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PigletsMommy
01-18-2010, 03:59 PM
I mean...REALLY talking?

I watch my friend's boys 3 times a week. They are 4 and 22 months. The youngest is not talking much. My friend and I have talked about it and I know she is a little concerned. I try throughout the day to get him to repeat my words but he just stares at me. What he does say is mumbles or "baby talk". He has momma, dadda, juice, cookie, ball...all those type words down but some are pretty hard to understand. Like water sounds kind of like "wal-la wal-la wal-la".

I try really hard not to compare our children but my child is my main experience. Other than babysitting when I was a teen. DD is 14 months old and has quite a few words. Becoming a little parrot.

Should he be putting words together by now and making short sentences? I'm just wondering because I don't see him trying much. Like right now...he is waking from his nap and I go in and ask if he wants up...he shakes his head yes...I say "say UP" and he just looks at me. Does anyone have any suggestions on what to do? Any experiences? Should we (his parents and myself as a babysitter) just let it go?

We know what he wants but he just wont talk.

Mrs. Charming
01-18-2010, 04:15 PM
Kids are different. Some kids talk later, some sooner. Some children just aren't parrots. DD didn't talk much until later but she's coming out with complete sentences, not just repeated words. I'd only be concerned if the child's pediatrician is.

SmallWorld71
01-18-2010, 04:19 PM
DS10 and DD6 were both speaking in full sentences by the time they were 2. DD14 on the other hand, didn't speak more than a one syllable grunts until past his third birthday. He had some severe auditory processing difficulties (not the same as hearing problems) and received speech therapy for a number of years. Most kids are somewhere in the middle.

To answer your question, yes he should be stringing some words together.

As far as what to do. I would have Early Intervention take a look at him. He may need help, he may not but the parents won't know unless they investigate. It is much better for the child to get him some help now if he needs it, than to wait. Lots of different things can cause speech delays.

shelbys mommy
01-18-2010, 04:21 PM
Both of my boys were talking clearly by age 2. My oldest told us one day, clear as can be, after being told to shut the door that "It's not my responsibility." Our jaws hit the floor. Now my 9 month old is saying "da da" and "ba ba", but that's about it...still waiting for "ma ma". And I'm trying to teach her to tell her daddy "I wanna go see Mickey Daddy." That way he has to take her lol

dogodisney
01-18-2010, 04:29 PM
How much talking does the 4 yr old do for the younger one? If the older one speaks for the little guy, he has no reason to talk. It happens quite often where a older sibling speaks for the younger one so the younger learns he/she doesn't have to talk to get what they want.

Liljam
01-18-2010, 04:40 PM
My son is almost 2 (Feb 12th) and is just recently starting to string words like "all gone." He's also in the last week or two started repeating EVERYTHING we say like our bank name, but prior to that he was quiet and more baby talk with the exception of several words (some very clear - others still aren't.) He's doctor has always ranked him ahead of schedule in everything else, and "normal" range with his talking. He did have trouble with fluid build up and has had two surgeries for tubes already, but at this point, I've not been highly concerned. I would give the boy a bit more time to see where it goes and continue to work with him. As long as everything else has been on target, he could be within normal range.

brergnat
01-18-2010, 04:46 PM
You should both be concerned. What you are describing sounds like apraxia of speech. Does the kid look "serious" a lot of the time? Google "childhood apraxia of speech" and see if that describes him. My DS3 has that. He wasn't talking at ALL until he was about 2.5, and that was after 9 months of speech therapy. Literally, at 22 months, my son was doing NOTHING but crying and tantruming...no babbling (although, he did babble a LOT as a baby, but completely stopped somewhere near his first birthday). He is now almost 4 and can say lots of words, although many of them are not easily understood. He can say 3-4 word phrases, but doesn't speak "properly", as in, his syntax is poor. He leaves out articles (an, a, the) and many times, leaves out pronouns. He calls himself "Lucas" instead of "me" or "I". He repeats phrases a few times in succession to make sure we hear/understand him. He is in his second year of special ed. preschool. He gets speech therapy through there.

Speech/language delays are VERY common, esp. among boys. The child's parents should definitely call Early Intervention and have him evaluated. It could be nothing, but likely, he has a speech delay. Don't listen to "some kids just talk later than others." This child probably wants to talk, and he literally can't. Get him some help!

Rylee
01-18-2010, 05:00 PM
Normal speech development varies greatly but it wouldn't hurt to have him evaluated. She should talk to her pediatrician.

It's normal at this age to understand more words than he can actually say... If you ask him to point to body parts, does he understand? Can he follow simple 1 step directions? ... Put this in the toy box. How many body parts can he name? He should be able to put a couple of words together... All gone, Go bye-bye, etc.

I agree... if the older child is speaking for him, his speech will be more delayed.

champagnegirl26
01-18-2010, 05:01 PM
You should both be concerned. What you are describing sounds like apraxia of speech. Does the kid look "serious" a lot of the time? Google "childhood apraxia of speech" and see if that describes him. My DS3 has that. He wasn't talking at ALL until he was about 2.5, and that was after 9 months of speech therapy. Literally, at 22 months, my son was doing NOTHING but crying and tantruming...no babbling (although, he did babble a LOT as a baby, but completely stopped somewhere near his first birthday). He is now almost 4 and can say lots of words, although many of them are not easily understood. He can say 3-4 word phrases, but doesn't speak "properly", as in, his syntax is poor. He leaves out articles (an, a, the) and many times, leaves out pronouns. He calls himself "Lucas" instead of "me" or "I". He repeats phrases a few times in succession to make sure we hear/understand him. He is in his second year of special ed. preschool. He gets speech therapy through there.

Speech/language delays are VERY common, esp. among boys. The child's parents should definitely call Early Intervention and have him evaluated. It could be nothing, but likely, he has a speech delay. Don't listen to "some kids just talk later than others." This child probably wants to talk, and he literally can't. Get him some help!

I understand you have experience in this area however I think your comments could be very alarming to the OP. This child is not two years old yet and it is very common particularly boys to develop their speach later. I certainly think if they have concern they should discuss it with their doctor but to assume what they are discribing in little detail is the condition you think it sounds like is a little over the top. Im sure you had good intentions though:love: Some kids actually DO talk later than others.

bumbershoot
01-18-2010, 05:19 PM
My guy was almost 2 when he really started to start to talk. We understood what he needed before then, so it wasn't necessary at all, but it made it a bit easier on us. :)

And with a situation where you have an older sib? Forget about it! My brother, who is really really really smart, didn't talk until he was 3. Why should he? We, and when I say "we" I mean his big sister, ME, knew what he wanted. I translated for him. He had no need to talk. Then he hit 3 and boom, sentences.

Kids are different from each other, boys are different from girls, and as long as it isn't a hearing issue, I personally wouldn't worry about it (especially since he isn't your kidlet). He's still a baby; he has plenty of time.


But by the way, the thing that triggered DS (and my cousin's kid, when she told me that her boy, about the same age as mine was just before he started talking, wasn't talking much) was Blue's Clues! I talked to him, with adult words (and none of that 3rd person stuff that's nice nails on a chalkboard to me), all the time, but for some reason, having Joe and Steve "in" the house caused him to just explode with language. And he was learning a lot of it from that show, b/c Joe/Steve would use words that I didn't use, and E would use those words. LOVE Blue's Clues. :)

FlightlessDuck
01-18-2010, 05:58 PM
Our daughter was talking VERY early (her first complete sentence was "We go." at 9 months), so I can't really compare.

However, our youngest niece didn't really start talking until 2 1/2.

I don't remember when my son started talking. But he hasn't shut up since. :rotfl:

FlightlessDuck
01-18-2010, 05:59 PM
I don't you should take anybody's word on the Internet when they start trying to diagnose people. If you are concerned, mention it to the Mom.

DawnM
01-18-2010, 06:12 PM
Oldest started talking at 12 months.

Middle child started talking at 3 YEARS old. Everyone was worried. He is fine and does well academically.

kpgriswold
01-18-2010, 06:21 PM
By 18 months, a child should be able to:
say 8-10 words you can understand
look at a person who is talking to him
ask specifically for her mother or father
use "hi," "bye," and "please," with reminders
ask for something by pointing or by using one word
direct another's attention to an object or action

By 24 months, a child should:
have a vocabulary of several hundred words
use 2-3 word sentences
say names of toys
ask for information about an object (asks, "Shoe?" while pointing to shoe box)
hum or try to sing


Yes, there is room for lots of variation. One of my kids talked at 10 months, one not until about 2. However, your friend should consult her pediatrician at the next regularly scheduled appointment and see if the doc thinks her child needs to be evaluated.

Cedarmom
01-18-2010, 06:22 PM
1. If he babbles and has some words, he doesn't have apraxia. ;)

2. Both of my boys spoke pretty clearly by age 2, but my BFF's son was not. He had very few words at 24 months. Her ped told her he was fine as long as he had something like 5 words. Now, I was jumped on here by a speech pathologist (perhaps? I'm not sure what they were) and told it was more like 50 words. However, the ped was right. My friend's son has taken his 20 or so words he had at age 2 and is now speaking in complete sentences. He's 29 months now. He just had his huge language explosion a lot later than some kiddos. About a month ago he went from saying things like 'Luke juice' to 'I would like some juice, please'.

3. It is entirely possible that your friend's child has a speech problem. It is also entirely possible he's just a late bloomer. I'd agree w/ the PP who mentioned being able to follow directions. If he can understand what you are saying and follow simple one step directions, I'd be a lot less concerned than if he can't. :)

ksl5f123
01-18-2010, 06:27 PM
I agree that all kids are different. Boys typically (not always!) talk later than girls. My experience:

me: started talking at 9 months, sentences like (Bless you, Daddy) at 18 months.
DH: Not a word until he was 3 - he is now a college professor and will talk your ear off. :laughing:
DD6: words by 10 months - sentences by 20
DD4: words by 8 months - sentences like (I hug Pooh Bear - uttered at CP at WDW) by 15 months
DS(18 months): words by 11 months - still no sentences (He may have a slight delay due to being deaf for the first 6 months.)

bigbabyblues
01-18-2010, 06:39 PM
My oldest didn't start talking until he was around 2-1/2, other than a few single words. He was (obviously) an only child, also the only grandchild on both sides, and he got a ton of attention. When he did start talking, it wasn't long until he was using several words together at a time.

My youngest had surgery at 18 months and started talking almost immediately afterwards. We joked that they turned his talking on with the surgery.

mjkacmom
01-18-2010, 07:08 PM
Kids are different. Some kids talk later, some sooner. Some children just aren't parrots. DD didn't talk much until later but she's coming out with complete sentences, not just repeated words. I'd only be concerned if the child's pediatrician is.

Ask any speech therapist about their pet-peeves with pediatricians! With ST, the earlier, the better. EI is also much better before the age of 3 - here you get a ST that comes to your house for an hour a week at the age of 2. At 3, they are eligible for a preschool handicapped class, all day, all disabilities.

My ds7 didn't have much language at 18 months, my pediatrician told me it was because he was a twin, with older siblings. :confused3 I had him tested by EI, he qualified, and it helped SO much! My sister had the same issues as your friend's ds. He was diagnosed with probable apraxia, and he gets therapy. His is a neurological speech disorder, so much harder to fix, but she hopes to get him mainstreamed by kindy or first grade.

I also had a friend who's ds wasn't talking (1 month older than my talking dd). I didn't say anything. Turns out he's autistic. Therefore, when another friend asked my opinion on her non-verbal 2 year old, I suggested he get tested - he's also autistic. She is so thankful to me, because he started to get lots of services early on (I only see her once a year, and every year, she thanks me).

There are SO many reasons why a toddler isn't talking yet (my ds had week oral muscles - he was a big drooler). Why not call Early Intervention for a FREE evaluation. Help will either come, or fears will be calmed.

mjkacmom
01-18-2010, 07:12 PM
3. It is entirely possible that your friend's child has a speech problem. It is also entirely possible he's just a late bloomer. I'd agree w/ the PP who mentioned being able to follow directions. If he can understand what you are saying and follow simple one step directions, I'd be a lot less concerned than if he can't. :)

Actually, a gap between expressive language and receptive language is a red flag.

kohlby
01-18-2010, 07:26 PM
The checklist my ped uses is a mere 50 words by 24 months and starting to put two words together. My oldest had about 15 words at 20 months - and hundreds by 24 months. His pronounciation was terrible but due to his progress in vocab, the ped wasn't concerned. However, my oldest just finished up three years of speech therapy last week due to articulation. The ped still thought he was fine but I got him evaluated anyway. He tested at a severe articulation delay. My second child's speech is much more clear than her brother's was, but I got her tested. She starts speech therapy this week due to articulation as well.

It's very tough to know if articulation is behind that young. I'd suggest just keeping an eye on it and making sure there's improvement. If the improvement stops, then get an evaluation.

*My kids didn't do pre-school. I drove them to the public school just for speech therapy.

Moosemomma
01-18-2010, 10:34 PM
However, your friend should consult her pediatrician at the next regularly scheduled appointment and see if the doc thinks her child needs to be evaluated.

You don't have to wait for a pediatrician referral for an Early Intervention evaluation, anyone can refer a child (parents, day care, grandparents, etc). Pediatricians often take a "wait and see" approach and don't suggest evaluating until closer to age three which can be a huge disservice to the child and family. Sometimes all it takes is a few months of EI for the child to catch up, especially if EI begins early.

deerhart
01-18-2010, 10:55 PM
Take this advice from a Mom with a speech delay boy (which was diagnosed at about 30 months of age).

The general rule of thumb is stringing 2 words together around 24 months and that they are 40-50% intelligible by a stranger. They should have about 25-30 words at age 2. By age 3 they should be 75% intelligible to a stranger and have about 1000+ words.

There are many things that can make a child unintelligible. The simplest is that the child is tongue tied. No one noticed my son was tongue tied until he was 3 years old (and a simple 5 minute operation took him from about 30% to almost 100% intelligible).

My son was deemed 50% delayed in both receptive and expressive language. Despite that, he could still string together 7-10 word sentences at age 3 but had a horrible time answering questions etc.. Part of this delay was because my child also has a Central Auditory Processing disorder. He also had tons of ear infections as a child.

There are simple things you can do to check receptive speech. Can the child put a toy under a chair or on a chair or in a box when told to? Can the child follow 1-2 step directions (get your toy and put it here).

Also follow your gut. Parents instincts are generally right on and if someone thinks something is wrong, there is nothing wrong with having it checked out.

If you have a Parents as Teachers program, they will do a screening at 24 and 32 months on the child.

The problem with EI depends on the rules in your state. Here, the child must have a 50% delay in one area or 2, 25% delays. My son's speech delay was deemed 40% so we had to find a 25% delay elsewhere (they used OT/behavioral-sensory). At age three, the delay doesn't have to be that bad to receive services.

ZanyToes
01-18-2010, 11:52 PM
I tend to not worry at all about things like this.

My 1st kiddo talked in complete sentences very very early.. she had short sentences down by a year old. My middle kiddo was speaking in sentences by 2.. My youngest is just now repeating everything we say at 26 months old.. and it's pretty babbly still. He's just a quieter dude than the others were. Doesn't bother me in the slightest. :)

disfan07
01-19-2010, 02:37 AM
I was watching The Doctors last week and they addressed this and they were saying that 2 years old is about when they should be putting 2 words together like, all gone or milk please, etc.
So I would say give it another month or 2 and see where he is at that point.

It always amazed me at how varied teh vocabulary of teh 2 year olds was at the preschool I worked at. some of teh two year olds were barely using 2 or 3 words together while others were talkign in full adn clear sentences.

If she is concerned, I would talk to his pediatrician adn see what they think.

mjkacmom
01-19-2010, 07:42 AM
Okay, this is a soapbox issue for me (as well as booster seats and puppy mills).

!. You usually see the pediatrician 15 minutes a year, and pediatricians are known to be the ST's nemesis.

2. If you ask for an evaluation, and your child qualifies, ST is in the best interest of the child (and there are more children needing services than there are therapists, so don't worry that they'll say your child needs ST even if he/she doesn't).

3. If you ask for an evaluation, and your child doesn't qualify, what a relief.

4. If you have your child evaluated, and he/she doesn't need ST, you've given up an hour of your time.

5. If you don't have your child evaluated, and it turns out, later on, that the child is not just a late talker, but has issues, you've not only wasted time, but valuable time, because ST works MUCH better and faster on younger children.

Jumping off.

Daddy_of_Princesses
01-19-2010, 08:08 AM
How much talking does the 4 yr old do for the younger one? If the older one speaks for the little guy, he has no reason to talk. It happens quite often where a older sibling speaks for the younger one so the younger learns he/she doesn't have to talk to get what they want.

My Mom insists I didn't start talking until I was four years old. I had four older sisters, and according to my Mom, all I had to do was point at something, and they would get it for me.

I wouldn't be overly concerned. Every child develops at a different pace. They will crawl when they decide it is time, will walk when they decide it is time, and talk when they decide it is time. Heck, they will even be potty trained when they decide it is time.

Tristen79
01-19-2010, 08:14 AM
She was doing a bit of talking prob 30-40 words at 12 mos, 200 or so by about 2 yrs and has gotten better and better.

I remember worrying about all the same things though and they just find it all in their own stride

eeyoremum
01-19-2010, 08:41 AM
DS15 did not speak until after his 3rd birthday. He then spoke in full sentences. It was almost like he was not going to utter a word until he could complete his thought. He is very quiet by nature and will only talk if he has something to say.

DS10 seems like he has been talking since the day he was born. Seriously, he had an undiagnosed milk allergy that caused him to scream 20 hours a day for the first 4 months of his life then he was talking. He talks or makes sounds, sings whatever all the time. To the point where we tell him it is okay to be silent once in a while.

puffkin
01-19-2010, 08:57 AM
I was concerned with DS. He was in a home daycare with 3 other kids that had a birthday within 1 week of each other. Crazy coincidence. They were all talking by their 2nd birthday, DS was saying about 10 words. He did babble a lot though.

I had him evaluated by EI and he barely qualififed for services but we did qualify which was great. He started meeting weekly with a ST (she came to our home) and after about 3 months a light just clicked. Literally from one Saturday to the next he went from speaking a word here or there to full adult sentences (like Mommy, can I have something to drink?). It was unbelievable and basically overnight. He did have some age appropriate pronunciation issues, but she worked with him for another 3 months or so to help his clarity. His last visit with the ST was the weekend before he turned 3. He is now almost 4 and has one of the most advanced vocabularies in his preschool class and is one of the clearest speakers.

Would he have gotten there on his own? I think he would have, but you just never know. I can tell you that I got a ton of peace of mind by having him go through the process. I just think I would have regretted it so much if we hadn't had him evaluated and an easy "fix" at 2 would have become a huge ordeal at 5. I wasn't willing to risk that!

SmallWorld71
01-19-2010, 09:35 AM
Actually, a gap between expressive language and receptive language is a red flag.

Agreed! DS14 had no problem with complex directions, just couldn't say a word. The bigger the gap, the more likely that there could be a disability and not just a delay.

Okay, this is a soapbox issue for me (as well as booster seats and puppy mills).

!. You usually see the pediatrician 15 minutes a year, and pediatricians are known to be the ST's nemesis.

2. If you ask for an evaluation, and your child qualifies, ST is in the best interest of the child (and there are more children needing services than there are therapists, so don't worry that they'll say your child needs ST even if he/she doesn't).

3. If you ask for an evaluation, and your child doesn't qualify, what a relief.

4. If you have your child evaluated, and he/she doesn't need ST, you've given up an hour of your time.

5. If you don't have your child evaluated, and it turns out, later on, that the child is not just a late talker, but has issues, you've not only wasted time, but valuable time, because ST works MUCH better and faster on younger children.

Jumping off.

Well, I don't give booster seats much thought. Maybe that's because all of mine are too big for regular car seats (including DD who is almost 7 and the tallest girl in her class) but otherwise, I will jump on your sopabox with you. As an elementary SPED teacher, I've seen too many parents wait and then regret it.

tttessa
01-19-2010, 09:59 AM
Hi - my 2 started talking early REALLY - really, really early (by 18months full 10+ word sentences) - and have not shut up since!!! So take some relief from the peace and quiet - it may not last long!!!!

But, seriously, I work at a school, and it still surprises me the variety in speech abilities between kids, up until about age 7.. Boys do seem slower than girls to speak intelligible sentences, some even start at school unable to string together more than 3 or 4 words at age 4 over here.... but once they get going, their vocabulary seems to grow overnight.

Remember Einstein didn't start to talk until past age 3! If there are no other concerns I would just provide encouragement through talking, asking direct questions etc, some families do not talk a lot, so some kids talk less than others... mmmmmmmm does that tell me something about my own talk habits, with my 2 chatterboxes - now aged 9 and 7!!!

Tessa

syudelson
01-19-2010, 10:01 AM
First of all, I think it never hurt to have them evaluated early, but until then don't worry too much because all kids are different. Cas in point:

My oldest daughter(8) spoke early with perfect pronunciation, was speaking in full sentences well before her second birthday and would parrot ANYTHING you asked her to say. She also spoke nonstop all the time(and still does to my chagrin).

My youngest daughter(20 months) speaks very well too - not quite as clearly as older sis did, but has a huge vocab and is stringing words together. But refuses to repeat something when asked, saying she's "all done".

My son (now 5) said mama and dada at 10mo then nothing for months, he slowly added a few words here and there, but rarely used them and NEVER would repeat a word, even if it was one I knew he knew. At 2, I had him evaluate because I was so worried, but he didn't qualify. At 2.5 his big sister went off to school and I swear, within a month not only he was speaking in full sentences, but also was speaking NONSTOP. Now, you'd never know he started late and when he's rambling on and on, we all just kind of look at each other in exasperation and say "and this if the child we thought would never talk."

katiegel
01-19-2010, 10:31 AM
Our DS is 12 1/2 mo old and his idea of talking is making truck noises...haha. We just had his 1 year checkup yesterday w/ the pedi. who said he was not concerned at all. DS can say "mama" and "dada" but we're not sure if he knows what they mean. Our pedi was more concerned with the fact that DS understands words versus saying them. And DS understands a lot! Which I suppose is ok. I wouldn't worry too much about it - all kids are different. According to my MIL (eh), DH only said "no" until he was 3. When he went to get tested the dr's decided he just didn't want to speak...so each child is different!

DW2010
01-19-2010, 10:37 AM
I think DD was a early talker. She said her first sentence at 18 months old and already had tons of words. BUT, it really does vary with kids.

dawminatrix
01-19-2010, 10:57 AM
my youngest DD didn't start talking until 2 years and 2 months old...she would hardly say anything, then my parents visited over July 4th, the day after they left...she just started babbling on and on!! - she's only been talking for 6 months...hard to believe how fast they learn!

PigletsMommy
01-19-2010, 11:06 AM
Just wanted to thank everyone for their responses...I read thru all the responses and there is great advice in here! I knew I would find it here!

For those that suggested his older brother talks for him... I'm going to start watching out for this and see if its part of the problem.

Someone mentioned tongue tied... I remember his mom saying something about it when he was born so I'm going to ask her again and make sure they had it clipped or if they need to get it done.

He does follow direction and respond accordingly. "Where's your cup?" He goes and gets and brings it to me. "Its time to go bye bye, go get your coat" and he goes to get it and brings it to me. So I know he understands what I ask...he just doesnt say much to respond.

His mom and I have talked about it. I know she is trying to work with him at home and I will continue encouraging him to talk here. I did suggest speech therapy the other day and she did not seem that concerned yet. So I will give him a few more months and if things don't change I might suggest it again. Thanks again for all the responses!:flower3:

Keri
01-19-2010, 11:40 AM
You know, with stuff like this I think both sides are correct:
1) kids really vary on when they start talking, and
2) it NEVER hurts to get an evaluation.

My 3 kids have all been VERY different when it comes to speech. DS had about 10 words on his first birthday, started walking & lost pretty much all of them, and then had TONS of words between 18 months and two, but refused to put them together at all. I remember the very painful process of getting him to say "more juice" or "down please" or whatever. Once he got 2, 3 wasn't as hard & then it clicked & he was speaking in sentences. But I know at 2 he was not putting words together, but that was the time we started really pressing him on it.

My second child was a girl, and since her brother was only 18 months older than her, she wanted to do everything he did. She was an earlier talker. About the same amount of words by 18 months, but she started putting them together much earlier and by 2 I know she was speaking in full sentences.

My third is 20 months. She just in the past few weeks has started putting some words together (Lanie school, coat on, mama cup, etc) and her vocabulary is really taking off. She's parroting more (though she's stubborn & often refuses!!) and singing/learning words to songs. But not that long ago, my husband was questioning whether she was talking enough.

ANyway, if it's worrysome, suggest an eval. Can't hurt anything, can only help :)

brergnat
01-19-2010, 02:50 PM
Remember Einstein didn't start to talk until past age 3!

Einstein is also thought to have had Autism...

I have a son with Autism as well as the one with the speech delay. My autistic son had ZERO receptive language delay, and only a mild expressive delay. Once he started talking, though, he had a HUGE vocabulary, mainly consisting of labels of things.

My speech delayed son also had NO issues with receptive language (could understand everything I said, and followed directions, etc.) He DID babble and had a couple words, but he is still diagnosed with Apraxia. The person who said that if the child babbles and has a couple words cannot have Apraxia is WRONG. Apraxia can cause a child to be able to say a word perfectly one time, and then "forget" how to say it later. It's a very complex disorder.

And, if my post "alarmed" you...good! That was my point. There is NO reason to "wait it out" when all these interventions and early screenings are FREE as well as the therapy (only until 3y/o, which is why it's extremely important to have a child evaluated at the FIRST sign of a problem).

I stand by my first post. This child should be evaluated. If it's nothing, then you can all breathe easy.

My biggest pet peeve is parents who don't get their children the help they need for fear of their child being "labeled." I equate that to child abuse...

jodifla
01-19-2010, 03:25 PM
Einstein is also thought to have had Autism...

I have a son with Autism as well as the one with the speech delay. My autistic son had ZERO receptive language delay, and only a mild expressive delay. Once he started talking, though, he had a HUGE vocabulary, mainly consisting of labels of things.

My speech delayed son also had NO issues with receptive language (could understand everything I said, and followed directions, etc.) He DID babble and had a couple words, but he is still diagnosed with Apraxia. The person who said that if the child babbles and has a couple words cannot have Apraxia is WRONG. Apraxia can cause a child to be able to say a word perfectly one time, and then "forget" how to say it later. It's a very complex disorder.

And, if my post "alarmed" you...good! That was my point. There is NO reason to "wait it out" when all these interventions and early screenings are FREE as well as the therapy (only until 3y/o, which is why it's extremely important to have a child evaluated at the FIRST sign of a problem).

I stand by my first post. This child should be evaluated. If it's nothing, then you can all breathe easy.

My biggest pet peeve is parents who don't get their children the help they need for fear of their child being "labeled." I equate that to child abuse...

Wow.

mjkacmom
01-19-2010, 03:39 PM
Einstein is also thought to have had Autism...

I have a son with Autism as well as the one with the speech delay. My autistic son had ZERO receptive language delay, and only a mild expressive delay. Once he started talking, though, he had a HUGE vocabulary, mainly consisting of labels of things.

My speech delayed son also had NO issues with receptive language (could understand everything I said, and followed directions, etc.) He DID babble and had a couple words, but he is still diagnosed with Apraxia. The person who said that if the child babbles and has a couple words cannot have Apraxia is WRONG. Apraxia can cause a child to be able to say a word perfectly one time, and then "forget" how to say it later. It's a very complex disorder.

And, if my post "alarmed" you...good! That was my point. There is NO reason to "wait it out" when all these interventions and early screenings are FREE as well as the therapy (only until 3y/o, which is why it's extremely important to have a child evaluated at the FIRST sign of a problem).

I stand by my first post. This child should be evaluated. If it's nothing, then you can all breathe easy.

My biggest pet peeve is parents who don't get their children the help they need for fear of their child being "labeled." I equate that to child abuse...

My sister's ds with apraxia can say a word perfectly, and then totally different the next time he says it. It's a tough road, but with excellent outcomes with therapy. I agree with you - what is the harm of an evaluation? There is harm in waiting, however, if there is a problem. Why wait and see? It's crazy. Even my sister's DH didn't want to have his kids evaluated. I'd hate to see where they'd be now if they waited.

Disneylvr
01-19-2010, 04:38 PM
My sister's ds with apraxia can say a word perfectly, and then totally different the next time he says it. It's a tough road, but with excellent outcomes with therapy. I agree with you - what is the harm of an evaluation? There is harm in waiting, however, if there is a problem. Why wait and see? It's crazy. Even my sister's DH didn't want to have his kids evaluated. I'd hate to see where they'd be now if they waited.

AMEN!!!! There IS harm in waiting. No one ever wants to believe there might be something wrong with their child but it is best to error on the side of getting the child early intervention than to not to seek help at all. My daughter has autism, I speak from experience. And guess who noticed the delays and signs first?? OUR DAYCARE PROVIDER AND FRIEND!!!!! Thank God she did.

jodifla
01-19-2010, 05:56 PM
I mean...REALLY talking?

I watch my friend's boys 3 times a week. They are 4 and 22 months. The youngest is not talking much. My friend and I have talked about it and I know she is a little concerned. I try throughout the day to get him to repeat my words but he just stares at me. What he does say is mumbles or "baby talk". He has momma, dadda, juice, cookie, ball...all those type words down but some are pretty hard to understand. Like water sounds kind of like "wal-la wal-la wal-la".

I try really hard not to compare our children but my child is my main experience. Other than babysitting when I was a teen. DD is 14 months old and has quite a few words. Becoming a little parrot.

Should he be putting words together by now and making short sentences? I'm just wondering because I don't see him trying much. Like right now...he is waking from his nap and I go in and ask if he wants up...he shakes his head yes...I say "say UP" and he just looks at me. Does anyone have any suggestions on what to do? Any experiences? Should we (his parents and myself as a babysitter) just let it go?

We know what he wants but he just wont talk.

There is a wide range that's normal in speech.

That being said, there's a lot to you and his mom can do as well. Check out Dr. Jim McDonald's web site Communicating Partners

http://jamesdmacdonald.org/Articles/MacDonaldStart.html

Parents and caregivers spend the most time with kids and can be their best speech therapists. His site has lots and lots of free tips.

If the child has good receptive speech, that's great. Studies show that about 60 percent of kids with an expressive lag only catch up by kindergarten without much in the way of intervention. Receptive deficits are much more difficult to overcome.

And should the mom have her child evaluated, well, let's just say there are good and bad evaluators out there. A parent has to be a very careful consumer. There are good and bad speech therapists as well. I know several moms who pulled their kids out of speech because the therapists were making matters worse.

deerhart
01-19-2010, 08:35 PM
My biggest pet peeve is parents who don't get their children the help they need for fear of their child being "labeled." I equate that to child abuse...

I see this all the time in my ADHD groups. They are so worried having their kids labeled SPED or AHD or whatever and we usually respond, well that's better then the OTHER labels the child is going to get

lazy, naughty, defiant, trouble, goof off etc.. :rolleyes1

KateMW
01-19-2010, 08:51 PM
Kids are different. Some kids talk later, some sooner. Some children just aren't parrots. DD didn't talk much until later but she's coming out with complete sentences, not just repeated words. I'd only be concerned if the child's pediatrician is.

Exactly. My DD didn't talk very much at all until she was 2, but then she started full force in sentences and at 4, she was tested for entrance to school and she had a 6-7 year old vocab, so I think she caught up. ;) I worried and worried, but my ped was always calm and didn't freak out. :lmao: Turns out she really knew what she was talking about!

Kriii
01-19-2010, 09:20 PM
I'd have the child evaluated by an SLP for an objective and professional opinion. Most pediatricians have next to no training re: speech and language development, so I wouldn't necessarily rely on their opinions only. Opinions from strangers on the DIS aren't really a valid basis for a decision. There are some red flags in the OPs description but you can't know for sure without the evaluation. It's easier to correct the problem if caught early and the outcome is often better. I'm an SLP. Trust me, we have such a demand for our services that we won't recommend any services that aren't really necessary. Good luck.