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mckinley
07-29-2009, 09:29 PM
This might not be the best place to post this, but thought someone might have some ideas.

My 8 month old nephew is constantly digging his feet together like they really itch, he makes them really red and sometimes scratches them with his toenails. What could possibly be wrong with them?

He also has started pulling his hair for no apparent reason (not all the time maybe 1-2 times a day we have saw him do it), and he screams out all the time. He is really intelligent has been trying to walk for over a month now, jabbering and speaking words to. I do know he is spoiled rotten so that could just be why he screams. What is your opinion? Do you think any of these things are related.

goofyboyzmom
07-29-2009, 09:34 PM
Are his feet red at all? He may be allergic to one of the new foods he is trying or from dragging his feet across the carpet when he is crawling. Does he wear footie-pajamas? So many things to worry about with little munchkins. He may just pull his hair because he can. LOL He is seeing cause and effect. Check with his doctor if he keeps with the itchy-feet -- can you imagine something so irritating as having a constant itch and not being able to do anything about it? Good luck.

Blue.Fairy2
07-29-2009, 09:38 PM
it may be nothing but sounds a little like Autism Spectrum disorder maybe Aspergers syndrome.


http://www.udel.edu/bkirby/asperger/aswhatisit.html

princessbride6205
07-29-2009, 09:44 PM
With doctor okay, I would try a topical anti-itch cream on his feet and then leave barefoot or cotton socks washed in super gentle detergent. It sounds to me like these may be separate issues. We are such an allergy-prone family, though, that's where my mind goes first. Good luck to the little guy!

NYCDiane
07-29-2009, 09:46 PM
it may be nothing but sounds a little like Autism Spectrum disorder maybe Aspergers syndrome.


http://www.udel.edu/bkirby/asperger/aswhatisit.html


Geez!!!! Don't automatically "diagnose" the child with autism! Holy smokes!! It could be something as simple as a new laundry detergent that's irritating his skin to a new soap or shampoo his mom is using on him to just some allergens in the air. It could also be some type of "summer cold" --- I've had one for the past 2 weeks and, in addition to the usual cold symptoms, my feet have been itching like mad and my FACE is constantly itchy and it drives me NUTS and my hair always feels "wrong" and I have to pull at it, push it back, etc. (gee, I wonder if I have Autism Spectrum disorder or Aspergers syndrome? I better get checked!)

People are so quick to 'diagnose' kids with ADD, ADHD, Autism and everything else these days!! I can guarantee you, about 90% of the "diagnosed" kids have absolutely NOTHING wrong with them except a parent/doctor looking for an easy excuse!

MomBoyd
07-29-2009, 09:48 PM
He might be allergic to something which is touching his skin. This could be laundry detergent, a soap or bath product or even a lotion or cream. I speak from experience, since I am allergic to many normally harmless items such as bubble bath and Vaseline. I would take him to his doctor for help determining what exactly is causing the problem.

LanaJae
07-29-2009, 09:50 PM
Has he had a strep infection recently, possibly as an ear infection?

There is something called PANDAS, it's an autoimmune issue from a strep infection that brings on sudden obsessive behavior.

la79al
07-29-2009, 10:53 PM
From the time my DD learned to sit up until she learned to walk, she would sit up, reach down and scratch her legs to the point where she often had scratches on them. I think it was just a matter of her being bored or something similar. She also has, for the longest time, pulled her hair. She has always had a ton of it and it is super curly so apparently it's fun to pull. Now that she is older, she mainly just does this when she is sitting in her highchair (yay for bananas and pasta in her hair!). As for the screaming, DD has just started this in the past couple of weeks and I think it's just part of becoming a toddler. Maybe if your nephew is pulling himself up, make sure he doesn't have something like a splinter stuck in his foot or maybe an ingrown/bothersome toenail. Sorry, that's all I can think of.

NYCDiane
07-29-2009, 11:07 PM
he screams out all the time. He is really intelligent has been trying to walk for over a month now, jabbering and speaking words to. .


I just re-read this and it brought back a memory of when my DD was a baby. She would jabber/babble a lot, forming some words. Other times, she would just be sitting or lying there wiggling around, playing and let out these SHRIEKS.... it was actually funny because you could see her gearing up for it. She would wiggle a little, take a deep breath and "eeeeeeeeaaaaaahhhhhh!" super, super loud.

There was nothing wrong with her ---- just trying to convey happiness, laughter, contentment or whatever.


Don't read too much into what babies/toddlers do. 99.9% of the time, they're just having fun.

mrsbornkuntry
07-29-2009, 11:13 PM
When I was a kid my feet were really itchy and I eventually ended up at a podiatrist that said it was from not keeping them dry or drying them enough after my bath. Maybe his Mom could try drying them off real well and putting some Aveeno or Eucerin cream on them to see if that stops him from rubbing them.

The hair pulling, it seems like one of my kids did that just because they were mad and happen to get ahold of it? I don't know.

TBGOES2DISNEY
07-29-2009, 11:31 PM
It's always best to take a baby to the pediatrician if you suspect something could be wrong. A good doctor will be glad to put your fears to rest and not make you feel stupid if it turns out to be nothing.

That being said, my babies always rubbed their feet together when they could sit up. My first dd did it so much that we put a baby soccer ball at her feet and it looked like she was playing ball! :rotfl: That being said, her feet were never all red even with as much kicking and rubbing as she did. So it is possible that something could be bothering him like previous posters have suggested, or maybe his toenails are scraping him as he is doing this. :confused3

As far as hair pulling, that is normal. All of my kids have done that. They discover they have hair, they pull it. They can't get to it, they pull it some more. Screaming is perfectly normal, even a lot - screaming constantly, maybe not so much. Remember, babies who are learning so many new things, especially walking, can be frustrated and exhausted. They're little people with feelings too. And the jabbering is a good sign; he's practicing talking.

If you're worried, tell the pediatrician all the concerns, and I'm sure they'll be glad to check it out. :thumbsup2

amywhite11
07-29-2009, 11:55 PM
My DD is 9 months and just started the hair pulling. She constantly pulls mine and DD3's hair and she just figured out she has her own. She makes lovely hair styles with her food.

The screaming out could be another way of expressing himself. It got your attention, so he'll continue to do it.

I agree with PP's, verify if there's been a food change, clothing change or soap change. There's no harm in going to his pediatrician for a consult.

Stacerita
07-30-2009, 12:10 AM
The rubbing of the feet sounds like a contact allergy to me. And you stated that he has been trying to walk? It could also be something in the carpet. Have a peds doc check it out.

The hair pulling and screaming out sound normal to me though.

buzz5985
07-30-2009, 02:56 AM
[QUOTE=NYCDiane;32938013

People are so quick to 'diagnose' kids with ADD, ADHD, Autism and everything else these days!! I can guarantee you, about 90% of the "diagnosed" kids have absolutely NOTHING wrong with them except a parent/doctor looking for an easy excuse![/QUOTE]

I will have to remember that point the next time that my DS see's his Neurologist. Funny how BC&BS pays for these twice yearly visits in full, should I advise them also that there is nothing wrong with DS?? Where exactly does your medical degree come from?? Or what degree do you have to make this decision? I am really eager to learn more. I will have to tell DH that all our problems are related to poor parenting, and looking for an easy excuse, he will be so relieved. So now all we have to do is learn to be "good parents" and all DS problems will magically evaporate.

To think I found the answer to my prayers on the Budget boards of the Dis.

vgrandy
07-30-2009, 05:53 AM
People are so quick to 'diagnose' kids with ADD, ADHD, Autism and everything else these days!! I can guarantee you, about 90% of the "diagnosed" kids have absolutely NOTHING wrong with them except a parent/doctor looking for an easy excuse!

I work in the field and it is not easy to get a kid diagnosed with Autism. ADHD may be over diagnosed but no where near the 90% you made up. Both are very real conditions that parents have to deal with every day. Your condescending attitude really only reflects your narrow mindedness and doesn't represent any actual real statistics.

To the OP, 8 months is way to young to diagnose anything. Ask the ped if you are concerned.

NYCDiane
07-30-2009, 06:22 AM
I will have to remember that point the next time that my DS see's his Neurologist. Funny how BC&BS pays for these twice yearly visits in full, should I advise them also that there is nothing wrong with DS?? Where exactly does your medical degree come from?? Or what degree do you have to make this decision? I am really eager to learn more. I will have to tell DH that all our problems are related to poor parenting, and looking for an easy excuse, he will be so relieved. So now all we have to do is learn to be "good parents" and all DS problems will magically evaporate.

To think I found the answer to my prayers on the Budget boards of the Dis.


I didn't say ALL...... I said that docs/parents are much too quick to diagnose.... A child isn't reciting the Gettysburg Address by 10 months? OMG! He must be Autistic!! My 4 year old can't sit through a 90 minute movie without squirming around? ADD!

You can't say that over the past 15 years, children have been "overdiagnosed" with these problems. In years past, it was "ants in the pants" and a normal part of being a kid. Today, it's ADD/ADHD and let's get them on meds to change the chemical makeup of their brain so they "calm down".

I'm not saying your child doesn't have whatever condition you take him in for. What I'm saying is that there is serious overdiagnosis these days becuase it's much easier to "diagnose" than to actually find a reason for the problems or to let a child learn and grow at their own rate.

The OP mentioned itching and hair pulling. The other poster immediately said "it could be autism or aspergers"..... Are you kidding me?!?! I even looked at the link and the link has absolutely NOTHING to do with the symptoms the BABY has.

BeckyScott
07-30-2009, 06:51 AM
If the child is saying real words at 8 months, I'm pretty sure it isn't autism. Since one of the criteria is the language delay. Not that I'm a doctor either, but I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express once.

I was thinking eczema, possibly? Which kinda follows an allergy.

Eucerin rocks. We usually slather it on like crazy (I always say like you're greasing a cake pan) and then we put some of DH's socks on, because they'll come up mid-thigh on a small child and almost impossible for them to scoot them off.

Go to the ped.

Green Tea
07-30-2009, 06:52 AM
Did it start when he began walking? It could be the new toughing of the soles-he hasn't used them much until now.:) Is he suddenly wearing shoes? The moisture that stays in kid's shoes can be irritating. If they aren't breathable, that and footed PJs can keep them as wet as an old gym towel tossed in a locker.

kwhite1022
07-30-2009, 08:23 AM
I didn't say ALL...... I said that docs/parents are much too quick to diagnose.... A child isn't reciting the Gettysburg Address by 10 months? OMG! He must be Autistic!! My 4 year old can't sit through a 90 minute movie without squirming around? ADD!

You can't say that over the past 15 years, children have been "overdiagnosed" with these problems. In years past, it was "ants in the pants" and a normal part of being a kid. Today, it's ADD/ADHD and let's get them on meds to change the chemical makeup of their brain so they "calm down".


The OP mentioned itching and hair pulling. The other poster immediately said "it could be autism or aspergers"..... Are you kidding me?!?! I even looked at the link and the link has absolutely NOTHING to do with the symptoms the BABY has.

I think it depends on your level of interaction with children with these problems. When I read the OP post my first thought was also Autism related....due to warning bells going off in my head from signs we experienced with my nephew. He exhibited alot of signs early on...and granted he was not diagnoised till he was 2. However, because my SIL knew early on she made a huge difference in how she interacted with him and also how quickly she got help for him. Now at 5 he is doing amazing...and all his specialists and doctors say he would be a completely different kid had people not noticed the signs early.

All that being said...no reason to assume anything, but definetly taking all possiblities into account is always wise.

Blue.Fairy2
07-30-2009, 08:43 AM
Geez!!!! Don't automatically "diagnose" the child with autism! Holy smokes!! It could be something as simple as a new laundry detergent that's irritating his skin to a new soap or shampoo his mom is using on him to just some allergens in the air. It could also be some type of "summer cold" --- I've had one for the past 2 weeks and, in addition to the usual cold symptoms, my feet have been itching like mad and my FACE is constantly itchy and it drives me NUTS and my hair always feels "wrong" and I have to pull at it, push it back, etc. (gee, I wonder if I have Autism Spectrum disorder or Aspergers syndrome? I better get checked!)

People are so quick to 'diagnose' kids with ADD, ADHD, Autism and everything else these days!! I can guarantee you, about 90% of the "diagnosed" kids have absolutely NOTHING wrong with them except a parent/doctor looking for an easy excuse!

I am not diagnosing anyone, I said it may be nothing.

I agree children are over diagnosed and put on way too many meds!

She asked and I answered, having had a patient with similar symptoms, Autism is better diagnosed early than late.

I truly hope that it is just an allery, but if this were my son I would be concerned enough to want to elimate all the possibilities.

"Autistic children do not express interest in other people and often prefer to be alone. They may resist changes in their routine, repeat actions (e.g., turn in circles, flap their arms) over and over, and engage in self-injurious behavior (e.g., bite or scratch themselves, bang their head)."

the link was just to a autism site, here is another one:

http://www.neurologychannel.com/autism/symptoms.shtml

So keep your Sarcastic remarks to yourself.

I think it depends on your level of interaction with children with these problems. When I read the OP post my first thought was also Autism related....due to warning bells going off in my head from signs we experienced with my nephew. He exhibited alot of signs early on...and granted he was not diagnoised till he was 2. However, because my SIL knew early on she made a huge difference in how she interacted with him and also how quickly she got help for him. Now at 5 he is doing amazing...and all his specialists and doctors say he would be a completely different kid had people not noticed the signs early.

All that being said...no reason to assume anything, but definetly taking all possiblities into account is always wise.

ty, exactly my reaction.

PinkRhombus
07-30-2009, 09:41 AM
I am not diagnosing anyone, I said it may be nothing.


You also said "sounds a little like Autism Spectrum disorder maybe Aspergers syndrome."

Way to scare the heck out of someone.

Autism symptoms don't usually show up on a 9 month old, and Aspergers is much later, around 3.

So, yeah, you shouldn't go jumping in with comments like that.



To the OP: Did they clean their carpets recently? Do they use any type of carpet powder?

plummer925
07-30-2009, 10:00 AM
I am not diagnosing anyone, I said it may be nothing.

I agree children are over diagnosed and put on way too many meds!

She asked and I answered, having had a patient with similar symptoms, Autism is better diagnosed early than late.

I truly hope that it is just an allery, but if this were my son I would be concerned enough to want to elimate all the possibilities.

"Autistic children do not express interest in other people and often prefer to be alone. They may resist changes in their routine, repeat actions (e.g., turn in circles, flap their arms) over and over, and engage in self-injurious behavior (e.g., bite or scratch themselves, bang their head)."

the link was just to a autism site, here is another one:

http://www.neurologychannel.com/autism/symptoms.shtml

So keep your Sarcastic remarks to yourself.



ty, exactly my reaction.


You are SO way off here! Telling someone else SARCASTICALLY to keep their sarcastic remarks to themselves?! And that person wasn't even being sarcastic! SHEESH! YOU were out of line pulling up a disorder!

surfergirl602
07-30-2009, 10:09 AM
I just re-read this and it brought back a memory of when my DD was a baby. She would jabber/babble a lot, forming some words. Other times, she would just be sitting or lying there wiggling around, playing and let out these SHRIEKS.... it was actually funny because you could see her gearing up for it. She would wiggle a little, take a deep breath and "eeeeeeeeaaaaaahhhhhh!" super, super loud.

There was nothing wrong with her ---- just trying to convey happiness, laughter, contentment or whatever.


Don't read too much into what babies/toddlers do. 99.9% of the time, they're just having fun.

we used to call our middle DD teakettle, because that's what she sounded like. She loved to hear herself scream!

momejay
07-30-2009, 10:34 AM
It is hot is it Summer. Is the child wearing shoes?
Is the child walking in grass?
Maybe a grass allergy?
Were they hand-me-down shoes?
Maybe if the child is wearing shoes it is related to sweaty feet?
New carpet cleaner?
Maybe it's a learned behavior anyone else in the house have itchy feet?

We found out through eating hot dogs & corn on the cob more often in Summer that my son was allergic to yellow food dyes found in "artificial butter sprinkles" & mustard.

My son is autistic & we also found out he has an allergy to certain carpet cleaners. He would rub his face on the carpet to smell the scent of the cleaner & would get a rash from it.

ma2jr
07-30-2009, 10:40 AM
I think he needs to consult a pediatrician. Poor thing can't be comfortable if he has the itchies.

Teacher510
07-30-2009, 10:55 AM
I would definitely see the pediatrician but when I was 11 (a million years ago!) I returned to school after some viral thing and had excruciatingly itchy feet. I couldn't sleep and when sitting in school I would take my feet out of my shoes and rub them on the shoes. My mom made a baking soda paste in the middle of the night and that brought me relief. We never knew for sure what my problem was but my mom assumed it was part of the virus. Thank goodness for baking soda! PS the paste also takes out oil stains on clothing if you let it dry and brush it off.

luvdzny
07-30-2009, 11:11 AM
People are so quick to 'diagnose' kids with ADD, ADHD, Autism and everything else these days!! I can guarantee you, about 90% of the "diagnosed" kids have absolutely NOTHING wrong with them except a parent/doctor looking for an easy excuse!

I guess DD better start looking for a new job then. She is a therapist for children with Autism. If 90% of the kids she works with do not have Autism then she will be out of a job.


NYCDiane:
Just out of curiosity, where did you get your facts from?

semo233
07-30-2009, 12:35 PM
Okay everyone, take a deep breath. I think everyone agrees that if this has been going on for over a week, a trip to the pediatrician is in order.

Although I am not an Autism expert, I work extensively with children with autism and am also a family member of a child with autism. Even if a child has all the symptoms of anything on the autism scale, diagnosis is not made until after the age of 3. This is mostly due to the varying ages that kids develope at. Some children do exhibit symptoms from birth, others at as late as 3 years old.

OP, since you are the aunt, what does the mother say? Does she think this is a problem? Is the child pulling the hair out or just pulling? There is a difference between obsessive behavior and self injurous behavior and the pediatrician will need to know this.

luvsmickeymouse
07-30-2009, 12:43 PM
Could be from what he wears on his feet, socks, sandels, sneakers. Cotton socks and good leather sneakers or sandels if he wears shoes yet. Keep his feet dry. Footed pajamas may be a problem too.

Blue.Fairy2
07-30-2009, 02:36 PM
You are SO way off here! Telling someone else SARCASTICALLY to keep their sarcastic remarks to themselves?! And that person wasn't even being sarcastic! SHEESH! YOU were out of line pulling up a disorder!

actually her comment . (gee, I wonder if I have Autism Spectrum disorder or Aspergers syndrome? I better get checked!)


was sarcastic, I was not being sarcastic.

Not going to hijack this thread it is not about me or attacking me.

OP asked for opinions and I gave mine.

Like I said before I hope it is something easily treated and the little guy is healthy and well.

All I have to say on this matter.

vgrandy
07-30-2009, 04:06 PM
I didn't say ALL...... I said that docs/parents are much too quick to diagnose.... A child isn't reciting the Gettysburg Address by 10 months? OMG! He must be Autistic!! My 4 year old can't sit through a 90 minute movie without squirming around? ADD!
.

You didn't say all but you did say "90% of kids diagnosed with autism and ADHD had nothing wrong with them"
. That is very offensive to parents with special needs kids.

Autism is being diagnosed in kids as young as 2 but it isn't an easy process. Having a diagnosis that young means getting services started sooner and a better outcome for that child.

semo233
07-30-2009, 04:26 PM
Autism is being diagnosed in kids as young as 2 but it isn't an easy process. Having a diagnosis that young means getting services started sooner and a better outcome for that child.

My experience is that diagnosis this early is rare (and sometimes not accurate), but your point about getting services is right on.

vgrandy
07-30-2009, 06:30 PM
My experience is that diagnosis this early is rare (and sometimes not accurate), but your point about getting services is right on.

You are right. I work with birth-3 yr olds and we do advocate kids get evaluated and diagnosed prior to 3 when there are clearly issues. The wait lists for evals are often long and provisional diagnosis is no longer enough to get services. While it doesn't seem rare from my perspective, I work with special needs kids and my perspective is a bit skewed.

NYCDiane
07-30-2009, 08:22 PM
You didn't say all but you did say "90% of kids diagnosed with autism and ADHD had nothing wrong with them"
. That is very offensive to parents with special needs kids.

.

Actually, what I said was: People are so quick to 'diagnose' kids with ADD, ADHD, Autism and everything else these days!! I can guarantee you, about 90% of the "diagnosed" kids have absolutely NOTHING wrong with them except a parent/doctor looking for an easy excuse

Okay, I may have exaggerated by saying 90% to make a point --- and my point is clearly defined in my post and a subsequent post that I made. My point was directed at the poster who automatically said the OP should look into autism or aspergers as a cause of an 8 month's old "issues", which is absolutely absurd if you read the OPs entire post and what she says about her nephew.

Why would it offend you if your child is "special needs". If you truly believe you have a "special needs" child and he has been diagnosed, receiving treatment, etc... then you have nothing to be offended about.

Now.... let's stop hijacking this thread. The OP's original question was:

This might not be the best place to post this, but thought someone might have some ideas.

My 8 month old nephew is constantly digging his feet together like they really itch, he makes them really red and sometimes scratches them with his toenails. What could possibly be wrong with them?

He also has started pulling his hair for no apparent reason (not all the time maybe 1-2 times a day we have saw him do it), and he screams out all the time. He is really intelligent has been trying to walk for over a month now, jabbering and speaking words to. I do know he is spoiled rotten so that could just be why he screams. What is your opinion? Do you think any of these things are related.



Can we PLEASE stay on topic, post our thoughts or contributions to THIS issue and stop with the hijacking and attacks?

Thank you.

mckinley
07-30-2009, 09:31 PM
Thanks for all the replys, didn't mean to cause an uproar. We don't think that he has any sort of Autisim, Adhd or anything like that. I know there alot of cases more and more these days though. We just couldn't imagine why he would be digging his feet together. But he does have an allergy to certain baby lotions so that might have something to do with it. And he has pulled everyones hair for months so that could be that he did discover he had hair so he is pulling his own now. I was holding him today and he pulled my hair and then said bad bad bad. So he just inall is spoiled rotten and we all just worry to much.

Blue.Fairy2
07-30-2009, 09:55 PM
Thanks for all the replys, didn't mean to cause an uproar. We don't think that he has any sort of Autisim, Adhd or anything like that. I know there alot of cases more and more these days though. We just couldn't imagine why he would be digging his feet together. But he does have an allergy to certain baby lotions so that might have something to do with it. And he has pulled everyones hair for months so that could be that he did discover he had hair so he is pulling his own now. I was holding him today and he pulled my hair and then said bad bad bad. So he just inall is spoiled rotten and we all just worry to much.


Glad to hear he is ok.

disykat
07-31-2009, 12:28 AM
Can we PLEASE stay on topic, post our thoughts or contributions to THIS issue and stop with the hijacking and attacks?

Thank you.

Shall we assume that is an apology for starting the hijacking?;)

terri01p
07-31-2009, 03:08 AM
Oh boy this brings back memories, my dd use to put out hand fulls of hair, it's a wonder she ever had any. :rolleyes1 And the screaming, yeah at first it was cute and then it became crazy, for about a year we thought I had given birth to some sort of animal. The feet thing sure does sound like allergies to me?????

buzz5985
07-31-2009, 04:24 AM
You are right. I work with birth-3 yr olds and we do advocate kids get evaluated and diagnosed prior to 3 when there are clearly issues. The wait lists for evals are often long and provisional diagnosis is no longer enough to get services. While it doesn't seem rare from my perspective, I work with special needs kids and my perspective is a bit skewed.

My friends little boy was diagnosed with PDD at the age of 2 - he received early intervention.. Because of that early intervention he is now a thriving 12 yo that is in regular classrooms, plays football, has friends - still has some speech issues - but overall he is doing great. My friend was lucky to have a Pediatrician that was on the ball, and picked right up on her concerns. It also helps to live in a state like MA that recognizes early intervention - and not the wait and see what happens until 4th grade states.

NYCDiane
07-31-2009, 05:44 AM
Shall we assume that is an apology for starting the hijacking?;)

No need to make an ASSumption, especially since it was not me who hijacked the thread. If you read the entire thread from the start, you will see I made a reply to the OP and to a subsequent poster. From there, it was all out "hijack" time on other posters' part.

No apologies from me.

BeckyScott
07-31-2009, 07:58 AM
Sometimes kids can react to things in a way that doesn't make sense, especially if they're so young that they don't fully understand what's making them feel bad, only that they do feel bad.

Which is to say, if the child is uncomfortable because of an allergy, they could possibly scratch their feet or pull their hair.

Since you do know about the lotion allergy, I'd look more in that direction. Both environmental and food allergies. Or, do you know the exact ingredient in the lotion that causes the reaction? Sometimes things show up in the wierdest places, and that same ingredient might be in something else besides the lotion that's being used in the house.

I had to go all "green" with the cleaning products, and I never use room sprays or any of that sort of thing. Not that I was trying to be green, but there were so many ingredients in most of 'em that I got tired of reading the labels. There is so much stuff hidden in products, the more labels of things that you read, the freakier it gets.

As for the other "topic", DS went into early intervention at 18 months and was officially diagnosed at 2 1/2. (took us that long to get in for the eval) Early intervention is so important, he's come so far and I know that getting him early was key. While it might be controversial, he was showing such obvious signs at 18 mos-2 years that I don't believe it was a premature diagnosis at all. Some kids won't show the signs until later but he had every sign, consistently, as early as 18 months, earlier really but I wasn't even looking for it. With my son when I look back, there were some signs almost from birth. I know that doesn't always happen, but sometimes it does, that's a whole nother issue/debate. In those cases... well I just have to look at it and think... if we had known at 8 months and started therapy then... the progress he's made now if we'd had another year... you know what I mean.