Bay Lake Rip-off!

[canals68]

Looks gaudy and cold in the photos I've seen. Not a big fan of the decor and @ $110+ per point? Convenient to MK and monorail but the Epcot resorts have so much more character IMHO. I've visited or stayed at every DVC resort in person and this one just doesn't look that appealing. Just one guys opinion.

[Chuck S]

Then if I were you, I simply wouldn't purchase an interest in BLT, and would avoid staying there. Not every DVC resort appeals to everyone. What you may see as gaudy and cold, others may see as futurist. I actually kind of like the decor and location, but it wouldn't be my very first choice of resort, I prefer the condo style of OKW for the convenient parking, since we drive.

BWV and BCV aren't my cup of tea, but they are popular resorts.

Choices, one of the many beautiful things of DVC.

[silmarg]

Looks gaudy and cold in the photos I've seen. Not a big fan of the decor and @ $110+ per point? Convenient to MK and monorail but the Epcot resorts have so much more character IMHO. I've visited or stayed at every DVC resort in person and this one just doesn't look that appealing. Just one guys opinion.

"Rip off" is strong language... but I hear BLT is over 50% sold out... so what is a rip-off to you is an apparent value to others.

For me, I view a DVC point as a DVC point. And SSR on the resale market is the best bargain out there. And SSR is a real nice resort.

I did do the DVC tour recently, and I was not crazy about BLTs room decor. AKVs rooms were so much better themed - but that is my opinion.

[2infinityandbeyond]

Rip off?? :confused3

AFAIK, nobody is forcing you to purchase BLT. Once nice thing about DVC is that you have choices. If you don't like BLT and you're interested in DVC, look for alternatives.

[casper]

canals68...I'm really not sure what the point of your post is. Are you looking for those whom agree with you so that you don't feel alone in your opinion? Or are you trying to pick a fight by using strong words like "Ripp-off!, gaudy, and cold?" Or are you trying to increase the value of your ownership at the EPCOT resorts so that you can sell them?

I don't own at BLT and probably never will. But people have sunk a lot of money into it and I'm sure they will enjoy the decor and location.

As one that gets tired of hearing people slam my home resort (a place I really like) sometimes I think it would be just more prudent to not say anything if a resort isn't up to our personal tastes.

Service issues, cleanliness issues, etc... are different stories that might be worthy of posting.

Anyway:flower3:

[WolfpackFan]

I've visited or stayed at every DVC resort in person and this one just doesn't look that appealing. Just one guys opinion.

So that makes it a rip-off? Personally, I like the appearance, so that makes it a fantastic deal I guess.

[Cyndibear]

Good thing there are other DVC resorts to choose from!!

Cyndi

[corpcomp]

My guide told me today it was over 50% sold out and the price goes to $120 on October 1. Ouch!

[eliza61]

I wouldn't call it a rip off.
I don't like the decor either, but I didn't like the Contemporary so it wasn't unexpected.

I do like the fact that Disney has a bunch of different themes so if one doesn't float your boat, there are 6 more to float your boat.

variety is the spice of life.

[rentayenta]

BLT is my least favorite, though the recent set of photos are terrific, but I wouldn't call it a rip-off. Some people love it and that's cool. :thumbsup2 Something for every DVC style. pixiedust:

[Muushka]

The Contemporary is so not my style. But one year we stayed there and loved it. While we would not buy points there, I look forward to staying there again one of these days. I have Hope that we will be able to book there.:goodvibes

[DenLo]

Looks gaudy and cold in the photos I've seen. Not a big fan of the decor and @ $110+ per point? Convenient to MK and monorail but the Epcot resorts have so much more character IMHO. I've visited or stayed at every DVC resort in person and this one just doesn't look that appealing. Just one guys opinion.

Catchy title, but just a bit inaccurate. You wouldn't be stirring up some folks would you? :stir: You can buy BCV from Disney direct at $106 a point right now, so that's only a $4 difference. But of course most would buy resale instead and get it much cheaper.

It's okay that you don't like the looks of BLT. But some of us do. ;)

[Mickey'sApprentice]

popcorn::

[lisah0711]

Looks gaudy and cold in the photos I've seen. Not a big fan of the decor and @ $110+ per point? Convenient to MK and monorail but the Epcot resorts have so much more character IMHO. I've visited or stayed at every DVC resort in person and this one just doesn't look that appealing. Just one guys opinion.

Wow! Tell us how you really feel! That is the nice thing about DVC, there is something for everyone. :thumbsup2

[Tara]

Looks gaudy and cold in the photos I've seen. Not a big fan of the decor and @ $110+ per point? Convenient to MK and monorail but the Epcot resorts have so much more character IMHO. I've visited or stayed at every DVC resort in person and this one just doesn't look that appealing. Just one guys opinion.

I suggest that you don't stay there or buy points there, then.

:rolleyes:

[hakepb]

While I'm not the largest fan of the decor, the potential ability to sleep in an extra hour (or use the extra hour enjoying my vacation) on the mornings I go to Chef Mickeys, Ohana, MK... would certainly make the price premium worhwhile. Where do you buy quality vacation time for less?
.. if only I could afford an add-on!

[DVC Mike]

Bay Lake Rip-off! Looks gaudy and cold in the photos I've seen. Not a big fan of the decor and @ $110+ per point?

Don't hold back... tell us how you really feel about BLT.

[Gowahoowa]

Don't hold back... tell us how you really feel about BLT.

popcorn:: can't wait for our first stay in a few months!

[senator74]

If you are going to make such an aggressive comment about the resort, be big enough to continue with the thread and respond to other people's thoughts about your strong comments. It almost seems like you started a post just to throw out a negative vibe about BLT. I for one am not a big fan of it from what I see, but I would not try and take away from the allure of the resort for many, many other people. We love AKV, but I can see why some families would be excited about BLT.

[TLSnell1981]

While I'm not the largest fan of the decor, the potential ability to sleep in an extra hour (or use the extra hour enjoying my vacation) on the mornings I go to Chef Mickeys, Ohana, MK... .

I considered a add-on at BLT entirely for these reasons. BUT, I was turned off by the price, high points per stay, the decor and the design flaws. The final, deciding factor, (for me)....the "views". I wouldn't be happy paying for an MK view and chance getting a not so "magical" view.

[MrToad_at_BLT]

If you are going to make such an aggressive comment about the resort, be big enough to continue with the thread and respond to other people's thoughts about your strong comments. It almost seems like you started a post just to throw out a negative vibe about BLT. I for one am not a big fan of it from what I see, but I would not try and take away from the allure of the resort for many, many other people. We love AKV, but I can see why some families would be excited about BLT.

:thumbsup2

[cogero]

Guess I don't have to worry about you wanting a room there. :lmao:

I can't wait for our stay there in August 10 :) :banana::banana::banana:

[quirty30]

Yeah I don't like it either. Will be such awful punishment tomorrow checking into our dedicated 2 bedroom with a Bay Lake view.......looks like a really crappy place to spend the weekend...........;) ;)

[Tara]

Yeah I don't like it either. Will be such awful punishment tomorrow checking into our dedicated 2 bedroom with a Bay Lake view.......looks like a really crappy place to spend the weekend...........;) ;)

My thoughts will be with you. Be strong!!

:rotfl:

[hawaiian mickey]

Looks gaudy and cold in the photos I've seen. Not a big fan of the decor and @ $110+ per point? Convenient to MK and monorail but the Epcot resorts have so much more character IMHO. I've visited or stayed at every DVC resort in person and this one just doesn't look that appealing. Just one guys opinion.
aloha,
I think he just wanted to create a stir an just disappear into the darkness:rotfl2::rotfl2::rotfl2:
aloha
hawaiian mickey

[dizfan]

Everyone's entitled to their own opinion.

What we like about DVC is the various options. One person may like X, another likes Y, and a third likes Z.

As for the price, I imagine some who bought OKW around $54/pt in the 90's have similar reactions to the price of everyone who has bought since.
For that matter, didn't they also receive multiple years of APs with their purchase?

BTW, if more people felt like the OP we might get our wailtlist filed for December (and we bought there). :rotfl:

[DVCGeek]

Lowest dues of any DVC resort + tied for longest remaining contract with VGC. Uhhh, by my math the total cost of ownership (purchase + dues) spread over the life of the contract is cheaper at BLT than any other resort, resale or Disney purchased. How is that a rip off? Huh, guess that's part of why I own there!!!

Oh, and on the waitlist part, I have a SV studio waitlisted for my inlaws Feb 2 - 5. If anyone else hates BLT, please cancel your ressie. TIA!

[queenie82]

Yeah I don't like it either. Will be such awful punishment tomorrow checking into our dedicated 2 bedroom with a Bay Lake view.......looks like a really crappy place to spend the weekend...........;) ;)
I know I feel so awful being forced to stay there as part of our upcoming stay. I mean there is a lounge that looks over to some stupid castle and a noisy pointless monorail going by all the time and there is no bus to get to the castle if you want to go there anyway. They expect you to walk!!!
sigh...

[TagsMissy]

I look at it this way -- one less person I have to worry about staying in and booking one of my rooms that I may want ;) ;)

I'll gladly stay in my cold, gaudy, ripped off room any day. :thumbsup2

Not certain your intent in your posting other than to attempt to insult BLT owners and then hide in the corner not wanting to face anybody? :confused3:confused3

[disneynutz]

My guide told me today it was over 50% sold out and the price goes to $120 on October 1. Ouch!

And a couple of months later Disney will offer another limited time price incentive to make us feel like a we have to rush out and buy. :sad2:

[fers31]

While everyone has lined up to jump on the OP, he DOES have a valid case. If you compare the upcoming $120/pt hike that is planned and compare it to SSR on the resale marked for almost half price, BLT does seem to be a rip-off. Not trying to slam anyone for buying there as BLT's proximity to MK does make it interesting, paying double for points doesn't make the most sense financially. If you NEED to have BLT at Christmas or New Years, I understand, but if you take out the strong words the OP used, you can easily relate.

[jakenjess]

Yeah I don't like it either. Will be such awful punishment tomorrow checking into our dedicated 2 bedroom with a Bay Lake view.......looks like a really crappy place to spend the weekend...........;) ;)

I'm so sorry you have to endure that ;) ! We'll be staying in a ded. 2BR BL view in January. I'd love to hear about your trip! Have fun!

You know, AKV aren't really my cup of tea, though I'm sure we'll try it out sometime, you never know until you stay there. But I certainly don't feel the need to call it a "rip-off" or bash it in any way. I love the way DVC has many different styles and locations to fit everyone's tastes. You don't have to stay at BLT; more room for those who love it!:thumbsup2

[cheezNE1]

Just like any real estate... location, location , location and with that, comes a price. I bought it mainly because of the location and view of MK. And love the futuristic ikea like decor, but i would have liked more if it was condo like SSR, but then we wouldn't get the view.
There are reasons why there are price difference in diff resort just like everything else.

[DeeCee735]

Yeah I don't like it either. Will be such awful punishment tomorrow checking into our dedicated 2 bedroom with a Bay Lake view.......looks like a really crappy place to spend the weekend...........;) ;)


:rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:

Its a terrible thing, isn't it! LOL

HAVE A GREAT VACATION!

As far as OP thought's go....to each his own. I saw the model of BLT 2 bdrm lockoff at the LI preview center. Looks pretty cool to me. While we don't own there, and won't be buying in there, it is definitely a place we'd like to try somewhere down the line. And, we don't feel that way about every DVC resort.

I think it offers an awesome opportunity for all those who've been waiting and wanting a monorail DVC resort. It's supposed to be futuristic, after all the Contemporary was put up as such and considered way before it's time.

I say, LOVE your DVC and enjoy every minute of it! JMHO :cutie:

[smjj]

OP. Pretty strong words(rip off). The nice thing about DVC is the wide selection available. I am glad they are so different, it allow people to try them all. I would not want them to be so vanilla that if you stayed at one, you stayed at them all. Different strokes for different folks...smjj

[dianeschlicht]

Just like any real estate... location, location , location and with that, comes a price. I bought it mainly because of the location and view of MK. And love the futuristic ikea like decor, but i would have liked more if it was condo like SSR, but then we wouldn't get the view.
There are reasons why there are price difference in diff resort just like everything else.

Interesting, since the location of BLT is one of the reasons I'm not interested in staying there! A big high rise generic looking "hotel" on the shores of a man made lagoon overlooking a parking lot just don't warm the cockles of my heart, and since MK is my least favorite park, I don't ever see myself wanting to stay there. As for the decor....hate it, and it too will be VERY dated VERY soon.

Please don't take my post as a slam at BLT. It's just not my cup of tea, but that's exactly why DVC is such a good deal! We can all buy the locations and resorts that appeal to us and don't HAVE to stay at the others if we choose not to. I don't ever choose to stay at BLT or BWV.

[Coach81]

Rip off???

[CMOORE185]

Just like any real estate... location, location , location and with that, comes a price. I bought it mainly because of the location and view of MK. And love the futuristic ikea like decor, but i would have liked more if it was condo like SSR, but then we wouldn't get the view.
There are reasons why there are price difference in diff resort just like everything else.

I could understand this philosophy if you had to own there to stay there, but you do not. Any DVC member can stay at BLT. I can understand if you bought for the lower MF, more years, and possibly holding resale value longer than the other resorts, but as far as location all DVC members can get that.

[TiaMaria]

Hmm looked "gaudy and cold" in "photos"? The OP hasn't even been to the models to see for himself? :confused3

Sounds more to me like sour grapes over not being able to afford BLT. ;)

[*KeepMovingForward*]

Yeah I don't like it either. Will be such awful punishment tomorrow checking into our dedicated 2 bedroom with a Bay Lake view.......looks like a really crappy place to spend the weekend...........;) ;)

We appreciate you taking one for the team. Hope its not too rough on you and the family. ;)

[wildernessDad]

Looks gaudy and cold in the photos I've seen. Not a big fan of the decor and @ $110+ per point? Convenient to MK and monorail but the Epcot resorts have so much more character IMHO. I've visited or stayed at every DVC resort in person and this one just doesn't look that appealing. Just one guys opinion.

Have you visited or stayed at BLT? If not, then you haven't visited or stayed at every DVC resort in person.

[cyndixo]

We stayed at BLT Sept before our cruise and we absolutely adored it. I thought everything about it was great. Thats the good thing about DVC there is something for everyone.

[cheezNE1]

I could understand this philosophy if you had to own there to stay there, but you do not. Any DVC member can stay at BLT. I can understand if you bought for the lower MF, more years, and possibly holding resale value longer than the other resorts, but as far as location all DVC members can get that.

True in a sense if we're just talking about the price to buy as a 'Home' resort. And i'm sure there's a reason for calling it a "home" resort. And with that kind of location, 11 months window is important as well. Also the amount of points needed to stay there also plays a role. Whether buying in or not, the bottom line is, to stay in that kind of location comes a price / points. :) If every resort didn't have their own intricate values, than they would all be the same price and points.

[corpcomp]

And a couple of months later Disney will offer another limited time price incentive to make us feel like a we have to rush out and buy. :sad2:

Ahh you have broken the code!!!

[BEASLYBOO]

Personally, the decor nor the location is my cup of tea, but I will most certainly try a 2Br this summer just to experience the MK view/fireworks. The point structure is steep in my opinion, I woulnd't go as far as calling it a "Rip Off". In the end people are entitled to their opinions and even to share them on the boards even if it causes a "raucus". Like the poster, my lack of attendance at BLT will be someone else's gain!

[photobob]

To each his own, I am not a huge MK fan so BLT doesn't have as much appeal to me for that reason. I will however probably stay there at some point. A previous poster mentioned that if BLT does go up to $120 per point that it would be difficult not to buy resale contract at other resorts for a fraction of the price. I do agree with that point, I don't think the 11 month window for BLT is worth paying so much more per point. I just wish I could afford an add-on right now, there are really some great deals to be had!

Just checked The Timeshare Store and found a 150 point contract at SSR for $68 per point which comes out the $10,200. If BLT goes to $120 per point the same contract there would cost you $18,000. I don't think I could justify that much more money basically just to have the 11 month window for that or any resort.

[edk35]

Well when the BLT was announced and the pictures of the models started surfacing I thought I wouldn't like it. The decor just didn't do a thing for me. Matter of fact there were many heated threads about who liked it, who was buying, who hated it. Then we visited the models at SSR on one our trips and I still wasn't that into what I saw. However my husband and son thought it was great and liked it better than the models for AKV Kidani that we had bought into sight unseen. Then we went to the DVC presentation in July and got to tour BLT and visit the Grand Villa. I have to say....I had a different feeling. I liked actually being able to tour the tower and the villas. That made a difference in my opinion. I could see us staying there at some point for a split stay when we want to do MK or a special party at MK. The funny thing was my husband decided he DIDN"T care for BLT really after taking the tour..... like he thought he did back months before when we saw the models.

Then on this same trip we stayed at Kidani and we ALL loved loved loved the decor/villas/resort and y DH's opinion and my son's opinion took a 180 compared to when they were comparing the models at SSR of BLT and Kidani. SO.....for us...it took actually seeing the BLT and touring tye villas to determine our feelings about the new DVC resort. Like i said...I can see us staying there at some point to try it just like we did for the others.

[Cmbar]

Interesting, since the location of BLT is one of the reasons I'm not interested in staying there! A big high rise generic looking "hotel" on the shores of a man made lagoon overlooking a parking lot just don't warm the cockles of my heart, and since MK is my least favorite park, I don't ever see myself wanting to stay there. As for the decor....hate it, and it too will be VERY dated VERY soon.

Please don't take my post as a slam at BLT. It's just not my cup of tea, but that's exactly why DVC is such a good deal! We can all buy the locations and resorts that appeal to us and don't HAVE to stay at the others if we choose not to. I don't ever choose to stay at BLT or BWV.

I can see your point as it looks like the resorts you own don't have location as a factor. It is one of things we love about DVC! Everyone has their own likes and dislikes. You obviously like animals or you wouldn't have bought at AKV. Other than the cheap points for some rooms, I find the resort way too dark to enjoy. I guess it is nice if you like a dark dungeon feel on your vacation, liked to be bus blocked and look at ugly, hot, flat land in florida (Goodness florida has ugly trees) with a bunch of animals running around that you can check out on the Discovery channel! For some that is an amazing experience though. For us it is simply not our cup of tea:thumbsup2

For us BLT meant location, location, location and cheap MF'S:lmao: I personally don't like the decor, but I am not living there I am visiting for short periods of time in my life and my thrill is Disney, not that room decor. I don't care for sleeping in and hanging in my room when I have a huge resort to see and experience so I would never, ever stay at OKW. It has nothing to offer but simply that Condo relaxation feel which is great if you go to some other place than Disney. I grew up in Florida and I would never choose to vacation in Orlando if I wasn't doing Disney, so a Condo style timeshare would never suffice for our vacation. I want views and convenience on Vacation, not a mini home I feel like I have to cook in. But some DVC'ers love that feeling.

I would rather be on the monrail in five minutes or be at the MK in less. Walking to MK was awesome and having all those great restaurants/resorts and sounds of the lake. For goodness sake I can hear the train at MK. That is what floats our boat! And I don't care if what they are floating on is man made or not! Was the lake between the BWV and BCV man made? Does anyone know? This is definitely what I love about DVC ... something for everyone.

To the OP ..... Your not being serious your just trying to :stir: So glad one more DVC member won't be plugging up our rooms!

[cheezNE1]

To each his own, I am not a huge MK fan so BLT doesn't have as much appeal to me for that reason. I will however probably stay there at some point. A previous poster mentioned that if BLT does go up to $120 per point that it would be difficult not to buy resale contract at other resorts for a fraction of the price. I do agree with that point, I don't think the 11 month window for BLT is worth paying so much more per point. I just wish I could afford an add-on right now, there are really some great deals to be had!

Just checked The Timeshare Store and found a 150 point contract at SSR for $68 per point which comes out the $10,200. If BLT goes to $120 per point the same contract there would cost you $18,000. I don't think I could justify that much more money basically just to have the 11 month window for that or any resort.

When we compare pricing, should it be from equal sources. So if SSR is $68 resale, the BLT listed resale currently is $98 per pt. Of course when comparing resale price to directly from disney, there's definitely a big difference. Just like SSR directly from Disney is no way $68/pts.

[Reddog1134]

I like BLTs proximity to MK but when I joined the DVC I chose AKV. The room did seem cold and somewhat sterile to me. I prefer the warm colors of AKV. But like everyone has been saying, one the great things about DVC is your choices. Staying at a different resort is a new experience from the previous resort and everyone has their own preferences.

And I would never call it a rip-off. Especially when you consider what non-members would have to pay.

[jade1]

I could understand this philosophy if you had to own there to stay there, but you do not. Any DVC member can stay at BLT. I can understand if you bought for the lower MF, more years, and possibly holding resale value longer than the other resorts, but as far as location all DVC members can get that.

True, but BLT members can stay at the other resorts as well (much easier by the way) and the lower MF's used there make it an even better deal.

Also your post also points out exactly why it's not a rip off, and appears to be gaining value already, even in this economy.

[cheezNE1]

I can see your point as it looks like the resorts you own don't have location as a factor. It is one of things we love about DVC! Everyone has their own likes and dislikes. You obviously like animals or you wouldn't have bought at AKV. Other than the cheap points for some rooms, I find the resort way too dark to enjoy. I guess it is nice if you like a dark dungeon feel on your vacation, liked to be bus blocked and look at ugly, hot, flat land in florida (Goodness florida has ugly trees) with a bunch of animals running around that you can check out on the Discovery channel! For some that is an amazing experience though. For us it is simply not our cup of tea:thumbsup2

For us BLT meant location, location, location and cheap MF'S:lmao: I personally don't like the decor, but I am not living there I am visiting for short periods of time in my life and my thrill is Disney, not that room decor. I don't care for sleeping in and hanging in my room when I have a huge resort to see and experience so I would never, ever stay at OKW. It has nothing to offer but simply that Condo relaxation feel which is great if you go to some other place than Disney. I grew up in Florida and I would never choose to vacation in Orlando if I wasn't doing Disney, so a Condo style timeshare would never suffice for our vacation. I want views and convenience on Vacation, not a mini home I feel like I have to cook in. But some DVC'ers love that feeling.

I would rather be on the monrail in five minutes or be at the MK in less. Walking to MK was awesome and having all those great restaurants/resorts and sounds of the lake. For goodness sake I can hear the train at MK. That is what floats our boat! And I don't care if what they are floating on is man made or not! Was the lake between the BWV and BCV man made? Does anyone know? This is definitely what I love about DVC ... something for everyone.

To the OP ..... Your not being serious your just trying to :stir: So glad one more DVC member won't be plugging up our rooms!

Exactly, some pay more to see animals, and some pay more for the convenience. I like the fact that by staying at BLT, you can simply walk to MK ( especially if you have younger kids) and being able to watch the fireworks without having to go to the park. And all this brings back to location, location. There are always reasons for why prices are at where they are. Is it fair?.. it all depends on the individual. To some, it's a rip-off, but to others, it might be a gem. :goodvibes

[Cmbar]

While everyone has lined up to jump on the OP, he DOES have a valid case. If you compare the upcoming $120/pt hike that is planned and compare it to SSR on the resale marked for almost half price, BLT does seem to be a rip-off. Not trying to slam anyone for buying there as BLT's proximity to MK does make it interesting, paying double for points doesn't make the most sense financially. If you NEED to have BLT at Christmas or New Years, I understand, but if you take out the strong words the OP used, you can easily relate.


There are lots of things that go into "makes sense finacially". While you can compare SSR resale to BLT Disney direct, you are not comparing apples to apples. SSR started somewhere around 98$ a point when it began selling. Not sure of the price but I believe it was in the 90's . It is now in the 60's. While that is a good deal for someone getting in to the market now it really stinks for the owner that bought SSR back then. So it did not make much sense financially for someone to buy SSR back then, they should have grabbed something cheaper on the resale market. I personally don' t think BLT will lose value like SSR simply because of its size and location. It will continue to be a difficult resort to get even with its disadvantages such as Studio design flaw, and "so called ugly" look and decor. The overwhelming response from it's opening is that it is an awesome resort. So If I take the fact that it is a desireable property and factor in that its' maintenance fees are less than even SSR's was when the property opened 5 years ago I think you could see that BLT is not necessarily a "rip off". Now in 5 years if BLT losses 30% of its value then you would be right, but at that time what will SSR be worth in comparison?

I am not going to sell my BLT nor are you probably going to sell SSR, but my point is just that what makes financial sense over the long haul does factor. MF alone will be less over the years for a BLT owner than a SSR owner. Some people don't care where they own... I get that but I can't see where you can compare it to a point of a "rip off". The new properties are always a more expensive cost. It's like buying a new car versus a used car... the used car will always be cheaper and make better financial sense!

[fers31]

[QUOTE=Cmbar;33700320]I can see your point as it looks like the resorts you own don't have location as a factor. It is one of things we love about DVC! Everyone has their own likes and dislikes. You obviously like animals or you wouldn't have bought at AKV. Other than the cheap points for some rooms, I find the resort way too dark to enjoy. I guess it is nice if you like a dark dungeon feel on your vacation, liked to be bus blocked and look at ugly, hot, flat land in florida (Goodness florida has ugly trees) with a bunch of animals running around that you can check out on the Discovery channel! For some that is an amazing experience though. For us it is simply not our cup of tea:thumbsup2 QUOTE]

Wow....nasty enough??

[jade1]

"hotel" on the shores of a man made lagoon overlooking a parking lot just don't warm the cockles of my heart,

Please don't take my post as a slam at BLT.

Slam? Heck no, some of us have no problem with a view improved by the hands of the "man" that is the reason we even have WDW and DVC:

http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc149/jademn/walt.jpg

It always was a lake-just made better.

When Walt Disney and his staff were searching for land in Florida, the site they selected included a large lake with an island in the middle of it. The lake was Bay Lake, and they felt that the natural lake was an attractive feature of the property. But because of the poor water quality, the lake was drained and the muck at the bottom was cleaned out. Underneath, they found lots of white sand, which was used to create the beaches at the different hotels which were under construction. The lake was then refilled.

So the view at BLT is where it all started.

http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc149/jademn/baylaket.jpg

Come to think of it, there's a lot of man made stuff at Walt Disney that warms the cockles of my heart. :love:

but that's exactly why DVC is such a good deal! We can all buy the locations and resorts that appeal to us and don't HAVE to stay at the others if we choose not to.

I agree, but some of us look at differently. BLT points have a much better chance of switching to say...OKW/SSR at 7 months than the other way around making the lower MF costs an even better deal.

[Ramsfan28]

Looks gaudy and cold in the photos I've seen. Not a big fan of the decor and @ $110+ per point? Convenient to MK and monorail but the Epcot resorts have so much more character IMHO. I've visited or stayed at every DVC resort in person and this one just doesn't look that appealing. Just one guys opinion.

Sounds like somebody wants attention. :rolleyes1

[Cmbar]

Interesting, since the location of BLT is one of the reasons I'm not interested in staying there! A big high rise generic looking "hotel" on the shores of a man made lagoon overlooking a parking lot just don't warm the cockles of my heart, and since MK is my least favorite park, I don't ever see myself wanting to stay there. As for the decor....hate it, and it too will be VERY dated VERY soon.
Please don't take my post as a slam at BLT. It's just not my cup of tea, but that's exactly why DVC is such a good deal! We can all buy the locations and resorts that appeal to us and don't HAVE to stay at the others if we choose not to. I don't ever choose to stay at BLT or BWV.

[QUOTE=Cmbar;33700320]I can see your point as it looks like the resorts you own don't have location as a factor. It is one of things we love about DVC! Everyone has their own likes and dislikes. You obviously like animals or you wouldn't have bought at AKV. Other than the cheap points for some rooms, I find the resort way too dark to enjoy. I guess it is nice if you like a dark dungeon feel on your vacation, liked to be bus blocked and look at ugly, hot, flat land in florida (Goodness florida has ugly trees) with a bunch of animals running around that you can check out on the Discovery channel! For some that is an amazing experience though. For us it is simply not our cup of tea:thumbsup2 QUOTE]

Wow....nasty enough??



Hey how come you didn't say her post about BLT was nasty???

I was just pointing out that others see AKV as a non desirable resort as she sees BLT. Doesn't make her or I nasty, the point is it has the same negative affect on each of us. We don't necessarily want to stay there on our trip. That is what is great about DVC. I haven't tried AKV but only because I don't like the dark themes and animals and its location forces it to be bus blocked. Doesn't mean it isn't a great resort! So nope, not nasty just agreeing with Diane that everyone is different.

PS.. DianeSchlicht and all AKV owners... no nastiness intended in my post! really! :goodvibes

[DVCGeek]

Just checked The Timeshare Store and found a 150 point contract at SSR for $68 per point which comes out the $10,200. If BLT goes to $120 per point the same contract there would cost you $18,000. I don't think I could justify that much more money basically just to have the 11 month window for that or any resort.

BLT: 2060 end date; 51 UYs of points. $18k / 51 / 150 = ~$2.3529 per point each year

SSR: 2054 end date; 46 UYs of points if loaded. $10.2k / 46 / 150 = ~$1.4783 per point each year

Savings on purchase: ~$0.8747ppy (per point / year)

BLT dues: $3.6709
SSR dues: $4.3353
difference: $0.6644

So, assuming no inflation BLT has a net cost of ~$0.2103ppy more. $0.2103 x 150 x 51 = $1608.64, or $10.72 per point in purchase price for the entire contract.

But, when you factor in a similar % increase on dues at both, you are likely to pay LESS ppy overall because SSR has a higher starting price and therefore compounding will increase it a lot faster.

In the end, my analysis leaves me feeling BLT is likely to be cheaper in the long run even if 11 month booking isn't important to you, even at that price for SSR. Plus, DVC will almost certainly offer SOME incentive on the BLT purchase which could easily offset that and make it cheaper ppy without any inflation as well...

[Cmbar]

BLT: 2060 end date; 51 UYs of points. $18k / 50 / 160 = $2.25 per point each year

SSR: 2054 end date; 46 UYs of points if loaded. $10.2k / 46 / 160 = ~$1.42 per point each year

Savings on purchase: ~$0.82ppy (per point / year)

BLT dues: $3.6709
SSR dues: $4.3353
difference: $0.6644

So, assuming no inflation BLT has a net cost of ~$0.1556ppy more.

But, when you factor in a similar % increase on dues at both, you are likely to pay LESS ppy overall because SSR has a higher starting price and therefore compounding will increase it a lot faster.

In the end, my analysis leaves me feeling BLT is likely to be cheaper in the long run even if 11 month booking isn't important to you, even at that price for SSR. Plus, DVC will almost certainly offer SOME incentive on the BLT purchase which could easily offset that and make it cheaper ppy without any inflation as well...

Yes what DVCGEEK said :thumbsup2

(and it actually is a bit better because the SSR contract was only for 150 points so your calculations would have worked out a bit more like .11PPy difference)

Edited: Oh wait the BLT Contract is going to $120 so that makes the difference per point of 2.40 compared to 1.48. So difference of .26 PPY for BLT. Doesn't quite feel like a rip off! Now I feel better!

[Maistre Gracey]

Did you factor in the higher point requirements at BLT vs SSR?

MG

[movie77]

I kind of agree. I'm waiting for the Polynesian DVC to add some more points :-)

[cheezNE1]

Did you factor in the higher point requirements at BLT vs SSR?

MG

yes, offset by locations for convenience and views of MK. :)

[jade1]

Did you factor in the higher point requirements at BLT vs SSR?

MG

Depends-you can use your BLT points at SSR.

[Maistre Gracey]

yes, offset by locations for convenience and views of MK. :)
Just my opinion, but I think the views of the MK are sub par. I don't like the fireworks from that angle, or that distance. The location is okay, but really only for walking to the MK.
I prefer the location of AKV, mostly because it's removed. This gives me a sense of realism. I couldn't imagine AKV with a view of Space Mountain rising over the savanna.

I don't have anything against BLT, but I will probably never stay there.
I do like the rooms, but I'm not a fan of the structure.

MG

[Maistre Gracey]

Depends-you can use your BLT points at SSR.
That's true, but I would bet very few people purchased BLT in order to pay a cheaper price to stay at SSR.

MG

[dianeschlicht]

I can see your point as it looks like the resorts you own don't have location as a factor. It is one of things we love about DVC! Everyone has their own likes and dislikes. You obviously like animals or you wouldn't have bought at AKV. Other than the cheap points for some rooms, I find the resort way too dark to enjoy. I guess it is nice if you like a dark dungeon feel on your vacation, liked to be bus blocked and look at ugly, hot, flat land in florida (Goodness florida has ugly trees) with a bunch of animals running around that you can check out on the Discovery channel! For some that is an amazing experience though. For us it is simply not our cup of tea:thumbsup2

Well, frankly, AKV is my SECOND choice, and one of the reasons is because I don't care for the dark decor. To say I don't own at resorts with a location factor is incorrect though. I LOVE the location of both AKV and OKW. OKW is pretty easy to access all parks without NEEDING to walk to them or taking several modes of transportation that take a lot of time. The fact that I can be back in my room RELAXING to a beautiful view instead of an urban like setting is exactly the location I was looking for. Now, OKW does lack timely access to AK, and that was where AKV comes in. Since we like spending a lot of time at AK, we find it easier from AKV, and while at AKV, I feel like it is a total destination to itself....no need to worry if I get to the parks or not from there. That being said, I find the bus transportation at AKV to be excellent....just a little far from Epcot and DTD.

[photobob]

When we compare pricing, should it be from equal sources. So if SSR is $68 resale, the BLT listed resale currently is $98 per pt. Of course when comparing resale price to directly from disney, there's definitely a big difference. Just like SSR directly from Disney is no way $68/pts.

Good point!

[cheezNE1]

Just my opinion, but I think the views of the MK are sub par. I don't like the fireworks from that angle, or that distance. The location is okay, but really only for walking to the MK.
I prefer the location of AKV, mostly because it's removed. This gives me a sense of realism. I couldn't imagine AKV with a view of Space Mountain rising over the savanna.

I don't have anything against BLT, but I will probably never stay there.
I do like the rooms, but I'm not a fan of the structure.

MG

I liked AKV and SSR because they are away from it all, nice, quiet and relaxing. Now that i have a 3yo, we usually go to MK more than the other parks. So BLT was the perfect locations. My DS is afraid of fireworks, but now he can enjoy view of the fireworks without actually being close to it.

[jade1]

That's true, but I would bet very few people purchased BLT in order to pay a cheaper price to stay at SSR.

MG

You can compare BLT to SSR in this case, but really to any other DVC as well.

We have a family of 5, so a 1BR at BLT is fewer points than a required 2BR at SSR.

Also, some folks on here have correctly said "anyone" can stay at BLT if you own elsewhere. Just pointing out it works both ways.

[Cmbar]

Well, frankly, AKV is my SECOND choice, and one of the reasons is because I don't care for the dark decor. To say I don't own at resorts with a location factor is incorrect though. I LOVE the location of both AKV and OKW. OKW is pretty easy to access all parks without NEEDING to walk to them or taking several modes of transportation that take a lot of time. The fact that I can be back in my room RELAXING to a beautiful view instead of an urban like setting is exactly the location I was looking for. Now, OKW does lack timely access to AK, and that was where AKV comes in. Since we like spending a lot of time at AK, we find it easier from AKV, and while at AKV, I feel like it is a total destination to itself....no need to worry if I get to the parks or not from there. That being said, I find the bus transportation at AKV to be excellent....just a little far from Epcot and DTD.

Yes I agree. The location is definitely right for you. What I meant was the usual "location,location, location" you hear touted about in real estate! I think your idea of a vacation is in exact contrast to mine but I don't think it is any less valid. OKW has room size I hear that can't be beat and when my kids turn into big feet teens I may want more room :thumbsup2 I don't think we are done with parks yet, but maybe when we are vacationing just to relax we will try the other relaxing resorts. I think Jambo House's pool is one of the nicest on property and I think even better than Beach Club because I like all the palm trees and it is just pretty with a really nice hot tub. I wish I could just get past the dark colors and african theme. When we stayed at WL I loved the resort but hated the dark colors in the rooms so much that I felt kinda depressed. I need bright and light and that is why I come down from the north to Disney. So that is really the main reason why we didn't buy AKV and waited for BLT. Plus I just don't like animals. Ask me to go to the zoo and I'll give you a grunt! Too many memories of Lion Country Safari in the hot florida sun (that was our big "amusement park" in South Florida when we were growing up.) Yuck! Add to that we don't even have a car on property and I don't think OKW is going to be particularly easy to get around with the buses.

But for the record I totally get that you want remote more than Location, location, location! Makes sense! Again this is why I like that DVC has the different resorts. If they ever build a Grand Floridian DVC I am there because that is the ultimate in what I like... monorail, sounds of the MK and the light bright decor, great quick food court with excellent onsite restraunts. I'd sell BLT in a heartbeat to buy GF even if the views weren't as nice.

[Maistre Gracey]

Cmbar, I think you have it wrong.
For some of us, remote IS "location, location, location".

Your idea of a good location is just different than ours.

MG

[CMOORE185]

BLT: 2060 end date; 51 UYs of points. $18k / 50 / 160 = $2.25 per point each year

SSR: 2054 end date; 46 UYs of points if loaded. $10.2k / 46 / 160 = ~$1.42 per point each year

Savings on purchase: ~$0.82ppy (per point / year)

BLT dues: $3.6709
SSR dues: $4.3353
difference: $0.6644

So, assuming no inflation BLT has a net cost of ~$0.1556ppy more.

But, when you factor in a similar % increase on dues at both, you are likely to pay LESS ppy overall because SSR has a higher starting price and therefore compounding will increase it a lot faster.

In the end, my analysis leaves me feeling BLT is likely to be cheaper in the long run even if 11 month booking isn't important to you, even at that price for SSR. Plus, DVC will almost certainly offer SOME incentive on the BLT purchase which could easily offset that and make it cheaper ppy without any inflation as well...

One fallacy in your equation is that BLT dues will remain lower than SSR dues. There is by no means a guarantee of this. That being said I do not think it is a bad deal to buy BLT or any other resort. We all have our legitimate reasons for what we purchased, and I hope we all get great value from it.

[BWV Dreamin]

Jeezzz.....another resort bashing thread. So glad its not BWV for once!!:rolleyes:

[ssawka]

To each their own, what I can't understand is why somone feels so compeled to post on a message board why they hate XYZ resort. They are of course entitled to their opinion, but I just find it odd to want to tell the world.

That being said, I own at BLT but have not stayed there. For us it was all about location. I love MK and quite frankly have never felt like I had enough time there due to the distance from other resorts. Also, we always fly and never rent a car and you can't beat the transportation options at BLT.

Lastly, while we are on the topic, the only DVC resort we've stayed in so far was BCV. It was a nice resort and the location to Epcot and DHS is cool, but honestly the decor did nothing for me. It was nice and all, but I just found it to be very boring. I live in Virginia, so the beach theme is nothing new for us. Also, I hated the quick service options there. The Marketplace just didn't have much of a variety.

[Anthony1971]

Wow I remember when I could sell my SSR contract for more than I paid. I also remember when AKV contrcats were $$$ resale.
I never bought my contracts (I own 2 resorts) to sell but to think that a DVC resort will hold its value becuase of location or any other reason is foolish.
All DVC resorts except AKV (has its own unique quality) have a great location it is just a matter of where you would like to walk to...
BCV was the only resort that did well for a period of time and more likely due to its size and few contracts being sold. BLT is large and there will be a lot of people selling reducing the price greatly on the resale market in the future.
The only people that can still make money are original OKW owners plus if they got the original perks they make out like thieves...

[dizfan]

The reality is we're all paying for one thing and that's years of family vacations at Disney. We could all get much better deals at places other than Disney, but everyone who owns at DVC and vacations at DVC resorts is paying for years of Disney magic.

Instead of looking at our differences and dislikes, look at what we have in common. We all love Disney, otherwise we're wasting our time on boards related to Disney. :grouphug:

[Anthony1971]

The reality is we're all paying for one thing and that's years of family vacations at Disney. We could all get much better deals at places other than Disney, but everyone who owns at DVC and vacations at DVC resorts is paying for years of Disney magic.

Instead of looking at our differences and dislikes, look at what we have in common. We all love Disney, otherwise we're wasting our time on boards related to Disney. :grouphug:

Disney Magic = taking a lot of peoples money
In return we get a great vacation in resort that meets personal preferences

[Figment_Fan]

I kind of agree. I'm waiting for the Polynesian DVC to add some more points :-)

Darn, I was hoping to be the first on this thread to express an interest in a future Polynesian DVC!!!:mad: Oh well. At least I get to quote you.

As to the BLT, I like the Contemporary. Stayed there on my first visit in early summer of '72. Been a fan ever since. I remember when the lower level still had concrete instead of carpets/tile. I love being able to walk over to MK.

[Cmbar]

Cmbar, I think you have it wrong.
For some of us, remote IS "location, location, location".

Your idea of a good location is just different than ours.

MG

MG How do I have it wrong? I said what you just said. To you or some others the location to have is remote, but obviously I am not wrong that close to the parks is considered "location" at Disney. Otherwise why would WL or AK or OKW or SSR be less points and certainly less cash cost at the Disney resorts?

Diane started by saying that the actual close location to MK is what turns her off. The Remote location of AKV or okw is what she likes.

I am willing to concede that a great "location" varies based on what is important to each DVC member, but it is kinda not a fair statement to say that "location, location, location doesn't obviously mean physical location. According to Disney prices the Monorail resorts and BWI and BC all have higher costs than the other resorts. There is a reason for that and that is their physical location to the parks. Just defending my statement not trying to argumentative.

[Muushka]

This is so much fun. Just like the good old days. Resort wars! :lmao:

Richyams, we miss you. :littleangel:

[Cmbar]

Ok guys, I am done. This is silly. I love my new resort and don't like it being called an ugly hotel on a man made lake, so if I insulted owners of AKV by saying I hate the hot flat savannah and started some kind of resort war, I am sorry. It is just not my cup of tea but I know it is great resort for everyone who owns there. As one person said they don't care where they own, just that they do.

Everyone have a nice day! And BWVdreamin..... BLT will be the new "I hate it" resort for a while so your safe! By the way loved the Boardwalk except for the lack of quick service food. Anyway you owners can fix that?? :goodvibes

By the way this is exactly what the OP wanted when they wrote the "rip off" comment. So I say it worked.

[TLSnell1981]

I kind of agree. I'm waiting for the Polynesian DVC to add some more points :-)
The Poly is my all time favorite!!!!:goodvibes But, I think I'll be too old by the time PV comes to fruition.:sad2:

[Maistre Gracey]

MG How do I have it wrong? I said what you just said. To you or some others the location to have is remote, but obviously I am not wrong that close to the parks is considered "location" at Disney. Otherwise why would WL or AK or OKW or SSR be less points and certainly less cash cost at the Disney resorts?

Diane started by saying that the actual close location to MK is what turns her off. The Remote location of AKV or okw is what she likes.

I am willing to concede that a great "location" varies based on what is important to each DVC member, but it is kinda not a fair statement to say that "location, location, location doesn't obviously mean physical location. According to Disney prices the Monorail resorts and BWI and BC all have higher costs than the other resorts. There is a reason for that and that is their physical location to the parks. Just defending my statement not trying to argumentative.
Well it looked like you alluded to that point of view until your second paragraph. You started that by saying Diane wanted remote more than "location, location, location". Thus my point that remote IS location for some of us.

MG

[Richyams]

This is so much fun. Just like the good old days. Resort wars! :lmao:

Richyams, we miss you. :littleangel:

Ah so good to know that people still remember my honey :)

I miss him so much - sometimes I just come on the board to read his old posts, but when I see his name mentioned like this, it's an added bonus (so thanks for that!).

Lisa

[bjakmom]

Ah so good to know that people still remember my honey :)

I miss him so much - sometimes I just come on the board to read his old posts, but when I see his name mentioned like this, it's an added bonus (so thanks for that!).

Lisa

Lisa - I still think of your Rich and chuckle to myself every single trip to BWV (last just two weeks ago) as I'm walking down that looooong hallway to check into my room - thanks for sharing him with us - he was a gem and I still miss him here, too:grouphug:!
Would have loved his take on all the new resorts!

[Muushka]

Ah so good to know that people still remember my honey :)

I miss him so much - sometimes I just come on the board to read his old posts, but when I see his name mentioned like this, it's an added bonus (so thanks for that!).

Lisa

Awwwww, hello Lisa :wave: :hug:

[lugnut33]

Right now any Disney resort would beat what I have outside, which is 10" of snow on the ground and a temp of 7 deg. F.

[RookieMouse]

Right now any Disney resort would beat what I have outside, which is 10" of snow on the ground and a temp of 7 deg. F.

I hear that!! We don't have 10" of snow (only a couple), but the temp this morning is -34C, with a windchill somewhere in the neighbourhood of -40. :scared1:

Right now I would definitely NOT be choosy about which DVC resort to be at! :beach:


John

[disneynutz]

We just got home last night and this trip we decided to do the resort tour. We stayed at BWV, Jambo Concierge, Kidani. and BLT, one bedroom at BWV and BLT, two bedrooms at the AK's.

Like others have posted, each resort has it's pluses and minuses and each has DVC Members who love them. For us BLT doesn't have the same homey feel that we enjoy at some of the other resorts, but that's just us.

If you love the MK, you can't beat BLT for it's location. As I posted on other threads, our Bay Lake view was more of a Contemporary pool view, but it was still a nice view.

:) Bill

[BWV Dreamin]

Which resort was your overall favorite and why? Second?


We just got home last night and this trip we decided to do the resort tour. We stayed at BWV, Jambo Concierge, Kidani. and BLT, one bedroom at BWV and BLT, two bedrooms at the AK's.

Like others have posted, each resort has it's pluses and minuses and each has DVC Members who love them. For us BLT doesn't have the same homey feel that we enjoy at some of the other resorts, but that's just us.

If you love the MK, you can't beat BLT for it's location. As I posted on other threads, our Bay Lake view was more of a Contemporary pool view, but it was still a nice view.

:) Bill

[disneynutz]

Which resort was your overall favorite and why? Second?

BWV continues to be our favorite. Location, theming, and overall feel around the resort.

Kidani would be next. Seems better lighted than Jambo and is quieter and has a slower homey feel compared to Jambo. At Jambo they were singing in the lobby until midnight.

BLT would be last.

After this trip, we have decided to book our favorite resorts based upon what we our intended to do/visit.

MK with Fireworks View = BLT
MK = VWL
Epcot/DHS = BWV or BCV in that order
DTD = SSR or OKW in that order
AK = Kidani/Jambo in that order

So I guess this year our favorites in order are:
BWV
VWL
SSR

:) Bill

[BWV Dreamin]

Thanks for the info! Your preferences are the same as mine! I actually wanted VWL but bought BLTfor the MF's and will use them for VWL at 7 mos. (that's the plan anyway!)

BWV continues to be our favorite. Location, theming, and overall feel around the resort.

Kidani would be next. Seems better lighted than Jambo and is quieter and has a slower homey feel compared to Jambo. At Jambo they were singing in the lobby until midnight.

BLT would be last.

After this trip, we have decided to book our favorite resorts based upon what we our intended to do/visit.

MK with Fireworks View = BLT
MK = VWL
Epcot/DHS = BWV or BCV in that order
DTD = SSR or OKW in that order
AK = Kidani/Jambo in that order

So I guess this year our favorites in order are:
BWV
VWL
SSR

:) Bill

[tinkerfan1]

Then don't stay there. As somebody else said, Disney offers something for everybody. Personally, I don't really care that much about the decor. I enjoy being within walking distance of the Magic Kingdom, on the monorail, having excellent customer service and friendly CMs, shopping at the CR, and simply being at Disney World. It's about the experience not the hotel.

[DVCGeek]

I stayed at BLT two weeks ago for the first time. Like anything, it has pros and cons for me. I purchased there for low dues and because I wanted to be on the monorail + walking to MK & it's bus stop. Short walk was great and I did it MANY times, as was quick access to that park's bus stop to get busses direct to other resorts. I like the water taxi to Wilderness Lodge; we love Whispering Canyon and the decor there. Skybridge is good for access to food and mono, but not perfect. On part of our trip the wind blew rain in and it was a little chilly. My ideal for that would probably be AKV Jambo so I could be in the same building as multiple food options and activities. A covered walkway (like VWL) is a close alternative, and it is wider than the bridge and seemed more effective when I stayed there. However, I don't like the idea of being bus-locked @ AKV for everything (I choose not to drive @ WDW; I like getting away from that as part of my vacation escape). The BLT decor is a toss up; I like all the hidden Mickeys everywhere. Some of the color scheme is iffy; I prefer WL, Poly, and AKL. BLT's building itself looks neat from the outside. Lighting in our studio was a little dim by the sofa, but that wasn't a huge deal. Halls have pretty neat carpet + cool room numbering, but overall Wilderness Lodge has my favorite lobby and VWL have great carpet in the halls & nice Mickeys in the ceiling corners. However, no Mickeys in our studio...

So do I have a perfect resort? Not at WDW. At DL yes- VGC meets pretty much everything I love + DW prefers it's craftsman architecture over my preferred lodge. In building food access: yes. Close to park(s)- essentially in one! Nice (to us) decor: yes. Only drawback is that it isn't in FL where we visit much more frequently!