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Sandy321
09-05-2009, 10:01 AM
Honestly we need to write a revolt email en masse to Disney Guest relations - what? NO FUNNEL CAKES on the DDP - ok I can live with that - but bumping up the price to over $4 - THAT is ridiculous!

(and I read somewhere on the Dis that it can be a snack credit, but no fruit toppings - then it wasnt allowed for another poster, then another poster said she got it last week as a snack credit - no fruit!!)

First the French Toast Loaf, then the Pretzel (et el) at Goofy, now the Funnel cakes - what's next Disney? The Dole Whip FLoats? That at least will get the emails going from the Dis I'd think!

Oh, sorry for my vent... I guess I'm not very good with changes!!

I'm not going to go to DTD - what's the point - Mickey's Got My Money (and DTD is just more ways to spend my money!) I used to go for the charming pretzel rod candy making experience - something different..

and I'm still shaking my head over the replacement of the Buffet Prime Rib for the Roast Beef (tougher, drier cut)

I'm sure it is an attempt to recoup the loss/strain of Free Dining - all the food is becoming generic -

Changes....

Karlzmom
09-05-2009, 10:31 AM
I feel your frustration. The DDP credit changes don't affect me, as we don't DDP....but the menu changes certainly do. If Disney wants to "cheap out" for free dining, or even just to make the DDP a better $ maker, then for an OOP guest the value has really gone down. I don't mind paying for things, but when they remove items entirely makes it kinda hard. KWIM?

disneyfav4ever
09-05-2009, 10:42 AM
I was allowed to get funnel cake for a snack credit on my last trip. :confused3

TheRustyScupper
09-05-2009, 11:33 AM
Oh, sorry for my vent... I guess I'm not very good with changes!!

Would you like some cheese to go with the whine?

disneygirlinnj
09-05-2009, 11:43 AM
I agree it should be a snack credit but $4 for a funnel cake is NOT that bad! If you go to any fair or carnival around me and try getting a funnel cake? $6 for just powdered sugar. Extra if you want the fruit topping, etc. :(

disneyfav4ever
09-05-2009, 11:55 AM
I agree it should be a snack credit but $4 for a funnel cake is NOT that bad! If you go to any fair or carnival around me and try getting a funnel cake? $6 for just powdered sugar. Extra if you want the fruit topping, etc. :(I agree. Considering it's Disney, their price for funnel cake is extremely reasonable.

southern_belle21
09-05-2009, 12:29 PM
So what is now the "official" price of a plain funnel cake w/powdered sugar only?

Allison
09-05-2009, 12:38 PM
The way to revolt is to not purchase the dining plan if you aren't happy with it. It's a completely optional offer.

Colleen27
09-05-2009, 01:20 PM
I agree with the previous poster - the best way to express displeasure is to skip the DDP next time. If it makes you feel better, you could even drop Disney a note explaining that you used to use it, but feel it no longer has the value/inclusions to make it worth the price.

Personally, I'm suspending judgement about the changes at Goofy's until after free dining. I think the rice crispy treat is gone for good from the snack credit choices, but I wouldn't be surprised to see the restrictions on the pretzels relax as demand eases up. We've never actually gotten a MYO treat because both times we stopped at Goofys were during free dining and both times we had people in front of us using up all their unused snack credits on MYOs. I wasn't about to wait through several people using 5-10-15 credits each, and after that happening twice, we don't bother making the trip to Goofy's any more. I can't blame Disney for wanting to make that a less attractive, less time consuming choice, especially during the peak demand of free dining. I wouldn't have been surprised if they excluded the make-your-owns entirely, just to keep customer traffic flowing better at Goofy's.

Maybe it is because our first dining plan trip was when it was new and the snack credits weren't much more than the few things listed in the brochure, or maybe it is because I'm just not a sweets person, but I'm still quite happy with the options for using a snack credit. I hope we don't start seeing sweeping cuts as more and more items cross that unofficial $4 threshold, since so many things are right on the cusp at 3.99, but a few minor changes here and there are to be expected.

Teddys~Mom
09-05-2009, 01:26 PM
Would you like some cheese to go with the whine?


What's the point, at this rate they'll be calling velveeta, land o lakes american and cheez whiz a cheese plate to go with your glass of box-o-wine...

I see the OP's point, I miss some of the great things that are at least seemingly a victim of either the DDP or cost cutting in general. I don't mind cost cutting when prices stay the same or are less, I mind cost cutting when everything is more expensive.

Sandy321
09-05-2009, 01:38 PM
Would you like some cheese to go with the whine?

:rotfl2:
(and I agree with the PP about the velveeta! make mine camembert or manchego - something different...

The way to revolt is to not purchase the dining plan if you aren't happy with it. It's a completely optional offer.

I understand - but then the other vent was how it seems as if the food is becoming more homogenized - or identical - whereas some venues have variety - it seems more and more as a cost cutting - all the same desserts are appearing on buffets...

someone else posted about wondering if it was the result of the dining plan - and it does come up from time to time - the Timing of the MYO Rice Krispy treats being withdrawn from snack list -as well as the price increase...

same with the funnel cake - and fwiw the EPCOT funnel cake was never on the ddp snack list -

so I'm just a-whining! ;)

bartleby1
09-05-2009, 01:39 PM
Well, if they continue to raise their prices like they are, there won't be much left under the unofficial $4 price anyway! Mickey bars were $2.50 last summer, they were $2.75 when we arrived this summer (August 17), and by the end of our trip they had gone up to $3.25. Some other cart ice cream bars were even more $$. Kaki Goris were up almost $1 from last summer and the dining plan symbol had been removed. They did allow us to use a snack credit, but others have reported that they were not allowed to. Some of our TS meals had gone up $2 per person from the prices I had researched before our trip (Garden Grill and Biergarten were two that I noticed had increased to $30.99). CS meals were raised also.

Haley
09-05-2009, 01:49 PM
At my local Six Flags a plain funnel cake is $8 :scared1:

choirchic
09-05-2009, 01:50 PM
We can vent all we want on here...yet we all keep going back, so it must not be too bad. :confused3

Personally, it's a Theme Park. I expect things to be over-priced. And I would definitely pay $4 for a funnel cake. They were $7.50 with fruit at a recent country fair where I live! :scared1:

Condorman
09-05-2009, 02:14 PM
You are aware that the only official DDP snack items are what's mentioned in the annual brochure, i.e. bottles of soda, small popcorn, Mickey ice cream bar, etc.?

Yes, there are hundreds of additional items available as snacks, but those are not officially listed and thus Disney has no obligation to keep them on or let them go. The fact that we've been able to get funnel cakes, or Figaro fries (in the past, now gone), or egg rolls is no guarantee that you will be able to get them in the future, and no reason to complain if they do go away.

I look at all the extra things I can get with a snack credit as an "insider's thank-you" from Disney that Disboard followers et al. know about that most ordinary visitors do not. It's not written in our bill of dining plan rights, nor should it be an expectation.

Be grateful you have all those wonderful options at all. :)

itchin2go
09-05-2009, 02:34 PM
The way to revolt is to not purchase the dining plan if you aren't happy with it. It's a completely optional offer.

Agreed. The DDP has caused a lot of whining. The plan was certainly more generous in years past, but hello? We all know why it changed. People found 1001 ways to abuse the system. As the loopholes were shut down, the whining increased. Do you remember all the whining when people could no longer get the whole box of Entenmann's donuts anymore? A box of donuts is not a snack, people.

Disney's DDP = Disney's rules. If the plan doesn't appeal to someone, then they shouldn't purchase it. If you purchase the plan anyway, you're just sending Disney the message that you like the plan the way it is.

Colleen27
09-05-2009, 02:42 PM
I look at all the extra things I can get with a snack credit as an "insider's thank-you" from Disney that Disboard followers et al. know about that most ordinary visitors do not. It's not written in our bill of dining plan rights, nor should it be an expectation.


I know it isn't a guarantee, but it is definitely an expectation for me. One can only consume so many Mickey bars and bottled sodas, especially going during the winter, and if that's all that snack credits could be used for a large chunk of the 80 snack credits we'll have available (5 people, 8 nights, DxDDP) would be useless to us. That takes a bite out of both the value and more importantly the convenience of a plan that is attractive to us mainly for its all-inclusive nature.

However, I think that's pretty much a moot point, because I don't see Disney cutting back that drastically. I expect we'll continue to see some of the more spectacular values cut, like the funnel cake (which we paid $7.50 for at the State Fair this year!) and the meal-substitutes like the ham & cheese croissant that was recently cut, but I don't think we'll see it go back to the very small number of options that are listed in the brochure.

onejellyshelly
09-05-2009, 03:57 PM
Just one small question. In the orginal post the pretzel rods were mentioned at Goofy's are they just not a snack credit or do they no longer serve them????

ktlm
09-05-2009, 07:41 PM
We had a funnel cake today at a little local arts festival. It was $5.

TheRustyScupper
09-05-2009, 07:51 PM
the only official DDP snack items are what's mentioned in the annual brochure, i.e. bottles of soda, small popcorn, Mickey ice cream bar, etc


1) People have just gotten a sense of entitlement.
2) Folks just haven't realized that there is nothing for free.
3) And, if you pay for DDP, you still can't get everything.
4) If in doubt, scan the postings and see all the questioned menu items.
5) Why should every food item at WDW be covered by DDP ??????

Eeyore's Wife
09-05-2009, 09:21 PM
Do you remember all the whining when people could no longer get the whole box of Entenmann's donuts anymore? A box of donuts is not a snack, people.


While the dining plan is more than enough food for most people....I have a teenaged boy who is currently growing like a weed and eating us out of house and home. He thinks a box of donuts and half a gallon of milk, along with 3-4 bananas is a mid morning snack.

From August 1-20 he grew 11/16 of an inch. I need to measure him again and see if he did add a full inch in the month of August alone. This next trip, we are budgeting a lot of money out of pocket to ensure he gets enough to eat.

I just wish the dining plan's snack credit process were clearer, such as ...."any item under four bucks is a snack." I think a lot of the complaining is just people's frustration about what seems to be an arbitrary and capricious system that changes and morphs without notice. Also, it is frustrating when it seems as if the always changing rules are also randomly enforced.




--Eeyore's Wife

jjohnson
09-05-2009, 10:41 PM
You are aware that the only official DDP snack items are what's mentioned in the annual brochure, i.e. bottles of soda, small popcorn, Mickey ice cream bar, etc.?

Yes, there are hundreds of additional items available as snacks, but those are not officially listed and thus Disney has no obligation to keep them on or let them go. The fact that we've been able to get funnel cakes, or Figaro fries (in the past, now gone), or egg rolls is no guarantee that you will be able to get them in the future, and no reason to complain if they do go away.

I look at all the extra things I can get with a snack credit as an "insider's thank-you" from Disney that Disboard followers et al. know about that most ordinary visitors do not. It's not written in our bill of dining plan rights, nor should it be an expectation.

Be grateful you have all those wonderful options at all. :)

Exactly. It wasn't until May 2006 that all the other delicious items suddenly appeared as snack credits. They could change it back at any time.

PrincessTrisha
09-05-2009, 11:19 PM
I just wish the dining plan's snack credit process were clearer, such as ...."any item under four bucks is a snack."
--Eeyore's Wife

And people would find a way to exploit this - the few that I can think of off the top of my head are a) going into a table service restaurant to purchase a kid's dessert or a $3.99 smoothie or specialty drink and expecting it to be a snack credit because, after all, "It's under $4". People trying to purchase non food items because, after all, "It's under $4". And remember when the under $4 "rule" was originally talked about here on the DIS boards, many of the kids meals were $3.99. Isn't an order of chicken nuggets, fries, grapes and a drink a snack because, after all, "It's under $4".

hrh_disney_queen
09-05-2009, 11:32 PM
Honestly we need to write a revolt email en masse to Disney Guest relations - what? NO FUNNEL CAKES on the DDP - ok I can live with that - but bumping up the price to over $4 - THAT is ridiculous!

(and I read somewhere on the Dis that it can be a snack credit, but no fruit toppings - then it wasnt allowed for another poster, then another poster said she got it last week as a snack credit - no fruit!!)

First the French Toast Loaf, then the Pretzel (et el) at Goofy, now the Funnel cakes - what's next Disney? The Dole Whip FLoats? That at least will get the emails going from the Dis I'd think!

Oh, sorry for my vent... I guess I'm not very good with changes!!

I'm not going to go to DTD - what's the point - Mickey's Got My Money (and DTD is just more ways to spend my money!) I used to go for the charming pretzel rod candy making experience - something different..

and I'm still shaking my head over the replacement of the Buffet Prime Rib for the Roast Beef (tougher, drier cut)

I'm sure it is an attempt to recoup the loss/strain of Free Dining - all the food is becoming generic -

Changes....



I have another disappointment to add to your list. The options for "making your own" treat at Goofy's in DTD has now been limited to Oreo Cookie, Gingerbread, pretzels or marshmallows. No more Mickey Head Krispie treats. And I learned that one the hard way after reading it was included, going in and having DS11 make one, and then being told it wasn't on the snack list anymore..boo hiss.....So I had to pay for that one OOP-almost $5!! Thank goodness DS9 wanted marshmallows.

We actually used our snack credits a lot for muffins/croissants for breakfast the next day. A nice alternative to the cereal we brought.

carmie3377
09-05-2009, 11:36 PM
I have another disappointment to add to your list. The options for "making your own" treat at Goofy's in DTD has now been limited to Oreo Cookie, Gingerbread, pretzels or marshmallows.

I read on another thread that the oreo is being removed from the snack list in the next few days. I guess I'll go for the Marshmallows, that is if they are still included in Dec. I sure was looking forward to the MM rice crispy treat, dipped in dark chocolate and pecans, then drizzled in caramel:sad2:. Then, I was going to go the oreo, now the marshmallows.

TLSnell1981
09-05-2009, 11:58 PM
We haven't used the DDP in almost two years. We have also cut back on our meals...The quality of the food and the menu choices have suffered because of free DDP. IMHO

Jeanieblue114
09-06-2009, 01:46 AM
This is my first time with the DDP and it's free.
This would also be my first funnel cake at disney. I've just never eaten them though they are my big thing that I always get at local parks and fairs.
Now, my one thing that I wanted to get in THREE WEEKS is gone?

screw the dining plan even if it is free.
i don't want to be force fed creme brulee instead! It's JUST PUDDING!
I want my funnel cake!

disneyfav4ever
09-06-2009, 01:49 AM
This is my first time with the DDP and it's free.
This would also be my first funnel cake at disney. I've just never eaten them though they are my big thing that I always get at local parks and fairs.
Now, my one thing that I wanted to get in THREE WEEKS is gone?

screw the dining plan even if it is free.
i don't want to be force fed creme brulee instead! It's JUST PUDDING!
I want my funnel cake!I'd take creme brulee over funnel cake any day. :goodvibes

Jeanieblue114
09-06-2009, 02:03 AM
I'd take creme brulee over funnel cake any day. :goodvibes

GASPPPPPPPP

:eek:

Jeanieblue114
09-06-2009, 02:04 AM
but funnelcakes are crunchy and you have great potential to be covered in powdered sugar...it's just funnnnnnnnnnnn

maddiesmom0116
09-06-2009, 05:29 AM
I just wish the dining plan's snack credit process were clearer, such as ...."any item under four bucks is a snack." I think a lot of the complaining is just people's frustration about what seems to be an arbitrary and capricious system that changes and morphs without notice. Also, it is frustrating when it seems as if the always changing rules are also randomly enforced.




--Eeyore's Wife

I agree 100% eeyores wife, this needs to be clearly defined. In another post the PP states she thought an item that has been a snack for several years was on the plan and she went up to pay for it and told it wasn't. We all know the different levels of CM knowledge out there and this may cause one to think the CM is wrong. This would make me fruestrated too, just because I would be thinking I was not treated like someone else. I am not advocating a blanketed $4 deal, but I think we should have a defined list and stick to it. Some of the time the CM doesn't know if something will ring up and count as a snack entitlement.

PrincessTrisha
09-06-2009, 08:13 AM
I agree 100% eeyores wife, this needs to be clearly defined. In another post the PP states she thought an item that has been a snack for several years was on the plan and she went up to pay for it and told it wasn't. We all know the different levels of CM knowledge out there and this may cause one to think the CM is wrong. This would make me fruestrated too, just because I would be thinking I was not treated like someone else. I am not advocating a blanketed $4 deal, but I think we should have a defined list and stick to it. Some of the time the CM doesn't know if something will ring up and count as a snack entitlement.

But the majority of people don't go to Disney armed with a list of items that *other people* have been able to get using a snack credit. They go up some place, look at the menu, look for the little snack symbol and decide what to order (or pay for if what they want isn't considered a snack).

The DDP inlcudes 1 snack per day - if you want something not offered on the DDP, use your snack for a drink and pay for what you want to eat.

AngVT
09-06-2009, 08:21 AM
I was so happy when I first booked my trip, that FD was going to be over then, and I had paid for my dining... then FD happened to be extended! I'm not so happy to be visiting during FD because this happens all of the time... the food is "dumbed down" so to speak... AND snacks are eliminated... it's depressing.

Luv2Roam
09-06-2009, 08:24 AM
I agree 100% eeyores wife, this needs to be clearly defined.
It seems to be very clearly defined in the Disney literature. :confused3
I agree with another poster who said it is listed in the brochure. Anything beyond that look at as a true treat.
I'm sure Disney realizes guests can only want so many Mickey bars and bottled waters. That is why other offerings are allowed. However if Disney chose to, they could stick hard to what is in their brochure and be perfectly within their right to do so. They have not removed anything they have listed in their brochure.
People had to see this coming when it starts off with guests getting entire boxes of donuts as a snack.

TDC Nala
09-06-2009, 08:54 AM
I've been at WDW for a week and am still here (during free dining, and I am not on the dining plan) and I have had no problem with the food. Some things have been changed, some things have been added. (I am not searching for good deals or for snacks on the plan and am spending whatever I want to spend, when I want to spend it.) I'm sticking to TS restaurants for the most part. I have been to three CS and only one (Tangierine Cafe) I thought was outstanding. I really love Cava del Tequila's appetizer plates. They don't take the dining plan, so I would not be able to eat there at all if I was on the plan (without paying).

Have you seen the snack credit list on the snack thread? It's huge. I'm sure with a list that extensive, Disney needs to remain fluid about what it will and won't allow. If it's demanded that an actual official list be provided, they might decide to cut that list way down.

Colleen27
09-06-2009, 09:20 AM
Have you seen the snack credit list on the snack thread? It's huge. I'm sure with a list that extensive, Disney needs to remain fluid about what it will and won't allow. If it's demanded that an actual official list be provided, they might decide to cut that list way down.

I agree. Publishing the list as it is right now would be a nightmare. The only logical thing to do would be to cut it down to a more manageable size, if they were to start publishing it. Personally, I'd rather see it unclear and have to ask CMs about specific items on occasion than see the snack list cut down to fit into a section of the dining plan brochure!

ljcrochet
09-06-2009, 10:41 PM
I know when we were in Magic kingdom on 8/19, even though the funnel cake did not have a snack credit symbol listed on the menu, I was able to get one as a snack credit.

I also was able to get my DD a small sugar tube as a snack credit at the gift shop by winnie the pooh ride. I asked the cm nicely if it was a snack credit. She said the only way to be sure was to try and ring it up as a snack credit. I let her know we were only getting it if it was a snack credit and she got it to ring up as a snack credit. The other place I tried to get them as a snack, told me no. When I asked if they could please check since we were able to get it the other day in magic kingdom, wound up giving my DD the sugar tubes for free instead of trying to ring it up as a snack credit.

TLSnell1981
09-06-2009, 11:09 PM
We've "done" the DDP for years. We've even used the DxDP...worked out great for character meals. I decided where and what we'd probably eat...ran the numbers and it was cost efficient to use the deluxe plan. The regular plan wasn't such a good deal for us.

Our last trip DH and I only had a few ADRs. Our next trip? We are there for 7 days and only have 5 ADRs:scared1:, one is the Wishes Dessert Party. I have become soooo disappointed in WDW menu and food quality that we are eating less and less in the parks.

I can't see being herded through a restaurant and paying more for the plan than I would OOP. Sorry, I'm just really disappointed with this whole dining matter. (and I'm not one of those who bought groceries with snack credits)

mickey2000
09-07-2009, 02:06 AM
It seems to be very clearly defined in the Disney literature. :confused3
I agree with another poster who said it is listed in the brochure. Anything beyond that look at as a true treat.
I'm sure Disney realizes guests can only want so many Mickey bars and bottled waters. That is why other offerings are allowed. However if Disney chose to, they could stick hard to what is in their brochure and be perfectly within their right to do so. They have not removed anything they have listed in their brochure.
People had to see this coming when it starts off with guests getting entire boxes of donuts as a snack.

Well those boxes of donuts go on sale here where I live for $2.50 !!!


Because of the dumbing down of the menus year after year I have ....................
Its no big deal..........
I have protested by cancelling my November trip with Disney I'll be going on a 10 day non Disney cruise with great food :thumbsup2:thumbsup2:cool1:

disneyfav4ever
09-07-2009, 02:41 AM
Well those boxes of donuts go on sale here where I live for $2.50 !!!
Its no big deal..........
I have protested by cancelling my November trip with Disney I'll be going on a 10 day non Disney cruise with great food :thumbsup2:thumbsup2:cool1:Seriously? You cancelled your Disney trip because you can't get a box of doughnuts anymore with a snack credit? That seems a bit extreme. Maybe you're just being sarcastic, but I for one, don't go to Disney for food I can get at home.

Allison
09-07-2009, 08:46 AM
You are aware that the only official DDP snack items are what's mentioned in the annual brochure, i.e. bottles of soda, small popcorn, Mickey ice cream bar, etc.?

Yes, there are hundreds of additional items available as snacks, but those are not officially listed and thus Disney has no obligation to keep them on or let them go. The fact that we've been able to get funnel cakes, or Figaro fries (in the past, now gone), or egg rolls is no guarantee that you will be able to get them in the future, and no reason to complain if they do go away.

I look at all the extra things I can get with a snack credit as an "insider's thank-you" from Disney that Disboard followers et al. know about that most ordinary visitors do not. It's not written in our bill of dining plan rights, nor should it be an expectation.

Be grateful you have all those wonderful options at all. :)

I disagree with your assessment that the only official snack items are the ones listed in the brochure. The brochures states the items listed are an EXAMPLE of items.

Some examples of eligible Snack options include:

Luv2Roam
09-07-2009, 09:07 AM
They can eat all the donuts they want. They are included in the price. :lmao:

mickey2000
09-07-2009, 10:52 AM
Seriously? You cancelled your Disney trip because you can't get a box of doughnuts anymore with a snack credit? That seems a bit extreme. Maybe you're just being sarcastic, but I for one, don't go to Disney for food I can get at home.

My comment on the doughnuts has nothing to do with my cancelled trip in November ??? I was commenting on another post . I was just pointing out don't blame people who did this when the TRUE value of the box of donuts is low.

Sandy321
09-07-2009, 01:34 PM
Well those boxes of donuts go on sale here where I live for $2.50 !!!


Because of the dumbing down of the menus year after year I have ....................
Its no big deal..........
I have protested by cancelling my November trip with Disney I'll be going on a 10 day non Disney cruise with great food :thumbsup2:thumbsup2:cool1:

:thumbsup2 I know lots of people have posted about the 'dumbing down of the menus"

I appreciate your input - and how exciting to go on the RCL cruise!! :thumbsup2 My parents love that cruise! I get motion sickness, so I just cant get into cruising yet!!

I'm sure I'll outgrow my fascination with Disney - I'm hoping to do V&A just once before I ... grow up......and move on!!

ReneeA
09-07-2009, 03:14 PM
We were there for the very first free dining in 2005 - and the wording on the brochure WAS enforced. You could get a small popcorn, an ice cream treat from the vendors, a pop, a piece of fruit and a bag of chips was it.

They could go back to that - anything they give you extra now is just that - extra...they don't have to do it. Personally I'm going to be glad that I can get several hundred other options than what they used to allow and hope that they don't go back to enforcing the fine print.

DonaldTDuck
09-07-2009, 03:33 PM
We were there for the very first free dining in 2005 - and the wording on the brochure WAS enforced. You could get a small popcorn, an ice cream treat from the vendors, a pop, a piece of fruit and a bag of chips was it.

They could go back to that - anything they give you extra now is just that - extra...they don't have to do it. Personally I'm going to be glad that I can get several hundred other options than what they used to allow and hope that they don't go back to enforcing the fine print.
They aren't GIVING me anything, I'm paying. Even free dining. It's just the deal they use to get people in. We did better with 4+3 in January pricewise and paid for DDP. They offered more snack options to make the plan more appealing. If I only had a choice of 5 snacks, none of which are a great deal, I'd stay offsite and eat in Kissimmee. The dining plans are there to compete and fill the restaurants. The snacks are an extra enticement. To stop accepting hundreds of items as snacks would constitute fraud, as they've set a precedent. Now in announcing next year's plan they could, but not midstream.

disneyfav4ever
09-07-2009, 03:39 PM
They aren't GIVING me anything, I'm paying. Even free dining. It's just the deal they use to get people in. We did better with 4+3 in January pricewise and paid for DDP. They offered more snack options to make the plan more appealing. If I only had a choice of 5 snacks, none of which are a great deal, I'd stay offsite and eat in Kissimmee. The dining plans are there to compete and fill the restaurants. The snacks are an extra enticement. To stop accepting hundreds of items as snacks would constitute fraud, as they've set a precedent. Now in announcing next year's plan they could, but not midstream.How do you get fraud out of that? True you always pay for the plan, even during free dining, but if they did choose to limit the snacks, to ice cream, popcorn, and soda, that would not be fraud, that would be exactly what is advertised.

ReneeA
09-07-2009, 03:43 PM
They aren't GIVING me anything, I'm paying. Even free dining. It's just the deal they use to get people in. We did better with 4+3 in January pricewise and paid for DDP. They offered more snack options to make the plan more appealing. If I only had a choice of 5 snacks, none of which are a great deal, I'd stay offsite and eat in Kissimmee. The dining plans are there to compete and fill the restaurants. The snacks are an extra enticement. To stop accepting hundreds of items as snacks would constitute fraud, as they've set a precedent. Now in announcing next year's plan they could, but not midstream.

That would be your choice. What I am saying is that they ARE VERY CLEAR about what is technically allowed on the DDP. It would be no trouble for them to go back to it. It's not fraud since they haven't ever changed the rules. I don't know why people can't just be happy when they have more options than what is technically "allowed".

patsal
09-07-2009, 04:35 PM
I think that most people feel there is at least break even value in the DDP. Once the DDP doesn't cover what they eat, they would be putting out more OOP. Suddenly it is seen for what it is--a prepaid plan that locks you into eating a certain way rather than the over whelming value it was once thought of as being. I would rather go and pay OOP as I eat since WDW Dining is no longer fun and interesting to me. Sorry the dumbing down of the menus has been going on since 2005 and it is gets worse each year. For me the DDP lost its value when I had to pay more to get less. There used to be fun and exciting offereings, not so much anymore so I figure why bother.

bytheblood
09-07-2009, 04:40 PM
I was allowed to get a funnel cake with strawberry topping on it at Sleepy Hollow in June.

Colleen27
09-07-2009, 04:42 PM
They aren't GIVING me anything, I'm paying. Even free dining. It's just the deal they use to get people in. We did better with 4+3 in January pricewise and paid for DDP. They offered more snack options to make the plan more appealing. If I only had a choice of 5 snacks, none of which are a great deal, I'd stay offsite and eat in Kissimmee. The dining plans are there to compete and fill the restaurants. The snacks are an extra enticement. To stop accepting hundreds of items as snacks would constitute fraud, as they've set a precedent. Now in announcing next year's plan they could, but not midstream.

Any changes to the plan are conveniently covered by the "terms subject to change without notice" wording on each and every dining plan brochure. It would be a crappy thing for Disney to do to eliminate all but the expressly listed snacks, but it wouldn't be fraud.

Luv2Roam
09-07-2009, 05:03 PM
I think Disney proves they want happy DDP customers by allowing DDP snack credits to even be used at F&W kiosks. They certainly would not have to do that.
As noted there are a many items offered in exchange for snack credits.

Don Disney
09-07-2009, 05:33 PM
You are aware that the only official DDP snack items are what's mentioned in the annual brochure, i.e. bottles of soda, small popcorn, Mickey ice cream bar, etc.?

Yes, there are hundreds of additional items available as snacks, but those are not officially listed and thus Disney has no obligation to keep them on or let them go. The fact that we've been able to get funnel cakes, or Figaro fries (in the past, now gone), or egg rolls is no guarantee that you will be able to get them in the future, and no reason to complain if they do go away.

I look at all the extra things I can get with a snack credit as an "insider's thank-you" from Disney that Disboard followers et al. know about that most ordinary visitors do not. It's not written in our bill of dining plan rights, nor should it be an expectation.

Be grateful you have all those wonderful options at all. :) Excellent point!:thumbsup2

cindermomma
09-07-2009, 09:35 PM
So, did disney take prime rib off some of the menus? :confused3 If so, which ones? Also, I am still kinda confused - did they take away pretzels all together at Goofy's - or just take them off the DP? I wish they would stop messing with things!!! And being back french toast loaf!!!pixiedust:

disneygirlinnj
09-08-2009, 07:01 AM
So, did disney take prime rib off some of the menus? :confused3 If so, which ones? Also, I am still kinda confused - did they take away pretzels all together at Goofy's - or just take them off the DP? I wish they would stop messing with things!!! And being back french toast loaf!!!pixiedust:

the just took the pretzles off the DDP

Allison
09-08-2009, 08:02 AM
They aren't GIVING me anything, I'm paying. Even free dining. It's just the deal they use to get people in. We did better with 4+3 in January pricewise and paid for DDP. They offered more snack options to make the plan more appealing. If I only had a choice of 5 snacks, none of which are a great deal, I'd stay offsite and eat in Kissimmee. The dining plans are there to compete and fill the restaurants. The snacks are an extra enticement. To stop accepting hundreds of items as snacks would constitute fraud, as they've set a precedent. Now in announcing next year's plan they could, but not midstream.

Fraud? No.

BigGreen73
09-08-2009, 08:17 AM
My wife and I have always contemplated using the DDP, but have never used it. Why? Because every time we start planning a trip, we read tons of stuff that has either been taken away from the DDP or right off the menu.

First, if I was able to go when free DDP is available, I wouldn't complain. Yes the 4//3 deal was infinitely better, but free food is free food. Even though we all know that we are actually paying for it.

But seriously, Disney is know for outstanding customer service and entertainment etc. We as the customet expect that because WDW provides that. But as the years have gone on, they continue to talk stuff away either it's showing of Fantasmic, no longer including tips on the DDP, or even changing what you can get as a snack on the DDP. Anyway you look at it, the costs of a WDW vacation increase every year but we are getting less and less, but folks defend it and keep going.

Excuses can be made IE economy, the need for WDW to save money to make a profit etc. But that's all it is in excuses. WDW set a high bar for theme parks, but that bar is continually being lowered but the price is going higher.

Sorry for the rant, but even though is just a 'Little thing" being changed, even changing what you can get for a snack can have an impact in the long run.

The DDP still just doesn't seem worth the investment as every day passes. It feels that I get less an less each year for my vacation money at WDW each trip. Will I still go, sure I will, but I will need to be more focused on what my money is spent on.

Later...

LaurenT
09-08-2009, 08:19 AM
I know that the price of the DDP is going up a little in 2010..I would hope that the threshhold of $4 will go up as well. I'm sure Disney will make sure it's still a better deal to do DDP than to pay for each meal OOP - otherwise they might as well do away with it all together.
I have to say...we have a six flags near us that we go to occasionally...the company is having big financial problems, the food at the park is GROSS and very expensive, the rides are mediocre and their idea of a parade is just too funny! Most of the employees
seem to be in need of a good dental plan and perhaps some lessons in hygiene and customer service. If WDW has to cut costs and fiddle with things here and there to maintain the general integrity and quality of their parks, I am really ok with that!!

Sandy321
09-08-2009, 11:01 AM
The Buffet style Prime Rib has been swapped out at some buffets (not everyone has reported on every dining buffet) for a cheaper cut of beef - that is drier and tougher (Boma and CP are the ones that come to mind)

The pretzels and rice treats at Goofy changed the day of Free Dining (the day before a poster reported getting them came back the next day - and poof)

Same for Sleepy Hallow - however, there are reports of getting a plain funnel cake...

I know Disney has increased prices - park tickets, Dining Plan, as well as individual items - the cost of doing business - BUT

Disney has also cut positions of CM - and the rumor board was posted another round of lay offs may be coming...

Paying MORE - getting less... in service as well as food - why can other places offer the "buffet" quality Prime Rib?

CuriousRue
09-08-2009, 01:15 PM
If it's okay for a newbie to chime in (not trying to stir the pot, honestly, I am not, I registered to ask a question in the dining snack thread, then this thread caught my eye :) )

The first time we had the DDP, we were totally in the dark to the whole world of Dis-Secrets -- armed with our little brochure, we set out counting on the help of the CMs to fully explain what was and wasn't included. Several CMs were terrific even making suggestions (this was when the TS included tip, so I think their motives may have been a bit self-serving to a degree LOL but non tippable CMs were equally helpful).

It wasn't until I found message boards (what a world that opened up LOL) did I realize that there was a whole world of secret info -- that's sort of the point I wanted to make -- reading through this thread, it sort of seems as though those who were getting boxes of doughnuts are being blamed for having had "ruined" things for everyone else. I never knew you could at any time get a box of doughnuts as a snack credit, and at the risk of sounding like a bumpkin, I bet not a lot of people did -- yes the message boards are booming, but I'd venture a guess that a great deal of those visiting WDW know nothing about the confirmed snack list, how to maximize credits, etc so it's kind of odd to read some views that those people are the reason cuts are being made -- maybe they are (I am not a marketing expert by any means -- I'm not an expert in anything really LOL), but it would seem to me that the people even knowing that box of doughnuts were even an option would not be that vast to make a huge impact. I sort of see it as Disney maybe working through the growing pains, trying to find a middle ground where they can still not be in the red, yet still provide a value. No one's fault -- just how things would have progressed regardless of doughnuts qualifying or not qualifying as a snack credit.

I am sad to see some of the snacks go away (esp. the couple of Make Your Own) but at the same time, it's nice that there are far more options that the popcorn, soda, piece of fruit, etc as listed in the brochure.

cassandrap83
09-08-2009, 02:27 PM
:confused3

All of these snacks that are being removed are pretty cheap. If you want one so badly, buy one OOP. You certainly won't go broke on cheap snacks, even with a large family.

Colleen27
09-08-2009, 04:05 PM
:confused3

All of these snacks that are being removed are pretty cheap. If you want one so badly, buy one OOP. You certainly won't go broke on cheap snacks, even with a large family.

For me, it isn't really about money. We have a large number of snacks included on our dining plan package (DxDDP - 2 snacks per person, per night, and there are 5 of us) so some variety is essential. I'm not one to quibble over specific deletions, especially those that make sense (a family-sized box of donuts or half-gallon of milk aren't snacks, DDP people using up large numbers of credits were seriously clogging the make-your-own line at Goofy's) but if the available options were seriously curtailed, it would make the plan much less appealing. I certainly don't want popcorn or a soda or a Mickey bar every day, and I don't want to be paying for Dole Whips and smoothies while letting snack credits go unused for lack of choices.

Don Disney
09-08-2009, 04:24 PM
I know that the price of the DDP is going up a little in 2010..I would hope that the threshhold of $4 will go up as well. I'm sure Disney will make sure it's still a better deal to do DDP than to pay for each meal OOP - otherwise they might as well do away with it all together.
I have to say...we have a six flags near us that we go to occasionally...the company is having big financial problems, the food at the park is GROSS and very expensive, the rides are mediocre and their idea of a parade is just too funny! Most of the employees
seem to be in need of a good dental plan and perhaps some lessons in hygiene and customer service. If WDW has to cut costs and fiddle with things here and there to maintain the general integrity and quality of their parks, I am really ok with that!! I must agree with you!!!:goodvibes