China 2010

[2GirlsMama]

Hi Everyone,
It seems like there are lots of people going to China this year. I thought I would start this thread in hopes that everyone travelling to China will post. Maybe we will be able to share ideas and experiences in one thread.

We are going on the July 4th tour! This will be our fourth trip to China. We are very excited and eager to "talk" about our adventure!

[Q's My Princess]

We are on the May 30th China trip and cannot wait!!! How many more days??? Too many!:wizard:

[It's always cold]

We are booked July 18, 2010, this is our first ABD trip and we are learning a lot from this board, thanks everyone for your tips and sharing your experiences.

[SteveInCA]

We're going on the June 13th China trip. We can't wait either!

This is our second ABD trip -- we did Rome and the Costa Bella two years ago.

[DVCGirl49]

We are booked for the August 15th Enchanted China trip. Thank you to all that have posted about their adventures on this trip, it sounds truely amazing and we can't wait to go!!

[It's always cold]

Just an observation, all of us one this site going to China this summer are going on different dates. But it is nice we can all share tips on trip planning!!:thumbsup2

[2GirlsMama]

It is funny that you posted your observation because my husband and I were also talking about that! I guess ABD will be busy in China this summer.

Sitting here in cold and snowy Ohio makes me dream of summer and vacation! I know from being in China last summer that it will definitely be hot there!

[disneyphx]

Not to ruin a trend, but we are on the July 4 trip too! Our daughter will only be 5 - hope she is up to it.

[It's always cold]

That brings up an interesting question, is everyone taking kids with them and what are their ages. We are taking my daughter, who will turn 14 on the trip and my son who just turned 10 we have traveled many times but never a flight longer than 6 hours.

[2GirlsMama]

We are taking our daughters. They will be 10 and 8. (They both have end of the summer birthdays.) The 12 hour flight isn't a great treat, but the adventure at the end will be worth it! Last time I got them each a new DS game and they also watched the movies on the plane. They were able to sleep on the plane. I am going to try to bring more snacks for in the room and on the plane. The airplane food was declared to be "yucky" by both my girls.

Getting over jetlag in China wasn't difficult because we were so excited. However the jetlag once we got home kicked our hineys.

I am glad to have this group to discuss our trip! :cool1:

[Q's My Princess]

Our daughter will be 9 years old...very exciting!

[2GirlsMama]

So, why did everyone chose China for their adventure?

[Q's My Princess]

We chose China because our DD is studying Mandarin and a visit to China helps reinforce her language skills, plus it is somewhere Mommy & Daddy have never visited! :wizard:

[It's always cold]

I have been wanting to do an ABD for the last 3 - 4 years, but my husband didn't want to as we are DVC owners and he wanted to get the full value of Disneyworld while our kids were younger.

So we decided finally this was the year and really thought we would do London/Paris (our kids are in french immersion) so we ordered the video and watched it as a family and everyone seemed more interested in China (also almost double the vacation time but not double the price).

This trip seems to have something for everyone and I am sure it will not disappoint.

[2GirlsMama]

This will be our fourth trip to China. It is such a fascinating and beautiful place. It is really interesting to see how China has changed since our first trip in 2000.

I am so impressed with your focus on teaching your children other languages. My oldest daughter and I tried attending Chinese language school, but we weren't very successful! I think the problem was only going once a week. Immersion is the only way to learn.

[surfpark]

Sounds like a lot of fun. Best wishes and safe travels for everyone visiting China. :goodvibes

[smep013]

Wow - this is a popular trip. My husband and I are part of the July 4 trip and are so looking forward to it!!!

[2GirlsMama]

Hooray! Thanks for posting! I am looking forward to getting to know you before our adventure begins.

We are really looking forward to July 4!

[JJsmama]

We've beenl living in China for 3.5 years. I am very interested to hear what you all think of it after your trips. Let me know if I can help in any way.

[2GirlsMama]

How interesting to live in Shanghai. Why did you move to China? What do you like most about Shanghai?

We have been to China three times, but haven't been to Shanghai. The closest we got was to Hefei in Anhui. (Not very close, I know...)

Thanks for offering to share what you are experiencing. I am very interested in learning from you.

[Q's My Princess]

We've beenl living in China for 3.5 years. I am very interested to hear what you all think of it after your trips. Let me know if I can help in any way.

JJsmama,

Thanks for your post! I know I speak for our entire group when I say we would love to hear more about Shanghai from your perspective and any advice for what we should do during our free time in Shanghai or any other Chinese city you are familiar with.

[JJsmama]

First of all, Xin Nian Kuai Le! (Happy New Year) from Shanghai. We woke this morning to a blanket of snow after all the fireworks last night. Snow is unusual here in Shanghai, so it is neat that it happened on New Years Day.

Anyway, we moved to China for my husband's job. He oversees financial operations for Asia-Pacific region for his multinational company. We originally agreed to 3 years here and have recently extended another three years. I cannot claim to be an expert on China, since a lot about this country is still something of a mystery to me, but I do have great understanding of a foreigner's experience in China.

My experience will not really be like yours though since coming here for a visit and trying to settle and create a normal life here for a family are very different issues. We have settled in now and enjoy living here but it definitely has its challenges and it took years to begin to feel at home here. Foreigners who do not look Asian in appearance still attract a LOT of attention. We have three blond sons. The chinese are fascinated with their blond hair and fair appearance, but also the concept of having three sons is akin to the Impossible Dream here, so we tend to attract a lot of curious followers when we are in areas where the people don't see many foreign faces. There have been times, especially after our third son was born, when we traveled surrounded by a mob and felt like Angelina and Brad.... Those of you bringing blond children may want to prepare them for that. It can be quite scary.

I don't want to tell you too much of my thoughts and impressions here since I would like you to have your own first impressions upon arrival instead. Kind of like not wanting to tell someone everything about a great ride before they get on it...

I'll be glad to answer any questions though. I think since this trip is with Disney, you will be somewhat insulated and perhaps not see the real china bathrooms, etc.:scared1: Haha.

[JJsmama]

How interesting to live in Shanghai. Why did you move to China? What do you like most about Shanghai?

We have been to China three times, but haven't been to Shanghai. The closest we got was to Hefei in Anhui. (Not very close, I know...)


What you saw in Anhui was much more the 'real China' than Shanghai. Culturally a place like that will be more interesting than Shanghai. Beijing is also more interesting. Shanghai is trying to make itself into a modern business city. Most of the traditional beautiful Chinese architecture building have been removed in Shanghai though to make room for modern buildings. It is kind of sad since from a glance, it can look just like Chicago or another place. It is an exciting place to be though and an exciting time to be here since China is really changing itself so quickly.

[2GirlsMama]

The rapidly changing face of China was the most shocking part between our trips. We were there in July 2000 and then again in July 2002 and the changes we saw especially regarding buildings and capitalism were amazing. Then we didn't return until July 2009 and were blown away by the "progress".

I completely agree about the Chinese reaction to blonde hair. I have "blonde" hair and people wanted to take pictures with me and wanted to touch my hair. At first I thought it was kind of fun, but that faded quickly.

I am also amazed at the way that if they are interested in something (like my hair) that they just openly stare or violate your personal space. Oh, we were also amazed at how at a breakfast buffet many Chinese will just push you out of the way to get what they want. One morning last summer my youngest daughter was trying to get food from the breakfast bar and someone just took it away from her. Oh, and the pushy way they tried to get us to buy things was overwhelming at times.

Things we loved included little kids saying "What is your American name?" and practicing speaking English with us. We love the pride many people had in explaining things to us or showing us art work. Oh, one man we talked to was really interested in talking to our daughters about what it is like to have a sister. He always wanted a sibling, and couldn't have one. I really like getting off the plane and walking into a completely different world. Everything looks different, smells different, sounds different and it completely overwhelms your senses and allows you to have completely new experiences.

Thanks for sharing about Shanghai. I am so glad you joined our discussion.

[It's always cold]

We just received our confirmation package and filled out all the paperwork. :cool1: Did anybody order the recommended reading material. I ordered it today, we don't live anywhere near a bookstore so this seemed like the easiest route.

[Q's My Princess]

We picked up as many books from the list as we could from our local library. Will continue to read as our trip gets closer.:cool1:

[lbsl18]

Hi- Our family is also going on the august 15th trip to China. We went on the Bella Italia tour last summer. I would highly recommend that trip and would be happy to give any specifics if anyone is planning that one.

[DVCGirl49]

Hi- Our family is also going on the august 15th trip to China. We went on the Bella Italia tour last summer. I would highly recommend that trip and would be happy to give any specifics if anyone is planning that one.

Hi lbsl18! DH and I will be on the Aug 15th trip too. :thumbsup2

[It's always cold]

We are currently debating whether to stay an extra day in Hong Kong and do some touring on our own, is anyone else doing this or if you have already done the trip, have you done this?

Any hotel recommendations, we would like to be closer to the action (I would think waterfront), don't really want to stay in Disney Hotel the extra night.

We need to decide soon because I have not booked our flights for our trip yet and really need to get that done!!! (probably the last major detail of the trip to do, other than pay for it LOL)

[SteveInCA]

We're staying a couple of extra nights in Hong Kong at the end of our tour in June. We stayed with the Disneyland hotel.

[RSM]

We are currently debating whether to stay an extra day in Hong Kong and do some touring on our own, is anyone else doing this or if you have already done the trip, have you done this?

Any hotel recommendations, we would like to be closer to the action (I would think waterfront), don't really want to stay in Disney Hotel the extra night.

We need to decide soon because I have not booked our flights for our trip yet and really need to get that done!!! (probably the last major detail of the trip to do, other than pay for it LOL)


I typically go to Asia 4 times a year and have stayed in Hong Kong several times. If you want to stay on the water, I would recommend either the Renaissance or the Intercontinental. Both are in Kowloon and provide great access to the Avenue of the Stars and great views of HK island and the nightly laser show. Although the rooms are smaller when compared to a room in the US, most rooms in HK are. Both hotels are reasonably priced. Feel free to ask any questions about HK.

[dvdbestonline]

I like China

How do you think the Qipao?


If you want it, you can send a email to me

[disneyphx]

We are staying an extra night in HK. Decided not to mess with moving hotels, keep the airport transfer etc.
We are going to do the HK tour on the last 'tour' day and spend our extra day at HK Disneyland.

[It's always cold]

Well I booked our flights this morning:banana:quite happy I got what I wanted and used points so it didn't cost me a thing. We decided to spend an extra day in Hong Kong, I think we are going to stay the Disney Hotel, instead of moving and just go out and tour for the day on our own, not sure if ABD will still provide a transfer to the airport if we do that but I will find out.

[sayhello]

Well I booked our flights this morning:banana:quite happy I got what I wanted and used points so it didn't cost me a thing. We decided to spend an extra day in Hong Kong, I think we are going to stay the Disney Hotel, instead of moving and just go out and tour for the day on our own, not sure if ABD will still provide a transfer to the airport if we do that but I will find out.Are you booking the extra day at the Disney Hotel through ABD? If you are, then they will provide you a transfer to the airport.

Congrats on getting the flights you wanted, and for points, yet! That's fabulous!

Sayhello

[It's always cold]

I have a question for any past China visitors. I read in one of the ABD recommended books that China is a very conservative dress country, including no bare feet, even in sandals. Is this still the case? Socks and sandals:eek: Also exactly how conservative dress do they mean. We would probably be wearing longer shorts and t-shirts or tank tops for touring, is that acceptable?

[WeLoveABD]

We didn't have any issues with this--sandals would be fine, shorts, t-shirts etc.

[campbyers]

Our ABD tour guide Dusty said he might be with the China tour in 2010. He is amazing. I hope you all have him as your guide- it will be fantastic!

[Q's My Princess]

Our ABD tour guide Dusty said he might be with the China tour in 2010. He is amazing. I hope you all have him as your guide- it will be fantastic!

campbyers,
Was Dusty your guide for China last year?

[WeLoveABD]

Dusty and Daisy were our guides in China in June 2008--great guides!

[JLoane]

I finally went ahead and booked our flights yesterday for the July 4th trip, and while on the phone, I asked about the number of people booked so far. As of yesterday, there were 35 people booked with quite a few kids!

Regards,

Jen

[SteveInCA]

On Wednesday, the ABD rep told me that our trip (June 13th) was 80% booked, with several kids aged 6-14. Looks like our trip will be a go...yay!

[2GirlsMama]

I just learned something really exciting about our tour. The World Fair will be in Shanghai from May 31 to October 2010. My husband thinks we will have enough free time while in Shanghai to visit! Our daughters also want to visit the Barbie store in Shanghai.

I am really getting excited!

[sayhello]

I just learned something really exciting about our tour. The World Fair will be in Shanghai from May 31 to October 2010. My husband thinks we will have enough free time while in Shanghai to visit! Our daughters also want to visit the Barbie store in Shanghai.

I am really getting excited!That *IS* very exciting! I saw the Worlds' Fair when it was in Vancouver in 1986, and it was really amazing. To see it in Shanghai sounds wonderful!

Barbie store??? :eek:

Sayhello

[Q's My Princess]

Barbie store??? :eek:

Sayhello

I was wondering the same thing! :lovestruc

[2GirlsMama]

Apparently there is a huge pink Barbie store in Shanghai. She is very popular there and they have a store with dolls, clothes, a restaurant, and a spa. We had big plans to visit there before our trip was interrupted last year. Our ABD guide, Daisy, said it is really spectacular.

http://www.barbieshanghai.com/en/index.html

Our daughters are girly-girls and I think they would love it.

[disneyphx]

Oh my gosh 2GirlsMama - if my daughter hears where you are going we will have to join you!
I want to do the Expo - my cousin was in Shanghai last year and said the preparations were amazing - so much so that he is returning to see it this year!

[2GirlsMama]

That would be great, Disneyphx! The more the merrier! Daisy said it is very easy to get to the Barbie store. My oldest DD will probably act too cool, but the youngest DD will love every minute!

[Lynn G]

We are looking at doing the China trip in 2011, so I am interested in what your thoughts are after you get back. As there do not seem to be any "adults only" trips anymore (we did the adults only trip to Peru last year that was great), I would like your ideas as to what time of the year is better to visit.


We are staying an extra night in HK. Decided not to mess with moving hotels, keep the airport transfer etc.
We are going to do the HK tour on the last 'tour' day and spend our extra day at HK Disneyland.

This was also our idea, was it easy to add thru ABD? We added a day prior to our trip to Peru, and it was great to have a day to decompress before the tour started.

I will be following this thread to see what all your impressions are.

[carouselkr]

We are also booked for China July 4! So glad to hear of others on that trip. I am traveling w/ my daughter age 25 (but she loves kids!) who decided that she had reached "a quarter century" and it was time to see the world. She invited me instead of going w/ people her own age b/c "mom, you will want to do the silly things that I do, like seeing pandas and HK Disney"!! Looking forward to meeting those of you on our trip.

[carouselkr]

We are also planning to go to the Expo in Shanghai. Daughter's company will have some installations there (she works in "interactive digital media"). ABD tells me that we are on our own for getting tix, transportation, etc for the Expo so we will likely purchase tix before we go. It would be great to have others to travel with to go there. It is supposed to be amazing!

[Q's My Princess]

I am surprised the ABD is not including the World Expo on our trip...curious.
Guess I need to check out how to buy tickets in advance! Maybe I won't tell DD about Barbie store and instead visit the World Expo.

[Q's My Princess]

We are looking at doing the China trip in 2011, so I am interested in what your thoughts are after you get back. As there do not seem to be any "adults only" trips anymore (we did the adults only trip to Peru last year that was great), I would like your ideas as to what time of the year is better to visit.


Hi Lynn!
So excited to hear you might be doing this trip next year!
Regarding the best time of year...we booked the May departure to try and beat the heat a little. But, from what everyone keeps telling me, it will still be a scorcher.

[It's always cold]

Called my travel agent today to pay off balance (paying a few days early) but since we are from Canada our dollar is doing really well with the US dollar, and we wanted to take advantage of the exchange rate while it is really good.

Our travel agent also found out for us that our trip (July 18) is 92% booked with a lot of kids on the trip ranging in age from 6 - 17 including our two, so that will be great.

Just wondering where are all those people, have they not heard of the disboards yet:rolleyes: LOL!!

[Lynn G]

Hi Lynn!
So excited to hear you might be doing this trip next year!
Regarding the best time of year...we booked the May departure to try and beat the heat a little. But, from what everyone keeps telling me, it will still be a scorcher.

It looked to me like it was always raining! We will probably book early spring or early fall (if there are trips then) because we usually prefer "off season".

[2GirlsMama]

We have been to China three times. Each time we visited in July and each time it was hotter than hot! I like warm weather, but the rest of my family was melting! It's like the song: "Hot, Hot, Hot"!

[JLoane]

Given the hot temperatures and likely rainy conditions, what are you bringing to wear in the rain? I'm debating whether to bring simple, inexpensive ponchos or invest in better rain gear--gortex, etc.

Also, my doctor recently suggested Hep A vaccines. Anybody else getting those?

[It's always cold]

Our family has had Hep A shots previously, due to other travel, so we are covered on that, wondering the same thing as you are about the rain jackets, inexpensive poncho or something more substantial?

I already bought some walking sandals that are supposed to dry very quickly, by husband wants to wear socks and runners, but if they get wet I don't think that they will be very comfortable.

[Q's My Princess]

Received our travel documents, luggage tags and ABD backpacks! So excited!:cool1::cool1:

[2GirlsMama]

Congratulations! That is really exciting. I can't wait to hear about your trip!

[SteveInCA]

We are also planning to go to the Expo in Shanghai. Daughter's company will have some installations there (she works in "interactive digital media"). ABD tells me that we are on our own for getting tix, transportation, etc for the Expo so we will likely purchase tix before we go. It would be great to have others to travel with to go there. It is supposed to be amazing!

Please tell us what you find out. We're planning on going to the Expo when we're there on the late June tour.

(Wish someone else going on that tour was on these boards...)

[Q's My Princess]

We are also planning to go to the Expo in Shanghai. Daughter's company will have some installations there (she works in "interactive digital media"). ABD tells me that we are on our own for getting tix, transportation, etc for the Expo so we will likely purchase tix before we go. It would be great to have others to travel with to go there. It is supposed to be amazing!

In our documents for our May 30th trip...ABD mentions the Expo on Day 9, stating the following: "*If you are visiting Shanghai between May 1 and October 31, 2010, you may wish to visit the Shanghai World Expo event during your stay on your own time. Please see your Adventure Guides for more information."

It is also mentioned on Day 10, "Shanghai A La Carte" We have the morning and afternoon free.

I guess that means we can visit both the expo and the Barbie store! ;)

[Toronto Traveller]

Is anyone going on the August 15th trip to China? We are going with our two boys ages 7 and 10 and would like to meet anyone else going in advance. Thanks.

[2GirlsMama]

I am enjoying a peaceful afternoon and spending some time dreaming of our trip. Two weeks of not having to go to work, going on a fantastic adventure with my family and meeting new friends...I CAN'T WAIT!!

Has anyone been reading any good books about China? I really like to read. Most of the things I read about China are travel books. Anyone know some good novels?

[disneyphx]

I just read a mystery set in Shanghai: Death of a Red Heroine by Qiu Xiaolong. Quite enjoyed it.
I have read some non-fiction a while ago: Life and Death in Shanghai by Nien Cheng and Wild Swans: Three Daughters of China by Jung Chang. Really liked both of them.
I also just read 'Undress me in the Temple of Heaven' which is a travel memoir. Interesting to see how different China is now from the mid 1980s.

[marcemch]

I am enjoying a peaceful afternoon and spending some time dreaming of our trip. Two weeks of not having to go to work, going on a fantastic adventure with my family and meeting new friends...I CAN'T WAIT!!

Has anyone been reading any good books about China? I really like to read. Most of the things I read about China are travel books. Anyone know some good novels?

I enjoy reading about China - maybe someday I can take enough time off work to enjoy traveling there! Some of my favorites: ANYTHING by Amy Tan (some are set in China, some in the US), "Snow Flower and the Secret Fan" - Lisa See (she also has another book that I haven't read), "The Good Earth" - Pearl Buck, "Spring Moon" & "Legacies, A Chinese Mosaic" by Bette Bao Lord. Happy reading!

[Jessica14]

I'm so excited for everyone! We have been to China twice, both times for adoptions so one day we would like to do a "pleasure" trip instead of "business!" We spent some time in Beijing and then to the South in Hefei, Anhui (as someone said, the "real" China!) and then with my son, all the way to the North Korean border in Shenyang, Lioning Province(also real-a Wal-Mart and KFC being the highlights!). Then for both kids all the way south near Hong Kong to Guangzhou.

Yes, the Chinese have no sense of personal space and are beyond curious about non-Asians. We had the experience of a whole busload of people rushing out of their seats and staring at the windows at us because we were standing there with two little Chinese kids. Quite the experience!

My daughter was four when we went back for my son. She had a great time and got lots of attention. We had horrible jetlag the second time because she slept all the way over on the plane and then was totally off and wouldn't let us sleep. Try to get as much sleep as possible the first few hours you are there and you'll be fine. That's what we did the first time and we were OK.

Have a great trip! I'll be looking forward to hearing what you have to say and any pictures!
Jessica

[It's always cold]

The other book by Lisa See is Shanghia Girls, I just finished it and could barely put it down, I am going to read the Secret Fan next.

[Pakey]

The other book by Lisa See is Shanghia Girls, I just finished it and could barely put it down, I am going to read the Secret Fan next.


Actually, Peony in Love is another one by Lisa See and by far my favorite of the 3 books.

[2GirlsMama]

Hooray! Thanks for all the reading suggestions. I am going to start with Lisa See!

[wem3212]

We are booked July 18, 2010, this is our first ABD trip and we are learning a lot from this board, thanks everyone for your tips and sharing your experiences.Hi. We are also going on the July 18th, 2010 China trip. We are a family of 4 -mom,dad and 11 year old girl and 13 year old boy. This is our third ABD trip-did Germany (Once Upon a Fairytale) and Paris and Provence. Had great times and guides on both. Just got the packets to start visa process. Looks a little cumbersome. Looking forward to meeting.

[It's always cold]

Nice to finally connect with someone on our trip. We are also a family of 4, mom, dad, son 10 and daughter 13 turning 14 on the trip. I just sent my Visa applications away today, I think the process is a little different for us, we live in Canada, but all we had to do was get a passport photo fill out a form (was not to bad) and send that with our passports to the our travel agent and they do the rest. Hopefully I did everything right!!

Are you guys going early or staying longer. We are going one day early and staying one extra day in Hong Kong.

[wem3212]

We are not able to come early or stay longer because of work. I know the time change will be a big adjustment. We've done it before to South Africa and to Australia last summer. The kids do better than the adults! We have to get pictures for our visas and then I can mail them back. This will be the first country we've been to where none of us speak a word of the language and it is a little intimidating. We're trying to learn a few basic phrases. Starting to get excited. I think the kids will be more enthusiastic when school ends in 6 weeks! I love reading the discussion pages and will be waiting to hear what the May 30th group has to say.

[Q's My Princess]

I love reading the discussion pages and will be waiting to hear what the May 30th group has to say.
We are getting VERY excited...and I promise we will have much to report!

[It's always cold]

I have a question for anyone who has done this trip previously or for those who go before me, is there a chance to use laundry facilities at any of the hotels?

[SteveInCA]

I have a question for anyone who has done this trip previously or for those who go before me, is there a chance to use laundry facilities at any of the hotels?

If you're staying there for a couple of nights, I'm sure all of the hotels you (and we :)) will be staying at will offer laundry services. You'll pay through the nose, though.

[monydave]

We actually used the laundry in the hotel in Shanghai last year, and yes it was a little pricey. But I also know that the guides were willing to direct us to some local laundries where we could get the clothes done for a lot cheaper.

[DVCGirl49]

Is anyone going on the August 15th trip to China? We are going with our two boys ages 7 and 10 and would like to meet anyone else going in advance. Thanks.

DH and myself will be on the Aug 15th trip, and I believe there is 1 other family who's checked in here that is also on the same date. Glad to hear of more folks joining the trip!

[carouselkr]

I wanted to post a good site for information on traveling to/in China for all. About.com has lots of great links and articles, including travel w/ children.

I will highlight this one for all of you to read. I cannot post the link here, but I highly recommend searching the site for "squat toilet china" to get some useful info. :scared1:

The articles on what to pack, especially medications (over the counter stuff) should also be helpful.

Looking forward to "meeting" others who will be on the July 4 tour.

Kathy Rubin
Final payment - done!
Visa application - done!
Packing - mentally working on it!

[2GirlsMama]

Hi Kathy! Thanks for sharing a great website. It sounds like you are very organized. Making the last payment opens you up to relaxing and dreaming of the trip! The visa from our last trip to China just expired yesterday, so now we can apply for the one for this trip. We are going to do that this week.

So, as you dream of the trip, what part are you really excited about? For me it is the pandas. (I have already told our children that I will probably embarrass them by crying! I think it is an amazing opportunity to see them up close.) My husband is looking forward to Guilin, we have never been to that part of China. Our youngest DD is just up for any adventure, any time! You probably won't believe this, but our oldest DD is still talking about the great broccolli from the last trip. She says Chinese broccolli tastes better than Ohio broccolli.:rotfl:

[carouselkr]

Since I volunteer with Operation Smile for medical missions, I have had a lot of foreign travel experience and experience in coping with LONG flights. I have put together a list of suggestions that are too long to post here, but that I would be happy to send to anyone who wants it (just drop me a note - my email is carouselkr at aol). Also, I would suggest everyone look at the CDC.gov website and search the topic travelers diarrhea for some excellent info.

I have been twice to China in the past, and mostly I am looking forward to sharing this trip with my DD (age 25). She is really excited about a trip that includes seeing and hopefully, holding, baby pandas. Her first trip to WDW was in the womb so she has Disney in her blood! We are both really looking forward to Hong Kong Disney as our first visit to a Disney park outside of the US (we plan to visit them all eventually!). We are also really excited about the 2010 Shanghai Expo World's Fair as my DD's field is Interactive Digital Media (future imagineer someday) and will likely forgo the Disney activities in Shanghai to attend the Expo, even though it will be my birthday (7/11) while we are there.

My recent cruise on the Disney Magic (14-day transatlantic crossing) has gotten me very excited to experience the Disney "magic" :wizard: on this ABD tour!

I cannot wait to meet the rest of those going on the July 4 trip!! If you are going on any other trip, I am still happy to send along my suggestion list.

I really have to learn how to make up a "signature" for this site!! Meanwhile...

Kathy R in FL
First visit to WDW in 1979 (annual passholder for many years)
DVC members since the first year (August 1992):OKW, SSR and BLT
First visit to DL and DCA in 2007
First Disney cruise in 2008 on Wonder; 2010 transatlantic on Magic
First ABD July 4 2010 China

[trianne]

Greetings ! We, too, are also going on the July 18th, 2010 China trip. We are a family of 3 -mom,dad and 13 year old boy. Been on Dis cruises 6 0r 7 times...love those boats! This is our second ABD trip-did Austria/Prague (now discontinued) But have done several Tauck & A&K tours (similar to Dis!) to Australia, Canada, Yellowstone, Italy... LOVE escorted tours!! Had great times and awesome guides on all. The guides and the great people MAKE THE TOURS. We have NOT gotten are visa packets, but got the forms off China.gov site ....indeed very cumbersome. YES, get Hep A shots. Looking forward to meeting all. :cheer2:

[2GirlsMama]

My DH just completed our visa paperwork so it will be ready to mail tomorrow! Hooray!

There are so many great activities on this trip it is difficult to choose just one! But I am stuck on the pandas!

We were just looking at pictures from our last trip. We got to stay in the Peninsula in Beijing. It is beautiful. It has a fantastic location.

[Q's My Princess]

Finally took care of the visas last Friday...The SF Chinese Consulate was PACKED!

Now we are done and ready to go (relatively speaking)! only 23 more days before we fly out!

[Q's My Princess]

The World Expo opened this weekend in Shanghai. Apparently it was hot, humid and very crowded!

[monydave]

2GirlsMama,
Tell your hubby that the Guilin portion is amazing. The cruise was probably one of the most beautiful places I've ever seen and the hotel is amazing as well. And after the first week, you will truly appreciate the slower pace of these couple of days. And if he's feeling very adventurous, have him try the snake wine!

[2GirlsMama]

Thanks, monydave! He is curious (and I am, too) what is snake wine? He is very adventurous, so I am sure that is in his future! My oldest DD is an artist, and I think she will really enjoy drawing some of the sites in Guilin.

[monydave]

The snake wine was on the cruise ship as we went through the gumdrop mountains. The large jug contained wine with dead vipers in it and as our local guide told us, it makes a man virile if he drinks it. There were 4 of us who were brave enough to try it and we all lived to tell about it. Plus it made for some great pictures!

[2GirlsMama]

Man! You weren't kidding when you said "adventurous"! I told him about it and he didn't seem convinced that he would try snake wine! I think the peer pressure will probably get him to give it a chance... I'm thinking the vipers floating in the bottle will make for a REALLY good story once we return home!

[2GirlsMama]

Monydave, I forgot to ask you if Brian and Daisy were your ABD China guides. They were our guides and we absolutely loved them.

[monydave]

We had Brian and Juan(sp?) as our guides and loved them. And yes, the pictures, video and story behind the snake wine are something to talk about when you get home. And don't even get me started on the ear cleaning at the Face Changing opera in Chengdu. As Brian told us, we were the most adventurous group he had taken on that trip. And tell your husband the snake wine tastes just like doing a shot of tequilla.

[Q's My Princess]

I am curious if anyone is getting any immunizations before heading to China. My doctor's travel office recommended Thyphoid and the H1N1.

[Jeanbean]

As well as following the CDC guidelines, remember to strictly follow food safety on your trip to China. Never eat anything that hasn't been peeled or cooked. They may look good but don't eat those strawberries on the breakfast buffet!

We traveled back to China in April 2009 with 12 families, taking our tween-aged daughters back to China for them to see the country of their birth. By drinking only bottled water, boiling water in the tea kettle in the room to brush your teeth, and following "peel or cook" rules, we kept all of the girls healthy.

The group went in various directions in China to visit their orphanage cities, but we made sure to end our trip in Hong Kong, staying at Disneyland. We had a blast being in the park and visiting Hong Kong sites. Have a great trip with Disney!

[Q's My Princess]

Thanks for the answer!

We are so looking forward to this trip!!

[carouselkr]

Yippee!! got my visa so I am ready to go! (well, almost ready)...:goodvibes

The CDC website has up-to-date info for recommendations for immunizations for travel. You can also find a "Travel Clinic" in your area that will help you decide what you need.

Kathy R in FL
ABD first trip - China July 4 2010 :woohoo:
gotta figure out that signature thingy LOL
lots of trips to WDW - next one planned: June 2010
planning 3rd trip to DLR and DCA May 2010 (nope, I never stay home)

[carouselkr]

Oh, BTW - the company recommended by ABC (see their FAQs) was great for getting my visa - less than 1 week turnaround!

Kathy R in FL

[2GirlsMama]

We used that service for our Visas, too. BUT we made a mistake. We checked and triple checked our paperwork. Then DH decided to make copies of everything Then he took it to the post office. We got a call from the visa service saying they didn't get our youngest daughter's passport. We completely freaked out. Then he remembered he had copied everything. There was her passport still in the printer where he made the copy. He went back to Fed EX and now we should be okay.

It was kind of funny because we had to include school calendar to prove the girls would not be missing any school for our trip...in July!

[Q's My Princess]

who wanted the school calendar?

[2GirlsMama]

The Visa service. We included a copy with the information we sent them.

[abnrob]

We are going on the July 4th tour too! We have two kids, a 13 year-old girl and a 10 year-old boy. We are debating about the expo....I am not sure where it is compared to where we will be...and how to get there, etc!

[Q's My Princess]

We are debating about the expo....I am not sure where it is compared to where we will be...and how to get there, etc!

In the travel documents we received from ABD they state "Please see your adventure guide for more information regarding a visit to the Expo." I am sure they will help you arrange a taxi to the Expo.

Or I can let you know how we traveled from the hotel to the expo after we return from our trip....just a few more weeks!

[abnrob]

That would be GREAT! Also, if you have any tips when you get back! I would love to hear them! I have heard that it is fun to have a tailor make you an outfit at the silk market in Beijing, (we are going a day early)....but I am wondering if this is worthwhile! I hope you have a great trip!

[carouselkr]

In case anyone missed this, the Theme Park Insider April 2010 archive has an article on the Shanghai Expo as well as a link to the expo site. Is anyone else planning on going to the Expo? We are quite excited about it!

Kathy R in FL
ABD China 7/4/10
Next trip to DLR/DCA 5/23-28/2010
Next trip to WDW 6/23-27

[Q's My Princess]

Update for anyone flying American Airlines out of Chicago O'hare...flight times have been changed...be sure and double check your flights for any changes!

Our outbound flight changed from departing at 11:25am to 9:30pm (with an arrival into Beijing at 11:59pm) (ugh!)

[2GirlsMama]

Thanks for the reminder about checking the flights. We are on United out of Chicago O'Hare. DH checked today and said they typically are running a few hours late for departure because of plane maintance.

I have never thought of having an outfit made in Beijing. That sounds really interesting. Last year both of our daughters got a "make-over" in Beijing. They went to China with long hair and came home with really cute short haircuts. Youngest DD is thinking of getting another Chinese make-over this year, but oldest DD says the massage they give you hurts too much!

Did anyone watch the AMAZING RACE? We were thrilled they spent so much time in Shanghai. (Although all four of us were rooting for the cowboys! We just love them: "oh my gravy".:rotfl:

Sorry for so many random thoughts in one message!:)

[2GirlsMama]

Oh, I forgot..we definitely want to go to the Shanghai Expo (World's Fair). DH just got a copy of the Beijing magazine with a huge article about the Expo. He also watches that Chinese channel (available through Dish Network), it seems like they have almost constant coverage of the Expo.

I am getting so excited for the trip. I went to Target today to start purchasing supplies. (Chinese chocolate doesn't taste good to us. If you have a chocolate addiction -my youngest DD - bring your own!)

Another random thought: Does anyone know if Bonine (Spelling?) or Dramamine (spelling?) works better? Our daughter has a problem with motion sickness on long flights. I have heard that Bonine might be better because it doesn't cause so much drowsiness.

[disneyphx]

We love the Amazing Race and it was fun to see Shanghai. Wish the cowboys won though!
I am thinking of snacks to take - am a little worried that our 5 year old will live on granola bars and goldfish......she eats a wide range, but dairy products and steak are not likely to be too common right?!

[2GirlsMama]

Our girls are big milk drinkers, but last year they said the milk in China tasted awful and they refused to drink it. They are planning on going without milk in China! If she likes to eat veggies she will be very happy. Our daughters both like veggies and rice so they are happy with the meals. There are always kid friendly options. (My kids are weird, they prefer adult selections! My oldest daughter would happily eat broccoli for every meal.)

We will definitely bring some M&Ms and gum. I haven't thought about other snacks yet....

[Q's My Princess]

Oh, I loved the cowboys on "The Amazing Race"!! They were the BEST!!

Curious...where did the girls get their Beijing makeover?? DD may just want to do that...she keeps commenting about cutting her hair!

[2GirlsMama]

It was the Babe Salon very near the Penninsula. We just took a very short walk. They didn't speak any English, and we don't speak any Chinese, but we worked it out really well. My mom said that was the best she has ever seen my youngest daughters hair look! It was short and sassy. They do some type of massage, and both girls said it wasn't relaxing, it was painful. It was on their head, neck and shoulders. It was very fun. I took before and after pictures. I have to admit, I'm not brave enough to get a make over from someone I can't converse with, but both girls thought it was fun.

[figmentfan2009]

Our girls are big milk drinkers, but last year they said the milk in China tasted awful and they refused to drink it. They are planning on going without milk in China!

They are right... it is awful!
Only thing that I can think was worse was the nasty yogurt in a cool crock jar that is served at... outside temperature and is liquid... :confused3

[Q's My Princess]

9 more days before we leave for China...can hardly believe it!

Spoke to AbD and there are 31 people on our trip. (20 adults and 11 kids)

Not sure if that is a low number or average.

[figmentfan2009]

It's not low... we had like... 21 or 24 in ours. 31 will be a good group

[Toronto Traveller]

Hi- Our family is also going on the august 15th trip to China. We went on the Bella Italia tour last summer. I would highly recommend that trip and would be happy to give any specifics if anyone is planning that one.
Hi lbsl18,

Glad to hear there is another family going on the August 15th China tour. How old are your kids? Boys or Girls? We have 2 boys ages 7 and 10. We live in Toronto. Where are you from? Look forward to meeting in China!

[disneyphx]

Our daughter is a huge milk drinker. She didn't like the milk when we went to Italy a couple of years ago and managed without milk for ten days. She likes adult things like steak. To date the only rice she eats is 'cheesy rice' like rice-a-roni! I want to take her to dim sum soon to try some things.
I think someone already asked about this - are people getting any 'shots' in preparation?

[figmentfan2009]

Talk to your doctor. Get the pukey medicine for tummy yukkies and the antibiotics for similar (phenegrin and... something, can't remember). Doctor was best to let us know what to take medicine/shot wise. Let them know whee you are going, they will let you know what you might want to take and what you don't need to take.

We got Hepititis A shots for the China trip because we knew we probably weren't going to be only eating where the crowds were and no one wanted to catch anything from places like the Night Market (which is TOTALLY awesome and would highly recommend it as a stop in Beijing if only to look at the people and the food... bubble tea isn't bad... DS ate all kinds of bugs).

We had a couple of more finicky eaters on that trip and they bent over backward to make sure everyone had something they liked.

OH... and beware of the first dinner in Chengdu. They like it on the spicy side... DS also ate duck face and fish face and spicy tofu... some of the food even made him (he who likes spicy and eats anything) make faces a couple time.

[Q's My Princess]

are people getting any 'shots' in preparation?
Our doctor had me review our travel plans with Kaiser's "travel nurse", who then reviewed the CDC's recommendations and our immunization history. DH & I were due for our 2nd Hep A shot after our trip to Guatemala a couple of years ago. DD and I are taking a "live" Thyphoid pill and I needed to have my H1N1.

She also prescribed Cipro for DH & I and a similar drug for DD (in case of traveler's diarrhea).

Hope this helps!

[2GirlsMama]

We got our box from ABD today. HOORAY! :cool1:

On the packing list: Pretzel M&Ms seriously yummy....

[2GirlsMama]

Thanks for the book recommendation. I just finished Lisa See's "Shanghai Girls". The descriptions are wonderful. The story was intense. I read that she wrote some mysteries, so I plan on trying one of those next...

I think the first China trip of the season starts on Sunday, May 30. I hope you all have a wonderful flight and a fantastic ADVENTURE! I can't wait to hear about your trip.

[It's always cold]

I have now also read Peony in Love (I think that was what it was called) and Snow Flower and the Secret Fan, I think that was my favourite out of the three.

For those leaving very soon, have a great trip and don't forget about us back here waiting here all about your vacation.

Also does anyone know off hand the packing restrictions, I think the packing thread has got me thinking about this, I believe there is a suitcase size restriction and also weight? We are very heavy packers and this trip is going to require a lot of thought and planning in this regard :goodvibes

[It's always cold]

Just wanted to share the book I am currently reading, it is called, Chinese Lessons by John Pomfret, this book is about John Pomfret going to University in China in the 1980's and meeting Chinese people and learning about them growing up in China in the late 60's.

I am only on Chapter 4, but it is all very interesting and I am learning a lot about China's history through the eyes of the people who lived there.

I actually found this book in the clearance section of Chapters and only paid $5 for it! Well worth it!!

[2GirlsMama]

That sounds like an interesting book. I think I am going to read the Secret Fan next.

I am getting really interested in the Shanghai Expo. I keep googling it and looking at pictures. It will really be a once in a lifetime experience.

[It's always cold]

We are also interested in going to the Expo, but your trip is right before ours, so I will not be able to hear your experience before we go, so anyone who goes to Expo in the next month or so please provide any tips and let us know how it was!

[kennythepirate]

Less than 3 days until we depart for China!!!

[2GirlsMama]

That is so exciting! I hope you have a fantastic trip and enjoy an easy flight! (Actually I guess I should have written flightS!) We are anxious to hear all about your adventure!

Have a great time!

[Q's My Princess]

Hello from Beijing! We arrived yesterday and just enjoyed a fabulous breaksfast at the Regent hotel. DD was so excited to have pork buns (ruo bao)!

The flight from San Francisco wasn't too bad and the weather in Beijing was hot and humid. Today is cloudy and cool, with a few rain showers. We are planning on a relaxing day of sightseeing, shopping and DD wants to go swimming in the hotel pool!

Tomorrow we are taking a tour called Beijing Sideways...should be EXCITING! :cheer2:
Saturday we are going on a food tour of a Hutong. Then Sunday we meet our ABD group!

[DVCGirl49]

Glad to hear you made it safely and are having a good time. Looking forward to hearing more!

[frandavis]

China is cool adventure land but i still not go there due to lack of time.

[2GirlsMama]

Thanks for posting from Beijing! I hope you enjoy every minute of your adventure. I look forward to reading more.

[kennythepirate]

Hello from Beijing! We arrived yesterday and just enjoyed a fabulous breaksfast at the Regent hotel. DD was so excited to have pork buns (ruo bao)!

The flight from San Francisco wasn't too bad and the weather in Beijing was hot and humid. Today is cloudy and cool, with a few rain showers. We are planning on a relaxing day of sightseeing, shopping and DD wants to go swimming in the hotel pool!

Tomorrow we are taking a tour called Beijing Sideways...should be EXCITING! :cheer2:
Saturday we are going on a food tour of a Hutong. Then Sunday we meet our ABD group!

See ya real soon!

[abnrob]

Q's my princess,
We are going on the July 4nd trip and we are working on the details....we were just wondering....
Are you posting from the hotel in China?? Is there a hotel computer or did you bring your own? What converters did you bring?

Have a great trip!

[Q's My Princess]

Q's my princess,
We are going on the July 4nd trip and we are working on the details....we were just wondering....
Are you posting from the hotel in China?? Is there a hotel computer or did you bring your own? What converters did you bring?

Have a great trip!
Hi! We brought our laptop and ipad and have been using either the hotel's wifi or broadband connections. As for converters we brought the Asia versions, but have yet to need them. The power strip or outlets are conventional.

Had another great day in Beijing with absolutely gorgeous weather. It was amazingly clear and cool!

[SteveInCA]

Hi! We brought our laptop and ipad and have been using either the hotel's wifi or broadband connections. As for converters we brought the Asia versions, but have yet to need them. The power strip or outlets are conventional.

Had another great day in Beijing with absolutely gorgeous weather. It was amazingly clear and cool!

If you find a hotel where you need the converters, PLEASE post that info. We're on the trip right after yours, and if we don't need converters, I won't buy 'em.

[disneyphx]

Has anyone found a good website or blog with Expo info? I want to go, but want to have a strategy as I figure the lines will be long and the time limited. So I am thinking of working out a few cool pavilions to see. Just read about the USA in a (slightly old, May 23) New York Times and was not too intrigued.

[abnrob]

Have you tried "tripadvisor.com"? I was reading some of the comments and they seemed helpful. I am so excited to hear from the people who are going before us to tell us what is worth seeing!

By the way, I was really happy when we got the Disney "box" because they said they would drive us to the expo! I thought getting there would be half the battle!

Only a month to go!!!

[kennythepirate]

Have a running trip report here on the board. Just click on Flat Stanley discussion. I don't see conventional plugs here in Shangri La in Chengdu. We bought a Conair Euro set of converters many years ago that is working terrificly.

[Q's My Princess]

We found out last night that Disney will be driving us by coach to the expo.

[2GirlsMama]

Q's My Princess! Thanks for sharing this valuable information.

(I haven't been reading the current trip report because I want to be surprised during our trip. I'll read it when we get back.)

I hope you are having a fantastic time!

[kennythepirate]

We are having an amazing time on this trip! Qismyprincess and her family are wonderful people. It is so great to finally meet them on the trip!

[Q's My Princess]

We are having an amazing time on this trip! Qismyprincess and her family are wonderful people. It is so great to finally meet them on the trip!

Kenny....that is so nice! We have thoroughly enjoyed meeting Kenny and his family. Such great times we are sharing!

[carouselkr]

I am glad to see that ABD is providing help in getting to the Expo since it is the chance of a lifetime! My daughter's company will have a couple of installations there, so we will definitely be attending, and seeing the China pavilion(s) where their stuff will be. Hope to hear from others on the current trip before we leave on ours.

[kennythepirate]

We are going to the Expo in about 1 hour. I will give you an update later. Just check my Flat Stanley thread.

[disneyphx]

Found some Expo info here at an expat focussed website- including the overwhelming number of over 500,000 visitors on one day!
http://shanghaiist.com/2010/05/31/half_a_million_people_visited_the_e.php
And more infor here, including some lists of best pavilions etc: http://cnreviews.com/category/life/travel-tourism

[GoofyBaseballMom26]

I spent 1 1/2 days at the Expo last week on travel not pertaining to anything Disney.

Be prepared to not see as much as you want to. The crowds are unbelievable and the wait times for the popular pavillions are 3-4 hours long. We had reservations and were able to see the Chinese Pavillion and it is wonderful. We were only able to see about 5 others, most of which, the outside of the buildings were more impressive than the inside.

You will be walking alot! We were only able to see about 1/4 of the whole Expo during that time. The buildings are impressive to see, I bet they were beautiful at night but we were unable to stay until dark to see them.

If you have any questions feel free to PM me!

[SteveInCA]

Well, it's our turn now. We're finishing up packing, and we're off tomorrow night to stay near SFO. After that, an early flight to Vancouver, a long flight to Beijing, and the our adventure begins. We can't wait!

[It's always cold]

Have a wonderful trip!!

Question for people leaving on July 18, has anyone received their boxes yet?

Mine will go to my travel agent and then come to me (Canadian), so I just want to keep on top of that. Thanks!

[JLoane]

My family is on the July 4th trip, and while I'm getting very excited, I'm begining to stress about packing. We're flying Continental so I'd checked baggage restrictions on their website, and I also called ABD about the domestic China flights.

According to both Continental and ABD, a checked bag, a carry on, and a personal item (purse, backpack, etc) are allowed. HOWEVER, for the carryon, Continental limits the weight at 40 lbs, but ABD advises that for domestic flights in China, the max weight is 11 lbs. Yikes! I guess I'm going to need to rethink my package strategies.

Can anyone who has taken this trip previously--or is currently in China--comment?

Thanks!

[kennythepirate]

Abd never weighed carry ons. But you don't want to lug around 40 lbs everyday. It is a lot of walking. Abd didnt care how many checked bags while in country or weight of them. On way home we did have to follow united luggage rules.

[abnrob]

ALSO, can anyone who has been on the trip give me some advice?
How much money would you recommend bringing? Also, do we really need separate currency for China AND Hong Kong? I just don't want to have too much money but it sounds like credit cards are not really used there!

[JLoane]

Abd never weighed carry ons. But you don't want to lug around 40 lbs everyday. It is a lot of walking. Abd didnt care how many checked bags while in country or weight of them. On way home we did have to follow united luggage rules.

Sorry if I wasn't clear with my original question. I wouldn't lug around a 20 inch rolling bag everyday--we'll use backpacks for cameras and everyday needs. But I would like to have the security of carrying a 20 inch rolling bag onto domestic China flights along with a purse/backpack while my larger bag is checked. Is that doable?

[Q's My Princess]

ALSO, can anyone who has been on the trip give me some advice?
How much money would you recommend bringing? Also, do we really need separate currency for China AND Hong Kong? I just don't want to have too much money but it sounds like credit cards are not really used there!
Just arrived home today from our adventure! We brought US$ for our Adventure guide tips only. When we arrived in Beijing we used our ATM card to get RMB, as needed. Yes, there are two different currencies for mainland China and Hong Kong. We used the ATM at Hong Kong Disneyland for HK$.

Have a great time!!

[kennythepirate]

I did exchange American cash a couple of times and found the hotels to be quite easy to work with with no additional fees.
Q...have any problems with jet lag? I haven't been able to get my sleep schedule straight yet. Amazing trip. Super excited to share it with your family. Stanley needs to update his blog :-)

[cats75252]

My wife and I went on a vacation/work trip to teach English at the Yanbian University in Yanji China. It was a wonderful way to experience the culture and the people. Plus the food is amazing.

[Q's My Princess]

I did exchange American cash a couple of times and found the hotels to be quite easy to work with with no additional fees.
Q...have any problems with jet lag? I haven't been able to get my sleep schedule straight yet. Amazing trip. Super excited to share it with your family. Stanley needs to update his blog :-)

Oh, Kenny! Definately, having troubles adjusting to the 15 hour time difference. Not as hard as when we arrived in China, though! Quincy is wondering when we will see you and your family again....any trips to WDW in your future?

Best!
Laurie

[smep013]

It seems like the cash question is not as difficult as we are anticipating.

Our worry is access to ATMs will be difficult in China. Is that the case?

Right now, we are planning to bring US dollars for the guides and also to bring some RMB with us as cash to spend.

Any feedback reassurances would be appreciated!

As well as tips to adjust to the time difference upon arrival in China! (Should be fun!)

[Q's My Princess]

It seems like the cash question is not as difficult as we are anticipating.

Our worry is access to ATMs will be difficult in China. Is that the case?

Right now, we are planning to bring US dollars for the guides and also to bring some RMB with us as cash to spend.

Any feedback reassurances would be appreciated!

As well as tips to adjust to the time difference upon arrival in China! (Should be fun!)
There are plenty of ATM's...in the airport, near the hotels (with the exception of the Hotel of Modern Art), and near most of the shopping areas (including the World Expo).

As for tips on jetlag when you land in China...
1) try to get on China time when you board the plane
2) hopefully you are arriving before the tour begins and can use those days to acclimate
3) if you wake-up around 4-5 am in China, don't go back to sleep. I did and it wasn't until I stopped that my sleep became regular.

I am sure others will give you tips....above all have a great time!

I was very anxious before our trip....worried that it would be SO different from the USA. I was wrong...in almost every city we were in, we could have been in any major metropolitan city in the world, NYC, SF, London, Paris, Rome...be prepared for people that are just like you and me.

[2GirlsMama]

Such thoughtful advice! I completely agree. This will be our fourth trip to China and I have always experienced that going there the time difference isn't nearly as difficult an adjustmen as when we return home.

I think the best advice about going to China is to enjoy everything and try new things. Some things are just like home, and some things are very different. It is all interesting.

I am really getting excited. We leave two weeks from today!! :cool1:

[abnrob]

We leave 2 weeks from today too! I can't wait!!! I hope it won't be TOO hot!! We are busy reading all we can about China!

[smep013]

1. Bag for daily "adventures" - I'm not normally a backpack kinda girl. Or a purse kinda girl. I do not carry one. Ever. When we are in WDW, I use a fanny pack for essentials only (camera, sunscreen, tickets, credit cards).

For those who have been - what bag did you take/need to take with you on each day's excursions? Just looking for insider tips!


2. Hotel soap - Not high maintence when it comes to toiletries. Did the hotels provide soap/shampoo? Any insights there?

Thanks in advance!

Stacey

[Q's My Princess]

1. Bag for daily "adventures" - I'm not normally a backpack kinda girl. Or a purse kinda girl. I do not carry one. Ever. When we are in WDW, I use a fanny pack for essentials only (camera, sunscreen, tickets, credit cards).

For those who have been - what bag did you take/need to take with you on each day's excursions? Just looking for insider tips!


2. Hotel soap - Not high maintence when it comes to toiletries. Did the hotels provide soap/shampoo? Any insights there?

Thanks in advance!

Stacey
Hi Stacey,

Happy to help answer your questions...
1) I brought my handbag with us on our excursions and half of the time I left it on the coach while we were off exploring. Use your fanny pack if that is what you are accustomed to.

2) Regarding toiletries...each hotel provided everything you will ever need....toothbrush, toothpaste, soap, shampoo, conditioner, nail kits, etc.

Hope that helps!

Laurie

[smep013]

That is such a big, big help!


If I think of any other questions, I'll let you know!

[2GirlsMama]

Hi Stacey!
I can't wait to meet you in less than two weeks!:cool1: I am still using the nail clippers from the Peninsula in Beijing! It is a beautiful, well-equipped, elegant hotel. There are all sorts of high end shops in the hotel (like Coach and other expensive stuff...I am more of a Target girl myself so I can't remember what stores were there.) The rooms even have a door bell. Everything you could possibly need is available.

I like to take my back pack so I can't help with the purse ideas. I would like to mention that you might want to bring a travel pack of toilet paper with you. We each carried it in our backpacks and had the need for it!

Leah

[2GirlsMama]

Hi Laurie,
Since you have been so kind and thoughtful with your answers to all our questions. I hope you won't mind answering another!

When you see the pandas, is the fee per person or per family. Also, our daughters are young (10 and 8) would they be allowed to touch the pandas? I want to be able to prepare them in case they just have to watch DH and I hold the pandas.

THANKS!

[smep013]

Thanks again for all the tips. We have the travel toilet paper, so we are good to go there.

Starting to get a little anxious - the trip is finally within reach. It had always seemed so far away.

Any tips for the flight? We are flying from Philly to Toronto and on to Beijing.

See you soon!!!

[sayhello]

Thanks again for all the tips. We have the travel toilet paper, so we are good to go there.

Starting to get a little anxious - the trip is finally within reach. It had always seemed so far away.

Any tips for the flight? We are flying from Philly to Toronto and on to Beijing.

See you soon!!!I highly recommend an iPad! That thing kept me totally entertained from New York to Madrid!

Enjoy, enjoy!

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[Q's My Princess]

Hi Laurie,
Since you have been so kind and thoughtful with your answers to all our questions. I hope you won't mind answering another!

When you see the pandas, is the fee per person or per family. Also, our daughters are young (10 and 8) would they be allowed to touch the pandas? I want to be able to prepare them in case they just have to watch DH and I hold the pandas.

THANKS!
The fee charged by the Chengdu Panda Research Center is per person, not per family. There is no age limit for the experience.

[Q's My Princess]

Any tips for the flight? We are flying from Philly to Toronto and on to Beijing.

Hi Stacey,
Tips for the flight....hmmm...that is a tough one! I was so excited and anxious about the trip, it seemed to fly by (no pun intended :laughing:). We were lucky enough to upgrade, so our DD (9), watched every movie available.
The best advice I can give you is: Tell yourself and your family what time it is in Beijing when you board the plane. Be sure to change your watches. Keep telling yourself what time it is there and convince your body to sleep when it is nighttime in China. Secondly, when you arrive in Beijing, try and stay awake as late as possible on your first night. It will be very tough, but it will payoff when you can sleep through the night.

Don't be anxious about the trip...you are in the best of hands with the ABD guides. Not sure who you will have, maybe Jason and Leo, and they will take care of every little detail, leaving you and your family to relax and enjoy your trip.

[SteveInCA]

Greetings from the Hong Kong Disneyland Hotel! The official tour finished up last night :( but we have a couple of extra days here on our own. We went into Hong Kong on the metro all by ourselves today -- it was strange to be driving the activities ourselves. I miss my fellow adventurers and our wonderful guides already. If any of you get James and/or Huan (James is doing the next trip, I believe), tell him that Steve and Tina say hi!

I won't say much about the tour itself -- you really have to experience it for yourselves. I will say that it was a wonderful experience for the whole family, and that it really opened up our eyes about China and the Chinese people. My favorite memories revolve around interacting with the people themselves.

A few tips/notes for upcoming adventurers:

Adjusting to the time change -- we really didn't have any problem. They key for me was the same as it always is when I fly to Europe or Asia: arrive very tired, and don't go to sleep until bedtime. I didn't sleep on the plane. Our flight came in at 3PM or so, and we got to the hotel at about 5:30. We had a relaxing (though overly expensive) dinner at the Peninsula, then went upstairs and crashed at about 8PM. We woke up at 4 or 5 AM for the first few days, but that faded quickly.

ATMs weren't really a problem for us, though I know of several others who had trouble getting money here in Hong Kong at first. The real issue for us was the daily withdrawal limit, which was 1500 yuan for us. That's not really all that much money, especially if you need to stock up quickly. We ended up calling the bank from Hong Kong to get a one day increase in our limit, as we needed to gather money for tips for the guides.

There will be one or two points in the trip where you will likely need cash: Chengdu (if you're going to do the Panda thing) and Hong Kong (for tipping the guides). Plan ahead (i.e., get money early), and all will be well. We didn't do that, and both times we ended up scrambling.

The Panda encounter is 1000 yuan per person. The handlers said that family members not taking part could step in for a group picture at the end. BTW, a few of the younger adventurers were told that they were too small, and they didn't get to hold one.

In Beijing, be sure and visit the Night Market. It's just down the street from the hotel. The sights, sounds, and (especially) smells will stay with me for a long time. I didn't eat anything, though others did.

I would *highly* recommend talking to your doctor and getting a course of antibiotics for traveler's diarrhea for *everyone* in your party. I had a mild bout in Chengdu, and it cleared up instantly when I took the antibiotics. A few others had varying degrees of this, and I suspect they wish they'd brought some along. Be sure and bring pepto bismol and imodium as well. Let's just say that I used them at one point. :)

Upset stomachs notwithstanding, I'd encourage you to be adventurous and try everything. I wouldn't change my culinary choices one bit. It was a blast. The "local" flavor is much more pronounced in the first half of the trip, I found. In the second half, there were many more western choices as well.

Be prepared for a very long day on the Chengdu/Xian/Guilin day. It's absolutely worth it, but man oh man, we were beat for a day or so after that.

Be sure and go explore the park around the hotel in Guilin. We grabbed bikes on the morning before the cruise on the river, and we rode all over the park. It's amazing.

In Shanghai, be sure and go explore Fu Xian(sp?) park when they give you some time after the fan dance. It's quite an experience, assuming the same things are going on when you're there.

If you have cute little kids, especially blond ones, Chinese folks are going to come up and take your picture. Most of the time they'll ask first. Sometimes they won't. They'll stare sometimes as well in some cases -- I think many of them haven't seen Westerners before. It never felt hostile -- it was mainly wonder and interest.

In Chengdu, be sure and take a walk along the river at night. It's beautiful. In Shanghai, walk back to the hotel from dinner the first night. The Bund (river walk) is wonderful.

The World Expo is amazing and utterly overwhelming. There are tons and tons of crowds, and the long lines at many of the pavilions are simply not worth it, given the limited time you have. We hit a bunch of the lesser/smaller pavilions (I went for the "Axis of Evil" trifecta - North Korea, Iran, and Iraq. :-)) and had a blast. Oh, and I think taking the bus across the river is much faster than taking the boat. We did it both ways, and I wish we'd done the bus.

Lastly, if you're worried about it being too foreign or uncomfortable...don't worry. Beijing, Shanghai, and Hong Kong are international cities, and we all felt fine. The tour itself gives you a nice exposure to the culture and country while still keeping things well in control. (If you want to go off and experience the culture yourself during free time, by all means do so! I did so, and I think it enriched the experience.)

Have fun out there. I wish I could start over and do it all again.

Steve

[2GirlsMama]

Steve, thanks very much for your insights. They are extremely helpful. We are leaving one week from today for our adventure. China is pretty much all we talk about! You have given us some new ideas to dream about tonight. Thanks!

[SteveInCA]

The fee charged by the Chengdu Panda Research Center is per person, not per family. There is no age limit for the experience.

On our trip, I know that a six year old and an eight year old weren't allowed to handle the pandas. A nine, ten, and thirteen year old were allowed to do so.

I don't know if it was an age limit thing or a size thing; I would suspect the former.

[disneyphx]

Thanks for the tips Steve - a week from now we will be in the air!
My 5 year old is blond, so I appreciate that tip. Luckily she has already decided she does not want to hold a panda (bad koala experience.....)
How was the heat/humidity/rain? that is my primary discomfort concern.

[smep013]

Great tips, Steve!

Adding Pepto and Immodium to my shopping list.

Two questions:

Any need to bring a light jacket or sweater?
Is there time to workout/swim at any of the hotels?

We'll will be in the air one week from today!!!

[smep013]

Also, is the Panda experience cash only?

[Q's My Princess]

Also, is the Panda experience cash only?
Yes, cash only. There is an ATM very close to the hotel in Chengdu.

[SteveInCA]

Any need to bring a light jacket or sweater?

Perhaps for the flights to and from China. Beyond that, we never used a jacket. We did use our raincoats here in HK, though we used umbrellas more.


Is there time to workout/swim at any of the hotels?


Yes. Our boys were able to swim at least once at each hotel. Several of the adventurers were working out almost daily.

[SteveInCA]

Another note - the Great Firewall in China proper (not Hong Kong) blocks access to Facebook along with other sites. If that bugs you as it did me, I found two ways around it: phone and VPN.

I was able to use my phone to go to http://m.facebook.com and post status updates and such. This didn't work when using wifi from the phone. The downside here is that international data access isn't cheap. Checking and updating status and such several times a day consumed less the 20MB of data for me, so a 20MB data plan would be sufficient.

I also installed VPN ("Virtual Private Network") software on my PC once I got here. That let me get full access to FB. I used software from http://www.surfbouncer.com for $4.99/week. Worked great most of the time.

[It's always cold]

Question about the ABD backpacks, does that weird smell go away, I would hate to take them on the plane and be responsible for stinking it up for 10 hours!!

[Q's My Princess]

Question about the ABD backpacks, does that weird smell go away, I would hate to take them on the plane and be responsible for stinking it up for 10 hours!!
Ha!!:rotfl2: I don't know...I was afraid of the same thing and left ours at home!

[2GirlsMama]

I took my ABD backpack last year and it fell apart on the trip. The one I got this year is still in the box! Our girls took the ABD one last year and they seemed to work well.

[sayhello]

Interesting. The one they gave us on the Med cruise did not smell... Maybe the Guides had already aired them out. I shlepped mine all over the place, and it held up well.

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[trianne]

YES ours also smelled horrible. I opened them up and put them outside on covered patio for 2 weeks, sun and fresh air made the smell go away. If you are short on time, try Lysol or Fabreeze. BTW this is our second ABD trip and first set of backpacks were much better then these...and didnt smell!!!!. first set had suede bottom and stronger straps. THAT said, we DID take the first set with us to Prague trip and WILL take this set with us in few weeks to China. They are great for umbrellas, ponchos, water bottles, stuff, etc. on daily excursions. There is alot of on-and-off the busses, so they do take a beating. dont want my favorite purses taking that kind of beating. I DO take a small over the shoulder purse for camera, money, phone, motrin(!) for short jaunts off the bus and dinners.

[2GirlsMama]

Packing like crazy! One daughter is all the way packed, and a little more laundry for daughter number two, and she will be packed. So excited!!

[SweaterInJune]

My friend James is an adventure guide in China this year, so if he is your guide, tell him his best friend Danielle says hello! :wave2:

Have a great time! I wish I was going!

[smep013]

Oh my God! We leave Friday!

[Q's My Princess]

My friend James is an adventure guide in China this year, so if he is your guide, tell him his best friend Danielle says hello! :wave2:

Have a great time! I wish I was going!

Nell,
We had James as a "shadow guide" during our May 30-June 11th China trip! What a great friend you have! We truly enjoyed his company!

[Q's My Princess]

Oh my God! We leave Friday!
Have a GREAT time!! I just received our photo cd in the mail today from our May 30th trip...what memories! So excited for you and your family...have fun!
Please tell your guides (you might have Jason and Leo) Laurie, Michael & Quincy say "Ni Hao!".

[SweaterInJune]

Nell,
We had James as a "shadow guide" during our May 30-June 11th China trip! What a great friend you have! We truly enjoyed his company!

He is an amazing friend...with the best job in the world! I'm so jealous of it... It's a dream job for me! Glad you had a great trip, and got to spend it with such a great guy! He's one of the nicest guys I have ever met... :goodvibes

[2GirlsMama]

Wow! That is a great endorsement! I hope he is one of our guides. Our guides last year were absolutely wonderful. We are still in contact with both of them. Disney must really work hard to hire such great guides.

WE LEAVE ON FRIDAY!!!! HOORAY!!!!:cool1:

[Hillbeans]

Hi everyone - just stumbled upon this thread from the home page. My husband has been in China on business since June 5th. He has been staying in Shanghai but went to Chengdu for a meeting and will be going to Shanghai, Beijing and Datong for his next visit.

I know everyone here will be up for quite an adventure and I wish everyone a fantastic trip. DH has had a very nice stay and is excited for the next few months flying to/from China for work. The people in China have been very warm and welcoming to him.

EDITED TO ADD - Bring Benadryl- they don't sell it in the stores - DH had a colleague who had an allergic reaction to something she ate and he tried 3+ different stores and they don't sell it.

[smep013]

I don't know why I'm thinking about this now...

When we got our Travel Visas back, all it was was a sticker covering a page of our passport - I'm not sure what I expected, but what bothers me now is they did not use the photos we sent at all.

Please tell me this is right!? Especially since we leave tomorrow morning!!!

[smep013]

Have a GREAT time!! I just received our photo cd in the mail today from our May 30th trip...what memories! So excited for you and your family...have fun!
Please tell your guides (you might have Jason and Leo) Laurie, Michael & Quincy say "Ni Hao!".

Hi - what do you mean by "photo CD?" Is it like Photo Pass in the parks? Or was this your own personal photo CD?

[sayhello]

Hi - what do you mean by "photo CD?" Is it like Photo Pass in the parks? Or was this your own personal photo CD?This year, ABD is giving everyone a CD of all of the photos taken by the Adventure Guides during the trip. It used to be that you had to purchase them through Photopass, but now they are including it in the ABD, and they send them to you after the trip for "free".

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[Bobo912]

I took my ABD backpack last year and it fell apart on the trip. The one I got this year is still in the box! Our girls took the ABD one last year and they seemed to work well.

I really liked last year's backpack, but mine came apart during the trip too.

[SweaterInJune]

I don't know why I'm thinking about this now...

When we got our Travel Visas back, all it was was a sticker covering a page of our passport - I'm not sure what I expected, but what bothers me now is they did not use the photos we sent at all.

Please tell me this is right!? Especially since we leave tomorrow morning!!!

That is probably how it goes for China. When I was living in Germany, my residency visa had my horrible, biometric mugshot embedded in the printed sticker, also adhered over a passport page. China may choose to file the photo, electronically, but not include. If you have any questions, or just want to formally ease concerns, call the Chinese Embassy:

Embassy of China in Washington, United States

2300 Connecticut Avenue, N.W.
20008
Washington D.C.
District of Columbia
USA
Phone:
+1-202-328-2500
+1-202-328-2551
Fax:
+1-202-588-0032
+1-202-328-2582
Email:
chinaembassy_us@fmprc.gov.cn
Website URL:
www.china-embassy.org/eng

Someone there should be able to confirm it!

[Q's My Princess]

I don't know why I'm thinking about this now...

When we got our Travel Visas back, all it was was a sticker covering a page of our passport - I'm not sure what I expected, but what bothers me now is they did not use the photos we sent at all.

Please tell me this is right!? Especially since we leave tomorrow morning!!!

Your passport/visa is absolutely correct!!! I am not sure why they asked for a photo (maybe big brother is watching), but you are good to go!:thumbsup2

[Q's My Princess]

Hi - what do you mean by "photo CD?" Is it like Photo Pass in the parks? Or was this your own personal photo CD?
Yes, it includes the slideshow from the last night and all the photos that your guides took during your adventure! Very cool!:yay:

[smep013]

Your passport/visa is absolutely correct!!! I am not sure why they asked for a photo (maybe big brother is watching), but you are good to go!:thumbsup2

Oh thank you! I was having a mini panic attack!

[It's always cold]

Well it is our turn to pack and slightly panic LOL!! We leave home on Wednesday so we can get to a major airport then we fly out of Canada on Friday YEAH. Wondering how the tour who is there now did during the heat wave hope everything was okay for them.

[SteveInCA]

Well it is our turn to pack and slightly panic LOL!! We leave home on Wednesday so we can get to a major airport then we fly out of Canada on Friday YEAH. Wondering how the tour who is there now did during the heat wave hope everything was okay for them.

You mean it got hotter? The second half of June was like Florida in July in many spots.

[It's always cold]

Good news apparently the heatwave of last week is over and has been replaced by massive flooding!!:headache:

[2GirlsMama]

We just got back from China last evening. It was a fantastic experience. I can't possibly say enough good things about ABD.

I would tell future adventurers to be sure to prepare for extreme heat and humidity. It was crazy hot. Also remember to bring some TP!

Have a great time. Our guides, James and Huan, were FANTASTIC!!

[sayhello]

We just got back from China last evening. It was a fantastic experience. I can't possibly say enough good things about ABD.

I would tell future adventurers to be sure to prepare for extreme heat and humidity. It was crazy hot. Also remember to bring some TP!

Have a great time. Our guides, James and Huan, were FANTASTIC!!Welcome back! I'm so glad your return trip was so wonderful! I really admire you for your determination & enthusiasm to return, even after the horrid experience you had last year. Obviously, it's paid off for you. I hope I would react the same way if anything like that happened to me.

Are you going to do a Trip Report? I sure hope so!

Sayhello

[2GirlsMama]

Hi Sayhello! Thanks for your kindness. It was so important to our family not to let our bad experience cloud our view of China. I have to admit it was kind of scary to take the chance again. It was better immediately because no one came onto the plane when we landed in Beijing wearing hazmat suits! We had the adventure we dreamed about.

I hadn't thought of doing a trip report. I don't think I could do nearly as well as you do!

[sayhello]

Hi Sayhello! Thanks for your kindness. It was so important to our family not to let our bad experience cloud our view of China. I have to admit it was kind of scary to take the chance again. It was better immediately because no one came onto the plane when we landed in Beijing wearing hazmat suits! We had the adventure we dreamed about.

I hadn't thought of doing a trip report. I don't think I could do nearly as well as you do!Trip Report! Trip Report! :banana:

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[smep013]

Hello all, especially "2GirlsMama!" (It's your fellow adventurer, Stacey!)

We were also on the most recent trip (today is my first day back to work) and it was amazing. Cannot say enough about how wonderful it was. The country is beautiful, our fellow adventurers were perfect, and the guides were the best we could have hoped for.

I will try to muster up energy (and time) for my own trip report, but to summarize: I am blessed to have had the opportunity and grateful Disney helped make it perfect!

Xie Xie!

[JLoane]

I'm another adventurer (Jen) just back from China and will add my kudos to Disney, and especially our guides James and Huan, for an amazing trip! It far surpassed my high expectations, and my family would travel with ABD again in a heartbeat. It may sound corny, but it's hard to describe just how wonderful this trip really was! China is a beautiful country, and it was so interesting to see both the well known sites as well as slices of "real life" in China.

Now I just need to beat this jetlag!!

[lbsl18]

Hi Toronto Traveller- We have a 15yr old, 13 yr old (boys) and a little girl (9 yrs) We went on Bella Italia last year. We hope to have good adventure guides-they really make the trip what it is. Looking forward to meeting you all soon.-L

[It's always cold]

We are just back from our China tour started July 18, got home Aug 1. It was an absolutely amazing trip, this was our first ABD trip but more than half of the families on our tour were repeat customers and I can see why, Disney does an amazing job and I don't know where Disney finds all the amazing guides (I have never heard a bad word about any guide) but ours were phenominal (Jason and Leo).

We ended up staying an extra day in Hong Kong and felt out of sorts not having a guide to help us with all the little details, like transportation, etc. We had done the Npgong 360 tour to see the giant budha and then went to a mall, where my son ended up getting injured, Croc shoe vs. escalator, escalator won. Thank goodness it is not too serious and he will be fine in a week or so and thank goodness this happened when the tour was over. We did really miss our guides then, but Disneyland hotel did go above and beyond to help us in anyway they could including lending us a wheelchair, free of charge.

I would definately travel with Disney again and look forward to planning my next trip probably 2012.

[sayhello]

Welcome back, It's always cold! ABD's are definitely addictive. And it IS so hard finishing up on your own... nobody to take care of stuff for you. The Guides spoil us so much...

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[Danielmarkwogh]

I just recently completed my chine trips. I stayed in the shanghai at my uncle house, He has to permanent live in the shanghai. It was really awesome place.I like most there peoples night life.East Nanjing Road Is really awesome place in the shanghai mostly peoples was enjoying on this place.

[jeffmilw]

This one sounds like alot of fun!!