Question Regarding Gay Days 2010

[csaj]

Hello all,

I have a question I would like to ask, but I do not wish to offend anyone, so I will pose this tactfully. Although my family and I are staunch republicans, born and bred conservatives, I am of the belief of to each his own. Live and let live. Let them get married and be as miserable as the rest of us. I have never had problem with gays, lesbians, hand holding and even tactful PDAs. However, the article written by Mr. Pete Werner, http://www.wdwinfo.com/disney-gay-days.htm, scares the hell out of me. We are planning a trip from California, yes the peoples republic of California. Two families, one with 4 very small children will be there during that time. We really do not wish to witness, and I will quote Mr. Werner, “two queens frenching outside Cinderella castle.” So my question is; if we avoid the parks on the scheduled gay days for that particular park, will we still be overrun by such images? Again, we believe everyone has a right to and should enjoy WDW. I would like to enjoy it without the feeling of being thrust in the middle of the Castro district in San Francisco. I hope I don’t offend anyone and wish everyone enjoys WDW respectfully. Thank you.

[OrlandoMike]

Get the gay days schedule and just avoid the "official park of the day" and you should be fine.

I've been to many Gay days and never ever have I seen anything Mr. Werner describes in that article.

I'm sure if you look hard enough you will find some of the things he mentions....but then again, if you look hard enough you can find anything!

[rpmdfw]

I'll concur. I've been to every Gay Day at the Magic Kingdom for the last 8 years, and have NEVER seen anything that is included in that biased and slanted article. I think it may be very very out of date.

Please don't let that one person's view change your plans.

[csaj]

Thank you both for your responses. Don't get me wrong, I was in no way thinking of changing our plans. I just don't want to be overpowered by zealots in the same way “bible thumpers” thrust their beliefs to unsuspecting patrons outside of abortion clinics. I know, extreme example, but you know what I mean. Thank you, and I think we will all have a great time.

[jlewisinsyr]

I would take the "review" as nothing more then a piece of poorly written crap. The review is full of wholes and biased opinions, by someone who...okay I'll stop here.

[ConcKahuna]

Thank you both for your responses. Don't get me wrong, I was in no way thinking of changing our plans. I just don't want to be overpowered by zealots in the same way “bible thumpers” thrust their beliefs to unsuspecting patrons outside of abortion clinics. I know, extreme example, but you know what I mean. Thank you, and I think we will all have a great time.

Pete is basing his Gaydays rant off of experiences with pride festivals.

Just like Mardi Gras is not a good example of normal New Orleans happenings, comparing some of the over-the-top pride events and Gaydays is like comparing apples and oranges.

Quite frankly Pete's article has nothing to do with gayday and more to do with biased internalizations of a digruntled gay man. Gayday is a family event just like any other you will see at the Magic Kingdom.

[Saxton]

I would take the "review" as nothing more then a piece of poorly written crap. The review is full of wholes and biased opinions, by someone who...okay I'll stop here.


Keep going!!! :thumbsup2


Every time there's a Gay Days thread that 'article' is brought up again. I'm sure the OP intended no malice but usually that article is used to bolster the view that we're all over-sexed degenerates. And anytime someone tries to support us with evidence that they have actually been to Gay Days and never experienced any of the behavior that he talks about the other side throws it in our faces. So facts don't matter but his flawed article will live forever.


Because of that article I will never use any business associated with these boards. I'm starting to consider an ABD trip in 2010 and for two people it will be fairly large amount of money. That money will go elsewhere.


OP – go and I'm sure you'll have a great time.

[DVC~OKW~96]

Just because Pete Werner is gay, and owns these boards does not make him an authority on Gay Days, or Disney. :)

Gay Days are just that, day(s) at Disney where gay people can openly share the time together with others of the community and their families coming together in fellowship and love of Disney.

I've been to many, many a gay day with no concerns for anything I've seen. If I were to warn anyone away from the parks it would be during Night of Joy. THAT's a crazy time! :eek:

You will see some shirt "saying" (most are wicked funny) but they'll probably go right over your head, and most certainly over your children's heads. (Such as, "I can't even think straight." ) :teeth:

You will definitely see same gendered couples holding hands, and maybe hugging or giving one another a kiss (exactly what you'd see any other time) but if you see any of the actions described in Pete's out of date rant, I'll be extremely surprised.

Go and enjoy your time there, and don't worry about anything other than having fun at WDW. ::yes::

[OrlandoMike]

If you've never been to the Magic Kingdom on the first Saturday in June, you need to try it, particularly from opening till the 3:00 parade.

The positive energy in the park that day is beyond words! :thumbsup2

[wallyb]

Anyone else feel like we're in the movie ...
Groundhog Day?
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Someone please make it stop. :headache:

[jlewisinsyr]

Someone please make it stop. :headache:

That would require someone taking action and removing a biased article created by them on their own site, I don't see that happeneing. :sad2:

[OrlandoMike]

Someone please make it stop. :headache:

November 15th is clearly "America Recycles Day"

So dig up those old post topics and recycle away! :lmao:

[PghLybrt]

AHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!

I just get home and this is what I come home to!!!!

AHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!

[wallyb]

AHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!

I just get home and this is what I come home to!!!!

AHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!

I know. :headache:
There should be a sticky (A big red sticky)
for this - So we don't have to field these questions/ comments
every other week.

Yes - your children will be either indoctrinated or eaten.
Yes - there will be fornicating in the streets.
Yes - speaking in tongues.
Please keep your arms and hands inside the ride at all times. :flower3:

[zeitzeuge]

I know. :headache:
There should be a sticky (A big red sticky)
for this - So we don't have to field these questions/ comments
every other week.

Yes - your children will be either indoctrinated or eaten.
Yes - there will be fornicating in the streets.
Yes - speaking in tongues.
Please keep your arms and hands inside the ride at all times. :flower3:

Well you know there can't be any speaking in tongues without the "handling of snakes". I need to call my pentecostal friends.

[DOPEYLUVER]

I have a question regarding Gay Days.

Why does it have to be the same weekend as my daughter's graduation:sad1:

[wallyb]

Well you know there can't be any speaking in tongues without the "handling of snakes". I need to call my pentecostal friends.

Heck - Call The national guard if you have to-
Gay Days!!!! Mos Running amok! :eek:

[PghLybrt]

I have a question regarding Gay Days.

Why does it have to be the same weekend as my daughter's graduation:sad1:

I always ask why is it always during the summer when I have to work. :sad1:

[rosiep]

Yeah! Why is it during the summer? I'm delicate...I'd melt in that heat!:sad1:

[wallyb]

And Why, oh Why is it always when someone
somewhere is taking their kids?

[ConcKahuna]

I have a question regarding Gay Days.

Why does it have to be the same weekend as my daughter's graduation:sad1:

I think there are 2 factors:

1) June is national GLBT month.

2) At the beginning of June most gay families will have thier kids out of school and can go before the parks get too busy.

Those of you who go to school in areas where kids go to school later...well I'm sorry to hear it :(

[patita71]

If you've never been to the Magic Kingdom on the first Saturday in June, you need to try it, particularly from opening till the 3:00 parade.

The positive energy in the park that day is beyond words! :thumbsup2

We also believe in live and let live, it is not my business or my place to judge anyone. My family has been there on the 1st Sat in June, and just as previous post mentioned... the positive energy was amazing.

We did not notice anything that was mentioned in the article, all we saw were happy families/friends/couples enjoying that Disney magic!
:wizard:

[DVC~OKW~96]

Someone I know shared with me a thread on another Disney related forum.

Apparently a poster there is posting for information on how to avoid the Disney sponsored (uh huh, red flag right there) Gay Days, because last year they went and were kept awake their ENTIRE vacation by LOUD sounds of ermmmm... sexual behaviors coming from ALL the rooms. Of course, it was only men, as presumably lesbians either, don't engage in that sort of behavior or have the decency to be quiet. :lmao:

At any rate, I'm guessing it was a troll... entertaining fiction.

I've stayed at WDW any number of times for Gay Day weekend and haven't seen or heard anything that is offensive to anyone, unless of course it burns your eyes to see same gendered couples (some with their children) having fun, and sharing the day with like minded individuals.

[dis75ney]

My family and I were at Gay Days last year, and I think the most offensive thing I saw was a T-shirt referring to... *clears throat* ... a "blue ribbon face" (nudge nudge wink wink). And of course, of all the things my DS9 has to see in the Magic Kingdom, he focused on that shirt...let's just say we had an interesting discussion over facial expressions while dining with our gay buddies at CP... :rolleyes1

[wdwpins]

I don't know how one can be a staunch republican and actually agree with allowing gays to marry. Seems contradictory.

In any case, I agree with what Pete says.

I'm gay and never felt unwelcome at any time on any day of year at WDW.
I've been to Gay Days twice, 2007, 2008, and the sea of red shirts was empowering...that is...until I saw many vulgar and entirely unnecessary expressions on those red shirts, most of which I am unable or unwilling to post here.

I haven't a clue why certain gays have to wear shirts with cutesy, quippy, shocking and/or double entendre expressions on them, other than to seek attention or be in your face about who they are and, seemingly more important to them, what they do. I saw a lesbian at Gay Days 2008 wearing a shirt that proclaimed that for this gal "no *uff* was too tough." If I had truly been interested in what she found to be a challenge I would have asked her, but for me (and for many parents who had some explaining to do ) the answer was already there--I had no choice in the matter. In all the days I've been to Disney with my 2 annual passes, I have never seen a straight guy proclaim on his shirt that no *uff was too tough for him. In fact, I've seen vulgar expressions on shirts only during Gay Days.

I'm asking the gay community who will attend these events in 2010--please, please, wear those red shirts with pride, but please refrain from wearing a red shirt with an expression on it that most find offensive. If there is a "party in your pants," well, just let your group of friends know, and keep Disney guests in the dark about it. Thanks.

[PghLybrt]

I don't know how one can be a staunch republican and actually agree with allowing gays to marry. Seems contradictory.

In any case, I agree with what Pete says.

I'm gay and never felt unwelcome at any time on any day of year at WDW.
I've been to Gay Days twice, 2007, 2008, and the sea of red shirts was empowering...that is...until I saw many vulgar and entirely unnecessary expressions on those red shirts, most of which I am unable or unwilling to post here.

I haven't a clue why certain gays have to wear shirts with cutesy, quippy, shocking and/or double entendre expressions on them, other than to seek attention or be in your face about who they are and, seemingly more important to them, what they do. I saw a lesbian at Gay Days 2008 wearing a shirt that proclaimed that for this gal "no *uff* was too tough." If I had truly been interested in what she found to be a challenge I would have asked her, but for me (and for many parents who had some explaining to do ) the answer was already there--I had no choice in the matter. In all the days I've been to Disney with my 2 annual passes, I have never seen a straight guy proclaim on his shirt that no *uff was too tough for him. In fact, I've seen vulgar expressions on shirts only during Gay Days.

I'm asking the gay community who will attend these events in 2010--please, please, wear those red shirts with pride, but please refrain from wearing a red shirt with an expression on it that most find offensive. If there is a "party in your pants," well, just let your group of friends know, and keep Disney guests in the dark about it. Thanks.


You have really never witnessed any staight men wearing inapropriate tshirts? No Johnsons or hooter tshirts? No crab shack? I think the difference is that those tshirts are so excepted that no one even notices now.
http://www.bigjohnson.com/cgi-bin/disppage_new.cgi?id=20040627212301&p=0

[wdwpins]

You have really never witnessed any staight men wearing inapropriate tshirts? No Johnsons or hooter tshirts? No crab shack? I think the difference is that those tshirts are so excepted that no one even notices now.
http://www.bigjohnson.com/cgi-bin/disppage_new.cgi?id=20040627212301&p=0

Oh, I have, just not at Disney

[jlewisinsyr]

I haven't a clue why certain gays have to wear shirts with cutesy, quippy, shocking and/or double entendre expressions on them, other than to seek attention or be in your face about who they are and, seemingly more important to them, what they do.

Goes to show class doesn't maintain boundaries within sexual orientation.

You have really never witnessed any staight men wearing inapropriate tshirts? No Johnsons or hooter tshirts? No crab shack? I think the difference is that those tshirts are so excepted that no one even notices now.
http://www.bigjohnson.com/cgi-bin/disppage_new.cgi?id=20040627212301&p=0

I've seen those, plus some other really racy shirts. Do I care, not really, I just think to myself that the person must either be very adamant about what it says or more then likely insecure in themselves and use shirts/hats, etc to proclaim some sort of different personality then their own.

I agree that the more common shirts are just so common that people don't even think about them, in short people only see what they want to see.

[OrlandoMike]

Oh, I have, just not at Disney

I have! On a daily basis!

Who cares? Take it for what it's worth......:confused3

[PghLybrt]

Oh, I have, just not at Disney

Really? I did last week :confused3
Next time I should take pics! LOL
I walked around with my "Gay" Steelers jersey on game day ( and I was there for 2 of them). I got really nice comments:rolleyes: from straight guests. I guess what I am saying is that you can read into things anyway you want to. People were appalled I wore his jersey, who cares if he happens to be my favorite player and a good one at that. :confused3

[wdwpins]

For those who like to have red shirts with shocking and/or vulgar expressions on them--why isn't a red shirt (unadorned or with an expression or logo that isn't vulgar or shocking) simply enough?

[OrlandoMike]

For those who like to have red shirts with shocking and/or vulgar expressions on them--why isn't a red shirt (unadorned or with an expression or logo that isn't vulgar or shocking) simply enough?

And I could ask the same question about the other 364 days of the year.

Why isn't a plain white T-shirt enough? Why do you have to wear something vulgar?

[wdwpins]

And I could ask the same question about the other 364 days of the year.

Why isn't a plain white T-shirt enough? Why do you have to wear something vulgar?

Who's showing his gay pride at Disney with a white shirt?

[OrlandoMike]

I'm talking about the vulgar shirts you see on an everyday basis, not just on Gay days....

[wdwpins]

i'm talking about the vulgar shirts you see on an everyday basis, not just on Gay days....

and what about those vulgar shirts you see on an everyday basis? You see these every day in Disney?

[jlewisinsyr]

and what about those vulgar shirts you see on an everyday basis? You see these every day in Disney?

I do, everytime I've been to Disney, I have seen at least one shirt a day, regardless of which park that is questionable, but again, most people ignore these shirts or don't take notice because they are so common.

Do you remember the old male rooster slang term (I won't use the word) hats guys used to wear, when I was down in the late 90s in Disney I saw a ton of them. Same idea, it carried dual meaning.

[OrlandoMike]

Mudflaps with naked women on them offend me!

People screaming at their children offend me!

People cheating the handicapped lines offend me!



You can find offensive things every day at Disney, ya just gotta look for them.

I prefer to go and mind my own buisness and have a good time!

[wdwpins]

I'm sure gays who wear shirts with those expressions in Disney aren't doing it to "keep up with the straights" who wear the same types of shirts. I had 2 years of APs at Disney and in my personal experience not once did I see anything vulgar on a shirt, regardless of its color, unless I was there during Gay Days.

At Gay Days 2008 at WDW I saw a lesbian with red shirt that said, "I pay taxes, too." It was clever and to the point, and not offensive in the least. Kudos to her. What her lesbian friend had on her red shirt I am unable to post here.

My simple question is this: If you wear a red shirt at Gay Days at Disney, and that shirt has a vulgar, questionably distasteful or shocking expression on it, why is a simple plain red shirt not enough for you (or one that says "Mickey '71" or "Eat at Joe's," "Dell," etc), especially at a venue that is not adults only?

[kingLouiethe1]

I'm sure gays who wear shirts with those expressions in Disney aren't doing it to "keep up with the straights" who wear the same types of shirts. I had 2 years of APs at Disney and in my personal experience not once did I see anything vulgar on a shirt, regardless of its color, unless I was there during Gay Days.

At Gay Days 2008 at WDW I saw a lesbian with red shirt that said, "I pay taxes, too." It was clever and to the point, and not offensive in the least. Kudos to her. What her lesbian friend had on her red shirt I am unable to post here.

My simple question is this: If you wear a red shirt at Gay Days at Disney, and that shirt has a vulgar, questionably distasteful or shocking expression on it, why is a simple plain red shirt not enough for you (or one that says "Mickey '71" or "Eat at Joe's," "Dell," etc), especially at a venue that is not adults only?

I've never been to Gay Days in Orlando, only Anaheim. I think my biggest problem is people making it sound like this is SO common, and you just can't escape it. There is not an inappropriate shirt epidemic going on.

Let's not forget that Disney has some very specific codes of conduct in place regarding appropriate clothing, and if all these horribly inappropriate shirts were running around the parks they would not think twice about asking people to cover them up, or kindly leave the park.

[Chuck S]

My simple question is this: If you wear a red shirt at Gay Days at Disney, and that shirt has a vulgar, questionably distasteful or shocking expression on it, why is a simple plain red shirt not enough for you (or one that says "Mickey '71" or "Eat at Joe's," "Dell," etc), especially at a venue that is not adults only?

But again, the same could easily be asked of the people that wear "shocking" apparel everyday at Disney, like the french connection UK shirts that were popular. Or Gothic black cothing, or tattoos, piercings, etc.

To each their own. I wear either a plain red or a red Disney shirt. Others prefer not to.

Some folks may find something as simple as "We are Family" shirts or "Straight but not Narrow" shirts offensive. The world be be a much better place if everyone simply were enjoying the parks instead of being critical of the clothing choices of others.



Personally, I hate it when parents let their kids wear wheelies in the parks, and that is a vioation of Disney policies.

No matter the crowd, the age, venue, or gathering, there will always be some that push the limits.

I'm at Disney to have fun, I tend to ignore the actions of other people, unless it puts me in harms way physically.

[PghLybrt]

Mudflaps with naked women on them offend me!



Since you started it, I really can't stand the balls hanging from the back of pick up trucks that are supposed to be brass....... Really gross.

[DOPEYLUVER]

Since you started it, I really can't stand the balls hanging from the back of pick up trucks that are supposed to be brass....... Really gross.

I have never seen those and I never heard of them. You should have heard the panic in a friend's voice when I told him that I had bought an accessory for my husband's truck for Christmas. He asked me if I had bought testicles for the truck. I was like "WHAT are you talking about." Anyway it was a pretty funny conversation but not what I bought my husband.

[hematite153]

and what about those vulgar shirts you see on an everyday basis? You see these every day in Disney?

::yes:: I've seen something I found offensive just about everyday I've been at Disney. The worst were:
- An entire family that I kept encountering with matching t-shirts for everyday of their vacation. Each shirt said something cruel and homophobic -- I couldn't believe the level of hate they were teaching by giving 6 year olds hate filled shirts to wear while at WDW.
- A shirt that looked like an official Marine Corps shirt that said, "It's not my job to judge Muslims, just to kill them and deliver them to God." (I was horrified and this is the one time I actually said something to a CM about another person's clothing.


My simple question is this: If you wear a red shirt...

My simple question is this: If you wear a SHIRT at Disney, why do so many people feel compelled (everyday of the year) to wear shirts with vulgar/offensive expressions/art?

Seriously, if you find the red shirts on Gay Days bad, I really suggest that you open your eyes to what our society has decided is "normal" and therefore doesn't do anything to correct.

[fergibabies]

I know. :headache:
There should be a sticky (A big red sticky)
for this - So we don't have to field these questions/ comments
every other week.

Yes - your children will be either indoctrinated or eaten.
Yes - there will be fornicating in the streets.
Yes - speaking in tongues.
Please keep your arms and hands inside the ride at all times. :flower3:

:lmao::lmao:

I don't think there was a Gay day when we were there, but there were several gay families and by gosh that is exactly what they were doing!!:hippie:

[rpmdfw]

I've been to Gay Days twice, 2007, 2008, and the sea of red shirts was empowering...that is...until I saw many vulgar and entirely unnecessary expressions on those red shirts, most of which I am unable or unwilling to post here.

I haven't a clue why certain gays have to wear shirts with cutesy, quippy, shocking and/or double entendre expressions on them, other than to seek attention or be in your face about who they are and, seemingly more important to them, what they do.

Funny.

In this thread

http://www.disboards.com/showthread.php?t=2186707&highlight=gay+day+shirt

you seem to be enjoying the shirts. Even encouraging them. Either that, or you were intentionally trying to start a controversy on the boards.

Frankly, what I haven't a clue about is why a person wearing a tacky shirt is a big deal to get worked up about "the gay community". If a person is wearing a tacky shirt, THAT PERSON is tacky. I don't judge all straight people by the clothing of the scary fat people in spandex. I also don't judge all gay people for the shirts that a few chose to wear at Gay Days.

I still maintain that in all the years I've been to Gay Days, I've seen nothing like the inappropriate behavior that a certain article indicates is "the norm". And I certainly see more groping, making out, tacky clothing, and instances of family violence on the other days that I visit the Disney parks than I do on Gay Day.

Why should we help the bigots impose a double standard on ourselves? They want to judge all of us for a few people, but don't want us to do the same. It's not fair, and we shouldn't stand for it. And we certainly shouldn't be helping them by telling other GLBT folks that they're not free to express themselves however they like.

[OrlandoMike]

:worship::worship::worship::worship::worship:


:thumbsup2:thumbsup2:thumbsup2:thumbsup2:thumbsup2

[DVC~OKW~96]

Oh, I have, just not at Disney

Really? Not ever? Not once?

One of the most disgusting t-shirts I've seen to date at WDW was on a 14ish girl, not during Gay Days.

It said, "I got my Crabs from Dirty Dick's." Yeah. Ha. Ha. I understood. I got the "joke" but still found it inappropriate for anyone anywhere.

So you know what I did? I didn't BUY THAT T-SHIRT!

If you object to a given shirt, don't buy it. It's really that simple.

[wdwpins]

This goes out only to those who like to sport cutesy, quippy, shocking and/or double entendre expressions on their red shirts at Disney during Gay Days.

Why is a simple, expressionless red shirt (or even perhaps one with an HP logo, or a Disney Character, or "Eat at Joe's" or "I pay taxes, too," for example) not enough?

If you prefer to wear a red shirt at Gay Days with the phrase "Team Princess" on it, for example, rather than a simple red shirt with no expression, why is that?

[wallyb]

Oh Look!
It's Mr. (Dead) Ed

http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f241/wallyb3/horse.gif

[jlewisinsyr]

This goes out only to those who like to sport cutesy, quippy, shocking and/or double entendre expressions on their red shirts at Disney during Gay Days.

Why is a simple, expressionless red shirt (or even perhaps one with an HP logo, or a Disney Character, or "Eat at Joe's" or "I pay taxes, too," for example) not enough?

If you prefer to wear a red shirt at Gay Days with the phrase "Team Princess" on it, for example, rather than a simple red shirt with no expression, why is that?

At first, I honestly thought you had a valid concern that you wanted to vent about, but now I can honestly say you are just hear to start trouble and vent your personal beliefs based on the sheer fact you are repeating yourself without adding value or substance based on responses. There is nothing wrong with having personal beliefs, but expecting people to follow the path of insecurity and bigotry probably won't work well for you in this forum.

So you are okay with "Eat at Joe's" but not "Team Princess". Honestly, "Team Princess" would be pretty witty in Magic Kingdom with all the other Princesses that run around on a daily basis. How about "Team Pirate", do you take offense to that too?

[OrlandoMike]

The OP got their question answered.

This thread has run it's course.