More Fastpass 2.0 Info

[marius97]

I have only partially followed some of the "new" fastpass rumor threads, so I apologize if some of this has already been posted. DW just finished a WDW survey about what we'd be willing to pay for our next trip to the world. It had the basic scenarios of different base ticket prices with different option prices. (I realize that this was just a survey, but Disney would only ask questions about ideas that they are at least thinking about implementing. We'll see what happens in the future.) Here is what I found noteworthy:
-All the base ticket options gave you three fastpasses per day. You could reserve them online in advance or at the park. It sounds like that is all you could get though. More attractions would be apart of Fastpass...including SHOWS, PARADES, and FIREWORKS. (I hadn't heard that rumor before.)
-All tickets would be on a wristband that would be like the KTTW card. That would hold tickets, fastpasses, money
-They had an option that cost between $75-125 depending on the scenario that you could add various packages. Some things included having access to all photopass pictures, ride pictures, ride scores, all on the wristband. You would OWN THE PICTURES and not have to pay more for them. They could also be interactive with some rides/attractions where they would know who you were and what your scores have been. Also characters would interact with the kids by knowing their name, and things of note...i.e. Pirate Jack would know how you are progressing in a pirate game. You would also get 2-4 more fastpasses per day with this option.
-Lines would be turned into interactive areas with games to play, i.e. Dumbo's circus arcade. (this may fit in with the rumored Fantasyland remodel.)

What are your guys thoughts on these? As a family of five, I would find it hard to justify a $75+ add on where all you get is a few extra fast passes and the ability to interact in a cool way with characters/attractions. The price was like a park hopper...$75 one time fee, not per day.

[Padrepride]

This is getting ridiculous. Raising prices for features that are currently free in a recession is a pretty bad idea. It seems like Disney is turning into a fair and maybe they should just go back to selling individual tickets for each ride.

[jlewisinsyr]

This is getting ridiculous. Raising prices for features that are currently free in a recession is a pretty bad idea. It seems like Disney is turning into a fair and maybe they should just go back to selling individual tickets for each ride.

Actually if its marketed well, its easy to do and is a wise business move. Think about it, the items are low cost to operate, can be rolled into a package price and be invisible to guests who won't sacrafice their vacation over a $75 - $100 a person (I know I wouldn't).

That said the survey's are there to see if the market would support a drastic change to the format of operations. Disney like all businesses is looking to expand its revenue and profit and tweaking their method of delivery their product is a great way to do it without killing their business.

[kmk1180]

I agree it would be a good business idea as long as it was optional.
personally I don' see our family spending on it.

As for the other options, if they include fast passes with your package reservation that would be cool. avoid waiting in lines and waiting for them to expire..just use them when you want them when they are gone they are gone.
As long as it's not based on how much you spend.
People who visit from in a value should be treated equal to those paying to stay in a deluxe.
In other words, how much you spend shouldn't determine how you are treated.

[marius97]

I don't mind them tweaking the fastpass, all business change at times, but personally, I don't like the idea that you can't get additional fastpasses in the park. I don't think that people who bust there butts running all over the park to get fastpasses should be penalized in any new system...and I am not one of those people that plan my day around what fastpasses I can get.

I also didn't think that there was enough value in what was offered in the survey. $75-125 for 2-4 more fastpasses and the opportunity to have cool interactions with characters that know your names already and things happening during rides...just isn't enough. I would want more like 7-10 fastpasses for $100. I could probably justify that.

[jlewisinsyr]

...In other words, how much you spend shouldn't determine how you are treated.


But you already are in many, many ways.

[marius97]

As long as it's not based on how much you spend.
People who visit from in a value should be treated equal to those paying to stay in a deluxe.
In other words, how much you spend shouldn't determine how you are treated.

As far as this survey went, there was nothing in regards to staying on property. These options were for any MYW ticket.

[jade1]

I would want more like 7-10 fastpasses for $100. I could probably justify that.

Do you think they mean total for a trip, or 2-4 additional each day and each person? If it is 3 up front per day and per person-that may be plenty. If it jumps to 5 to 7 per day per person, for app $100 ea for the whole week for ex, thats not super bad IMO. For a week stay thats about $15 a day each or $4 per pass (might be handy for Fantasmic). Tough call, obviously folks with cash will do it.

[ShellyLynn3630]

I am so glad we get to go when we don't need a fast pass.

[yitbos96bb]

Yeah... I'm not sure its a good idea to put a kid's easily seen name on anything.


I have only partially followed some of the "new" fastpass rumor threads, so I apologize if some of this has already been posted. DW just finished a WDW survey about what we'd be willing to pay for our next trip to the world. It had the basic scenarios of different base ticket prices with different option prices. (I realize that this was just a survey, but Disney would only ask questions about ideas that they are at least thinking about implementing. We'll see what happens in the future.) Here is what I found noteworthy:
-All the base ticket options gave you three fastpasses per day. You could reserve them online in advance or at the park. It sounds like that is all you could get though. More attractions would be apart of Fastpass...including SHOWS, PARADES, and FIREWORKS. (I hadn't heard that rumor before.)
-All tickets would be on a wristband that would be like the KTTW card. That would hold tickets, fastpasses, money
-They had an option that cost between $75-125 depending on the scenario that you could add various packages. Some things included having access to all photopass pictures, ride pictures, ride scores, all on the wristband. You would OWN THE PICTURES and not have to pay more for them. They could also be interactive with some rides/attractions where they would know who you were and what your scores have been. Also characters would interact with the kids by knowing their name, and things of note...i.e. Pirate Jack would know how you are progressing in a pirate game. You would also get 2-4 more fastpasses per day with this option.
-Lines would be turned into interactive areas with games to play, i.e. Dumbo's circus arcade. (this may fit in with the rumored Fantasyland remodel.)

What are your guys thoughts on these? As a family of five, I would find it hard to justify a $75+ add on where all you get is a few extra fast passes and the ability to interact in a cool way with characters/attractions. The price was like a park hopper...$75 one time fee, not per day.

[anthony2k7]

wow these changes have such potential to be contraversial.

Firstly, the suggestion that value guests should be treated the same. Nope! dont agree with that. If you pay more, you should get more. Thats how life works, and certainly how everything else at disney works currently. It will be like free dining - values get the CS version, whilst mods and up get the full deal. For fast passes its a no brainer for disney - they get to make paying more for a deluxe resort much more appealing without it actually costing disney any more.

The problem disney have is putting enough spin on it to make it appealing all year around. On trip last september we didnt bother with getting any Fast Passes at all. The only rides where they may have been of use really were soaring and toy store mania, except they go so quick on these rides anyway!

A few things with this new system are intriguing currently for me. Firstly, how will they allocate the actual time slots? Still first come first served? If so I can imagine a fast pass phone line being like the ADR one where people feel they must phone within minutes of the day they want opening to get an early time slot.

Another thing is how they plan on using fast passes for fireworks. Easily done for fantasmic maybe (allocate a few rows in the center) but what are they going to do for Wishes and Illuminations? Potentially it could get to the point where fast passes are a must have for Wishes depending on what location and the size of it they reserve. Bit worrying.

My comments should maybe bear in mind that I'm from the UK, where apparently our trips to WDW are generally for a minimum of 2 weeks where as most USA visitors apparently visit for shorter times - and so fast passes may be more critical for USA visitors?

[ilovethisplace]

So when I told you all this stuff six weeks ago I was totally off my nut, right. :confused3

[wtrmlnlabs]

As long as we're talking optional, they can do whatever they want! It'd stink for most people if they took the in park fast passes away, but we only go on down times, so we really don't use them. As for making it $75-$100 more per person and it not matter, sorry if I'm offending but for many it does matter. I'm not wealthy by any means, I'm happy to stay at a value resort, all we do is sleep there, if it means I can go. I just changed my full service free dinning to quick service free dinning with no price difference (I know, everyone thinks I'm crazy!) to make our days easier. I'm sure if you are only going once, period, it won't matter, but we have been 3 times in 2 years and will go more if we keep the price close to where it is now. Making it another $400 would end our trips.

[anthony2k7]

So when I told you all this stuff six weeks ago I was totally off my nut, right. :confused3

Yeah but you said that the current fast pass system (in that you go to a machine and put your ticket in to get a FP out) would disappear entirely. This doesnt seem to be the case with the latest rumours - especially with the centralised AK FP distribution point.

[marius97]

This particular survey was doing 3 fastpasses per day of your MYW ticket. Then you had the option of the add on feature that would have been 2-4 additional fastpasses per day depending on the program Disney went with. The survey had eight different possibilities and asked which ones we'd be apt to buy into. They varied in price of MYW tickets and price/number of add ons in this new option.

Do you think they mean total for a trip, or 2-4 additional each day and each person? If it is 3 up front per day and per person-that may be plenty. If it jumps to 5 to 7 per day per person, for app $100 ea for the whole week for ex, thats not super bad IMO. For a week stay thats about $15 a day each or $4 per pass (might be handy for Fantasmic). Tough call, obviously folks with cash will do it.

[marius97]

wow these changes have such potential to be contraversial.

Firstly, the suggestion that value guests should be treated the same. Nope! dont agree with that. If you pay more, you should get more. Thats how life works, and certainly how everything else at disney works currently. It will be like free dining - values get the CS version, whilst mods and up get the full deal. For fast passes its a no brainer for disney - they get to make paying more for a deluxe resort much more appealing without it actually costing disney any more.


Actually, with this particular survey, resorts were not involved (this may be because DW said that as a family of 5, we'd never try to cram ourselves into a small room or pay the price for one of the few big rooms or two rooms).

I was a bit suprised that there was no question about more fastpasses based on length of MYW ticket. I only go for a day or two at a time. I would think that they would want to encourage longer stays by giving more stuff out.

[marius97]

The newly worked fastpasses seem to be the most hotly talked about item in this survey. What about some of the other things mentioned? Does a character knowing your name when you walk up, being able to keep track of scores on various attractions and characters being able to reference your scores; do those things sound like something that would be worth paying extra for?

[jade1]

I am so glad we get to go when we don't need a fast pass.

Could you elaborate on this? Just curious on your habits such as what attractions you go to (if any) and what the wait times are, do you go all day, early am's or evening etc. And what time of year you are talking about. We may squeeze a trip in Sept-have never been then. TIA.

[ilovethisplace]

Well it seems that marius97 and I took the same survey and since he's spilled the beans I guess I can elaborate on the stuff that was discussed. Everything is controlled by this bracelet that you will wear on your wrist. You can use it as your room key, for charging and it will store your FP info. It also stores the stuff mentioned above like your child's name and scores from various rides. Apparently now when you visit face characters they will be able to address you by name due to the fact that you are wearing the bracelet. I also saw the item about Dumbo's circus arcade, where you and your kids can mess around while you wait to board the Dumbo instead of just waiting in line.

Yeah but you said that the current fast pass system (in that you go to a machine and put your ticket in to get a FP out) would disappear entirely. This doesnt seem to be the case with the latest rumours - especially with the centralised AK FP distribution point.

I specifically asked if this new FP system would be in addition to the current system and they said the current FP system would cease to exist.

[dseth]

Yeah but you said that the current fast pass system (in that you go to a machine and put your ticket in to get a FP out) would disappear entirely. This doesnt seem to be the case with the latest rumours - especially with the centralised AK FP distribution point.

that is true as well - all of that as information that was shared by the Disney reps. The machines would go away from outside the actual attractions. They said that would decrease on manpower along with the cost of maintaining the machines. Everything he shared with you I can validate as well. While I disagree with them charging for anything additional, there are many perks to this new system. You just have to be willing to spend a fair amount of time planning your vacation. It's not for people that like to just travel by the "seat of their pants";)

[jade1]

The only rides where they may have been of use really were soaring and toy store mania, except they go so quick on these rides anyway!

But it would be nice to get these ahead of time for the exact reason you say-they go so quick. Is it right to penalize folks that stay out late and therefore arrive late? Or is right to give everyone an even chance ahead of time? Plus you are saying even in slow months-some rides do still need a FP.

Firstly, how will they allocate the actual time slots? Still first come first served? If so I can imagine a fast pass phone line being like the ADR one where people feel they must phone within minutes of the day they want opening to get an early time slot.

That's also what I'm wondering. Is at 30 days out at 8AM you can jump online and start selecting day by day? Will you pick a day-pick a park-pick a ride-then pick either a morning (opening to 1PM), an afternoon (12PM to 6PM), or an evening (5PM to closing) and just come back any time between an assume the crowds will even things out? Or will it be a minute by minute thing? Take some pretty good/secure software for that to work.

Another thing is how they plan on using fast passes for fireworks. Easily done for fantasmic maybe (allocate a few rows in the center) but what are they going to do for Wishes and Illuminations? Potentially it could get to the point where fast passes are a must have for Wishes depending on what location and the size of it they reserve. Bit worrying.


I cant see needing them for Spectro/Wishes/Illuminations-you can stand anywhere for those.

[wajones1903]

I guess I'm crazy because I'd rather them just make fastpasses available to resort guests. Either that or let resort guests have them for "free" (we all know they'd just raise room rates) and make them available to buy for offsite guests. I also think delux and moderate guests should get more then value resort guests. You are actually paying more. I am kind of a snob though.

[epcot.girl]

I wonder how this will work for UK visitors, as we have different ticket options than US visitors.

[Goopy]

I also think delux and moderate guests should get more then value resort guests. You are actually paying more. I am kind of a snob though.


They do, Its called better accomodations. You pay for what you get.

Im starting to think the easiest thing to do would be just to get rid of the whole fass pass idea and just make everyone stand in line together.

[epcot.girl]

I also think delux and moderate guests should get more then value resort guests. You are actually paying more. I am kind of a snob though.

Someone staying at ASMu for 15 nights is paying more than someone staying at GF for 3 nights - and consider amount spent on food on top of that.

[jade1]

Im starting to think the easiest thing to do would be just to get rid of the whole fass pass idea and just make everyone stand in line together.

Maybe, but eliminating ADR's for dining would be easier as well, just wait in line where you want to eat-I don't see that happening.

[jade1]

Someone staying at ASMu for 15 nights is paying more than someone staying at GF for 3 nights - and consider amount spent on food on top of that.

Actually its about the same (except food). Plus Disney can then rent the GF room for the next 12 nights after checkout (it wont sit empty) charging around $10,000 for the GF (and selling food) and maybe $2,000 for the ASMu.


It may never get tied to the room category though, maybe just the pass right?

[epcot.girl]

Actually its about the same (except food).

Yes, it's only about $100 difference - I would have chosen 14 nights (because that's probably the average length of stay for a UK visitor) but then I wouldn't have been able to say that it cost more! :rotfl: :goodvibes

[anthony2k7]

They do, Its called better accomodations. You pay for what you get.

Im starting to think the easiest thing to do would be just to get rid of the whole fass pass idea and just make everyone stand in line together.

but they're not going to do that because as many have said, the whole point of fast pass is that the less time people are in line means the more time they're buying food or merchandise - and if they can charge you for the privilage of having time to spend money then all the better from disneys point of view!

[anthony2k7]

I guess I'm crazy because I'd rather them just make fastpasses available to resort guests. Either that or let resort guests have them for "free" (we all know they'd just raise room rates) and make them available to buy for offsite guests. I also think delux and moderate guests should get more then value resort guests. You are actually paying more. I am kind of a snob though.

and the kind of people who can afford GF are the kind of people disney dont want standing in lines for most of their day because they're more likely to have more money to spend in shops!

IF they did give different amounts free depending on resort level then I wonder how many levels they would use? club level more than normal? DVC more than club? what about AP people?

There is clear logic for disney wanting DVC/club level guests to not be stood in lines at all so maybe give them unlimited fast passes?

[agnes!]

I wonder how they will incorporate AP-holders into this apparently-being-studied new system...

agnes!

[FigNewton]

More FP 2.0 rumors from "surveys" that apparently people aren't supposed to talk about? :rotfl2:

[jade1]

I wonder how they will incorporate AP-holders into this apparently-being-studied new system...

agnes!

That is a great question. I could see it relate to onsite stays (res #), but what about off site or locals? At what point would they have the green light to obtain passes?

[marius97]

Offsite wouldn't be an issue if they used this system. Fastpasses were a part of the MYW base tickets, so everyone would get at least three. I don't know how they'd handle annual pass holders though.

That is a great question. I could see it relate to onsite stays (res #), but what about off site or locals? At what point would they have the green light to obtain passes?

[marius97]

More FP 2.0 rumors from "surveys" that apparently people aren't supposed to talk about? :rotfl2:

We're all clear to talk about it...DW took the survey so her lips are sealed. I didn't take a survey, so I'm not bound by any non-disclosure that may have been in the survey. I just looked over her shoulder.;)

[rodkenrich]

Actually if its marketed well, its easy to do and is a wise business move. Think about it, the items are low cost to operate, can be rolled into a package price and be invisible to guests who won't sacrafice their vacation over a $75 - $100 a person (I know I wouldn't).

That said the survey's are there to see if the market would support a drastic change to the format of operations. Disney like all businesses is looking to expand its revenue and profit and tweaking their method of delivery their product is a great way to do it without killing their business. I agree.

[Condorman]

Everyone seems bothered by the class distinction issues and the extra fee charges.

My problem is with the wristband itself. Clearly it would have some sort of microchip or barcode that would be scanned by machines, a la Tom Cruise in Minority Report (as if that weren't scary enough). However, are the wristbands detachable, and if so, what's to keep you from loaning it to a friend or family member who didn't pay or sign up for the perks? If it's not detachable, do you have to sleep and shower with it throughout your vacation? If they give you one per day, see problem #1. Are they expecting us to have a KTTW card AND a wristband? Disney is overthinking this. They want to make more money, fine. I get that. Keep it simple, on the KTTW card, charge $75-100 more per person, per stay, and give them a DreamPass and seating preference at all shows and fireworks. End of story.

Face characters reading the name on the wristband? Great, now they'll be forced to grab a child's wrist and flip it around instead of magically asking "What's your name, princess?"

Charging things to your wristband? Yeah, we already have that feature on cards, geniuses.

Reserving FPs in advance? As a PP already stated, this would create havoc online or on the phone lines.

C'mon, Disney, wake up. Just wait until somebody wants the features and pays for them only to complain about a skin condition that prevents them from wearing the wristband. You know this will happen. What will be the alternative? Disney will be sued and have to think of a Plan B, which will bring us right back to a new survey. :)

[DisneyCowgirl]

OMG! I don't want to wear a wristband because it will mess up all my pictures!

[Colleen27]

I really like the idea of reserving fastpasses in advance. We're not morning people, and on one trip we actually ended up skipping Soarin' because by the time we got to the park all the fastpasses were gone and we weren't going to wait an hour in the standby line. I anticipate the same thing happening with Toy Story Mania on our next trip. Reserving fastpasses in advance would let us get them without the mad rope drop dash.

As far as the upcharge add on, it would depend upon what is included and how it is priced. $75+ per person for the photopass shots we can buy the copyright to for $100 by ordering the CD and a couple extra fastpasses? No thanks, not for this family. But if they expand the functionality or drop the price a bit, it might be something I'd consider.

Games in the queues sounds like a good idea, so long as we're not talking about making waiting areas into themed arcades that guests would have to pay extra to play. I can't imagine many parents would be happy with Disney setting up a situation where the kids nag for quarters/tokens the entire time they're in line for an attraction! But something more along the lines of some of the Innoventions attractions or the little game on the way down from SSE would be a cool way to pass the time.

Wristbands, though? Why mess with something that isn't broken? I would HATE wearing a wristband all day in the sticky FL heat, not to mention the potential hassles of swimming, waterparking, and showering with it on. Why not just code the same information into an upgraded KTTW and keep it in card format?

[jade1]

Offsite wouldn't be an issue if they used this system. Fastpasses were a part of the MYW base tickets, so everyone would get at least three. I don't know how they'd handle annual pass holders though...

Yea I got that part, I was referring to AP holders, off site and locals. I see you don't know either-seems like a big question right? I can picture an AP holder calling WDW and saying they will be down in a month for 1 week at the Hilton-so do they just believe them and give them access to the 3 FP website? I guess if they didn't show up, the lines would just move faster. Same as an onsite guest not showing up I guess, or a local AP holder. :confused3

[ilovethisplace]

When I heard about the characters knowing your name I assumed that there was some sort of reader that would get the info from the wrist band and some how deliver that info to the character, perhaps a small screen or even through an ear piece. Because in the video I saw (it has been a while now) I believe Cinderella is calling a young girl by name as she approaches from a distance. The wristbands didn't have any names or anything written on them. It almost looked like a watch but instead of the timepiece being on top it was a character face that I assume has a chip imbedded in it. It really didn't give me the "Orwellian" vibe others may get since it is vacation, not every day life but all I could think was if you lost this thing you'd be screwed. I was also thinking of the restaurants where they are testing out the self-serve kiosks (Pecos Bills comes to mind) and this wrist band seems like an interesting compliment to this system. Order your food and then wave your band to pay, then walk up to the counter and get your food. It seems to streamline the whole thing plus how many ca$t member$ could this save?

[anthony2k7]

Sounds like they're talking about using RFID in the wrist bands.

I too dont understand the point in using a wristband instead of just adding it to the KTTW card. Unless they're assuming that in groups each person doesnt necessarily keep their own KTTW card on them (kids hand them back to their parents etc).

I personally assume this means they're considering getting rid of the KTTW card and replacing them with a wristband instead - if so thats going to be a massive project as it will I assume include replacing all the locks in all the resort hotel rooms as well to use RFID instead of barcodes.

It would certainly give them some interesting options by doing this - photopass is one thing that immediately comes to mind. Monitoring guest flow trends would be highly useful for Disney from this. Also ride wait times.

Also though, I'm sure I read recently that they only just stopped issuing wristbands for EMH? Odd that they've just got rid of them and now are thinking of bringing in another kind of wristband.

[anthony2k7]

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Yea I got that part, I was referring to AP holders, off site and locals. I see you don't know either-seems like a big question right? I can picture an AP holder calling WDW and saying they will be down in a month for 1 week at the Hilton-so do they just believe them and give them access to the 3 FP website? I guess if they didn't show up, the lines would just move faster. Same as an onsite guest not showing up I guess, or a local AP holder. :confused3

AP and offsite would be easy if the wristband is to replace the normal KTTW/MYW park ticket.

They'd either issue AP holders a wristband (more substantial than normal ones and removable?) or at the start of each trip the AP holder would have to go to a kiosk to pick up a wristband and have it associated to the AP.

[jade1]

AP and offsite would be easy if the wristband is to replace the normal KTTW/MYW park ticket.

They'd either issue AP holders a wristband (more substantial than normal ones and removable?) or at the start of each trip the AP holder would have to go to a kiosk to pick up a wristband and have it associated to the AP.

That makes sense, but I still can't picture at what point would an AP holder that lives in Orlando, gain access to the FP website to schedule passes? I guess they could simply check everyday at 30 days out (if that's the window), grab for example RNR, TOT and TSM. Then decide later if they are actually going to go that day or not? If they like to visit on weekends for example (not every weekend), they could literally pre schedule every sat/sun throughout the year-whether they really planned to go or not, then just have these passes available at all times? :confused3 I dont mean to pick on the locals-its just one example of confusion to me, sorry.

If a guest is staying onsite-there is a much greater chance of them actually showing up and using the prescheduled FP's IMO. Plus they would need to cancel the ressie if they are not going to show up-and all FP's could go back into the system as available-even if just the night before.

[rie'smom]

Here's an article on possible Fantasyland changes and FP changes. Basically, if you stay on property, you can have FPs. The # depends on the length of your stay.
Off property, live nearby and don't stay onsite-tough. AP holder? You might be out of luck too. DVC member-maybe passes and maybe not. Anyway, read on(it's after the Fantasyland changes article)
http://miceage.micechat.com/kevinyee/ky072109a.htm

[jade1]

Here's an article on possible Fantasyland changes and FP changes. Basically, if you stay on property, you can have FPs. The # depends on the length of your stay.
Off property, live nearby and don't stay onsite-tough. AP holder? You might be out of luck too. DVC member-maybe passes and maybe not. Anyway, read on(it's after the Fantasyland changes article)
http://miceage.micechat.com/kevinyee/ky072109a.htm

"Yet more twists: the amount of FP tickets you get per day is dependent on how long your vacation is. If you’re only staying a few days at a Disney resort, then you’d only earn a couple FP tickets per day. If your vacation is longer, you’d get more per day. This would function to reward those who take longer vacations with Disney (you can see why they’d want to encourage that!)

People staying at hotels off Disney property would not get any. Locals who live close enough to need no hotels would also get none. The rumor is silent about annual passholders, but one assumes they would also get none, unless they are in hotels. It would be a nice gesture if non-hotel passholders could get a single FP per day, though… otherwise, they risk annoying a very core audience. Ditto for the DVC crowd, which is populous, has big pockets, and has already spent a ton of money at Disney and doesn’t want to get shafted now."


Interesting reading. Kind of what I was wondering-with an onsite hotel reservation, it would be a good bet you would show up for sure. I would think DVC would be an onsite hotel ressie as well-who knows. But it would be a negative effect on DVC sales if they didn't qualify.

[rie'smom]

I agree. Why would anyone spend $$$$$$ for DVC when they couldn't get FPs. We own and I can tell you that I'll be ticked off if this would happen.

[marius97]

Here's an article on possible Fantasyland changes and FP changes. Basically, if you stay on property, you can have FPs. The # depends on the length of your stay.
Off property, live nearby and don't stay onsite-tough. AP holder? You might be out of luck too. DVC member-maybe passes and maybe not. Anyway, read on(it's after the Fantasyland changes article)
http://miceage.micechat.com/kevinyee/ky072109a.htm

Here is the problem with all of these discussions...and as the OP, I am critisizing my own post...is that they are based off of surveys. Both mine and the one linked to in a previous post are surveys done about a different aspect. My survey specifically said that ALL MYW tickets will get three fastpasses and then you could pay extra for more passes and experiences...this still would leave the AP, DVC people as a question though. Just speculation on my part, I had not seen my survey mentioned before. Maybe Disney floated the first survey about no fastpasses for offsite people and saw a horrible reaction. I had the same reaction. As a family of five, we will never stay onsite...at least until the kids leave, then Grand Floridian here we come.:cool1: After seeing the bad reaction to no fastpasses, maybe they changed their survey to another form to see if they get a better reaction.

[VAN]

I don't see what is wrong with the FP system now!! Leave it alone!!

[rie'smom]

Here is the problem with all of these discussions...and as the OP, I am critisizing my own post...is that they are based off of surveys. Both mine and the one linked to in a previous post are surveys done about a different aspect. My survey specifically said that ALL MYW tickets will get three fastpasses and then you could pay extra for more passes and experiences...this still would leave the AP, DVC people as a question though. Just speculation on my part, I had not seen my survey mentioned before. Maybe Disney floated the first survey about no fastpasses for offsite people and saw a horrible reaction. I had the same reaction. As a family of five, we will never stay onsite...at least until the kids leave, then Grand Floridian here we come.:cool1: After seeing the bad reaction to no fastpasses, maybe they changed their survey to another form to see if they get a better reaction.

I know this isn't popular but I would pay for FPs. In April, we took a private tour with unlimited FPS-it cost over $2000 for 1 day! I must have lost my mind that day but it was so nice and we got so much done but that was once in a lifetime. Now, I'm not saying it should cost near that but if the option was there as an add on for a reasonable amount of money, :yay:.

Universal is a different experience BUT the unlimited FOTL is what has made it our favorite theme park. It's so relaxing to sleep in and still get to do the things we like. It feels like a vacation.

Disney, as much as we have loved it, has become a chore-the planning, the getting up at dawn, the ADRs,etc. If they could revamp the system to make it more guest friendly, I'm all for it.