How do you deal with people questioning your need for the GAC

[metime]

I get questioned all the time when I use my placard to park and my children get really upset. I do understand how people think I am abusing the sytem at first glance because I am a young mom and sometimes by looking at me you would never guess that I have mobility issues, unless I have my cane or knee supports on.

Some days are better than others, while I am sure I will probably not get through the entire trip with out my mobility aids I might not always have them (those knee things get hot and the cane gets akward in crowds). When those visual cues are gone people tend to get very rude. I am wondering if any one has encountered the judgements from other guests when using the GAC.

I geuss since I have been questioned so much I have a bit of anxiety. I am hoping to hear that no one has ever encountered that at WDW, but I am also realistic.

Since I am the only parent taking my 9 year old, I doubt that an ECV would work. I wouldn't be able to safely hold her hand in crowded situations.

On a good note, this will be the first time I have been on a ride in years. It was a goal my Surgeon and I made 3 years ago. I guess we'll get to see how that hardware holds up on EE.

[brp]

This is a tough call. On the one hand, I'm sure it gets frustrating. On the other hand, the people who question you really are looking out for the folks like you that need the assistance. While you're not abusing the system, we all know that there are many who do. If the abusers go unquestioned, they're not likely to stop.

I used to have a for-fun job working at rock concerts. At one venue, we managed the parking and,of course, had parking facilities for the disabled. If someone had a placard, we would simply ask for the corresponding paperwork (this is legal here) and assure that the person named was actually present. Amazing how often they weren't.

I'd consider how they're asking, and if it really does seem to be out of concern for the resource. If so, perhaps thank them for caring enough to ask, especially if it's a situation where your need might be less obvious.

Some will probable say that it's offensive, always. But I think this just plays into the hands of those that might abuse the system.

Cheers.

[metime]

This is a tough call. On the one hand, I'm sure it gets frustrating. On the other hand, the people who question you really are looking out for the folks like you that need the assistance. While you're not abusing the system, we all know that there are many who do. If the abusers go unquestioned, they're not likely to stop.

I used to have a for-fun job working at rock concerts. At one venue, we managed the parking and,of course, had parking facilities for the disabled. If someone had a placard, we would simply ask for the corresponding paperwork (this is legal here) and assure that the person named was actually present. Amazing how often they weren't.

I'd consider how they're asking, and if it really does seem to be out of concern for the resource. If so, perhaps thank them for caring enough to ask, especially if it's a situation where your need might be less obvious.

Some will probable say that it's offensive, always. But I think this just plays into the hands of those that might abuse the system.

Cheers.




My issue is that my medical information is my business. I usually get, "Why do you have that?" and I do feel that I have a right to not to be asked a personal question like that from a complete stranger.

It is one thing to have some one who's job it is to enquire about my placard and make sure it is issued to me, and quite another to have some rude stanger demand I tell them why I need it.

I just think if it isn't your job to ask then don't.

Just because some people abuse food stamps doesn't mean everyone who uses that resource owes any person who asks an explination.

I think I might just pretend I didn't hear them and go on about my day. I am not one to thank people for their rude behavior.

[brp]

My issue is that my medical information is my business. I usually get, "Why do you have that?" and I do feel that I have a right to not to be asked a personal question like that from a complete stranger.

It is one thing to have some one who's job it is to enquire about my placard and make sure it is issued to me, and quite another to have some rude stanger demand I tell them why I need it.

I just think if it isn't your job to ask then don't.

Just because some people abuse food stamps doesn't mean everyone who uses that resource owes any person who asks an explination.

Well, it seems that you already know the answer to the question you posed: Tell them it's none of their business and be done with it.

It's not my job, and I don't ask. I was just positing that some may ask out of actual concern about the use of the resources, and not in an attempt to pry into your business. I'm sure they don't feel that they are "owed" any explanation. Some folks may appreciate that concern. Apparently you're not one of those people.

Cheers.

[metime]

Sorry BRP,

I didn't mean to sound so gruff. I know that everyone sees things differently but stern looks form people toward me doesn't really benefit anyone.

I can see how a person who doesn't experience it, would maybe think they are calling out someone who is abusing the system. Before I was in this position I use to sit and look at people who didn't seem to have had any obvious issue and have the same thought.

Thanking them is one way to go, but I get the sense most of the time that there is hostility behind the question, a lot of times there even seems to be some aggression which terrifies me. I had one person yell at me when I was going into the store and waited for me to come out. I know everyone thinks they are sticking up for what is right but it is very much at the expense of those who are not doing anything wrong.

My irritation with this obviously came out at you and I am very sorry about that. I think I am a little too sensative and this particular scenario causes me the most anxiety about this trip.

[brp]

No worries. No one should have to put up with aggression and yelling in any circumstance. That's just the ignorance in them acting out.

Cheers.

[KPeveler]

I generally come up with sully things to say which lets them know that their question is not wanted... for instance, i may say that i injured my knee beating up nosy people who dont mind their own business (although i would NOT use that one at disney - i tend to use it when i get shouted at in parking lots).

I've had people ask if i really needed my crutches, and i tell them "nope, they're my antenna to the mothership!"

I have also been known to tell people that nothing has worked right since the aliens abducted me...

Generally the person laughs or leaves me alone after that, so it works for me. That is if i even answer them at all.

When someone asked me the other day "what happened?" referring to my wheelchair, I told them "i was born." made them feel bad, and they left me alone!

basically i ignore most of what comes at me, and laugh off the rest.

as a side note, i dont know if you have used a GAC before at disney, but you may find it not entirely helpful. There is no GAC to skip lines, and the distance walked from entrance to ride is the same with or without a GAC, generally... I am sure others here can give you more info!

[livndisney]

They way I deal with rude questions....


I ask "why do you ask"? Most people stumble over themselves long enough for me to get away.;) On the rare occasion when they do recover in time to answer, I just tell them it is none of their business. One time I did give a VERY long detailed answer and that did not seem to go over well LOL.;)

[metime]

I think I just realized that I am actually a little scared to go WDW.

While I am excited, this will be the first time I go somewhere this far away independant of another adult.

I know I need to go and I am sure I will be fine I think I am just a little chicken which is completely out of character for me.

All these stupid 'what if' things keep popping into my head and I think I have psyched myself out.

[livndisney]

I think I just realized that I am actually a little scared to go WDW.

While I am excited, this will be the first time I go somewhere this far away independant of another adult.

I know I need to go and I am sure I will be fine I think I am just a little chicken which is completely out of character for me.

All these stupid 'what if' things keep popping into my head and I think I have psyched myself out.

Go and enjoy! Remember to pace yourself. Also remember First Aid can be a life saver in the parks.

[robynchic]

On a good note, this will be the first time I have been on a ride in years. It was a goal my Surgeon and I made 3 years ago. I guess we'll get to see how that hardware holds up on EE.

As someone with knee issues (I had my first knee surgery when I was 14, my second when I was 19), I'll warn you now that EE may make your knees knock each other or the bar. In the summer humidity, it was murder on my knees and I had to take two Aleve liqui-gel (my ortho. surgeon said it's okay for me to do it occasionally) and sit down for a little while before I felt okay with standing up again.

Ooh, thanks for reminding me, though, that I'll need to pack my knee braces for our next trip!

[metime]

I was asked a lot when when I had to have a mobiltiy aid all the time and I could barely stand up, but it was out of concern and not anger. Most of the time I said "car accident" because I didn't feel like giving my personal story and didn't feel like telling them that I didn't want to tell them.

I can actually stand/walk just fine if I have all my OTC medication and lidocaine pathces. We actually did a test vacation with a lot of walking (Washington D.C.) and I did alright as long as I could take a break.

I have stopped taking all medication so I know it will work when I am in WDW.

I only need them to stop/slowdown the moving walkways and I can't do stairs. It is getting in and out of rides that will be tricky. The stairs on the busses will be hard but I think I can handle it for the time that we are there.

I don't mind standing as long as I haven't pulled a muscle but the Dr. gave me stuff for that too just in case. The NSAIDS should help with my knees as long as I avoid stairs when possible. I am sure by the end I'll need my knee supports and maybe even my cane but I don't like using them unless I have to.

[metime]

As someone with knee issues (I had my first knee surgery when I was 14, my second when I was 19), I'll warn you now that EE may make your knees knock each other or the bar. In the summer humidity, it was murder on my knees and I had to take two Aleve liqui-gel (my ortho. surgeon said it's okay for me to do it occasionally) and sit down for a little while before I felt okay with standing up again.

Ooh, thanks for reminding me, though, that I'll need to pack my knee braces for our next trip!

I haven't had knee surgery (yet) my issue is with weight distribution and stairs. Since my spine is completely fused my knees bear and odd amount of weight when I go up stairs. It hurts and they do swell but only if I go up stairs not from bumping together or walking although If I go up or down too many stairs they will hurt when I walk.

[Cheshire Figment]

I would respond: "It is legally issued, medically necessary, and please explain in detail why you are challenging me!"

And in a parking situation it is perfectly legal for the parking attendant (or law enforcement officer) to ask to examine the placard (or registration for a vehicle) and ascertain that the person to whom it is issued is present. And I have seen local Deputy Sheriffs, after a person has parked do this and if the person is not present confiscate the tag, issue the driver a $250 summons, and make the person mover the car.

[ireland_nicole]

maybe it's because of the fact that our GAC is for our kids, but we've never been "challenged" about it. Yes, sometimes they don't see the sticker that our stroller is our w/c, but once they see the sticker, it's fine. It sounds like you primarily need a GAC for no stairs, and they shouldn't challenge you about it, but will ask to see your GAC to see the stamp on it. I wear mine around my neck in a lanyard pouch.

[peemagg]

Don't be scared about going to Disney. I too have a hidden disability and had no questions or anything about it. In fact I probably deserved a few because we did the Segway tour at Epcot and I didn't tell them I had one. I can't stand for long periods of time and with the help of some vicodin I was able to make it, but you should have seen the looks on their faces when we were done and I pulled out my cane. It was priceless.

If it is another guest who is questioning you, I would come up with something about what business is it of theirs. If I had wanted everyone and their brother to know I would put it on a t-shirt, but I am kind of sarcastic sometimes.

Just go and have fun and forget about others ignorance. I bet you won't have any trouble at all.

[SueM in MN]

If you need more information about Guest Assistance Cards, there is a section in post #6 of the disABILITIES FAQs thread.

as a side note, i dont know if you have used a GAC before at disney, but you may find it not entirely helpful. There is no GAC to skip lines, and the distance walked from entrance to ride is the same with or without a GAC, generally... I am sure others here can give you more info!
Yes, that is an important point. The distance is usually going to be roughly similar. With a GAC, you will be able to avoid stairs and you will also be able to board the attractions with moving walkways at the exit where the moving walkway can be slowed or stopped. But, the distance will be roughly the same, with or without the GAC.

Here are some links that might be helpful:

Thread about attractions with no place to sit while waiting (http://www.disboards.com/showthread.php?p=30853939) (includes info about distances walked in line).

Estimates of walking distances per day at WDW. (http://www.disboards.com/showthread.php?t=1805887)

Past thread about attractions with moving walkways (http://www.disboards.com/showthread.php?threadid=273092&perpage=15) - it is an older thread, but the information is still valid.


I only need them to stop/slowdown the moving walkways and I can't do stairs. It is getting in and out of rides that will be tricky. The stairs on the busses will be hard but I think I can handle it for the time that we are there.
The older buses have stairs, but there are a large number of buses that are newer and have ramped entrances at the front for getting on and the rear for getting off. You always have the option to wait a bit longer to get a bus without stairs.
If you are using Disney's Magical Express to get to and from the airport, be aware that there is a steep flight of stairs to get on and off. Post # 16, page 2 of the disABILITIES FAQs thread includes a picture of the DME bus stairs. The flight of stairs is higher than average on those buses because there is luggage storage underneath the seating area.
I don't mind standing as long as I haven't pulled a muscle but the Dr. gave me stuff for that too just in case. The NSAIDS should help with my knees as long as I avoid stairs when possible. I am sure by the end I'll need my knee supports and maybe even my cane but I don't like using them unless I have to.
I'm sure you already know this, but (as I nurse) I fell like I should remind you that anything you do to avoid or relieve pain will be more effective if you use it before you are in pain. If you keep going until you are in pain to use your aids, it will be too late.

And to answer your original question:

Some people have an answer ready like - "IF you want one, you have to take the bad knees that came with this one."

Some people keep their GAC out there where it is visible. That is likely to get more attention and more comments.

Our youngest DD uses a wheelchair, but has additional needs that make a GAC necessary. Most people don't even see her GAC because I get it out only when we need it for an attraction. I keep it in a pocket of my purse where I can get it out quickly to show CMs and pop it back in just as quickly.
When we don't need it for an attraction, it stays in my purse.

We have not gotten any comments about the GAC. We have gotten comments about DD's wheelchair - even though it is a very obvious custom wheelchair with a special seat back and cushion and extra straps to keep her feet in place. We have seldom gotten comments about need, but the one that sticks in my head was when we were at Epcot in Germany and I was sitting with her on a bench while my DH went to get her a pretzel. She was sitting on the bench with her legs crossed when 2 guys came by and one said to the other, "There's one of those cheaters who just get a wheelchair to go ahead in line." He did not know us and obviously had not used a wheelchair because he would have known that having one doesn't get you ahead in line.
He was just assuming that because she was not in the wheelchair, that meant she didn't need it. What he had not seen was that we had to lift her onto the bench because she can't transfer by herself and she can't even cross her legs by herself once she is sitting.
Interestingly, the most 'positive' comments/attention we ever got was one trip when I had tripped the night before our WDW trip - I was walking with DD and her legs scissored and got tangled in mine. We both fell, but I managed to turn and take the majority of the damage. She ended up with a black eye and a bruise on her cheek. I ended up with a badly bruised shoulder and arm. I wanted to just become invisible because I felt embarrassed and guilty about our injuries. It took a while for me to figure out, but it turned out that people thought our injuries (and her wheelchair) were the result of a car accident! I don't know why, but one person asked me if anyone else had been in the car with us and how badly they were injured. So, you never know what people will come up with.

There are many more good experiences than bad ones, but the bad ones stick in your head. Remember, whatever they say, you know what your needs are and you are the only person whose opinion matters.

[Leajess99]

I can so understand the way you feel when getting dirty looks and questions about your placard. I deal with it as well. I had one older woman literally yelling at me about how I scammed my doctor into giving me one. I finally just let her have it and told her where to go to then went into the store. My kids were upset at the way she was yelling at me and I felt bad for the way I reacted but I was tired of her berating me over something that was none of her business. I refused to use a scooter thing at WDW last year because I did not want to deal with any of the looks. I was in excruciating pain and barely able to walk by the end of the day but I made sure I did not ruin my kids' 1st trip. I also made sure I had lots of OTC meds because most of the meds the doctors prescribe hurt my stomach. I can only really tolerate Advil Liqui-gels. Thankfully they do offer some relief.

Please try not to worry about what others think (I know easier said than done) and if they question you about the GAC just respond with it is not your businees and have a good day.

[Notatourist]

I am undergoing chemo. This is one of those times where not having my hair works because NO ONE has questioned my placard.

[retired and happy]

We have three ...soon to be four...children in wheelchairs. We do what we need to do for them and anyone who questions it can jump off a bridge. We do nothing illegal or against any rules and it's our business!!! We've heard comments like using a wheelchair to get on a bus first. If they want to get on first, let them take the infirmities as well as the chair!

[seashoreCM]

>>> "There's one of those cheaters who just get a wheelchair to go ahead in line."

1. Reply: "There's someone who would love to have clogged arteries or a bum knee (or whatever disability you can think of)"

2. When the CM's at the wheelchair rental area can't ask why someone needs a wheelchair, that is when cheaters get wheelchairs.

3. When the CM at the parking lot can't ask what a handicapped placard is about then the parking lot might become full and others with placards can't get in.

Disney hints: http://www.cockam.com/disney.htm

[SueM in MN]

>>> "There's one of those cheaters who just get a wheelchair to go ahead in line."

1. Reply: "There's someone who would love to have clogged arteries or a bum knee (or whatever disability you can think of)"

2. When the CM's at the wheelchair rental area can't ask why someone needs a wheelchair, that is when cheaters get wheelchairs.

3. When the CM at the parking lot can't ask what a handicapped placard is about then the parking lot might become full and others with placards can't get in.

Disney hints: http://www.cockam.com/disney.htm
First thing to keep in mind is that having a wheelchair or a GAC is not meant to (and usually doesn't) get someone ahead in line.
That is the perception, but it is usually not the truth.
When someone using a wheelchair or GAC uses a different route into the attraction than the usual one, it means that the usual one doesn't meet their needs related to a disability. In the case of someone who needs to avoid stairs, it may be that the usual route has stairs. In the case of someone who needs a quieter place to wait, it means the usual route can't provide that.

By law, no one is allowed to be asked to prove their disability in order to get accommodation for their needs. In the case of wheelchair rental, I have heard of people who rented one they didn't need abandoning the wheelchair when they found out it had no 'advantage' to them and they really did not get to skip lines. Besides, the WDW park rental ones are darn heavy (about 40-50 pounds to push around empty).

Parking in handicapped spots is a different situation. They still are not allowed to ask what the disability is, but they may ask who the handicapped permit belongs to and ask for proof that person is present.

There are probably relatively few 'cheaters' when you look at the whole number of people using mobility devices, GACs, handicapped parking and other accommodations.

The problems come from people's false perceptions:
People don't understand accommodations and assume they are 'privileges of handicapped'.

People are jealous of what they perceive as 'privileges', see them only as 'advantages' and assume large numbers of people would lie or cheat to get them.

Since they assume the accommadations are advantages and since they assume many people would lie or cheat, they assume that most people they see using them are cheating to get an 'advantage'. Many people are so sure that the majority of people are 'cheating' that they overlook even visible disabilities (as has happened to us).

[metime]

I like that GAC can be tucked away and I don't expect to use it too much just on the moving walkways, as balance is a big issue, and stairs. Most of the rides should be fine for me to get on easily.

The cane is for my back while the supports are for my knees. My back is actually doing better than my knees for the moment as far as pain goes. but my knees aren't too bad as I am well aware that I only have so many moving parts left. LOL

I baby my knees and I don't mind using the supports except that they do tend to rub the back of my knees after a full day. I end up trading one pain for another.

[metime]

[QUOTE=SueM in MN;33220328]

There are probably relatively few 'cheaters' when you look at the whole number of people using mobility devices, GACs, handicapped parking and other accommodations.

The problems come from people's false perceptions:
People don't understand accommodations and assume they are 'privileges of handicapped'.

People are jealous of what they perceive as 'privileges', see them only as 'advantages' and assume large numbers of people would lie or cheat to get them.

[QUOTE]

I'll admit I used to think that same thing but karma is a #$%&.

I would gladly trade all the glory and glamour of the closer parking space.

Even if you were faking, riding in an ECV or wheelchair is a huge pain in the bumm. It gets old real fast when you can't move nearly as quickly in either one, unless you use a wheelchair all the time, everyday. Why would anyone who doesn't have to do that?

There were lots of times where I just chose to tough it out on foot because I needed to get in and out. Try grocery shopping for a family of four with one of those small baskets they put on the front that is partially taken up by your cane. If you need them they are great, but if you don't it is like a ball and chain if it isn't really contributing to yoiur mobility.

The perceived 'shorter line' would not make up for all the headache of getting around in one of those things. I used those EVCs in a lot of situations, it is awkward no matter how experienced you are. I feel like if someone wants to do that then let them shoot them selves in the foot with their own stupidity. They are going through a lot of trouble to get absolutely nowhere.

[scojos]

i just wanted to add, in 2 weeks last year we only had 1 incident. it was during a massive downpour whilst i ate my dole whip, a young man of about 20 drove his ecv far to fast into the sheltered area. my ASD son made a very loud comment, thats dangerous he could have hit us;), he went over to the lad and was facinated by the ecv. the young lad apologised if he had scared him, but said he didnt like thunder and was scared himself. he explained to ds9 how the ecv worked, and why he had it (car accident as a child - couldnt walk long distances, he then took ds for a "ride" and brought him an ice cream. that chnaged my image of ecv drivers, and i hope the young mans opinions of asd kids, it was a magical if wet 20 mins, watching 2 people of different ages, different problmes meeting and uniting. a moment of disney magic.
if we were all more accepting, then life would be easier.
i send the OP hugs, i hope you have a magical trip - we were never made to feel "un-normal" or different and we too carried our GAC in a plastic wallet around our necks, it made us feel more secure as CM could see and deal with us without explanations, but too each, his own.
tracy

[Chancedabowsa]

I would respond: "It is legally issued, medically necessary, and please explain in detail why you are challenging me!"

And in a parking situation it is perfectly legal for the parking attendant (or law enforcement officer) to ask to examine the placard (or registration for a vehicle) and ascertain that the person to whom it is issued is present. And I have seen local Deputy Sheriffs, after a person has parked do this and if the person is not present confiscate the tag, issue the driver a $250 summons, and make the person mover the car.


no , dat's not correct. the parking attendent does not have the authority to ask ya questions. they may do it , but , there is no need to answer and they got no rights to detain ya. if a law enforcement official asks ya, then you can show your id.

in so far as others questioning the use of the resources, those should mind their own business . it's not their concern. any questions they have bout their concerns over the "use of the resources" should be directed to the police.

yer medical information is yer own business and it's too bad that some feel they can ask you such brazen questions. i hope ya have a great time and do not feel nervous. use the resources without hesitation. enjoy your vacation, dear.

[livndisney]

no , dat's not correct. the parking attendent does not have the authority to ask ya questions. they may do it , but , there is no need to answer and they got no rights to detain ya. if a law enforcement official asks ya, then you can show your id.

in so far as others questioning the use of the resources, those should mind their own business . it's not their concern. any questions they have bout their concerns over the "use of the resources" should be directed to the police.

yer medical information is yer own business and it's too bad that some feel they can ask you such brazen questions. i hope ya have a great time and do not feel nervous. use the resources without hesitation. enjoy your vacation, dear.

From the Florida Statues site:

A law enforcement officer or a parking enforcement specialist has the right to demand to be shown the person's disabled parking permit and driver's license or state identification card when investigating the possibility of a violation of this section. If such a request is refused, the person in charge of the vehicle may be charged with resisting an officer without violence, as provided in s. 843.02.

http://www.leg.state.fl.us/statuTes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&Search_String=&URL=Ch0316/SEC1955.HTM&Title=->2009->Ch0316->Section%201955#0316.1955

[ILuvMulan]

My son has a very obvious disability, he has bilateral prosthesis (he was also in his wheelchair) and the only person to give us a hard time was a cast member. (My favorite saying is... "you can't cure stupid, they don't make a pill for that"). Anyway, we have been three years in a row and only had the one incident. I don't think you will have any problems most people are too busy having a good time to worry about you and your GAC. If this is your first trip just know that you will be walking miles and miles each day (Washington, DC was a very good warm up) and take any equipment that you may or may not use on regular basis. Although my son rarely uses his wheechair, he always ends up needing it at Disney.
Go, relax, and have a wonderful time.

[dclfun]

It is very difficult to travel in a w/c throughout WDW. It's tiring to sit all day and drive through crowds of people carefully so as not to nip anyone's ankles, even when they dart quickly in front of you or throw their leg over your joystick ( yes, I had one woman in a hurry "drive" my chair with her crotch!). As Sue mentioned, there are no advantages, only the perceived ones. As to the bus, while it is law that those in w/c's be boarded first, we area the last ones off, so will be the last ones into the park from that busload or back into our resort. I have noticed lots more people using EVC's lately, which makes me think finally some of the stigma is gone and people with mobility challenges are realizing they have just as much right to enjoy the theme parks as anyone else. As to the GAC, I would never have mine visible unless I need to show it. I prefer to be discreet about those "perceived advantages" which are really only allowing me equal access. Have a magical vacation!---Kathy

[SueM in MN]

From the Florida Statues site:

A law enforcement officer or a parking enforcement specialist has the right to demand to be shown the person's disabled parking permit and driver's license or state identification card when investigating the possibility of a violation of this section. If such a request is refused, the person in charge of the vehicle may be charged with resisting an officer without violence, as provided in s. 843.02.

http://www.leg.state.fl.us/statuTes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&Search_String=&URL=Ch0316/SEC1955.HTM&Title=->2009->Ch0316->Section%201955#0316.1955
Thanks.
You saved me looking it up.

[metime]

no , dat's not correct. the parking attendent does not have the authority to ask ya questions. they may do it , but , there is no need to answer and they got no rights to detain ya. if a law enforcement official asks ya, then you can show your id.

in so far as others questioning the use of the resources, those should mind their own business . it's not their concern. any questions they have bout their concerns over the "use of the resources" should be directed to the police.

yer medical information is yer own business and it's too bad that some feel they can ask you such brazen questions. i hope ya have a great time and do not feel nervous. use the resources without hesitation. enjoy your vacation, dear.

The law here is that and officer has the authority, but only a police officer, and they can only ask to see the picture in the placard and make sure the person is there. I think it is up to each state

[Chancedabowsa]

From the Florida Statues site:

A law enforcement officer or a parking enforcement specialist has the right to demand to be shown the person's disabled parking permit and driver's license or state identification card when investigating the possibility of a violation of this section. If such a request is refused, the person in charge of the vehicle may be charged with resisting an officer without violence, as provided in s. 843.02.

http://www.leg.state.fl.us/statuTes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&Search_String=&URL=Ch0316/SEC1955.HTM&Title=->2009->Ch0316->Section%201955#0316.1955

a parking enforcement specialist is not the same as a parking attendent. a parking attendent has no authority to even ask let alone demand anything.

[livndisney]

a parking enforcement specialist is not the same as a parking attendent. a parking attendent has no authority to even ask let alone demand anything.


From the Statues link provided:
Whenever a law enforcement officer, a parking enforcement specialist, or the owner or lessee of the space finds a vehicle in violation of this subsection, that officer, owner, or lessor shall have the vehicle in violation removed to any lawful parking space or facility or require the operator or other person in charge of the vehicle immediately to remove the unauthorized vehicle from the parking space. Whenever any vehicle is removed under this section to a storage lot, garage, or other safe parking space, the cost of the removal and parking constitutes a lien against the vehicle.

[dclfun]

From the Statues link provided:
Whenever a law enforcement officer, a parking enforcement specialist, or the owner or lessee of the space finds a vehicle in violation of this subsection, that officer, owner, or lessor shall have the vehicle in violation removed to any lawful parking space or facility or require the operator or other person in charge of the vehicle immediately to remove the unauthorized vehicle from the parking space. Whenever any vehicle is removed under this section to a storage lot, garage, or other safe parking space, the cost of the removal and parking constitutes a lien against the vehicle.

This is absolutely true. A parking attendant at WDW *CAN* legally ask to verify if the person to whom the placard is issued is in the vehicle and entitled to use the "medical parking" designated for those guests. I'm glad for this-it leaves those spaces open for those who truly need them. There is no violation of privacy here either as no one is asking to verify your disability or questioning your right to have the placard. If there is a violation, the vehicle can be towed.

Sorry to veer from the OP's concerns but this is an important topic. Again, there is a perceived benefit here that isn't actually a benefit. The medical parking at WDW merely provides space for a w/c lift and a way for those using equipment that would prevent them from getting on a tram, the closest entry into the parks. The tram is often faster and less walking.---Kathy

[quasar4legs]

I think the important thing to remember is that lots of people ask dumb questions all the time...............not just to people using GAC etc.

My blonde sister and her dark brown haired husband have 3children with bright red hair. You could not believe the attention, or for that matter the dumb questions they get asked. You can imagine the sort of stuff.....What colour hair does the mail man have? etc etc. Everybody thinks they are the first to make some dumb joke about red hair.
Sometimes people just used to come up and stare at the kids and say "They have red hair". Ahhh yes, thanks for pointing that out. Or they would make jokes about red headed people having bad tempers etc etc.

Anyway my point is that there are lots of "dumb" questions and statements made on a regular basis so don't let it affect your vacation. Go and have fun and just remember if someone asks a dumb personal question you will not be their first of their last.

Cheers

[Disneydonnam]

I also have this happen to me. I have had 20 knee surgeries. If I have pants on you can't see the scars or my brace. I have had people comment in Disney World that I am faking and just don't want to wait my turn in line. People comment everywhere and I have just started to learn how to ignore them.Just go ahead with your vacation and don't let it bother you.

[metime]

I think a few scary experiences has made me more sensative.

I know these people just have a deep sense of wright and wrong but some people take it too far and go beyond asking a stupid question into being confrontational and agressive.

[Disneydonnam]

I had a man once take his shirt off to show me his scar on his shoulder. Then he comments at least my scar is hidden by my shirt. Being a female I bet those scars cause you a lot of embarassment.

[livndisney]

I think the important thing to remember is that lots of people ask dumb questions all the time...............not just to people using GAC etc.
My blonde sister and her dark brown haired husband have 3children with bright red hair. You could not believe the attention, or for that matter the dumb questions they get asked. You can imagine the sort of stuff.....What colour hair does the mail man have? etc etc. Everybody thinks they are the first to make some dumb joke about red hair.
Sometimes people just used to come up and stare at the kids and say "They have red hair". Ahhh yes, thanks for pointing that out. Or they would make jokes about red headed people having bad tempers etc etc.

Anyway my point is that there are lots of "dumb" questions and statements made on a regular basis so don't let it affect your vacation. Go and have fun and just remember if someone asks a dumb personal question you will not be their first of their last.

Cheers

I think this is REALLY important to remember. People ask dumb questions about anything! But with few possible exceptions (as discussed earlier) we are not under any requirement to answer those questions. People may stare, people may comment and that is not something we can control. But we can control how we react to it. If they have no right to the answer, tell them so or ignore and walk away.
I know alot of times we want to "try" and educate, but there are times I was just want to be a "family in the park" and not someones lesson for the day. I know I like to go to WDW to try and forget, not have our differences brought to our attention in public.

To the OP if you do encounter a situation where you feel unsafe, alert a CM. Let them handle it. I will say on the upside, I have seen total strangers coming to the assistance of those with needs and telling the nasty people to "back off and leave them alone".

Also I don't think these people have a sense a right and wrong and that is the issue. They have a deep sense of "It's all about me" and why don't I get to do XXXX? If they did care about right and wrong they would research the laws and help advocate for more equal access.

I will close with my fave quote "You can't fix stupid". Go, enjoy your vacation and ignore the turkeys.

[metime]

I know alot of times we want to "try" and educate, but there are times I was just want to be a "family in the park" and not someones lesson for the day. I know I like to go to WDW to try and forget, not have our differences brought to our attention in public.

This is exatly how I feel most of the time. When I eventually started replying "car accident" the kids asked why and I said "because sometimes I just want to go into Wal-mart and buy toilet paper and go home like everyone else". My issue is complicated and I would have to pull out pie charts and give an informational seminar that the general public would still not understand.

It is difficult teaching your kids not to lie and then doing it, but we all got stuff to do and for the most part I take a longer time doing it so explaining my rare medical condition 5 times a day to people who wont get it anyway really isn't on my agenda.

[Disneydonnam]

I agree with you. There are times I try to be polite when explaining my disability and other times (esp at swimming pools) I wish people would just not comment. I understand a childs curiosity but 90 % of the time it's just an adult with a comment.

[KPeveler]

I usually answer children's questions, but i do not usually pay any attention to adults. Children are naturally curious, and probably have not had a chance to talk to a person in a wheelchair before. Adults have had plenty of time to learn both about disabilities AND manners.... so they can just bugger off!

[jrc-elpaso]

I think this is REALLY important to remember. People ask dumb questions about anything! But with few possible exceptions (as discussed earlier) we are not under any requirement to answer those questions. People may stare, people may comment and that is not something we can control. But we can control how we react to it. If they have no right to the answer, tell them so or ignore and walk away.
I know alot of times we want to "try" and educate, but there are times I was just want to be a "family in the park" and not someones lesson for the day. I know I like to go to WDW to try and forget, not have our differences brought to our attention in public.

To the OP if you do encounter a situation where you feel unsafe, alert a CM. Let them handle it. I will say on the upside, I have seen total strangers coming to the assistance of those with needs and telling the nasty people to "back off and leave them alone".

Also I don't think these people have a sense a right and wrong and that is the issue. They have a deep sense of "It's all about me" and why don't I get to do XXXX? If they did care about right and wrong they would research the laws and help advocate for more equal access.

I will close with my fave quote "You can't fix stupid". Go, enjoy your vacation and ignore the turkeys.


What ever happened to treating others as you would like to be treated? My parents (I'm 62, by the way) taught me not to ask personal questions - especially to people I didn't know. And I will be one of the ones who will tell someone to back off. And I agree - you can't fix stupid.

[SueM in MN]

My blonde sister and her dark brown haired husband have 3children with bright red hair. You could not believe the attention, or for that matter the dumb questions they get asked. You can imagine the sort of stuff.....What colour hair does the mail man have? etc etc. Everybody thinks they are the first to make some dumb joke about red hair.
Sometimes people just used to come up and stare at the kids and say "They have red hair". Ahhh yes, thanks for pointing that out. Or they would make jokes about red headed people having bad tempers etc etc.

Anyway my point is that there are lots of "dumb" questions and statements made on a regular basis so don't let it affect your vacation. Go and have fun and just remember if someone asks a dumb personal question you will not be their first of their last.

Cheers
I have a nephew with red hair who was tired of the red hair questions by the time he was about 3. He told people that when he got older he wanted "to be a blackhead" so people would stop asking him (by 3 yr old logic, if people with red hair are redheads, people with black hair would be blackheads).

As he got older, if people asked if he had a temper to match his hair color, he would say, "yes, I do. And what brings it out most is comments about my hair."

What ever happened to treating others as you would like to be treated? My parents (I'm 62, by the way) taught me not to ask personal questions - especially to people I didn't know. And I will be one of the ones who will tell someone to back off. And I agree - you can't fix stupid.
I agree with the other posters that children are asking because they are curious and don't have the experience to know it is rude. Adults should know better though.
The most truthful answer for adults who ask is probably, "That's a very personal question and not something I discuss with strangers."

[tinkslite]

was, at one time, a very sick little boy. His immune system is kind of wacky and he couldn't fight off infections. His respiratory system took the biggest hit, and breathing was difficult in the best of circumstances. When he was in a different climate, or during very blossomy seasons (Spring and Fall) he would have severe asthma attacks.
For these reasons, we used a wheelchair when we went to Disneyland (the extra walking, etc was not healthy, and the chair tended to afford a cushion where he got touched less by other guests- which was helpful in the new infections dpt.).
Well, we got more dirty looks than I care to remember. One time, a woman saw him stand up to get on a ride and said, loudly, "That kid doesn't need that chair at all!" Untrue, but it hit its mark.
Later that day I noticed that my 7 year old had his foot turned in at an unnatural angle in the chair. I questioned him about that being uncomfortable.
He responded, "I don't want people to be mad at me because they think it's not my legs that are sick."
It's no one elses business (except CM's who need to follow the rules). Other guests are OUT OF LINE for giving dirty looks, stupid remarks, or ASKING PERSONAL QUESTIONS! Your medical needs are NOT public information!
Ignore the Idiots.

[metime]

That is so sad about your son being made to feel that way.

I know one woman who wanted to get a tshirt with her x-ray on it because she kept getting comments. She had the same surgery I had. I have shown people my x-rays , I have since learned that people get really freaked out about the amount of stuff inside of me. If those who question my need for a resource could see they would be complaining that it is too disturbing to look at.

A big hump for me is just learning to deal with the fact that people need a strong visual cue to be understanding. I just don't have one to give them unless I lift up my shirt which I have had to do at the airport security.

[Chancedabowsa]

From the Statues link provided:
Whenever a law enforcement officer, a parking enforcement specialist, or the owner or lessee of the space finds a vehicle in violation of this subsection, that officer, owner, or lessor shall have the vehicle in violation removed to any lawful parking space or facility or require the operator or other person in charge of the vehicle immediately to remove the unauthorized vehicle from the parking space. Whenever any vehicle is removed under this section to a storage lot, garage, or other safe parking space, the cost of the removal and parking constitutes a lien against the vehicle.


Look all I'm sayin here is that No where is it written that the owner of the placard must answer questions. No one would find a "violation" if people did not answer questions. The biggest problem people have is that they waive der own rights. Citizens should not answer questions , consent to searches etc.

Now stop and think bout this...
How would anyone find a violation if the placard owner and family stand mute ? The parking enforcement or owner of that space can take a chance and tow the car or ask for a policeman to come ticket . Now if they do that they had better be prepared for some serious action back if they are wrong on such a challenge.

I think there are many that are over zealous in the parking patrol and it stresses out those such as the OP, to the point they got anxiety. THAT IS COMPLETELY UNNACEPTABLE. The stress / anxiety of the OP should not be what we as a society tell them to cope with in order to use the parking. The change has got to come from those that are causing the probs and should not be worried about potential issues that don't concern them. If they got a concern, then they should express those to their LEO's.

[iuki]

My issue is that my medical information is my business. I usually get, "Why do you have that?" and I do feel that I have a right to not to be asked a personal question like that from a complete stranger.

It is one thing to have some one who's job it is to enquire about my placard and make sure it is issued to me, and quite another to have some rude stanger demand I tell them why I need it.

I just think if it isn't your job to ask then don't.

Just because some people abuse food stamps doesn't mean everyone who uses that resource owes any person who asks an explination.

I think I might just pretend I didn't hear them and go on about my day. I am not one to thank people for their rude behavior.

You don't need to explain anything. Just tell the person, "Don't judge a book by its cover." Then smile and walk away.

iuki

[livndisney]

Look all I'm sayin here is that No where is it written that the owner of the placard must answer questions. No one would find a "violation" if people did not answer questions. The biggest problem people have is that they waive der own rights. Citizens should not answer questions , consent to searches etc.

Now stop and think bout this...
How would anyone find a violation if the placard owner and family stand mute ? The parking enforcement or owner of that space can take a chance and tow the car or ask for a policeman to come ticket . Now if they do that they had better be prepared for some serious action back if they are wrong on such a challenge.

I think there are many that are over zealous in the parking patrol and it stresses out those such as the OP, to the point they got anxiety. THAT IS COMPLETELY UNNACEPTABLE. The stress / anxiety of the OP should not be what we as a society tell them to cope with in order to use the parking. The change has got to come from those that are causing the probs and should not be worried about potential issues that don't concern them. If they got a concern, then they should express those to their LEO's.

I don't think anyone is arguing that you need to provide a medical history to the WDW CM. The point is that you can be asked for proof. You CAN be asked for ID and proof the tag was issued to someone in the car. "Standing mute" serves no purpose and may just land you in trouble.