New TSA Rules for flying into US

[2gr8DisneyKids]

As an American who was in DC for 9/11 with a husband who felt and saw the Pentagon get hit out his office window, I am frustrated at the latest bit from TSA. I get the desire to "strengthen" the rules after what happened on Christmas with the NWA flight, but the fact of the matter is that he should have had his Visa revoked after being placed on the known terrorist list. Something no amount of airport screening could prevent.

The new rule that all passengers on all International flights to the US are required to remain seated for the last hour with no access to carry on luggage or have anything on their laps confounds me. What am I to do with my kids (2 and 6) on our flights?

Also, DH was at YUL today to get a ticket for his father with a voucher and was told that some airlines are only allowing diapers and small purses as carry ons and it was up to TSA to determine of your purse was too big... with no set size limit.

I wonder if I can switch my flights to out of BTV with no fees for the flight in March since DD has food allergies and needs to have Pediasure (by prescription) as a meal option for flights and no liquids (including formula) are allowed right now.

Mostly I feel bad for the families traveling home now who have no real idea of what to expect when they get to the airport.

[weewuvvdisney]

I find that as soon as something happens, it's full alert. Then it subsides until the next time.

We should have system that is effective - all of the time.... Not just when something happens.

I agree, why was this man allowed to fly???

I agree with your statement about families that are travelling right now.

It seems that everything depends on where you are flying from/to and with which airline. They all seem to have different rules. It should be the same throughout the industry.

Scary world we live in.




Jan

[dsneygirl]

I find that as soon as something happens, it's full alert. Then it subsides until the next time.

We should have system that is effective - all of the time.... Not just when something happens.

I agree, why was this man allowed to fly???

I agree with your statement about families that are travelling right now.

It seems that everything depends on where you are flying from/to and with which airline. They all seem to have different rules. It should be the same throughout the industry.

Scary world we live in.




Jan
The thing about staying in your seat and nothing on your lap for the last hour makes no sense to me. This guy could have just as easily as done this half way across the ocean. Amsterdam to Detroit is one hell of a long flight.

[princess pooh]

The new rules sound really silly and ineffective. I'm flying with my 2 year old next month and the flight is going to be hell if these rules are in place.

[Cdn Gal]

This is not good.:sad2: This is the first that I have heard about this. This doesn't count though if you cross the border and fly out of the US does it??

[wannago2disney]

WOW:confused3 I am soooo glad we fly out of Detroit. My BIL is flying from London, ON though so I am going to pass this info on to him. I wonder if he will just change his flight to leave out of Detroit instead, just to avoid all this. He is 6'4"....I don't think sitting in a cramped area without being able to stand up and stretch every little while is going to work for him.

[pxlbarrel]

Believe it or not, that "no moving" in the last hour has been done before (more or less). A couple of months after 9/11, I flew down to Baltimore on Air Canada. We were told as we got closer Baltimore that nobody was allowed to get up from their seats for the last hour. And boy...the flight attendants were really forceful about it. Some guy at the back got up and the flight attendant, sitting in her jump seat the front, YELLED at the man to get back in his seat. It was truly a bizarre ride. It never happened again. But then again, at this time, they were special screening luggage going into the Washington/Baltimore area too.

[tone.def]

It takes one idiot to ruin everything for the rest of the world.

I don't think our world is scary per say - the morons have more tools at their fingertips to screw with the rest of us.

[CR Resort Fan 4 Life]

Mostly I feel bad for the families traveling home now who have no real idea of what to expect when they get to the airport.Well this Thursday my family and I are flying home from Tampa - Toronto and while I am sure there will be extra security when going through the TSA screening, since were flying back to Canada how much extra security are we going to see once were at the gate in Tampa?

[monkeyknuckler]

First the shoe bomber (now we all have to take off our shoes), then this ******* with explosives in his pants (they'll be patting down our legs).... I hope for everyone's sake that the next nutjob doesn't try to ignite explosives hidden in his bum. That would make security screening a lot more unpleasant.:sad2:

[amberg@eastlink.ca]

so heres the latest i heard on tonites news- no carry on at all!!!! with the exception of small diaper bags adn small purses.


my big concerns i have ulcerative colitis- and for those of you that have a bowel disease know when you gotta go you gotta go! no exceptions. dd is 4 and potty trained...am i supposed to stop her from drinking and eating to prevent an accident? dh's thouhgts on both of these is to just go ahead and soil ourselves! lol


also im sure many people have heard of deep leg thrombosis and the only way to prevent this is getting up stretch your legs.

another thing if we cant take anything on the plane- what about all the stores after teh security points- will they shut these stores down?

finally i have to laugh. on october 8th the day we left mco. we had poured milk into our drink containers for the kids. i was going to toss them- dollar store variety- and just forgot. they went through security check point in our carryons and no one said boo.

[hcoker1]

Just heard an update on CBC: carryons are now allowed, but only one bag per person (NOT a small suitcase), passangers are allowed to get up and move, the movies are back. The only thing not back to normal is the maps and the captain announcing where the plane is (ex: look out the window, we are flying over the Grand Canyon).
Phew, I was getting worried, I can't make an hour without a bathroom (unless I dehydrate myself for a day before hand!)

[2gr8DisneyKids]

This is not good.:sad2: This is the first that I have heard about this. This doesn't count though if you cross the border and fly out of the US does it??

Officially, it should be easier if you cross the border, but it is not guaranteed. You should not have as much screening, but the lines will still be long and some of the carry-on issues might still exist...

[2gr8DisneyKids]

Well this Thursday my family and I are flying home from Tampa - Toronto and while I am sure there will be extra security when going through the TSA screening, since were flying back to Canada how much extra security are we going to see once were at the gate in Tampa?

Should not have all the hoops as you are leaving the US, but if you are AC they are keeping things pretty tight and might not be too fun for you.

I would assume none at the gate as I think it is only flights TO the US that have the pat-down at the gate, but things are so up in the air I might assume nothing.

Have a safe and relatively easy flight home.

[2gr8DisneyKids]

First the shoe bomber (now we all have to take off our shoes), then this ******* with explosives in his pants (they'll be patting down our legs).... I hope for everyone's sake that the next nutjob doesn't try to ignite explosives hidden in his bum. That would make security screening a lot more unpleasant.:sad2:

LOL!!!! :rotfl2:

Thank you for the laugh!

[2gr8DisneyKids]

WOW:confused3 I am soooo glad we fly out of Detroit. My BIL is flying from London, ON though so I am going to pass this info on to him. I wonder if he will just change his flight to leave out of Detroit instead, just to avoid all this. He is 6'4"....I don't think sitting in a cramped area without being able to stand up and stretch every little while is going to work for him.

Detroit might not be much bette since they were the destination airport of the flight... Same thing happened with Logan after 9/11 and things are still tight as can be into/out of National.

[Tantor]

Actually I welcome the carry-on restrictions.....some of the dstuff people were bringing on as carry-ons were ridiculous. I would end up having to put my small carryon no where near my seat because of these hgue carry ons.

[damo]

I'm not happy with the carry-on restrictions. When we travel we try not to use the normal luggage pick-up to save time/theft/damage/loss.

[bunnyfoo]

I'm not happy with the carry-on restrictions. When we travel we try not to use the normal luggage pick-up to save time/theft/damage/loss.

I know TC is putting that rule in place because they're short staffed and it's time consuming to check every carry on bag. But don't they realize that people put emergency clothing in carry ons in case luggage gets lost or delayed. I also can't imagine having to check camera gear. That would be a nightmare.

[photomama]

Good Luck - after spending 5 hours at the Montréal airport Sunday, and another 6 in the air. Instead of getting home at 11pm we got home at 2:30 am MST which really felt like 4:30a EST for us.. All delays were caused from this new travel advisory in the US - terrorist SUCK!

We were not even traveling to the US but from Montréal to Calgary BUT our plane was coming from the US... Such a pleasure to fly these days:sad2:!

[CR Resort Fan 4 Life]

Should not have all the hoops as you are leaving the US, but if you are AC they are keeping things pretty tight and might not be too fun for you.

I would assume none at the gate as I think it is only flights TO the US that have the pat-down at the gate, but things are so up in the air I might assume nothing.

Have a safe and relatively easy flight home.Thank you and for the record were flying WestJet.

[photomama]

Thank you and for the record were flying WestJet.

I would plan on delays, our Westjet flight was coming from Florida and was quite delayed. Read my post above..

[CR Resort Fan 4 Life]

I would plan on delays, our Westjet flight was coming from Florida and was quite delayed. Read my post above..Well all I can say is hopefully we will have better luck, but all my family and I can do is arrive at the Tampa Airport early enough and hope all goes well on our end until our flight arrives there.

[dennise]

That also means that if we check our carry on we will be charged for another bag with most airlines. I guess that means it will be more expensive to fly.:confused::sad1:::confused3

[angela1044]

Here are links to the details of what you can take and can't take in case anyone is wondering.

Traveling from Canada to the US

http://www.gtaa.com/en/news/torontopearson_today/details/712fdb8f-eea6-428b-883d-0a4a379dc48c

Traveling in the US

http://www.tsa.gov/press/happenings/dec25_guidance.shtm

Thankfully we are flying out of Buffalo so things should be a little easier. Plus, I'm sure things will settle down a bit by the time we leave in February. Right now, I can imagine it's pretty crazy.

[pxlbarrel]

That also means that if we check our carry on we will be charged for another bag with most airlines. I guess that means it will be more expensive to fly.:confused::sad1:::confused3

I believe Air Canada has said that they're going to waive charging of the 2nd AND 3rd bags because of the no-carry on rule... at least for now.

[2gr8DisneyKids]

That also means that if we check our carry on we will be charged for another bag with most airlines. I guess that means it will be more expensive to fly.:confused::sad1:::confused3
WestJet & AC have both waived their additional baggage fees, but I do not think the US carriers have.

[2gr8DisneyKids]

I know TC is putting that rule in place because they're short staffed and it's time consuming to check every carry on bag. But don't they realize that people put emergency clothing in carry ons in case luggage gets lost or delayed. I also can't imagine having to check camera gear. That would be a nightmare.

I know what u mean, we put a change of clothes in for the kids incase there is an accident of some sort.

[Sue M]

Soooooo glad now that we are making the drive down to Seattle to fly. It's worth it for the 3 hr drive and overnight hotel.

[CR Resort Fan 4 Life]

I was thinking today while I understand the need for all the extra security screening and questions at US Customs in the various Canadian Airports, does anyone think it's going a bit to far? I mean if it's going to take 4 - 5 hours to complete all that then no one will want to fly from Canada to the United States. In 2001 when Richard Reid tried to light that bomb in his shoe he was flying from Paris to Miami and we all know during the most recent attempt it was another flight from Europe to the United States. So shouldn't there be extra security in the Airports across Europe since no one has tried this when going through any of the Airports in Canada.

[Sue M]

I think it's a bit of a knee jerk reaction myself. I think or hope they will find some better solutions that work.
And not being allowed carry on? yikes. Sorry, but I just don't like showing up at a destination with only a small purse. If airlines handled luggage better(less rough) and there weren't thefts, and our luggage actually arrived at the same time we did, there wouldn't be as big a need for carry on.
I sat at a gate watching the luggage truck drive up to the aircraft, with luggage flying out the sides of the truck onto the ground. I went up to gate agent and told her that the truck was loosing luggage, and she said to me, don't worry, there will be another truck along to pick up the fallen pieces :eek:

I always put breakable objects in carry on-hair dryer, DVD player, camera,
and a change of clothes, bathing suit, and jammies, for all the times I don't get my luggage when I arrive!

Will not fly from Canada if i can help it. The drive to Seattle is only 3 hrs for me. Cheaper too!

[fan1080]

I was thinking today while I understand the need for all the extra security screening and questions at US Customs in the various Canadian Airports, does anyone think it's going a bit to far? I mean if it's going to take 4 - 5 hours to complete all that then no one will want to fly from Canada to the United States. In 2001 when Richard Reid tried to light that bomb in his shoe he was flying from Paris to Miami and we all know during the most recent attempt it was another flight from Europe to the United States. So shouldn't there be extra security in the Airports across Europe since no one has tried this when going through any of the Airports in Canada.

Despite what many people believe, terrorists are not idiots. If there is a weak spot in security, they will find it and use it to their benefit.

[Cdn Gal]

This also means for us that I won't be using my airmiles for flights to the US b/c there is no way that I want to stay on board for an extra hour. :confused3 I bet that there will be more Cdns that drive across now. Hmmm, if I can figure this out, that probably means a terrorist will be able to figure it out too. I wonder if travel within the States is going to be beefed up too? :surfweb:

[pxlbarrel]

Up until now I was loathe to drive down to Florida, mainly because I'm usually the only driver and driving that long will have us ending up in a ditch somewhere cause I've fallen asleep.

However, with all this mess, it's got me thinking that next time, we'll just make a road trip out of it and I'll have to learn to tolerate somebody else driving my car when I want to rest. :rotfl:

But then again, THAT's MY knee jerk reaction to this. LOL

I'm just glad I flew the week before Christmas now.

[Sue M]

This also means for us that I won't be using my airmiles for flights to the US b/c there is no way that I want to stay on board for an extra hour. :confused3 I bet that there will be more Cdns that drive across now. Hmmm, if I can figure this out, that probably means a terrorist will be able to figure it out too. I wonder if travel within the States is going to be beefed up too? :surfweb:

We are flying SW, in 3 weeks, I just phoned them yesterday, and so far they haven't any different restrictions then they had before. Still allowed same carry on, etc.

[OntFamily]

I was thinking today while I understand the need for all the extra security screening and questions at US Customs in the various Canadian Airports, does anyone think it's going a bit to far? I mean if it's going to take 4 - 5 hours to complete all that then no one will want to fly from Canada to the United States. In 2001 when Richard Reid tried to light that bomb in his shoe he was flying from Paris to Miami and we all know during the most recent attempt it was another flight from Europe to the United States. So shouldn't there be extra security in the Airports across Europe since no one has tried this when going through any of the Airports in Canada.

The new security restrictions are not only on flights from Canada to the USA. They are for all flights flying into the USA from any country, including European countries.

[Cdn Friends of Pooh]

Apparently the new flight restrictions have been lifted - http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/12/28/national/main6030609.shtml?tag=stack

[pampam]

It will be interesting to see how other news media report it. This article seemed to say the pilot lifted the restrictions, not the government agencies.

[pxlbarrel]

Apparently the new flight restrictions have been lifted - http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/12/28/national/main6030609.shtml?tag=stack


That news is actually a few days old now. The restrictions on carry on luggage still remains for Canadians flying into the U.S. as of this morning.

[tiggerrr]

The new security restrictions are not only on flights from Canada to the USA. They are for all flights flying into the USA from any country, including European countries.

But the ban on carry-on is a Canada-only situation. The TSA has not banned carry on luggage for flights into the USA. European travellers can still take carry on baggage. What is required is a hand search of all carry on bags for passengers flying to the US.

Canada has chosen to handle this by banning carry on bags to speed up the time it takes to get everyone through security and on board. Other countries/airlines are choosing to do the hand search instead. United Airlines probably shows the differences best.
http://www.united.com/page/article/0,6867,53307,00.html

Other Links
http://news.beatthebrochure.com/Transatlantic-Flights-Face-Extra-Security-Checks-2009122817352439.html

http://www.britishairways.com/travel/flightops/public/en_gb?p_faqid=3939

[papertraveller]

Even if you are driving across to a U.S. airport, be sure to leave plenty of time. We crossed at Fort Erie the other day into Buffalo, and while it took a lot of time, we also saw car searches that we haven't seen in years. This included pulling an entire family out of a van, marching them across the parking lot under supervision of five customs/immigration officers, while a sixth went back and drove their vehicle to a parking area.

[CR Resort Fan 4 Life]

Someone my dad does business with said this past Sunday his family which included 8 Grandchildren were to fly to from Toronto - Florida (I forget which specific city) and the line up at US Customs and the security screening was going to take at least 5 - 6 hours, so they ended up missing their flight that day. Then Air Canada tells him they had no available seats for 5 days, so they ended up canceling their whole vacation.

[joandegennaro]

Its interesting to me how they put these restrictions on all international flight into the US. Please correct me if my memory is wrong but didn't the 9/11 flights originate from US airports and not flights from other countries. How does the Dept of Homeland Security justify adding all these restrictions on international flights and let domestic flights get away without increase security on them. Please, if someone is aware of increase security on domestic flights in the US let me know.

What I do know of flights leave MCO to Canada is...they love to pull aside my 6'3" bald Disney T-shirt and sweater wearing husband for the full search. He travels with DW,DD11 and DD17. Why is he their favorite target? Not once in the last 3 years traveling to Disney has he gotten by security without being flaged.

[CR Resort Fan 4 Life]

Its interesting to me how they put these restrictions on all international flight into the US. Please correct me if my memory is wrong but didn't the 9/11 flights originate from US airports and not flights from other countries. How does the Dept of Homeland Security justify adding all these restrictions on international flights and let domestic flights get away without increase security on them. Please, if someone is aware of increase security on domestic flights in the US let me know.You are correct that the flights on 9/11 did originate from US airports, however I think it's Transport Canada that is making these new restrictions for flying into United States from Canadian Airports.

[joandegennaro]

You are correct that the flights on 9/11 did originate from US airports, however I think it's Transport Canada that is making these new restrictions for flying into United States from Canadian Airports.

When I fly from Toronto I go from the ticket counter to US customs...from that point on I am considered "In the US" it is after US customs that I go through security therefore it is under US laws and regulations. Transport Canada has no authority there.

[CR Resort Fan 4 Life]

When I fly from Toronto I go from the ticket counter to US customs...from that point on I am considered "In the US" it is after US customs that I go through security therefore it is under US laws and regulations. Transport Canada has no authority there.Well I can see why you would think that and etc, which does make sense. However how come when we heard about these new rules it was made by Transport Canada and not the TSA?

[pxlbarrel]

Well I can see why you would think that and etc, which does make sense. However how come when we heard about these new rules it was made by Transport Canada and not the TSA?

Because you're right.

While you may be considered "in the U.S.", security is still run by Transport Canada or CATSU as are the shops, restaurants, etc that are beyond the Customs and Immigration checkpoints. That's why the RCMP are still the authority in the airport, even past the checkpoints. You don't see the FBI or TSA in our airports, do you?

Transport Canada is implementing the "no carry on" rule strictly so that they can get through all the extra security that the TSA wants in place - like hand searching of carry on and pat downs and secondary search at the gates. By restricting the carry on to only items like cameras, laptop, etc, they can get through the masses faster. That's all the "no carry on" rule is all about. It's not about them thinking you're smuggling something on board the carry on, it's all about trying to process as many people through security as they can and still maintain the level of security that TSA wants for all flights heading into the United States. They believe that the only way to do this is to limit the carry on. I guess searching through somebody's rollerbag of clothes can be more time consuming that going through somebody's laptop bag.

Hopefully, some sanity will prevail soon and they'll figure another way of processing so many people without having to resort to this measure again.

[CR Resort Fan 4 Life]

Because you're right.

While you may be considered "in the U.S.", security is still run by Transport Canada or CATSU as are the shops, restaurants, etc that are beyond the Customs and Immigration checkpoints. That's why the RCMP are still the authority in the airport, even past the checkpoints. You don't see the FBI or TSA in our airports, do you?

Transport Canada is implementing the "no carry on" rule strictly so that they can get through all the extra security that the TSA wants in place - like hand searching of carry on and pat downs and secondary search at the gates. By restricting the carry on to only items like cameras, laptop, etc, they can get through the masses faster. That's all the "no carry on" rule is all about. It's not about them thinking you're smuggling something on board the carry on, it's all about trying to process as many people through security as they can and still maintain the level of security that TSA wants for all flights heading into the United States. They believe that the only way to do this is to limit the carry on. I guess searching through somebody's rollerbag of clothes can be more time consuming that going through somebody's laptop bag.

Hopefully, some sanity will prevail soon and they'll figure another way of processing so many people without having to resort to this measure again.Thanks for confirming what I thought because it did seem weird that the TSA can control how security is done at Canadian Airports, even though passengers cleared US Customs but were not officially inside the United States.

[tiggerrr]

When I fly from Toronto I go from the ticket counter to US customs...from that point on I am considered "In the US" it is after US customs that I go through security therefore it is under US laws and regulations. Transport Canada has no authority there.

Just as a clarification, after you go through US customs you are not "in the US" in any way. You are not subject to any US laws or regulations. You are still in Canada and subject to Canadian laws. This is why they actually call the customs procedure "USA Pre-Clearance".

I think the other pp explained how that results in CATSA, RCMP still being in charge.

[LSmith]

Just as a clarification, after you go through US customs you are not "in the US" in any way. You are not subject to any US laws or regulations. You are still in Canada and subject to Canadian laws. This is why they actually call the customs procedure "USA Pre-Clearance".

I think the other pp explained how that results in CATSA, RCMP still being in charge.

True, you are not considered in the USA in any way, shape or form just because you cleared customs at a Canadian airport.

Peel Region are the full police response and enforcement now at Pearson. I think though it used to be the RCMP. Not sure but they may still have an attachment there.

[CR Resort Fan 4 Life]

Here is a link with all the information about United States border preclearance.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_border_preclearance

[joandegennaro]

Just as a clarification, after you go through US customs you are not "in the US" in any way. You are not subject to any US laws or regulations. You are still in Canada and subject to Canadian laws. This is why they actually call the customs procedure "USA Pre-Clearance".

I was told by security that I was considered in the US. Thanks for the correct info.

[QUOTE=CR Resort Fan 4 Life;34876769]Thanks for confirming what I thought because it did seem weird that the TSA can control how security is done at Canadian Airports, even though passengers cleared US Customs but were not officially inside the United States.

The no carry-on rule was put in place to speed people through since the new TSA rules required carry-on bag checks as well as body pat downs prior to boarding the plane at the busiest travel time of the year. This would then be TSA rules affecting how security is done at Canadian airports.

I get that I was misinformed about being considered in the US but it still is the U.S. telling our airports how they want security handled for flights coming from Canadan to the States.

My question still is are they taking the same measures for flights within the U.S? Especially since the 9/11 flights originated in the U.S. I get the feeling that the Dept. of Homeland Security thinks the weaknesses in security is comming from other countries is the problem. Lets not forget how they went on and on about how the 9/11 atackers entered from Canada in the days following the attacks. It seemed as though they had that Blame Canada thing going. No one questioned how they got passed the U.S customs at the boarders ( not sure if they entered from the unmaned borders) or how they were allowed to even get on the planes in the first place.

I know alot of Canadian's who travel to the nearest U.S airport to avoid all the extra security measures put on international flights.This is where I question how the TSA has improved/increased security on domestic travel.

[CR Resort Fan 4 Life]

My question still is are they taking the same measures for flights within the U.S? Especially since the 9/11 flights originated in the U.S. I get the feeling that the Dept. of Homeland Security thinks the weaknesses in security is comming from other countries is the problem. Lets not forget how they went on and on about how the 9/11 atackers entered from Canada in the days following the attacks. It seemed as though they had that Blame Canada thing going. No one questioned how they got passed the U.S customs at the boarders ( not sure if they entered from the unmaned borders) or how they were allowed to even get on the planes in the first place.I think these new measures are only done for those people flying out of the United States to other countries, because I remember hearing that passengers flying within the United States are not subject to them. Now they were started today because last Thursday when my family and I flew home from Tampa - Toronto, we didn't go through any extra security checks at the WestJet gate in Tampa before we would board our flight.

I also remember how the US claimed that the 9/11 hijackers entered through Canada, which would be our fault for letting them into Canada if that was true. However since that was proven to be false it would be the fault of the US Customs agent for letting them into the United States.

Also it's funny that back in late 1999 how that US Customs guard stopped the Millennium Bomber and gave credit to them. However can you imagine what would have happened if they let him get through, since he was coming through Canada and eventually they would somehow blame us. So while it's great he was stopped and etc, it's times like that when they don't mind taking the credit if you know what I am trying to say.

[pxlbarrel]

True, you are not considered in the USA in any way, shape or form just because you cleared customs at a Canadian airport.

Peel Region are the full police response and enforcement now at Pearson. I think though it used to be the RCMP. Not sure but they may still have an attachment there.

You're quite right, it's Peel Region cops now, not the RCMP. I was stuck in a time warp. :rotfl2:

[Tinkermom76]

I'm not flying now till next December so hopefully it will be lifted by then, if not I can still bring my laptop and camera and a small purse with my documents in it and I guess the kids will have to wear their bathing suit under their clothes. It won't matter as long as we are going to Disney. And for us Westjet has TV's in the backs of the seats so my kids don't move during the flight at all.

my question is what do they consider items to care for small children? Can they bring a DS or colouring book and crayons for the long stay in the airport?

[joandegennaro]

I think these new measures are only done for those people flying out of the United States to other countries, because I remember hearing that passengers flying within the United States are not subject to them. Now they were started today because last Thursday when my family and I flew home from Tampa - Toronto, we didn't go through any extra security checks at the WestJet gate in Tampa before we would board our flight.

I also remember how the US claimed that the 9/11 hijackers entered through Canada, which would be our fault for letting them into Canada if that was true. However since that was proven to be false it would be the fault of the US Customs agent for letting them into the United States.

Also it's funny that back in late 1999 how that US Customs guard stopped the Millennium Bomber and gave credit to them. However can you imagine what would have happened if they let him get through, since he was coming through Canada and eventually they would somehow blame us. So while it's great he was stopped and etc, it's times like that when they don't mind taking the credit if you know what I am trying to say.

I know exactly what you are saying. It's only our fault if something goes wrong, but if they stop something from happening then it's all pats on the backs for the U.S.

If security is left as is domesticly don't they think that the people responsible for all these act of terror are going to pick up on that. They figured out how to highjack planes, and get explosives past security at international airports. Does anyone else think that the TSA is leaving a door open for those people looking to do harm? They also said that they will be concentrating on people traveling from certain countries. Does this me anyone traveling with a passport from one of these countries or just actually traveling from one of these countries? Isn't this a bit off the mark too. Wasn't the Fort Hood killer an American? Didn't he become involed with Al Quida. What was to stop him from getting on a Domestic flight? Shouldn't security today be standard and across the board in all airports both internationaly and domesticly?

I'm beinging to think that those full body scans (while embarassing and nothing is left to the imagination) may be the only way to ensure safety. I think I would prefer to know I and my family are safe rather than be concerned about my privacy. It would be fine if only security was able to view and it wasn't exposed to everyone.

Anyone else want to give their opinion?

[CR Resort Fan 4 Life]

I know exactly what you are saying. It's only our fault if something goes wrong, but if they stop something from happening then it's all pats on the backs for the U.S.And I like I said before even though someone might think to blame us, the real blame would still be with the Customs agent who didn't notice anything suspicious and let them enter the United States. So that's what really upsets me in situations like that.

[Tinkermom76]

I'm beinging to think that those full body scans (while embarassing and nothing is left to the imagination) may be the only way to ensure safety. I think I would prefer to know I and my family are safe rather than be concerned about my privacy. It would be fine if only security was able to view and it wasn't exposed to everyone.

Anyone else want to give their opinion?

I agree, and i heard on the news that they are coming to Canada. I am ok with them scanning me