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treloarf

03-26-2001, 05:45 PM

This was our first time as DVC members and stayed in a 1 bedroom at OKW for 5 nights - beautiful villa in Bldg. 62. Very convenient to bus stop and hospitality house & pool. But after visiting the Boardwalk for a day, I was a little disappointed in the level of service at OKW. There seems to be hardly anyone working there! I found it strange to have to wait in line at the check-in to ask any type of guest services questions or to get an extra map. The people working there hardly knew anything about the various programs around Disney (i.e. when I asked about the campout at Fort Wilderness with Chip & Dale, they had to actually call them to found out anything). Also, they were not friendly with the kids either.

Now when we went to the Boardwalk, walking in they gave our kids 2 lollypops, 2 balloons, they had their own guest services area and knew everything. Gave my kids coloring books, crayons and the DIsney magazine. Very friendly with the kids. Oh, their community hall had free video games, arcade games, and everything was so much cleaner and newer than OKW. I felt OKW's hall had nothing in it!!! THe kids did enjoy the "unbirthday party". Please don't get me wrong, we had a wonderful time, but I thought something "magical" was missing at OKW. Was it just me or does OKW seem almost too "quiet". I guess that's what happens when you buy site unseen. I probably would have spent the extra to buy at Boardwalk.

rsinj

03-26-2001, 05:54 PM

It must depend when you check in and how busy things are.

When we checked in at OKW 3 weeks ago there were 3 check-in folks at different terminals. At the time, we were the only ones checking in (Sunday late afternoon). Our 4 year old was given balloons, the person that checked us in gave us a whole packet, maps, explained what was going on over the next few days and took the time to explain everything and answer any questions we had. They also noted it was our daughter's birthday and told her they would be sure to tell Snow White. Sure enough a couple days later Snow White found her way into our unit leaving a signed personal picture birthday card with a whole bunch of balloons.

PamOKW

03-27-2001, 04:37 AM

I agree that it may be timing and whose on duty. Sometimes we've heard stories about the rude BWV CM's and the great ones at OKW and vice versa. Unless things have changed, there is a Guest Services desk at OKW. It's to the far right of the check-in desk. It's possible they don't have it staffed all the time as they pick up the slack for check-in when they are busy.

Richyams

03-27-2001, 04:49 AM

Some people have the opposite desires and get different experiences. I checked into BWV once, it took a very long time and the cm must have been having a bad year, I couldn't say day because she seemed to have the whole dark cloud thing down pat. I felt as if I was asking her to give up Saunday dinner with her parents while she checked me in.

Compounded by the 1.2 mile hike to the room from check in, made me happy I didn't own in a nasty hotel. It did have its good points...I got to tip a valet every time I left or entered the hotel. I drive everywhere and the marathon to the room was enough to make the valet worthwhile.

Then to think that owners there are paying 25% higher dues, 25-100% higher points per night and all this for tiny rooms with no dining area, man, am I glad BWV didn't open first, I might have bought there and regretted it my whole life.

OKW on the other hand, is just as perfect as perfect gets. Friendly CMs, plenty of activities for the kids, luxurios, spacious units and a great view from just about every room.

"From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs", Karl Marx,This has failed every time it has been tried, why do we still have liberals?

Peterd

03-27-2001, 05:15 AM

Wow, I knew we would have to hear about 25% more this and that. The long walk, (some of the long winded could use it),and those darn free Valets. Haven't heard all of this in a week. If only those 25% bigger rooms would have been nicer.
Treloarf, sorry to hear about your stay, Don't consider it the norm. Must have been a bad day for some. This being your first trip, I would still give OKW another shot. There's one or two of these BW experts on the boards, who went to the BW all of ONE time, and still compare a two bedroom there to a Grand villa at the Okw. One bad experience, and they think it must be like that all the time. It must be a sad world this person lives in. I can tell by his posts. I wonder if they spill their coffee in the morning, or someone cuts them off on the road, the first thing they yell, "OKW has 25% bigger rooms than the Boardwalk". Remember with all the money you save on dues, you can always spend the $50 at the Hotdog stand.
Treloarf, I would suggest you email your concerns to guest services, they may be a little more helpful. I know they won't tell you about the 25% larger rooms and higher dues at the BWV. Hope next trip is better.

pluto109

03-27-2001, 05:45 AM

well said pete.. i dont think he has much of a life...boardwalk rules!!!!!!

AnnK

03-27-2001, 06:12 AM

Is that a fact or more of YOUR speculation? Did you measure the walk? Someone has too much time on their hands
NASTY hotel? Just say what you feel. Have you ever heard of couth? Geez, and they kicked Calbay off? He at least had couth, and never said such slanderous remarks.
I 'm paying 25 % more dues? Why didn't they tell me this when I bought. Oh right ,BECAUSE THEY DID and I CHOSE BWV anyway! 100% higher points,( when is that?)well anyway it's WORTH EVERY POINT.
No, you would NOT have bought at BWV. I saw OKW many times and passed it up, buying only after they built the BWV's, (which is the ULTIMATE timeshare resort.)Check the TUG ratings BWV is NUMBER 1
Perfect FOR YOU! Many of us think differently. The CM's are ALL JUST people. They all have good and bad days and it doesn't matter in what of Disney they work. If you don't like BW continue to stay at OKW, but stop bashing BWV just because OTHER PEOPLE LIKE IT BETTER.
BWV has MANY activities for children, and they even have a slide at the pool. OKW has spacious laundry rooms and a great view of nothing special..........

[This message was edited by AnnK on 03-27-01 at 10:17 AM.]

Richyams

03-27-2001, 07:02 AM

I think that I effectively showed that there are people that prefer OKW. Some, like me, feel very strongly about it. Some, like me, are very happy to own at OKW. Some, like me, don't need to take to personal attacks when their favorite resort is maligned.

"From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs", Karl Marx,This has failed every time it has been tried, why do we still have liberals?

AnnK

03-27-2001, 07:24 AM

Some people should not attack another person's favorite resort! ( NASTY HOTEL???? NOT AN ATTACK?)

JAH

03-27-2001, 07:38 AM

I do not view the term nasty hotel as a personel attack on anyone. I own at OKW love it and felt the same way after staying at the boardwalk. The CMs at OKW are always nice warm and friendly. The CMs we encountered at Boardwalk were cold, rude etc. however this is from only one experience I am sure there are plenty of great CMs at both resorts and some below par.
We do not need to go in to the OKW/BW debate again. It is probably 50/50 in preference and that is fine. I would much rather have bigger rooms, more value , a decent size kitchen you can cook in,park outside your room etc. These are the things that turned me away from Boardwalk not the Cold CM at check in. Less than 1% of my WDW time is spent interecting with resort CMs.

Geubux

03-27-2001, 07:46 AM

Awww, leave richyams alone. He's just a grumpy old man, kind of like Hook. He's got his 25% bigger is better mantra, so there. :mad:

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KyBill

03-27-2001, 07:51 AM

The level of services at any resort can differ based on a number of things. That is no reason to condemn the resort. We spent five days at BWV in 1/2000 in 1 BR with no "welcome homes" a toaster that wouldn't work(which was replaced) and a terrible "view" of the roof of the Leaping Libations bar. But we enjoyed our stay. Based on that stay I would not condemn the resort.
While there we went downstairs and did an add on at OKW(our home) as the overall experience and comfort of the Villas did not compare with OKW. Also we don't like the hotel atmosphere. But that's why there are more flavors than vanilla.
We just returned from a 2 BR at OKW last week. While there we twice drove to the BW and used the valet park and ate at the FF on two nights. Love that restaurant.

AnnK

03-27-2001, 08:00 AM

Jah,
I never said it was a personal attack, I said not to attack another person's favorite resort.( ie NASTY HOTEL).
I think it's great if your happy with OKW. Some people like larger rooms, some people like location. I have no problem with that at all.It's wrong to go around BASHING a resort just because you don't like what SOMEONE ELSE EXPERIENCED on their last trip. Just because someone STRONGLY prefers OKW doesn't give them the right to call another person's favorite resort NASTY.
I have stayed at both OKW and BWV resorts MANY times, and I have encountered both friendly and unfriendly AT BOTH, which is why I say CM's are people, they all have good and bad days.

[This message was edited by AnnK on 03-27-01 at 12:28 PM.]

Tommy

03-27-2001, 08:03 AM

Do you know how long a walk it is from my home resort to the parks? 313 Miles! Even if I drive it, it's a 5 hour and 17 minute drive. And to think, I gave up all that park hussle, waiting on busses, bumping into people in crowded lines, all to just sit on my porch at Hilton Head and watch the sailboats on Broad Creek!

Is there no equality in DVC? :cool: :D

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pluto109

03-27-2001, 08:10 AM

rich arent you the one calling members thief for 5 in a one bedroom ...that is akin to being pigheaded

baileybrad

03-27-2001, 09:13 AM

Why do folks get drawn into DVC resort bashing? All 5 properties have something that distinguishes them in a positive light. Consider the source, some folks love their home resorts so much that they like to jab others in the ribs a bit when making their points, while others seem to feel that just because their resort is within walking distance to a park that others are somehow missing out on something. The original poster somehow thinks because they saw something different at one resort and not their "home" that they may have made a wrong choice. As PamOKW clearly points out, a big part of your experience depends on timing. Others have noticed just the opposite at other times at other resorts. Can someone honestly say that they have firsthand knowledge of more than a dozen or so folks who have ever had a bad visit at any DVC resort? And lets face it, that would be out of hundreds of thousands of visits and dealing with all types of personalities.

As for the magic that this guest somehow felt was missing at OKW, that is really more a state of mind isn't it? Maybe the more quiet setting does seem a little less magical to some but just as many others believe that is what makes their vacations so wonderful at OKW. Conversely, some who enjoy more action probably love BWV or VWL and do so because they are more "active" places. Not knowing the personality of the original poster, only they can decide if maybe they should have chosen more active over laid-back. But the last thing that I would do is make this decision based on 1 visit. I would give OKW another try and definitely try the other resorts and I am sure as most of us have found, there are pluses and minuses to be had at each one. But as we all know the minuses are so very few. My edit was for left words, not content. It took me awhile to get back in due to the fact that I was making an October reservation at OKW :) .

[This message was edited by baileybrad on 03-27-01 at 02:25 PM.]

Dennis the WDW Menace

03-27-2001, 09:23 AM

Boy such hostility on these boards as of late, maybe some of us need a WDW tune-up. I realize that everyone has a resort that they feel is special but variety is what makes WDW interesting. All three resorts have their drawbacks and good points and this gives us a choice when we make reservations. OKW has parking close to the rooms, BW is more convienent to EPCOT and has food and stores close to the rooms, VWL is close to MK and the campground. When I bought into DVC I like the fact that parking was available at what is now OKW, I drive often and rent cars when I fly. The best thing is that it feels like "home" to me and we do go at least 3 or 4 times a year. CM's sometimes are not as attentive as they should be and these times are the ones that we remember the most. I have seen and experienced those bad attitudes at all three of the resorts but this has not discouraged me from returning to all DVC properties. If you don't like one then don't go there, but to express these negative attitudes and to call each other names on these boards is becoming a little to commonplace now. I thought these boards were to offer information or discuss issues not to be a outlet for people to constantly write insulting comments.
I feel sorry that someone has had a bad experience at OKW and I would encourage Treloarf to call or write OKW to report this and tell them how much that this bothered you. I have had a few occassions to call them and report items and they do respond.

CarolAnnC

03-27-2001, 09:27 AM

I'd like to remind everybody that this is a discussion board. If you would like to debate, please visit the Debate Board. If you would like to post here, keep it friendly and polite. Whether or not we all agree, we need to stay respectful and courteous. Thank you everyone for your anticipated cooperation! :)

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treloarf

03-27-2001, 09:35 AM

We had a fantastic time at OKW and can't wait to go back again. You're probably right about visiting 1 time - I do need to give it another chance (I did notice there was construction inside the lobby which maybe they were adding a guest services area or updating it).

I just thought BWV was cleaner, newer and had more to offer for the kids (my son loved the pool slide). But, I can always stay there if I want (at a 7 month window), right? So I feel the best of both worlds is to be had as a DVC owner.

Please don't fight over the resorts - it beats staying offsite!

WALLSTREET

03-27-2001, 11:10 AM

Whew!!! Everybody got their claws pulled back in nice & tight? Good. Now I just have one thing to say. Are we having fun yet? No, really, I just wanted to say that I for one am GLAD there are so many different types of DVC properties because there whenever someone posts his/her perspectives about one of them, there is always something that appeals to me. I can't wait to stay at ALL of them. I hope that as a new mood strikes I'll be able to choose a new favorite each time I go. We're not your neighbors yet, but it looks like SOON!!

jcodespoti

03-27-2001, 01:17 PM

I for one enjoy rich humor or there lack of. I feel that I don't have to defend my purchase and add ons at BWV. I love the BWV for. For me and my wife its perfect. I also like OKW.. for different reasons but I still like it. Both are sold out so somebody else out there likes them to

Joe in CT

Mickies'Girl

03-27-2001, 01:38 PM

Well said Joe. I also like my home resort BWV and I did recieve a "Welcome Home" on my last visit. We had a wonderful view of Space Ship Earth, you couldn't ask for a better view.

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Geubux

03-27-2001, 02:29 PM

I'm sorry richyams. (kiss and makeup). I agree with the earlier post that half the problem is probably our mood when we get to checkin. After driving 14 hours, nothing is right for me. But, after being there 5 days, everything is just zip-a-dee-doo-dah great! Thanks for all the good CM's who do put up with us. Hope the 90% good rub off on the grouches, like me!!!!

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zurgswife

03-27-2001, 02:51 PM

Haven't you ever heard size doesn't matter its how you use it......

I use and enjoy my smaller (2bdrm villas on family visits of course and Grand villas well they are way over rated for my tastes) more then I think I would every use or enjoy either at OKW.

Personally I just enjoy, cherish being able to take my family on lovely vacations to WDW. And BWV's, well they suit me and mine just fine. ;)

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Donna

03-27-2001, 03:03 PM

Not room 2018 and 2020. My "preferred" view was of a tree, the patio door was jammed - would not close, pencil writings all over the bedroom doors, stained carpet, wet carpet, footprints on the walls, unfinished kitchen table, sticky countertops-would not wipe up, 11 cigarette burns in the bathroom. This was AFTER dealing with the rudest CM at check in i've EVER had in all my years of going to disney -including pre-dvc. I still can't believe i cut my OKW stay to 4 days to try out the BW and paid more points for so much less space. I am STILL hearing from my husband "why did we EVER do that?" Now we just say, it's a nice place to visit, but we wouldn't want to stay there. yes, it was based on that one time visit but i've read this and talked to fellow members in person who have had very similar experiences. I won't be taking that chance again. Points are too precious to use there. donna

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baileybrad

03-27-2001, 03:53 PM

well there are just 11 more folks to track down who had a lousy time at a DVC resort. Still pretty a good percentage of happy customers. And yes everyone is happy for those of you who love and defend your home resorts but you all do understand that all of the resorts are great and unique in their own way. :)

MinnieMe2

03-27-2001, 04:10 PM

You stole my come back -- LOL. I agree with everything you said. It shouldn't matter all that much which resort you CHOOSE to stay at. It's just being there that matters. VWL will suit us just fine, and we feel fortunate that we'll finally have some space to spread out in!

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Lisa F

03-27-2001, 04:55 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Compounded by the 1.2 mile hike to the room from check in, made me happy I didn't own in a nasty hotel. It did have its good points...I got to tip a valet every time I left or entered the hotel. I drive everywhere and the marathon to the room was enough to make the valet worthwhile.
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I'll bet that hike was uphill, both ways, in the snow and dark of night as well.

Hmmm, when you say "nasty" do you mean: disgustingly filthy? physically repugnant? Indecent? Obscene? Mean? Tawdry? Extremely hazardous or harmful? Causing severe pain or suffering? (I really love dictionaries :) ).

Just in case you were wondering why people reacted badly to your comments, it might be your "nasty" tone in implying that people who buy at the boardwalk are idiots because of:

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Then to think that owners there are paying 25% higher dues, 25-100% higher points per night and all this for tiny rooms with no dining area, man, am I glad BWV didn't open first, I might have bought there and regretted it my whole life.
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Since you enjoy quotes so much, I figured I'd reply with a few of my own:

There are three kinds of lies: Lies, Damn Lies, and Statistics.
-Benjamin Disraeli

Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital.
Aaron Levenstein

Numbers are like people; torture them enough and they'll tell you anything.

and, my husband's personal favorite:

You use statistics like a drunk uses a lamppost - for support rather than illumination

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>OKW on the other hand, is just as perfect as perfect gets. Friendly CMs, plenty of activities for the kids, luxurios, spacious units and a great view from just about every room.
[/quote]

Hm... "perfect"... do you mean "being entirely without fault or defect?" I'm guessing that this isn't quite true either, judging from the post of the person who originated this thread.

Just some food for thought!

Lisa

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-Le Corbusier

[This message was edited by Lisa F on 03-27-01 at 09:02 PM.]

sconstantz

03-27-2001, 06:05 PM

Rich, aren't you glad that others really like BWV so they stay there? I mean, wouldn't it be a shame if all DVC'rs wanted to stay at OKW and you couldn't get a ressie and were forced to go there? Just wondering....
shellyÃ

AnnK

03-27-2001, 06:13 PM

Lisa,
What a great post!( I honestly don't expect any reply to that!)

Richyams

03-27-2001, 06:40 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> Hmmm, when you say "nasty" do you mean: disgustingly filthy? physically repugnant? Indecent? Obscene? Mean? Tawdry? Extremely hazardous or harmful? Causing severe pain or suffering? (I really love dictionaries ).

[/quote]

Nasty as in extreme pain and suffering. Why should I suffer through a hotel like atmosphere when OKW is right around the corner.

I am not sure if they tilt the building or what, but those endless hallways certinly seemed uphill both ways, that added to the pain. I don't even give my honest feelings on this board, I realize that many people actually like staying at BWV. I really disliked my stay there alot more than I let on.

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> Just in case you were wondering why people reacted badly to your comments, it might be your "nasty" tone in implying that people who buy at the boardwalk are idiots because of:

quote:
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Then to think that owners there are paying 25% higher dues, 25-100% higher points per night and all this for tiny rooms with no dining area, man, am I glad BWV didn't open first, I might have bought there and regretted it my whole life.

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Sorry, this time I didn't add, "Many people believe the location, proximity to parks and the Boardwalk area itself makes dealing with the tiny rooms, high dues and high point schedule worth while."

I will remember to do that in the future.

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> Hm... "perfect"... do you mean "being entirely without fault or defect?" I'm guessing that this isn't quite true either, judging from the post of the person who originated this thread.

[/quote]

I mean perfect in every way, for us.

In my first post, I was giving my feelings about the resort to juxtapose the original posters....it amazes me that so many missed that.

Oh well, methinks that many doth protest too much????

"From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs", Karl Marx,This has failed every time it has been tried, why do we still have liberals?

nydizfan

03-27-2001, 06:52 PM

Hey rich. Some people just get mad when others dont agree with their decsion(sp) . I agree okw is much better if for nothing else but to be able to park right at your front door. When people get angry, there vision must get clouded. dave

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mickey7861

03-27-2001, 06:53 PM

The corridors at the BW are beautiful. When I went to see a friends 1 Bdr that's what convinced me that the Disney magic was really there. Just thinking of the "wooden" walkway carpet and seagrass on the wallpaper makes me long for WDW. If I could find this wallpaper at home I would put it up in my hallway, just a bit of Dis at home. I've also stayed in rooms at WL and Contemp. and walked at lot longer to my room. I think all the DVC resorts are great and luckily they're all different. If they were all alike what would be the point?

HorizonsFan

03-27-2001, 07:57 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> Oh well, methinks that many doth protest too much????[/quote]

"The needs of many far outweigh the needs of the few"
Mr. Spock

Dave

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ripleysmom

03-27-2001, 08:08 PM

Lisa, you are my hero!!! :D

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Tigger1

03-27-2001, 08:33 PM

I am considering buying more points at OKW so I can use them at Vero, pay lower dues, hehe.

Actually, I will buy at Vero to get the 11 month window. The one experience I have had at Vero the CMs were very good. Elevators to get up to the 3rd floor and parking in the basement. A wonderful place to relax. This is my favorite Disney resort. One of Disneys best kept secrets.

I also love to spend time at OKW. I did get a CM that was rude. Twice in one trip. If she is still there in May, I will wait in line for the next CM, hehe.

My DF loves OKW and has no desire to try anything else. Once he leaves though (has to return early for work), The Children and I will try out BWV. I love the atmosphere at BW. We may only go to the park one day and enjoy the resort the other days.

Then there is VWL, well I do not have enough points to add a few days there but if I did, mmmmm

After reading particular post, I am glad I can enjoy all the wonderful things Disney has to offer.

Think positive and enjoy your vacations.

Tigger

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Lisa F

03-28-2001, 03:18 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Nasty as in extreme pain and suffering. Why should I suffer through a hotel like atmosphere when OKW is right around the corner.

I am not sure if they tilt the building or what, but those endless hallways certinly seemed uphill both ways, that added to the pain. I don't even give my honest feelings on this board, I realize that many people actually like staying at BWV. I really disliked my stay there alot more than I let on.
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I've really been trying to respond to this without making any personal attacks on your character, but I'm not sure I can. What kind of "character" would equate staying at a "hotel" (as you call it) with "pain and suffering"? There are so many people in the world who know what real pain and suffering is that it embarasses me that, for whatever reason, you feel like equating your stay at a place that most of the people in this country can't even afford with disease, war and other real horrors that cause real pain and suffering.

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>In my first post, I was giving my feelings about the resort to juxtapose the original posters....it amazes me that so many missed that.
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I think what you miss, time and time again, is that the way to convince someone that something is good is not to convince them that everything else is bad.

If OKW is truly as wonderful as you say it is, then merely discussing the good points should be able to speak for themselves. Instead of saying what most others said, which is "you might want to give OKW another try, it was completely magical for us and here's why" you say, and I paraphrase, "you, and every other person who enjoys the BWV is a complete moron for enjoying it because staying there is the equivalent of having your hometown bombed." If I believed that you were typical of the OKW owner, your statements wouldn't make me want to give it a try again... your statements would make me want to avoid it like the plague because of what the neighbors are like.

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>I mean perfect in every way, for us. [/quote]

Ah, for you. Well that's quite a bit different now, isn't it?

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Oh well, methinks that many doth protest too much????[/quote]

I would say that calling staying in the BWV "extreme pain and suffering" is an inappropriately scaled protest to BWV, yes. Thank you for admitting it. Though, just to clarify, you are not many. You are one. I need to go to work in a few, so feel free to get in the last word while I'm gone.

Lisa

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-Le Corbusier

[This message was edited by Lisa F on 03-28-01 at 07:25 AM.]

Richyams

03-28-2001, 03:43 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> I've really been trying to respond to this without making any personal attacks on your character, but I'm not sure I can. What kind of "character" would equate staying at a "hotel" (as you call it) with "pain and suffering"? There are so many people in the world who know what real pain and suffering is that it embarasses me that, for whatever reason, you feel like equating your stay at a place that most of the people in this country can't even afford with disease, war and other real horrors that cause real pain and suffering. [/quote]

Who is at fault if they are going to need to resort to personal attacks?

Pain and suffering are relative things. I had to suffer through dinner last night without any chocolate milk.....is that an improper use of the word because it minimizes the suffering of the poor in china?

My left foot hurts. I have nerve oroblems in it that have caused a condition known as hammer toes. Long walks can be excrutiting. Those endless hallways cause me nasty pain.

Why did I need to justify my opinion? Because it is strongly held? Because it worries others? Sorry, I don't really feel that my opinion is less valid because it conflicts with yours.

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> I think what you miss, time and time again, is that the way to convince someone that something is good is not to convince them that everything else is bad.

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Again, did you even read the first post in this thread? My post was in the same terms as that post. I believe that it effectively showed that there are people with the opposite opinion.....go back and read it.

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> Ah, for you. Well that's quite a bit different now, isn't it?

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Different???? Different from what? I never said that all people should have the same opinion....did I? As a matter of fact, wasn't my post to show that otheres have different opinions?

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I would say that calling staying in the BWV "extreme pain and suffering" is an inappropriately scaled protest to BWV, yes. Thank you for admitting it. Though, just to clarify, you are not many. You are one. I need to go to work in a few, so feel free to get in the last word while I'm gone.

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Are you joking here? Do you not understand that "many" is the many that are BWV owners that are feeling so sensitive that they need to attack?

I could go on, but this is just an argument now. Unfortunately, people find it difficult to discuss the issues and not eachother.

"From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs", Karl Marx,This has failed every time it has been tried, why do we still have liberals?

pentex

03-28-2001, 04:29 AM

We seem to have trailed off the topic here, which I think may be due to overanalyzing words and even the use of a dictionary? Give me a break...we don't need reference materials to answer someone's question!

Treloarf, I feel terrible that you didn't have a great experience at OKW. We bought in at OKW in 1993 and have visited there every year since except for 2000 when we tried out BWV. I liked BWV and it is a very pretty hotel, but I could never compare it to the experiences we had at OKW. We all felt sad every time we passed OKW by on the road last year, wishing we were staying there instead.

There's not enough room to list all the special ways the OKW cast members have touched the lives of my children. As one quick example, my daughter's birthday fell during one visit and we mentioned it at OKW....all the people behind the reservation desks joined in and sang "Happy Birthday" to her, they gave her a special hat to wear around the resort and then every time the people driving the carts saw us, they drove us anywhere we wanted to go. The hat also earned her free ice cream, a free bike rental and lots of hugs and wishes from CM's she met along the way. When we got home to the room that evening, they had put a bunch of balloons with a card with a photo of the characters, and signed by Mickey Mouse.

Last year,at the BW it was also her birthday. She told the lady at check-in (who was very mechancial about everything to begin with) and she gave a half-smile and said, "That's wonderful". Never even said "Happy Birthday". My daughter also mentioned it to a CM in the hallway and he wished her a Happy Birthday and hurried on.

Like I said, that is just one quick example. I could fill this page with wonderful memories from the OKW. It is truly like a second home to us. Do I think Rich and the others are right about the bigger rooms, drive up parking, etc. making OKW a superior resort? You bet. But there is even more that makes it great for families...it's the atmosphere and the attitudes of the staff, and it's awful you didn't get to experience that. I highly recommend you try it out again because I know you love it.

We are booked for OKW once again for October of this year and even if I could get BWV for the same points and same size room, I would never do it. We tried it and it was nice, but we couldn't be more thrilled to be "going home" again.

CarolAnnC

03-28-2001, 05:05 AM

The topic here is the OKW visit by a first time DVC member. We are all individuals and we all have our own individual experiences and opinions to share. I would like to remind everyone to respect everyone's opinions whether or not you agree with them. Personal attacks will not be tolerated on this board!

Carol
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