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eliza61
01-31-2010, 08:51 PM
This question has been bouncing around with me for a while. A lot of us here on the budget board complain about folks walking around with "entitlement" issues but personally I always think it's a monster we created. :lmao:

I mentor 18-19 year old girls in the Philly/NJ area. These girls come from solid middle class average families. Let me tell you about the average girl

1) every last one of them has some type of designer bag (coach, louie, fendi)
2) every last one of them has the latest cell phone. I've met a number of their parents who then complain about $200 bills but when you suggest they cut the phone off, you always get the ridiculous excuse "they need it for emergencies". Honey, 200 bucks did not come from an emergency.
3) all of them spend weekends at the Jersey shore for recreation.
4) not one has a job
5) All or most routinely get nails done and don't get me started on proms and senior trips.
6) quite a few have credit cards.

Now if this is the average american teen, do we really expect them to morph into young adults who will "wait" to earn luxuries? Are we really shocked when they buy a $200K "starter" home?

I just don't understand why we are so shocked?

Minnie_me
01-31-2010, 08:59 PM
I'll second that. My 16-year old niece got a brand new Honda Accord for her birthday, and doesn't even have her permit yet! Or a job! :confused3 It was just handed to her.

She also has all of the designer things and cell phone you mention. She has absolutely no responsibility whatsoever.

mommyof2princesses
01-31-2010, 08:59 PM
I try and teach my girls about money. My oldest, who will be 15 next month, makes money babysitting and dog sitting. We do not pay for her clothes or other items she wants, she has to save up for it. And she does a great job. Has bought her own laptop, her own clothes, her own shoes, and lots of itune songs (nana and papa got her the ipod for her birthday). And she still has a nice savings account. I sometimes joke to her that I may need to borrow money! :lmao:

I know some people who are the same as we are, but know many more that aren't.

Sandi
01-31-2010, 09:41 PM
I think a lot of the "monsters" have been created by parents who aren't thinking straight or long term, but I do not believe these are the "average" teen in America. My DD15 is an only child who we could give everything, but we don't. DH and I grew up in middle class homes with parents who worked hard and gave us good work ethics and a sense of family. We're passing this on to our child. I feel sorry for the children who are handed everything. When the handouts stop, they are going to hurt.

Plannin'Shannon
01-31-2010, 10:02 PM
I think a lot of the "monsters" have been created by parents who aren't thinking straight or long term, but I do not believe these are the "average" teen in America. My DD15 is an only child who we could give everything, but we don't. DH and I grew up in middle class homes with parents who worked hard and gave us good work ethics and a sense of family. We're passing this on to our child. I feel sorry for the children who are handed everything. When the handouts stop, they are going to hurt.

I'm a 21-year-old only child, and I'm proud to say my parents raised me as you are raising your daughter. I've had a steady job since I was 16, and have earned everything I have. Unfortunately, I can only name one other person my age who had this same upbringing. Everyone else I know gets everything handed to them. It always makes me wonder how they will survive when Mommy and Daddy aren't around to pay for it all.

weewuvvdisney
01-31-2010, 10:15 PM
I couldn't imagine bringing up a dd with a sense of entitlement.

Sure, she has a cell phone. She takes public transportation to go to high school. Two buses or buses and subway. She turns her cell on when she leaves in the morning and turns it off when she it is school. Again, she turns it on while she in on her way home. Once she is home, it is off for good. If her friends want to call us they need to use our landline. Oh by the way, it is my cellphone that she is using and we have cancelled the texting of it cuz of her friends who started to text all the time.

She is 14 so doesn't work yet but does receive a $10.00 a week allowance. If she wants to buy her lunch at school or go for a hot chocolate after school, she uses her money. Also, out of her allowance - she puts a $1.00 away for Church, a $1.00 for savings and a $1.00 for her bank account. She hasn't asked us for movie money or such for quite a while. If she goes out with us, we pay. She is learning to save her money for the things that she wants.

We have a computer, she has a DS and ipod which were gifts. We don't have cable and we survive.

We do lots of free things as a family.

We don't have a car but we do travel on vacations - can't have everything.

Goofy'slady
01-31-2010, 10:16 PM
Our children are a reflection of who we are ourselves. I bet you any amount of money that those teens you're talking about live mirror images to that of their parents. Mom spends tons of time making weekly nail appointments and arrangements for the beach house on the 'Shore' on her expensive cell phone with the monthly bill of 200.00 then chances are her daughter(s) will expect and do the same. Only difference between the two are that mom/dad worked in order to get those things but even with that said do you always have to get the latest and the greatest every time the hit the shelves so to speak? If the answer is 'yes' then as our kids get older they will in turn do likewise.

My husband and I both work and bring home a fairly decent salary (or what we consider decent, lol) and we have no problem sharing some things with our kids, but those things never take the place of a life lesson. First, you want that Ipod? I don't have a problem in paying for half and you work and save for the other half to buy it whether it's saving b-day or holiday money or if you're old enough use your the wages from a summer job to pay for it. You're 17 and you want a car? it will be used and you'll work to pay for the gas, insurance and basic up keep. That expensive senior trip all your friends are going on that you HAVE to go on as well...well then you can pay for your prom yourself -we're not paying for both.

If you start teaching your kids at a young age about being responsible with money, working hard for it, knowing the value of a dollar and how to prepare for the unexpected then those building blocks will travel with them for life.

T.

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01-31-2010, 10:27 PM
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Kitzka
01-31-2010, 10:28 PM
Growing up I was given PLENTY by my parents. And I mean luxuries. I got a coach purse at 15, for my 16th birthday I got a diamond ring and for my 17th I got a 2 year old car. BUT I did not get an allowance and my parents did not pay for any of my extras such as clothes, going to movies with friends, trips to the mall etc. I babysat about 20 hours a week and used that money for clothing, fun etc. I had a 3.9 GPA, took AP classes, took classes at the local college (to earn college credit before i went to college at a fraction of the cost) and was a good kid. In addition to this when i turned 16 i also got a job where i worked another 15 hours a week.

So, i am sure my classmates and their parents viewed me as a spoiled 'entitled' teen when in actuality i was working very hard for my money and my parents only 'spoiled' me at my birthday and christmas.

MY DD is 11 and recieves a lot but she knows DH and I expect her to maintain her grades and to get a job when she is old enough.

I can't understand the folks who don't want their kids to work while they are 'young.' I learned how to balance my life, work, school, friends etc because at 16 i was babysitting, working partime, hanging out with my friends and going to school. But this was part of my life education. How was i to learn how to balance my marriage, raising a child, work, friends, volunteer work etc if i didnt start when I was 16 and had no real cares in the world?

Part of the problem too is that kids these days are exposed to so much more. when i was 11 i wasnt exposed to so much on tv or the radio telling me that if i didn;t have this or that then i wasn;t the best or wasnt the coolest.

lara

Aisling
01-31-2010, 10:31 PM
I married into a family with money [both inlaws are doctors] and my DH has a great job, whereas my mom and dad struggled financially until they achieved success later in life, so my kids got everything they wanted. What a mistake on my part. They are spoiled young adults now. But I'm in the process of retraining them about the value of a dollar. Totally my fault.

MrsPete
01-31-2010, 10:50 PM
1) every last one of them has some type of designer bag (coach, louie, fendi)
2) every last one of them has the latest cell phone. I've met a number of their parents who then complain about $200 bills but when you suggest they cut the phone off, you always get the ridiculous excuse "they need it for emergencies". Honey, 200 bucks did not come from an emergency.
3) all of them spend weekends at the Jersey shore for recreation.
4) not one has a job
5) All or most routinely get nails done and don't get me started on proms and senior trips.
6) quite a few have credit cards. I don't disagree with you in theory, but I see some differences in details here in the Carolinas:

Designer bags aren't all that big. Yes, maybe 1/3 of the girls have them, but it's not a must-have here.

Latest cell phone -- absolutely! This is the #1 thing my students care about.

For our kids, it's Myrtle Beach, and I'm amazed at how many are allowed to go with groups of friends. And I don't mean only the just-graduated seniors.

Most of my students (probably 2/3 of them) DO have jobs; however, it's a double-edged sword. They work 10-15 hours a week, and in my immediate area low-level jobs are plentiful and most jobs -- even fast food -- pay more than minimum wage. That's an awful lot of cash IF you live at home, have all your needs paid, and your own earnings are all just disposable income. I'm quite convinced that kids who are not required to save a portion of their income come away with an unintended message: They come away believing that they're "supporting themselves" and they have got adult life figured out. They figure that they're entitled not to listen to their parents, and some even minimize their need to continue with school (I remember one student telling me that he KNEW he was making as much money delivering pizzas as I make teaching school. completely failing to understand the importance of benefits and an increasing salary scale -- wonder how he's doing today, 5-6 years later?). They completely fail to recognize that they're really just paying their own movie tickets, meals out with friends, and clothes.

Prom dresses, credit cards . . . I agree -- don't get me started. I'd say my students spend more on hair than nails. And don't forget the gotta-have-a-tattoo the day I turn 18 (how else would people KNOW you'd turned 18?).

Also don't forget cars. Most of my daughter's friends seem to be GIVEN a car BEFORE they turn 16. They're not all new; in fact, it seems that most of the time the parents give the child their own 2-3 year old car, and they themselves get something new. I'd estimate that half my students are required to pay something towards their transportation costs, but it's a rare student who pays the whole cost.

The biggest car shock for me: When these kids wreck their cars -- an event that happens all too often when someone too young and inexperienced is allowed too much freedom -- their parents buy them another car right away! Our children are a reflection of who we are ourselves. I bet you any amount of money that those teens you're talking about live mirror images to that of their parents. Eh . . . most of the time. When I meet an "entitled" student's parents, it seems that 3/4 of them fit the bill you're describing -- a mom who's all about looks, name brands, etc. (Or a dad who drives a car that's beyond his income level and who enjoys lots of "toys". Being a mom of girls, I tend to think of girl-stuff first, but I've seen it go both ways.)

The other 1/4 of the entitled students seem to come from the "never had" parents who want to give their kids what they never had -- even if they have to beg, borrow, and steal to do it. Or the parents who figure they owe it to their kids to give them these few great teen years (so they can catch a husband) before they start slaving away in the mills. These parents come in to school wearing sweat pants or denim shorts, often looking old and weathered beyond their years, often in need of dental work -- but sitting right beside them is a cute little 15-year old with professional highlights in her hair and manicured nails. These kids are some of the most difficult in the school, figuring that they're "so much better" than their parents, and they must be "so much better" than everyone else too.


All in all, I agree with the OP's post -- too many kids are given too much and allowed to get away with accomplishing too little. Individually we can fight this trend in our own homes, but it's hard with society as a whole leaning this direction.

eliza61
02-01-2010, 06:32 AM
I got my wake up call a few summers ago. My 15 yo son has really bad asthma, one day 3 summers ago he suffered a severe attack, I mean a "in the hospital for days" episode. Well when he finally started to improve, I was sitting in his room and I mentioned that we were not going to disneyworld that August. We are dvc members and he was used to going ever year. Dh and I make it a point to remind them how fortunate they are to be able to do this, evidently that message did not sink in.

Anyway, the boy got a serious attitude "sucking teeth, rolling eyes, snippy tone" works. Now I'm thinking, here I was praying to every God known to man 2 days ago because I'm thinking I'm going to lose you and you've got the nerve to give me grief because you can't go to Disneyworld? :mad:

Time for the intervention. :goodvibes

MinnieForMe
02-01-2010, 06:57 AM
My 12 year old already knows how to CVS and roll catalina's. LOL.

My 4 year old is the cutest. She'll ask for something I'll say "no" and without missing a beat she'll say "it's not on sale?"

I'm also honest with them about where the money from the ATM comes from (no, it's not a magic money making box) and that we only charge what we can pay off at the end of the month.

kwhite1022
02-01-2010, 08:38 AM
I think a lot of the "monsters" have been created by parents who aren't thinking straight or long term, but I do not believe these are the "average" teen in America. My DD15 is an only child who we could give everything, but we don't. DH and I grew up in middle class homes with parents who worked hard and gave us good work ethics and a sense of family. We're passing this on to our child. I feel sorry for the children who are handed everything. When the handouts stop, they are going to hurt.

Thats cuz your a spartan....made of good stock ;)

JoiseyMom
02-01-2010, 09:45 AM
I see that attitude all the time. My DS at 17 (he is now 26), got my old car which was a 1990 geo prizm!! He bought himself a new car in 2007!! My other DS at 17 got my DH's grandfathers old car. When DS wrecked it he used the insurance money to buy another one, when that one was totalled he was SOL!! He used his own money 6 months later to buy himself a car. He also was on his own insurance.

Both my adult sons, cook, clean, sew, and iron!! My FDIL's friends all want to know where they can find one like him!! LOL.

My DD13 hates TAGS!! (what she calls designer anything). She would never wear uggs..but loves her fuggs!! Now she used to have a hugh wardrobe, but when she went shopping with me, she realized I always hit the clearance/sales racks first and if an item wasn't on sale, she didn't get it. She was taught that she had as much as she did, becuase I got them dirt cheap!!

DD8 has a harder time with it. When we book vacations, they understand that there is a chance we won't be able to go. We did cancel our cruise last summer..the budget just couldn't do it. They understood.

There were items they watned for the holidays and I told them that I wasn't paying 35.00 for a DS game for each of them. Now, they did wind up getting them, but I got them from Amazon for 19.99 each!! And I told them that. I explained that they got the games they did, becuase I got great deals on them.

My kids see me shopping sales all the time, and I explain to them. My older boys were taught to pay their credit cards in full every month. They got their first cards when they went to college. They have so far learned that lesson, and are fiscally responsible!

It's all what you teach them and show them!!

funkychunkymonkey
02-01-2010, 11:43 AM
My mom did good. I didnt have alot. I save for things and shop second hand stores. Heck, I needed a new bed but DIDNT go put it on a credit card, I started saving (then got a second hand one free!). Ive worked since 18.

DonnaBelle2005
02-01-2010, 12:20 PM
I am a little ashamed to admit I have VERY spoiled children. They are so use to saying " I wan that " and I buy it. It comes from me being poor as a child and not getting those things and always "WISHING" I had certain things....so I swore my kids wouldn't go without.

BIG MISTAKE ON MY PART! I am now "retraining my almost 8 & 10 year old and they do not like it. They are use to going shopping and coming home with new toys even though they did nothing to deserve them - Not anymore.

My twin sis and I worked full time the summers of our Junior and Senior year to save money to pay for our own clothes, school expenses that our parents couldn't afford, and to have money in the bank. We didn't even realize we were poor until we were adults...because we had what we needed and if we wanted something - we worked and paid for it with our own $.

Our senior year our parents gave us their old car - it was 1990 and the car was 1978 grandma type car. Guess what - we were a little embarrassed but we quickly got over it and loved having the freedom to drive to/from school and not ride the bus. They gave us $5-10 a week for gas and if we went over we paid for it ourselves. We paid for over 1/2 of our senior items and also used our Graduation $ for our Senior trip to Myrtle beach - which we could only afford to stay 5 nights instead of 6...and guess what -we lived. We also worked the last 6 wks of our Senior year to save additional $ for gas/etc. for our trip and to pay our own expenses.

I am now having to redirect my kids into knowing I cannot give them everything just because...........I realize they don't appreciate what we do for them - esp my almost 10 year old who is mouthy and thinks I "owe" him.

Anyway...I like this thread...thanks for letting me post/vent....I love my kids but am having to re-teach them to work for what they want or they simply will not get it.
Donna in Charlotte, NC

bebelle
02-01-2010, 12:51 PM
I think a lot of the "monsters" have been created by parents who aren't thinking straight or long term, but I do not believe these are the "average" teen in America. My DD15 is an only child who we could give everything, but we don't. DH and I grew up in middle class homes with parents who worked hard and gave us good work ethics and a sense of family. We're passing this on to our child. I feel sorry for the children who are handed everything. When the handouts stop, they are going to hurt.

Same for our family. We are big Dave Ramsey fans. We have raised our children to value people not things. When our 15 year old DS decided that he needed his own laptop, he started saving his money towards that goal. At times it meant he was missing out on a concert or an event with his friends but he was focused. We are very proud of how he was able to prioritize his wants vs needs. He showed maturity and self-control. It also made him realize that your life is a sum of the choices you make.

bebelle
02-01-2010, 12:55 PM
If anyone is interested, Dave Ramsey has a great curriculum on his website to teach kids about money management.

Grendalynn
02-01-2010, 01:22 PM
I had a conferance flier come across my desk last summer... It was called "How to cope with Generation Y - the generation of entitlement". This really stuck in my mind... I work in Education and see all walks of life. Many are the ones the OP lists...

The minute my sisters and I (5 of us all together) made it to 9th grade we had full time summer jobs, weekend jobs and babysitting. We bought 90% all of our school cloths. If we didnt work or save, we didnt have new cloths for fall. We grew up in a family business and worked most every weekend, all summer and vacation weeks. Sure, we got our allowances, took nice vacations and never went without. But I had many, many hand me downs, used skis and bikes, and never the newest or up to date anything. My sisters and I shared the family van and were responcible for the gas we used. We all hard chores on a daily basis. All my siblings paid for upwards of 75% of their college educations, and had full time jobs while in school, too.

Sure, I resented my parents a little, but I learned to appreaicate it all very quickly. Both DHs and my parents went through bankruptsy in the 80's. The last recession this country faced before now... All the things we took for granted were suddenly gone or cut way way back. I chose to put college off as I knew my parants couldnt afford the small amount they were already liable to pay for.

DH and I have 3 kids of our own. Yes, they have nice things and don't go without, but they certainly know the value of a dollar. DS10 works with his dad 3 or 4 days a week during the summer. Not hard, but he is there and puts his time in. He would probably disagree with this. ;) DH and I married young and started a family young. This was our choice and it wasn't easy. We look at each other some times and wonder "why us?" but we have come to the realization that had we never struggled, we wouldn't appreciate how far we've come and the thinsg we have now. I think it makes us better people... :idea:.


In closing, I am not sure there is a right or a wrong answer to this, but it is certainly an epidemic that is evident in America today. All I can do as a Mom and wife is to make sure my kids understand the value of a dollar, how hard it is to climb out of a hole of financial debt, the great feeling you get when you sav and work hard to accomplish something, and the good feeling you get for doing those things. This country was initially built on hard work, persevearance, sweat and tears. I can only hope I instill the same qualities that were instilled in me.

DCLbrideSept2009
02-01-2010, 01:23 PM
I didn't grow up with money. I baby-sat every chance I could when I was old enough and used that money for going out, clothes, etc. Got my first real job when I was 16. At one point was going to night school and working 2 jobs. Now I have an almost 16-yo dd who thinks we should buy her a car when she gets her DL cuz ALL of her friends' parents bought THEM cars. I told her I don't care if I was a millionaire, I'm not buying her a car. She can work and earn it the same way I did. Now, if she's LUCKY, DH will get a "new" (used) car and she can have USE OF the 11-yo Accord he's currently driving. I bought every car I ever had. My first car I bought FROM MY PARENTS (took over the remaining payments on a 1979 Monte Carlo - this was in 1986). We're now going through the Dave Ramsey FPU and I'm hoping to get her involved in it also and teach her how to budget and save (as well as the other kids). Unfortunately, that's something I still never really learned. :confused3

It is tough sometimes when I see how spoiled most of her friends are. My dd does have 2 pairs of Ugg boots - one pair she got for Christmas last year and one pair she bought with Christmas money. The only real "splurge" we've given her is she does have an iPhone (DH works for AT&T though) and a laptop - which she just got a few months ago and all of her friends have had their own computer for at least a few years.

Crystal824
02-01-2010, 01:51 PM
As someone who is about to have her first child, I enjoyed reading about how all of you are teaching your children about money. Although, my child isn't even here, it is something I have given alot of thought to.

I grew up relatively poor working and saving for the extras. I never went without the basics. My mom even got me a used car when I was 16, but with the understanding I would work and pay for gas and 1/2 insurance. I was already working at the time. I really think my mom was tired of carting me back and forth to work after school. I wanted a cell phone at 17. My mom signed the contract, but I paid for it. I never did miss a payment. My mom would give me a rather frugal limit for school clothes each fall from the time I could remember. When that was out, it was out. Except for birthday and Christmas gifts, I bought everything else for myself after turning about 14, which is when I got my first partime job. Prior to that, I babysat. Before I could work in some capacity, I just didn't really get alot of extras. I'm not complaining. I certainly had it better than alot of others. This has probably made me better with money.

My DH grew up the exact opposite. His parents aren't rich by any means, (they also aren't good with money; they spend alot more than they have). He got everything he wanted. All the coolest videogames, clothes, etc. He never worked until he finished law school and got his first job as an attorney.

My DH and I are very well-educated and have good jobs. While we can't give this child everything, we can certainly afford to give it more than probably either of our parents could give us.

I struggle with how we are going to handle money and this child, when it is older. I know I will want to give the child everything I was never able to have and wanted. At the same time, I really don't want the child to assume it is entiteld to everything. I want him/her to understand the value of a dollar and hard work. I see some entitlement issues in my husband, but I see it even more in his much younger brother. While my DH and I have discussed this issue, I think we may also end up with a difference of opinion.

Ms.Grumpy
02-01-2010, 02:47 PM
I see this now with my younger brother. He is 18 and has the world handed to him on a silver platter. I was 12 years old when he was born and I spoiled him from day one. I started working when I was 16 at a grocery store. I would give my checks to my parents and only keep $20 from each check. My parents bought me a new car when I graduated b/c I had won a full scholarship to college.
My brother has terrible grades, is lazy, yet he wears the designer clothes in the family. He has been to England, France, Switzerland, Germany, Sweden, and Amsterdam. He is going to Spain in a couple of months.
My mother spoils him to death and DH and I always wonder how he will become a responsible man when my mom never gives him the chance to become a financially responsible adult.:confused3

Took
02-01-2010, 02:55 PM
Count me as one who does not think most kids need jobs (at least, regular ones). I see far too many underprepared college students who "have a job at a fast food company X," and I see them often going nowhere with their lives, just for a mimimum-wage job that sucks the life out of them. Many never complete college.

I think many of the job-holders end up spending way too much of their money on "things" that they don't need rather than experiencing the world, volunteering, and really learning. I did not have a "regular" job until I was in college and, then, only in summers. I also did not have a lot of "things" that my friends had. If I really needed something, my parents bought it. When I asked for "extras," Mom usually said "You don't need that. Conversely, I could save from a small allowance (or occasional babysitting job) and looked for the item on sale.

I also shopped for food and household items with Mom who showed me how to pinch a penny, and I helped Mom balance the checkbook and pay bills (so I understood budgeting).

My parents not only pushed me to excel in school but to learn about the world around me--about politics, about other countries, about those less fortunate, about history. I used my free time for doing these things. My parents were firm that they did not want me to work while I was in school. I did not grow up with an entitlement mentality; instead, I learned I don't need lots of things. Yes, I have some luxuries, the biggest being money for travel. My folks said travel to learn and experience is one of the few things worth spending money on. That's exactly what we're teaching our daughter.

JamesMom
02-01-2010, 03:14 PM
I'm already teaching my DS7 a few things about finances. I am a stay at home mom and my hubby makes good money. We could get a house that is twice the value of the one we live in now, but we stay put. We have a few luxuries: cell phone (I have a 2 yr old model, while hubby talks on my 5 yr old one), HD cable for our 'big screen' 26" TV, moderately up to date computers and we just got a Wii for Christmas. I don't "do" handbags (if it can't fit in my pocket or wallet - I don't need it. If I need more room, that's what my backpack is for - free from SeaWorld trip :). I shop for my clothes exclusively on Kohls with a 30% off coupon. But I don't clip coupons for groceries - just shop at Walmart. Both of our paid for used cars cost less than the one my neighbor is thinking of buying.

My son saw a DS game in the scholastic book flyer he wanted. He balked at the $20 price tag knowing he go to GameStop and buy it for $10.
Also, he wanted a fishtank for his birthday. He had to keep his room clean for a month without me saying a word (I hinted occassionally) AND save his $5 weekly allowance towards the cost. He was rewarded with a $80 tank set up from his Nana and Grandpa because he waited. He still has to keep his room clean though...
I make a point when we are out shopping to compare prices and look for items on sale like when we go to Kolhs - see these jearns are normally $30, but they are on sale for $15 and I have a coupon for 30% of so they are now $10 - we can buy them.

Hopefully little lessons like that will stick. I already know that when my sons are too cool for Kohls I'll tell them to 'get a job'

deerhart
02-01-2010, 03:15 PM
In the realm of tings, I was a spoiled child by parents, but with a twist.

I rarely asked for things, mostly because I had grown up knowing we had a budget and most things didn't fit. I didn't wear designer clothes etc, but I did attend sports camps and played sports religiously for years. When your parents are spending $1000-$1500 each summer on sports camp and another $300-$500 over the course of the rest of the year on equipment, league fees etc... well its all about choices!

For me, turning 16 = parents provided a car. More or less because my mom demanded it (she was tired of driving me back and forth to practices, pick up from the bus etc). Also, my dad tended to give me my choice whenever they had decided to buy me something (hence why I ended up with a waterbed instead of a new mattress set :rolleyes1 )

Now I have kids, and they have heard enough no, its not worth the money, or its not in our budget and it translate to the kids as we can't afford ANYTHING :confused3

So now its the retraining from we are poor (which we aren't) to the value of objects and the need of objects versus wants. It doesn't help when Daddy has a decent size toy budget either :rolleyes:

littlbugmom
02-01-2010, 03:18 PM
This is a subject I discuss with my sister all the time. Her dd is almost 16yrs. She's a sweet girl who has been taught that the things she wants should be handed to her. It's sad, imo.


She does not work, not even to babysit. My sister earns a modest salary yet doesn't have a problem buying my niece the newest cell phone out there. Unlimited texting, of course. Niece only shops at high end stores for her clothes, bags and shoes....designer. She has a weekly mani for her unbelievably long fake nails. Her hair is also done every other week. My sister pays for all of this and ALSO gives niece a weekly allowance. She gets $30 every Monday to use during the week and an additional $20 every Friday to be used for things like movies and mall trips with her friends.

She doesn't have a savings account but then again, her mother doesn't either! My sister doesn't put anything aside in the way of emerg savings, college or retirement! She doesn't believe she can afford to. :confused3

Mrs. Bradbury
02-01-2010, 04:49 PM
This strikes a nerve with me, because it is so hard to live within our means raising children, but we've mostly done it. After my divorce I bought a house that I knew I could afford for less than the appraised value. It is definitely not grand, and less than 1700 sq. ft., but it does have 2 bathrooms, so I'm fine with it. I love my little house. My daughter has been mortified that she lives there. Her friends all have better circumstances that as a grownup I can see why their standards of living are so much better in my daughter's eyes - 2 or more sets of indulgent grandparents (we have none), living off credit (we pay cash), starting up businesses for the SBA loans (that first year is GREAT), being serial bankruptcy filers, etc.

Over the weekend my daughter told me that she just found out that the reason one of her close friends moved out of a gated community and into a regular house almost 2 years ago was because it was foreclosed on. I suspected that, but hoped because it had been built a spec house that perhaps it finally sold. The same friend's mother sold her expensive car to buy her kids Christmas presents this past year. It was a real shock to my daughter. And through all of this, her friend never shared what was going on (and still is) with her friends. It's sad.

schoen
02-01-2010, 04:56 PM
I think there is very much a happy medium that can be attained. For instance, My brother and sister both had part time jobs in high school. Neither of them were involved in sports or after school activities. They both consequently, bought their own cars and clothes.

I was the youngest, and I didn't have time in high school for a part time job. I was busy with sports and after school activities. There were days that I would have three different sport practices in one night. I also had to study. So, I didn't get a job until halfway through my senior year in high school. My parents placed a certain value on those experiences. While I was talented at the activities and sports, it was clear I wasn't going to pay for school with them.

I had certain limitations though. I didn't have a car, I couldn't wear whatever I wanted, my mom picked out, or at least had veto power on my clothing options. I did work part time in the summers, because I had to pay for half of all of my summer camps. I went to a seven week institute for debate.

So, while I wasn't learning the value of a dollar at that time, I was learning other valuable lessons that have suited me well in life. My parents didn't pay for college, and I learned the money lesson in college. I was probably a little entitled, but my parents never really over indulged me.

My brother and sister were always happy to remind me of how lucky I was, and that taught me a lot too. I just think that there are a lot of ways to approach money with kids. I certainly never hurt for anything, but I hope I didn't come across as a spoiled brat.

deerhart
02-01-2010, 06:00 PM
I was the youngest, and I didn't have time in high school for a part time job. I was busy with sports and after school activities. There were days that I would have three different sport practices in one night. I also had to study. So, I didn't get a job until halfway through my senior year in high school. My parents placed a certain value on those experiences. While I was talented at the activities and sports, it was clear I wasn't going to pay for school with them.



This is why my parents did not require me to work in high school. Most jobs in my small town did not want to work around sports schedules. I did have one my senior year and for most of the school year I worked Saturdays and Sundays only. I had always worked in the summer (usually part time for my godfather working some of his fields for a few weeks), but camps made it difficult.

If I had more homework, I would never had a job because school came first, then my activities, then a part time job. I did work all through college (but it was much easier to schedule that then it was in high school).

princessmom29
02-01-2010, 06:19 PM
I was another child who did not work until the summer before college, and only worked summers until I graduated. I had a car at 16, but it was a 1982 corolla(In 1996), and I saved half of the $800 it cost by babysitting. My parents gave me gas money so they didn't have to cart me around to everything. I had some kind of practice every day after school between academic teams and color guard for the marching band. I took every AP course offered and left high school with a year of college credit and a full ride scholarship. I worked summers to save gas money and money for incedentals thoughout the year. I took the maximum number of hours covered under my scholarship (20) every semester to maximize the use of it. I had parents who were married at 16 and had worked hard to get by for a long time. They couldn't afford to pay for colege so I knew I HAD to get a scholarship or I was going to have to go a semester and work a semester to be able to finish. We did not have money for designer anything, and when I was small we were often a paycheck away from going hungry. It got better as I got older and Dad climbed the ladder at work, but there was never enough for "extras". I am trying to teach DD6 about the value of a dollar, but it is hard to balance that with wanting her to have the things I never had. I really have to work hard to make her work for things she wants, and set realistic limits.

design_mom
02-01-2010, 06:34 PM
I mentor 18-19 year old girls in the Philly/NJ area. These girls come from solid middle class average families. Let me tell you about the average girl
6) quite a few have credit cards.


I agree with you about most things. When I was in high school though, my parents co-signed for a credit card application for me, "to build my credit" they said. It had a very low limit (maybe $250). I think that was one of the smartest things they did.

I got to see how credit cards work while I was still at home and couldn't get myself into *too* much trouble with the low limit. I was a responsible kid and never maxed it out, but my mom sat with me and showed me what my payment would be *next month* if I only paid the minimum this month.

By the time I got to college, I walked right past those tables where they were offering the free gifts for signing up for credit cards. Many of my friends snapped cards up left and right. And some of them ended up in serious financial straights because of it.

I do not think kids should be handed everything, but a credit card in high school (along with some parental teaching) can go a long way toward a financially responsible young adult.

indimom
02-01-2010, 06:37 PM
I do not think kids should be handed everything, but a credit card in high school (along with some parental teaching) can go a long way toward a financially responsible young adult.

You hit the nail on the head. It all comes back to this...

clarabelle
02-01-2010, 07:59 PM
I want my DDs to have really safe cars -not clunkers.
I expect to buy them a car because of this.

Vivianne
02-01-2010, 08:21 PM
As a "childless" adult...who's paid for EVERYTHING they have owned, etc. you have my admiration for starting this thread.

MrsPete
02-01-2010, 08:36 PM
I agree with you about most things. When I was in high school though, my parents co-signed for a credit card application for me, "to build my credit" they said. It had a very low limit (maybe $250). I think that was one of the smartest things they did.

I got to see how credit cards work while I was still at home and couldn't get myself into *too* much trouble with the low limit. I was a responsible kid and never maxed it out, but my mom sat with me and showed me what my payment would be *next month* if I only paid the minimum this month.

By the time I got to college, I walked right past those tables where they were offering the free gifts for signing up for credit cards. Many of my friends snapped cards up left and right. And some of them ended up in serious financial straights because of it.

I do not think kids should be handed everything, but a credit card in high school (along with some parental teaching) can go a long way toward a financially responsible young adult.This is one of the things that my mom did right for me too. When I was in high school, credit cards weren't common -- even among adults -- so she didn't teach me about those, but she did take me down to the bank the summer before I started my senior year, and she helped me get my first checking account. Every month my senior year, she made me sit at the table and balance that checking account against my statement. When I went away to college, I had a firm understanding of checking and I never got myself into trouble.

Today things are a little different, so this is my plan for my daughter:

This summer (she's about to turn 16, and this'll be the summer before her high school junior year) I plan to get her a checking account. She plans to get a first job this summer, so the timing works out well. She'll have a year to learn to manage JUST the checking account.

Next summer (when she's 17 and about to be a senior in high school) I'm going to help her get a low-low-low limit credit card. She'll have her senior year to master using it and paying the bill.