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jellybean87
02-23-2010, 11:45 PM
Would you recommend my brother wearing his military uniform on formal night? We will be on one of the Med cruises and he is uncertain due to the demographic differences and us leaving from a foreign port compared to a Caribbean cruise.

Brooklyn
02-23-2010, 11:50 PM
Would you recommend my brother wearing his military uniform on formal night? We will be on one of the Med cruises and he is uncertain due to the demographic differences and us leaving from a foreign port compared to a Caribbean cruise.

Can't speak for the Med but in 2007 on the Transatlantic DH wore his uniform. He is planning on wearing his uniform this year on the Med cruise.

CoreyLe
02-24-2010, 12:01 AM
You might want to have him check with his unit. My DH is not allowed to wear his due to the job he is currently in and going to foreign countries

Each branch/unit/squadron has different rules on that so I would ask first!

HTH

HappyGrumpy
02-24-2010, 12:07 AM
Would you recommend my brother wearing his military uniform on formal night? We will be on one of the Med cruises and he is uncertain due to the demographic differences and us leaving from a foreign port compared to a Caribbean cruise.

I appreciate your sensitivity however I can't tell you how proud I feel when I see our men & women in uniform where ever I am but especially on the ship!

I would encourage him to wear it!

tripodjw
02-24-2010, 03:32 AM
I would see no problem wearing the uniform onboard the ship. The Med cruisers are still mostly going to be US citizens with a slightly higher proportion of Europeans.

I wouldn't recommend wearing it on the streets in any of the ports though.

Europeans in general are less patriotic (than Americans) and in some quarters there is outright hostility to armed forces. For whatever reason there are groups who disagree with Iraq and Afghanistan who think it is ok to blame the service personnel. We've had cases in the UK where troops are parading through their hometown (on return from active duty) and there are anti-war demonstrators who throw stuff at them. Attitudes are different in Europe.

Tunisia is a muslim country so US uniforms may not go down well there.

However, I wouldn't worry on board as it'll still mostly be Americans and everyone is there to enjoy themselves not cause trouble.

Wear it onboard I say.

orlandothebeagle
02-24-2010, 04:41 AM
Yes, I hope to see men in uniforms, they have so earned the right to look handsome (men and woman)
OP was asking about on formal night not around the cities when in port so yes, why not? go for it.

JJsmama
02-24-2010, 06:17 AM
I love to see people in uniforms and am so proud of our service men and women, (my father and brother both served) but as an American family living overseas (who are friends with MANY different nationalities and who were here during the Bush / Obama election, I can tell you that the whole world is not in love with the USA these days. There definitely is some Anti- American sentiment. Most people seem to blame Bush though, not our military personnel. I am not sure what to advise.

Rogillio
02-24-2010, 06:22 AM
He should wear it proudly. The uniform represents the peace and security Americans enjoy am I proud to see men and woman in uniform.

~Mike

bound2travel
02-24-2010, 06:26 AM
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We've had cases in the UK where troops are parading through their hometown (on return from active duty) and there are anti-war demonstrators who throw stuff at them. Attitudes are different in Europe.
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I am so sorry that this happens.

orlandothebeagle
02-24-2010, 07:08 AM
[QUOTE=tripodjw;35568870]
We've had cases in the UK where troops are parading through their hometown (on return from active duty) and there are anti-war demonstrators who throw stuff at them. Attitudes are different in Europe.
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I am so sorry that this happens.

Me too, its disgusting, shouldnt be allowed, but I suppose its called free speach.

everafter1
02-24-2010, 07:40 AM
Would you recommend my brother wearing his military uniform on formal night? We will be on one of the Med cruises and he is uncertain due to the demographic differences and us leaving from a foreign port compared to a Caribbean cruise.

My husband was wondering about this also for our Med cruise. He thought about bringing his mess dress (formal uniform) just for dinner on formal night or at Palo. He definitely wouldn't be wearing it off the ship or anything, but he wasn't sure if he should bring it for dinner.

tripodjw
02-24-2010, 08:25 AM
My husband was wondering about this also for our Med cruise. He thought about bringing his mess dress (formal uniform) just for dinner on formal night or at Palo. He definitely wouldn't be wearing it off the ship or anything, but he wasn't sure if he should bring it for dinner.


Bring it for dinner. As orlandothebeagle and I have said above, onboard should be absolutley fine. Your DH is right to be proud to serve and show off his uniform at formal dinner.

CoreyLe
02-24-2010, 09:19 AM
I love to see people in uniforms and am so proud of our service men and women, (my father and brother both served) but as an American family living overseas (who are friends with MANY different nationalities and who were here during the Bush / Obama election, I can tell you that the whole world is not in love with the USA these days. There definitely is some Anti- American sentiment. Most people seem to blame Bush though, not our military personnel. I am not sure what to advise.

Exactly.

While we all are very proud and love to see them in uniform most of the world does not feel the same way.

My DH is active duty Navy and I would love for him to wear his uniform but I understand and respect why he is not allowed to.

We all may think it is absolutely fine, and it very well may be, but it is really up to his command to decide. They are the ones that know the current climate, the current risks, and what might be a threat to him and his family.

thechief
02-24-2010, 09:20 AM
Here it is.
Yes it OK to wear on the ship. I do it myself.
Don't wear it off the ship. As a matter of fact service members are advised not to carry any military style backpacks in other countries. Advise is even given that military members should put their military ID in their checked luggage. It is all about not becoming a target.

NancyIL
02-24-2010, 09:31 AM
I love to see people in uniforms and am so proud of our service men and women, (my father and brother both served) but as an American family living overseas (who are friends with MANY different nationalities and who were here during the Bush / Obama election, I can tell you that the whole world is not in love with the USA these days. There definitely is some Anti- American sentiment. Most people seem to blame Bush though, not our military personnel. I am not sure what to advise.

I am proud to be an American, and I liked Bush! I don't care what people in Europe think about my country's government, just as I'm sure they don't care what I think about their socialist governments. However, for the safety of US servicemen and women - I agree about keeping a low profile when you're on foreign turf.

Anjelica
02-24-2010, 09:40 AM
Yes - as long as its fine with his command and he obviously doesn't leave the ship with his uniform, etc. I definetly agree with those that say the hostility towards American service members is definetly there abroad.

Sheesh, even before recent times I remember traveling in Europe as a Navy dependent and my father putting his military id in his shoes.

And please thank your brother for his military service!!! I sincerely appreciate all those in the military.

Anjelica
02-24-2010, 09:41 AM
I am proud to be an American, and I liked Bush! I don't care what people in Europe think about my country's government, just as I'm sure they don't care what I think about their socialist governments. However, for the safety of US servicemen and women - I agree about keeping a low profile when you're on foreign turf.

Well said...:)

Rogillio
02-24-2010, 09:55 AM
I am proud to be an American, and I liked Bush! I don't care what people in Europe think about my country's government, just as I'm sure they don't care what I think about their socialist governments. However, for the safety of US servicemen and women - I agree about keeping a low profile when you're on foreign turf.


Agree 100%. Well said.

RE the low profile...this is good advice for everyone traveling abroad not just servicemen and woman.

The best advice I have for those traveling abroad is "blend". When you leave the ship, leave your expensive watch in the room safe and wear a cheap Casio watch....and try not to "look" too much like a tourist. Yeah, I know it's hard.

orlandothebeagle
02-24-2010, 10:17 AM
I am proud to be an American, and I liked Bush! I don't care what people in Europe think about my country's government, just as I'm sure they don't care what I think about their socialist governments. However, for the safety of US servicemen and women - I agree about keeping a low profile when you're on foreign turf.

Please dont put " people in europe " under one umberella:confused:

I would also be proud to be American ( if I was that is:goodvibes)

ColoradoDisneyFreaks
02-24-2010, 10:20 AM
I will walk right up to your husband in uniform and shake his hand. He has earned the right to wear his uniform on the ship.

DisneyCruiser83
02-24-2010, 10:42 AM
The OP is not talking about her brother walking around Europe in his uniform, but on formal night on the ship. Not everyone agrees politically even on the Bahamas or Caribbean cruises. I would feel no differently with someone wearing it to dinner on a Med cruise than a Western or 4-night. OP, as long as your brother clears his plans through the appropriate channels, I would whole heartedly support his wearing his uniform on formal night. And please be sure to thank him for his service on my behalf. :flower3:

NancyIL
02-24-2010, 11:10 AM
Please dont put " people in europe " under one umberella:confused:

I would also be proud to be American ( if I was that is:goodvibes)

I imagine you are a proud Scot! I loved my visit to Scotland in September, and I'm looking forward to a return visit this summer.

Poppins2000
02-24-2010, 11:22 AM
My husband is retired Navy and I'm a Navy vet and former tech rep/embassy brat who has lived in Germany and Israel as a child and two years in Italy while in the Navy. I'm not sure times have changed much. It has been my experience that the older Europeans love the American military, the younger ones, not soo much.

When I left for Italy in 1985, I was told NOT to wear my uniform when I traveled and to NOT carry anything on my body that identified me as a member of the US military. When I arrived at my duty station in Italy, the driveway to my command was spray painted "Death to All Americans." When the US bombed Libya, there was soo much protesting, we were told not to wear our uniforms and men were asked not to shave or cut their hair for a month.

My husband has toured many, many ports in the Med - some people are very friendly with american military personnel, some would just spit in his face.

Please understand we are PROUD Navy vets, proud to have served our country and we wore our uniform with great pride.

However, you are going to be on a cruise ship in Europe, with Americans and Europeans on board. If it were me, and this is just my humble opinion, I would wear NOT wear my uniform for dinner on the ship or do anything to attract attention to me and my family members. I know it sounds horrible, for as a service person, you should be able to wear your uniform with PRIDE anywhere in the world. I just want you to be safe and again, I'm just speaking from my previous experiences...

Brooklyn
02-24-2010, 12:29 PM
I am proud to be an American, and I liked Bush! I don't care what people in Europe think about my country's government, just as I'm sure they don't care what I think about their socialist governments. However, for the safety of US servicemen and women - I agree about keeping a low profile when you're on foreign turf.

Amen

orlandothebeagle
02-24-2010, 12:39 PM
I imagine you are a proud Scot! I loved my visit to Scotland in September, and I'm looking forward to a return visit this summer.

mostly :)

tigger137
02-24-2010, 02:20 PM
However, you are going to be on a cruise ship in Europe, with Americans and Europeans on board. If it were me, and this is just my humble opinion, I would wear NOT wear my uniform for dinner on the ship or do anything to attract attention to me and my family members. I know it sounds horrible, for as a service person, you should be able to wear your uniform with PRIDE anywhere in the world. I just want you to be safe and again, I'm just speaking from my previous experiences...

As a (reluctant) European who happens to be ex-Royal Air Force, I find this disconcerting. Especially the inference that to wear military uniform on board may not be safe.

The Disney ships, wherever they may be in the world, generally have a mix of nationalities aboard - not least amongst their crew. I cannot imagine anyone who chooses to cruise with DCL taking issue with any fellow passenger who chooses to wear their uniform at dinner. I certainly cannot see that to do so would be in any way unsafe. And I don't see that the geographic location of the ship makes any difference, not when we're talking about uniform being worn onboard rather than ashore.

In the extremely unlikely event of anyone causing trouble, I'm sure that some of the DCL security people - and I'm thinking particularly of the smaller chaps from Nepal ;) - would swiftly deal with the situation.

If I, and my DH, were still serving, we would both wear our uniforms with pride.

tigger137
02-24-2010, 02:23 PM
Please dont put " people in europe " under one umberella:confused:

Hear, hear!

tigger137
02-24-2010, 02:32 PM
When I arrived at my duty station in Italy, the driveway to my command was spray painted "Death to All Americans." When the US bombed Libya, there was soo much protesting, we were told not to wear our uniforms and men were asked not to shave or cut their hair for a month.

There are idiots across the world, and you and I have both served in order to allow them the freedom to be idiots! Just because this was painted in one place in Italy, it doesn't mean all Italians are anti-American. Italy is, after all, a fellow member of NATO - one of the 28 members in fact, of which only 2 are your side of the Atlantic and many more are European.

I certainly understand about being told not to wear your uniform.
But I suspect that you were never told not to wear it in your own country, unlike those of us in the UK military who served during the many years of the IRA campaign. :sad2:

orlandothebeagle
02-24-2010, 02:50 PM
As a (reluctant) European who happens to be ex-Royal Air Force, I find this disconcerting. Especially the inference that to wear military uniform on board may not be safe.

The Disney ships, wherever they may be in the world, generally have a mix of nationalities aboard - not least amongst their crew. I cannot imagine anyone who chooses to cruise with DCL taking issue with any fellow passenger who chooses to wear their uniform at dinner. I certainly cannot see that to do so would be in any way unsafe. And I don't see that the geographic location of the ship makes any difference, not when we're talking about uniform being worn onboard rather than ashore.

In the extremely unlikely event of anyone causing trouble, I'm sure that some of the DCL security people - and I'm thinking particularly of the smaller chaps from Nepal ;) - would swiftly deal with the situation.

If I, and my DH, were still serving, we would both wear our uniforms with pride.

yes, and so you should, thanks for the serivce:)

everafter1
02-24-2010, 03:25 PM
Bring it for dinner. As orlandothebeagle and I have said above, onboard should be absolutley fine. Your DH is right to be proud to serve and show off his uniform at formal dinner.

Thanks :goodvibes It would definitely be just for dinner onboard. He travels to Europe a lot, so he doesn't wear his uniform off base (unless he is supposed to for something) and he always makes sure he is dressed appropriately for the country he's in at the time.

thechief
02-24-2010, 04:04 PM
poopins2000 come on now. I have worn my Dress Blue Uniform on every cruise including DCL and others on formal night. There is no issue with that drawing undue attention or trouble. Remember that was 1985, 25 years ago. I have been in for 36 years and have seen both extremes with how some react. But the VAST majority are appreciative of the uniform.

CoreyLe
02-24-2010, 04:48 PM
But the fact is, regardless of what anyone here thinks, really only his Command can say yes or no. None of us can tell him what is the right choice.

Most Commands will probably say it is fine but there are some that will say no. My DHs Command is one of them. My best friends Command did not have a problem with it.

thechief
02-24-2010, 04:59 PM
In my earlier post was basically the word from DOD about wear of the uniform and being inconspicuous while traveling overseas. A particular command can make a recommendation.

CoreyLe
02-24-2010, 06:07 PM
In my earlier post was basically the word from DOD about wear of the uniform and being inconspicuous while traveling overseas. A particular command can make a recommendation.

And if your Command says not to are you really going to wear it anyway?

Pluto,
02-24-2010, 06:48 PM
yes wear it on formal night. semper fi

thechief
02-24-2010, 07:14 PM
Let me put it this way. DOD writes the regs and recommendations. A regional command may make their own decision based on the ThreatCon for that area. AT the presnt time the ThreatCon for the Magic is Low.

CoreyLe
02-24-2010, 07:22 PM
Let me put it this way. DOD writes the regs and recommendations. A regional command may make their own decision based on the ThreatCon for that area. AT the presnt time the ThreatCon for the Magic is Low.

My father is retired Army and my DH has been in the Navy for 17 years now so I do understand how it all works ;)

At the present time the ThreatCon may be low but my DHs Command still advised him not to wear his uniform. So clearly someone high up there doesnt think it is a good idea

You didn't answer my original question...And if your Command says not to are you really going to wear it anyway? Really?

thechief
02-24-2010, 07:45 PM
I follow my BTN/BDE regs. Yes. Happy?
There is no need to over react.

Sleepyluke
02-24-2010, 08:14 PM
We will not be on the Med cruise, and as said before clear the channels, but he has earned the right to stand proud and have me harass him before or after dinner and try to shake his hand. Thanks for the service and your families sacrifices as it is more than just the one in uniform.

barbarasc
02-24-2010, 09:50 PM
We will not be on the Med cruise, and as said before clear the channels, but he has earned the right to stand proud and have me harass him before or after dinner and try to shake his hand. Thanks for the service and your families sacrifices as it is more than just the one in uniform.

AMEN and GOD BLESS AMERICA!!!

We have been on over 30 cruises and we always see men and women wearing their "dress" uniforms on formal nights. I have to say that I LOVE a man in a uniform and I am MORE than PROUD to say that I always find my way over to them to offer a heart felt Thank You and a round of drinks.

Wear it and wear it Proud!!! :lovestruc:lovestruc:lovestruc

jellybean87
02-24-2010, 10:24 PM
Thanks for all the replies. He has no intentions of wearing his uniform outside of the ship and is still hesitant to wear it on the ship for formal night. I will forward this thread to him and he can decide for himself on what he would like to do. Thanks again!

Brooklyn
02-24-2010, 11:39 PM
Call me crazy but if it was not for the US Military in WWII, DCL would NOT be stopping in Italy. Our brave men and women who fought changed the world as we know it today. Unfortunatly many in this world have forgotten was the world was like not so many years ago.

orlandothebeagle
02-25-2010, 03:40 AM
Call me crazy but if it was not for the US Military in WWII, DCL would NOT be stopping in Italy. Our brave men and women who fought changed the world as we know it today. Unfortunatly many in this world have forgotten was the world was like not so many years ago.

Well heres one who hasnt forgot what the USA done for freedom in 2nd world war.

orlandothebeagle
02-25-2010, 03:40 AM
And aslo, after 2 cruises I seen no uniforms, come girls and boys get them packed.....:goodvibes

Poppins2000
02-25-2010, 06:16 AM
poopins2000 come on now. I have worn my Dress Blue Uniform on every cruise including DCL and others on formal night. There is no issue with that drawing undue attention or trouble. Remember that was 1985, 25 years ago. I have been in for 36 years and have seen both extremes with how some react. But the VAST majority are appreciative of the uniform.

Chief, yes it was 25 years ago and I agree that the majority are appreciative of the uniform but it only takes one to upset the apple cart.

Example:- Our 7 night DCL cruise to Totola last May took place over Memorial Day. On Memorial Day, we attended one of the comedy shows in Rockin Bar D before dinner. There were about four serviceman in their dress uniforms attending the show. In honor of the day, the comedian (who could also sing and quite well!) closed the show by singing Lee Greenwood's, "God Bless the USA". While 98% of us stood up and sang along, the other 2% got EXTREMELY angry, and left the show. As we left the show, our group saw a young army soldier ,and his visibly upset wife, talking to another older couple. We overheard the soldier say that one of the men who left the show during the song came up to him and told him that he was sick and tired of having America shoved down his throat. I don't know if something else was said or what else took place but his wife was clearly upset. Granted, this could have happened to anyone of us but my guess the soldier was targeted because he was in uniform - nuff said!

oldshovelhead
02-25-2010, 06:48 AM
He should wear it proudly. The uniform represents the peace and security Americans enjoy am I proud to see men and woman in uniform.

~Mike

Ditto!!! (from an ex-military man):cool2:

Brooklyn
02-25-2010, 08:32 AM
Chief, yes it was 25 years ago and I agree that the majority are appreciative of the uniform but it only takes one to upset the apple cart.

Example:- Our 7 night DCL cruise to Totola last May took place over Memorial Day. On Memorial Day, we attended one of the comedy shows in Rockin Bar D before dinner. There were about four serviceman in their dress uniforms attending the show. In honor of the day, the comedian (who could also sing and quite well!) closed the show by singing Lee Greenwood's, "God Bless the USA". While 98% of us stood up and sang along, the other 2% got EXTREMELY angry, and left the show. As we left the show, our group saw a young army soldier ,and his visibly upset wife, talking to another older couple. We overheard the soldier say that one of the men who left the show during the song came up to him and told him that he was sick and tired of having America shoved down his throat. I don't know if something else was said or what else took place but his wife was clearly upset. Granted, this could have happened to anyone of us but my guess the soldier was targeted because he was in uniform - nuff said!

I see people at sporting event not stand and I don't care. I actually feel sorry for them that they can't show respect for ths coutry.

Every morning I drive my daughter to school and I pass a house who proudly has been hanging the Canadian flag on their house. Should I be angry at them? Should I tell them they should take it down because it offends me?

People ignorance should not stop others for being proud. If we forget what this country has always stood for then we will fail.

If someone came up to me and said that I would have said "Well then good thing you walked out, Have a nice evening."

For people who believe everything they see on the news then they don't know what they are talking about.

Again, I challenge them to get out a history book and read what the US did for Italy and how many of our service men and women died saving them.

Thank you to all those who serve! You truly are amazing men and women. Thank you for scarificing so much to ensure that we have the freedoms we have.

The funny thing is that most military members could probably care less about what a bunch of people on a message board say about whether or they should wear their uniforms.

"If you can't stand behind our troops, stand in front of them, please!"

jilljill
02-25-2010, 08:43 AM
This thread is starting to take a turn for the worse and getting into a political discussion which is against DIS Guidelines. Please keep this thread on topic of wearing a dress uniform on a cruise, which has been answered.

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thechief
02-25-2010, 08:45 AM
So poopins2000 we should all bow to the whims and negativity of a few disgruntled people? I don't think so. If they don't like it, then it sounds like a personal problem. I don't have time for people with such an attitude.
Case closed.

mmouse37
02-25-2010, 08:53 AM
Again, keep this thread on topic or it will be closed. Thank you.

MJ

jilljill
02-25-2010, 09:42 AM
Thanks for all the replies. He has no intentions of wearing his uniform outside of the ship and is still hesitant to wear it on the ship for formal night. I will forward this thread to him and he can decide for himself on what he would like to do. Thanks again!

Since the OP has their question answered I'm closing this thread before it slides downhill.