Vero Beach- Why more resales?

[lizziepooh]

It seems like there are more Vero Beach resales listed than any other DVC resorts. Does anyone have ideas on why? Just curious.

[Cap]

Perhaps the people who bought at VB (at lower cost) thinking they could just book into OKW, or Boardwalk at the 7 month window are realizing they can't always get in. Or perhaps people don't like the dues now that they aren't being subsidized as much.

[Richyams]

Either and both...maybe even a little resentment for being fooled into buying there.

[PamOKW]

I haven't looked at the resale board to know how true the statement is, but I agree with Cap's reasons why it could be so and can think of a few more. As stated, some people may have bought Vero just as a way to stay at Disney and may now have decided to sell. There was a pretty big bump in the dues this year when the subsidy was dropped and the cost may be prohibitive to some. Two other reasons, are the age of the Vero resort....the lifestyle changes are kicking in marriage, divorce, death, etc. that sometimes necessitate a sale. And, another reason why you may see more on the resale boards, it probably takes longer to make a Vero sale so the inventory stays around longer than a WDW DVC causing a "back-up" in the amount for sale.

[luckytso]

I think it is mainly on price. Disney offers Magic Beginnong for $15 which brings down the price per point to $65 or $60 depending on when you made the committment. With that, in my case, a Dec. use year, I still have 2002's points available to me, after MB.

At either $60 or $65 with no additional closing cost, the flexible financing (cash or financing, check or credit card, etc.), plus you can make reservations right away, it makes the resale not very attractive at all.

[Richyams]

Unfortunately, what people don't realize is that they are being lied to by most Disney DVC sales staff. They don't figure this out until too late. The lower up front cost is very quickly eaten up by the highest dues of any DVC resort. They all of a sudden realize that their DVC sales person's pitch:

"Buy at VB, the MB is better making the upfront lower and you can stay at any DVC resort you want to, most reservations are made within six months, so the seven month window is no hinderance at all."

Simply said, buying points at VB intended mainly for use at WDW is a mistake. People are realizing the magnitude of the lies they were told to fool them into buying and are now selling.

Unless someone has been fooled by their salesperson into believeing that Home Resort doesn't matter, a $75 resale at an onsite DVC resort is a far better deal than $60-65 through Disney......if you intend to use the points mostly at WDW.

If your intent is to spend most of your vacations at VB, owning there is the best thing you can do, while the dues are rather high, the resort is beautiful and full of those Disney touches that we all find so compelling.

If your intent is to spend most of your vacations at WDW, VB at any price is a poor deal...people are realizing this and selling...I still think there may be some resentment from being lied to by DVC sales staff.

[sanmc12]

When we purchased at VB we didn't feel like we were being fooled at all. We were given all the options for all the resorts and made the best choice for us. As far as booking at the 11 month window at other rsorts, yes it's a bit more work but with a little effort we have always been able to get what we wanted.

[luckytso]

Ultimately, the price is determined by supply and demand. However, since most people, I assume, buy VB as an add-on, to get a few days at VB sporadically. Therefore, people don't need many points there.

Buying from Disney, you can also choose both the use year and the # of points you want, it is hard to beat with this type of flexibility and pricing. Worst yet, the resales generally have at least 150 points or more which are much more than what most people need for VB.

I was talking to a resale broker the other day and she was really complaining about Disney's pricing of VB to make VB's owner not be able to sell. She feels Disney is doing a dis-service to VB's owners.

Hopefully, once VB is sold out, things will be better for VB's sellers.

[Richyams]

Many were fooled, many were lied to. You may have had an honest salesperson, but we have heard from MANY people here that part of the sales pitch they heard included:

"Most reservations are made less than six months out, the seven month window is meaningless, you can stay where ever you want"

This is clearly a lie.

I sat through a presentation for HH and was told the same lie.

I feel sorry for those that fell for that lie, I feel even sorrier about how fast those savings were eaten up with the highest dues of any DVC resort.

I am glad it is working out for you.

Do you use it mainly for WDW vacations or VB vacations?

I think VB bought for mainly vacationing at DVC is a very bad idea....even looking at resales, you can find an on-site resale, maybe a little more than the unwanted VB, but any savings would very quickly be eaten up with those dues....to say nothing of the fact that you will be forced to only use the seven month window, this makes your vacations harder to plan and there are many types(size unit and time of year) that are completely or nearly impossible to get at seven months.

The savings(that will quickly be eaten up by the highest dues of any DVC resort) are not worth being forced to deal with the seven month window.

Everyone says "Buy where you plan to stay most" for a reason, it is actually the one thing we all agree on.

[ripleysmom]

Uh Rich....you did see the part that said that VB on the resale market is almost the same price as buying from Disney with MB right?

You think that no one wants to sell OKW, BWV or VWL or even HH for that matter? No. The reason the resales are still there is because it doesn't pay someone to buy it resale. I know I prefer to deal with Disney and I'll bet a lot of other people do too.

And finally don't forget people can find a ressie at OKW at the 7 month window for most of the year as long as they don't mind staying there.

[ncligs]

As a VB owner, all of the above posts have some truth to them.
We purchased at VB for the following reasons............
1. Resort is "beautiful."
2. Wanted 1 off-site DVC location.Been to HH and it is very nice but prefer VB.
3. Have OKW as home resort also.
4. Plan to go at least every other yr or few days after DVC on-site
5. Beach Cottages are "AWESOME"
6. Need 11 month window (Beach Cottages-Holidays)
7. MB's at $62 pt (same use yr)
8. Since we have 300 pts at OKW, the 160 we have at VB should be no problem getting ressies at OKW at the 7 month window(largest DVC resort ;) , if we want the GV at OKW.
9. Dues wasn't a factor. Even if it is $1 more per pt for dues. That would make it "$160 per yr" more for us. That is a small amount to have to pay to be able to get a "Beach Cottage" when ever we want it.
So as you can see, we chose VB for the above reasons. And after staying there 2 weeks ago, we are very glad to have the 11 month window there.

[Richyams]

As I have always said, VB is truly a great resort, one of the finest in the world, for someone who intends to vacation there often, buying there is a good thing.

Buying VB points to use mainly at WDW DVC resorts is not a good idea.......does anyone disagree with that?

My problem with DVC sales staff is that they lie and misrepresent the ease of use of the seven month window.

I know, some will say that they have never had a problem, but that doesn't change the fact that there are many types of reservations that are going to be very hard to get at the seven month window in spite the the assuarances(lies) given to them by DVC sales staff.

[gscott8075]

I noted the large number of VB resales on both atimeshare.com and the Timseshare Store.

Since VB and HH are very similar, I would have to assume that the dues spike is a big reason. The boards here are full of nothing but positive comments from members who have been at both. The dues increase is the only difference.

If it was for the WDW connection, there should be just as many HH resales - and there are few if any. Also, closing costs in SC are much much higher than in FL so that would lead me to think if a lot of HH owners were selling, they would sit on the market.

And, the entire number of resales is very, very low - when you consider that there are 60,000 owners, the 20-40 listed are statistically insignificant.

The HH sales pitch I attended did indeed minimize the importance of the 7 month window.

I must say that we just got back from our second HH stay - my entire family forcefully told me that it is their favorite resort. DD's are 7 and 9. If you haven't been there, try it!

HH is a magical place - and I am sure VB is too. But, if WDW is your primary destination, folks should have bought there.

[Shontell_Crawford]

but here goes:
My opinion (and that is ALL it is) would be that Vero Beach resales have always moved slower than the Orlando resorts because: 1. The Dues. 2. It's not Orlando. Regardless of the issue of the 7 month window, people are afraid to take the risk - just in case- they want to travel during peak seasons.

Personally, I own HH and have never been there.
I have stayed at OKW, BW, and Vero - and guess what.....I have never, ever, ever booked a stay for myself more than 2 months in advance. Points are points are points. People cancel. Waitlists open up. It happens. I'm not a DVC rep, and I've heard of them misrepresenting things to guests (especially about resales) ;-) but I don't think the 6 month comment is wrong.

It will be interesting to see when Vero sells out if the resales move any faster.
Great question, btw!

All the best,
Shontell

[reneesam]

Shontell-
So nice to see you on the boards! I loved working with you, and I've been scanning the resales...might add on someday soon.

I noticed the higher number of Vero resales too...How close do you think Vero is to selling out?

Renee

[Richyams]

Have you ever reserved ten nights during the begining of December in a BWV standard view anything at seven months?

DVC sales staff says this is no problem.

Have you reserved a full week in a GV at OKW anytime from the middle of October thru the first two weeks of December?

DVC sales staff says this is no problem.

Have you ever reserved any BWV room during the first two weeks of December?

DVC sales staff says this is no problem.

While there may be the rare case of someone getting one of these reservations at seven months, to say that the seven month window is no concern is a bold-faced LIE. To say that any of these reservations are easy at seven months is a complete misrepresentation, these claims are fraudulant. I feel very comfortable saying that DVC sales staff is guilty of something criminal when they make these false representations.

[Johnnie Fedora]

For the onsite properties, it still boils down to whether you are interested in staying only at a particular resort or at any available resort. With a few exceptions, you can almost always find availability at "a" DVC resort at the 7 month window. We have used the 7 month window to switch points from a previous 11 month ressie and "trade" some stray HH points for BCV or VWL points. Our last 4 trips were booked in the 2 week - 5 month window. Most trips we got exactly what we wanted. Even if you own onsite, you still not going to get BWV in early December, unless you own there.

[Richyams]

So, even though the first two weeks of December are impossible, do you still think the DVC sales pitch: "The seven month window is meaningless, you can stay wherever you want" is true?

How about an OKW GV any time from the middle of October thru the first two weeks of Dec?

How about a Standard view at BWV most of the year?

We will have examples of each of these reservations being obtained during the seven month window, these are rare exceptions. I mantain that the difficulty of these, and I am sure there are more, the difficulty of these reservations makes the statement about the seven month window being meaningless, a lie.

I think its worse than a simple lie. I believe they are guilty of a criminal act when they represent the seven month window as meaningless.

[PamOKW]

I think its worse than a simple lie. I believe they are guilty of a criminal act when they represent the seven month window as meaningless.

Without debating the wording of what has been "told" to potential buyers by sales reps, everyone is given a written contract that clearly states that reservations are subject to availability. No promise is made to anyone that they are guaranteed particular accomodations or times of the year. In fact, we aren't even guaranteed this 3 month window. All DVC promises is at least a 1 month home resort advantage. If they go to this in the future, home resort will have very little bearing for the majority of DVC'ers.

Yes, there are difficult times and accomodations to book. However, many people are quite successful getting their trips, even last minute trips. We see examples all the time.

As DVC continues to grow, there is a bigger and bigger pool of folks trying to book reservations at 7 months out but there are also more options available. BWV may not be available at 7 months out in December but BCV availability is now an excellent alternative.

[Richyams]

I agree completely.

But that still doesn't change the fact that saying "The seven month window is not a concern, since most reservations are made six month out, the seven month window is not a concern." is a lie.

This part of the statement. "Since most reservations are made six months out" may in fact be true, but it is used in a purposely deceptional way. They are using it to negate the issue of availability. I think that this deception can easily be construed as fraud or some other criminal term.

I also think that many people bought at VB because they planned to stay there often, or were in a financial position where the upfront savings outweighed the extra dues and dealing with the seven month window.....I also think that many people were fooled into buying there, they had the wrong impression that the seven month window didn't matter(where did they get that idea?) and now that the dues have gone up, it is no longer worth dealing with the seven month window and paying the highest dues of any DVC resort......I think the latter is a big reason, along with many of the other reasons stated, long time in 'for sale' inventory, in particular, that we have so many VB resales.

[PamOKW]

Just to keep things in perspective, the "large" number of resales is 7 (with one a pending sale of 500 points) on one site and 8 on another site. 10 of them are packages of over 200 points, not of much interest to those looking for an add-on at Vero Beach. I think the primary reason for "lots" of resales is that they take longer to move and that leaves more inventory available.

[mikesmom]

Isn't it also possible that since Disney is still selling Vero, it's just less hassle to do that than to go through a resale?

We tried Vero 2 years ago and LOVED it. Tried to get Vero for 3 days this year at 7 month window and guess what? Not possible, even with the waitlist. We'd probably be looking for a small add on there if it wasn't that I'm a little nervous about the economy. I have my own business and would rather wait until things are a little brighter before I add expense into our budget. If I was ready to buy, frankly, I'd be calling my guide. It's just simpler.

For OKW and BWV, resales are the only option, and I assume get snapped up faster.

[ncligs]

mikesmom ,
We also tried to get a 1BR at VB for 6 days the last week in June(made ressies 7 months out-before buying at VB) and all we could get were 4 days in 1BR and had to waitlist for the last 2 days. The waitlist never came through:( , so we just went up to OKW for the last 2 days (we like 1BR-space;) ). So we are very glad to have the 11 month window at VB also.

[fireplug]

I see the issue as not having the rooms you want available as opposed to not being able to make a reservation at all.
DW and I love the one bedrooms but we will stay in a studio if needed. We bought at VB and love it . We are have the option of staying there or at WDW and have yet to have any problems booking a room. At any DVC property. We have stayed at BWV in Dec. and are at VWL this Dec. both were booked within a six or seven month window.
Opinions vary about whether or not you are LIED to by salespeople. We did not feel we were misled at all. We knew what we were doing when we bought at VB and do not regret it.

Steve

[mikesmom]

In our case it was NO ROOM. I would have taken 1 or 2 bdrm. I wouldn't take studio or Inn room as I had 2 rather large 19 year old boys along with myself and DH, and believe me, that would NOT have been a vacation to have all 4 of us in one room.

I checked constantly, and the only thing that came open was an Inn room for 1 of the 2 nights (which wouldn't fit us) and believe it or not, one of the Beach cottages! I was real tempted to take the cottage, but we really couldn't spare the points as the WDW portion of the vacation was a whole family trip with a 2 BDRM and 2 studios at BWV. Boy are we broke! We ended up at OKW for the other nights also.

[PamOKW]

I think Shontell's statement about points being points once you hit the 7 month mark is completely true. There is no disadvantage to owning at Vero or HHI versus any other DVC.

It's true that it will be difficult to book certain times of the year or certain accomodations. The same is true of all DVC resorts. A BCV or VWL owner will always have a difficult time booking a GV anywhere. An OKW owner will find it very difficult to book a Vero beach cottage. A BWV owner may find it near impossible to stay at VWL at Christmas. An owner at WDW will find it very hard to stay at HHI in the summer. It's true that a Vero or HHI owner should have flexibility when booking a WDW stay but it is far from impossible to arrange trips just as it is not impossible for WDW owner to book stays at HHI and Vero.

[WebmasterDoc]

So, even though the first two weeks of December are impossible...(snip)

Impossible is a pretty tough concept ! I have personally been able to get early December reservations at OKW, BWV and BCV (this year) all within the 7 month window on several occasions.

Based on my own experience, I'd say that the DVC guides are right on with their description of the how the program actually works. The 7 month window does work and to suggest otherwise really does a disservice to the program.

I'd even be willing to challenge the veracity of anyone who would claim that any time is impossible with DVC.

Certainly some dates are more difficult and some accommodations are tough to get at times, but with some patience and flexibility anything is possible.

If even one person can do it, it is NOT impossible and therefore is a true statement.

[Sneaky3]

I agree with both Doc and Shontell. I have never had a problem getting what I have wanted within the seventh month mark and I own at Hilton Head. I went to add on again at HH but they were sold out of my use year and ended up doing an addon at BCV. MY guide offered Vero but I was afraid of buying there because of the cost of dues.

Does anyone know what is the percentage that Vero is sold out?

[jmminarik]

As one of the people who bought in at Vero, using the MB instead of buying in at BW just before it sold out, I find myself agreeing with Richyams in sentiment, if not quite his vehemence. :)

Knowing what I know now (after almost 3 years of 'ownership'), we'd have bought an OKW resale. One, because it's on-WDW-site, two because the dues are lower, and three for a chance at getting a GV once or twice during our 40 year's of visiting without resorting to points trading (etc).

As always, it's a case of buyer beware (or in our case, caveat emptor ignorus), but we bought in at VB under our own 'incorrect' assumption that the only real difference between buying at VB vs BWV vs HHI (OKW was sold out by then) was the 7/11 month windows. We really didn't clue into the fact that dues were resort based, not DVC-wide. All we 'knew' was we'd have to reserve at 7 months for a WDW or HHI vacation.

We knew ressies were subject to availability, but we were flexible with that. We really don't care where we stay in a DVC at WDW since they're all nice. What would have been nice to know is that the first two weeks of Dec are such a high season for WDW DVC resorts because of the low points. We figured the points were low because demand was low...not because Disney wanted a guaranteed population for WDW's slowest weeks. I didn't count on DVCer's being keen-minded enough to pull their kids out of school at the best time to be in the World! :)

That all being said, we have no regrets having joined in this manner....it's still the best vacation related thing we've done, even it does cost us a bit more than someone who owns at OKW. And unlike many, we would take trips to VB without visiting the World.

We've only had to be flexible once in the trips we've scheduled, and that was when we sent our best friends to a 1BR at BWV for their honeymoon. We made the ressies in mid-september, and couldn't get them in the 1st week of Dec...they had to go the second. Otherwise, our willingness to be flexible hasn't had to be exercised. :)

-Joe

[Autumngirl]

I gotta agree with Richyams. We were thisclose to signing our papers for our VB.... The VERY POINTS that Rich is talking about is the VERY SPECIFIC questions that I asked our sales rep.... Rich's answers were almost verbatim what was told to us.

I don't care what the papers say (which by the way, you don't get until you've plunked down a deposit and signed on the dotted line)... when you ask someone a direct question... you expect a honest answer.... which we didn't get. I don't like being lied to...especially when it comes to so much $$$.

We cancelled the contract within our 2-week timeframe allotted to us by law. We are now waiting on our OKW Resale closing to come thru.... we are being told ...sometime next month.:bounce:

Got my fingers crossed!

[WDWalways]

I just wanted to add that when I called my guide about purchasing into BCV and was told it was not yet approved to be purchased over the phone by NY'ers I asked if VWL was still available (not knowing it was sold out since Feb and this was June) -- my guide told me the only thing they had available for me as a NY'er to purchase over the phone was HH or VB but if I plan on staying at WDW the majority of the time (which I do) then he would not recommend I buy at either -- he did not try to hook me into buying VB or HH when he knew how desperate I am to be a member after thinking about it for 5 years and being way too slow in my decision -- I am now purchasing a resale at BWV and I should close in 4-6 weeks (I hope!!:p ) I can no longer wait for the BCV but plan on adding on later if possible.

[PamOKW]

We've only had to be flexible once in the trips we've scheduled, and that was when we sent our best friends to a 1BR at BWV for their honeymoon. We made the ressies in mid-september, and couldn't get them in the 1st week of Dec...they had to go the second. Otherwise, our willingness to be flexible hasn't had to be exercised.

I'm not following what the hardship of owning at Vero is. You say you've gotten everything as long as you were flexible, including a stay during the prime first two weeks of December that you made with only 3 months notice. Booking this BWV trip would have been just as difficult if you owned OKW points. The same with the ability to use the GVs. BCV and VWL owners will also have to compete mightly to get one of these units.

I totally agree that purchasing where you intend to stay the most is the best practice. Choosing a home resort gives you an advantage at that resort. However, there is give and take with every choice of home resort. Telling a Vero purchaser that they will be able to book vacations at WDW is no more a lie than telling WDW owners that they will be able to book vacations at Vero or HHI. In fact, it's not a lie. It's just that non-home resort requires greater flexiblity and possible time on the wait list. If you say you only want to stay in an OKW GV every Christmas week then it would be deceptive to say that a Vero purchase would be a good idea. If you say that you would like to vacation at WDW every year, that is totally possible with a Vero purchase.

The difference in dues between OKW and Vero approaches $1 per point and that could be a consideration. But the difference between BWV and Vero is only $.25....a gap that may close over the coming years.

[Richyams]

So why do you agree with the advice we always give, "Buy where you plan to stay most"?

I don't know how many shades of grey you put between a lie and the truth, but "Home resort doesn't matter, you can stay anywhere, anytime you want, since most reservations are made six months out, the seven month window is meaningless"....IS A LIE.

We could go into the Clinton play book and justify that statement easily, but without going down that seedy path, you can't support that often repeated statement.

A recent poster said that their guide advised them not to buy HH or VB for use at WDW, that salesperson is rare, We constantly hear of them minimizing the importance of home resort and the statement I attribute to them was heard by me in person in reference to HH. Back then they were able to add...."all the guides own at HH, the dues are lower than BWV and you can stay anywhere you want"

I just can't really see any other way to catagorize their false statement.

[Shontell_Crawford]

[i] I am now purchasing a resale at BWV and I should close in 4-6 weeks (I hope!!:p ) I can no longer wait for the BCV but plan on adding on later if possible. [/B]

Did you call around for your BCV? I don't know about the other resale companies, but I have one listed already. Timing is sometimes the key to everything.

Congrats on your BWV....it is just as good as BCV and I'm sure you saved some $$.

All the best,
Shontell

[RLevy29]

quote
We could go into the Clinton play book and justify that statement easily, but without going down that seedy path, you can't support that often repeated statement.
----
Anyone who can read knows that they can try to book their home resort 11-8 months in advance and try to book other DVC resorts 7 months or less in advance. What does an ex-president have to do with it?

[Dean]

Originally posted by luckytso
I was talking to a resale broker the other day and she was really complaining about Disney's pricing of VB to make VB's owner not be able to sell. She feels Disney is doing a dis-service to VB's owners.

Hopefully, once VB is sold out, things will be better for VB's sellers. I certainly wouldn't think that DVC has any obligation to people wanting to resale and certainly not an obligation to make it easier for them to to resell.

There certainly have been people that bought at VB or HH or whereever with the assurance of the rep that they would have no problem staying on property at WDW. Not everyone was told this but enough have been to validate Rich's point including those that have posted so on this Board. I do think that the guides have misled people at times saying there is no problem at the 7 month window but that is the minority of the sales guides. Sure, once you get to the 7 month window, points are points but that still leaves the fact that certain options are unlikely to be available at the 7 month or less window to any owner even if they own at that resort. That leaves out those that own at other resorts as well as those that do not or can not plan very well in advance. The point about something being available also is a vote for buying at WDW if you want to stay there. If you own OKW and want to stay at BW, you can still have something on WDW property that will work (assuming you plan ahead) where if you own at an off site location, the scenario and options are much different.

The reason the prices are listed around the same for VB as the rest of DVC is simply that the broker-seller group have chosen to do so. Were they to list at 15-20% below the actual DVC selling price, the number of sales would be more in line with the other DVC resales. I would also agree with Shontell that HH and VB are not WDW and that is an inherent disadvantage that's hard to overcome. In a way it's not really Disney unless it's at WDW.

[jmminarik]

Originally posted by PamOKW


I'm not following what the hardship of owning at Vero is. You say you've gotten everything as long as you were flexible, including a stay during the prime first two weeks of December that you made with only 3 months notice.

(SNIP)

The difference in dues between OKW and Vero approaches $1 per point and that could be a consideration. But the difference between BWV and Vero is only $.25....a gap that may close over the coming years.

I'm not unhappy we bought at Vero as we did...given the information we had at the time, and more importantly, the lack of information, it was and still is a good decision for us. We are very flexible with our vacations, so us having to flex a little isn't a problem with our using VB points to stay in WDW, and having the points at VB came in handy when reserving Christmas week in VB. My point about the 1st week of Dec. being unavailable was more supportive of the fact the 7/11 window isn't a show stopper, even 3 months out.

BUT, knowing as I do now, we'd have bought an OKW resale. One to save money buying in, two to save dues, and three to have more than our 50 pt add-on at VWL onsite. Two years of maintenance costs savings would have almost covered the closing costs. And having a better chance at getting a GV at OKW the very few times we would consider/need one. :)

My agreement with Richyams' sentiment is based on the fact that there is/was an effort of behalf of DVD to move HHI and VB. We didn't know that 12/1-12/15 was a high period for DVC ressies, and we didn't fully appreciate that the dues could be so significantly different between resorts. I wouldn't say we were lied to....its just like calling CRO for a room ressie. If you don't know the codes or the questions to ask to see what discounts you might qualify to receive, there's no guarantee you'll get the best deal. In our case, we know we only want to go to WDW in early December...we like the lack of crowds. What we didn' know, and weren't told, was that this is the 'high' season for DVC ressies. We just looked at the point chart and said 'Cool, it has a low point cost, must not be a popular time with DVCers as well. Once we learned, we bought 50 pts at VWL. :)

Now the question is if I can convince wifeypoo that we really don't need a new kitchen, but that we do need a resale at OKW. :)

-Joe

[Gdoody]

Have you ever reserved ten nights during the beginning of December in a BWV standard view anything at seven months?

DVC sales staff says this is no problem.

Have you reserved a full week in a GV at OKW anytime from the middle of October thru the first two weeks of December?

DVC sales staff says this is no problem.

Have you ever reserved any BWV room during the first two weeks of December?

DVC sales staff says this is no problem.


I have!. We have booked in at the boardwalk for a early December week 2 years ago for a garden view room studio or 1 bedroom. (I do not remember exactly at the moment.) We actually enjoy the ability to move from resort to resort via DVC, which is why we bought in. As OKW members, we have often thought about buying at VB simply because we typically end our vacation there with a 1 week slowdown. As members since 1995, we have never really had problems getting what we wanted at other DVC resorts on property. In fact we recently booked the Beach Club Villas for our upcoming August/September stay, canceling our original Boardwalk room. Again, no problems. That being said, we are diligent about calling within the 6-7 month range to make our ressies. I do not know how difficult it would be if we tried to do this within 6 months.

:confused: As a newbie to this forum, I do have a question, how do you make those cool countdown timers I see on many posts. I would to have one for our upcoming BC/VB trip.

Thanks

Glenn

[ZerasPride]

I just discovered how to do the cool countdown counter yesterday. You can go to the "tech" forum and get the step by step instructions from there. It wasn't hard at all!

[Richyams]

I have!. We have booked in at the boardwalk for a early December week 2 years ago for a garden view room studio or 1 bedroom.

So you think the statement, "the seven month window is meaningless" is a true statement?

You think DVC sales staff leading people to believe that ANY reservation, Std view BWV, GV at OKW, and the other examples I gave truly are "No Problem"?

That is simply not true. While things happen and I definitely believe that some of those reservations can rarely be made, to say that they are "No Problem" is false, a lie, a deception, encroaching on fraud, truly fraud, take your pick.

[MrsG]

We bought BCV on our 7/6 Western cruise. We are from NY and the rep was pushing VB as BCV wasn't approved in NY at that time and he would have to hold our paperwork for who knows how long. He explained that the home resort really didn't matter and the 7 mo window should be no problem. Now, being from NY and being naturally suspicious, plus the fact that I am a teacher and would have to travel during high volume times, (plus we love Epcot and really wanted BCV) we told him BCV or no deal. The other rep in the room piped up that they could possibly arrange to have the paperwork ready for us when we disembarked so we could sign on Florida soil. Our rep played dumb (even though he was the one who brought the paperwork to the terminal for the other rep a few months back for someone in the same position). I guess he didn't want to be bothered, or really wanted to sell Vero. The moral of the story, (we signed for BCV at the terminal) hold out for the home resort you really want, and if you don't like what your rep is telling you, ask for a different rep.

[Richyams]

I agree, sleazy, lying DVC sales reps are too common. I really have to believe it is a general directive to mislead people about the seven month window....its either that or they get a larger commission when they sell the hard to sell VB.

[BenStone]

The reason the resales are still there is because it doesn't pay someone to buy it resale. I know I prefer to deal with Disney and I'll bet a lot of other people do too. Now this make absolutely no sense. I just read in another thread where someone was excited because they recently bought OKW points from Disney. We all know the going rate is $80/pt. from Disney so why would someone choose to pay that when the exact same thing can be had as a resale for $65/pt?

BenStone

[jmminarik]

Ben,

Depending on the amount of points acquired, it may not make $$$ sense to buy resale. Small points add-ons through Disney may cost less than buying a small contract resale, after to take into account things like the closing costs. I'd also imagine many small point contract owners aren't very motivated to sell because much of their income derived from the sale will get eaten up in brokers fees. Paying $1000 on commision when you sell 400 points is tolerable...paying $1000 on a 25 point sale is a waste.

(Figures used as an example....don't use these figures literally).

-Joe

[Shontell_Crawford]

Please don't anybody yell at me....

I just wanted to say I called member services today to book a studio for this Sunday night....and I had a choice, either preferred view at BW or OKW.

It's July - prime season - Three days out. People cancel. The waitlist works. I believe!

Please don't yell at me. I'm just defending my position. Btw, anybody going to be at OKW this Sunday besides me? I love get - togethers!

Thanks!
Shontell