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zara
11-09-2009, 12:45 PM
Whole family due to fly out 2nd December. This has been booked since last year!!!! My daughter who is going with us and her family have just had a new baby in May this year, so we added her on the flight quite happily. Now it appears that the baby (Abigail) who is 5 months old might not be able to fly as she was born with a condition called pectus excavatum where the chest bone hasn't developed properly. She sucks her chest in when breathing and the doctor says they will have to put her in to a flight simulator to see how she goes. We were never told that this was serious but a mild case.
This might not happen until 2 days before we are due to leave. We all don't know what to do or whats gonna happen. So folks, all our planning might just have to go out the window if Abigail doesn't pass this flight simulator test.
I am just hoping we will get our money back from insurance........

mackay_j
11-09-2009, 01:59 PM
Hi, sorry to here that, however, I would not rush to fly her long hall. If it were me I think I would play safe contact you insurers and hopefuly they will refund you. If this something that will improve over her first few years, then I would just hold out until she is able to go safely (a simulater will not cover all eventuallities- cabin perssure, tubulance, illness caught before flying back)- You will all get a better holiday, less stress and she will get something out of disney if she is a little older. I hope this doen't sound too harsh I really know how disapointed you feel, we had to pull out of a holiday to mexico that we had been planning for over a year in oct. But I am glad we did, we would have been so on edge watching my girl incase she got worse/relapsed. Now we can go away later and really enjoy it. If you do need to cancel come back on here and we can all give you some suggestions for UK short breaks (or even disney paris) that you can do as a we pick you up to keep you all going until she is safe to fly. We took a boat out on the broads, and visited an indoor water park to keep us going until she was fit to book again. good luck:hug:

aaronandterri
11-10-2009, 06:06 AM
Isabelle had a fit to fly test it involeved various oxygen amounts and pressures and tiny pinprick blood tests , it isnt so bad, the doctor can prescribe you oxygen for the journey, ring and speak to the consultant at the hospital they reffered you to.

bod diddy
11-10-2009, 06:58 AM
I'm sorry, this is no doubt going to rile some people up, but I feel like I need to speak up for those on the other side of the fence.

Is is really the best idea to take a child under a year old on a long haul flight? Even if you look past it's own health and comfort, what about everyone else's on that flight? I recently had to put up with a screaming infant for what seemed like the whole flight.

I had decent earphones, so I wasn't terribly affected, but my sister in law didn't have that same luxury. After the flight she was ready to kill herself. It seems like such a selfish decision to put not only the child, but innocent passengers through the ordeal.

Anyone agree?

dc1964
11-10-2009, 07:05 AM
I'm sorry, this is no doubt going to rile some people up, but I feel like I need to speak up for those on the other side of the fence.

Is is really the best idea to take a child under a year old on a long haul flight? Even if you look past it's own health and comfort, what about everyone else's on that flight? I recently had to put up with a screaming infant for what seemed like the whole flight.

I had decent earphones, so I wasn't terribly affected, but my sister in law didn't have that same luxury. After the flight she was ready to kill herself. It seems like such a selfish decision to put not only the child, but innocent passengers through the ordeal.

Anyone agree?

No......bizarre to use the term innocent passengers. it sort of suggests that parents and children are in some way guilty. It is simply wrong to suggest that parents of young children, some of whom may be suffering from long term illnesses or have different abilities cannot travel just to protect the eardrums of others.
I suppose you were expecting this sort of response.

bod diddy
11-10-2009, 07:49 AM
I suppose you were expecting this sort of response.

Well, yes. But I also hope that there are people that share my view.

If parents know what these screaming children are doing to people around them, then more precautions may be taken to avoid this. We will all be winners!

catherine
11-10-2009, 08:11 AM
I'm sorry, this is no doubt going to rile some people up, but I feel like I need to speak up for those on the other side of the fence.

Is is really the best idea to take a child under a year old on a long haul flight? Even if you look past it's own health and comfort, what about everyone else's on that flight? I recently had to put up with a screaming infant for what seemed like the whole flight.

I had decent earphones, so I wasn't terribly affected, but my sister in law didn't have that same luxury. After the flight she was ready to kill herself. It seems like such a selfish decision to put not only the child, but innocent passengers through the ordeal.

Anyone agree?

DH is from CA and we've lived over there and now live in the UK, so we've been flying backwards and forwards between the states and the UK since our DDs were around 6 months old. We checked with their doctors and we were told that it wasn't a problem for them to fly at that age. They have always been perfectly comfortable. In fact the only time that one of them cried was when she was 3 and we had an overnight flight back from FL and the seat belt sign was on and she wanted to sleep on DHs knee!

Both of my DDs are now older (12 15) and we don't have a problem with other people's children making noise. I figure live and let live!

2Tiggies
11-10-2009, 09:30 AM
Well, yes. But I also hope that there are people that share my view.

If parents know what these screaming children are doing to people around them, then more precautions may be taken to avoid this. We will all be winners!

Children and babies can cry and "play up" without medical conditions. As for your question as to why people want to take infants on a plane, that is a personal choice.

My ex-husband worked abroad for 7 months and left a month after DD was born. He wanted to see his new baby and so, from the time she was 3 weeks old until she was nearly 9 months, I did return trips, long-haul (12 hour flight each way) every 6 weeks with her. I was exhausted and some flights were fine, others were a nightmare. Only once ever did someone complain. Was it worth it? Absolutely! Her father would have missed out on her first 9 months entirely had I not made the effort. I saw it as an investment in the people I care about.

I do respect that someone without children is more likely to be bothered by a baby crying - I would prefer it to be quiet if I had the choice - but at the same time, there is a parent or someone who is having a much harder time with the child and having been there, instead of complaining, I distract myself by seeing if there is anything I can do to help. Everyone to their own ;)

bod diddy
11-10-2009, 09:50 AM
Children and babies can cry and "play up" without medical conditions.

I know, I wouldn't take a child that is less than 3 on a long haul flight at all, even if it has a perfect bill of health.

Only once ever did someone complain.

Not everyone has the brass neck to complain about something like that. I certainly don't, so I'm sure lots of others were affected too.

but at the same time, there is a parent or someone who is having a much harder time with the child

Part of the frustration is that often it seems like that is not the case. If I see a child screaming, I want to see that parents doing everything to get it shut up. Feeding, changing, juggling, stand up comedy, ANYTHING! All too often you look over and the mother is just ignoring it, a plane crammed with people is not the place to experiment with SuperNanny techniques.

2Tiggies
11-10-2009, 09:59 AM
I wasn't actually "knocking" you Bod Diddy. I truly accept that we have different views and yes, there have been times when I shared yours and I am sure there will be other times to come. It's just that in this case the OP is really gutted that the little one has a health problem and also that they may now lose out on the family holiday they have planned so long - as well as potentially the money paid for it.

I am just one of those people who wants everyone to win - idealistic? Yes, but nice, very nice ;). And I want everything to be okay for the OP and family and of course the baby.

I guess it's true what they say: 3 sides to every story - yours, mine and the truth! :goodvibes

wayneg
11-10-2009, 10:30 AM
Please stay on topic of original poster.
Trip planning forum is for helping people plan their trips, not discussing if something is right or not when its clearly allowed.
Thank you.

kristieuk
11-10-2009, 12:26 PM
Zara, I really feel for you. I guess the not knowing is the worst thing of all. I really hope everything goes well - it sounds as though there could be something that could be done to help with the oxygen if necessary? I just wanted to say that I have everything crossed for you, and I really hope that all your planning results in a wonderful holiday.

Without wishing to get into trouble for going off your original post, we have flown long haul regularly with both our daughters since they were as young as 6 weeks, and I wouldn't hesitate to do so again. They have thankfully been very easy travellers, so it shouldn't be assumed that just because a baby is young it will scream for 10 hours! I just didn't want the fear of Abigail being fractious for a whole flight to add to your worries - I'm sure 9 times out of 10, babies are better behaved on a flight than many adults :goodvibes

Pooh's-Honey-Pot
11-10-2009, 02:57 PM
Hope everything works out well for you and your new grand daughter :goodvibes Ignore the negative people . . . some people just love an opportunity to jump on their soap box!!

zara
11-10-2009, 05:45 PM
Thanks for the interesting comments.

And, I have to say that in my experience it is easier to fly with a baby than a toddler or child. Babies sleep more and are more easier. This is from experience. Will tell you all how we get on with the simulator and what our decision is.......

maznorm
11-11-2009, 02:03 AM
I hope the simulator goes well. Babies definitely travel easier than toddlers. We travelled when my daighter was 3 months old and my son was 15 months old. My daughter cried every waking minute of her 1st year. No reason, she was just a crier. On the plane however, she slept for the entire 9 hours!! My son was also very well behaved and basically sat and watched the seatback TV the entire flight. We were sat in the same section as several other parents of young children (we called it the nursery) and during the whole flight only one baby got upset for a short period of time because her ears popped. Fortunately, because they sat all the parents together and we were all sympathetic and offered our help.

I hope all goes well and that the flight is uneventful and the trip wonderful. Have fun!!

Babies are great at suprising you. Good luck whatever you decide.:grouphug:

Oh, and "bod diddy" this same daughter cried for an hour whilst we stood in a queue for our flight. They let everyone but the parents of young children on first. Before they called our flight, we had to stand there holding 2 crying, screaming children, whilst people like you sat in your seats and tutted. If one of you had the decency to get off your judgemental butts, my daughter and son would have both been fine, and these people wouldn't have had to listen to them.

Laurafoster
11-11-2009, 02:22 AM
I hope your grandaughter is ok :) I know it must be fustrating to not know so close to your holiday! Especially when you have been looking forward to it for so long! Prehaps you could phone your travel insurance and talk to them about it and see what the situation is.

On my last flight i had a screaming adult in the seat behind me! And i do mean screaming! Everytime there was the slightest noise or bump she would go into one, her husband kept trying to calm her down but no luck. So everyone can "annoy" other passengers - adult or child but they still have every right to be there. At the end of the day its a 9 hour flight and as soon as you get off you forget all about it.

T16GEM
11-11-2009, 04:33 AM
I hope that the tests all go ok and that you are all able to go on holiday. :goodvibes



Ignore the negative people . . . some people just love an opportunity to jump on their soap box!!

Yup, any excuse will do for some! :sad2:

zara
11-13-2009, 09:16 AM
Ok guys. Simulator is happening on 25th November, exactly one week before we fly.
This has taken our excitement away before we go but we are still preparing for our holiday. As insurance was taken out after Abigail was born, and this condition she seems to have been born with (although no one told us so)!!
we have a LOT of money to lose. Maybe some of us will go. We are not sure of anything at the moment. We are just planning a day at a time.

Will keep you posted......

scottish mum
11-13-2009, 09:43 AM
Ok guys. Simulator is happening on 25th November, exactly one week before we fly.
This has taken our excitement away before we go but we are still preparing for our holiday. As insurance was taken out after Abigail was born, and this condition she seems to have been born with (although no one told us so)!!
we have a LOT of money to lose. Maybe some of us will go. We are not sure of anything at the moment. We are just planning a day at a time.

Will keep you posted......

Hope everything works out ok for you all.

buzz for boys
11-15-2009, 06:42 AM
Hope everything works out ok for you guys and you get to go !!!

As for screaming infants - each to their own i suppose but if it bothers you so much maybe economy isnt the right place for you !!! On a flight to orlando you will always find a lot of children and yes sometimes they cry !!!

T16GEM
11-15-2009, 09:50 AM
Ok guys. Simulator is happening on 25th November, exactly one week before we fly.
This has taken our excitement away before we go but we are still preparing for our holiday. As insurance was taken out after Abigail was born, and this condition she seems to have been born with (although no one told us so)!!
we have a LOT of money to lose. Maybe some of us will go. We are not sure of anything at the moment. We are just planning a day at a time.

Will keep you posted......

I hope that everything works out ok for you :)

diddldonna
11-16-2009, 04:25 PM
I hope everything will be okay for you, your in my thoughts :)

higgy66
11-17-2009, 06:49 AM
Ok guys. Simulator is happening on 25th November, exactly one week before we fly.
This has taken our excitement away before we go but we are still preparing for our holiday. As insurance was taken out after Abigail was born, and this condition she seems to have been born with (although no one told us so)!!
we have a LOT of money to lose. Maybe some of us will go. We are not sure of anything at the moment. We are just planning a day at a time.

Will keep you posted......

Just check your policy as it's usually goes by diagnosis date. The fact your grand daughter was born with it may not be when she was diagnosed with it. If you had the insurance before diagnosis you MAY be covered.

Good luck with the tests. Regardless of age - it's disappointing when anyone has to cancel as it affects the whole group

wicket2005
11-19-2009, 10:01 AM
Sending pixie dust and hugs that it all works out. Whether your grand daughter is fit to fly is out of your hands, fingers crossed she will be, not much you can do but keep everything crossed till the simulator. Yes I know it will be hard to walk around with everything crossed but needs must.;)

Look forward to hearing that everything went well next week.:goodvibes

zara
11-19-2009, 12:23 PM
You are all lovely people and thanks for the concern.
Abigail is a happy baby so we are still holding our breath for next Wednesday.
Airline has said that we are allowed to take a POC onboard. (Personal oxygen concentrator) which doesnt weigh very much. We thought we would check it all out anyway. It all comes down to the simulator test.......haven't got the cases down just yet.....

kristieuk
11-19-2009, 03:57 PM
Good luck for next week. Everything crossed:wizard::wizard::wizard:

mackay_j
11-25-2009, 07:49 AM
any news yet?

zara
11-25-2009, 05:00 PM
Well guys. The simulator test has been done and guess what - yes Abigail passed the test with flying colours. Just to meet with the Consultant on Monday morning but we have the green light. So now I can do the single digit dance:banana::banana::banana::banana::banana::bana na::banana:
At least we all know that we are going now.:cool1:

wayneg
11-25-2009, 05:02 PM
Thats great news!!!!!:goodvibes

:cool1::yay::banana::cheer2::woohoo:

catherine
11-26-2009, 12:49 AM
That's brilliant news! :thumbsup2 I'm so happy for you :goodvibes

strawberry blonde
11-26-2009, 01:23 AM
Great news. Have a wonderful time. :cool1:

mackay_j
11-26-2009, 03:10 AM
get those cases out!!!!:cool1: happy for you


We are still waiting to see whats going to happen with my mum (still in hospital still waiting on the echo cardiogram), can't believe its happening to us again after having to cancel in oct because my eldest girl was ill (she has a mass 20cm removed from her pelvis, we only just got the go ahead to go a few weeks back when test showed not cancer, and we were so excited that the holiday was going to happen !!:sick: This is our last chance to go away as a family before my eldest starts exams after easter then she's has a job lined up for the the summerand after that she moves away to uni, so I will be soo..... dissapointed if we do have to cancel- but familys health comes first.:sad1:

2Tiggies
11-26-2009, 04:35 AM
I think you and your family have MORE than earned this holiday. I hope it is the best, most magical time you have EVER had and that this one will always stand out as one of those extra special memories. Hope your mum is okay. :goodvibes

wicket2005
11-26-2009, 10:41 AM
Fantastic news, enjoy your holiday.

mackay, have everything crossed for you, hope things work out.