THE iphone quote of the Centry - Updated 07-10-09 - Post #30 [Archive] - The DIS Discussion Forums

wdwowner

07-08-2009, 09:04 AM

From Twitter: RT @siouxzenkang: "I can't believe Steve Jobs's liver is replaceable but the battery in my iPhone is not."

:rotfl2::rotfl2::rotfl2::rotfl2:

A pretty sad commentary on Apple and the way it treats its loyal fans.
One way of getting them to fork out $500 every year for a new phone when a simple replaceable battery is all that is needed. Instead of trying to be 'green' the only thing Apple wants is your yearly hard earned 'greens'.

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And now the perfect iPhone editorial
http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/10/editorial-taking-the-iphone-3gs-off-the-job-market/

HappyGrumpy

07-08-2009, 09:29 AM

The quote is very funny!!:rotfl2:

Keep in mind the following:

Phones comes with a one year manufactures warranty. This does not include accidents such as liquid damage. You can extend the manufactures warranty for $69. The only time they I have seen accidents covered is either the cc used has a incentive for electronics or the person has a 3rd party insurance for accidents.

When a phone/ipod is replaced for a manufactures defect i.e battery they don't replace parts they replace units and as long as no other"accidental" damage contributed to the demise of the battery.

This is why it is very important to make sure you back up your phone once a week in the event that they replace the unit you take it home and sync your info back to the new unit. Don't forget that you will need an appointment
at the Genius bar so plan accordingly!

So Apple will take care of the customer and "replace" batteries and not charge $500:thumbsup2

Have a great day!

wdwowner

07-08-2009, 09:36 AM

Don't forget that you will need an appointment
at the Genius bar so plan accordingly!

Are you kidding me? Make an appointment? To change the battery? Really?

You are kidding, right?

HappyGrumpy

07-08-2009, 09:52 AM

Very Serious!

Do you walk into your Dr's office w/out an appointment?

Your item is sick and needs to be diagnosed and treated accordingly.

It allows you to have an enriched experience at an Apple store!

You only need the apt for technical support not to shop, so you should take some time to visit one the next time you have the opportunity! :cool1:

wdwowner

07-08-2009, 10:05 AM

It's a flippin cell phone!! It's not brain surgery!

Wow, Apple really has you brainwashed for sure.

HappyGrumpy

07-08-2009, 10:12 AM

"Brainwashing" is not official until I visit the Mother Ship!:thumbsup2

Until then I will let Disney do the "brainwashing"!:rotfl:

Have a good one!

luke

07-08-2009, 10:29 AM

A pretty sad commentary on Apple and the way it treats its loyal fans.
One way of getting them to fork out $500 every year for a new phone when a simple replaceable battery is all that is needed.

Say whaaaatt?
It costs £55 to get the battery replaced, which is about $80 ish

:goodvibes

DisneyKevin

07-08-2009, 01:43 PM

DisneyKevin

07-08-2009, 01:49 PM

I just bought a new Canon camera with a rechargeable battery.

If I want to have a spare battery, it's $60 bucks.

On top of that, I have to pay shipping and wait for it to be delivered.

DisneyKevin

07-08-2009, 01:52 PM

luke

07-08-2009, 01:56 PM

Dear me Kevin, you need to stop letting these companies brainwash you!
Next you'll be saying you need to replace your Disney passes every year!!

:goodvibes

wdwowner

07-08-2009, 02:05 PM

Kevin, for a car to change a battery is the correct thing to do. But to try and compare a car to a cell phone, no way. Unless you have one of those apps that will sprout wheels and an engine and can run off of the iFart program.

But for a cell phone, to change the battery, come on.
Every other cell phone you can pop the back off and put in a different battery as needed. And for business people they may need to change batteries during the day. This is the biggest reason the iphone will be OK for personal use but that is it. You can't do business if the battery is dead at 1pm and you still have 4+ hours of travel and work.

But then again, iphone users will pay for any app available, even one that makes them sound like they are breaking wind. Mr Jobs is laughing at the iphone users all the way to the bank, and transplant center of his choice.

And before anyone says anything about the transplant, until you have donated a kidney or part of you liver to save someone, as I did almost 12 years ago, don't say a thing. He did get a liver in a short waiting time, I know people who have been waiting much longer than he did. Hmmmm.......

luke

07-08-2009, 02:10 PM

Wow if people like something you don't (or dislike something you do), you like to let rip don't you ;)

:goodvibes

wdwowner

07-08-2009, 02:11 PM

I have a Kindle from Amazon.

Like the iPhone, it too has a rechargeable battery.

In the event that the battery stops taking a charge and has to be replaced, I have to send the Kindle back to Amazon at my cost.

They will replace the battery or send me a refurbished Kindle AND I have to pay for this.

More brainwashing.

And for my Blackberry I purchased an extra battery, slid the back off, replaced the battery in 5 seconds. No sending in, no appointments, no going without for a week or more. Maybe I am brainwashed to believe there are correct ways to build devices, than there is the Steve Jobs 'You will do as I tell you to do things my way' devices. Sad....

DisneyKevin

07-08-2009, 02:18 PM

This is another one of those situations where I think all you want to do is argue about something that really has no bearing on anything.

As long as you are happy with your Blackberry, I'm not sure why this bothers you.

It sounds like you dont want or need an iPhone.

I'm not sure I see the reason for belittling those that like their choice.

And yes....using the term "brainwashing" is belittling people's right to make a choice that's right for them.

In all honesty....I think this was just a reason to talk about Steve Job's liver transplant.

As you can clearly see...no one has mentioned it but you.

Please keep this conversation polite and pleasant.

Thanks.

jcb

07-08-2009, 03:36 PM

Wow if people like something you don't (or dislike something you do), you like to let rip don't you ;)

:goodvibes

Coming after the phrase, "one that makes them sound like they are breaking wind", this choice of phrase was pure genius!

I stand in awe.

luke

07-08-2009, 03:38 PM

Coming after the phrase, "one that makes them sound like they are breaking wind", this choice of phrase was pure genius!

I stand in awe.

my punnery is not only at John Magi genius-like levels, but also thoroughly accidental :lmao:

:goodvibes

Michele

07-08-2009, 04:03 PM

It's a flippin cell phone!!

It's WAY more than a cell phone. Handheld computer with the option to use as a cell phone is a better description.

Blumonkeyboy

07-08-2009, 04:41 PM

This convo remindes me of the view...... lol ILL BE WHOOPIE!

Becx N Gav

07-08-2009, 05:49 PM

Jeez...

I drive a $25,000 car and its battery needs to be replaced every so often.

The battery costs over $100 and because I dont have the tools and / or knowledge....I take it someplace, buy the battery and have them install it.

I usually have to make an appointment to have this done.

I must be brainwashed too.

I just bought a new Canon camera with a rechargeable battery.

If I want to have a spare battery, it's $60 bucks.

On top of that, I have to pay shipping and wait for it to be delivered.

I have a Kindle from Amazon.

Like the iPhone, it too has a rechargeable battery.

In the event that the battery stops taking a charge and has to be replaced, I have to send the Kindle back to Amazon at my cost.

They will replace the battery or send me a refurbished Kindle AND I have to pay for this.

More brainwashing.

Hey Kevin, at least you don't have a Nintendo DS too - rechargeable battery :headache:

Kevin, for a car to change a battery is the correct thing to do. But to try and compare a car to a cell phone, no way. Unless you have one of those apps that will sprout wheels and an engine and can run off of the iFart program.

But for a cell phone, to change the battery, come on.
Every other cell phone you can pop the back off and put in a different battery as needed. And for business people they may need to change batteries during the day. This is the biggest reason the iphone will be OK for personal use but that is it. You can't do business if the battery is dead at 1pm and you still have 4+ hours of travel and work.

But then again, iphone users will pay for any app available, even one that makes them sound like they are breaking wind. Mr Jobs is laughing at the iphone users all the way to the bank, and transplant center of his choice.

And before anyone says anything about the transplant, until you have donated a kidney or part of you liver to save someone, as I did almost 12 years ago, don't say a thing. He did get a liver in a short waiting time, I know people who have been waiting much longer than he did. Hmmmm.......

You need a back-up battery (DH got one for his Dad ay MCO :thumbsup2) and it holds about one and a half times the iPhones normal charge - and you can easily charge this with a USB plug.

aspen37

07-08-2009, 05:55 PM

I am one of the Apple brainwashed! I love Apple products. I have an ipod, (well, not anymore. I lost it during the podcast cruise.:sad1: ) MacBook and I'm planning on getting an iphone. I have a Blackberry and I think it's Ok. Before I lost my ipod I had it for 3 years and had not needed the battery changed.
Now when I went to buy a computer I was going to buy the new Apple Air. The sales person talked me out of it. The Apple Air has an internal battery too. I live 200 miles from the closest apple store so the sales person told me not to spend my money on it. He was very helpful and we picked out a MacBook that was $500.00 less than the Air.
I know people who do not like Apple products but they don't belittle me for liking them. Having different taste is a good thing. That's what make the world interesting.

luke

07-08-2009, 06:12 PM

The thing is, I'm not apple brainwashed. The iPhone was my very first Apple product.
I have no plans to get a mac or iPod, but the iphone is simply the best phone out there, and none of the pretenders have come close during it's two year lifespan :)

:goodvibes

noladave

07-08-2009, 06:44 PM

I love my iphones (my 3gs, my 3g, and my wife's 3g), but honestly, Apple blew it on this one. How hard is it to make a replaceable battery. IN fact, they blew the whole insurance thing.

In case you haven't noticed, they said that recently the 3gs has all of $179 in parts COMBINED! So, it wouldn't be hard to charge $5 a month to get a replacement, or to fix, a broken Iphone. This whole thing of charging $500 for a Iphone that gets wet, or is dropped is just stupid.

Having ranted about that, I would never trade my iphone - there is nothing currently on the market that matches it.

Research firm iSuppli today announced the results of its teardown of the new 16 GB iPhone 3GS, estimating the device's parts cost at $172.46, with an additional $6.50 in manufacturing costs bringing the total cost to $178.96. The data compares to a total cost of $174.33 for the 8 GB iPhone 3G at its launch in July 2008.

BusinessWeek provides a full analysis of the iSuppli report, noting that Apple's flash memory costs have been adversely impacted by pricing increases precipitated by production cutbacks in response to economic conditions. While Apple previously relied on the ability to be able to double flash memory capacities at the same price point over models from the previous year, the recent fluctuations have resulted in Apple having to pay more in order to bump the iPhone 3GS's capacity to 16 and 32 GB.

iSuppli's teardown also reveals that Apple is using the same BCM4325 combination Wi-Fi/Bluetooth chip from Broadcom used in the second-generation iPod touch, resulting in a cost savings over the iPhone 3G, which had used two separate chips, a Wi-Fi chip from Marvell and a Bluetooth chip from CSR.

As always, iSuppli's cost estimates do not include software, research and development, distribution, and patent royalty costs. Consequently, Apple's true costs are considerably higher than the figures cited in these studies, leading Apple to sell the iPhone at price points hundreds of dollars above the manufacturing costs. Wireless carriers in turn offer subsidies to customers in exchange for signing multi-year contracts, bringing the final handset cost to the consumer back down to lower price points, such as the $199 price for the 16 GB iPhone 3GS in the U.S. on AT&T.

Alztybrn

07-08-2009, 10:04 PM

Honestly...the option of not being able to change the battery myself is keeping me from getting an Iphone. I would love to have one, but I need my phone from 7 am till 10pm while using it during the day. I have no time to charge it during the day, but do have time to have a second battery on a dock charger that I can easily change in the afternoon.

If the Iphone ever had this capability, I would have on in an instant.

Blumonkeyboy

07-08-2009, 10:38 PM

noladave

07-08-2009, 10:43 PM

There are definitely charging options for the iphone, but if the battery dies an early death, that doesn't help.

External, from Richard Solo:
http://richardsolo.com/iphone_and_ipod.html

Apple sells one that "encases" the iphone:
http://store.apple.com/us/product/TV809VC/A?fnode=MTY1NDA0MQ&mco=NTExODM4NA

aspen37

07-08-2009, 11:16 PM

How come it's $500.00 for the battery? The most expensive iphone is $300.00, and the cheapest is $99.00. Can't you just buy a new one?

noladave

07-08-2009, 11:27 PM

It's not $500 for a battery - the $500 comes into play if you break it, and they can't fix it. Or if you get it wet, and it quits working. There's no insurance option for any accidental breaks.

Most of the time, they can repair the Iphone, but at some point it's almost not worth it. I was in the apple store about 4 weeks ago, and a guy had demolished his LCD (dropped it), and they charged him $200 to replace that - the phone still worked, but the display was all messed up. So now the guy has to come up with $200, whereas if AT&T or Apple charged $5 a month insurance, it would be fixed - that's how most cellphones work.

As for the battery, they can fix that, but the vast majority of the time (if not all the time) they just swap it out - if you are under warranty. If you are past a year old, and didn't buy the apple care warranty, that's when the fun begins.

daneenm

07-09-2009, 01:45 AM

Normally I would just refrain from commenting, but you caught me on a really bad week...

You don't like the way the phone is engineered, don't buy it! Often, in order to engineer something really different, you have to think outside the box and perhaps structure it in such a way that it cannot be self-serviced by the general population. Is it a draw back - if you need more than that battery can offer you in a day I guess your answer is yes...for the millions who have bought them and are happy with them, I guess the answer is no. Apple's customer Sat ratings, BTW, are consistently through the roof, so I guess the 'loyal customers' are not feeling too put out.

Plain and simple, no one is forcing you to buy an iPhone, not sure why you even bring it up.

FireDancer

07-09-2009, 02:12 AM

The iPhone, much like most things, is one of many choices. Some people like Apple products and some don't. Like most opinions, neither is right or wrong, both are oppinions.

I won't purchase an iPhone not because I don't think they are a good product, but because I don't like the control Apple places over their products. For example, I want to buy apps for a phone that don't have to be approved by the manufacturer. I also won't buy an operating system that I can't put on any computer I want, regardless of who makes the hardware. This is my choice but I won't judge someone who buys an iPhone or Mac as wrong for doing so, it just isn't the way I want to spend my money.

There are many pros and many cons to any mobile OS. It the one that fits your needs best is the iPhone buy it. If the one that fits our needs best is Blackberry, Symbian, WebOS, Windows Mobile, or Android buy it.

This may all be a mot point anyway because the EU has presented legislation making it illegal to sell any product with a battery that can not be removed by the customer without voiding the warranty. If this passes Apple will not cut off their nose and not sell the phone in such a big market so a version will be made with a replaceable battery. If a replaceable battery is so important have all your EU friends write their EU representative.

wdwowner

07-10-2009, 03:46 PM

Perfect iPhone Editorial

http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/10/editorial-taking-the-iphone-3gs-off-the-job-market/

Yep, says it all.

DisneyKevin

07-10-2009, 03:55 PM

As someone that doesnt own or want to own an iPhone, what are you getting out of this?

Why are you determined to convince others to agree that the iPhone is bad?

I really dont understand the reasoning behind the negativity.

luke

07-10-2009, 04:27 PM

Really, why is it so hard for you to seemingly accept other peoples opinions?

:goodvibes

wdwowner

07-10-2009, 04:42 PM

Really, why is it so hard for you to seemingly accept other peoples opinions?

:goodvibes
Let's turn this right back at iphone users.

"Really, why is it so hard for you to seemingly accept other peoples opinions that the iphone is not good, and that people who don't have an iphone are bad?"

That is how Kevin and all iphone owners sound towards people who don't possess one. It is pretty belittling to people to keep hearing stuff like that.

DVCsince02

07-10-2009, 04:46 PM

How about this.... I don't care what anyone thinks of my phone. I am happy and that's all that matters.

Who wants cake?

Tonya2426

07-10-2009, 04:51 PM

How about this.... I don't care what anyone thinks of my phone. I am happy and that's all that matters.

Who wants cake?

http://i526.photobucket.com/albums/cc342/carly_smarticle/cake.gif

http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll36/b3cca080/Banners/Cake.jpg

luke

07-10-2009, 04:59 PM

http://i526.photobucket.com/albums/cc342/carly_smarticle/cake.gif

http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll36/b3cca080/Banners/Cake.jpg

:lmao: thank god you posted that, I nearly had a rant ;)

:goodvibes

DVCsince02

07-10-2009, 05:05 PM

You've been holding on to that one haven't you? Just waiting for the right cake moment...... ;)

Blumonkeyboy

07-10-2009, 05:15 PM

Tonya2426

07-10-2009, 05:15 PM

You've been holding on to that one haven't you? Just waiting for the right cake moment...... ;)

Actually, I just found it but am gonna hold on to it for future use. I makes me laugh everytime I see it. :rotfl2:

luke

07-10-2009, 05:20 PM

What Kevin and everyone else does to do with Iphones is merely playful teasing.PIE

Oh no, I'm not teasing, I actually think anyone without an iPhone is a bad person
:rolleyes1

:goodvibes

WebmasterPete

07-10-2009, 05:28 PM

People....don't feed the trolls!!

luke

07-10-2009, 05:33 PM

Sorry Pete, that was my first thought too, but sometimes I can't help myself.
Hope you and the team are doing ok at this time :)

:goodvibes

DisneyKevin

07-10-2009, 05:35 PM

Let's turn this right back at iphone users.

"Really, why is it so hard for you to seemingly accept other peoples opinions that the iphone is not good, and that people who don't have an iphone are bad?"

That is how Kevin and all iphone owners sound towards people who don't possess one. It is pretty belittling to people to keep hearing stuff like that.

I really dont understand you at all.

If you feel that our discussing the glories of the iPhone is belittling to you....get an iPhone or stop reading iPhone threads.

If you dont want an iPhone....dont get an iPhone.

No one has started a thread telling you that the Blackberry is a terrible phone.

Again...I have to ask what stake you have in convincing iPhone owners that that they have made a mistake.

If it's envy....go get an iPhone.

If you are trying to convince people that they have made a mistake, I think you are barking up the wrong tree.

If you are just looking to be negative.....well.....I'm not sure what to say.

As I said earlier.....I just dont understand your reasons.

HappyGrumpy

07-10-2009, 07:53 PM

It makes me sad when people who don't own an Apple product feel the need to be so hateful. I feel like PC from the TV commercial has started his own personal campaign on the Disboards!:rotfl:

k5jmh

07-10-2009, 09:36 PM

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a1/BeautifulNana/Comedy/closedminded.gif

Iphone/Ipod touch is a FreeBSD based device. The possiblities are endless. That device is faster and more powerful than computers that put us on the moon. They had to change batteries on those and scedule those with Techs. (and they used $240,000 screwdrivers on those). I have a BB and a touch and love both. No need to be closed minded!

TSWJan78

07-11-2009, 09:10 AM

I do not have an IPone and I know my fellow DISer still love me... RIght guys!!!

Oh and one other thing.. I work for an Organ Procrument Orgnization and i have 100% faith that Steve Jobs waited on the list for a long time we just did not know about it. I was in no way involved with is transplant but as a living donor WDWOwner I would hope you would help us all to promote Organ donation and help dispell rumors not start them. Thank god you and your wife were a match and I wish you both continued health however lots of people (Over 102,000) are still waiting for life saving organs and many people do not sign up to be donors directly due to rumors like this.

Ok.. I will have cake now!! Thanks

wishspirit

07-11-2009, 09:27 AM

I don't car one fig for any type of mobile phone. I have had mine for at least 4 years and I use it for occasional phoning or texting.... that's about it.

However I love the premise of an iphone, I just know that it is more than I can afford or ever will use. I like stealing other peoples iphones to check bus times etc, but I am more than happy (for now) with my silly old phone that is starting to die under the pressure of 4 years worth of work. I like other apple products for their usability, especially the ipod, which is a very easy and simple way of carrying around my music.

If you don't want one, don't have one, but don't put this on a personal level of a member of the companies health, I doubt you would want that said of your family or someone you care about whilst they were sick.

P.S I think putting yourself on the organ donation list is one of the best things a person can do. I have to bite my tongue when people say they won't because it is 'creepy'! :headache: Each to their own I guess!

Dale-Not-Chip

07-11-2009, 07:19 PM

I just don't get it.

When it come to devices I tend to purchase the one that bothers me less. All companies have problems. I don't own one electronic device that dosn't have something about it that just ticks me off sometimes.

I would love an IPhone. The Idea of the IPhone is super cool, but the things I dislike about them are deal breakers. I also find that the people that enjoy the apple products tend to dislike the same things it just wasn't a deal breaker for them.

What I find odd in all places that I have seen this discussed is how personal Apple fans take someone voicing a complaint about Apple. And I also find it amazing how deep the hatred toward apple runs.

We all need to keep some personal distance from the discussion. If someone hates the Iproduct it dosn't have any bearing on you personally. And If someone loves an Iproduct it dosn't have any bearing on me.

This thread started with a complaint about the battery life and replacement procedure of a phone not a phone owner. Then a back and forth started defending and attacking the short battery life and the inconvenience of replacing a battery.

It's human nature to want to defend your decision. That is taught in every sales class I've ever taken. When someone attacks a product that you spent a lot of money on you feel like you decision is being attacked. I know it's hard but don't. Remember you didn't go down to the Apple store and say to the salesman. I heard you have a new phone that won't let me change the battery I'd like one of those please. No, you went and said I want an IPhone because it does all these other wonderful things. Just remember that when someone points out a flaw in the device. You see it too it just dosn't bother you that much.

As Jack Sparrow said " The only rules that really matter are these: what a man can do and what a man can't do."

You can either love Apple or you can't. Either way it dosn't effect anybody but yourself.

Well I rambled on too long and I don't even know now if I had a point.

GraceLuvsWDW

07-11-2009, 10:01 PM

I don't know when phones became such important topics?

My brother is an industrial designer. He has designed many cellphones for Nokia and currently works as a designer for Dell. The reason I bring this up is that Dell has recently released an interesting mini pc that some people have been erasing the PC operating systems from and loading Apple OS/MAC (I'm not a techie so I'm not good with the terminology) software. It basically turns a mini pc into a Mac that can run all of the Apple/Mac/iTunes software, which, let's face it is just miles ahead of the other companies even trying to enter the market. BUT, I do believe there will be a new competitive product soon that people might find a way to get all the functionality of the iPhone/iPod on a phone that doesn't have the issues all discussed already on this thread AND that has the phone functionality/camera functionality AND the functionality of a PC running MAC software.

The tech world is growing, changing, developing still at a very rapid rate. There are companies that focus primarily on very high yield batteries smaller than a penny. The technology is soon to come and not even Apple can keep the competitors from breaking into this highly profitable market.

Now, imo whatever cell phone you have/don't have/like/don't like is not very important or interesting in the grand scheme of things but I am excited that soon perhaps all of our devices will be merged into one handheld phone/music player/camera/computer/gaming system/etc etc etc!
:thumbsup2

Michele

07-12-2009, 02:37 PM

I don't know when phones became such important topics?

My brother is an industrial designer. He has designed many cellphones for Nokia and currently works as a designer for Dell. The reason I bring this up is that Dell has recently released an interesting mini pc that some people have been erasing the PC operating systems from and loading Apple OS/MAC (I'm not a techie so I'm not good with the terminology) software. It basically turns a mini pc into a Mac that can run all of the Apple/Mac/iTunes software, which, let's face it is just miles ahead of the other companies even trying to enter the market. BUT, I do believe there will be a new competitive product soon that people might find a way to get all the functionality of the iPhone/iPod on a phone that doesn't have the issues all discussed already on this thread AND that has the phone functionality/camera functionality AND the functionality of a PC running MAC software.

I can't imagine why someone would want a PC converted to Mac OS and software. The main reason (at least to me) for getting a Mac was to have that integrated hardware/software which basically shuts off the avenue for viruses. It's not the software alone that prevents this, it's the integration of the two. I believe.

*NikkiBell*

07-12-2009, 03:08 PM

I don't plan on feeding into a thread that was created with no other intention but to "stir the pot" and cause drama. That's why I haven't posted until now and ignored the thread after reading the first post. However, I do have a few things to say.

1. I prefer blackforest cake.
2. The only pie I like is chocolate cream.

Oh, and by the way...

I'm typing this from my iPhone which in itself should show how satisfied I am with its ease of use, battery life, and capabilities.

GAN

07-12-2009, 03:53 PM

I would imagine that most of the negatives that haunt the iPhone now, will probably go away soon thanks to some legitimate competition finally breaking into the scene. So I hate to see this blow up into a big deal -in a few few years it's going to be like arguing whether you prefer Kleenex or Puffs.

AnneR

07-12-2009, 04:16 PM

I'm partial to carrot cake or red velvet any day.

I love my iphone.

Mr. Plutes

07-12-2009, 07:06 PM

Well I was a pocket pc man. When the iPhone first came out I didn't want nothing to do with it. Because of the battery life it had.
But I left verizon early to get the iPhone 3g. When I had the pocket pc I carried like two extra batteries. So now with the iPhone I carry or have three different tune juices for the iPhone. I guess I have been brain :surfweb:washed also.

Dale-Not-Chip

07-13-2009, 07:49 AM

I can't imagine why someone would want a PC converted to Mac OS and software. The main reason (at least to me) for getting a Mac was to have that integrated hardware/software which basically shuts off the avenue for viruses. It's not the software alone that prevents this, it's the integration of the two. I believe.

Since Mac has moved to the Intel chip the hardware has nothing to do with the virus issue. People convert the dell machine because they don't have to pay the inflated prices and can still have the advantages of the mac.

2 things that have prevented viruses on the mac so far.

1. The software. Mac does make it easier to not run in administrator mode, and then always asks for permission to install anything. This helps prevent viruses from installing themselves.

2. There are fewer users. Writing viruses is a full time job and the crooks what more bang for the buck.

Look how fast people hacked the Iphone in order to get away from att, and to add apps when the phone first came out.

soupy11

07-13-2009, 08:53 AM

Don't want to argue the merits of mac products but if the thread upsets you, why do you read it? Isn't that the standard operating procedure on the internet?

There have been some touchy responses over a piece of plastic and metal. The corporations are laughing at us as we text ourselves into isolation. I say rid yourselves of these devices! They are going to be our downfall.

*Ok that was dramatic....seriously though, it is just a phone. Now if someone started attacking your choice of car, I say release the hounds.

FireDancer

07-13-2009, 11:01 AM

I don't think it is a matter of one person being right and another wrong. PC vs. Mac or iPhone vs. Blackberry are just choices. Purchase the product that best suits your needs. Its kind of like arguing which is better, cherries or strawberries. It isn't a question of better, it is a question of which is better to you.

luke

07-13-2009, 02:11 PM

soupy11

07-13-2009, 03:45 PM

noladave

07-13-2009, 07:14 PM

I love my iphone, I've said that.

As for viruses and hacking, have you ever watched a hacking competition?? You know, the kind where they put up a MAC, a PC, and Unix box??? Usually the MAC is hacked first, and then Unix or PC.

It's not the box or the software that keeps APPLE products from being hacked - it's the fact that all of 3 people use MACS.

Want proof positive? HOw long did it take a 19 year to hack the brand new 3GS Iphone?? All of about a day....

more proof??

http://news.cnet.com/8301-13579_3-9905095-37.html

Last year's contest was won by exploiting a QuickTime vulnerability, which was patched by Apple in less than two weeks. As of the time I posted this, no one had gained control of the Vista or Ubuntu machines, but I'll update later as the results come in over the rest of the afternoon.

FireDancer

07-13-2009, 11:24 PM

Just about any system can be hacked. PCs are the largest market share and thus offer the greatest rate of return for viruses. PCs are generaly in highly desirable areas, such as businesses, making compromising them more desirable.

The purpose of computer viruses or hacking is no longer really about destroying your machine. Viruses are about money. This could be done by adding your machine to a bot net to leverage it at a future time, installing something on your machine to sniff for valuable information, or placing an exploit on your machine to be used later.

OS X has had the benefit of "security through obscurity" to some extent because they are not as widely used as PCs, aren't as prevalent in the sought after business sector, and are a more closed platform.

On an entirely different not I am confused by the new title "Update post #30". I did post number 30 and in no way was it an update to the OP.

The vast majority of viruses are the results of bad behavior. Not just surfing adult sites or downloading illegal software, but opening attachments you can't verify, having too trusting of setting on your browser, or using a WiFi network that is unprotected.

If you really really want to make yourself safe from getting hacked purchase a machine that runs a PowerPC chip and install AIX on it. There are no know exploits in the wild that I am aware of for AIX running on PowerPC. Good luck.