Dining CM just told me that Candlelight Processional will be 2 dining credits

[NOLA_Tink]

Has anyone else heard this? I'm not completely surprised about the Tier 3 dinner packages being 2 credits due to the price ($54). However, he stated that all packages would be 2 credits (including the $28 Tier 1 lunch packages- I'm not completely convinced about that yet). I'm curiously waiting until the first day of booking to get more info, but I thought all other "planners" (like me) may want a semi-heads-up.

[IMACM]

Yes, that is correct

[ScottishMickeyFan]

Yes, that is correct

As far as booking, can this be done online or do i need to call DINE,, the only night i can do is the 1st night, 11/27/09 i think it is,, going for the 8:15 (last) performance to get the meal before and then Holiday Illuminations after at 21:30,,

As im on the dining plan i was not sure about leaving card details,, is this just to reserve the booking?

Come on Monday, 90 day mark for me, woo woo,,

Also can i book with the 90 + 10 or will i have to sweat it out for the proper 90 mark,, hope i get it, eekkk,,

[NOLA_Tink]

As far as booking, can this be done online or do i need to call DINE,, the only night i can do is the 1st night, 11/27/09 i think it is,, going for the 8:15 (last) performance to get the meal before and then Holiday Illuminations after at 21:30,,

As im on the dining plan i was not sure about leaving card details,, is this just to reserve the booking?

Come on Monday, 90 day mark for me, woo woo,,

Also can i book with the 90 + 10 or will i have to sweat it out for the proper 90 mark,, hope i get it, eekkk,,

You need to give a credit card to guarantee your package, but it won't be charged if you show up for your reservation. I was told that they will allow the 90+10 for this event and they will offer you a dining time around 2.5 - 3 hours before the show. As for online reservations, the CM said that they should be available, but be prepared to call (just in case). Good luck & best wishes!

[ScottishMickeyFan]

You need to give a credit card to guarantee your package, but it won't be charged if you show up for your reservation. I was told that they will allow the 90+10 for this event and they will offer you a dining time around 2.5 - 3 hours before the show. As for online reservations, the CM said that they should be available, but be prepared to call (just in case). Good luck & best wishes!

Thanks for that,, my brain is mush just now,, is Morrocco far from the theater,, i was hoping a dining time of 6pm which would give plenty of time i thought as its Black Friday i will be out shopping most of the day in the malls and the like,,

thanks

[TDC Nala]

If true, that is a change. CP packages have always been one credit because they are one-credit restaurants. Wonder how many will pay two credits for a one-credit restaurant just to get the preferred seating for the show. I sure wouldn't.

[Mickey country]

They must have changed this from last year. We were only charged 1 credit for dinner with the CP. I can't remember if we ate at France or Italy that night. Personally, we liked the show, but I could have stood outide the theatre and watched at my leisure, I would not use 2 TS credits for it.

[catne]

seriously...wow. That is totally unjustified for one table service restaurants...to get tickets to a "free" show. I suspect that will free up some seats.

Hmm....sign of the times? Suppose Fantasmic Dinner package will go the same way.

[Pumbaa_]

Unless and until this is officially released, it is a rumor :)

IF it is official, discussion on the restaurant DDP board will be welcome

[skier_pete]

First off, just because a Dining CM says this, doesn't mean its going to be true. However, is it a realistic rumor?

2008 Pricing
Lunch
Tier 1 $27.99 adult, $12.99 child 3-9
Tier 2 $37.99 adult, $12.99 child 3-9
Tier 3 $44.99 adult, $12.99 child 3-9

DINNER
Tier 1 $33.99 adult, $14.99 child 3-9
Tier 2 $44.99 adult, $14.99 child 3-9
Tier 3 $53.99 adult, $14.99 child 3-9

It really wouldn't surprise me too much. With prices in excess of $50, they probably should be charging for 2 credits. Name a 1 TS restaurant that you will get $54 worth of food for your 1 credit - and CRT costs $31.99 for breakfast and costs you 2 TS credits. In fact generally, 2 TS restaurants do NOT give you twice the value as a 1 TS restaurant. (The exception being the dinner shows.)

However, I agree it would turn some people off to have to use two credits at a restaurant that is normally 1 credit. Perhaps they feel the high demand for the packages, combined with all the free dining people this year, make sense to do it.

What they might do is leave the Tier 1 price the same, and leave it at 1 TS credit. Then, raise the Tier 2 and 3 prices by $2-3, and call those 2 TS.

This will be the first year we would do the CP package...we will be there with free dining...if they did do something like this, I would probably stay with a Tier 1 if it was only 1 TS credit, if they all charged 2 credits, I would have to seriously consider how we would handle it. I would prefer not to try to see the show in the standby line.

SkierPete

[NOLA_Tink]

What they might do is leave the Tier 1 price the same, and leave it at 1 TS credit. Then, raise the Tier 2 and 3 prices by $2-3, and call those 2 TS.


I was thinking the same thing. He looked up the info & stated that all packages would be 2 credits, but I really can't see anyone doing a Tier 1 for 2 credits- especially a Tier 1 lunch! I also asked him if TIW would be accepted, but he couldn't find any info on that. (They prob won't give a TIW discount, but I like to consider all of our options.)

[TDC Nala]

No TIW discounts on the packages.

[TheRustyScupper]

1) Like we couldn't see this coming?
2) Anything that can have its price jacked, is.

[n2mm]

Thanks, I'll be watching this. This will make a difference whether I buy the DDP or not for our December trip.

[patsal]

First off, just because a Dining CM says this, doesn't mean its going to be true. However, is it a realistic rumor?

2008 Pricing
Lunch
Tier 1 $27.99 adult, $12.99 child 3-9
Tier 2 $37.99 adult, $12.99 child 3-9
Tier 3 $44.99 adult, $12.99 child 3-9

DINNER
Tier 1 $33.99 adult, $14.99 child 3-9
Tier 2 $44.99 adult, $14.99 child 3-9
Tier 3 $53.99 adult, $14.99 child 3-9

It really wouldn't surprise me too much. With prices in excess of $50, they probably should be charging for 2 credits. Name a 1 TS restaurant that you will get $54 worth of food for your 1 credit - and CRT costs $31.99 for breakfast and costs you 2 TS credits. In fact generally, 2 TS restaurants do NOT give you twice the value as a 1 TS restaurant. (The exception being the dinner shows.)

However, I agree it would turn some people off to have to use two credits at a restaurant that is normally 1 credit. Perhaps they feel the high demand for the packages, combined with all the free dining people this year, make sense to do it.

What they might do is leave the Tier 1 price the same, and leave it at 1 TS credit. Then, raise the Tier 2 and 3 prices by $2-3, and call those 2 TS.

This will be the first year we would do the CP package...we will be there with free dining...if they did do something like this, I would probably stay with a Tier 1 if it was only 1 TS credit, if they all charged 2 credits, I would have to seriously consider how we would handle it. I would prefer not to try to see the show in the standby line.

SkierPete

Only you are not getting $54.00 worth of food, you are getting the same food that costs one credit without the CP package so you are essentially paying 1 credit for the meal and 1 credit for the seating.

[skier_pete]

Only you are not getting $54.00 worth of food, you are getting the same food that costs one credit without the CP package so you are essentially paying 1 credit for the meal and 1 credit for the seating.

That is exactly right. But you would otherwise be paying say $40 for the dinner, and then $14 (plus tax) for the seat.

I am not saying it makes sense to use 2 TS credit on the dinner, I'm saying it makes some sense for Disney to decide to charge to 2 TS credits as compared to the value of other TS meals.

You must admit that a CP package at Le Cellier (or any Tier 3) is currently probably the very best value for a TS meal credit, right?

Skierpete

[patsal]

I'm guessing percieved value versus real value though, since my CP seat is free with admission therefore having no real value and even with the CP package there is still no guarantee that you will get a seat.
In addition, the mark up of menu prices to give the percieved value of the DDP plays a role as well, but that is another issue altogether.

[Merryweather7]

I just got off the phone with Disney Dining. The CM told me that the change was for all Tiers and that it was 2 TS. I wonder when they'll post confirmation of this? It makes one wonder if you should just get the reservation you want and stand in the general admission line, especially early in the "season". Do the earliest performances fill up every time? We are going Dec 1 - 7 and I'm wondering if a weekday performance that early would be completely packed? Any opinions? :confused3

[skier_pete]

I'm guessing percieved value versus real value though, since my CP seat is free with admission therefore having no real value and even with the CP package there is still no guarantee that you will get a seat.
In addition, the mark up of menu prices to give the percieved value of the DDP plays a role as well, but that is another issue altogether.

You are wrong there - if you show up at the time stated, you are guaranteed to get a seat with the CP package...the CP package people are seated first, and they limit the # of tables available at each restaurant so as not to fill up the ampitheater. The only way you are not guaranteed a seat is if you show up late, which would just be your own fault.

(This is similar to Fantasmic DP...you are guaranteed a seat if you arrive by a certain time...after that...SOL.)

SkierPete

PS I am also curious...if we were to go mid-week to an early (5 PM) show, how far in advance would we need to line up to guarantee a seat. (I am thinking since we are on free dining of just using the 2 TS credits, though...as long as I can get into one of the nicer restaurants.)

[baybear14]

What are the dates for the Candlelight Processional?

[Merryweather7]

PS I am also curious...if we were to go mid-week to an early (5 PM) show, how far in advance would we need to line up to guarantee a seat. (I am thinking since we are on free dining of just using the 2 TS credits, though...as long as I can get into one of the nicer restaurants.)


I see we are thinking with the same budget-brain. I kind of hate to give up 2 TS (free or not) if I can just stand in a relatively short line. Does anyone out there have an opinion on that first week of the CP? How long were the lines for general/reserved seating? I'll give up the 2 TS if it looks as though I won't get a seat. (at least we started this a couple weeks early so we can sort through all of the info) :surfweb:

[steve76]

I see we are thinking with the same budget-brain. I kind of hate to give up 2 TS (free or not) if I can just stand in a relatively short line. Does anyone out there have an opinion on that first week of the CP? How long were the lines for general/reserved seating? I'll give up the 2 TS if it looks as though I won't get a seat. (at least we started this a couple weeks early so we can sort through all of the info) :surfweb:

If this rumour is true, then I guess the Dinner Package will be much less popular (since at present, it costs the same for those on the DDP whether they book the Dinner Package or not, so many just do it anyway). Therefore I would imagine getting into the show using the Standby line will be easier than in previous years.

[Luv2Roam]

If this is true I cannot say I am surprised due to the popularity of CP. The lines are ridiculously long. The only time the lines seem reasonable is when it rains and that clears a few people out.
I would not pay 2 credits for it either. However I can see guests uprading to the Deluxe Dine and using 2 credits. Esp during the holidays.
I think many will still use it. However probably not as many. Although it will still be crowded.

[ShellyLynn3630]

:sad2::sad2::sad2::sad2:

[DRCDIVA]

what I have heard (from other dine cm's) is that it will also include appetizer, entree(sp?), dessert and something with the fireworks. Personally, I would not use the ddp for CP. I would pay out of pocket, free dine or none.

[skier_pete]

what I have heard (from other dine cm's) is that it will also include appetizer, entree(sp?), dessert and something with the fireworks. Personally, I would not use the ddp for CP. I would pay out of pocket, free dine or none.

I was assuming it would be back to the full package (previously DDP folks didn't get the appetizer). But, if they include the full package, preferred seats for CP and preferred seats for Illuminations...I have no problem with signing up for using 2 credits! That extra dining credit would be worth (1) an appetizer, (2) avoiding 90 minutes in line for CP, (3) avoiding 45 minutes waiting for Illuminations. I'll take that! I'll be waiting with baited breath for when the first ADRs become available to see what people really get. We should be hearing an official announcement within the next two weeks!

SkierPete

[ScottishMickeyFan]

We should be hearing an official announcement within the next two weeks!

SkierPete

Can the +10 onsite guests book this on the say 18th for the 1st night (27th nov) 100 nights out?

[skier_pete]

Can the +10 onsite guests book this on the say 18th for the 1st night (27th nov) 100 nights out?

I don't know, but a PP has claimed the Dining Reservation staff is saying this is the case...if you try, please let us know what happened.

SkierPete

[ScottishMickeyFan]

I don't know, but a PP has claimed the Dining Reservation staff is saying this is the case...if you try, please let us know what happened.

SkierPete

I will do, starting to make my reservations this coming week.

[Merryweather7]

How are the lines for CP in early December? If anyone has been there that early, can you give me an idea of how long you waited for general admission? I'm still mentally struggling (el cheapo here) with using 2 TS for this and I was hoping for an opinion on the chances of a decent seat without the package that early in the season. Thanks!

[919Florida]

I was also told that you are going to get more then just seating at the CP show. You are going to get an appetizer and preferred viewing for Illuminations. So while it is costing more you are getting more.

[Bete]

Can the +10 onsite guests book this on the say 18th for the 1st night (27th nov) 100 nights out?

You get the 90 day mark and you can book 10 days worth of ADRs on the first day of that 90 day mark. It's not 90 days plus 10 earlier days for 100 days out; it doesn't work that way, not even for Disney resort guests. In essence, you make 10 ADRs on that first day you can make reservations.

I've talked with three CMs today and none of them will confirm the rumor. They are saying the info has not been released yet. One CM did say the decision to make it 1 or 2 credits has not been decided yet.

Based on the 90 day mark from the first performance of CP we will be able to know definitively on August 29 what credits will be necessary.

Even if they add a preferred view for Illuminations it's not worth it for 2 TS credits even with free credits. If you think about three shows and everyone getting that so called preferred viewing for fireworks; unless, you show up very early for it I would say other areas will have better views for Illuminations.

Personally, I will pay for it out of pocket at the lowest tier pricing for the CP dinner package if it goes to two credits. I like Biergarten's anyway.

[Bete]

and I was told there will be more info about the Candlelight Processional dinner package this week. It may not be the info about needing 2 credits like the signature restaurants, but hopefully we will know more this week. She said to try on Tuesday; so, I will check at that time.

[5DisneyNuts]

You get the 90 day mark and you can book 10 days worth of ADRs on the first day of that 90 day mark. It's not 90 days plus 10 earlier days for 100 days out; it doesn't work that way, not even for Disney resort guests. In essence, you make 10 ADRs on that first day you can make reservations.
Based on the 90 day mark from the first performance of CP we will be able to know definitively on August 29 what credits will be necessary.


Actually, I think we will know by 8/19/09. That is the 90 day mark for folks arriving on 11/17/09. With the 90 +10 they will be able to book for the first CP Pkg on 11/27 IF that is the way WDW will do things.

[DebbieB]

I wonder if it has to do with free dining? With free dining available most of December (arrivals up to 12/17), the packages would get snapped up pretty quick for only 1 credit. Alot of locals like to come to Epcot for CP, they could lose alot of income if the packages sellout early.

[MissBritt]

I also called WDW about the CP package and last year's lack of apps even with the DDP. I was informed (both times I called) that the package would include apps, entree, bev, and dessert, and would be 2 TS per person.

[Bete]

for the dining CMs and they will be discussing the CP package at that time. I would say by 3pm we should know what's what officially.

[Bete]

I hope this is right. Per a CM at 2:50pm today, Monday, Aug 17 the CP package will be 2 credits. She stated it would be two credits no matter what tier. I found that one hard to swallow. She could not tell me pricing on it if you were paying out of pocket. Also, she wasn't able to confirm any extra perks like preferred viewing at Illuminations.

Well, at least some info is here; so, we will know the scoop shortly I'm sure.

[Merryweather7]

Thanks Bete for the update! Wow, 2 TS for lunch at a Tier 1? That seems a bit pricey to me. I am wondering if anyone else has heard anything. Its looking more and more like an OOP package. Anybody with "connections" have an opinion or update?

[disneygrandma]

I was so upset when I read about this, so I called Disney Dining. The CM I spoke with looked it up and told me that they don't have all the info yet. What they do know is that everything will be 2 TS credits, and the CM's should have all the info on Tuesday, and they start booking them on Weds, 8/19. She suggested that I call back tomorrow so I can get the info.

We're going late Nov/early Dec for the 1st time. We've planned this trip for several years and were looking forward to seeing the CP. Since we're DVC, we're paying for our DDP, and now to find out that it's been raised to 2 TS credits!!! We probably won't get the CP Dining Pkg.

We're also doing MVMCP, and I've read that one of the shows won't be going on this year. I feel like we're paying more and more, and getting less. WDW is taking some of the holiday sparkle out of this trip that we've planned for so long! I wish they would release the info for all of the holiday events, not to mention the Dec hours. Our 90 days is fast approaching, and since our group has 11 people, we need to know what's going on.

[Doug7856]

I was so upset when I read about this, so I called Disney Dining. The CM I spoke with looked it up and told me that they don't have all the info yet. What they do know is that everything will be 2 TS credits, and the CM's should have all the info on Tuesday, and they start booking them on Weds, 8/19. She suggested that I call back tomorrow so I can get the info.

We're going late Nov/early Dec for the 1st time. We've planned this trip for several years and were looking forward to seeing the CP. Since we're DVC, we're paying for our DDP, and now to find out that it's been raised to 2 TS credits!!! We probably won't get the CP Dining Pkg.

We're also doing MVMCP, and I've read that one of the shows won't be going on this year. I feel like we're paying more and more, and getting less. WDW is taking some of the holiday sparkle out of this trip that we've planned for so long! I wish they would release the info for all of the holiday events, not to mention the Dec hours. Our 90 days is fast approaching, and since our group has 11 people, we need to know what's going on.

We have a group of eight people staying DVC, so I can relate to your frustration. We haven't decided on DDP as we are DVC also. I'm tempted to put away the frustrations by booking the CP and then eating all meals off site!

[twinkle49]

So I just called disney dining and the CM told me that they know nothing and they should know more on August 29th. I'm just slightly annoyed at how no info has been released. Way to wait to the last min. Sorry I needed to vent.I'm hoping someone else will have better luck!

[pmdeve]

We are planning to go to CP the second week of December. Since we are putting together our wish list for ADR's I hope this info comes through quickly.

[Bete]

had to go to her supervisor just to tell me it would be 2 TS credits this year. There was no other info as of 8:00am this morn of 8-18.

[Davey-D-99]

We are booked for December and was considering booking this until now...

I just do not understand the value in this??? The show is free...The Restaurants are all 1TS...Is this correct?

They are saying you have to use an extra TS credit just to get an appetizer and a seat at a free show? Why would anyone do that?

Is the show impossible to get in if you just wait in the regular line? Is it like Fantasmic where there are separate seats for the dinner package and stand-by guests?

really confused:confused3:confused3

[Merryweather7]

:eek: Just called and honestly I think I got the most clueless CM yet. She gave me absolutely no information and tried to direct me to the Disney website for "pricing". This one wouldn't even confirm that the dining plan was accepted. :scared1: I certainly hope somebody else has a better result. I'll probably try back later to see if I can get a better CM. WOW

[mcgregml]

Is the show impossible to get in if you just wait in the regular line? Is it like Fantasmic where there are separate seats for the dinner package and stand-by guests?

really confused

I'm not doing dining plan - so I have no opinion on whether it's worth an extra credit or not, but I will say that seating is VERY different than the Fantasmic dinner package. Basically, they start filling the theater with the people who have the CP package first - and if there are enough of them it is possible that no one in the standby line will get a seat. Granted, this outcome doesn't happen very often, but it is possible.

Last year, my family and I opted to not do the CP package and just take our chances on the standby line. Now, it was a Saturday, but it was also the second weekend in December. We got in the standby line for the first show approximately 20 minutes before the show. I would guess that after us, another couple of hundred people got let into the show but some people at the end did get turned away. Again, we did not show up incredibly early, and there were two more performances that night - but Christmas week? I definitely wouldn't go without the package! You'd have to line up so early to even have the possibility of a seat - I think it would be worth something to me to not have to wait 45 - 60 minutes for the chance of a seat. Other times of December - not so much...

To each their own! This year, we're going down over Thanksgiving (yea!) and we will be doing the package for the last night of our stay. I want to go to the late show (where you can actually see the Candlelight) and I don't want to worry about getting a seat. But, it's just me and my parents. It's a lot easier to part with $60(ish) each when you've only got three adults to worry about.

[heatherbabydoll1]

I just called dining and I got the same run around. Now I was told that because I have deluxe dining I will be charged two services while those who have regular dining will be charged only one.No matter what tier and there is nothing added.

[Doug7856]

My theory is that the increase to two credits is due to the free dining. I think Disney is worried that the free dining folks will use up all of the seats and that locals, who love the show, will be shut out. To justify the extra credit the appetizer is included and, hopefully, the preferred Illuminations viewing. If fewer free dining package take up the seats, then locals and those who pay out of pocket will have more availability. Those who want just the food will still only use one credit. Just my thoughts on the matter.

[skier_pete]

I just called dining and I got the same run around. Now I was told that because I have deluxe dining I will be charged two services while those who have regular dining will be charged only one.No matter what tier and there is nothing added.

Whaaat?! That makes NO SENSE. A dining credit is a dining credit...Deluxe Dining people are paying extra for those extra credits.

This tells me we should discount EVERYTHING being said in this thread and by CM until there is (a) an official pronouncement by Disney or (b) someone ACTUALLY books a CP package.

SkierPete

P.S. This is why I don't call ahead to CRO to ask questions about future plans - some may know - but you have no idea if the CRO CM you are talking to has a clue what is really going on.

[Bete]

We are booked for December and was considering booking this until now...

I just do not understand the value in this??? The show is free...The Restaurants are all 1TS...Is this correct?

They are saying you have to use an extra TS credit just to get an appetizer and a seat at a free show? Why would anyone do that?

Is the show impossible to get in if you just wait in the regular line? Is it like Fantasmic where there are separate seats for the dinner package and stand-by guests?

really confused:confused3:confused3

I think one option may be to pay OOP for this package. I believe there will still be tiers and the cheapest package would be the way to go now OOP. Then I would either have an extra meal along the way with the saved credit or do a signature restaurant and live it up a little and do a true 2 credit dining experience. It's a totsl jip in my opinion to use 2 TS credits for this package; they would have to sweeten it up big time for it to be worth it; just getting an appetizer will not be enough for me.

[Merryweather7]

Bete, I agree 100%. OOP is looking like the way to go. No way am I giving them an extra TS for this. I think it may just backfire on them if they are doing this to "use" a couple of free dining TS. If anything, it may clog up the restaurants even more when people pay OOP for the CP and then have an extra TS to spend. You are so right that an appetizer isn't worth that second credit. I guess we'll just wait for an announcement/confirmation. This may be very interesting. popcorn::

[skier_pete]

I think one option may be to pay OOP for this package. I believe there will still be tiers and the cheapest package would be the way to go now OOP. Then I would either have an extra meal along the way with the saved credit or do a signature restaurant and live it up a little and do a true 2 credit dining experience. It's a totsl jip in my opinion to use 2 TS credits for this package; they would have to sweeten it up big time for it to be worth it; just getting an appetizer will not be enough for me.

But here's the point - let's say you decide to do a "true 2 credit" experience, say the Contemporary Grille...well, most menu items there run $20 to $33. (There is one meal at $41.) So let's say you eat "high end" and spend $33, then add a $10 desert - that's $43. That means you are only getting $21.50 in value per dining credit. Yet you could pay $54 for that CP dining package OOP. So unless you OOP the Tier 1 lunch, I am not sure it makes sense.

I'm looking at it the opposite way...use two TS credits for a Tier 3 dinner - a $54 value. Then instead, I will pay OOP for our cheapest one TS meal. We are planning a lunch at WCC. Meals range $10 - $20. We'll pay for that OOP, and use that extra credit towards the CP package! :thumbsup2 Now, THAT's a better value for your DDP.

SkierPete

[blondinkaya]

I'm keeping my eye on this thread. I contacted the WL IPO, and they have no idea about the package.

I'm really hoping this is just a rumor and everything will stay as it was last year. We'll be on the dining plan. Sure we're staying concierge, but we aren't getting any discounts at all (evidently our suite is exempt from discounts). Paying for that, MVMCP (we already have the tickets), and the Wildlife Discovery Excursion is enough. Anything more, and I feel I'm being nickeled and dimed to death. Yes, this is our dream trip, but I refuse to pay oop or put a second credit towards the CP. If this rumor is in fact true, I'll be sad about missing it, but at least we'll be able to experience other holiday tidbits (Christmas Around the World, MVMCP, Osborne Lights, etc) ...

[Bete]

But here's the point - let's say you decide to do a "true 2 credit" experience, say the Contemporary Grille...well, most menu items there run $20 to $33. (There is one meal at $41.) So let's say you eat "high end" and spend $33, then add a $10 desert - that's $43. That means you are only getting $21.50 in value per dining credit. Yet you could pay $54 for that CP dining package OOP. So unless you OOP the Tier 1 lunch, I am not sure it makes sense.

I'm looking at it the opposite way...use two TS credits for a Tier 3 dinner - a $54 value. Then instead, I will pay OOP for our cheapest one TS meal. We are planning a lunch at WCC. Meals range $10 - $20. We'll pay for that OOP, and use that extra credit towards the CP package! :thumbsup2 Now, THAT's a better value for your DDP.

SkierPete

however, I did say in my post that I would choose the absolute cheapest package there is for the CP for OOP. In addtition, I'll be enjoying that $70 meal at Narcoosee's for my 2 credit meal ($35 per credit) or I'll do an extra meal with my extra credit in the same Tier 3 restaurant at Epcot without the show package. I will make the final decision when we hear all the details, but this is my plan, right now if the rumors are true. Also, it will depend on price for CP package; who knows it may have skyrocketed in price and OOP may not make sense, either. I'm basing my choice right now on last year's pricing.

It could end up a wash if you pay for a TS lunch OOP and do a Tier 3 for the package. I just like the idea of having lobster with my 2 TS credits at Narcoosee's if I go OOP for CP package. You can go one further and do a CS meal which will be cheaper yet for that credit that's lost, too. I think we will just have to wait to do the number crunching. It will work differently for each of us depending on what we like best.

I just don't want to give in to this change in policy; I'm a diehard. I'm going with first timers who haven't seen the CP. If I wasn't with first timers I would skip it altogether this year in protest.

[Bete]

I tried at 8:30pm on Tuesday, Aug 18 and still no details.

I sure hope tomorrow it's ready for us to know. It wouldn't be fair to those who need to book for the first date not to have all the details.

[MissBritt]

I just called dining and I got the same run around. Now I was told that because I have deluxe dining I will be charged two services while those who have regular dining will be charged only one.No matter what tier and there is nothing added.


This may be my first rodeo, but this is completely unfair and makes absolutely no sense.

[heatherbabydoll1]

The first call I was told that everything is going to be one credit for every one. Then I just called again and now every tier and every one will be charged two credits. But they don't have details out yet she said. So confused!

[steve76]

Yes, this is our dream trip, but I refuse to pay oop or put a second credit towards the CP. If this rumor is in fact true, I'll be sad about missing it, but at least we'll be able to experience other holiday tidbits (Christmas Around the World, MVMCP, Osborne Lights, etc) ...

Even if this is true, it doesn't mean that you have to miss the CP. Remember, at the moment the Dinner Package is effectively free for anyone on the Dining Plan. If they raise it to 2 credits, then fewer people will do the Dinner Package, so it should be easier to attend the show using the standby queue.

[krissylizzy]

:sad2: i am super sad if this turns out to be true and agree with those that are saying it makes no sense to use 2 TS for a 1 TS meal and a free show. wow...

i'm going with my parents the second week of december and now we're not sure what to do :confused3 because is is SUPER important to my mom to see this show, and we don't want to use 2 TS for it, but we also don't want to risk not being able to get in. what a tremendous bummer :sad1: not cool disney, not cool

furthermore, we always save our epcot TS meal for biergarten, as my parents both come from strong german families and enjoy the food and atmosphere...but this is definitely NOT worth 2 TS credits!!

[ScottishMickeyFan]

I just got my CP package arranged but not without lots of stress,, i was told for the 20:15 performance marakesh was full,, eh! it 5 mins after the phone lines opened,, but it was the way she was saying 8.15 dinner,, she kept saying its full,, but as i spoke to her i went online and pulled up 2 bookings, 6pm + 6.30pm and told her,, she said she was putting me in to eat at 8.15pm,, eh! no, the candlight starts then not the meal,, she went away,, then came back and said i have tried it another way for you,, i think she means she put in the correct dining time, lol,, i was so stressed i could not believe it,,

But 2 x TS credits confirmed,, it works out ok for us as we have a few meals off site this trip so have a few extra TS + quite a few CS credits left.

J

[Doug7856]

I just got my CP package arranged but not without lots of stress,, i was told for the 20:15 performance marakesh was full,, eh! it 5 mins after the phone lines opened,, but it was the way she was saying 8.15 dinner,, she kept saying its full,, but as i spoke to her i went online and pulled up 2 bookings, 6pm + 6.30pm and told her,, she said she was putting me in to eat at 8.15pm,, eh! no, the candlight starts then not the meal,, she went away,, then came back and said i have tried it another way for you,, i think she means she put in the correct dining time, lol,, i was so stressed i could not believe it,,

But 2 x TS credits confirmed,, it works out ok for us as we have a few meals off site this trip so have a few extra TS + quite a few CS credits left.

J

Interesting. I just called to get pricing as we may not do the dining plan (DVC). It was confirmed that there will be preferred IllumiNations viewing. While waiting for pricing the call bumped over to the survey so I called back and was told that no pricing was available.

[ScottishMickeyFan]

Interesting. I just called to get pricing as we may not do the dining plan (DVC). It was confirmed that there will be preferred IllumiNations viewing. While waiting for pricing the call bumped over to the survey so I called back and was told that no pricing was available.

Yes, the CM did mention a button for the CP & Fireworks, i did not actually take her on and ask more info but i will remember to quiz at the dining,

[Merryweather7]

Ok, I just called as well. CM (very good one!) checked everything she had and confirmed that all bookings were 2 TS, even lunch, and it is 90+10. At least we know now and can go on from there. Its still too much even if the preferred viewing for fireworks are included. This one is going to be OOP for me.

[Doug7856]

Ok, I just called as well. CM (very good one!) checked everything she had and confirmed that all bookings were 2 TS, even lunch, and it is 90+10. At least we know now and can go on from there. Its still too much even if the preferred viewing for fireworks are included. This one is going to be OOP for me.

Did the CM mention any prices?

[MissBritt]

Sorry, but what is 09+10? Does this mean since it's a special event, we can book 100 days out?

[Bete]

This is 10 am eastern info:

My first CM was clueless about it all. I asked for a supervisor and I was connected to guest services. Guest services said it goes on sale Aug. 19 and he thought today was Aug. 18. I corrected him on the date, but he was no help and he apologized and got me back to the regular dining line to try again. I proceeded to tell the second dining CM my woes here and asked her to check very carefully and get help if needed. She was very nice about it all.

I knew I couldn't ask a lot of questions and have any success; so, I just went for some basic info and a little bit of pricing.

If I can believe this CM which I think I can the package will include an appetizer, reserved seating for the CP show and a preferred viewing spot for Illuminations. This will cost you 2 DP credits. I have verified this information 3 times today; so, I believe the details of the package are correct.

Pricing for adults and children will be (includes tax):

First, this doesn't include all the restaurants on the CP package. Next, I could only get pricing by picking out a restaurant and then the CM looked it up specifically. Let me preface this pricing by saying that even if a restaurant is on the same tier level, pricing may change per the restaurant. This happened on Tier 1 comparing Biergarten to Garden Grill. Garden Grill was more expensive than Biergarten. Second, children pricing on tier 1 for Biergarten was more expensive than tier 2 or tier 3 for children pricing comparing Marrakesh, Teppan Edo and Le Cellier to compare against. Also, dinner pricing was the same for Biergarten and tier 2 for Marrakesh. I believe these differences may have something to do with the Biergarten being the only buffet for the CP processional. I had to do this by restaurant when trying to get pricing. I know this is confusing, but I checked this pricing twice with two different CMs; so, I beleive it's accurate.

LUNCH:
Biergarten Tier 1 is $35.14 adult, $19.16 child
Marrakesh Tier 2 is $41.53 adult, $13.84 child
Teppan Edo or Le Cellier Tier 3 is $55.37 adult, $14.90

DINNER:
BiergartenTier 1 is $47.92 adults, $24.99 child
Marrakesh Tier 2 is $47.92 adults, $15.97 child
Teppan Edo or le Cellier Tier 3 is $63.89 adult, $17.03

Based on these numbers it appears it's a jip to go with children to the Biergarten for lunch or dinner. Also, it seems to be a jip to do dinner for adults at the Biergarten, now. You will really have to want buffet to do this from a money point of view. Garden Grill was even worse as a tier 1 for pricing. Who knows and maybe there's an error here, but the CM wouldn't comment on these price differences and she knew it didn't make sense with a lower tier being more expensive than a higher tier or the same tier having different pricing, etc.

You will really have to do your arithmetic to decide what's better for your situation as to using 2TS dining credits or going OOP. It's not going to be a clear cut decision. It will depend if your lost credit will be made up by going to lunch TS or even doing a CS meal. Disney has made this a very tough decision. Good luck to all.

As of today 8-19 morn, this was the best info available. If anyone can add to this, please do so. The more informed all of us are the better our decisions can be. I really believe this year may be a good year to try standby if you are not there for Thanksgiving week or Christmas week. I don't think Disney is packing them in this year after Thanksgiving time.

Good luck to all. This can give you a headache!

[mcgregml]

First - thanks Bete! Heaven only knows, I almost went crazy last night on hold with Airtran for 20 minutes - I can't imagine calling to get all that info!

Second -

Sorry, but what is 09+10? Does this mean since it's a special event, we can book 100 days out?

Not exactly - the 90 + 10 policy is Disney's standard ADR policy in regards to guests staying at a hotel on Disney property. If you are staying OFF property - you can call 90 days in advance to make your ADR's. If you are staying ON property, you can call 90 days in advance of the first day of your reservation and make reservations not only for that day, but also for the 10 days afterwards. So - either way, you can only call 90 days in advance of your first day.

For example, we're going down on Monday, November 23 which means that our 90 day mark is next Tuesday, August 25. However, on that same day, since we are staying at AKV - Kidani, we can (hopefully) make our CP package reservations for November 30 because that's only 7 days later. Along with all our other ADR's!

Hope that's helpful!

[FirstTimeWDW]

I'm sorry if this is a dumb question, but I didn't see the pricing for Coral Reef does this mean it's no longer available to get a CP Package there? I thought I read that it was one to choose from in the past.

Thanks!

[MissBritt]

Thanks! I remember reading that elsewhere now that I see your response. So you can call 90 days before arrival to make up to 10 days ADRs. Gotcha.

[Bete]

I'm sorry if this is a dumb question, but I didn't see the pricing for Coral Reef does this mean it's no longer available to get a CP Package there? I thought I read that it was one to choose from in the past.

Thanks!

My previous post is meant as a guide to the pricing; it doesn't include all the retaurants that are available. This year it seems the pricing can differ by restaurant even on the same tier; so, I made my pricing specific by restaurant. I tested this out for tier one and this appears to be true for different pricing even on the same level. It's hard to say if tier 2 or tier 3 will have similar issues for pricing or not.

I couldn't ask the CM to go through every restaurant possibility. You will have to call to get specifics about your circumstancers. Again, this is just a guide.

[JessRabbit]

So, the CP packages are 2 TS credits for sure this year?

[skier_pete]

So, the CP packages are 2 TS credits for sure this year?

I think there is no doubt this is true! It also looks like the prices will be going up significantly as well for those paying OOP.

SkierPete

[disneygrandma]

OK, I've made 2 calls this morning. The first CM said they won't start selling these until 8/29. I asked if it would be 90+10, and her reply was yes. I then stated that people arriving Thanksgiving week, before 11/27, should be able to book the CP Dining Pkg today. And she again said No, not until 8/29. Clueless as to what I was saying.

I waited about an hour and called back. This time I asked for pricing only. It took the CM a long-g-g time to locate the info. Here's what I got for the specific restaurants I inquired about:


Tokyo Dining Lunch - Adults: $55.37, Kids: $14.90
" " Dinner - $63.89, $17.03

Coral Reef Lunch - Adults: $55.37, Kids: $14.90
" " Dinner- $63.89, $17.03

Biergarten Lunch - Adults: $35.14, Kids: $19.16
" " Dinner - $47.92, $24.49

Garden Grill Lunch - N/A
" " Dinner - Adults:$47.92, Kids: $24.49


All prices above include sales tax.

So, yes OOP prices have increased by quite a bit, and as to the reasoning of why kids pay more for dinner at Biergarten & Garden Grill than they do at Coral Reef & Tokyo Dining..........who knows? Also, you would think they would have lunch at Garden Grill due to the popularity, but I was told no.

We've only got a few days to make our decision before we call for our ADR's. I'm not sure what we will do.

[JessRabbit]

If this is true, guess it frees up one of our evenings! Unless the standby line isn't too bad:goodvibes

[Merryweather7]

Does anyone know of a place we can go to see the pricing by restaurant yet? That will probably cement a persons decision to go with the TS or OOP.

[TheRustyScupper]

:sad2: i am super sad if this turns out to be true and agree with those that are saying it makes no sense to use 2 TS for a 1 TS meal and a free show.

1) Details of 1-or-2 coupons are not formally released, that I know.
2) Regardless, you are not buying a dinner and a "free show".
3) You are paying for dinner and a reserved seating section.
4) WDW has always charged extra for the food & reserved section.
5) Now, they might just apply the extra cost to DDP people.

6) Personally, I think this is fair.
7) If OOP people pay extra for a reserved section, why shouldn't DDP people?

[Davey-D-99]

This is my first time going in December...We are interested in the CP but I still don't quite understand this:confused3

What else is included at the restaurants besides the seats to a free show?

Lunch at Biergarten for example is normally $20/adult, $11/child
Lunch at Biergarten for this CP is $35.14/adult, $19.16/child

What else is included? Is it a special meal? Beer included or something?

[skier_pete]

2008 Pricing
Lunch
Tier 1 $27.99 adult, $12.99 child 3-9
Tier 2 $37.99 adult, $12.99 child 3-9
Tier 3 $44.99 adult, $12.99 child 3-9

DINNER
Tier 1 $33.99 adult, $14.99 child 3-9
Tier 2 $44.99 adult, $14.99 child 3-9
Tier 3 $53.99 adult, $14.99 child 3-9



Pricing for adults and children will be (includes tax):

LUNCH:
Biergarten Tier 1 is $35.14 adult, $19.16 child
Marrakesh Tier 2 is $41.53 adult, $13.84 child
Teppan Edo or Le Cellier Tier 3 is $55.37 adult, $14.90

DINNER:
BiergartenTier 1 is $47.92 adults, $24.99 child
Marrakesh Tier 2 is $47.92 adults, $15.97 child
Teppan Edo or le Cellier Tier 3 is $63.89 adult, $17.03



Tokyo Dining Lunch - Adults: $55.37, Kids: $14.90
" " Dinner - $63.89, $17.03

Coral Reef Lunch - Adults: $55.37, Kids: $14.90
" " Dinner- $63.89, $17.03

Biergarten Lunch - Adults: $35.14, Kids: $19.16
" " Dinner - $47.92, $24.49

Garden Grill Lunch - N/A
" " Dinner - Adults:$47.92, Kids: $24.49


So based on the info posted so far the 2009 Prices look to be:
Tier 1
Lunch (Biergarten only)
$32.99 + tax for Adults - a $5 increase
$17.99 + tax for children - a $5 increase
Dinner (Biergarten and Garden Grill)
$44.99 + tax for Adults - an $11 increase
$22.99 + tax for children - an $8 increase

Tier 2
Lunch (Marrakesh is only quoted example to date)
$38.99 + tax for Adults - a $1 increase
$12.99 + tax for children - a $0 increase
Dinner
$44.99 + tax for Adults - a $0 increase
$14.99 + tax for children - a $0 increase

Tier 3
Lunch (Teppan Edo / Le Cellier / Coral Reef all quoted as this)
$51.99 + tax for Adults - a $7 increase
$13.99 + tax for children - a $1 increase
Dinner
$59.99 + tax for Adults - a $6 increase
$15.99 + tax for children - a $1 increase
BTW I got these prices by taking Bete and DisneyGrandma's quoted prices and dividing by 1.065 for the 6.5 % sales tax.

So, the different tiers are consistent between restaurants it seems, however for whatever reason, the tier 1 restaurants are WAY higher for kids than either the Tier 2 or 3, and are almost the same as Tier 2 for adults. It doesn't surprise me that they jacked the Tier 1 prices, because if they are charging 2 TS credits, they figure that they have to give you the "value" for it.

Tier 2 appears to have little to no price increase from last year, though we may want a bigger sample, and Tier 3 has a pretty big jump in Adult prices, but not in kids prices.

Remember you read it here first! It seems to me that the OOP cost is about a $10 - $15 premium per adult, and $5-$8 per kid. That premium gets you a reserved seat for CP and Illuminations. Whether its worth 2 TS credits to you is an individual judgement call.

Hope that helps you all decide what you want to do!

SkierPete

[Twende]

I just contacted a person I know who is a Dining CM. I am waiting to hear back form her about the validity of this nasty, I hope, rumor!:scared1:

If this becomes a 2 TS meal I am going to be very angry.

By now I have charts of our credits and meals all worked out and using 2 TS credits for our EPCOT meal is not in the plans!

I think it is horrid enough to pay more OOP in tips based on the price of the package meal than if you bought the meal completely OOP! I complained to Disney about this last year. After all the CP tickets are suppose to be FREE!

I will update as soon as I hear anything!

[blondinkaya]

1) Details of 1-or-2 coupons are not formally released, that I know.
2) Regardless, you are not buying a dinner and a "free show".
3) You are paying for dinner and a reserved seating section.
4) WDW has always charged extra for the food & reserved section.
5) Now, they might just apply the extra cost to DDP people.

6) Personally, I think this is fair.
7) If OOP people pay extra for a reserved section, why shouldn't DDP people?

Okay, well, for the Fantasmic dinner package, if you're on the plan, you have the option of using one TS credit for two of the restaurants or 2 TS credits for the other. It looks like ALL of the CP packages are 2-credit meals. I think that eats rocks.

The package is officially off my list. I still plan to eat at Le Cellier (provided IPO can get it for me), using one credit. I may or may not hop in line for the CP. We'll have lots of other stuff to do/watch, so I'll pretend it's not a big deal to miss ...

[Merryweather7]

So based on the info posted so far the 2009 Prices look to be:
Tier 1
Lunch (Biergarten only)
$32.99 + tax for Adults - a $5 increase
$17.99 + tax for children - a $5 increase
Dinner (Biergarten and Garden Grill)
$44.99 + tax for Adults - an $11 increase
$22.99 + tax for children - an $8 increase

Tier 2
Lunch (Marrakesh is only quoted example to date)
$38.99 + tax for Adults - a $1 increase
$12.99 + tax for children - a $0 increase
Dinner
$44.99 + tax for Adults - a $0 increase
$14.99 + tax for children - a $0 increase

Tier 3
Lunch (Teppan Edo / Le Cellier / Coral Reef all quoted as this)
$51.99 + tax for Adults - a $7 increase
$13.99 + tax for children - a $1 increase
Dinner
$59.99 + tax for Adults - a $6 increase
$15.99 + tax for children - a $1 increase
BTW I got these prices by taking Bete and DisneyGrandma's quoted prices and dividing by 1.065 for the 6.5 % sales tax.

So, the different tiers are consistent between restaurants it seems, however for whatever reason, the tier 1 restaurants are WAY higher for kids than either the Tier 2 or 3, and are almost the same as Tier 2 for adults. It doesn't surprise me that they jacked the Tier 1 prices, because if they are charging 2 TS credits, they figure that they have to give you the "value" for it.

Tier 2 appears to have little to no price increase from last year, though we may want a bigger sample, and Tier 3 has a pretty big jump in Adult prices, but not in kids prices.

Remember you read it here first! It seems to me that the OOP cost is about a $10 - $15 premium per adult, and $5-$8 per kid. That premium gets you a reserved seat for CP and Illuminations. Whether its worth 2 TS credits to you is an individual judgement call.

Hope that helps you all decide what you want to do!

SkierPete


Thanks SkierPete! :thumbsup2 That should help with the decision making process. (I've decided to just book it with the DDP and then make the call to keep it that way or pay OOP later) Its just too much for my little brain to handle after all this speculation! :)

[pmdeve]

Thanks for all the information. We are going to book and then decide later if we are going to pay OOP or use the plan. CP is one of the highlights of my Christmas season.

[DebbieB]

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[queenie82]

Thanks SkierPete! :thumbsup2 That should help with the decision making process. (I've decided to just book it with the DDP and then make the call to keep it that way or pay OOP later) Its just too much for my little brain to handle after all this speculation! :)
I'm with you...I just read all 6 pages and my head hurts:headache:

Just a quick question with the booking though...you confirm with a CC right?
So what is the cancellation policy
Thanks

[skier_pete]

I just thought why the Tier 1s were quoted so high - weren't they quoted for the first day of CP - which would be the day after Thanksgiving? Wouldn't the buffet "holiday pricing" also known as the Disney holiday rip-off be in affect?

Someone should call again in a few days and get pricing on November 30th or later and see if the Tier 1s are still the same price.

SkierPete

[duckyfordonald]

Just read on another thread that there will also be a SET MENU! :sad2:

http://www.disboards.com/showthread.php?p=33233705#post33233705

Is it just me, or does there seem to be very few options? I think we may reconsider the CP package! I wasn't thrilled about having to use 2 credits anyway - I think having the set menu seals the deal for us. Bummer.

[MissBritt]

I don't think that set menus are the way to go, and surprisingly the Le Cellier menu posted is exactly what we wanted, but I'm not too upset about 2 credits.

I know everyone feels differently, but we went with DXDDP to be sure we had plenty of food to spread out for 4 days (only 3 nights per person on the plan) without having to pay more OOP, and I set up my list of ADRs with the chance the CP package would be 2 TS per person, and we won't miss them. I don't mind using them if it means we are guaranteed seats at both shows, even if they are free shows.

I know many would disagree, and I'm not trying to start a debate.

[Merryweather7]

Just read on another thread that there will also be a SET MENU! :sad2:

http://www.disboards.com/showthread.php?p=33233705#post33233705

Is it just me, or does there seem to be very few options? I think we may reconsider the CP package! I wasn't thrilled about having to use 2 credits anyway - I think having the set menu seals the deal for us. Bummer.

Ugh! I think my brain just exploded! Now a set menu??? :scared1: If I wasn't so obsessed about this, it would be funny! I can't wait for the announcement on this one. I was wondering which place to pick, now I'll have to wait to see if what we like is on the menu?! I'm just hoping now that we get some sort of announcement or notice of the menus before I have to book. Good grief, this is getting compicated! :sad2:

[Bete]

The set menu for Le Cellier given would exclude vegetarians and I really don't believe a TS restaurant would do this. I know you can make an exception for dietary needs, but there's always an automatic offering for vegetarians on TS. If you're vegetarian your only choice will be buffet at Biergarten for the package; this wouldn't make sense to me.

With that said you have to remember that Le Cellier has a set menu for those who want an appetizer included in the basic dining plan regardless of the CP package. You don't have to do the set menu at Le Cellier, but it's available to do it there. I think the system may be showing sample menu items that can be ordered for the CP package at Le Cellier, but these are suggestions and not necessarily a requirement of the package.

I called CMs this morn to find out a little more about this part of it; the so-called set menus.

My CM was great. She was totally unaware of any set menu anywhere for CP package. I told her I needed this verified to the nth degree; because, we have vegetarians in our group. She put me on hold and went to guest services. The person in charge of CP through guest services, his name is Nathan stated there is no set menu for the CP package. I believe this information.

Just to make sure the CM gave me direct phone numbers to Chef de France and Tutto Italia. The Le Cellier phone number was wrong in their system (checked twice); so, I couldn't call them direct. Chef and Tutto both said there is not a set menu for their CP dinner package; this is from the horses mouth.

I will continue to research this aspect, but I just find it impossible to believe. This would be like bait and switch, if you were not told about the so-called set menu when booking this event. I can't see Disney doing such deceptive practices.

Le Cellier has a special set menu on a regular basis for 1 dining credit; so, you can include an appetizer on the regular dining plan for your TS. Because, they already do this on a regular basis they may be the exception to the rule here.

[skier_pete]

Bete,

Your logic is sound...but it still not impossible for them to go to a set menu. If they did, it would seem like all the changes have been put in place to discourage people from doing the package. (Much higher prices in some case, 2 TS credits, fixed menus.)

What I don't understand is, why doesn't Disney just come out and announce the CP plans. In past years they were announced weeks before people were allowed to book them.

Boo on you Disney!
SkierPete

[Doug7856]

What I don't understand is, why doesn't Disney just come out and announce the CP plans. In past years they were announced weeks before people were allowed to book them.

Boo on you Disney!
SkierPete

Agreed!

[Twende]

Bete,
What I don't understand is, why doesn't Disney just come out and announce the CP plans. In past years they were announced weeks before people were allowed to book them.

Boo on you Disney!
SkierPete

:thanks::thumbsup2
I so agree with this too! I have to plan for a large family and friends group. These last second changes and announcements are not making this pleasant or easy for me! Come on Disney. Get your act together!

[steve76]

Okay, I'm really not happy about this now. I could accept Disney making a small surcharge for DDP guests using the Dinner Package (effectively they charge OOP guests a surcharge, but DDP have effectively got the Dinner Package for free in previous years). Charging 2 credits for the CPDP is a stretch, but one that I might have accepted, since we will be on the DxDP and really want to see the show.

But if the rumours are true, and it is going to be a (very) limited set menu? For 2 credits? I think that is outrageous.

I know that, by all rights, Disney can charge whatever it likes and I shouldn't be angry about it. But one of the reasons that we are going back to Disney is to 'do it' at Christmas and to see the show. We only have a limited time there, and only two days at Epcot, and don't want to spend hours queuing for the show.

We booked this vacation in January, and pretty much knew what our plans were in February and March. Yet once again we have to wait until pretty much the eleventh hour for Disney to get its a$$ into gear and publish the details.

I hope the set menu is just an unfounded rumour. If it is, then it could have all been so easily avoided if Disney had just made its mind up and published the details! We shouldn't have to rely on piecing together nuggets of information gained by customers on the phone!

Vent over. :rolleyes1

[Davey-D-99]

Okay, I'm really not happy about this now. I could accept Disney making a small surcharge for DDP guests using the Dinner Package (effectively they charge OOP guests a surcharge, but DDP have effectively got the Dinner Package for free in previous years). Charging 2 credits for the CPDP is a stretch, but one that I might have accepted, since we will be on the DxDP and really want to see the show.

But if the rumours are true, and it is going to be a (very) limited set menu? For 2 credits? I think that is outrageous.

I know that, by all rights, Disney can charge whatever it likes and I shouldn't be angry about it. But one of the reasons that we are going back to Disney is to 'do it' at Christmas and to see the show. We only have a limited time there, and only two days at Epcot, and don't want to spend hours queuing for the show.

We booked this vacation in January, and pretty much knew what our plans were in February and March. Yet once again we have to wait until pretty much the eleventh hour for Disney to get its a$$ into gear and publish the details.

I hope the set menu is just an unfounded rumour. If it is, then it could have all been so easily avoided if Disney had just made its mind up and published the details! We shouldn't have to rely on piecing together nuggets of information gained by customers on the phone!

I agree 100%

I would like to add that Disney should posting the December park hours by now as well....AARGGHH!!:mad::mad:
It is starting to drive me nuts waiting for them to post these.

[Doug7856]

I hate to rant, but I just find Disney's conduct on this to be so disrespectful to it's loyal customers. We're planning our 23rd Walt Disney World vacation and I have never had this experience. Over the past two years, Disney's respect for its customer has just deteriorated. I really have no problem with the two credits by itself, but coupled with the late release of details and unwillingness to publish the details of this mystery package is just unacceptable. Add in the habitually late operating hours and the ever changing rules and the sum is: FRUSTERATION!

I'm very tempted to skip our visit next year. The magic is just getting really thin.

[Bete]

August 29. I know about the 10 day plus rule for Disney guests; so, I understand on site guests can book this CP package now.

When you think about the people who are not staying on site who will be doing the CP package and not being able to do their booking until August 29 or later then maybe, just maybe Disney will announce complete details at this point.

I'm anxiuos to get complete detailed information, too.

I can't believe there will be set menus without that information being passed on to the guest who is booking right now. I have not caught Disney in this kind of deceptive practice and I don't think it's going to start with this CP package.

I have talked to a lot of dining CMs today and I even had a chance to talk directly to two, better TS restaurants at Epcot today about it and no one, I mean no one is acknowledging a set menu for CP processional.

[DC7800]

Over the past two years, Disney's respect for its customer has just deteriorated.........
.........I'm very tempted to skip our visit next year. The magic is just getting really thin.

Sadly, it started long before two years ago....

[Merryweather7]

I agree, this has been a disgraceful display of Disney arrogance. They don't post hours for the parks on time, they jack up pricing, and now they've totally messed up the very thing we are making this trip down for...Christmas. I simply don't understand why they continue to press their luck by insulting and disregarding their loyal customers. We have been so very excited to come down and see all the Christmas happenings and now, I have to admit, the luster is gone. I can't for the life of me see myself telling my 8yr old DN that she has to order a hotdog at LeCellier while I'm eating steak and ESPECIALLY when you can upgrade to a childs steak on the regular menu. What an insult to her and to me to think I'd pay $17 for something like that. It looks from this board that Disney has opened a can of worms on this one. How very frustrating. :mad:

[Redbudlover]

What are the other tier one restaurants? preferred seating for Illuminations during the slowest time of the year in early December does not make it worth 2 credits for me - and I do not care for Biergartens. But I am also confused - are you saying that the tier one restaurants would still be one credit on the DDP?

[Merryweather7]

Redbudlover, its looking like all restaurants, no matter what "tier" they've been on in the past, are going to be 2 TS. From all the reading I've done on this the only way the tiers are going to factor in is if you decide to do OOP for the package.

[Bete]

because dining plan credits are the same for all tiers. Obviously, first choice will be tier three for everyone.

My advice if you are going and using your DP credits you should book early under the DP.

[ScottishMickeyFan]

because dining plan credits are the same for all tiers. Obviously, first choice will be tier three for everyone.

My advice if you are going and using your DP credits you should book early under the DP.

I went with Marackesh as i had picked this venue months before any talk of 2 dining credits, im happy enough it is tier 2 but this wont bother me too much as its our 1st time dining but will be put out if its a limited set menu.

During our trip we will be visiting Biergarten & Coral reef for the 1st time as well,,

[Merryweather7]

OK, I just got this email from my TA - It does NOT show a set menu:

Holidays at Walt Disney World Resort - Candlelight Processional

November 27 – December 30, 2009 at the Epcot Theme Park

Candlelight Processional Lunch & Dinner Packages Now Available

Revel in the joy of the season as you listen to an unforgettable retelling of the Christmas story by a celebrity narrator accompanied by a 50-piece orchestra and mass choir. Performances are at the American Gardens Theatre in the America (USA) Pavilion in the Epcot World Showcase.

Performances take place each evening at 5:00pm, 6:45pm and 8:15pm

Here’s a youtube link you can check out, if you’d like: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YimI0FenPCE&feature=PlayList&p=0FB8CF8AD99D1FBE&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=88

2009 Candlelight Processional Narrators:

11/27 - 11/29: Isabella Rossellini
11/30 - 12/02: John O'Hurley
12/03 - 12/05: Steven Curtis Chapman
12/06 - 12/08: Anika Noni Rose
12/09 - 12/11: Andy Garcia
12/12 - 12/14: Vanessa Williams
12/15 - 12/17: Abigail Breslin
12/18 - 12/20: Whoopi Goldberg
12/21 - 12/23: Brian Dennehy
12/24 - 12/26: Edward James Olmos
12/27 - 12/30: Angela Bassett & Courtney B. Vance

NOTE: The schedule of performers is subject to change without notice
This is a much loved holiday event at Disneyworld and the shows nearly always fill to capacity, with people lining up even hours early to get a seat.



TIP: For the shortest wait, plan to see the 5:00PM performance – if you are not booking a Candlelight Processional Lunch or Dinner Package (information below). You will probably need to line up 45 – 60 minutes early for this performance. Later performances will have longer waits.



Candlelight Processional Lunch & Dinner Packages



You can avoid the long wait by booking a Candlelight Processional Dinner Package. The Candlelight Processional Dinner Package allows you to dine at one of several Epcot restaurants prior to the performance and then you’ll receive a voucher allowing you to bypass the long line. The restaurants are grouped into three different price tiers – this does not affect you if you are using the Standard/Plus or Deluxe Disney Dining Plans but may be a consideration if you are paying out of pocket. There are a very limited number of these packages available so you need to book early.



IMPORTANT ~ New policy for 2009: The Candlelight Processional Dining Packages are now considered a Signature Dining Experience and will require 2 Disney Dining Plan table service credits per person age 3 or older.



Tier 1 Restaurants - Candlelight Processional Lunch and Dinner Package:

· Biergarten Restaurant (Germany Pavilion)

· Garden Grill Character Dinner (Land Pavilion - not available for lunch)

Lunch Price (see the 5:00PM performance): $32.99 Age 10 – Adult / $17.99 per child age 3 – 9.
Dinner Price (6:45PM or 8:15PM performance): $44.99 Age 10 – Adult / $22.99 per child age 3 – 9.



Tier 2 Restaurants - Candlelight Processional Lunch and Dinner Package:

· Nine Dragons (China Pavilion)

· Restaurant Marrakesh (Morocco Pavilion )

· Rose & Crown (United Kingdom Pavilion)

· San Angel Inn (Mexico Pavilion)

Lunch Price (see the 5:00PM performance): $38.99 Age 10 – Adult / $12.99 per child age 3 – 9.
Dinner Price (6:45PM or 8:15PM performance): $44.99 Age 10 – Adult / $14.99 per child age 3 – 9.



Tier3 Restaurants - Candlelight Processional Lunch and Dinner Package:

· Coral Reef (The Seas Pavilion)

· LeCellier Steakhouse (Canada Pavilion)

· Chefs de France (France Pavilion)

· Teppan Edo and Tokyo Dining (Japan Pavilion)

· Tutto Italia (Italy Pavilion)

Lunch Price (see the 5:00PM performance): $51.99 Age 10 – Adult / $13.99 per child age 3 – 9.
Dinner Price (6:45PM or 8:15PM performance): $60.99 Age 10 – Adult / $15.99 per child age 3 – 9.



Note: Prices exclude tax and gratuity. Lobster entrée is also excluded from this package. I don’t know why the child’s price is so much higher for Tier 1 but I double-checked the information; it may be because the Garden Grill is the only character dining option for this package.



TIP: You can save money by booking a dining package for the 5:00PM performance. You’ll enjoy a late lunch with reservations typically booked between 1:45 & 2:30PM. Please note that the Garden Grill is not open for lunch. The 5:00PM performance is wonderful but please note that this is dusk and not quite dark which might detract from the performance a bit for some people.



TIP: If you want to enjoy IllumiNations (fireworks) that same night, you’ll probably want a 5:00 or 6:45PM seating. The 8:15PM performance will make it difficult to find a spot for the fireworks.



Reservations can (and should be) booked up to 90 days prior to arrival. If you are not on a Disney Dining Plan, you will have to pay for the meal with a credit card at the time of booking but this is refundable up to 72 hours prior to the reservation. If you are on a Disney Dining Package, a credit card number will be required to confirm the reservation; nothing will be charged to the credit card unless you are a “no show”.

I guess it is what it is. Good luck folks.

[Bete]

Please note your prices do not include tax.

At least we know what the deal is now.

[lugnut33]

Maybe this is just the eventual change to quick service being 1 dining credit, all table service plans being 2 credits, and signature dining being available on the deluxe plan only?

[skier_pete]

Hey, I got all the prices right! (page 6) Now to decide what to do! Anyone know where the illuminations reserved viewing is? (At least where it usually is.)

SkierPete

[Bete]

Hey, I got all the prices right! (page 6) Now to decide what to do! Anyone know where the illuminations reserved viewing is? (At least where it usually is.)

SkierPete

but it may be a different viewing area for Illuminations for each CP show held.

Some feel you will get the best Illuminations viewing area if you are tier 3, then tier 2 and followed by tier 1 having the least desirable viewing area, but still a private area.

[HappyHappy]

Can you book this online? I'm trying to follow all info, but I missed this.

[NOLA_Tink]

Hey, I got all the prices right! (page 6) Now to decide what to do! Anyone know where the illuminations reserved viewing is? (At least where it usually is.)

SkierPete

I'm struggling with what to do also! Should we do Biergarten at lunch OOP or dinner at Le Cellier & use 2 credits to get cheese soup with our dinner? I just can't decide. (I'm also a little nervous about Le Cellier's timing- we were seated almost 1 hr after our July ADR time.) Choices, choices!

[ShellyLynn3630]

Maybe this is just the eventual change to quick service being 1 dining credit, all table service plans being 2 credits, and signature dining being available on the deluxe plan only?

I never put anything past Disney. It could happen.

[Twende]

How will the reserved viewing areas for Illuminations affect those who do not see the CP?

Where are they going to put all those people in one area?


I wrote a letter to Disney but I have not heard back yet. I did get the we got your email response but that is it.:confused3

[Bete]

How will the reserved viewing areas for Illuminations affect those who do not see the CP?

Where are they going to put all those people in one area?


I wrote a letter to Disney but I have not heard back yet. I did get the we got your email response but that is it.:confused3

that each show will have a separate Illuminations viewing area. Some believe you will have a better viewing area for Illuminations if you are on a higher tier restaurant; because, it costs more you get a better view. Most of these areas are private viewing places; so, it doesn't affect anyone else. These are the roped off areas that you see all the time.

[Merryweather7]

I was wondering, now that the shock of having 2 TS or a whopping $60 bucks for the top tier restaurant has subsided a bit, will they section off the seating at the CP based on tiers? Another poster has speculated that the Illuminations preferred viewing areas may be done by tiers. It almost makes sense (if any of this does) that the seating would be the same. Now I have absolutely no reason to think this...not one soul has said a word about it, but wouldn't it make sense? Thoughts/opinions?

[Bete]

has always been on a first come, first serve basis. The way it is set logistically, it really can't be any other way. Also, this seems to be the fairest way.

If the fireworks have different viewing areas based on which tier restaurant you have done, it will still be on a first come, first serve basis, too. Those who come early will have better views in each area. The fireworks area is still speculation, but it only makes sense; because, three shows can't fit in any one area for Illuminations too easily; that would be a nightmare.

[DHester917]

Coming out of lurkdom. :surfweb:
I called WDW Dining a while ago and got the [U]most[U] "I couldn't care less about your plans" CM in the entire CRO area.
I know....I know....should have hung up and called back; but after being on hold for 18 minutes, I was desperate.

He told me it is definitely 2 TS credits, no matter which DDP you're on (regular, deluxe, etc.) Did NOT include tips, did NOT include appetizers, and he didn't offer one iota of information about the Illuminations special viewing areas.
I said "Hmmm...doesn't seem like a very good deal to me"
...and he said "I wouldn't do it. You can get regular stand-by seating at the CP". :headache:
oooookaaaaaaay.
Bye. ::click::

I think we are just going to make our 90 day ADR's and hope for the best.

[Doug7856]

Coming out of lurkdom. :surfweb:
I called WDW Dining a while ago and got the [U]most[U] "I couldn't care less about your plans" CM in the entire CRO area.
I know....I know....should have hung up and called back; but after being on hold for 18 minutes, I was desperate.

He told me it is definitely 2 TS credits, no matter which DDP you're on (regular, deluxe, etc.) Did NOT include tips, did NOT include appetizers, and he didn't offer one iota of information about the Illuminations special viewing areas.
I said "Hmmm...doesn't seem like a very good deal to me"
...and he said "I wouldn't do it. You can get regular stand-by seating at the CP". :headache:
oooookaaaaaaay.
Bye. ::click::

I think we are just going to make our 90 day ADR's and hope for the best.

If I had gotten this guy, I would have definitely participated in the survey at the end of the call.