What's in a BLT? - Or, Configuration of the Tower *UPDATED 11/23* [Archive] - The DIS Discussion Forums

TSMIII

06-24-2009, 04:55 PM

*UPDATE 11/23* - The tables below have been updated to reflect the 10 NOV declaration (11th Amendment) posted on 23 NOV for Phases 47 through 54 -the remainder of the 8th floor and part of the 9th floor - a total of 26 more 2BR villas (12 dedicated & 14 lockoff).

*UPDATE 9/11* - The tables below have been updated to reflect the 2 SEP declaration posted on 11 SEP for Phases 41 through 46 -the remainder of the 7th floor and part of the 8th floor - a total of 18 more 2BR villas (8 dedicated & 10 lockoff).

*UPDATE 7/22* - The tables below have been updated to reflect the declaration posted on 7/20 for Phases 38, 40 & 89 - more of the 7th floor and more of the 15th & 16th floors - a total of 8 more 2BR villas (2 dedicated & 6 lockoff) and 2 more Grand Villas.

*UPDATE 6/29* - Another declaration was posted on 6/26 for Phases 36, 37 & 39 - the remainder of the 6th floor and part of the 7th floor - a total of 9 more 2BR villas (6 dedicated & 3 lockoff). The tables below have been updated accordingly.

With all the posts wondering about BLT views, incentives and how much of it has sold, waitlists, etc., I realized that I hadn't seen any posts on how it's configured.

I've been tracking how much of Kidani has been declared but we haven't seen any new declarations for a while so I figured I'd put together the BLT info even though I'm not an owner. Hopefully it is useful to some of you that are.

First let me start by saying any reference you see to "Outer" and "Inner" refers to where the villas are located - either on the outer section of the "C" shaped BLT (facing MK, CR, etc.), or the inner section (facing the pool & Bay Lake).

No doubt most have already seen the floor plans for the studio, 2BR & GV on the member website, other websites or in the Planner, so I won't go through all of those. But here is how the villas are configured in the tower based on the unit declarations and photos currently available:

The front elevation of the building

http://i217.photobucket.com/albums/cc97/sdavey41/BLTelevation.jpg

Here's a table showing what has been declared and what can be expected in the future.

Note that all of the floors from the 4th through the 12th will have 22 two bedroom villas (either dedicated or lockoff) - there will be 14 on the outer section and 8 on the inner section.

http://i217.photobucket.com/albums/cc97/sdavey41/BLTconfig.jpg

Now here's a table showing where the different types of villas are located by floor. There are a few more showing here than what has been declared. The reason for this is that the first floor declaration shows some villas not yet declared. Also, we know from the photos that the Grand Villas will all be on the 14th, 15th & 16th floors.

http://i217.photobucket.com/albums/cc97/sdavey41/BLTconfig2.jpg

Below is the 1st floor diagram filed with Orange County, the areas in the table above listed as CE are reflected on the diagram and reduce the number of villas on this floor. The lobby also extends up to the 2nd and 3rd floors likewise reducing the number of villas. The diagram for the 2nd floor showing the lobby area is similar to the diagram for the 3rd floor. Starting on the 4th floor, you get the villas occupying all of that space.

http://i217.photobucket.com/albums/cc97/sdavey41/BLT1stFlr.jpg

2nd floor diagram showing lobby atrium extending up into this floor - 3rd floor is almost identical.

http://i217.photobucket.com/albums/cc97/sdavey41/BLTLobby.jpg

Now to get a better idea of how a typical floor is configured, here is the outline of the 4th floor and then the corresponding units that make up that floor - I've put them in sequential order starting with the north side of the building and working around to the south side.

http://i217.photobucket.com/albums/cc97/sdavey41/BLTFlrLayout.jpg

http://i217.photobucket.com/albums/cc97/sdavey41/BLTstairwellunit.jpg

http://i217.photobucket.com/albums/cc97/sdavey41/BLTNorthunit.jpg

http://i217.photobucket.com/albums/cc97/sdavey41/BLTstairwellunit2.jpg

http://i217.photobucket.com/albums/cc97/sdavey41/BLTCenterC.jpg

http://i217.photobucket.com/albums/cc97/sdavey41/BLTstairwellunit3.jpg

http://i217.photobucket.com/albums/cc97/sdavey41/BLTSouthunit.jpg

http://i217.photobucket.com/albums/cc97/sdavey41/BLTstairwellunit4.jpg

And some interesting observations after looking at the diagrams and the table showing the location of the villa types:

There are two sets of elevators for each floor (including what looks like a service elevator in each set), and four stairwells.

The stairwells on every floor are abutted by a dedicated 2BR villa (except the 15th & 16th which have the GVs).

The center section of the inner villas ends at the 14th floor as it appears the Top of the World lounge and what looks like an observation deck occupy the space on the 15th & 16th floors. Here's a previously posted photo, courtesy of DonaldDoleWhip, that illustrates this:

http://i217.photobucket.com/albums/cc97/sdavey41/BLTBack.jpg

The GVs on the North & South sides are one floor higher than the GVs in the Center section as the TOTW lounge/observation deck occupies the 16th floor in the Center section. Here are two previously posted photos, courtesy of Webmaster Doc, that show this quite well:

http://i217.photobucket.com/albums/cc97/sdavey41/BLTTOTW.jpg

http://i217.photobucket.com/albums/cc97/sdavey41/BLTside.jpg

Hopefully this breakdown is clear enough to understand. As DVC declares more units, I'll update the stats to reflect the new totals. And if any more info surfaces regarding where the common elements are located or any other interesting features, I'll include that as well and would welcome anyone's input in this regard or any clarifications/corrections you have.

monkeyknuckler

06-24-2009, 05:04 PM

Very interesting. Will people with a LV be able to congregate near the elevators to see a MK view around 9:00pm?

gkrykewy

06-24-2009, 05:15 PM

Excellent work on the thread! Are all LV rooms essentially pool/courtyard rooms (or do some face contemporary/seven seas lagoon while not being oriented toward MK)?

DVC Mike

06-24-2009, 05:20 PM

Interesting! Thanks.

DVCGeek

06-24-2009, 05:20 PM

Hopefully it is useful to some of you that are.

Nice summary and thanks for putting this together; I particularly like the spreadsheets.

Do you have any intel as to which rooms will be considered what "view" for booking purposes? I thought my guide said something like 10% standard, 70% Bay Lake, and 20% Magic Kingdom but I just don't see how that will play out looking at the building...

TSMIII

06-24-2009, 05:47 PM

Nice summary and thanks for putting this together; I particularly like the spreadsheets.

Do you have any intel as to which rooms will be considered what "view" for booking purposes? I thought my guide said something like 10% standard, 70% Bay Lake, and 20% Magic Kingdom but I just don't see how that will play out looking at the building...

I've only heard what everyone else has - the same percentages you quoted above, give or take a % or two -but there are some I think we can definitely say would fall into one of those groups.

I would think almost every single villa on the inner section of the "C" would be LV, with the possible exception of the 1st floor villas. Also, I think the villas on the 2nd and 3rd floors, in the center of the outer section, would be too low to get a MK view and since they'd be overlooking the parking lot, would have to be a STD view.

The tough part will be those villas that are on the cusp - just high enough or just far enough north or south, that they could go either way between one or another view type.

I don't think we'll know until people start staying at BLT and report in.

*CheshireCat*

06-24-2009, 05:53 PM

I love this thread! Thanks for the info on the BLT!

Rob S.

06-24-2009, 06:06 PM

This is great! The geek in me just jumped out. :rolleyes1
I too am interested in anything that would show what the views are for booking purposes.

Disneycouple99

06-24-2009, 06:18 PM

Thank You.:worship::worship:

culli

06-24-2009, 07:48 PM

Illuminations_Rocks

06-24-2009, 09:04 PM

Ohhh interesting - but I'm just really excited because my unit was on there, haha - we own (a small part of) 19C!

spiceycat

06-24-2009, 10:39 PM

thank you, thank you!!!

so despite what the guides are saying - it is only to the 6th floor being declared into sales.

or am I not understanding this?

so they may have sold 90% but only of the floors 1-6th right?

wdrl

06-24-2009, 10:53 PM

WOW:worship::worship:

One quick observaton, looks not even half units declared but BLT almost sold out according to guides:confused3

I believe they can't sell what isn't declared soooooooo looks like the guide talk about BLT selling so fast is bunch hooey. I didn't put much thought or research into this and I'm sure others will let me know if my I'm wrong:thumbsup2

Unless I've missed it, the OP never indicated how current the data was regarding the number of declared units in BLT. I'm sure the number of declared units is changing every week as Disney sells more points.

By the way, does anyone know how many points Disney is selling at BLT? In another thread someone said that BLT will have 1,530,000 points allocated to the DVC. When we recently added on points from BLT, we received a Component Site Public Offering Statement, Revised 3/15/2009, that stated "The total number of Home Resort Vacation Points currently (emphasis added) being declared at the Bay Lake Tower Resort is 1,374,590." The POS goes on to say that the number of Home Resort Vacation Points will increase or decrease if DVD adds, or removes, the number of accommodations in BLT.

P.S. - I love this thread! Thanks to the OP for putting this data together!

spiceycat

06-24-2009, 11:47 PM

Unless I've missed it, the OP never indicated how current the data was regarding the number of declared units in BLT. I'm sure the number of declared units is changing every week as Disney sells more points.

really think this is the latest of the declared units.

dvc does not declare units into DVC every week - it seems it is about once every 3 months or so.

dvc_john

06-25-2009, 08:30 AM

so despite what the guides are saying - it is only to the 6th floor being declared into sales.

plus seven GV's and two 2-br's on the 14th, 15th and 16th floors

Unless I've missed it, the OP never indicated how current the data was regarding the number of declared units in BLT. I'm sure the number of declared units is changing every week as Disney sells more points.

The last units declared were in documents dated April 14th and recorded on April 21st.

gkrykewy

06-25-2009, 08:34 AM

The last units declared were in documents dated April 14th and recorded on April 21st.

I think they might have declared another batch last week. A lot of waitlists came through pretty much simultaneously.

dvc_john

06-25-2009, 08:36 AM

I think they might have declared another batch last week. A lot of waitlists came through pretty much simultaneously.

If so, they should show up on the Orange County website any day now.

TSMIII

06-25-2009, 09:20 AM

plus seven GV's and two 2-br's on the 14th, 15th and 16th floors

The last units declared were in documents dated April 14th and recorded on April 21st.

You are correct dvc_john - I've got everything on there up through the declaration that showed up on the OC Comptroller's site on 4/21.

spiceycat

06-25-2009, 09:30 AM

TSMIII

06-25-2009, 09:34 AM

I just updated the table showing the location of the villas to make it a liitle more intuitive. Previously, both outer and inner villas were displayed as if you were looking at BLT from the rear.

I changed it so the outer villas are displayed as if you were looking at the front of the building from the monorail or parking lot.

TSMIII

06-25-2009, 09:36 AM

so 1-6

14-15

that leaves 7-12 (or 13 if they have it) - so a little less than half of the building to be declared into DVC and sold.

though 16 was only the observation and lounge are rooms located there?

when I called yesterday about getting BLT in Dec - the guide say nothing about new units declared and nothing at any DVC resort was availability.

For the center section this is correct. However, on both the north and south sides the upper level of the GVs occupy the 16th floor and on the back side there are two 2BR villas on both the north and south sides.

TSMIII

06-29-2009, 10:13 AM

Updated in 1st post for new villas declared 6/26.

dizfan

06-29-2009, 09:51 PM

Thank you for posting this.

We sent back our paperwork last weekend and it showed 21B, which is already declared.

Does anyone know how Disney defines declared? Does that mean they have started selling points for that room or maybe sold __% of the points for the room?

spiceycat

06-29-2009, 10:12 PM

Disney only declares units into DVC when they can be sold.

I think

thank you again!

you are so kind to do this for us BLT - when you don't even own BLT.

arthur06

07-13-2009, 01:58 PM

Does this mean that only the declared units can be used with points and all declared units are cash? Or is it a % of units that are points?

For example if unit 20 has been declared it can be used on points. and unit 50 has not been declared it can NOT be used on points? I guess what I mean, does the EXACT declared unit have to be the unit used on points?

arthur06

07-15-2009, 12:45 PM

Another question...

If DVC typically declares units about every 3 months...would I have a better chance of getting my Oct. WL for BLT?

DVCGeek

07-15-2009, 01:50 PM

Anyone know how many rooms the old Garden Wing of the Contemporary hotel had before it was demolished to make room for BLT?

I'm curious what the net room count for Contemporary + BLT is versus the "old" Contemporary when it was a hotel only but with two wings...

Disney Spaz

07-15-2009, 02:56 PM

This is great. Thank you for all your work.

RweTHEREyet

07-15-2009, 03:12 PM

kenny

07-15-2009, 03:57 PM

Another question from someone who is totally clueless as to how this works.

1) I am presently holdling a ressie for a MK view villa in September

2) Let's say that by some freak chance, they did not sell another point
between now and the time I check in.

3) Does this mean they could only put me in a room that was located on
floors 1 - 6 ?

I guess my question is, if the room has not been declared, can they still let someone stay in it?

You can stay anywhere, not just the 1-6th floors. It is my understanding that declarations really only amount to what percentage is available to DVC and what percentage is available to CRO. If 25% is declare then only 25% can be booked via DVC and the rest is CRO, but it does not play into where you actually stay.

Some one correct me if I am wrong.

dizfan

07-15-2009, 04:07 PM

You can stay anywhere, not just the 1-6th floors. It is my understanding that declarations really only amount to what percentage is available to DVC and what percentage is available to CRO. If 25% is declare then only 25% can be booked via DVC and the rest is CRO, but it does not play into where you actually stay.

Some one correct me if I am wrong.

This explanation makes sense. From a marketing standpoint, if only 50% of the rooms are booked, they would want to give those guests the best possible experience. Putting people in the best possible rooms (for the specified view) encourages people to buy points (or more points).

dizfan

07-15-2009, 05:12 PM

Did some more research on the the OCC web site.

The filing date of the last BLT declaration was June 18, 2009

I doubt if that includes all the closings on that date...
June 18 recordings = 88
June 19-July 15 (as of approximately 3:30 CST) = 1211
----------
1299 new contracts have been recorded since the last declaration.
When I looked at a sampling of 55 contracts during this stretch, they are averaging close to 180 points.

The contracts from the web cast just started showing up, so I wouldn't be surprised to see the numbers increase a lot over the next few weeks.

Also noticed contracts showing up with the phases just declared.

dizfan

07-20-2009, 01:18 PM

Phases 38, 40, and 89 were declared. Papers filed on July 15, OCC web site shows it on July 20th.

mousescrapper

07-20-2009, 02:52 PM

popcorn::

thanks for this very detailed and informative thread....

I found this link on a different BLT thread....I think I get it :confused:

we'll be coming "home" next yr Nov and requesting a 2BR D w/ most likely a SV. As much as we'd love MK or LV...our points won't manage it right now. Just trying to get a feel what the SV really is. Be glad once it's officially open and people can report....

Can't wait till we can go!

wdrl

07-20-2009, 04:41 PM

Phases 38, 40, and 89 were declared. Papers filed on July 15, OCC web site shows it on July 20th.

How do you search for a declaration on the OCC website? I have success finding the deeds, plus other extraneous items such as notices of waiver of ROFR. But I don't know how to search for a declaration, or I don't recognize it when I see it.

Thanks!

dizfan

07-20-2009, 04:50 PM

How do you search for a declaration on the OCC website? I have success finding the deeds, plus other extraneous items such as notices of waiver of ROFR. But I don't know how to search for a declaration, or I don't recognize it when I see it.

Thanks!

Here's how I search...
I use the standard search.
Enter the date range, and enter Disney Vacation Development in the Grantor entry.

This will show several document types (Descriptions): Notice, Deed, Deed Mortgage, Condo Related, etc. The Condo Related ones seem to be declarations. For example, document id 20090412099 is the one I noticed today. If you view the OCC attached image for the document, you'll see it's a declaration and they tell you which phases they are adding.

wdrl

07-20-2009, 06:11 PM

Here's how I search...
I use the standard search.
Enter the date range, and enter Disney Vacation Development in the Grantor entry.

This will show several document types (Descriptions): Notice, Deed, Deed Mortgage, Condo Related, etc. The Condo Related ones seem to be declarations. For example, document id 20090412099 is the one I noticed today. If you view the OCC attached image for the document, you'll see it's a declaration and they tell you which phases they are adding.

Much thanks. Followed your instructions and found the declaration.

I've been going through the OCC deed recordings for Bay Lake Tower for the last few days. For the period July 10 - 17, 2009, 83,400 points were recorded in 40 different unit designations. The units all relate to the units that have been declared by DVD, such as 87a, 33c, etc., with one exception: There is one deed labeled as Bay Lake Tower showing the buyer has an interest in unit 105a. That unit number doesn't relate to any of the declared BLT units, but it DOES match up with several deeds being recorded for Animal Kingdom Villas on 7/15/09. Can a recorded deed ever have a "simple" typing error?

I think the high number of points recorded in such a short period shows that Disney had a lot of success with the webcast in mid-June.

Thanks for helping put this thread together. Its a lot of fun watching this BLT getting filled up!

dizfan

07-20-2009, 07:35 PM

I've been going through the OCC deed recordings for Bay Lake Tower for the last few days. For the period July 10 - 17, 2009, 83,400 points were recorded in 40 different unit designations. The units all relate to the units that have been declared by DVD, such as 87a, 33c, etc.

Wow, sales definitely picked up at BLT.

with one exception: There is one deed labeled as Bay Lake Tower showing the buyer has an interest in unit 105a. That unit number doesn't relate to any of the declared BLT units, but it DOES match up with several deeds being recorded for Animal Kingdom Villas on 7/15/09. Can a recorded deed ever have a "simple" typing error?

The OCC web site shows the date that they have proofed contracts for. This morning, I think it was showing documents up to July 3rd were proofed. Tonight, it's showing documents proofed through July 13.

I think the high number of points recorded in such a short period shows that Disney had a lot of success with the webcast in mid-June.

I think you're right. We purchased from the first webcast and our contract didn't show up until last week. Our sales guide told us they were expecting 30% of those attending the three web casts to purchase at BLT. They estimated 6000 attendees. (I know sales people often stretch the facts, but even if they get 15% of the webcast attendees to purchase, that's 900 new contracts).

I wonder how many more points they have left to sell for February UY? They should have plenty for the other UY, but it seemed like 80% of all contracts in the last month have been for February.

WelovMickey!

07-20-2009, 09:01 PM

Ohhh interesting - but I'm just really excited because my unit was on there, haha - we own (a small part of) 19C!

How do you know what unit you own?

dizfan

07-20-2009, 09:09 PM

How do you know what unit you own?

On the Deed you signed, it will indicate # points you own, % of the room you own, Unit (for example 19A), and which resort these points belong to.

Something like the following...
An undivid 0.9209% interest in Unit 19A of ....
Lower down it will list the UY and # points

wdrl

07-20-2009, 09:10 PM

I wonder how many more points they have left to sell for February UY? They should have plenty for the other UY, but it seemed like 80% of all contracts in the last month have been for February.

It certainly looks like February is the predominant UY for BLT. When we bought into BLT in early May, our Guide said that they were selling contracts with February UYs. The deeds that were recorded 7/10-7/15 still show this emphasis: 23 of the 40 units and 69.6% of the points have February UYs. By comparison, March had 2 units assigned to it, April had 1 unit, June had 2 units, August had 3, September had 4, October had 2, and December had 3. I wonder if a review of deeds for BLT from an earlier period would also show such a skewed sample of UYs. Do you know if Guides are still using February as the default on new contracts they are currently selling?

A general question about DVD operations: Does DVD try to distribute the points for a resort equally among the 8 UYs? Or does it stack them primarily in one or two months and sprinkle the remaining points in the other months?

DenLo

07-21-2009, 06:53 PM

A general question about DVD operations: Does DVD try to distribute the points for a resort equally among the 8 UYs? Or does it stack them primarily in one or two months and sprinkle the remaining points in the other months?

Yes, please, does anyone know the answer to wdrl's question?

spiceycat

07-21-2009, 08:45 PM

A general question about DVD operations: Does DVD try to distribute the points for a resort equally among the 8 UYs? Or does it stack them primarily in one or two months and sprinkle the remaining points in the other months?

yes - they divide the points equal among the uys. they have to.

would hope it would be March or April by now

wdrl

07-21-2009, 10:17 PM

yes - they divide the points equal among the uys. they have to.

would hope it would be March or April by now

Actually, two of the units in the very first declaration by DVD, Unit 3a and Unit 4a, have March and April, respectively, as their UY. A lot of contracts for these two units were sold and recorded in the first 4 months of BLT sales. If I can find some time in the next few days, I want to go back through the OCC records and find the UY assigned to each declared unit.

dizfan

07-21-2009, 10:46 PM

From what I've seen, Disney allocates the points for a specific room to a specific UY. For example, 4A was used for April UY. I haven't seen any contracts for 4A that don't belong to any other UY.

When they have sent out enough contracts to use up the points, they move onto another room. This doesn't mean the room is fully sold out. Some contracts don't get returned, so after awhile they will sell them again. Some times there's small amounts of points left and they look for just the right match.

If that holds true, we should be able to figure out roughly how many points have at least been sent out for the various UY.

Here's some rooms from when BLT contracts first started showing up. I'm not sure of the exact number of points for a room. The formula I used was to take # points for a contract and divide by the percentage of the room that is for. For example, 160 pts with an undivided .4073% interest would be 160 divided by .004073 = 39283 point for that room. Then I rounded to make it easier.

2A Feb ~39280 pts
2B March ~19640
3A March ~39280
3B April ~19640
4A April ~39280
4B June ~19640
5B Aug ~19640
5C Aug ~19640
6A Sept 39280
6B Sept ~19640
7A Oct ~19640
7B Oct ~19640
7C Dec ~19640
8A Dec ~39280
8B Feb ~19640
9A Dec ~19640
9B Feb ~19640
9C Feb ~19640
10A March
10B April 19640
11A Feb 19640
11B Feb 19640
11C Feb 19640
12A June 39280
12B Feb 19640
13A Aug 19640
13B Feb 19640
13C Feb 19640
14A Feb 39280
18A Dec 39280
19C June 39280
36A Feb ~39280

If I get some time, I'll update as I find time to locate rooms, UY, and points.

wdrl

07-22-2009, 12:45 PM

From what I've seen, Disney allocates the points for a specific room to a specific UY. For example, 4A was used for April UY. I haven't seen any contracts for 4A that don't belong to any other UY.

If I get some time, I'll update as I find time to locate rooms, UY, and points.

My data is in agreement with your data. Between the two of us, we have 63 units identified with their UY and approximate number of points. A summary by UY shows the following:

Month Units Points

February 34 1,015,090
March 4 133,175
April 3 78,560
June 4 133,175
August 4 98,200
September 5 117,840
October 4 78,560
December 5 157,120

Total: 63 1,811,720

The actual breakout is as follows:

2a February 39280
8b February 19640
9b February 19640
9c February 19640
11a February 19640
11b February 19640
11c February 19640
12b February 39280
13b February 19640
13c February 19640
14a February 39280
16b February 19640
20a February 39280
23a February 39280
25b February 19640
26c February 39280
27a February 39280
28a February 19640
28b February 19640
28c February 19640
29a February 39280
30a February 39280
33c February 39280
34a February 39280
36a February 39280
39a February 39280
82b February 34975
87a February 34975
87b February 34975
87c February 19640
88a February 34975
88b February 34975
88c February 19640
2b March 19640
3a March 39280
10a March 39280
82a March 34975
3b April 19640
4a April 39280
10b April 19640
4b June 19640
12a June 39280
19c June 39280
82c June 34975
5b August 19640
5c August 19640
13a August 19640
32a August 39280
6a September 39280
6b September 19640
19b September 19640
21b September 19640
21c September 19640
7a October 19640
7b October 19640
14b October 19640
23b October 19640
7c December 19640
8a December 39280
9a December 19640
16a December 39280
18a December 39280

As Dizfan points out, the points for each unit is an approximation based on the percentages and points shown on the recorded deeds.

If DVD has only declared up to the 7th floor and the Grand Villas on the top floor, then there are a lot more units left to be declared, not to mention a lot more points left to be sold.

dizfan

07-22-2009, 01:52 PM

wdrl thanks for all the research!!!

If I added the numbers right, that means DVD has over 1 million point for Feb.

Either BLT has far more than 6 million points or Disney's oversold Feb points. Any chance they are really selling points for 2 towers?

TSMIII

07-22-2009, 03:10 PM

First post updated to reflect the most recent declaration of units on 7/20.

wdrl

07-23-2009, 12:52 AM

The following is for all of you numbers freaks who can't get enough numbers.

I've gone back through the BLT declarations and recorded deeds available from the Orange County Comptroller website and have updated and revised data regarding the units, declared and undeclared, and the associated points and Use years for the units. This data reflects the BLT Declaration #9 that was filed on 7/20/2009 with OCC.

The table below updated on 7/28/2009 to reflect new deeds and to reclassify Units 01a and 01b as undeclared

Declared Phases:

Month # of Units # of Points Pct of Declared Pct of Grand Total

February......52............1,407,890............. 51.19%.............24.17%
March...........4...............133,175........... ..4.84%...............2.29%
April.............4.................98,200........ .....3.57%..............1.69%
June..............4..............133,175.......... ....4.84%..............2.29%
August...........5..............117,840........... ...4.28%..............2.02%
September.....6...............137,480............. 5.00%..............2.36%
October.........4................78,560........... ...2.86%..............1.35%
December......6...............176,760............. .6.43%..............3.03%
Unknown.......22..............467,055............1 6.98%..............8.02%

Declared
Total...........107............2,750,135.......... .........................47.21%

Undeclared
Total...........117............3,075,405.......... ..........................52.79%

Grand
Total...........224...........5,825,540

The term "unit" does not mean a separate DVC accommodation, such a GV or 2-bedroom villa. DVD is declaring BLT to the DVC in phases. They have designated 92 phases for BLT. Each phase has two or three units, and each unit has one or two two-bedrooms villas, or one Grand Villa. For example, Phase 14 has unit 14a, with two two-bedroom villas in it, and unit 14b, with one two-bedroom villa in it. The number of points assigned to each unit is dependent on the square footage of the villas in the unit. A unit with one two-bedroom has about 19,640 points assigned to it. A unit with two two-bedrooms has about 39,280 points assigned to it. A unit with a Grand Villa has about 34,975 assigned to it. Each floor from the 4th to the 12th has 17 units and accounts for 432,080 points.

The UY for the declared units were confirmed by looking at recorded deeds on the OCC website. The 25 units with "unknown" UY are units that have been declared but have yet to have a deed recorded.

Based on this data, it looks like BLT will have over 5.8 million points. If DVD keeps 2%, it still leaves 5.7 million that could be sold to the DVC.

It also looks like February will be the most common UY. Even if not a single undeclared unit is assigned to February, over 26% of the points will have a February UY once BLT is sold out. I reread the BLT Declaration of Condominium, and I can't see where it says that points HAVE to be equally distributed among the UY.

One final thing: It looks like I have waaaaaay too much time on my hands.

As DVD makes more declarations, and more deeds are recorded, we'll be able to update and revise these numbers.

DVCGeek

07-23-2009, 09:42 AM

One final thing: It looks like I have waaaaaay too much time on my hands.

Perhaps ;) , but I am one of those who enjoy reading your number collections! :upsidedow

dizfan

07-23-2009, 10:29 AM

Perhaps ;) , but I am one of those who enjoy reading your number collections! :upsidedow

I second this opinion.

Really helps people understand where things are at WDW and gives us a much better idea of how DVC sales work.

I think it really helps new buyers determine fact from sales talk. Whether intentional or not, a few people are reporting their guide as saying BLT is almost sold out. Facts show that's not the case. Considering the US has been in a recession for awhile before BLT started selling, it's selling well, but not even 50% sold out.

dizfan

07-28-2009, 10:19 AM

My data is in agreement with your data. Between the two of us, we have 63 units identified with their UY and approximate number of points. A summary by UY shows the following:

Month Units Points

February 34 1,015,090
March 4 133,175
April 3 78,560
June 4 133,175
August 4 98,200
September 5 117,840
October 4 78,560
December 5 157,120

Total: 63 1,811,720

The actual breakout is as follows:

2a February 39280
8b February 19640
9b February 19640
9c February 19640
11a February 19640
11b February 19640
11c February 19640
12b February 39280
13b February 19640
13c February 19640
14a February 39280
16b February 19640
20a February 39280
23a February 39280
25b February 19640
26c February 39280
27a February 39280
28a February 19640
28b February 19640
28c February 19640
29a February 39280
30a February 39280
33c February 39280
34a February 39280
36a February 39280
39a February 39280
82b February 34975
87a February 34975
87b February 34975
87c February 19640
87b February 34975
88a February 34975
88b February 34975
88c February 19640
2b March 19640
3a March 39280
10a March 39280
82a March 34975
3b April 19640
4a April 39280
10b April 19640
4b June 19640
12a June 39280
19c June 39280
82c June 34975
5b August 19640
5c August 19640
13a August 19640
32a August 39280
6a September 39280
6b September 19640
19b September 19640
21b September 19640
21c September 19640
7a October 19640
7b October 19640
14b October 19640
23b October 19640
7c December 19640
8a December 39280
9a December 19640
16a December 39280
18a December 39280

As Dizfan points out, the points for each unit is an approximation based on the percentages and points shown on the recorded deeds.

If DVD has only declared up to the 7th floor and the Grand Villas on the top floor, then there are a lot more units left to be declared, not to mention a lot more points left to be sold.

Just noticed Unit 87b is listed twice here.

Also, based on documented contracts posted 7/27, unit 89A is 34975 points and another Feb UY.

wdrl

07-28-2009, 10:44 AM

Just noticed Unit 87b is listed twice here.

Also, based on documented contracts posted 7/27, unit 89A is 34975 points and another Feb UY.

I've corrected the data in my earlier post removing the duplicate entry for unit 87b.

I will also update my charts to reflect Unit 89A as a confirmed February UY. I've got to take the nieces to see G-Force (Disney movie, of course), so I probably won't get around to updating the UY chart until tonight.

Its interesting that unit 89A was part of the latest declaration of units made on 7/15/09 and recorded on 7/20/09. I'm curious to see whether DVD sold the contract before they made the declaration. I'm not sure why, but I always thought that DVD declared units before it started selling them. Learn something new every day!

Thanks Dizfan!!

dizfan

07-28-2009, 11:57 AM

I've got to take the nieces to see G-Force (Disney movie, of course), so I probably won't get around to updating the UY chart until tonight.

Enjoy the movie.

Its interesting that unit 89A was part of the latest declaration of units made on 7/15/09 and recorded on 7/20/09. I'm curious to see whether DVD sold the contract before they made the declaration. I'm not sure why, but I always thought that DVD declared units before it started selling them. Learn something new every day!

wdrl, nice catch. These 89A contracts are from before the July 15th declaration date. There's at least one from July 1. Also at least one with a typed date of July 2, instead of the handwritten date.

A couple more to add to the list
37A February 39280
31A April 19640

wdrl

07-28-2009, 10:05 PM

On 7/28/2009, I updated the table shown in my Post #49. I added unit 89a as another February UY, but I also had to clean up some misclassifications in my earlier post. I recently found out that DVD has not declared Phase 1 (Units 01a & 01b). Thanks to dizfan for spotting new deeds on the OCC website.

tiggspring

07-29-2009, 12:20 AM

I had some questions about availability and was directed to this thread all I can say is WOW!! and Thanks!!!:thanks:

mousescrapper

07-29-2009, 12:49 PM

thanks for the update on the rooms...

we are intersted in the 2BR Dedicated, so this helps to get an idea where they are and guesstimate the views :thumbsup2

wdrl

08-07-2009, 05:29 PM

I have updated my Numbers spreadsheet to show DVD declarations by Unit and Use Year. This data is as of 8/07/2009.

http://i124.photobucket.com/albums/p30/wdrl/l8W80s.jpg

The term "unit" does not mean a separate DVC accommodation, such a GV or 2-bedroom villa. DVD is declaring BLT to the DVC in phases. They have designated 92 phases for BLT. Each phase has two or three units, and each unit has one or two two-bedrooms villas, or one Grand Villa. For example, Phase 14 has unit 14a, with two two-bedroom villas in it, and unit 14b, with one two-bedroom villa in it. The number of points assigned to each unit is dependent on the square footage of the villas in the unit. A unit with one two-bedroom has about 19,640 points assigned to it. A unit with two two-bedrooms has about 39,280 points assigned to it. A unit with a Grand Villa has about 34,975 assigned to it. Each floor from the 4th to the 12th has 17 units and accounts for 432,080 points.

lark

08-08-2009, 02:31 AM

wdrl

08-08-2009, 10:17 AM

This thread rocks.

I find the configuration maps really interesting. Does anyone have a sense yet of which rooms are the one that are designated MK view? Will it only be the ones in the center section? That certainly seems to be the case. Putting the GVs to the side, there are 54 2BR units in the center section facing the MK. This is out of a total of 267 2BR units, for almost exactly 20 percent -- the often repeated number.

However, in this center section, most of the units are dedicated 2BR. There are only 18 lock offs, so that would suggest only 18 true 1 BR or studios with MK view. So, while 20 percent of the overall units may have MK views, only about 12 percent of the studios or 1 BRs have MK views -- and there are only 18 of each total.

I think this means that once the resort is sold, 1 BR and studio MK views are going to be very hard to come by. And if you assume that at least some of the lockoffs are going to be locked off, it also means that a higher proportion of the 2BRs than 20 percent will be MK views.

You make a very interesting point. I also suspect, but don't know for a fact, that all of the MK view villas are located on center portion of the BLT crescent; there are villas on the north portion from which you can see the MK, but they are labelled as LV rooms (see Jonesmatny's live trip blog from BLT). Lark estimates there are only 54 two-bedroom villas that will be labelled as MK view. However, I think there are 62 villas that are MK views. I think Lark counted only those villas on floors 4 through 12. However, in someone's trip report, I thought I read that they were assigned an MK view villa on the 3rd floor. I wonder if the 2nd and 3rd floors will be considered MK views. We'll need to get confirmation from a reliable source on this point.

chrisw127

08-08-2009, 10:40 AM

I had some questions about availability and was directed to this thread all I can say is WOW!! and Thanks!!!:thanks:

I've got to concur. Thanks.

dizfan

08-08-2009, 11:52 AM

lark

08-08-2009, 12:23 PM

Thanks everyone. In looking at the plans, and in looking at the other newest resort (VGC), I'm a bit surprised at how many dedicated 2 BRs there are.

I wonder what the purpose is for having so many. Looking at the floorplans, they are identical in size and nearly identical in floorplan (except for the kitchenette of course).

I would have thought that lockoffs would be much more desirable for disney, since it gives them so much more flexibility. Is it customer demand that makes people who want 2BRs demand the dedicated units? Or is there some zoning or other monetary benefit that they get if they have more dedicated units and thus fewer overall potential units? I would think it would tend to make 1 BRs and studios sell out faster. I can't imagine why that would be in disney's interest.

DVCGeek

08-08-2009, 01:33 PM

I would think it would tend to make 1 BRs and studios sell out faster. I can't imagine why that would be in disney's interest.

I hate to be a Mouse conspiracy theorist but maybe to try and 'force' people to use (& therefore buy?) more points than they otherwise would? :confused3 I dunno; I am looking to try and always book a studio and therefore use my DVC to stay at a Deluxe for less than what a std. view moderate with 20% AAA discount would have cost me! :banana: Maybe that isn't the type of consumer DVD really wants???

dismedvc

08-10-2009, 08:08 PM

You make a very interesting point. I also suspect, but don't know for a fact, that all of the MK view villas are located on center portion of the BLT crescent; there are villas on the north portion from which you can see the MK, but they are labelled as LV rooms (see Jonesmatny's live trip blog from BLT). Lark estimates there are only 54 two-bedroom villas that will be labelled as MK view. However, I think there are 62 villas that are MK views. I think Lark counted only those villas on floors 4 through 12. However, in someone's trip report, I thought I read that they were assigned an MK view villa on the 3rd floor. I wonder if the 2nd and 3rd floors will be considered MK views. We'll need to get confirmation from a reliable source on this point.

If the third floor of the center section is MK view, but not the second floor (as someone above was told by MS) then there are 58 2BR's MK views, and excluding the GV 58/267 = 21.7% MK view. Also, if all 27 of the 1st and 2nd floor 2BR's are catagorized as standard view, that makes 27/267 or 10.1% Standard view.

To get the percentages to work out closer to what has been reported earlier (20% MK and 11% SV) the numbers in the paragraph above would have to be adjusted to have 4 2BR's removed from MK view and added to SV since 54/267 = 20.2% and 31/267= 11.6%. I wonder if those 4 2BR's on the 3rd floor center section were originally planned to be catagorized as SV?

wdrl

08-10-2009, 10:25 PM

If the third floor of the center section is MK view, but not the second floor (as someone above was told by MS) then there are 58 2BR's MK views, and excluding the GV 58/267 = 21.7% MK view. Also, if all 27 of the 1st and 2nd floor 2BR's are catagorized as standard view, that makes 27/267 or 10.1% Standard view.

To get the percentages to work out closer to what has been reported earlier (20% MK and 11% SV) the numbers in the paragraph above would have to be adjusted to have 4 2BR's removed from MK view and added to SV since 54/267 = 20.2% and 31/267= 11.6%. I wonder if those 4 2BR's on the 3rd floor center section were originally planned to be catagorized as SV?

You make a very good point. Your math supports the idea that the third floor rooms were originally included in the standard-view category and subsequently redefined as MK-view rooms.

dizfan

08-10-2009, 10:51 PM

Updated 8/21/09.

I've been going through all the BLT contracts on the OCC web site.

I went through all contracts listed as Grantor: Disney Vacation Development (so any contract that doesn't have that name, I missed).
Initially went through all Deeds and Deed Mortgages for each unit that's been declared (1A - 99C) from 9/1/2008 - 7/24/2009. Only checked the attachment (photocopy of the document) for those listed with the word Bay or Contemporary or no description.
Then, I went through all Deeds and Deed Mortgages from 7/25-8/17/2009. Only checked the attachment (photocopy of the document) for those listed with the word Bay or Contemporary or no description.
At present, the OCC web site states all documents through 8/17/2009 have been proofed, so I did not go through documents after that date.

I did not look at contracts documented for Boardwalk, Saratoga, Wilderness, etc so if the OCC put the wrong Legal description for those, I missed them

Contracts are documented several weeks/days after they have been submitted to Disney Vacation Development, so this is really a snapshot of sales data from 2-6 weeks ago.

Here's what I've found in the documented contracts through 8/17/2009
11808 total contracts
1,965,641 total points sold

Room UY Cont Sold Total
02A Feb 228 38002 39280
02B Mar 130 18623 19640
03A Mar 252 35730 39280
03B Apr 136 19083 19640
04A Apr 244 35256 39280
04B Jun 125 19008 19640
05A --- --- ------- -------
05B Aug 130 18414 19640
05C Aug 129 19033 19640
06A Sep 234 35350 39280
06B Sep 133 19199 19640
07A Oct 138 18842 19640
07B Oct 142 18058 19640
07C Dec 130 18916 19640
08A Dec 260 36441 39280
08B Feb 101 19236 19640
09A Dec 115 18108 19640
09B Feb 115 18843 19640
09C Feb 114 19204 19640
10A Mar 102 16386 39280
10B Apr 134 17444 19640
11A Feb 102 17992 19640
11B Feb 92 17926 19640
11C Feb 110 17811 19640
12A Jun 315 37275 39280
12B Feb 104 18858 39280
13A Aug 165 18363 19640
13B Feb 99 17264 19640
13C Feb 93 18228 19640
14A Feb 174 34589 39280
14B Oct 129 18229 19640
15A Feb 83 15960 19640
15B Dec 72 5838 19640
15C Feb 110 19121 19640
16A Dec 154 21988 39280
16B Feb 95 18175 19640
17A Feb 100 18768 19640
17B Feb 97 17662 19640
17C Feb 96 18392 19640
18A Dec 205 27501 39280
18B Feb 96 17997 19640
19A Feb 102 18680 19640
19B Sep 103 16027 19640
19C Jun 201 34132 39280
20A Feb 234 37350 39280
20B --- --- ------ ------
21A Sep 16 2127 19640
21B Sep 56 8491 19640
21C Sep 59 7106 19640
22A Feb 190 36611 39280
22B Aug 58 7820 19640
23A Feb 194 37085 39280
23B Oct 68 9512 19640
24A Feb 105 18200 19640
24B Feb 96 18475 19640
24C Feb 97 18600 19640
25A Feb 196 37630 39280
25B Feb 109 18383 19640
26A Feb 101 18577 19640
26B Feb 105 18260 19640
26C Feb 203 38340 39280
27A Feb 186 36913 39280
27B Feb 99 18115 19640
28A Feb 99 17651 19640
28B Feb 93 18049 19640
28C Feb 95 17564 19640
29A Feb 179 34771 39280
29B Feb 98 18448 19640
30A Feb 194 37826 39280
30B Feb 96 18036 19640
31A Apr 48 6218 19640
31B Feb 57 10730 19640
31C Feb 67 11667 19640
32A Aug 154 21110 39280
32B Jun 4 800 19640
33A Jun 22 3610 19640
33B Jun 6 865 19640
33C Feb 179 35009 39280
34A Feb 171 32322 39280
34B Feb 29 5385 19640
35A Feb 8 1490 19640
35B Feb 11 1867 19640
35C Jun 1 350 19640
36A Feb 159 31792 39280
36B --- --- ------ ------
37A Feb 118 23360 39280
37B --- --- ------ ------
38A --- --- ------ ------
38B --- --- ------ ------
38C --- --- ------ ------
39A Feb 177 31578 39280
39B --- --- ------ ------
40A --- --- ------ ------
40B --- --- ------ ------
40C --- --- ------ ------
82A Mar 193 28678 34975
82B Feb 176 31792 34975
82C Jun 201 28651 34975
87A Feb 173 32230 34975
87B Feb 170 30945 34975
87C Feb 89 16526 19640
88A Feb 173 31061 34975
88B Feb 164 29695 34975
88C Feb 106 17319 19640
89A Feb 137 24699 34975
89B --- --- ------ ------
89C --- --- ------ ------

wdrl

08-10-2009, 11:24 PM

I've been going through all the BLT contracts on the OCC web site. I'm sure I missed some, entered some wrong information, but I also found a few contracts that were not entered correctly by the OCC.

Wow, Dizfan, you have done a LOT of work gathering this information! I've looked at only a handful of Units, such as my own, and its sometimes tedious to go through the OCC records. Its almost fun to run across records that were incorrectly input at OCC. Just today, I found several Marriott timeshare contracts that were mislabeled as DVD contracts.

I'm still amazed at how heavily skewed the UYs are toward February. I keep thinking that Disney will begin emphasizing another UY month, but it is still selling a lot of February contracts. I wonder if other resorts are heavily skewed to one UY month.

Thanks for the post!

lark

08-11-2009, 01:12 AM

I'm still amazed at how heavily skewed the UYs are toward February. I keep thinking that Disney will begin emphasizing another UY month, but it is still selling a lot of February contracts. I wonder if other resorts are heavily skewed to one UY month.

It is rather amazing. I read a while back on these boards that Disney "must" sell an equal number of points in each use year. I think it's safe to conclude from the data on BLT that this is plainly misinformation, at least for BLT. Even if they didn't sell another single February contract, it's already into the 20 percent range of the total points.

I would think this must mean one of three things: (1) there is very heavy demand for February use years, (2) February is the default use year if the purchaser doesn't specify, or (3) at some period, disney was compelling people to puchase February.

I haven't heard anyone claim number 3 to be the case, but who knows? As to demand, I could see where February would be a decent use year -- it requires you to make your banking decision once summer is over, but also is good for spring break planners. Still, I can't see it being more popular than, say, June, by many multiples. So my hunch is that it must be the use year that you end up with if you don't request a particular use year.

As a practical matter, that doesn't surprise me, particularly if disney thinks sales will continue to be brisk for the rest of 2009. First, for those that buy in 2009, getting a February use year means they will get their second alotment of points -- 2010 points -- as soon as possible, since February is the first use year of the calendar year. Also, starting really soon, I bet disney will not really be selling too much February use year to new purchasers, because it compels them to make a pretty quick decision whether to bank their 2009 points, so I would think that February use year points are close to "sold out," at least until next year. I guess what's most surprising about the data is that it tends to suggest the vast bulk of DVC purchasers do not demand a particular use year, such that a default can have these kind of stats.

mousescrapper

08-11-2009, 10:05 AM

I am such a newbie DVC member so can't really get into all the :teacher: number stuff...

but just wanted to chime in on two points....

one we bought into DVC the very end of March 09 and our use year is February.

two...someone was questioning why Disney would offer so many 2BR D vs the lock-offs. Personally this is why we bought into DVC.

If Disney wants more families to buy, 2 BR D is a huge incentive and buying perk. We are a family of 6 and I don't want to buy in and still have "2-rooms" I can pay that money and stay at CBR then....kwim.

Having 1 big space that I don't need to worry my kids could get out or accidently into the 2nd kitchen area...is a reassurance.

Yes there will be times over our 50 yrs we'll book a studio or a 1BR, but for the most part it will always be 2BR D as our ressie request...

hope that makes some sense from a busy mom of 4.

:goodvibes

wdrl

08-11-2009, 12:18 PM

I had some fun playing with the numbers trying to answer the question: How many points would it take to book all the rooms in BLT for a year?

In making the calculations, I made the following assumptions in my first pass through the data:

I used the 2010 Points Chart for BLT

I used 365 days from 1/1/2010 to 12/31/2010

I assumed there were the following room configurations:
Grand Villas-6 MK, 8 LV
2-bedrooms 38 MK, 70 LV, 9 S
1-bedrooms 20 MK, 112 LV, 18 S (these villas represent the L/O 2-BR)
Studios 20 MK, 112 LV, 18 S (these villas represent the L/O 2-BR)

I then did a second pass of the numbers in which I counted each L/O 2-BR as a 2-bedroom villa.

I then reduced the total points by 1/52 (1.923%). This is necessary because each villa has only 51 use weeks in a year. The 52nd use week is set aside for maintenance, down time, etc.

In arriving at the number of villas per view, I assumed that the villas on the 1st and 2nd floors will be Standard views, that the villas in the center section of the BLT crescent beginning on the 3rd floor and facing the MK will be MK views, and that all the remaining villas will be LV. Note: I came up with a mix of dedicated vs. L/O villas of 117/150. TSMIII indicates that the mix should be 120/147. Until Phases 91 and 92 are declared, we won't know for sure how DVD will configure the top floor.

In the first pass (with L/O 2-BRs counting as studios and 1-bedrooms), I calculated a grand total of 6,193,176 points, which is reduced to 6,074,076 points to account for the 51 use weeks.

In the second pass (with L/O 2-BRs counting as 2-bedroom villas), I calculated a grand total of 5,741,676 points, which is reduced to 5,631,259 points to account for the 51 use weeks.

By comparison, an analysis of the BLT Declarations and deed contracts on the OCC website would indicate DVD has 5,825,540 points to sell (see my prior post #58).

What does all this mean? Well, if you have read this far in the post, then you are probably a math geek. Its just my way of trying to understand a little more about how DVD runs a resort. I assume that DVD can't sell more points than can occupy the resort for one calendar year. Therefore, either DVD has to compute occupancy based on a mix of studios and 1-BRs, as well as 2-BRs and GVs, or the 5.8 million point total I've computed based on recorded deeds is in error.

As BLT gets closer to being sold out, I can look at the numbers and see how close any of these estimates are to the final numbers.

I wonder if I should change by name from wdrl to wtmtomh (way too much time on my hands)???

dismedvc

08-11-2009, 12:48 PM

I have always wondered how Disney deals with the possibility that if all the lock off 2 BR are booked as 2 BR, the total number of points needed to book every room in the resort for the entire year, would be lower that if some of those LO are reserved as 1 BR and studios. Maybe that is why Disney typically holds 2-4% of the points themselves. I think that is in addition to the 1/52 reduction you factored in, but I am not sure.

Thanks for the info, sincerely, AWTMTOMH (the first A is for also)

DVCGeek

08-11-2009, 02:59 PM

As BLT gets closer to being sold out, I can look at the numbers and see how close any of these estimates are to the final numbers.

I wonder if I should change by name from wdrl to wtmtomh (way too much time on my hands)???

I thought Disney held back 2-3% of the rooms worth of pointsfor maintenance windows, NOT a full Use Week at each one. I love all your math though, interesting read!

DVCGeek

08-11-2009, 03:03 PM

If Disney wants more families to buy, 2 BR D is a huge incentive and buying perk. We are a family of 6 and I don't want to buy in and still have "2-rooms" I can pay that money and stay at CBR then....kwim.

Having 1 big space that I don't need to worry my kids could get out or accidently into the 2nd kitchen area...is a reassurance.

Yes there will be times over our 50 yrs we'll book a studio or a 1BR, but for the most part it will always be 2BR D as our ressie request...

hope that makes some sense from a busy mom of 4.

:goodvibes

That makes total sense and I never looked at it from that perspective! I guess it is all about target audience. I always saw the L/O's as better due to the increased flexibility, but I guess the dedicateds do have an important place. Hopefully there will still be enough studios around (especially at VGC!) for me to get my 11 month ressies. That's all I ask! ;) Thanks for sharing. :thumbsup2

dismedvc

08-11-2009, 05:11 PM

That makes total sense and I never looked at it from that perspective! I guess it is all about target audience. I always saw the L/O's as better due to the increased flexibility, but I guess the dedicateds do have an important place. Hopefully there will still be enough studios around (especially at VGC!) for me to get my 11 month ressies. That's all I ask! ;) Thanks for sharing. :thumbsup2

Our original home resort is BWV which does not have any dedicated 2BR. However, I have called three times at the 7 month mark to get a 2 BR at BCV for my sister so her kids can go to SAB, and although I have always been able to get a 2 BR at BCV at the 7 month window, no dedicated 2 BR have ever been available, only a lock-off 2 BR. It therefore seems possible that lots of members feel like mousescrapper and prefer the dedicated, although it would be dangerous to draw a conclusion from a sample of three.

HOWEVER, it might not be a preference for dedicated 2 BR. Another reason that only lock-offs are available at 7 months is that a previous post indicated BCV has 78 dedicated and 74 lock-off 2 BR's, but when a member requests a 2 BR, the dedicated are assigned first, unless a lock off is specifically requested, so they can keep the lock offs for people who want a 1 BR or a studio. Only after they run out of dedicated do they start using the lock offs for members who request a 2 BR.

After re-reading the above I guess it really doesn't come to a conclusion. I thought about just deleting it, but maybe someone will find it useful.

lark

08-11-2009, 05:49 PM

By comparison, an analysis of the BLT Declarations and deed contracts on the OCC website would indicate DVD has 5,825,540 points to sell (see my prior post #58).

I think it's worth noting that there is an assumption embedded here. You're assuming that every phase will continue to have exactly the same number of points sold. That's probably a legitimate assumption, but not necessarily.

I expect that the last phase sold might not have exactly the number you would expect that came before it. I mean, it's reasonable to assume they took the total amount of points and then apportioned them equally among the units. Or, there may be some other reason the points per unit are as they are, and they will get to the final number they hope to get to by tweaking the last sold phase. (Just to give an example, if you assume they want to sell exactly 5.8 million points, perhaps the last unit would only sell 13,740 points instead of 39,280. Unlikely, but perhaps.

My hunch, though, on all this is that there is a set number of 1 BRs and studios that disney has already determined it will not allow to be reserved as combined 2 BRs. And, I'll be further, that you're going to be able to figure out exactly how many those are when the final data is compiled!

TSMIII

08-11-2009, 09:52 PM

Our original home resort is BWV which does not have any dedicated 2BR. However, I have called three times at the 7 month mark to get a 2 BR at BCV for my sister so her kids can go to SAB, and although I have always been able to get a 2 BR at BCV at the 7 month window, no dedicated 2 BR have ever been available, only a lock-off 2 BR. It therefore seems possible that lots of members feel like mousescrapper and prefer the dedicated, although it would be dangerous to draw a conclusion from a sample of three.

HOWEVER, it might not be a preference for dedicated 2 BR. Another reason that only lock-offs are available at 7 months is that a previous post indicated BCV has 78 dedicated and 74 lock-off 2 BR's, but when a member requests a 2 BR, the dedicated are assigned first, unless a lock off is specifically requested, so they can keep the lock offs for people who want a 1 BR or a studio. Only after they run out of dedicated do they start using the lock offs for members who request a 2 BR.
After re-reading the above I guess it really doesn't come to a conclusion. I thought about just deleting it, but maybe someone will find it useful.

This makes perfect sense and I'd venture a guess that the same logic is applied at those resorts that have dedicated Studios and 1BRs. By assigning the Dedicated villas first, the Lockoffs are left unassigned longer, thus preserving some flexibility for filling reservation requests as the resort continues to fill up. Only once one or more categories are completely booked do members run into availability problems.

wdrl

08-12-2009, 12:43 PM

Two more units have started appearing on BLT contracts being recorded on the Orange County Comptroller's website. These units, 34b and 35a, are February UY.

UPDATE 8/16/2009 - Three more units have appeared on recorded deeds on the OCC website. Only one (35b) has a February UY. The others are 33b (October) and 35c(June).

UPDATE 8/23/2009 - Three more Units have appeared on recorded deeds on the OCC website. All three (36b, 37b, and 40C) have a February UY.

UPDATE 9/11/2009 - DVD declared Phases 41, 42, 43, 44, 45, and 46 for the DVC. These Phases have a total of 14 Units and 353,520 points. At the time of this new Declaration, there were 9 Units from prior Declarations that had yet to have deeds recorded on the OCC website.

http://i124.photobucket.com/albums/p30/wdrl/0001u2.jpg

lark

08-12-2009, 12:56 PM

dismedvc

08-12-2009, 01:35 PM

Similar to the question asked by lark above: Does a declared unit have to be a MK view in order for a MK view to be added to DVC inventory?

kmann728

08-12-2009, 01:46 PM

35B should be showing up soon. That's the unit that I own part of and I have an estimated closing date of Sept 6. I also have a Feb UY.

wdrl

08-12-2009, 05:28 PM

Does the particular phase that's been declared or sold have any significance?

I've read some stuff on this board that suggests a room category can go into dvc inventory only when a corresponding phase with that room category is declared/sold.

Is that true? For example, say that right now, the sold phases at BLT contain 65 lockoffs. Does this mean that only 65 1 BRs and 65 studios are available for DVC reservations? Or can DVC allow reservations in any combination of units, so long as the overall points correspond to the number of points sold?

I believe that only accommodations are considered; points, or point values, are not used as a determinant in DVC accommodations. Here is what is stated in the BLT Declaration of Condominium, Exhibit G, part III, section 3.7 about reciprocal use by DVD and Club Members: At any given time, DVD may own completed Vacation Homes which have not yet been committed to the Vacation Ownership Plan for various reasons. In order to provide Club Members with the greatest possible flexibility in making reservation requests, Club Members may be assigned to occupy both Vacation Homes which are associated with the Vacation Ownership Plan and completed accommodations which have not yet been committed to the Vacation Ownership Plan; however,the total number of accommodations available for Club Member reservation for any given Use Day will never exceed the total number of Vacation Homes existing within the Vacation Ownership Plan on that Use Day. Conversely, DVD may assign its renters or other users of the completed accommodations which have not yet been committed to the Vacation Ownership Plan to occupy both those Vacation Homes which are committed to the Vacation Ownership Plan and those accommodations which are not; however,the number of total Vacation Homes available for DVD renter/user reservation for any given Use Day will never exceed the total number of completed accommodations which have not yet been committed to the Vacation Ownership Plan on that Use Day. In addition, completed accommodations which have not yet been committed to the Vacation Ownership Plan may be available through rental or an incidental benefit plan offered by DVD.

As you see, the citation only mentions "completed accommodations." It doesn't seem to specify that reciprocity requires the accommodations must have the same status (lockoff or dedicated). If DVC had a total of 130 2-BR villas, with 65 as lockoffs and 65 as dedicated, we know DVC members could book as many as 130 2-BR villas. But if we book 130 studios and 1-BR villas, DVD would have to take 65 lockoffs out of its inventory and trade it for 65 dedicated 2-BR from DVC's inventory.

I suspect that the vague wording in the Declaration of Condominium allows DVD to exercise some operational flexibility in this area. If there is a greater demand from cash paying customers for one configuration over the other, than I can see DVD trading accommodations with DVC.

I'll just add this to my list of things I don't know the answer to.

Similar to the question asked by lark above: Does a declared unit have to be a MK view in order for a MK view to be added to DVC inventory?

As in my answer (or actually non-answer) above, I don't think the Declaration of Condominium is specific regarding view. Practically speaking, however, I don't think DVD would let DVC use its full complement of declared rooms to book all of the MK view rooms. So, I feel a little more confident is presuming that Yes-A declared unit has to have a MK view for an MK-view accommodation to be added to the DVC inventory.

Perhaps I should change my name from wdrl to iwikwiwta (I wish I knew what I was talking about).

wdrl

08-12-2009, 05:51 PM

35B should be showing up soon. That's the unit that I own part of and I have an estimated closing date of Sept 6. I also have a Feb UY.

Thanks for the heads-up about Unit 35b. BTW, Unit 35b, your piece of the Mouse, is on the sixth floor. As you walk toward BLT on the walkway from the Contemporary Resort, it will be one floor above and the first unit on your right on the southern section of BLT's crescent. It is a lockoff two-bedroom unit with a Lake View.

We've been waiting for deeds from Units 35a, 35b, and 35c to appear on the OCC website. These units were declared for the DVC by DVD back on April 21, 2009.

Welcome Home!

lark

08-12-2009, 06:39 PM

As in my answer (or actually non-answer) above, I don't think the Declaration of Condominium is specific regarding view. Practically speaking, however, I don't think DVD would let DVC use its full complement of declared rooms to book all of the MK view rooms. So, I feel a little more confident is presuming that Yes-A declared unit has to have a MK view for an MK-view accommodation to be added to the DVC inventory.

That's interesting. If true, it would mean that inventory is very modest right now for 1 BR and Studios with MK views.

Since they are declaring from the bottom up, and since the first two floors do not have MK views, and since there are only 2 MK view lockoffs on each floor, it looks to me as though we're talking about only 9 of each being currently declared.

kmann728

08-12-2009, 06:51 PM

lark

08-12-2009, 08:01 PM

We just bought today too. I should get my stuff next week, and I'll post the relevant details if it shows a new unit or phase. We're a June use year, so I'm sort of hoping for 82C, since it would be nice to own a piece of a grand villa.

wdrl

08-12-2009, 09:21 PM

That's interesting. If true, it would mean that inventory is very modest right now for 1 BR and Studios with MK views.

Since they are declaring from the bottom up, and since the first two floors do not have MK views, and since there are only 2 MK view lockoffs on each floor, it looks to me as though we're talking about only 9 of each being currently declared.

Good point; DVC may have only 9 MK view lockoff villas that are declared and that we can book. But as I mentioned in my PP #82, perhaps DVD can trade up to 11 of the undeclared MK view lockoff rooms to the DVC in exchange for up to 11 of DVC's MK view dedicated rooms. So perhaps we have 20 MK studios and 1-BR villas available for DVC reservations???

dismedvc

08-12-2009, 10:32 PM

Thanks for the heads-up about Unit 35b. BTW, Unit 35b, your piece of the Mouse, is on the sixth floor. As you walk toward BLT on the walkway from the Contemporary Resort, it will be one floor above and the first unit on your right on the southern section of BLT's crescent. It is a lockoff two-bedroom unit with a Lake View.

Hey wdrl, I know you have been trying to figure out how many total points are avaialble ar BLT, and the "wild card" seems to be how does Disney treat the 2 BR lock-offs (more points if they are rented as a 1 BR and a studio and less points if they are rented as a 2 BR). However, if unit 35b is a lake view lock-off, and if 100 points represented a .XXXX ownership interest in unit 35b, it seems like you could figure out how many points it would take to rent that unit for the entire year. That might give you some insight into how may weeks Disney assumes it will be rented as a 2BR and how many weeks it will be rented as a 1 BR and a Studio. However, maybe this is a case of iwikwiwta

DVCGeek

08-12-2009, 10:41 PM

Hey wdrl, I know you have been trying to figure out how many total points are avaialble ar BLT, and the "wild card" seems to be how does Disney treat the 2 BR lock-offs (more points if they are rented as a 1 BR and a studio and less points if they are rented as a 2 BR). However, if unit 35b is a lake view lock-off, and if 100 points represented a .XXXX ownership interest in unit 35a, it seems like you could figure out how many points it would take to rent that unit for the entire year. That might give you some insight into how may weeks Disney assumes it will be rented as a 2BR and how many weeks it will be rented as a 1 BR and a Studio. However, maybe this is a case of iwikwiwta

I wonndered about this type of extrapolation as well. Looking at the contracts, does each unit appear to have the same number of points based on points / ownership % = total in the unti, or does it vary? Maybe we could also use that to help decipher views??? :confused:

mousescrapper

08-13-2009, 10:22 AM

35B should be showing up soon. That's the unit that I own part of and I have an estimated closing date of Sept 6. I also have a Feb UY.

We just bought today too. I should get my stuff next week, and I'll post the relevant details if it shows a new unit or phase. We're a June use year, so I'm sort of hoping for 82C, since it would be nice to own a piece of a grand villa.

:confused3 does it say in your paperwork what you "own" ?

curious...TIA

DenLo

08-13-2009, 10:54 AM

:confused3 does it say in your paperwork what you "own" ?

curious...TIA

Yes on the page labeled DEED, it will show something like this:

An undivided 0.8147% interest in Unit 34B of Bay Lake Tower at Disney's
Contemporary Resort .

The amount of interest percentage depends on the points you purchase and unit numbers will vary. Also further down in this document it will show your use year.

mousescrapper

08-13-2009, 11:53 AM

Yes on the page labeled DEED, it will show something like this:

An undivided 0.8147% interest in Unit 34B of Bay Lake Tower at Disney's
Contemporary Resort .

The interest percentage depending on the points you purchase and unit numbers will vary. Also further down in this document it will show your use year.

thanks....

I own part of Unit 30 A :goodvibes anyone know what that is?

wdrl

08-13-2009, 12:06 PM

thanks....

I own part of Unit 30 A :goodvibes anyone know what that is?

Unit 30a is on the sixth floor. It is on BLT's northern crescent facing outward (away from the pool). It is the last two two-bedroom villas on the floor (furtherest from the lobby). Unit 30a is comprised of a lockoff 2-BR and a dedicated 2-BR. About 39,280 points are assigned to 30a.

mousescrapper

08-13-2009, 12:56 PM

:thanks:

dizfan

08-13-2009, 06:15 PM

This afternoon, I updated the BLT documented sales information in post 67 of this thread. It includes all the contracts documented with the OCC that I could find. Through 8/7/2009 (current OCC proof date).

11469 contracts
1,905854 total points

Also wanted to point out that it sound like phase 1 will be used as a model. I forget the site, but they are saying BLT will have a model on the first floor available to from 2-4pm by appointment only. Guessing they are trying to make it easier for the DVC to sell to people at GF, Poly, CR, and MK.

LisaRN97

08-14-2009, 09:07 AM

So how do you fiqure where the unit is that is listed on your deed? Our deed says unit 3A..... I've tried looking at the pictures at the beginning of this thread and I get lost :confused3

DISNEY FIX

08-14-2009, 09:22 AM

Unit 30a is on the sixth floor. It is on BLT's northern crescent facing outward (away from the pool). It is the last two two-bedroom villas on the floor (furtherest from the lobby). Unit 30a is comprised of a lockoff 2-BR and a dedicated 2-BR. About 39,280 points are assigned to 30a.

Holy cow! :worship:

Could you tell me where Lake view rooms would be on the building?

wdrl

08-14-2009, 11:13 AM

So how do you fiqure where the unit is that is listed on your deed? Our deed says unit 3A..... I've tried looking at the pictures at the beginning of this thread and I get lost :confused3

Unit 3a is on the first floor on BLT's southern crescent facing toward the Contemporary Resort. It consists of two 2-BR lockoff units. Since it is on the first floor, we assume it is considered a standard view.

I've based my description of your unit, as well as the others, on the Condo Recordings filed by DVD with the Orange County Comptroller (OCC). DVD declared Unit 3A for the DVC on 10/15/08 as the first amendment to the Declaration of Condominium. Here is the link to that document: https://officialrecords.occompt.com/recorder/eagleweb/downloads/myPdf.pdf?&parent=DOC312S9047. If you go to page 9, you will see a map of BLT and the floor plans of Unit 3a.

As DVD declares more units (we are up to the ninth amendment), we can easily figure out the locations of the other Units that comprise BLT. The units start on the first floor and go from left to right (when looking from BLT's front) all the way up to the top floor.

Does this help?

wdrl

08-14-2009, 01:10 PM

Holy cow! :worship:

Could you tell me where Lake view rooms would be on the building?

As best we can determine, the standard views are all the villas on the 1st and 2nd floors; the MK views are on floors 3-15 and only on the center part of BLT's crescent that faces the Magic Kingdom. Everything else will be Lake View villas. BTW - I think some of the Lake View villas on BLT's northern crescent (North is to the left when facing BLT's main entrance) facing away from the pool have incredible views of MK. See photo and postings in this thread on the DVC Planning Board: http://www.disboards.com/showthread.php?t=2257082

Keep in mind, this is just a very educated guess based on reports from 1st time visitors and earlier estimates of the mix of BLT's standard, LV, and MK room counts.

LisaRN97

08-14-2009, 04:19 PM

Unit 3a is on the first floor on BLT's southern crescent facing toward the Contemporary Resort. It consists of two 2-BR lockoff units. Since it is on the first floor, we assume it is considered a standard view.

I've based my description of your unit, as well as the others, on the Condo Recordings filed by DVD with the Orange County Comptroller (OCC). DVD declared Unit 3A for the DVC on 10/15/08 as the first amendment to the Declaration of Condominium. Here is the link to that document: https://officialrecords.occompt.com/recorder/eagleweb/downloads/myPdf.pdf?&parent=DOC312S9047. If you go to page 9, you will see a map of BLT and the floor plans of Unit 3a.

As DVD declares more units (we are up to the ninth amendment), we can easily figure out the locations of the other Units that comprise BLT. The units start on the first floor and go from left to right (when looking from BLT's front) all the way up to the top floor.

Does this help?

Thanks for all the info! Do they randomly assign units to people's deeds or is there a system to it? We didn't buy in until the end of April 09, perhaps this section was under development at the time? And I wonder if this has any effect on the room you will be given when making a ressie?

I tried to look at your link, but you need to have a login, which I don't:confused3

Thanks again for all your information!!!!

dizfan

08-14-2009, 04:24 PM

LisaRN97

08-14-2009, 04:27 PM

The link works now...not sure what I did the first time! This was really neat, I printed some pages out!!

mousescrapper

08-14-2009, 05:38 PM

As best we can determine, the standard views are all the villas on the 1st and 2nd floors; the MK views are on floors 3-15 and only on the center part of BLT's crescent that faces the Magic Kingdom. Everything else will be Lake View villas. BTW - I think some of the Lake View villas on BLT's northern crescent (North is to the left when facing BLT's main entrance) facing away from the pool have incredible views of MK. See photo and postings in this thread on the DVC Planning Board: http://www.disboards.com/showthread.php?t=2257082

Keep in mind, this is just a very educated guess based on reports from 1st time visitors and earlier estimates of the mix of BLT's standard, LV, and MK room counts.

thanks for the info once again and the link...I subbed in there too to follow :thumbsup2

wdrl

08-14-2009, 08:09 PM

Thanks for all the info! Do they randomly assign units to people's deeds or is there a system to it? We didn't buy in until the end of April 09, perhaps this section was under development at the time? And I wonder if this has any effect on the room you will be given when making a ressie?

I tried to look at your link, but you need to have a login, which I don't:confused3

Thanks again for all your information!!!!

After viewing deeds recorded for BLT, I suspect that units are assigned to buyers' deeds in a "random, but orderly" manner. DVD appears to randomly assign new contracts to a handful of Units until most of the points are distributed. Once those Units are "full", DVD seems to move on to another handful of Units. Units 38a, 38b, and 38c were recently declared for DVC in July, and I would suspect that DVD might start assigning people to those Units fairly soon.

Of course, much depends on the UY requested by the buyer and the UY assigned to a Unit by DVD. If a buyer demands a March UY, then he/she will be assigned either Unit 02b, 03a, 10a, or 82a, which are the only Units with March UY so far, or a brand new unit that has yet to be assigned. If you look at dizfan's post #67, Units 02b and 03a are close to being sold out, but Unit 10a has almost 24,000 points left. So, the chances that a new March UY buyer would be assigned 02b or 03a is probably quite low.

The Unit assigned to your contract has no bearing on your reservation. But since I have a 0.6005% interest in Unit 87a, which is Grand Villa, I can't help but think the light bulb in the refrigerator in that fancy villa is mine, all mine!

DISNEY FIX

08-15-2009, 05:10 AM

As best we can determine, the standard views are all the villas on the 1st and 2nd floors; the MK views are on floors 3-15 and only on the center part of BLT's crescent that faces the Magic Kingdom. Everything else will be Lake View villas. BTW - I think some of the Lake View villas on BLT's northern crescent (North is to the left when facing BLT's main entrance) facing away from the pool have incredible views of MK. See photo and postings in this thread on the DVC Planning Board: http://www.disboards.com/showthread.php?t=2257082

Keep in mind, this is just a very educated guess based on reports from 1st time visitors and earlier estimates of the mix of BLT's standard, LV, and MK room counts.

Thank you for the info and all the hard work you put into this thread!
In your opinion would it seem that the rooms inside of the c shape would be less desireable than on the outside? I would have thought that they would be standard view and lake wiew would be everything else above the 3rd that isn't MK view.
Thanks again.:goodvibes

wdrl

08-15-2009, 10:05 AM

In your opinion would it seem that the rooms inside of the c shape would be less desireable than on the outside? I would have thought that they would be standard view and lake wiew would be everything else above the 3rd that isn't MK view.
Thanks again.:goodvibes

I could see why some might think the villas on the outside of BLT's crescent are more desirable than those on the inside. You might see the Magic Kingdom, the monorail, Seven Seas Lagoon, the CR, and perhaps even Epcot from an "outside" room, while an "inside" room has the pool and Bay Lake, and as LuvAriel states in Post 110 below, views of Epcot. But we all have different tastes and I can understand why some will be quite happy to have an "inside" room.

I wonder if, or when, we might see DVD tweak the BLT points chart to respond to villa demand by members. Or if, or when, DVD might recategorize which villas constitute an MK view, a LK view, or a standard view. But that is a subject for a different thread.

work2play

08-15-2009, 10:59 AM

TSMIII- This is great stuff! I just wanted to let everyone know that I started a thread to track views, you can get to it here:

http://www.disboards.com/showthread.php?t=2257082

I used the format that TSMIII created and the data on room types posted. Thanks for the great thread!

DVCGeek

08-15-2009, 03:44 PM

This afternoon, I updated the BLT documented sales information in post 67 of this thread.
...
Also wanted to point out that it sound like phase 1 will be used as a model. I forget the site, but they are saying BLT will have a model on the first floor available to from 2-4pm by appointment only.

Thanks for doing the update! This might be the link you are referring to:

http://dvcnews.com/content/view/1000/1/

The Unit assigned to your contract has no bearing on your reservation. But since I have a 0.6005% interest in Unit 87a, which is Grand Villa, I can't help but think the light bulb in the refrigerator in that fancy villa is mine, all mine!

I own a 0.8147% interest in unit 13A (160 points / Aug. UY if anyone cares). That appears to be a lockoff, so I like to think I own not only the doorknob but also the artwork in studio #7226 (at least I think that might be the room number, and speculation makes it sound like a MK view but under the monorail :confused3...)! :rotfl:

flipflopmom

08-15-2009, 05:55 PM

I wonder if, or when, we might see DVD tweak the BLT points chart to respond to villa demand by members. Or if, or when, DVD might recategorize which villas constitute an MK view, a LK view, or a standard view. But that is a subject for a different thread.

I was wondering the same thing, since a lot of great MK view/lake view pics are coming in.... Wondered if those rooms would change to MK view instead of lake...

LuvAriel

08-15-2009, 06:05 PM

Hi I just got back & haven't had time to upload photo's but, I was in room 7911, Bay lake view. I was on the inside of the "C" & LOVED my view.

I could see the pool, the lake, Epcot, & Downtown Disney Character in Flight Baloon.

I loved it!!!

wdrl

08-16-2009, 02:59 PM

8/16/2009: I updated the chart in Post #78 to show three more BLT units have appeared on deeds recorded at the OCC website.

dizfan

08-19-2009, 10:29 AM

Updated BLT documented sales information in post #67 of this thread.

11808 BLT contracts recorded, 1,965,641 points sold

wdrl

08-24-2009, 05:15 PM

I updated the chart in Post #78, page 6, to reflect three more Units that have appeared on recorded deeds at the OCC website. BLT now has 60 Units with February UY. The other seven months have only 37 Units between them, with 10 declared Units not yet being used by DVD.

lark

08-24-2009, 05:17 PM

wdrl

08-24-2009, 06:02 PM

FYI -- just got my deed and it shows Unit 33A, which seems the unit de jour for June UYs.

I wonder whether Feburary use years will phase out a bit in the next couple of months. Right now, if you buy a February use year, you only have a couple of months to bank your 2009 points, although you do get your next year's points very quickly.

Unit 33a is right in the middle of BLT's crescent. Its a 2-bedroom dedicated villa with an MK view. According to work2play's thread (http://www.disboards.com/showthread.php?t=2257082), it looks like you have villa 7622 on the 6th floor!

I keep thinking we'll see the last of the February UYs, but they keep showing up on the recorded deeds. I think you are right that the banking issue might push new contracts in other UY. However, I've read on the disboards that Disney has been known to give buyers a small grace period/extension to bank points, especially if its the difference between making or not making a sale.

lark

08-24-2009, 07:42 PM

Unit 33a is right in the middle of BLT's crescent. Its a 2-bedroom dedicated villa with an MK view. According to work2play's thread (http://www.disboards.com/showthread.php?t=2257082), it looks like you have villa 7622 on the 6th floor!

Awesome! Maybe I'll request that particular unit some day.

NandK

08-25-2009, 12:52 PM

Subscribing right now. Thanks for the info.

deej696

08-25-2009, 09:35 PM

So if I have an upcoming ressie in a BL view studio, what room numbers should I be looking for if I would like a view overlooking the CR as well?

wdrl

08-25-2009, 11:39 PM

So if I have an upcoming ressie in a BL view studio, what room numbers should I be looking for if I would like a view overlooking the CR as well?

work2play has a very informative thread on the DVC-Planning board in which she has mapped out the Bay Lake Tower by room number and view type (see http://www.disboards.com/showthread.php?t=2257082). If you want a Lake View room that looks toward the Contemporary Resort, then you want a room on the outer side of the southern portion of BLT's crescent. It appears these rooms have even numbers starting with xx32 and above. You probably want to stay away from the odd number rooms because they are on the inside of BLT's crescent and face the pool.

Hope this information helps!

flipflopmom

08-27-2009, 06:23 AM

YAY! My deed just showed up on the official website! Ever since you posted the link to it, I've been checking daily. We're supposed to close on 9/5, (my birthday) we're getting closer!

dizfan

08-27-2009, 02:15 PM

Updated 10/13/09.

I've been going through all the BLT contracts on the OCC web site.

I went through all contracts listed as Grantor: Disney Vacation Development (so any contract that doesn't have that name, I missed).
Initially went through all Deeds and Deed Mortgages for each unit that's been declared (1A - 99C) from 9/1/2008 - 7/24/2009. Only checked the attachment (photocopy of the document) for those listed with the word Bay or Contemporary or no description.
Then, I went through all Deeds and Deed Mortgages from 7/25-10/08/2009. Only checked the attachment (photocopy of the document) for those listed with the word Bay or Contemporary or no description.
At present, the OCC web site states all documents through 10/08/2009 have been proofed, so I did not go through documents after that date.

I did not look at contracts documented for Boardwalk, Saratoga, Wilderness, etc so if the OCC put the wrong Legal description for those, I missed them

Contracts are documented several weeks/days after they have been submitted to Disney Vacation Development, so this is really a snapshot of sales data from 2-6 weeks ago.

Here's what I've found in the documented contracts through 10/08/2009
13,892 total contracts
2,315,843 total points sold

Unit UY #Cont Sold Total
02A Feb 228 38002 39280
02B Mar 134 18823 19640
03A Mar 257 36230 39280
03B Apr 137 19243 19640
04A Apr 253 36661 39280
04B Jun 125 19008 19640
05A --- 0 --- ---
05B Aug 138 18889 19640
05C Aug 129 19033 19640
06A Sep 234 35350 39280
06B Sep 133 19199 19640
07A Oct 138 18842 19640
07B Oct 142 18058 19640
07C Dec 130 18916 19640
08A Dec 264 36826 39280
08B Feb 101 19236 19640
09A Dec 116 18258 19640
09B Feb 116 19018 19640
09C Feb 114 19204 19640
10A Mar 188 28136 39280
10B Apr 135 17544 19640
11A Feb 102 17992 19640
11B Feb 94 18166 19640
11C Feb 111 17971 19640
12A Jun 315 37275 39280
12B Feb 105 19058 39280
13A Aug 165 18363 19640
13B Feb 99 17264 19640
13C Feb 95 18318 19640
14A Feb 176 35354 39280
14B Oct 135 18919 19640
15A Feb 83 15960 19640
15B Dec 90 8012 19640
15C Feb 110 19121 19640
16A Dec 207 30093 39280
16B Feb 96 18335 19640
17A Feb 101 18948 19640
17B Feb 98 17722 19640
17C Feb 96 18392 19640
18A Dec 267 35184 39280
18B Feb 98 18367 19640
19A Feb 103 18880 19640
19B Sep 104 16187 19640
19C Jun 211 35972 39280
20A Feb 236 37590 39280
20B --- 0 --- ---
21A Sep 16 2127 19640
21B Sep 80 12917 19640
21C Sep 100 13138 19640
22A Feb 193 37021 39280
22B Aug 58 7820 19640
23A Feb 194 37085 39280
23B Oct 81 11517 19640
24A Feb 109 18805 19640
24B Feb 98 18710 19640
24C Feb 97 18600 19640
25A Feb 197 37963 39280
25B Feb 110 18653 19640
26A Feb 103 19047 19640
26B Feb 106 18420 19640
26C Feb 205 38500 39280
27A Feb 193 38073 39280
27B Feb 102 18540 19640
28A Feb 103 18231 19640
28B Feb 97 18719 19640
28C Feb 101 18199 19640
29A Feb 189 36366 39280
29B Feb 106 19231 19640
30A Feb 199 38301 39280
30B Feb 98 18406 19640
31A Apr 111 15813 19640
31B Feb 90 16801 19640
31C Feb 105 17502 19640
32A Aug 213 29856 39280
32B Jun 8 1620 19640
33A Jun 104 16502 19640
33B Oct 55 7655 19640
33C Feb 192 36589 39280
34A Feb 191 35828 39280
34B Feb 92 15490 19640
35A Feb 91 16821 19640
35B Feb 93 17202 19640
35C Jun 34 5397 19640
36A Feb 182 36033 39280
36B Feb 82 14779 19640
37A Feb 170 33040 39280
37B Feb 71 13550 19640
38A --- 0 --- ---
38B --- 0 --- ---
38C --- 0 --- ---
39A Feb 194 35058 39280
39B --- 0 --- ---
40A --- 0 --- ---
40B --- 0 --- ---
40C Feb 180 32656 39280
41A Feb 69 13235 39280
41B Feb 71 13776 19640
42A Mar 0 --- 19640
42B --- 0 --- ---
42C --- 0 --- ---
43A Feb 133 24194 39280
43B --- 0 --- ---
44A Feb 29 5285 39280
44B --- 0 --- ---
45A --- 0 --- ---
45B --- 0 --- ---
45C --- 0 --- ---
46A --- 0 --- ---
46B --- 0 --- ---
82A Mar 212 31333 34975
82B Feb 184 33020 34975
82C Jun 228 31781 34975
87A Feb 178 33310 34975
87B Feb 179 32530 34975
87C Feb 99 18176 19640
88A Feb 185 32836 34975
88B Feb 180 32370 34975
88C Feb 118 18864 19640
89A Feb 172 30259 34975
89B Feb 131 27109 34975
89C Apr 22 3265 19640

dizfan

09-03-2009, 09:29 AM

Bumping for the updated sales numbers.

Unit 89B just started seeing contracts.

DenLo

09-04-2009, 01:39 PM

Wow Dizfan a scroll bar on your table, that's pretty impressive. I've seen threads where they dropped older stuff to make room for the new and have never seen a scroll!

wdrl (my DH) and I keep checking the OC records for another declaration on BLT. We sort of got use to happening once a month. I didn't notice when the last declaration was made how many units were still left to be sold from the June 2009 declaration. Would you know?

dizfan

09-11-2009, 09:07 AM

BLT declaration was done on 9/2/09, documented on 9/11/09.
It's the tenth declaration.
Includes first declared rooms from the 8th floor.

Phase 41

41A consists of two 2BR units
41B consists of one 2BR

Phase 42

42A consists of one 2BR unit
42B consists of one 2BR unit
42C consists of one 2BR unit

Phase 43

43A consists of two 2BR units
43B consists of one 2BR

Phase 44

44A consists of two 2BR units
44B consists of one 2BR

Phase 45

45A consists of one 2BR unit
45B consists of one 2BR unit
45C consists of one 2BR unit

Phase 46

46A consists of two 2BR units
46B consists of one 2BR

BLTtinkerbell

09-11-2009, 09:17 AM

Dizfan, Thanks for all the time you put into this. Have a magical day!

wdrl

09-11-2009, 09:46 AM

BLT declaration was done on 9/2/09, documented on 9/11/09.
It's the tenth declaration.
Includes first declared rooms from the 8th floor.

**UPDATE 9/16/2009

This 10th Amendment is the largest declaration for BLT since the 2nd Amendment was made in October 2008. With this declaration, DVD is bringing about 353,520 more points into the BLT resort. It is interesting that DVD still has 9 other Units (05a, 20b, 38a, 38b, 38c, 39b, 40a, 40b, and 89c) representing 176,760 points that have been previously declared but for which deeds have not yet been recorded at the OCC website.

It will be interesting to see if DVD continues to assign the February UY to these Units. As dizfan noted previously, February's banking window closes on September 30th, making it a less attractive UY to new buyers. However, even if February is not assigned to any of the Units in the future, over a quarter of all BLT points will reside in the February UY. This should debunk the myth that DVD distributes points equally throughout the eight UY months.

http://i124.photobucket.com/albums/p30/wdrl/0001R7.jpg

dizfan

09-11-2009, 09:56 AM

This 10th Amendment is the largest declaration for BLT since the 1st Amendment was made in October 2008. With this declaration, DVD is bringing about 353,520 more points into the BLT resort. It is interesting that DVD still has 9 other Units (05a, 20b, 38a, 38b, 38c, 39b, 40a, 40b, and 89c) representing 176,760 points that have been previously declared but for which deeds have not yet been recorded at the OCC website.

Sounds like your theory has been pretty accurate for when to watch for another declaration.

TSMIII

09-11-2009, 10:29 AM

The tables in the first post have been updated with the units brought in to the condo association with the 2 SEP declaration that was posted by the Orange County Comptroller's office today.

A total of 18 two bedroom villas (8 dedicated & 10 lockoff) comprising the remainder of the 7th floor and part of the 8th floor.

With this declaration, BLT is now over 50% declared.

spiceycat

09-11-2009, 12:06 PM

With this declaration, BLT is now over 50% declared.

yea!!! now if the guides can sell that amount before the end of this year.

otherwise more discounts (this is a guess)

DenLo

09-11-2009, 12:10 PM

YAY! My deed just showed up on the official website! Ever since you posted the link to it, I've been checking daily. We're supposed to close on 9/5, (my birthday) we're getting closer!

If your deed showed up on the OC website, it means the closing has gone through and the deed was sent on to OC for recording. pixiedust:Welcome Home!pixiedust: You are now officially a DVC member.

bookwormde

09-11-2009, 12:30 PM

Wow what a great thread, thanks for all the work.

2M sold out of what my best guess was something over 6m points in one year.

probably and accumulation of information that DVD would not have published on their own.

Thanks

bookwormde

wdrl

09-17-2009, 10:43 AM

I've updated the data chart in Post #126 regarding BLT's UY and points. On 9/16/2009, two units, 41b and 43b, started appearing on deeds recorded on the OCC website. Both of these units were declared in the latest BLT Declaration Amendment made on 9/2/2009. It is interesting to note that at least one deed for unit 41b was signed by the buyer on 8/30/2009, three days BEFORE DVD had officially declared that unit for the DVC. Another interesting note is that both unit 41b and unit 43b have February as the UY. I would have thought that with February's banking deadline coming up that DVD would begin placing new buyers into later UY.

DenLo

09-17-2009, 11:28 AM

It is interesting to note that at least one deed for unit 41b was signed by the buyer on 8/30/2009, three days BEFORE DVD had officially declared that unit for the DVC. Another interesting note is that both unit 41b and unit 43b have February as the UY. I would have thought that with February's banking deadline coming up that DVD would begin placing new buyers into later UY.

I'm a bit confused why the DVD had to sell unit 41b before it was declared. Were the remaining unsold units not a February use year?

Also if DVD continues to sell February UY's they must plan on giving them a longer banking window. I know on resales, MS will bank points late.

wdrl

10-02-2009, 11:07 AM

dizfan

10-23-2009, 03:57 PM

Updated 11/10/09.

I've been going through all the BLT contracts on the OCC web site.

I went through all contracts listed as Grantor: Disney Vacation Development (so any contract that doesn't have that name, I missed).
Initially went through all Deeds and Deed Mortgages for each unit that's been declared (1A - 99C) from 9/1/2008 - 7/24/2009. Only checked the attachment (photocopy of the document) for those listed with the word Bay or Contemporary or no description.
Then, I went through all Deeds and Deed Mortgages from 7/25-11/06/2009. Only checked the attachment (photocopy of the document) for those listed with the word Bay or Contemporary or no description.

I did not look at contracts documented for Boardwalk, Saratoga, Wilderness, etc so if the OCC put the wrong Legal description for those, I missed them

Contracts are documented several weeks/days after they have been submitted to Disney Vacation Development, so this is really a snapshot of sales data from 2-6 weeks ago.

Here's what I've found in the documented contracts through 11/06/2009
15,003 total contracts
2,500,394 total points sold

Unit UY #Cont Sold Total
02A Feb 228 38002 39280
02B Mar 134 18823 19640
03A Mar 260 36650 39280
03B Apr 137 19243 19640
04A Apr 257 37086 39280
04B Jun 126 19058 19640
05A --- 0 --- ---
05B Aug 138 18889 19640
05C Aug 129 19033 19640
06A Sep 234 35350 39280
06B Sep 133 19199 19640
07A Oct 138 18842 19640
07B Oct 144 18133 19640
07C Dec 130 18916 19640
08A Dec 265 36951 39280
08B Feb 101 19236 19640
09A Dec 117 18308 19640
09B Feb 116 19018 19640
09C Feb 114 19204 19640
10A Mar 217 32931 39280
10B Apr 137 17769 19640
11A Feb 102 17992 19640
11B Feb 94 18166 19640
11C Feb 115 18391 19640
12A Jun 315 37275 39280
12B Feb 105 19058 39280
13A Aug 165 18363 19640
13B Feb 99 17264 19640
13C Feb 95 18318 19640
14A Feb 177 35409 39280
14B Oct 136 19019 19640
15A Feb 83 15960 19640
15B Dec 119 10372 19640
15C Feb 110 19121 19640
16A Dec 237 34543 39280
16B Feb 96 18335 19640
17A Feb 101 18948 19640
17B Feb 98 17722 19640
17C Feb 96 18392 19640
18A Dec 267 35184 39280
18B Feb 99 18417 19640
19A Feb 103 18880 19640
19B Sep 105 16312 19640
19C Jun 214 36292 39280
20A Feb 236 37590 39280
20B --- 0 --- ---
21A Sep 16 2127 19640
21B Sep 100 15997 19640
21C Sep 122 16220 19640
22A Feb 194 37056 39280
22B Aug 69 9027 19640
23A Feb 197 37445 39280
23B Oct 82 11767 19640
24A Feb 109 18805 19640
24B Feb 98 18710 19640
24C Feb 97 18600 19640
25A Feb 198 38013 39280
25B Feb 110 18653 19640
26A Feb 103 19047 19640
26B Feb 109 18795 19640
26C Feb 206 38650 39280
27A Feb 195 38443 39280
27B Feb 104 18860 19640
28A Feb 105 18611 19640
28B Feb 100 19209 19640
28C Feb 102 18324 19640
29A Feb 190 36526 39280
29B Feb 106 19231 19640
30A Feb 199 38301 39280
30B Feb 100 18531 19640
31A Apr 120 16972 19640
31B Feb 95 17481 19640
31C Feb 106 17702 19640
32A Aug 241 33932 39280
32B Jun 9 2070 19640
33A Jun 112 17782 19640
33B Oct 89 12207 19640
33C Feb 197 37619 39280
34A Feb 194 36253 39280
34B Feb 95 15970 19640
35A Feb 99 17901 19640
35B Feb 95 17562 19640
35C Jun 96 15457 19640
36A Feb 188 36903 39280
36B Feb 95 16762 19640
37A Feb 179 34410 39280
37B Feb 91 16199 19640
38A Oct 2 476 19640
38B Oct 1 250 19640
38C Oct 1 250 19640
39A Feb 199 36118 39280
39B Oct 1 250 19640
40A Oct 1 250 19640
40B Oct 1 250 19640
40C Feb 186 33451 39280
41A Feb 154 29429 39280
41B Feb 87 16444 19640
42A Mar 71 12830 19640
42B --- 0 --- ---
42C Feb 80 13640 19640
43A Feb 176 31826 39280
43B Feb 43 8350 19640
44A Feb 160 30451 39280
44B Mar 38 6875 19640
45A --- 0 --- ---
45B Apr 12 1626 19640
45C Mar 9 1415 19640
46A Mar 92 17822 39280
46B Mar 0 --- 19640
82A Mar 217 32173 34975
82B Feb 188 33345 34975
82C Jun 229 31981 34975
87A Feb 180 33645 34975
87B Feb 181 32790 34975
87C Feb 106 18881 19640
88A Feb 190 33116 34975
88B Feb 183 32606 34975
88C Feb 122 19174 19640
89A Feb 179 31484 34975
89B Feb 142 28975 34975
89C Apr 38 6127 19640

dizfan

11-10-2009, 05:59 PM

Congratulations to Disney and the DVC guides for selling over 15,000 contracts and over 2.5 million points at BLT.

DenLo

11-10-2009, 06:25 PM

Congratulations to Disney and the DVC guides for selling over 15,000 contracts and over 2.5 million points at BLT.

:cool1:

DenLo

11-11-2009, 11:14 AM

We just spoke to our guide and he said that the original plan was to sell BLT within three years. However, based on sales he thinks it only going to take two years. I think if the sales keep up the way they have it might sell out quicker since over half of the points have been sold.

DVCGeek

11-12-2009, 01:30 PM

I think if the sales keep up the way they have it might sell out quicker since over half of the points have been sold.

However, with the base price going up and incentives changing that might slow it down; seems like they are really trying to clear out AKV & VGC to me based on prices. On a similar note, anyone know how SSR is doing since they started declaring Treehouses? I would imagine having 4 properties for sale at once must keep things interesting @ DVC and I wonder what the 'real' focus is for the guides...

wdrl

11-12-2009, 03:28 PM

However, with the base price going up and incentives changing that might slow it down; seems like they are really trying to clear out AKV & VGC to me based on prices. On a similar note, anyone know how SSR is doing since they started declaring Treehouses? I would imagine having 4 properties for sale at once must keep things interesting @ DVC and I wonder what the 'real' focus is for the guides...

See the following posting regarding the THV: http://www.disboards.com/showpost.php?p=34253025&postcount=10. SSR is averaging only a few hundred points/day in recorded deeds and AKV is averaging about 1,000 points/day. BLT is greatly exceeding those numbers, but things have slowed down this past month compared to sales this past summer. The last BLT Declaration was on 9/2/2009, and I keep thinking another Declaration will happen any day. Of course, I've been saying that for the past 2 weeks!

TSMIII

11-12-2009, 06:26 PM

The following chart shows BLT declarations by UY through September 30, 2009. Currently, February remains the most prevalent UY, but that may change. dizfan mentioned to me that Disney may be switching BLT's default UY on new sales from February to March.

Based on my data, Disney has declared 3,103,655 points for BLT, and has sold 2,219,023 points through 9/30/2009. This leaves about 28.50% of the declared points still to be sold. I have been tracking BLT sales for a few months, and it appears that Disney makes a new declaration when its declared inventory drops below 25%. If I'm right, we should see a new declaration by the end of October. Of course, with BLT's price going up, I don't know whether BLT sales will continue at the same pace as before.

http://i124.photobucket.com/albums/p30/wdrl/00012P.jpg

See the following posting regarding the THV: http://www.disboards.com/showpost.php?p=34253025&postcount=10. SSR is averaging only a few hundred points/day in recorded deeds and AKV is averaging about 1,000 points/day. BLT is greatly exceeding those numbers, but things have slowed down this past month compared to sales this past summer. The last BLT Declaration was on 9/2/2009, and I keep thinking another Declaration will happen any day. Of course, I've been saying that for the past 2 weeks!

wdrl - I was also expecting a new BLT declaration at the end of October. As you said, you've been anticipating a declaration for 2 weeks.

Based on your earlier post where you referenced the 25% threshold you believe to be the trigger for a new declaration, how close are they currently to dropping below that (if they haven't already)?

wdrl

11-12-2009, 11:01 PM

wdrl - I was also expecting a new BLT declaration at the end of October. As you said, you've been anticipating a declaration for 2 weeks.

Based on your earlier post where you referenced the 25% threshold you believe to be the trigger for a new declaration, how close are they currently to dropping below that (if they haven't already)?

All of the indicators I've used in the past to predict BLT Declarations have been blown aside:

Pct of Total declared points unsold - In the past, when the percent of unsold declared points reached 25% or less, than a new declaration was usually made. Currently, we have only 20% of the declared points still in inventory.

The default UY has less than 15% of declared unsold points - We have seen a new Declaration when February's points inventory dropped below 15%. February was, until recently, BLT's default UY. We currently have only 10% of the declared February points left to be sold. But as of the first of this month, March is the default UY, and it has about 34% of its inventory still available for sale. So maybe this indicator still holds some predictive value.

Declared but unused Units are less than 10 - As of 10/10/2009, there are only four declared Units (05a, 20b, 42b, and 45a) that have yet to have deeds recorded at OCC.

According to my data, DVD has about 633,000 declared BLT points unsold as of 10/10/2009. Dizfan has also been tracking BLT and his point counts might be more reliable than mine. He shows slightly more points sold and slightly less points unsold.

I suspect that DVD wants to whittle down this inventory before they make a new Declaration. But I really don't know when we might see another Declaration. Surely we'll see a new one by Thanksgiving! (I hope!!!)

I guess this is another example of iwikwiwta (I wish I knew what I was talking about).

dizfan

11-13-2009, 12:52 PM

For contracts through 11/10/2009, my data is showing 15105 contracts, 2,516040 points sold.

Unit 46b (latest one to start seeing new contracts) is gradually seeing more contracts show up. Depending if the unit sees mostly small contracts or new member (160 and up), units range from in the 90's to 150 or so contracts per unit. Unit 46B contracts were sent out around 10/30. I suspect they've already sent enough contracts to use up the points for this unit.

Will they assign a lower numbered unassigned unit to more March contracts or another declaration?

If I read the last declaration info correctly, it occurred on 9/2/2009, but didn't show up on the OCC until 9/11/2009. Might we be at a point where the declaration is already done and we're just waiting to see it show up on the OCC web site?

The Annual meeting was just announced for 12/9/2009. Interesting that it's being held at the Contemporary, instead of the usual Boardwalk.

dizfan

11-20-2009, 10:41 AM

Sales numbers for contracts I've found on the Orange County Comptroller's web site for all documented and proofed contracts through 12/16/2009.

This includes a few older contracts I found that were entered incorrectly entered on the OCC web site.

16,025 total contracts
2,653,718 total points sold

Unit UY #Cont Sold Total
02A Feb 228 38002 39280
02B Mar 135 18873 19640
03A Mar 261 36810 39280
03B Apr 137 19243 19640
04A Apr 257 37086 39280
04B Jun 127 19133 19640
05A --- 0 --- ---
05B Aug 138 18889 19640
05C Aug 129 19033 19640
06A Sep 235 35670 39280
06B Sep 133 19199 19640
07A Oct 138 18842 19640
07B Oct 145 18183 19640
07C Dec 131 18966 19640
08A Dec 266 37051 39280
08B Feb 101 19236 19640
09A Dec 120 18823 19640
09B Feb 117 19048 19640
09C Feb 115 19229 19640
10A Mar 227 34342 39280
10B Apr 138 17919 19640
11A Feb 102 17992 19640
11B Feb 94 18166 19640
11C Feb 115 18391 19640
12A Jun 315 37275 39280
12B Feb 106 19083 39280
13A Aug 165 18363 19640
13B Feb 99 17264 19640
13C Feb 95 18318 19640
14A Feb 177 35409 39280
14B Oct 136 19019 19640
15A Feb 83 15960 19640
15B Dec 166 15227 19640
15C Feb 110 19121 19640
16A Dec 249 35918 39280
16B Feb 96 18335 19640
17A Feb 101 18948 19640
17B Feb 98 17722 19640
17C Feb 97 18417 19640
18A Dec 271 35614 39280
18B Feb 100 18577 19640
19A Feb 103 18880 19640
19B Sep 105 16312 19640
19C Jun 214 36292 39280
20A Feb 236 37590 39280
20B --- 0 --- ---
21A Sep 31 3687 19640
21B Sep 121 18212 19640
21C Sep 136 17634 19640
22A Feb 195 37256 39280
22B Aug 111 13604 19640
23A Feb 197 37445 39280
23B Oct 96 14402 19640
24A Feb 109 18805 19640
24B Feb 99 18870 19640
24C Feb 97 18600 19640
25A Feb 198 38013 39280
25B Feb 110 18653 19640
26A Feb 103 19047 19640
26B Feb 110 18955 19640
26C Feb 207 38700 39280
27A Feb 195 38443 39280
27B Feb 107 19205 19640
28A Feb 105 18611 19640
28B Feb 100 19209 19640
28C Feb 102 18324 19640
29A Feb 193 37006 39280
29B Feb 106 19231 19640
30A Feb 199 38301 39280
30B Feb 101 18581 19640
31A Apr 121 17072 19640
31B Feb 98 17881 19640
31C Feb 106 17702 19640
32A Aug 247 35402 39280
32B Jun 48 6019 19640
33A Jun 116 18298 19640
33B Oct 129 17452 19640
33C Feb 200 37794 39280
34A Feb 195 36686 39280
34B Feb 98 16550 19640
35A Feb 101 18051 19640
35B Feb 98 17882 19640
35C Jun 121 18112 19640
36A Feb 189 37063 39280
36B Feb 97 16987 19640
37A Feb 188 35785 39280
37B Feb 98 16994 19640
38A Oct 3 826 19640
38B Oct 2 600 19640
38C Oct 1 250 19640
39A Feb 202 36931 39280
39B Oct 1 250 19640
40A Oct 1 250 19640
40B Oct 1 250 19640
40C Feb 189 33911 39280
41A Feb 183 34763 39280
41B Feb 92 17104 19640
42A Mar 86 15345 19640
42B --- 0 --- ---
42C Feb 106 17240 19640
43A Feb 196 34296 39280
43B Feb 80 14770 19640
44A Feb 175 32912 39280
44B Mar 77 13900 19640
45A --- 0 --- ---
45B Apr 93 14686 19640
45C Mar 107 18195 19640
46A Mar 162 31498 39280
46B Mar 78 13655 19640
47A Feb 54 6430 19640
47B Jun 15 2850 19640
47C Dec 1 160 39280
48A Apr 7 1553 39280
48B Jun 1 200 19640
82A Mar 220 32693 34975
82B Feb 190 33655 34975
82C Jun 233 32266 34975
87A Feb 183 33852 34975
87B Feb 182 33290 34975
87C Feb 106 18881 19640
88A Feb 195 33541 34975
88B Feb 185 33250 34975
88C Feb 122 19174 19640
89A Feb 186 32294 34975
89B Feb 159 31090 34975
89C Apr 62 10613 19640

DVCGeek

11-20-2009, 01:07 PM

Sales numbers for contracts I've found on the Orange County Comptroller's web site for all documented and proofed contracts through 11/18/2009.

Anyone else find it odd that there are several Oct. UY units with only 1 contract in each of them? :confused3 Not that it matters but seems strange to me; I would think they'd keep selling contracts in the same unit until it is (nearly) sold out then move to the next for that use year...

wdrl

11-20-2009, 01:29 PM

Anyone else find it odd that there are several Oct. UY units with only 1 contract in each of them? :confused3 Not that it matters but seems strange to me; I would think they'd keep selling contracts in the same unit until it is (nearly) sold out then move to the next for that use year...

Actually, its not that uncommon to see a single deed for a Unit show up on the OCC, and then not have another deed recorded for weeks for that Unit. And its not a situation unique to BLT. AKV Unit #105D had a single deed recorded on 9/30/2009, and has not had one recorded since.

There are several times that I wonder how reliable the information is on the recorded deeds. Back in July, I ran across a BLT deed with Unit 105A. Well, there is no Unit 105A for BLT, but there is an AKV Unit with that number which, BTW, was actively in use at that time. I'm compiling a database of all AKV contracts (sounds like fun, doesn't it?) going back February 2007, and I have seen a handful of deeds in which the number of points was the same as the number of the Unit: 35 points for Unit 35, 52 points for Unit 52, etc. Mere coincidence? Or did someone creating the deed type in the Unit number twice by mistake? Anyway, the OCC deeds make for interesting reading. :rolleyes1

wdrl

11-20-2009, 02:30 PM

I've been holding off updating my chart of BLT Units and points, thinking that DVD would make a new Declaration of Units. The last Declaration was made on 9/2/2009, and I thought we'd have another one by late October. My wife said that perhaps if I update the chart, DVD will make a new Declaration by tomorrow so that my chart is out-of-date. Well, we'll see if that happens.

Since the last update, more Units have been declared for UYs other than February. March is now the default UY, but there are still many contracts being sold for February. The chart also shows that the October UY has the second highest number of assigned Units, but this is somewhat of an oddity. For some reason, last month DVD rolled out four Units in the same day for the October UY, but only put one deed each in three of the Units. And no other deeds for been recorded for those Units.

Even though BLT's price-per-point has gone up, BLT is outselling AKV, SSR, and the other "sold-out" WDW resorts by 2-to-1. As dizfan points out, 15,454 deeds have been sold for BLT. I find it interesting that BLT has over 11,500 master contracts sold. AKV has slightly more master contracts, but it has been selling contracts since February 2007. SSR, by the way, has over 66,000 master contracts.

When reading the chart, remember that "Unit" is not the same as a villa or room. Each BLT Unit has either one two-bedroom villa (19,640 points), two two-bedroom villas (39,280 points), or one Grand Villa (34,975 points) assigned to it.

http://i124.photobucket.com/albums/p30/wdrl/0001Ti.jpg

dizfan

11-23-2009, 03:16 PM

I think there is a new declaration for BLT showing up on the OCC web site.

Units
47A, 47B, 47C
48A, 48B
49A, 49B, 49C
50A, 50B
51A, 51B
52A, 52B, 52C
53A, 53B
54A, 54B, 54C

TSMIII

11-23-2009, 03:40 PM

The first post has been updated to refelect the new units declared on 10 November and posted today - the rest of the 8th floor and part of the 9th - 26 2BR villas.

wdrl

11-23-2009, 05:51 PM

I have updated the BLT Declaration chart to show the newest declaration made on 11/10/2009. The new Declaration brings 20 more Units into the DVC Membership inventory. These 20 Units represent 26 2-bedroom villas and 510,640 points. BLT now has 62.04% of its estimated 5,825,540 points declared.

http://i124.photobucket.com/albums/p30/wdrl/0001mK.jpg

wdrl

01-08-2010, 01:07 PM

As of December 31, 2009, DVD has declared about 62% of BLT for the DVC Membership inventory. In addition, about 46% of the estimated 5,825,540 points have been sold according to deeds recorded on the Orange County Comptroller's website. The following chart shows that the vast majority of BLT points are in Units with a February UY.

Since raising the price of BLT to $120 per point in October, sales of BLT have slowed compared to the rate of sales during the first 6 months of 2009. BLT was outselling AKV about 2-to-1. Currently, AKV sales are exceeding BLT sales, but not by much.

Until September 2009, February was the default UY for BLT contracts. March was used as default UY in the late Fall, and more contracts were being sold for June and the other UY months. However, in December, more first-time buyers were being offered contracts with February 2009 points. The big incentive with February 2009 points is, of course, almost a year's worth of points with little or no MF.

There are about 937,000 points that have been declared but not yet sold. At the current rate of sales (about 15,000 points a week), it might be late Spring before DVD does another Declaration of BLT Units for the Membership. However, if DVD continues to push February contracts, then a new Declaration might have to be made sooner to replenish the stock of February points.

http://i124.photobucket.com/albums/p30/wdrl/0001hv.jpg

flipflopmom

01-08-2010, 01:33 PM

Interesting stuff, thanks for keeping up with all of it!:thumbsup2

work2play

01-09-2010, 01:51 PM

That is really interesting. It would lead me to conclude that trying to buy BLT resales in future years with non February use years may be more difficult.

DVCGeek

01-13-2010, 02:37 PM

That is really interesting. It would lead me to conclude that trying to buy BLT resales in future years with non February use years may be more difficult.

Interesting point; I think that is probably valid since there will be less supply... Anyone know what the distribution of use years is like for the other resorts (i.e. are there other ones that are so highly weighted to a single UY, and if so, is it also feb?)

wdrl

01-14-2010, 03:09 PM

Anyone know what the distribution of use years is like for the other resorts (i.e. are there other ones that are so highly weighted to a single UY, and if so, is it also feb?)

I have only looked at all of the recorded deeds for two other resorts besides BLT. At AKV, 41.77% of the points declared to date are in the December UY (see http://www.disboards.com/showthread.php?t=1783357&page=9). The next largest percentage of AKV declared points is in the June UY with 11.21%. Even if DVD does not declare any future Units with a December UY (AKV still has about 2.9M points undeclared, by my estimation), December will account for 23.57% of all AKV points once the resort is sold out.

VWL has about 1,962,300 points. August is the most common UY with 23.72% of VWL's total points. December is the next most common UY with 18.19%.

I have looked at the Units at SSR that comprise the THVs (see http://www.disboards.com/showthread.php?t=2265909). In those 15 Units, December UY accounts for 20% of the 452,625 points, and February UY accounts for 13.33%. I haven't looked at the previously declared SSR Units, so I don't know if that mix holds true for the entire resort.

dizfan

02-03-2010, 11:36 AM

Sales numbers for contracts I've found on the Orange County Comptroller's web site for all documented and proofed contracts through 1/31/2010.

This includes a few older contracts I found that were entered incorrectly entered on the OCC web site.

16,787 total contracts
2,779,791 total points sold

Unit UY #Cont Sold Total
02A Feb 228 38002 39280
02B Mar 135 18873 19640
03A Mar 261 36810 39280
03B Apr 137 19243 19640
04A Apr 257 36976 39280
04B Jun 127 19133 19640
05A --- 0 --- ---
05B Aug 138 18889 19640
05C Aug 129 19033 19640
06A Sep 235 35670 39280
06B Sep 133 19199 19640
07A Oct 138 18842 19640
07B Oct 145 18183 19640
07C Dec 131 18966 19640
08A Dec 267 37211 39280
08B Feb 101 19236 19640
09A Dec 120 18823 19640
09B Feb 117 19048 19640
09C Feb 115 19229 19640
10A Mar 231 35022 39280
10B Apr 138 17919 19640
11A Feb 102 17992 19640
11B Feb 94 18166 19640
11C Feb 116 18551 19640
12A Jun 315 37275 39280
12B Feb 106 19083 39280
13A Aug 165 18363 19640
13B Feb 99 17264 19640
13C Feb 95 18318 19640
14A Feb 177 35409 39280
14B Oct 136 19019 19640
15A Feb 83 15960 19640
15B Dec 177 16167 19640
15C Feb 110 19121 19640
16A Dec 249 35918 39280
16B Feb 96 18335 19640
17A Feb 101 18948 19640
17B Feb 98 17722 19640
17C Feb 97 18417 19640
18A Dec 272 35724 39280
18B Feb 100 18577 19640
19A Feb 103 18880 19640
19B Sep 107 16774 19640
19C Jun 215 36492 39280
20A Feb 236 37590 39280
20B --- 0 --- ---
21A Sep 58 7542 19640
21B Sep 124 18572 19640
21C Sep 138 18114 19640
22A Feb 195 37256 39280
22B Aug 144 17553 19640
23A Feb 197 37445 39280
23B Oct 101 15252 19640
24A Feb 109 18805 19640
24B Feb 99 18870 19640
24C Feb 97 18600 19640
25A Feb 198 38013 39280
25B Feb 111 18703 19640
26A Feb 103 19047 19640
26B Feb 111 19080 19640
26C Feb 207 38700 39280
27A Feb 196 38483 39280
27B Feb 107 19205 19640
28A Feb 105 18611 19640
28B Feb 100 19209 19640
28C Feb 103 18524 19640
29A Feb 193 37006 39280
29B Feb 106 19231 19640
30A Feb 199 38301 39280
30B Feb 102 18791 19640
31A Apr 121 17072 19640
31B Feb 99 17931 19640
31C Feb 106 17702 19640
32A Aug 247 35402 39280
32B Jun 52 6849 19640
33A Jun 116 18298 19640
33B Oct 133 18022 19640
33C Feb 200 37794 39280
34A Feb 195 36686 39280
34B Feb 100 16775 19640
35A Feb 101 18051 19640
35B Feb 101 18452 19640
35C Jun 128 18837 19640
36A Feb 191 37363 39280
36B Feb 100 17507 19640
37A Feb 189 35945 39280
37B Feb 101 17439 19640
38A Oct 20 2871 19640
38B Oct 2 600 19640
38C Oct 1 250 19640
39A Feb 203 36981 39280
39B Oct 1 250 19640
40A Oct 1 250 19640
40B Oct 1 250 19640
40C Feb 191 34531 39280
41A Feb 190 36103 39280
41B Feb 96 17719 19640
42A Mar 93 16630 19640
42B --- 0 --- ---
42C Feb 110 17880 19640
43A Feb 203 35261 39280
43B Feb 91 16910 19640
44A Feb 184 34362 39280
44B Mar 88 16015 19640
45A Aug 4 697 19640
45B Apr 112 17827 19640
45C Mar 113 18845 19640
46A Mar 180 34853 39280
46B Mar 94 16065 19640
47A Feb 108 14493 19640
47B Jun 78 14390 19640
47C Dec 43 6069 39280
48A Apr 56 10713 39280
48B Jun 78 14292 19640
49A Mar 14 2025 19640
49B Feb 73 12767 19640
49C Feb 61 10590 19640
50B Jun 6 1340 19640
51B Feb 33 6085 19640
52A Feb 0 --- 19640
82A Mar 221 32943 34975
82B Feb 190 33655 34975
82C Jun 233 32266 34975
87A Feb 183 33852 34975
87B Feb 184 33650 34975
87C Feb 106 18881 19640
88A Feb 196 33741 34975
88B Feb 185 33250 34975
88C Feb 122 19174 19640
89A Feb 186 32294 34975
89B Feb 163 31868 34975
89C Apr 75 12893 19640

Sales have slowed since the BLT price increase to $120/pt, but are still going at a respectable pace. A third of the January sales showing up on the OCC site between 1/25/10 and 1/29/10.

Month #Cont Points
Aug09 1104 186431
Sep09 1127 189160
Oct09 1203 205306
Nov09 846 124660
Dec09 521 82214
Jan10 620 102927

DenLo

02-03-2010, 11:51 AM

Thanks Dizfan for the new sales information. I was surprised to see that December and January sales dropped so much when the BLT sales were eligible for the extra 2009 points. I wonder if the December and January sales for AKV increased during that promotion. I don't think anyone on the DISboards tracks those figures though. Our guide mentioned that they were adding the 2009 points to the current promotions for December and January to attract more sales since during the holiday and post holiday months sales frequently decline. I suppose that this dip in sales at BLT could be a normal seasonal decline. I know there are many out there that hope a better incentive will be forthcoming for BLT.

wdrl

02-10-2010, 10:35 AM

I updated my BLT chart that shows the number of points by Use Year. You will notice that February is still the predominant UY at BLT. Even if DVD does not place another Unit at BLT within that UY, February will account for over one-third of all BLT points.

I have also adjusted downward my estimate of the total number of points BLT will have once it is completely sold out. My revised estimate of 5,733,530 points is about 92,000 points less than my earlier estimate. The lower amount is based on DVD allocating 34,975 points to each Grand Villa and 19,640 points to each two-bedroom villa. Since BLT will have 14 Grand Villas and 267 two-bedroom villas when it is fully declared for the DVC membership, its total points should end up at 5,733,530.

Like dizfan, I track the deeds and number of points recorded at OCC. When he and I compared data at the end of January, my data showed about 120 points less sold points than his. However, I use a very manual process and I suspect dizfan's numbers are probably more reliable than mine.

Although BLT sales have slowed compared to six months ago, it is still selling at a decent rate. Unless DVD unveils new incentives for BLT that really ramp up sales, I suspect that BLT will not sell out until the Spring or Summer of 2011. I also don't expect to see another Declaration of additional Units for BLT until April, at the very earliest. DVD has about 815,000 points that have been declared but not yet sold, which should be enough to handle sales for the next several weeks.

http://i124.photobucket.com/albums/p30/wdrl/000132.jpg

DVCGeek

03-01-2010, 05:11 PM

VWL has about 1,962,300 points. August is the most common UY with 23.72% of VWL's total points. December is the next most common UY with 18.19%.

August being highest there is probably good for me; that's my UY and I just did a small add-on @ VWL today! :rotfl:

dizfan

03-04-2010, 11:11 PM

Sales numbers for contracts I've found on the Orange County Comptroller's web site for contracts through 3/4/2010.

17,363 total contracts
2,872,149 total points sold

Unit UY #Cont Sold Total
02A Feb 228 38002 39280
02B Mar 135 18873 19640
03A Mar 261 36810 39280
03B Apr 137 19243 19640
04A Apr 257 36976 39280
04B Jun 127 19233 19640
05A --- 0 --- ---
05B Aug 138 18889 19640
05C Aug 129 19033 19640
06A Sep 235 35670 39280
06B Sep 133 19179 19640
07A Oct 138 18842 19640
07B Oct 145 18183 19640
07C Dec 131 18966 19640
08A Dec 267 37211 39280
08B Feb 101 19236 19640
09A Dec 120 18823 19640
09B Feb 117 19048 19640
09C Feb 115 19229 19640
10A Mar 233 35122 39280
10B Apr 140 18019 19640
11A Feb 102 17992 19640
11B Feb 94 18166 19640
11C Feb 116 18551 19640
12A Jun 315 37275 39280
12B Feb 106 19083 39280
13A Aug 165 18363 19640
13B Feb 99 17264 19640
13C Feb 95 18318 19640
14A Feb 178 35569 39280
14B Oct 136 19019 19640
15A Feb 83 15960 19640
15B Dec 181 16875 19640
15C Feb 110 19121 19640
16A Dec 252 36218 39280
16B Feb 96 18335 19640
17A Feb 101 18948 19640
17B Feb 98 17722 19640
17C Feb 97 18417 19640
18A Dec 274 35974 39280
18B Feb 100 18577 19640
19A Feb 103 18880 19640
19B Sep 107 16774 19640
19C Jun 215 36492 39280
20A Feb 236 37590 39280
20B --- 0 --- ---
21A Sep 73 9412 19640
21B Sep 124 18572 19640
21C Sep 139 18314 19640
22A Feb 195 37256 39280
22B Aug 147 17803 19640
23A Feb 197 37445 39280
23B Oct 103 15562 19640
24A Feb 109 18805 19640
24B Feb 101 19069 19640
24C Feb 97 18600 19640
25A Feb 198 38013 39280
25B Feb 111 18703 19640
26A Feb 103 19047 19640
26B Feb 111 19080 19640
26C Feb 207 38700 39280
27A Feb 196 38483 39280
27B Feb 107 19205 19640
28A Feb 105 18611 19640
28B Feb 100 19209 19640
28C Feb 103 18524 19640
29A Feb 195 37706 39280
29B Feb 106 19231 19640
30A Feb 199 38301 39280
30B Feb 103 18891 19640
31A Apr 121 17072 19640
31B Feb 101 18056 19640
31C Feb 106 17702 19640
32A Aug 248 35452 39280
32B Jun 54 7229 19640
33A Jun 116 18298 19640
33B Oct 133 18022 19640
33C Feb 201 38094 39280
34A Feb 196 36846 39280
34B Feb 104 17225 19640
35A Feb 101 18051 19640
35B Feb 102 18612 19640
35C Jun 128 18837 19640
36A Feb 193 37513 39280
36B Feb 101 17667 19640
37A Feb 191 36315 39280
37B Feb 101 17439 19640
38A Oct 45 6441 19640
38B Oct 2 600 19640
38C Oct 1 250 19640
39A Feb 206 37131 39280
39B Oct 1 250 19640
40A Oct 1 250 19640
40B Oct 1 250 19640
40C Feb 194 34941 39280
41A Feb 193 36943 39280
41B Feb 97 17879 19640
42A Mar 96 17200 19640
42B --- 0 --- ---
42C Feb 112 18340 19640
43A Feb 205 35685 39280
43B Feb 93 17310 19640
44A Feb 190 35552 39280
44B Mar 91 16365 19640
45A Aug 32 5229 19640
45B Apr 112 17827 19640
45C Mar 113 18845 19640
46A Mar 181 35053 39280
46B Mar 98 16465 19640
47A Feb 119 16108 19640
47B Jun 83 15460 19640
47C Dec 71 9829 39280
48A Apr 73 13113 39280
48B Jun 90 16842 19640
49A Mar 60 9212 19640
49B Feb 97 16696 19640
49C Feb 108 16178 19640
50A Feb 51 10629 39280
50B Jun 31 5605 19640
51A Feb 17 2370 39280
51B Feb 87 14630 19640
52A Feb 53 9497 19640
52B Aug 32 6310 19640
52C Mar 2 360 19640
82A Mar 222 33068 34975
82B Feb 190 33655 34975
82C Jun 233 32266 34975
87A Feb 183 33852 34975
87B Feb 184 33650 34975
87C Feb 106 18881 19640
88A Feb 197 33806 34975
88B Feb 187 33535 34975
88C Feb 122 19174 19640
89A Feb 188 32664 34975
89B Feb 163 31868 34975
89C Apr 78 13043 19640

Sales have slowed since the BLT price increase to $120/pt, but are still going at a respectable pace.

Month #Cont Points
Aug09 1104 186431
Sep09 1127 189160
Oct09 1203 205306
Nov09 846 124660
Dec09 521 82214
Jan10 620 102927
Feb10 445 71318
Mar10(1-4) 132 21010

wdrl

03-15-2010, 07:06 PM

Deeds recorded at the OCC website show that DVD has sold over half of BLT's estimated 5,733,530 points. Based on deeds verified through March 11, 2010, BLT passed the halfway mark in sales on March 5, 2010, and has now sold about 50.35% of its total points.

February continues to be the predominant UY at BLT, helped by the fact that DVD was pushing the February UY during this past Holiday season as a way for members to receive "double" points (a fancy way to say that a buyer received 2009 points and, in short order, 2010 points). In the most recent contracts that were recorded in early March, I'm seeing more BLT contracts with March UY and August UY. In addition, I've noticed a small number of February UY contracts that show the points are beginning as of 2010.

Here is another item of interest: DVD has sold over 13,000 master contracts for BLT. Although an existing member might buy a new master contract (to get a different UY or name(s) on the deed), I believe the number of master contracts represents the number of new members to the DVC.

BLT has not had a new Declaration of Units for the membership since 11/10/2009. This is the longest gap between BLT Declarations since its inception. Since BLT has over 725,000 unsold points in its declared inventory, I don't see a real need for DVD to declare more units at this time. Unless sales really pick up, I don't foresee a new Declaration for BLT for another 2-3 months. Of course, long time readers of this thread know that my abilities to prognosticate leave much to be desired.

http://i124.photobucket.com/albums/p30/wdrl/0001OB.jpg

DVCGeek

03-15-2010, 07:13 PM

Deeds recorded at the OCC website show that DVD has sold over half of its estimated 5,733,530 points.
...

Thanks for the update and the ongoing time to keep up with this! And FYI, I'm one of those new DVC members with a BLT Master Contract... I've just added on 3 times since Oct/Nov. 2008! :rotfl:

dizfan

04-02-2010, 11:23 AM

Sales numbers for contracts I've found on the Orange County Comptroller's web site for contracts through 3/31/2010.

17,878 total contracts
2,960,099 total points sold

Unit UY #Cont Sold Total
02A Feb 228 38002 39280
02B Mar 135 18873 19640
03A Mar 262 36850 39280
03B Apr 137 19243 19640
04A Apr 257 36976 39280
04B Jun 127 19233 19640
05A --- 0 --- ---
05B Aug 138 18889 19640
05C Aug 130 19083 19640
06A Sep 235 35670 39280
06B Sep 133 19179 19640
07A Oct 138 18842 19640
07B Oct 146 18233 19640
07C Dec 131 18966 19640
08A Dec 267 37211 39280
08B Feb 101 19236 19640
09A Dec 121 18923 19640
09B Feb 117 19048 19640
09C Feb 115 19229 19640
10A Mar 241 36137 39280
10B Apr 140 18019 19640
11A Feb 102 17992 19640
11B Feb 94 18166 19640
11C Feb 116 18551 19640
12A Jun 313 37025 39280
12B Feb 106 19083 39280
13A Aug 163 18163 19640
13B Feb 99 17264 19640
13C Feb 95 18318 19640
14A Feb 178 35569 39280
14B Oct 136 19019 19640
15A Feb 83 15960 19640
15B Dec 188 18050 19640
15C Feb 110 19121 19640
16A Dec 253 36418 39280
16B Feb 96 18335 19640
17A Feb 101 18948 19640
17B Feb 98 17722 19640
17C Feb 97 18417 19640
18A Dec 274 35974 39280
18B Feb 100 18577 19640
19A Feb 103 18880 19640
19B Sep 109 17014 19640
19C Jun 215 36492 39280
20A Feb 236 37590 39280
20B --- 0 --- ---
21A Sep 95 12197 19640
21B Sep 124 18572 19640
21C Sep 140 18474 19640
22A Feb 195 37256 39280
22B Aug 148 18003 19640
23A Feb 197 37445 39280
23B Oct 104 15762 19640
24A Feb 109 18805 19640
24B Feb 101 19069 19640
24C Feb 97 18600 19640
25A Feb 198 38013 39280
25B Feb 111 18703 19640
26A Feb 103 19047 19640
26B Feb 111 19080 19640
26C Feb 207 38700 39280
27A Feb 196 38483 39280
27B Feb 107 19205 19640
28A Feb 105 18611 19640
28B Feb 101 19234 19640
28C Feb 103 18524 19640
29A Feb 195 37706 39280
29B Feb 106 19231 19640
30A Feb 199 38301 39280
30B Feb 103 18891 19640
31A Apr 122 17272 19640
31B Feb 101 18056 19640
31C Feb 107 17902 19640
32A Aug 248 35452 39280
32B Jun 54 7229 19640
33A Jun 116 18298 19640
33B Oct 133 18022 19640
33C Feb 202 38124 39280
34A Feb 196 36846 39280
34B Feb 105 17325 19640
35A Feb 101 18051 19640
35B Feb 102 18612 19640
35C Jun 128 18837 19640
36A Feb 194 37593 39280
36B Feb 101 17667 19640
37A Feb 191 36315 39280
37B Feb 101 17439 19640
38A Oct 63 9256 19640
38B Oct 2 600 19640
38C Oct 1 250 19640
39A Feb 206 37131 39280
39B Oct 1 250 19640
40A Oct 1 250 19640
40B Oct 1 250 19640
40C Feb 194 34941 39280
41A Feb 193 36943 39280
41B Feb 97 17879 19640
42A Mar 100 17860 19640
42B --- 0 --- ---
42C Feb 113 18500 19640
43A Feb 205 35685 39280
43B Feb 93 17310 19640
44A Feb 191 35802 39280
44B Mar 93 16710 19640
45A Aug 51 8694 19640
45B Apr 113 18037 19640
45C Mar 114 19045 19640
46A Mar 186 36190 39280
46B Mar 103 17200 19640
47A Feb 123 16748 19640
47B Jun 84 15560 19640
47C Dec 90 12439 39280
48A Apr 144 26193 39280
48B Jun 93 17472 19640
49A Mar 94 15387 19640
49B Feb 98 16856 19640
49C Feb 115 17148 19640
50A Feb 63 13141 39280
50B Jun 53 9065 19640
51A Feb 46 6219 39280
51B Feb 95 15960 19640
52A Feb 72 12992 19640
52B Aug 73 13403 19640
52C Mar 78 14359 19640
53A Apr 25 4670 39280
53B Mar 17 3045 19640
82A Mar 222 33068 34975
82B Feb 190 33655 34975
82C Jun 233 32266 34975
87A Feb 183 33852 34975
87B Feb 184 33650 34975
87C Feb 107 19081 19640
88A Feb 197 33806 34975
88B Feb 187 33535 34975
88C Feb 122 19174 19640
89A Feb 188 32664 34975
89B Feb 165 32338 34975
89C Apr 95 16128 19640

Month #Cont Points
Aug09 1104 186431
Sep09 1127 189160
Oct09 1203 205306
Nov09 846 124660
Dec09 521 82214
Jan10 620 102927
Feb10 445 71318
Mar10 648 109120

wdrl

04-02-2010, 12:52 PM

Sales numbers for contracts I've found on the Orange County Comptroller's web site for contracts through 3/31/2010.

17,878 total contracts
2,960,099 total points sold

Month #Cont Points
Aug09 1104 186431
Sep09 1127 189160
Oct09 1203 205306
Nov09 846 124660
Dec09 521 82214
Jan10 620 102927
Feb10 445 71318
Mar10 648 109120

Thanks, dizfan, for updating your data on BLT sales.

BLT sales outpaced AKV sales for March 2010. BLT sold 109,120 points while AKV sold about 101,617 points. My data shows that BLT is about 51.63% sold out, and AKV is about 56.85% sold out. Sales at both resorts were probably helped by DVD's push to offer 2009 points, especially for those buyers with February, March, and April UYs.

DVCGeek

04-02-2010, 01:35 PM

My data shows that BLT is about 51.63% sold out, and AKV is about 56.85% sold out.

Not really important, but out of curiosity these may be interesting:

How do the two resorts compare on total points
Anyone recall when AKV first went on sale?
What the sales rates are in terms of absolute points to date
AKV sales vs. BLT by point count since BLT went on sale

(Those same #s for SSR and VGC since BLT went on sale could also be good for comparison, but I don't think anyone's found a good way to track details on points @ VGC...)

wdrl

04-02-2010, 02:15 PM

Not really important, but out of curiosity these may be interesting:

How do the two resorts compare on total points

AKV has about 7,400,190 points allotted to it.
BLT has about 5,733,530 points allotted to it.

Anyone recall when AKV first went on sale?

The first AKV deeds were filed and recorded with the Orange County Comptroller on March 9, 2007. Thus, AKV sales probably started in early to mid February 2007.

What the sales rates are in terms of absolute points to date

I haven't kept track of sales rates so I can't answer your question. I do know that BLT sales were much stronger in early and mid 2009 than they are right now.

AKV sales vs. BLT by point count since BLT went on sale

Again, I haven't tracked historical sales rates so I can't answer your question. However, BLT sales have generally outpaced AKV in most months. Before BLT was raised to $120/point in October 2009, it outsold AKV by about a 2-to-1 margin. After the raise to $120/point, AKV sales have been quite close to BLT sales.

Another indicator of the strength of BLT sales is the number of master contracts sold. Even though AKV sales started about 19 months before BLT, it has sold only a few hundred more master contracts than BLT. AKV is almost at 14,000 master contracts, while BLT is around 13,600 or so. And remember, Disney has always required at least 160 points for a BLT master contract, while AKV has let buyers purchase as little as 100 points.

(Those same #s for SSR and VGC since BLT went on sale could also be good for comparison, but I don't think anyone's found a good way to track details on points @ VGC...)

You are right (sigh), no one has figured out how to track VGC sales. I am tracking some of SSR's sales, but only the part pertaining to the Units declared for the Treehouse Villas. Since half of the THVs Units were declared in January 2009, only 36.89% of the 452,625 declared points have been sold.

DVCGeek

04-02-2010, 03:36 PM

wdrl - thanks for the additional info! :thumbsup2 I didn't realize BLT & AKV were so close in master contracts, wow. :eek: Fun to read the various facts and figures as they are posted... popcorn::

dizfan

04-06-2010, 05:56 PM

Document # 20100190036

It was dated 3/31/2010

Phases 55-64 were added (14 dedicated, 17 lockoffs)

55 (2 dedicated, 1 lockoff)
56 (3 lockoffs)
57 (2 dedicated, 1 lockoff)
58 (2 dedicated, 1 lockoff)
59 (3 lockoffs)
60 (2 dedicated, 1 lockoff)
61 (2 dedicated, 2 lockoff)
62 (2 dedicated, 1 lockoff)
63 (3 lockoffs)
64 (2 dedicated, 1 lockoff)

wdrl

04-06-2010, 10:22 PM

As noted by dizfan, on March 30, 2010, DVD declared more BLT Units for the DVC membership. This is the 12th Amendment to BLT's Master Declaration of Condominium, and is the first new declaration since November 10, 2009. This was the longest gap between BLT declarations.

As also noted by dizfan, this new declaration has 24 Units that contain 31 two-bedroom villas. It completes the declaration of villas located on the 9th floor, and it declares all the units located on the 10th floor. (As a personal aside, it includes Unit 62A, which contains villa #8028; my wife and I stayed in this MK view studio the first week in March!)

With this declaration, DVD has now declared 73.66% of BLT for the DVC membership. This is good news for DVC members who are hoping to get a BLT villa for the upcoming Holiday season or Marathon weekend because there are now 14 more dedicated two-bedroom villas and 17 more lockoff two-bedroom villas in the membership inventory.

The 24 Units comprising this declaration account for about 608,840 points into the membership inventory. This nearly doubles the amount of declared points DVD has available to sell. It now has over 1,250,000 points which have been declared but not yet sold.

As shown in the chart below, 51.74% of BLT's estimated 5,733,530 total points have been sold. This is based on deeds filed by DVD with the Orange County Comptroller through April 2, 2010.

Now that DVD has declared more Units for BLT, we might also see a new declaration of Units for AKV. AKV actually has about 60,000 fewer points in its declared-but-unsold inventory of points than what BLT had before the latest declaration.

http://i124.photobucket.com/albums/p30/wdrl/00017v.jpg

brando25

04-07-2010, 10:49 AM

dizfan

04-07-2010, 11:30 AM

dizfan or wdrl,

I am doing some research and trying to track points sold to date at BLT. I have tried to find this information on the OCC website. Can you please contact me and explain your methodology.

Thanks!

To find Disney related information, I enter Disney as the Grantor. When it searches, it will find only documents where Disney is the Grantor.
If you search on a given date, it will show you documents for that date.

For example, if you enter 4/6/10 as the Start Date, 4/6/10 as the End Date, and put in Disney as the Grantor. Then hit the Search button. This displays 37 documents (includes Condo Related, Notices, and Deeds). You can click on each to view pdf images of the document. On a deed, you can see the points sold, unit for the contract, and percentage of the unit sold. Using this information, you can determine approximately how many points the unit has.

dizfan

04-07-2010, 11:31 AM

dizfan

05-06-2010, 12:28 PM

Sales numbers for contracts I've found on the Orange County Comptroller's web site for contracts through 4/30/2010.

18,654 total contracts
3,087,557 total points sold

Unit UY #Cont Sold Total
02A Feb 228 38002 39280
02B Mar 135 18873 19640
03A Mar 263 37010 39280
03B Apr 137 19243 19640
04A Apr 259 37126 39280
04B Jun 127 19233 19640
05A --- 0 --- ---
05B Aug 138 18889 19640
05C Aug 130 19083 19640
06A Sep 235 35670 39280
06B Sep 133 19179 19640
07A Oct 138 18842 19640
07B Oct 146 18233 19640
07C Dec 132 18991 19640
08A Dec 267 37211 39280
08B Feb 101 19236 19640
09A Dec 121 18923 19640
09B Feb 117 19048 19640
09C Feb 115 19229 19640
10A Mar 245 36567 39280
10B Apr 140 18019 19640
11A Feb 102 17992 19640
11B Feb 94 18166 19640
11C Feb 116 18551 19640
12A Jun 313 37025 39280
12B Feb 106 19083 39280
13A Aug 163 18163 19640
13B Feb 99 17264 19640
13C Feb 95 18318 19640
14A Feb 179 35943 39280
14B Oct 137 19220 19640
15A Feb 83 15960 19640
15B Dec 189 18175 19640
15C Feb 110 19121 19640
16A Dec 254 36618 39280
16B Feb 94 17885 19640
17A Feb 101 18948 19640
17B Feb 98 17722 19640
17C Feb 97 18417 19640
18A Dec 284 37186 39280
18B Feb 99 18417 19640
19A Feb 103 18880 19640
19B Sep 110 17264 19640
19C Jun 216 36652 39280
20A Feb 236 37590 39280
20B --- 0 --- ---
21A Sep 122 15612 19640
21B Sep 125 18872 19640
21C Sep 141 18574 19640
22A Feb 195 37256 39280
22B Aug 150 18373 19640
23A Feb 197 37445 39280
23B Oct 107 16222 19640
24A Feb 110 19005 19640
24B Feb 100 18869 19640
24C Feb 97 18600 19640
25A Feb 198 38013 39280
25B Feb 111 18703 19640
26A Feb 103 19047 19640
26B Feb 111 19080 19640
26C Feb 207 38700 39280
27A Feb 196 38483 39280
27B Feb 108 19230 19640
28A Feb 105 18611 19640
28B Feb 101 19234 19640
28C Feb 104 18684 19640
29A Feb 197 38206 39280
29B Feb 106 19231 19640
30A Feb 199 38301 39280
30B Feb 103 18891 19640
31A Apr 130 18322 19640
31B Feb 113 19212 19640
31C Feb 110 18422 19640
32A Aug 260 36477 39280
32B Jun 55 7479 19640
33A Jun 121 18933 19640
33B Oct 137 18422 19640
33C Feb 202 38124 39280
34A Feb 197 37071 39280
34B Feb 111 18425 19640
35A Feb 101 18051 19640
35B Feb 104 18972 19640
35C Jun 128 18837 19640
36A Feb 196 37913 39280
36B Feb 104 18237 19640
37A Feb 200 37875 39280
37B Feb 103 17889 19640
38A Oct 100 14201 19640
38B Oct 2 600 19640
38C Oct 1 250 19640
39A Feb 213 38466 39280
39B Oct 1 250 19640
40A Oct 1 250 19640
40B Oct 1 250 19640
40C Feb 203 36636 39280
41A Feb 193 36943 39280
41B Feb 97 17879 19640
42A Mar 100 17860 19640
42B --- 0 --- ---
42C Feb 114 18750 19640
43A Feb 206 35785 39280
43B Feb 93 17310 19640
44A Feb 191 35802 39280
44B Mar 94 16810 19640
45A Aug 87 14227 19640
45B Apr 113 18037 19640
45C Mar 114 19045 19640
46A Mar 186 36190 39280
46B Mar 103 17200 19640
47A Feb 124 16883 19640
47B Jun 85 15810 19640
47C Dec 143 19839 39280
48A Apr 166 30130 39280
48B Jun 96 18002 19640
49A Mar 108 17372 19640
49B Feb 100 17216 19640
49C Feb 121 17768 19640
50A Feb 69 14066 39280
50B Jun 92 14130 19640
51A Feb 60 7599 39280
51B Feb 104 17621 19640
52A Feb 79 14197 19640
52B Aug 90 15841 19640
52C Mar 82 15099 19640
53A Apr 149 27630 39280
53B Mar 24 3985 19640
54A Apr 7 1000 19640
54B Apr 9 1190 19640
54C Apr 1 425 39280
55A Apr 96 18481 39280
55B Sep 9 1440 19640
56A Aug 2 400 19640
57A Jun 69 14615 39280
58A Jun 2 700 39280
82A Mar 224 33438 34975
82B Feb 192 34065 34975
82C Jun 241 33466 34975
87A Feb 183 33852 34975
87B Feb 184 33650 34975
87C Feb 107 19081 19640
88A Feb 198 34036 34975
88B Feb 189 33760 34975
88C Feb 124 19404 19640
89A Feb 196 33939 34975
89B Feb 166 32498 34975
89C Apr 100 17118 19640

Month #Cont Points
Aug09 1353 226040
Sep09 1128 189385
Oct09 1203 205306
Nov09 846 124660
Dec09 521 82214
Jan10 621 103227
Feb10 445 71318
Mar10 648 109120
Apr10 668 110101

I'm in the process of double checking contracts. It will take at least a couple more months. Based on what I've already noticed, I'm comfortable saying my numbers are low compared to what Disney has really sold.

wdrl

06-04-2010, 10:44 AM

May 2010 saw an increase in BLT sales. I will defer to dizfan, who has detailed information about BLT sales, but it appears that DVD sold about 110,000 points in May, which is the best monthly sales amount since November 2009. BLT sales have probably benefitted from DVD's marketing strategy of offering "double" points to buyers. The majority of deeds being recorded with the Orange County Comptroller are for the April, June, and August 2009 UYs. Now that we are into June, I expect we'll see more deeds for the August, September, and October UYs.

Although sales have picked up, it may still be awhile before we see another declaration of BLT units for the DVC membership. As of 5/28/2010, BLT had over 1,020,000 points that have been declared but not yet sold.

By the way, within the next month or so BLT may surpass AKV in the percentage of total points sold. Even though AKV started sales about 19 months before BLT, it has only 58.14% of its total points sold. BLT has about 55.85% of its points sold.

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DenLo

06-04-2010, 11:27 AM

By the way, within the next month or so BLT may surpass AKV in the percentage of total points sold. Even though AKV started sales about 19 months before BLT, it has only 58.14% of its total points sold. BLT has about 55.85% of its points sold.

I knew that BLT was selling fast, despite the raise in price, but that seems really fast to me. I guess location, location, location still holds true even with timeshares.

dizfan

06-04-2010, 01:32 PM

wdrl thanks for the update on the BLT summary

Sales numbers for contracts I've found on the Orange County Comptroller's web site for contracts through 5/28/2010. I'm still working through the contracts verifying my original numbers. If you compare to some of my older numbers, you'll notice an increase as I've found several documents that I missed (and removed a few that were duplicates or that I did not find a corresponding document id for).

19,672 total contracts
3,253,723 total points sold

Unit UY #Cont Sold Total
02A Feb 232 38577 39280
02B Mar 137 19238 19640
03A Mar 275 38482 39280
03B Apr 137 19243 19640
04A Apr 264 37976 39280
04B Jun 128 19283 19640
05A --- 0 --- ---
05B Aug 141 19239 19640
05C Aug 131 19243 19640
06A Sep 252 38285 39280
06B Sep 133 19179 19640
07A Oct 142 19222 19640
07B Oct 153 19233 19640
07C Dec 132 18991 19640
08A Dec 278 38536 39280
08B Feb 102 19436 19640
09A Dec 122 19083 19640
09B Feb 119 19233 19640
09C Feb 115 19229 19640
10A Mar 254 37989 39280
10B Apr 149 19224 19640
11A Feb 108 19222 19640
11B Feb 99 19236 19640
11C Feb 121 19501 19640
12A Jun 328 38470 39280
12B Feb 107 19243 39280
13A Aug 170 19384 19640
13B Feb 109 19244 19640
13C Feb 99 19233 19640
14A Feb 195 38484 39280
14B Oct 138 19420 19640
15A Feb 99 19222 19640
15B Dec 196 18850 19640
15C Feb 111 19241 19640
16A Dec 262 37987 39280
16B Feb 99 19145 19640
17A Feb 104 19408 19640
17B Feb 106 19232 19640
17C Feb 101 19237 19640
18A Dec 285 37346 39280
18B Feb 102 19077 19640
19A Feb 105 19240 19640
19B Sep 112 17524 19640
19C Jun 224 38105 39280
20A Feb 243 38630 39280
20B --- 0 --- ---
21A Sep 126 16042 19640
21B Sep 127 19112 19640
21C Sep 142 18674 19640
22A Feb 200 38121 39280
22B Aug 152 18623 19640
23A Feb 205 38630 39280
23B Oct 130 18892 19640
24A Feb 112 19545 19640
24B Feb 99 18709 19640
24C Feb 101 19240 19640
25A Feb 201 38468 39280
25B Feb 112 18863 19640
26A Feb 103 19047 19640
26B Feb 111 19080 19640
26C Feb 208 38900 39280
27A Feb 196 38483 39280
27B Feb 108 19230 19640
28A Feb 107 18871 19640
28B Feb 101 19234 19640
28C Feb 104 18684 19640
29A Feb 199 38606 39280
29B Feb 106 19231 19640
30A Feb 200 38476 39280
30B Feb 107 19531 19640
31A Apr 133 18722 19640
31B Feb 114 19437 19640
31C Feb 110 18422 19640
32A Aug 264 37372 39280
32B Jun 83 12885 19640
33A Jun 121 18933 19640
33B Oct 139 18847 19640
33C Feb 203 38164 39280
34A Feb 200 37681 39280
34B Feb 113 18575 19640
35A Feb 103 18521 19640
35B Feb 104 18972 19640
35C Jun 128 18837 19640
36A Feb 200 38523 39280
36B Feb 106 18618 19640
37A Feb 200 37875 39280
37B Feb 105 18117 19640
38A Oct 119 16351 19640
38B Oct 22 4445 19640
38C Oct 2 450 19640
39A Feb 213 38466 39280
39B Oct 1 250 19640
40A Oct 1 250 19640
40B Oct 1 250 19640
40C Feb 208 37451 39280
41A Feb 193 36943 39280
41B Feb 99 18139 19640
42A Mar 100 17860 19640
42B --- 0 --- ---
42C Feb 114 18750 19640
43A Feb 208 36105 39280
43B Feb 93 17310 19640
44A Feb 192 36002 39280
44B Mar 97 17170 19640
45A Aug 103 16752 19640
45B Apr 113 18037 19640
45C Mar 114 19045 19640
46A Mar 185 36065 39280
46B Mar 104 17225 19640
47A Feb 124 16883 19640
47B Jun 92 16635 19640
47C Dec 198 28104 39280
48A Apr 172 30760 39280
48B Jun 98 18448 19640
49A Mar 112 17772 19640
49B Feb 102 17441 19640
49C Feb 124 18288 19640
50A Feb 109 18171 39280
50B Jun 119 17460 19640
51A Feb 68 8862 39280
51B Feb 107 17946 19640
52A Feb 91 15637 19640
52B Aug 96 17046 19640
52C Mar 92 16194 19640
53A Apr 179 32797 39280
53B Mar 24 3985 19640
54A Apr 8 1160 19640
54B Apr 10 1350 19640
54C Apr 1 425 39280
55A Apr 133 25423 39280
55B Sep 31 4270 19640
56A Aug 42 7320 19640
56C Dec 0 --- 19640
57A Jun 143 27515 39280
58A Jun 137 27408 39280
60A Jun 55 10380 39280
82A Mar 225 33438 34975
82B Feb 193 34225 34975
82C Jun 242 33736 34975
87A Feb 183 33852 34975
87B Feb 187 34250 34975
87C Feb 108 19361 19640
88A Feb 198 34036 34975
88B Feb 193 34305 34975
88C Feb 124 19404 19640
89A Feb 197 34099 34975
89B Feb 168 32948 34975
89C Apr 100 17118 19640

Month #Cont Points
Oct08 181 29849
Nov08 1362 215967
Dec08 867 147293
Jan09 1211 199114
Feb09 1258 190615
Mar09 1383 237144
Apr09 1328 232902
May09 938 164890
Jun09 1177 204704
Jul09 1804 289668
Aug09 1359 227040
Sep09 1151 192814
Oct09 1205 205866
Nov09 845 124500
Dec09 521 82214
Jan10 619 102902
Feb10 445 71318
Mar10 648 109120
Apr10 668 110101
May10 701 115602

I'm still in the process of double checking contracts. It will take at least another month.

dizfan

06-15-2010, 02:32 PM

Congratulations to the DVC guides.

Based on the deeds I've found on the OCC web site, they went over 20,000 closed contracts at BLT earlier this month.

wdrl

06-16-2010, 08:54 AM

Congratulations to the DVC guides.

Based on the deeds I've found on the OCC web site, they went over 20,000 closed contracts at BLT earlier this month.

Not only have over 20,000 contracts been sold, but over 15,000 master contracts have been issued for BLT. Although some of these master contracts were sold to DVC members that wanted a different UY or different owner's title than their existing contracts, the vast majority of these contracts represent new members joining the DVC community.

dizfan

06-17-2010, 12:17 PM

Sales numbers for contracts I've found on the Orange County Comptroller's web site for contracts through 6/14/2010. I excluded a few contracts that have invalid Units for BLT and also removed a few contracts that were "corrected deed"s.

20,204 total contracts
3,342,694 total points sold

Unit UY #Cont Sold Total
02A Feb 232 38577 39280
02B Mar 137 19238 19640
03A Mar 276 38642 39280
03B Apr 137 19243 19640
04A Apr 266 38336 39280
04B Jun 128 19283 19640
05A --- 0 --- ---
05B Aug 141 19239 19640
05C Aug 131 19243 19640
06A Sep 252 38285 39280
06B Sep 133 19179 19640
07A Oct 142 19222 19640
07B Oct 153 19233 19640
07C Dec 132 18991 19640
08A Dec 279 38696 39280
08B Feb 102 19436 19640
09A Dec 123 19233 19640
09B Feb 119 19233 19640
09C Feb 115 19229 19640
10A Mar 258 38659 39280
10B Apr 149 19224 19640
11A Feb 108 19222 19640
11B Feb 99 19236 19640
11C Feb 121 19501 19640
12A Jun 328 38470 39280
12B Feb 107 19243 39280
13A Aug 170 19384 19640
13B Feb 109 19244 19640
13C Feb 99 19233 19640
14A Feb 195 38484 39280
14B Oct 138 19420 19640
15A Feb 99 19222 19640
15B Dec 197 19050 19640
15C Feb 111 19241 19640
16A Dec 264 38212 39280
16B Feb 99 19145 19640
17A Feb 104 19408 19640
17B Feb 106 19232 19640
17C Feb 101 19237 19640
18A Dec 288 37731 39280
18B Feb 102 19077 19640
19A Feb 105 19240 19640
19B Sep 112 17524 19640
19C Jun 227 38547 39280
20A Feb 243 38630 39280
20B --- 0 --- ---
21A Sep 129 16392 19640
21B Sep 128 19272 19640
21C Sep 142 18674 19640
22A Feb 200 38121 39280
22B Aug 159 19223 19640
23A Feb 205 38630 39280
23B Oct 130 18892 19640
24A Feb 112 19545 19640
24B Feb 100 18869 19640
24C Feb 101 19240 19640
25A Feb 201 38468 39280
25B Feb 113 19063 19640
26A Feb 103 19047 19640
26B Feb 111 19080 19640
26C Feb 208 38900 39280
27A Feb 196 38483 39280
27B Feb 108 19230 19640
28A Feb 107 18871 19640
28B Feb 101 19234 19640
28C Feb 104 18684 19640
29A Feb 199 38606 39280
29B Feb 106 19231 19640
30A Feb 200 38476 39280
30B Feb 107 19531 19640
31A Apr 134 18882 19640
31B Feb 114 19437 19640
31C Feb 112 18832 19640
32A Aug 269 38007 39280
32B Jun 95 15215 19640
33A Jun 122 19033 19640
33B Oct 143 19022 19640
33C Feb 203 38164 39280
34A Feb 200 37681 39280
34B Feb 115 18935 19640
35A Feb 106 19121 19640
35B Feb 104 18972 19640
35C Jun 130 19177 19640
36A Feb 202 38673 39280
36B Feb 110 19228 19640
37A Feb 202 38175 39280
37B Feb 111 19217 19640
38A Oct 132 18071 19640
38B Oct 34 6595 19640
38C Oct 3 825 19640
39A Feb 213 38466 39280
39B Oct 1 250 19640
40A Oct 1 250 19640
40B Oct 1 250 19640
40C Feb 210 37901 39280
41A Feb 199 37913 39280
41B Feb 100 18409 19640
42A Mar 106 18740 19640
42B --- 0 --- ---
42C Feb 114 18750 19640
43A Feb 214 37220 39280
43B Feb 96 18021 19640
44A Feb 197 36828 39280
44B Mar 103 18201 19640
45A Aug 106 17062 19640
45B Apr 115 18407 19640
45C Mar 115 19205 19640
46A Mar 192 37585 39280
46B Mar 109 18215 19640
47A Feb 128 17638 19640
47B Jun 99 17825 19640
47C Dec 229 32414 39280
48A Apr 177 31650 39280
48B Jun 99 18718 19640
49A Mar 114 18072 19640
49B Feb 110 18461 19640
49C Feb 126 18513 19640
50A Feb 133 20997 39280
50B Jun 122 17990 19640
51A Feb 73 9472 39280
51B Feb 108 18186 19640
52A Feb 101 17522 19640
52B Aug 99 17556 19640
52C Mar 99 17214 19640
53A Apr 187 34047 39280
53B Mar 26 4288 19640
54A Apr 8 1160 19640
54B Apr 10 1350 19640
54C Apr 1 425 39280
55A Apr 139 26513 39280
55B Sep 53 7876 19640
56A Aug 62 9905 19640
56B Jun 44 8230 19640
56C Dec 12 1995 19640
57A Jun 161 32029 39280
58A Jun 166 32788 39280
58B Jun 2 410 19640
59A Jun 14 2660 19640
59B Aug 0 --- 19640
60A Jun 131 24036 39280
82A Mar 226 33598 34975
82B Feb 194 34250 34975
82C Jun 244 33820 34975
87A Feb 183 33852 34975
87B Feb 187 34250 34975
87C Feb 108 19361 19640
88A Feb 198 34036 34975
88B Feb 194 34347 34975
88C Feb 124 19404 19640
89A Feb 197 34099 34975
89B Feb 175 34408 34975
89C Apr 100 17118 19640

Month #Cont Points
Oct08 181 29849
Nov08 1362 215967
Dec08 867 147293
Jan09 1211 199114
Feb09 1258 190615
Mar09 1383 237144
Apr09 1328 232902
May09 938 164890
Jun09 1177 204704
Jul09 1804 289668
Aug09 1362 227660
Sep09 1188 199099
Oct09 1230 210144
Nov09 863 127480
Dec09 542 85459
Jan10 646 107887
Feb10 469 75148
Mar10 650 109520
Apr10 703 116301
May10 701 115602
Jun10 340 56148

wdrl

07-02-2010, 04:59 PM

*** EDITED AT 10:30 PM, 7/02/2010 ***

Well, it looks like I was premature in thinking DVD did another Declaration for BLT today. When I checked OCC about 3:00 PM today, I noticed a Condo Related record showing the 13th Amendment for BLT.and declaring Phases 65 through 76. My wife and I were amazed that DVD would declare more Units for BLT since there was already 800,000+ points in its declared-but-unsold inventory. Having more declared inventory is great news for the DVC members because it means there are more rooms to book on points. But it also means that there are fewer rooms that Disney controls and can rent through CRO.

Tonight, I went back into OCC to see how many DVC deeds were posted for today. However, when I searched for all of today's Disney records, BLT's Condo Related record didn't appear. I tried several searches without any luck. Fortunately, since I previously downloaded a copy of the Declaration I had its unique OCC record number (20100387253). A search by that record number brought back a one-page record labeled "VOID." It looks like the BLT record had been pulled off of OCC.

So I guess DVD hasn't made a new Declaration for BLT after all. . . or at least not as of today.

For the time being, I'm going to keep my original posted message but just pull back the prematurely updated chart. Perhaps after the July 4th weekend DVD will file a new BLT Declaration. Stay tuned for further updates.

*** END OF EDIT ***

DVD has declared more BLT Units for the DVC membership. On June 4, 2010, DVD made the 13th Amendment to BLT's Master Declaration of Condominium, declaring 29 Units containing 38 two-bedroom villas for the DVC inventory. The 38 villas include 20 dedicated two-bedroom villas and 18 lockoff two-bedroom villas. The villas are located on the entire 11th floor and on the 12th floor from the north crescent around to the south elevator alcove. This new declaration also brings a total of 746,320 points into the DVC inventory. The 13th Amendment was recorded by the Orange County Comptroller on July 2, 2010.

With this latest declaration, DVD has declared 86.67% of BLT for the DVC membership. There are only 764,075 points left at BLT before it will be completely declared for the DVC.

Although 86.67% of BLT has been declared, only 59.52% of BLT's estimated 5,733,530 points have been sold, based on deeds recorded with the Orange County Comptroller through June 30, 2010.

There has been talk that DVD is permitting new DVC members to buy entry level contracts for as little as 50 points. Through June 30, 2010, I have yet to see a master contract at BLT for less than 100 points.

dizfan

07-06-2010, 11:49 AM

dizfan

07-06-2010, 01:03 PM

Sales numbers for contracts I've found on the Orange County Comptroller's web site for contracts through 6/30/2010. I excluded a few contracts that have invalid Units for BLT and also removed a few contracts that were "corrected deed"s.

20,631 total contracts
3,412,271 total points sold

Unit UY #Cont Sold Total
02A Feb 232 38577 39280
02B Mar 137 19238 19640
03A Mar 276 38642 39280
03B Apr 137 19243 19640
04A Apr 266 38336 39280
04B Jun 128 19283 19640
05A --- 0 --- ---
05B Aug 142 19449 19640
05C Aug 131 19243 19640
06A Sep 252 38285 39280
06B Sep 133 19179 19640
07A Oct 142 19222 19640
07B Oct 153 19233 19640
07C Dec 132 18991 19640
08A Dec 279 38696 39280
08B Feb 102 19436 19640
09A Dec 123 19233 19640
09B Feb 119 19233 19640
09C Feb 115 19229 19640
10A Mar 258 38659 39280
10B Apr 149 19224 19640
11A Feb 108 19222 19640
11B Feb 99 19236 19640
11C Feb 121 19501 19640
12A Jun 328 38470 39280
12B Feb 107 19243 39280
13A Aug 170 19384 19640
13B Feb 109 19244 19640
13C Feb 99 19233 19640
14A Feb 195 38484 39280
14B Oct 138 19420 19640
15A Feb 99 19222 19640
15B Dec 197 19050 19640
15C Feb 111 19241 19640
16A Dec 264 38212 39280
16B Feb 99 19145 19640
17A Feb 104 19408 19640
17B Feb 106 19232 19640
17C Feb 101 19237 19640
18A Dec 288 37731 39280
18B Feb 102 19077 19640
19A Feb 105 19240 19640
19B Sep 112 17524 19640
19C Jun 227 38547 39280
20A Feb 243 38630 39280
20B --- 0 --- ---
21A Sep 131 16592 19640
21B Sep 128 19272 19640
21C Sep 142 18674 19640
22A Feb 200 38121 39280
22B Aug 159 19223 19640
23A Feb 205 38630 39280
23B Oct 130 18892 19640
24A Feb 112 19545 19640
24B Feb 100 18869 19640
24C Feb 101 19240 19640
25A Feb 201 38468 39280
25B Feb 113 19063 19640
26A Feb 103 19047 19640
26B Feb 111 19080 19640
26C Feb 208 38900 39280
27A Feb 196 38483 39280
27B Feb 108 19230 19640
28A Feb 107 18871 19640
28B Feb 101 19234 19640
28C Feb 104 18684 19640
29A Feb 199 38606 39280
29B Feb 106 19231 19640
30A Feb 200 38476 39280
30B Feb 107 19531 19640
31A Apr 134 18882 19640
31B Feb 115 19487 19640
31C Feb 112 18832 19640
32A Aug 269 38007 39280
32B Jun 99 15975 19640
33A Jun 124 19233 19640
33B Oct 143 19022 19640
33C Feb 203 38164 39280
34A Feb 200 37681 39280
34B Feb 115 18935 19640
35A Feb 106 19121 19640
35B Feb 104 18972 19640
35C Jun 130 19177 19640
36A Feb 202 38673 39280
36B Feb 110 19228 19640
37A Feb 202 38175 39280
37B Feb 111 19217 19640
38A Oct 133 18231 19640
38B Oct 68 11930 19640
38C Oct 3 825 19640
39A Feb 213 38466 39280
39B Oct 1 250 19640
40A Oct 2 650 19640
40B Oct 1 250 19640
40C Feb 210 37901 39280
41A Feb 199 37913 39280
41B Feb 101 18685 19640
42A Mar 106 18740 19640
42B --- 0 --- ---
42C Feb 114 18750 19640
43A Feb 214 37220 39280
43B Feb 96 18021 19640
44A Feb 198 36953 39280
44B Mar 103 18201 19640
45A Aug 108 17287 19640
45B Apr 115 18407 19640
45C Mar 115 19205 19640
46A Mar 192 37585 39280
46B Mar 109 18215 19640
47A Feb 128 17638 19640
47B Jun 99 17825 19640
47C Dec 241 34360 39280
48A Apr 177 31650 39280
48B Jun 99 18718 19640
49A Mar 114 18072 19640
49B Feb 110 18461 19640
49C Feb 126 18513 19640
50A Feb 161 24004 39280
50B Jun 122 17990 19640
51A Feb 77 10127 39280
51B Feb 108 18186 19640
52A Feb 102 17682 19640
52B Aug 102 18066 19640
52C Mar 103 17724 19640
53A Apr 193 34667 39280
53B Mar 29 4638 19640
54A Apr 8 1160 19640
54B Apr 10 1350 19640
54C Apr 1 425 39280
55A Apr 143 27393 39280
55B Sep 74 11131 19640
56A Aug 93 14483 19640
56B Jun 80 14252 19640
56C Dec 41 6735 19640
57A Jun 167 33149 39280
58A Jun 176 34998 39280
58B Jun 16 2715 19640
59A Jun 58 11065 19640
59B Aug 52 8815 19640
60A Jun 170 30789 39280
60B Aug 0 --- 19640
82A Mar 226 33598 34975
82B Feb 194 34250 34975
82C Jun 244 33820 34975
87A Feb 183 33852 34975
87B Feb 187 34250 34975
87C Feb 108 19361 19640
88A Feb 198 34036 34975
88B Feb 196 34422 34975
88C Feb 124 19404 19640
89A Feb 197 34099 34975
89B Feb 175 34408 34975
89C Apr 100 17118 19640

Month #Cont Points
Oct08 181 29849
Nov08 1362 215967
Dec08 867 147293
Jan09 1211 199114
Feb09 1258 190615
Mar09 1383 237144
Apr09 1328 232902
May09 938 164890
Jun09 1177 204704
Jul09 1804 289668
Aug09 1362 227660
Sep09 1188 199099
Oct09 1230 210144
Nov09 863 127480
Dec09 542 85459
Jan10 646 107887
Feb10 469 75148
Mar10 650 109520
Apr10 703 116301
May10 701 115602
Jun10 767 125725

Greysword

07-06-2010, 01:57 PM

Excellent job, gentlemen, as always! :thumbsup2

These statistics paint an interesting picture, and I wonder if DVD is paying attention to them. It seems the best month for BLT sales was in July of last year, when they had the Wishmeister presentations at WDW. Other presentation attempts since then have been lackluster for sales.

Also, notice the quick drop in Nov 2009, which is indicative of the predicted "lag" in people feeling the effects of the recession.

Thanks for the details!

arthur06

07-06-2010, 02:05 PM

I need BLT to declare more units. That way the people that have BLT WL'ed will get there room. Then I can get my AKL WL to come thru!

dizfan

07-06-2010, 02:53 PM

Also, notice the quick drop in Nov 2009, which is indicative of the predicted "lag" in people feeling the effects of the recession.

October 4, 2009 DVD raised BLT to $120 base price. Around that same time, they had significantly better incentives for AKV. Not surprisingly, sales slowed at BLT and increased at AKV. I think BLT was $115/pt with incentives while AKV was around $96/pt with incentives.

Many contracts for BLT were started just before the price increase and increased the number of BLT contracts on the OCC web site for October. By November, most of the pre-increase sales were closed and recorded on the OCC. Even some of the early November contracts were part of the pre-price increase.

wdrl

07-06-2010, 04:19 PM

As dizfan mentioned in a post this morning, BLT Declaration #13 was refiled today (7/06/2010) with the Orange County Comptroller. Substantively, today's refiled Declaration appears to be the same as the one that was filed and voided on 7/02/2010. Here is what I posted on 7/02/2010 before that Declaration was voided:

DVD has declared more BLT Units for the DVC membership. On June 4, 2010, DVD made the 13th Amendment to BLT's Master Declaration of Condominium, declaring 29 Units containing 38 two-bedroom villas for the DVC inventory. The 38 villas include 20 dedicated two-bedroom villas and 18 lockoff two-bedroom villas. The villas are located on the entire 11th floor and on the 12th floor from the north crescent around to the south elevator alcove. This new declaration also brings a total of 746,320 points into the DVC inventory. The 13th Amendment was recorded by the Orange County Comptroller on July 6, 2010.

With this latest declaration, DVD has declared 86.67% of BLT for the DVC membership. There are only 764,075 points left at BLT before it will be completely declared for the DVC. Actually, since DVD cannot sell more than 98% of a resort, there are only 649,404 points left to be declared for the Membership.

Although 86.67% of BLT has been declared, only 59.52% of BLT's estimated 5,733,530 points have been sold, based on deeds recorded with the Orange County Comptroller through June 30, 2010.

There has been talk that DVD is permitting new DVC members to buy entry level contracts for as little as 50 points. Through June 30, 2010, I have yet to see a master contract at BLT for less than 100 points.

I'm amazed by the timing and size of this Declaration. As the chart shows, BLT now has over 1,557,000 unsold-but-declared points. That is equivalent of 79 two-bedroom villas. This means that if all of the BLT owners used their points exclusively at BLT, there would still be 79 two-bedroom villas available for non-BLT owners. Another way to look at it is that the entire VWL resort only has 1,962,300 points.

The bottom line is that this latest Declaration is good news for Members who have a waitlist. Good luck to all Members who are in waitlist limbo!!

http://i124.photobucket.com/albums/p30/wdrl/000174.jpg

arthur06

07-06-2010, 05:05 PM

The bottom line is that this latest Declaration is good news for Members who have a waitlist. Good luck to all Members who are in waitlist limbo!!

How soon do these points go into the inventory? Will they load today? Tomorrow? Any idea?

wdrl

07-06-2010, 05:34 PM

How soon do these points go into the inventory? Will they load today? Tomorrow? Any idea?

These points became part of the DVC inventory on June 4, 2010, the date that DVD made the Declaration. Although the Declaration was not recorded at OCC until today, the actual process of turning over part of DVD's inventory to the DVC occurs whenever DVD says it happens. Its much like when you buy a piece of real estate: You become the owner on the closing date, even though the actual filing and recording of the deed with the County might be several days or weeks later.

I take it you are still waiting for your waitlist to come through?:rolleyes1

arthur06

07-06-2010, 06:45 PM

I take it you are still waiting for your waitlist to come through?:rolleyes1

Yep, I'm still waiting... Might just have to add on with the condition that I get the room I want... :rotfl2:

dizfan

08-04-2010, 04:27 PM

Sales numbers for contracts I've found on the Orange County Comptroller's web site for contracts through 7/29/2010.

21,409 total contracts
3,536,342 total points sold

Unit UY #Cont Sold Total
02A Feb 232 38577 39280
02B Mar 137 19238 19640
03A Mar 276 38642 39280
03B Apr 137 19243 19640
04A Apr 266 38336 39280
04B Jun 128 19283 19640
05A --- 0 --- ---
05B Aug 142 19449 19640
05C Aug 131 19243 19640
06A Sep 252 38285 39280
06B Sep 133 19179 19640
07A Oct 142 19222 19640
07B Oct 153 19233 19640
07C Dec 133 19091 19640
08A Dec 279 38696 39280
08B Feb 102 19436 19640
09A Dec 123 19233 19640
09B Feb 119 19233 19640
09C Feb 115 19229 19640
10A Mar 258 38659 39280
10B Apr 149 19224 19640
11A Feb 108 19222 19640
11B Feb 99 19236 19640
11C Feb 121 19501 19640
12A Jun 328 38470 39280
12B Feb 107 19243 39280
13A Aug 170 19384 19640
13B Feb 109 19244 19640
13C Feb 99 19233 19640
14A Feb 195 38484 39280
14B Oct 138 19420 19640
15A Feb 99 19222 19640
15B Dec 197 19050 19640
15C Feb 111 19241 19640
16A Dec 265 38312 39280
16B Feb 99 19145 19640
17A Feb 104 19408 19640
17B Feb 106 19232 19640
17C Feb 101 19237 19640
18A Dec 290 38246 39280
18B Feb 102 19077 19640
19A Feb 105 19240 19640
19B Sep 118 18534 19640
19C Jun 227 38547 39280
20A Feb 243 38630 39280
20B --- 0 --- ---
21A Sep 137 17869 19640
21B Sep 128 19272 19640
21C Sep 142 18674 19640
22A Feb 200 38121 39280
22B Aug 159 19223 19640
23A Feb 205 38630 39280
23B Oct 130 18892 19640
24A Feb 112 19545 19640
24B Feb 100 18869 19640
24C Feb 101 19240 19640
25A Feb 201 38468 39280
25B Feb 113 19063 19640
26A Feb 103 19047 19640
26B Feb 111 19080 19640
26C Feb 208 38900 39280
27A Feb 196 38483 39280
27B Feb 108 19230 19640
28A Feb 107 18871 19640
28B Feb 101 19234 19640
28C Feb 104 18684 19640
29A Feb 199 38606 39280
29B Feb 106 19231 19640
30A Feb 200 38476 39280
30B Feb 107 19531 19640
31A Apr 134 18882 19640
31B Feb 115 19487 19640
31C Feb 112 18832 19640
32A Aug 272 38337 39280
32B Jun 103 16815 19640
33A Jun 124 19233 19640
33B Oct 143 19022 19640
33C Feb 203 38164 39280
34A Feb 200 37681 39280
34B Feb 115 18935 19640
35A Feb 106 19121 19640
35B Feb 104 18972 19640
35C Jun 130 19177 19640
36A Feb 202 38673 39280
36B Feb 110 19228 19640
37A Feb 202 38175 39280
37B Feb 111 19217 19640
38A Oct 133 18231 19640
38B Oct 99 16773 19640
38C Oct 26 4230 19640
39A Feb 213 38466 39280
39B Oct 2 450 19640
40A Oct 2 650 19640
40B Oct 1 250 19640
40C Feb 210 37901 39280
41A Feb 199 37913 39280
41B Feb 101 18685 19640
42A Mar 106 18740 19640
42B --- 0 --- ---
42C Feb 114 18750 19640
43A Feb 216 37298 39280
43B Feb 96 18021 19640
44A Feb 198 36953 39280
44B Mar 104 18251 19640
45A Aug 113 18332 19640
45B Apr 116 18607 19640
45C Mar 115 19205 19640
46A Mar 192 37585 39280
46B Mar 109 18215 19640
47A Feb 128 17638 19640
47B Jun 103 18115 19640
47C Dec 257 36555 39280
48A Apr 177 31650 39280
48B Jun 100 18843 19640
49A Mar 114 18072 19640
49B Feb 110 18461 19640
49C Feb 126 18513 19640
50A Feb 210 29364 39280
50B Jun 125 18560 19640
51A Feb 80 10607 39280
51B Feb 108 18186 19640
52A Feb 103 18002 19640
52B Aug 103 18226 19640
52C Mar 107 18099 19640
53A Apr 201 36117 39280
53B Mar 45 6473 19640
54A Apr 8 1160 19640
54B Apr 15 1910 19640
54C Apr 3 925 39280
55A Apr 149 28718 39280
55B Sep 101 15491 19640
56A Aug 111 16918 19640
56B Jun 100 18097 19640
56C Dec 100 15370 19640
57A Jun 173 34404 39280
58A Jun 180 35768 39280
58B Jun 22 3710 19640
59A Jun 67 12715 19640
59B Aug 95 15290 19640
60A Jun 180 32285 39280
60B Aug 73 11053 19640
61A Aug 64 11145 19640
61B --- 0 --- ---
61C Dec 28 4682 39280
62A Aug 17 3085 39280
62B Aug 55 9387 19640
63A Sep 12 2200 19640
63B Aug 41 7610 19640
64A --- 0 --- ---
64B --- 0 --- ---
82A Mar 226 33598 34975
82B Feb 194 34250 34975
82C Jun 244 33820 34975
87A Feb 183 33852 34975
87B Feb 187 34250 34975
87C Feb 108 19361 19640
88A Feb 198 34036 34975
88B Feb 196 34422 34975
88C Feb 124 19404 19640
89A Feb 197 34099 34975
89B Feb 175 34408 34975
89C Apr 100 17118 19640

Month #Cont Points
Oct08 181 29849
Nov08 1362 215967
Dec08 867 147293
Jan09 1211 199114
Feb09 1258 190615
Mar09 1383 237144
Apr09 1328 232902
May09 938 164890
Jun09 1177 204704
Jul09 1804 289668
Aug09 1362 227660
Sep09 1188 199099
Oct09 1230 210144
Nov09 863 127480
Dec09 542 85459
Jan10 646 107887
Feb10 469 75148
Mar10 650 109520
Apr10 703 116301
May10 701 115602
Jun10 767 125725
Jul10 778 124071

wdrl

08-04-2010, 05:52 PM

Sales numbers for contracts I've found on the Orange County Comptroller's web site for contracts through 7/29/2010.

21,409 total contracts
3,536,342 total points sold

Good work, dizfan!

I show 3,536,202 total points sold for BLT. Do you think we ought to go through all 21,409 contracts to see which number is correct?

As of July 29,2010, BLT has sold about 61.68% of its 5,733,530 total points. Disney has declared 86.67% of BLT for the DVC membership. Since no Disney deeds were posted at OCC for July 30th or 31st, these numbers represent the total points sold through July 2010.

dizfan

08-04-2010, 09:25 PM

I show 3,536,202 total points sold for BLT. Do you think we ought to go through all 21,409 contracts to see which number is correct?

:rotfl2:

wdrl

09-03-2010, 02:59 PM

BLT had a very good sales month in August 2010. According to data collected from deeds recorded at the Orange County Comptroller's website in August, DVD sold 168,516 BLT points. Its the best single month so far in 2010, and the best month since October 2009.

http://i124.photobucket.com/albums/p30/wdrl/Spreadsheets/0001Sp.jpg

Not surprisingly, a lot of contracts recorded at OCC in August were for the August and September UYs. Buyers, both new and existing member doing add-ons, are taking advantage of buying points right before the end of the UY so that they can get 2009 points as well as 2010 points.

If BLT maintains its current rate of monthly sales, then DVD will reach the 98% maximum sales limit at BLT in about 11 months.

dizfan

09-07-2010, 01:16 PM

Sales numbers for contracts I've found on the Orange County Comptroller's web site for contracts through 8/31/2010.

22,444 total contracts
3,703,698 total points sold

Unit UY #Cont Sold Total
02A Feb 232 38577 39280
02B Mar 137 19238 19640
03A Mar 276 38642 39280
03B Apr 137 19243 19640
04A Apr 266 38336 39280
04B Jun 128 19283 19640
05A --- 0 --- ---
05B Aug 142 19449 19640
05C Aug 131 19243 19640
06A Sep 253 38445 39280
06B Sep 133 19179 19640
07A Oct 142 19222 19640
07B Oct 153 19233 19640
07C Dec 133 19091 19640
08A Dec 279 38696 39280
08B Feb 102 19436 19640
09A Dec 123 19233 19640
09B Feb 119 19233 19640
09C Feb 115 19229 19640
10A Mar 259 38784 39280
10B Apr 149 19224 19640
11A Feb 108 19222 19640
11B Feb 99 19236 19640
11C Feb 121 19501 19640
12A Jun 328 38470 39280
12B Feb 107 19243 39280
13A Aug 170 19384 19640
13B Feb 109 19244 19640
13C Feb 99 19233 19640
14A Feb 195 38484 39280
14B Oct 138 19420 19640
15A Feb 99 19222 19640
15B Dec 197 19050 19640
15C Feb 111 19241 19640
16A Dec 265 38312 39280
16B Feb 99 19145 19640
17A Feb 104 19408 19640
17B Feb 106 19232 19640
17C Feb 101 19237 19640
18A Dec 290 38246 39280
18B Feb 102 19077 19640
19A Feb 105 19240 19640
19B Sep 123 19404 19640
19C Jun 227 38547 39280
20A Feb 243 38630 39280
20B --- 0 --- ---
21A Sep 139 18319 19640
21B Sep 129 19432 19640
21C Sep 143 18834 19640
22A Feb 200 38121 39280
22B Aug 159 19223 19640
23A Feb 205 38630 39280
23B Oct 130 18892 19640
24A Feb 112 19545 19640
24B Feb 100 18869 19640
24C Feb 101 19240 19640
25A Feb 201 38468 39280
25B Feb 113 19063 19640
26A Feb 103 19047 19640
26B Feb 111 19080 19640
26C Feb 208 38900 39280
27A Feb 196 38483 39280
27B Feb 108 19230 19640
28A Feb 107 18871 19640
28B Feb 101 19234 19640
28C Feb 105 18744 19640
29A Feb 199 38606 39280
29B Feb 106 19231 19640
30A Feb 200 38476 39280
30B Feb 107 19531 19640
31A Apr 134 18882 19640
31B Feb 115 19487 19640
31C Feb 112 18832 19640
32A Aug 275 38562 39280
32B Jun 106 17675 19640
33A Jun 124 19233 19640
33B Oct 143 19022 19640
33C Feb 204 38314 39280
34A Feb 200 37681 39280
34B Feb 116 19060 19640
35A Feb 106 19121 19640
35B Feb 104 18972 19640
35C Jun 130 19177 19640
36A Feb 202 38673 39280
36B Feb 110 19228 19640
37A Feb 202 38175 39280
37B Feb 111 19217 19640
38A Oct 133 18231 19640
38B Oct 109 17803 19640
38C Oct 85 12545 19640
39A Feb 213 38466 39280
39B Oct 8 1580 19640
40A Oct 3 900 19640
40B Oct 1 250 19640
40C Feb 211 38101 39280
41A Feb 199 37913 39280
41B Feb 101 18685 19640
42A Mar 106 18740 19640
42B --- 0 --- ---
42C Feb 114 18750 19640
43A Feb 224 38223 39280
43B Feb 103 18651 19640
44A Feb 198 36953 39280
44B Mar 104 18251 19640
45A Aug 115 18482 19640
45B Apr 116 18607 19640
45C Mar 116 19235 19640
46A Mar 192 37585 39280
46B Mar 109 18215 19640
47A Feb 128 17638 19640
47B Jun 103 18115 19640
47C Dec 261 36855 39280
48A Apr 177 31650 39280
48B Jun 100 18843 19640
49A Mar 114 18072 19640
49B Feb 110 18461 19640
49C Feb 126 18513 19640
50A Feb 260 35054 39280
50B Jun 125 18560 19640
51A Feb 88 12277 39280
51B Feb 108 18186 19640
52A Feb 103 18002 19640
52B Aug 108 19069 19640
52C Mar 112 18679 19640
53A Apr 208 36837 39280
53B Mar 64 9178 19640
54A Apr 8 1160 19640
54B Apr 19 2235 19640
54C Apr 3 925 39280
55A Apr 157 30108 39280
55B Sep 119 17468 19640
56A Aug 118 17838 19640
56B Jun 103 18397 19640
56C Dec 122 18255 19640
57A Jun 178 35769 39280
57B Dec 43 6529 19640
58A Jun 188 36588 39280
58B Jun 34 5295 19640
59A Jun 71 13375 19640
59B Aug 113 17374 19640
59C Aug 106 17867 19640
60A Jun 196 34350 39280
60B Aug 93 14483 19640
61A Aug 89 15840 19640
61B --- 55 9740 ---
61C Dec 132 21942 39280
62A Aug 158 29533 39280
62B Aug 93 15082 19640
63A Sep 63 11683 19640
63B Aug 86 16087 19640
63C Dec 1 300 19640
64A --- 0 --- ---
64B Aug 10 2150 19640
65A --- 0 --- ---
65B Aug 70 11938 19640
66A Sep 49 9060 19640
66B Sep 39 5670 19640
66C Sep 8 1810 19640
67B Sep 1 250 19640
82A Mar 226 33598 34975
82B Feb 194 34250 34975
82C Jun 244 33820 34975
87A Feb 183 33852 34975
87B Feb 187 34250 34975
87C Feb 108 19361 19640
88A Feb 198 34036 34975
88B Feb 196 34422 34975
88C Feb 124 19404 19640
89A Feb 197 34099 34975
89B Feb 175 34408 34975
89C Apr 100 17118 19640

Month #Cont Points
Oct08 181 29849
Nov08 1362 215967
Dec08 867 147293
Jan09 1211 199114
Feb09 1258 190615
Mar09 1383 237144
Apr09 1328 232902
May09 938 164890
Jun09 1177 204704
Jul09 1804 289668
Aug09 1362 227660
Sep09 1188 199099
Oct09 1230 210144
Nov09 863 127480
Dec09 542 85459
Jan10 646 107887
Feb10 469 75148
Mar10 650 109520
Apr10 703 116301
May10 701 115602
Jun10 767 125725
Jul10 778 124071
Aug10 1035 167356

dismedvc

09-10-2010, 03:37 PM

The bottom line is that this latest Declaration is good news for Members who have a waitlist. Good luck to all Members who are in waitlist limbo!!

Interesting comment about the wait list. It is either not being handled the way it should, or THEY LIED TO ME.

The first day allowed in January I booked a home resort (BLT) vacation for December. In February I called to drop the first day off that reservation. The CM at MS made an error and dropped the last day off the reservation instead. We recognized the mistake immediately, but it was to late to get the day I wanted back. (The person at the top of the waitlist had already been given the day that was cancelled in error, and MS could not reverse it by giving me back my day and returning that other person to the top of the waitlist.)

I was told since it was thier error, thay would put me on a "VIP" waitlist that would move me to the top of the wait list to get that day back. (Effectively, that would put me into the spot of the person whose waitlist came through when my day was cancelled in error, so everyone else on the waitlist stayed exactly where they would have been had the error not been made.)

Six months later that wait list has not come through. I called MS and told them, if I really was on the top of the wait list, then the only way my waitlist could not have come through was if no one had cancelled that day and NO NEW INVENTORY HAD BEEN DECLARED FOR THAT DAY.

Since new inventory has been declared (in large amounts) it is almost certain that one Lake view studio has been added, so I can only conclude THEY ARE LYING TO ME, OR THEY ARE PLAYING GAMES WITH THE NEWLY DECLARED INVENTORY. Either I was not actually put on the top of the waitlist, or they are using that newly declared inventory to help close sales, rahter than fill waitlist requests.

wdrl

09-10-2010, 04:50 PM

Interesting comment about the wait list. It is either not being handled the way it should, or THEY LIED TO ME.

I suggest you call MS and speak to a supervisor about your situation. If anyone could give you the relief that you are seeking, it would be an MS supervisor. Good luck on getting it resolved.

dismedvc

09-13-2010, 03:36 PM

I'm amazed by the timing and size of this Declaration. As the chart shows, BLT now has over 1,557,000 unsold-but-declared points. That is equivalent of 79 two-bedroom villas.

The bottom line is that this latest Declaration is good news for Members who have a waitlist. Good luck to all Members who are in waitlist limbo!!

I suggest you call MS and speak to a supervisor about your situation. If anyone could give you the relief that you are seeking, it would be an MS supervisor. Good luck on getting it resolved.

I talked with a supervisor today, and they could not tell me how many members are or were ahead of me on the VIP waitlist. (They said there could have been dozens of other members who were also on a VIP waitlist for the night I wanted.

They also could not confirm how many rooms have been added to member inventory since I went on the waitlist six months ago.

WDRL: do you know if all declared rooms are availalble for member booking? Obviously as points are sold, additional rooms need to be available to be booked using points. However, as you mentioned above, if there is a large number of declared but unsold points, since those points are actually still owned by Disney, could they use the room equivilants those points represent for Cash reservations and not to fill waitlist requests?

wdrl

09-13-2010, 04:58 PM

WDRL: do you know if all declared rooms are availalble for member booking? Obviously as points are sold, additional rooms need to be available to be booked using points. However, as you mentioned above, if there is a large number of declared but unsold points, since those points are actually still owned by Disney, could they use the room equivilants those points represent for Cash reservations and not to fill waitlist requests?

Sorry to hear that MS couldn't resolve your issue.

I'll try to answer some of the questions you raise about room availability.

Here is what I know (or what I think I know from reading the Master Declaration of Condominium):

Members can only book the number of vacation homes that have been declared for the DVC Membership Plan (DVCMP) on any given Use Day. If 86.6% of BLT has been declared, then members can book up to but not exceeding 86.6% of BLT using points on any given day.

DVD owns all points until they all sold to DVC members. The members currently own about 65.1% of BLT, leaving DVD with the remaining 34.9%. DVD's portion includes those points not yet declared (about 764,075 points) and those points that are declared but not yet sold (about 1,239,000 points).

DVD's ownership stake in BLT is dwindling as it sells more points to the DVC members. Nevertheless, as the owner of about 2 million of BLT's points, it can use those points however it wishes. As members, we have no access to the 764,075 points that are undeclared. Although members have access to the 1,239,000 points have have been declared, there is no restriction in the Master Declaration that requires that only members access those points.

Here is what I suspect might be happening:

I don't know how DVD manages the points that have been declared but unsold. Since it owns these points, they have the right to rent out the points for cash reservations. At the same time, DVD can't rent out all of its points because it has to keep some in reserve to accommodate new sales. I suspect, but don't know, that DVD has algorithms that balance DVC usage, cash reservation demand, and DVC point sales to determine how many points it keeps in reserve at any time.

On June 4, 2010, when DVD made the last declaration for BLT, I was very surprised with the size of the Declaration. Not only was it very large, but BLT already had, if I recall correctly, over 800,000 points still unsold from previous declarations. I presumed this overdeclaration would result in more villas being available to members. Now, I wonder if some of this additional capacity was necessary because DVD is selling essentially two years worth of points on a large number of contracts.

Bottom line: There is much more about the point management process that I don't know than what I do know. But slowly, I think I am getting a better understanding of the process. I now know that when a new declaration is made I shouldn't presume it will improve the waitlist chances of members.

Hopefully, your waitlist will come through and it will all work out well for you. Keep us posted on any new developments. Good luck!!

dizfan

10-01-2010, 05:06 PM

Sales numbers for contracts I've found on the Orange County Comptroller's web site for contracts through 9/30/2010.

23,194 total contracts
3,822,552 total points sold

Unit UY #Cont Sold Total
02A Feb 232 38577 39280
02B Mar 137 19238 19640
03A Mar 276 38642 39280
03B Apr 137 19243 19640
04A Apr 266 38336 39280
04B Jun 128 19283 19640
05A --- 0 --- ---
05B Aug 142 19449 19640
05C Aug 131 19243 19640
06A Sep 253 38445 39280
06B Sep 134 19229 19640
07A Oct 142 19222 19640
07B Oct 153 19233 19640
07C Dec 133 19091 19640
08A Dec 279 38696 39280
08B Feb 102 19436 19640
09A Dec 123 19233 19640
09B Feb 119 19233 19640
09C Feb 115 19229 19640
10A Mar 265 39659 39280
10B Apr 149 19224 19640
11A Feb 108 19222 19640
11B Feb 99 19236 19640
11C Feb 121 19501 19640
12A Jun 328 38470 39280
12B Feb 107 19243 39280
13A Aug 170 19384 19640
13B Feb 109 19244 19640
13C Feb 99 19233 19640
14A Feb 195 38484 39280
14B Oct 138 19420 19640
15A Feb 99 19222 19640
15B Dec 197 19050 19640
15C Feb 111 19241 19640
16A Dec 266 38472 39280
16B Feb 99 19145 19640
17A Feb 104 19408 19640
17B Feb 106 19232 19640
17C Feb 101 19237 19640
18A Dec 290 38246 39280
18B Feb 102 19077 19640
19A Feb 105 19240 19640
19B Sep 123 19404 19640
19C Jun 227 38547 39280
20A Feb 243 38630 39280
20B --- 0 --- ---
21A Sep 140 18419 19640
21B Sep 129 19432 19640
21C Sep 143 18834 19640
22A Feb 200 38121 39280
22B Aug 159 19223 19640
23A Feb 205 38630 39280
23B Oct 130 18892 19640
24A Feb 112 19545 19640
24B Feb 100 18869 19640
24C Feb 101 19240 19640
25A Feb 201 38468 39280
25B Feb 113 19063 19640
26A Feb 103 19047 19640
26B Feb 111 19080 19640
26C Feb 208 38900 39280
27A Feb 196 38483 39280
27B Feb 108 19230 19640
28A Feb 107 18871 19640
28B Feb 101 19234 19640
28C Feb 106 18819 19640
29A Feb 199 38606 39280
29B Feb 106 19231 19640
30A Feb 200 38476 39280
30B Feb 107 19531 19640
31A Apr 134 18882 19640
31B Feb 115 19487 19640
31C Feb 112 18832 19640
32A Aug 276 38622 39280
32B Jun 106 17675 19640
33A Jun 124 19233 19640
33B Oct 143 19022 19640
33C Feb 204 38314 39280
34A Feb 202 37906 39280
34B Feb 116 19060 19640
35A Feb 106 19121 19640
35B Feb 106 19232 19640
35C Jun 130 19177 19640
36A Feb 202 38673 39280
36B Feb 110 19228 19640
37A Feb 202 38175 39280
37B Feb 111 19217 19640
38A Oct 133 18231 19640
38B Oct 111 18373 19640
38C Oct 111 16135 19640
39A Feb 213 38466 39280
39B Oct 38 6374 19640
40A Oct 11 2055 19640
40B Oct 1 250 19640
40C Feb 211 38101 39280
41A Feb 200 38163 39280
41B Feb 102 18885 19640
42A Mar 106 18740 19640
42B --- 0 --- ---
42C Feb 114 18750 19640
43A Feb 225 38323 39280
43B Feb 104 18706 19640
44A Feb 201 37763 39280
44B Mar 104 18251 19640
45A Aug 115 18482 19640
45B Apr 117 18657 19640
45C Mar 116 19235 19640
46A Mar 193 37835 39280
46B Mar 109 18215 19640
47A Feb 131 17998 19640
47B Jun 107 18835 19640
47C Dec 264 37336 39280
48A Apr 177 31650 39280
48B Jun 103 19083 19640
49A Mar 120 18777 19640
49B Feb 110 18461 19640
49C Feb 126 18513 19640
50A Feb 272 36374 39280
50B Jun 125 18560 19640
51A Feb 174 23772 39280
51B Feb 109 18406 19640
52A Feb 103 18002 19640
52B Aug 108 19069 19640
52C Mar 112 18679 19640
53A Apr 212 37162 39280
53B Mar 69 9968 19640
54A Apr 8 1160 19640
54B Apr 23 2815 19640
54C Apr 3 925 39280
55A Apr 158 30308 39280
55B Sep 125 18268 19640
56A Aug 119 17963 19640
56B Jun 106 18677 19640
56C Dec 125 18813 19640
57A Jun 182 36649 39280
57B Dec 97 14194 19640
58A Jun 190 36913 39280
58B Jun 43 6075 19640
59A Jun 73 13675 19640
59B Aug 116 17734 19640
59C Aug 107 18077 19640
60A Jun 198 34670 39280
60B Aug 98 15283 19640
61A Aug 93 16720 19640
61B --- 74 13242 ---
61C Dec 185 30682 39280
62A Aug 179 32983 39280
62B Aug 107 16997 19640
63A Sep 89 15878 19640
63B Aug 92 17027 19640
63C Dec 18 3425 19640
64A --- 0 --- ---
64B Aug 12 2510 19640
65A --- 0 --- 39280
65B Aug 95 15713 19640
66A Sep 73 13235 19640
66B Sep 95 14151 19640
66C Sep 66 12841 19640
67A --- 0 --- 39280
67B Sep 54 9742 19640
68A --- 0 --- 19640
68B --- 0 --- 19640
68C Sep 55 10325 39280
69A --- 0 --- 39280
69B --- 0 --- 19640
70A --- 0 --- 19640
70B --- 0 --- 19640
70C --- 0 --- 19640
71A --- 0 --- 39280
71B --- 0 --- 19640
72A --- 0 --- 39280
72B --- 0 --- 19640
73A --- 0 --- 19640
73B --- 0 --- 19640
73C --- 0 --- 19640
74A --- 0 --- 39280
74B --- 0 --- 19640
75A --- 0 --- 19640
75B --- 0 --- 19640
75C --- 0 --- 39280
76A --- 0 --- 39280
76B --- 0 --- 19640
82A Mar 226 33598 34975
82B Feb 194 34250 34975
82C Jun 244 33820 34975
87A Feb 183 33852 34975
87B Feb 187 34250 34975
87C Feb 108 19361 19640
88A Feb 198 34036 34975
88B Feb 196 34422 34975
88C Feb 124 19404 19640
89A Feb 197 34099 34975
89B Feb 175 34408 34975
89C Apr 100 17118 19640

Month #Cont Points
Oct08 181 29849
Nov08 1362 215967
Dec08 867 147293
Jan09 1211 199114
Feb09 1258 190615
Mar09 1383 237144
Apr09 1328 232902
May09 938 164890
Jun09 1177 204704
Jul09 1804 289668
Aug09 1362 227660
Sep09 1188 199099
Oct09 1230 210144
Nov09 863 127480
Dec09 542 85459
Jan10 646 107887
Feb10 469 75148
Mar10 650 109520
Apr10 703 116301
May10 701 115602
Jun10 767 125725
Jul10 778 124071
Aug10 1035 167356
Sep10 750 118854

wdrl

10-08-2010, 04:47 PM

The following chart shows sales at BLT through September 30, 2010:

http://i124.photobucket.com/albums/p30/wdrl/Spreadsheets/00012F.jpg

About two-thirds of BLT's total points have been sold. Since Disney cannot sell more than 98% of BLT's total points, there appears to be about 1,796,307 points remaining before BLT is sold out to the public. At the current rate of sales, BLT should reach that point in about 10-12 months.

Due in part to the large declaration of points made in June 2010, I do not anticipate another declaration of Units for the DVC membership until after the first of the year. Currently, Disney has over 1.14 million BLT points that have been declared but are unsold.

dizfan

11-02-2010, 04:07 PM

Sales numbers for contracts I've found on the Orange County Comptroller's web site for contracts through 10/31/2010.

24,083 total contracts
3,962,632 total points sold

Unit UY #Cont Sold Total
02A Feb 232 38577 39280
02B Mar 137 19238 19640
03A Mar 278 39002 39280
03B Apr 137 19243 19640
04A Apr 266 38336 39280
04B Jun 128 19283 19640
05A --- 0 --- ---
05B Aug 142 19449 19640
05C Aug 131 19243 19640
06A Sep 253 38445 39280
06B Sep 134 19229 19640
07A Oct 142 19222 19640
07B Oct 153 19233 19640
07C Dec 133 19091 19640
08A Dec 279 38696 39280
08B Feb 102 19436 19640
09A Dec 123 19233 19640
09B Feb 119 19233 19640
09C Feb 115 19229 19640
10A Mar 266 39734 39280
10B Apr 149 19224 19640
11A Feb 108 19222 19640
11B Feb 99 19236 19640
11C Feb 121 19501 19640
12A Jun 328 38470 39280
12B Feb 107 19243 39280
13A Aug 170 19384 19640
13B Feb 109 19244 19640
13C Feb 99 19233 19640
14A Feb 197 38844 39280
14B Oct 138 19420 19640
15A Feb 99 19222 19640
15B Dec 197 19050 19640
15C Feb 111 19241 19640
16A Dec 266 38472 39280
16B Feb 99 19145 19640
17A Feb 104 19408 19640
17B Feb 106 19232 19640
17C Feb 101 19237 19640
18A Dec 290 38246 39280
18B Feb 104 19337 19640
19A Feb 105 19240 19640
19B Sep 123 19404 19640
19C Jun 227 38547 39280
20A Feb 243 38630 39280
20B --- 0 --- ---
21A Sep 140 18419 19640
21B Sep 129 19432 19640
21C Sep 144 19044 19640
22A Feb 200 38121 39280
22B Aug 159 19223 19640
23A Feb 206 38790 39280
23B Oct 130 18892 19640
24A Feb 112 19545 19640
24B Feb 102 19179 19640
24C Feb 103 19450 19640
25A Feb 204 38818 39280
25B Feb 113 19063 19640
26A Feb 103 19047 19640
26B Feb 111 19080 19640
26C Feb 208 38900 39280
27A Feb 196 38483 39280
27B Feb 108 19230 19640
28A Feb 107 18871 19640
28B Feb 101 19234 19640
28C Feb 106 18819 19640
29A Feb 199 38606 39280
29B Feb 106 19231 19640
30A Feb 200 38476 39280
30B Feb 107 19531 19640
31A Apr 134 18882 19640
31B Feb 115 19487 19640
31C Feb 115 19292 19640
32A Aug 276 38622 39280
32B Jun 107 17835 19640
33A Jun 124 19233 19640
33B Oct 143 19022 19640
33C Feb 204 38314 39280
34A Feb 203 38066 39280
34B Feb 116 19060 19640
35A Feb 106 19121 19640
35B Feb 107 19392 19640
35C Jun 130 19177 19640
36A Feb 202 38673 39280
36B Feb 110 19228 19640
37A Feb 202 38175 39280
37B Feb 111 19217 19640
38A Oct 133 18231 19640
38B Oct 112 18573 19640
38C Oct 127 18205 19640
39A Feb 213 38466 39280
39B Oct 85 14474 19640
40A Oct 25 4255 19640
40B Oct 2 450 19640
40C Feb 211 38101 39280
41A Feb 200 38163 39280
41B Feb 103 19045 19640
42A Mar 108 19060 19640
42B --- 0 --- ---
42C Feb 117 19175 19640
43A Feb 225 38323 39280
43B Feb 107 19176 19640
44A Feb 203 38023 39280
44B Mar 108 18787 19640
45A Aug 115 18482 19640
45B Apr 117 18657 19640
45C Mar 116 19235 19640
46A Mar 197 38440 39280
46B Mar 116 19110 19640
47A Feb 137 18993 19640
47B Jun 107 18835 19640
47C Dec 268 37636 39280
48A Apr 177 31650 39280
48B Jun 103 19083 19640
49A Mar 126 19202 19640
49B Feb 113 19011 19640
49C Feb 128 18873 19640
50A Feb 283 37874 39280
50B Jun 125 18560 19640
51A Feb 243 34007 39280
51B Feb 115 19171 19640
52A Feb 112 19087 19640
52B Aug 108 19069 19640
52C Mar 115 19109 19640
53A Apr 222 38347 39280
53B Mar 101 15123 19640
54A Apr 8 1160 19640
54B Apr 30 3895 19640
54C Apr 5 1325 39280
55A Apr 164 31328 39280
55B Sep 127 18609 19640
56A Aug 119 17963 19640
56B Jun 106 18677 19640
56C Dec 126 18973 19640
57A Jun 185 37209 39280
57B Dec 121 17629 19640
58A Jun 200 38223 39280
58B Jun 58 7795 19640
59A Jun 73 13675 19640
59B Aug 122 18509 19640
59C Aug 108 18177 19640
60A Jun 199 34720 39280
60B Aug 104 16513 19640
61A Aug 98 17560 19640
61B Sep 92 16225 19640
61C Dec 198 32907 39280
62A Aug 189 35013 39280
62B Aug 115 17797 19640
63A Sep 97 17278 19640
63B Aug 95 17387 19640
63C Dec 58 9510 19640
64A --- 0 --- 19640
64B Aug 15 2935 19640
65A --- 0 --- 39280
65B Aug 106 17218 19640
66A Sep 86 15375 19640
66B Sep 111 16461 19640
66C Sep 82 15661 19640
67A --- 0 --- 39280
67B Sep 75 13322 19640
68A Feb 65 10450 19640
68B Mar 46 8240 19640
68C Sep 84 15785 39280
69A Feb 155 25635 39280
69B Mar 19 3050 19640
70A --- 0 --- 19640
70B Mar 17 2700 19640
70C --- 0 --- 19640
71A --- 0 --- 39280
71B --- 0 --- 19640
72A --- 0 --- 39280
72B --- 0 --- 19640
73A --- 0 --- 19640
73B --- 0 --- 19640
73C --- 0 --- 19640
74A --- 0 --- 39280
74B --- 0 --- 19640
75A --- 0 --- 19640
75B --- 0 --- 19640
75C --- 0 --- 39280
76A --- 0 --- 39280
76B --- 0 --- 19640
82A Mar 226 33598 34975
82B Feb 194 34250 34975
82C Jun 244 33820 34975
87A Feb 183 33852 34975
87B Feb 188 34450 34975
87C Feb 108 19361 19640
88A Feb 198 34036 34975
88B Feb 196 34422 34975
88C Feb 124 19404 19640
89A Feb 197 34099 34975
89B Feb 175 34408 34975
89C Apr 100 17118 19640

Month #Cont Points
Oct08 181 29849
Nov08 1362 215967
Dec08 867 147293
Jan09 1211 199114
Feb09 1258 190615
Mar09 1383 237144
Apr09 1328 232902
May09 938 164890
Jun09 1177 204704
Jul09 1804 289668
Aug09 1362 227660
Sep09 1188 199099
Oct09 1230 210144
Nov09 863 127480
Dec09 542 85459
Jan10 646 107887
Feb10 469 75148
Mar10 650 109520
Apr10 703 116301
May10 701 115602
Jun10 767 125725
Jul10 778 124071
Aug10 1035 167356
Sep10 750 118854
Oct10 889 140080

spiceycat

11-02-2010, 04:58 PM

wdrl

11-03-2010, 12:06 PM

I have updated my chart of BLT point sales to include data for October 2010.

As noted by dizfan in Post #201, October 2010 was a good month for BLT sales. The monthly total was the second best month in the last 12 months.

I had expected DVD to begin using December as the Use Year for new sales. However, it appears that March has become the default UY for recent sales. On another thread someone posted that he asked about December UY and getting 2009 points, but was told by his Guide that 2009 points were no longer available.

It will be interesting to see how the proposed base price increase from $120 to $130/point will affect BLT's sales. BLT's sales dropped significantly after BLT's base price increased from $112 to $120 in October and November 2009. I expect a downturn in sales at BLT unless new incentives effectively minimize the jump to $130.

If BLT sales maintain the current rate of 140,000 points a month, then it will take about 12 months for it to have 98% of its total points sold. As specified in the Master Declaration of Condominium, Disney cannot sell more than 98% of a DVC resort to the public.

DVD still has about a million points that it has declared for the membership but has not yet sold. Thus, there is no need for it declare more Units for the membership in the near future. I'm thinking that the last 31 Units (which comprise 5 Grand Villas and 30 two-bedroom villas) will not be declared until Spring 2011.

Readers may notice a slight difference between the numbers compiled by dizfan and me. I use an entirely manual process in adding up the numbers. Although I try to check my numbers, I'm sure some errors still occur. Between the two of us, I think we have a good feel for how sales are going at BLT.

http://i124.photobucket.com/albums/p30/wdrl/Spreadsheets/00018i.jpg

cwdefouw

11-03-2010, 03:38 PM

boy disney does not tell the truth to their employees - was talking to one of the CM that does the DVC booth.

he was told that BLT was 90% sold out.

not the 70% your numbers show.(or even the 79% of the declared units) - but are pretty far from 90%
They are going to tell you whatever they think is necessary to get you to buy points. This may be Disney, but sales tactics are the same everywhere. If a customer is told that a particular item is 90% sold out, which implies that if the customer wants some of that item, they better do it now, because there is only 10% left.

dizfan

12-02-2010, 05:22 PM

Sales numbers for contracts I've found on the Orange County Comptroller's web site for contracts through 11/30/2010.

25,108 total contracts
4,114,609 total points sold

02B Mar 138 19338 19640
03A Mar 279 39102 39280
03B Apr 137 19243 19640
04A Apr 266 38336 39280
04B Jun 129 19483 19640
05A --- 0 --- ---
05B Aug 142 19449 19640
05C Aug 131 19243 19640
06A Sep 253 38445 39280
06B Sep 134 19229 19640
07A Oct 142 19222 19640
07B Oct 153 19233 19640
07C Dec 133 19091 19640
08A Dec 280 38796 39280
08B Feb 103 19536 19640
09A Dec 123 19233 19640
09B Feb 119 19233 19640
09C Feb 116 19389 19640
10A Mar 268 39799 39280
10B Apr 149 19224 19640
11A Feb 108 19222 19640
11B Feb 99 19236 19640
11C Feb 121 19501 19640
12A Jun 328 38470 39280
12B Feb 107 19243 39280
13A Aug 170 19384 19640
13B Feb 109 19244 19640
13C Feb 99 19233 19640
14A Feb 197 38844 39280
14B Oct 138 19420 19640
15A Feb 99 19222 19640
15B Dec 197 19050 19640
15C Feb 111 19241 19640
16A Dec 266 38472 39280
16B Feb 100 19395 19640
17A Feb 104 19408 19640
17B Feb 107 19357 19640
17C Feb 102 19387 19640
18A Dec 292 38446 39280
18B Feb 105 19497 19640
19A Feb 106 19400 19640
19B Sep 123 19404 19640
19C Jun 227 38547 39280
20A Feb 243 38630 39280
20B --- 0 --- ---
21A Sep 140 18419 19640
21B Sep 129 19432 19640
21C Sep 144 19044 19640
22A Feb 202 38471 39280
22B Aug 159 19223 19640
23A Feb 206 38790 39280
23B Oct 130 18892 19640
24A Feb 113 19705 19640
24B Feb 104 19404 19640
24C Feb 103 19450 19640
25A Feb 205 38843 39280
25B Feb 115 19403 19640
26A Feb 104 19207 19640
26B Feb 113 19205 19640
26C Feb 209 39110 39280
27A Feb 198 38633 39280
27B Feb 109 19530 19640
28A Feb 107 18871 19640
28B Feb 101 19234 19640
28C Feb 106 18819 19640
29A Feb 201 38806 39280
29B Feb 106 19231 19640
30A Feb 201 38576 39280
30B Feb 108 19671 19640
31A Apr 134 18882 19640
31B Feb 115 19487 19640
31C Feb 115 19292 19640
32A Aug 276 38622 39280
32B Jun 110 18185 19640
33A Jun 124 19233 19640
33B Oct 143 19022 19640
33C Feb 205 38444 39280
34A Feb 205 38436 39280
34B Feb 117 19194 19640
35A Feb 107 19221 19640
35B Feb 107 19392 19640
35C Jun 131 19377 19640
36A Feb 202 38673 39280
36B Feb 110 19228 19640
37A Feb 202 38175 39280
37B Feb 111 19217 19640
38A Oct 133 18231 19640
38B Oct 112 18573 19640
38C Oct 129 18380 19640
39A Feb 213 38466 39280
39B Oct 104 17014 19640
40A Oct 45 7040 19640
40B Oct 2 450 19640
40C Feb 212 38261 39280
41A Feb 203 38413 39280
41B Feb 103 19045 19640
42A Mar 109 19240 19640
42B --- 0 --- ---
42C Feb 117 19175 19640
43A Feb 225 38323 39280
43B Feb 107 19176 19640
44A Feb 205 38223 39280
44B Mar 110 18997 19640
45A Aug 115 18482 19640
45B Apr 118 18707 19640
45C Mar 116 19235 19640
46A Mar 198 38500 39280
46B Mar 116 19110 19640
47A Feb 138 19243 19640
47B Jun 107 18835 19640
47C Dec 269 37869 39280
48A Apr 178 31810 39280
48B Jun 104 19193 19640
49A Mar 126 19202 19640
49B Feb 114 19061 19640
49C Feb 132 19433 19640
50A Feb 286 38304 39280
50B Jun 126 18770 19640
51A Feb 258 36437 39280
51B Feb 115 19171 19640
52A Feb 112 19087 19640
52B Aug 108 19069 19640
52C Mar 115 19109 19640
53A Apr 222 38347 39280
53B Mar 119 17753 19640
54A Apr 8 1160 19640
54B Apr 47 5685 19640
54C Apr 5 1325 39280
55A Apr 181 34114 39280
55B Sep 127 18609 19640
56A Aug 122 18298 19640
56B Jun 107 18727 19640
56C Dec 126 18973 19640
57A Jun 188 37509 39280
57B Dec 125 17954 19640
58A Jun 200 38223 39280
58B Jun 103 14080 19640
59A Jun 90 16265 19640
59B Aug 126 19070 19640
59C Aug 108 18177 19640
60A Jun 209 36510 39280
60B Aug 107 17023 19640
61A Aug 99 17660 19640
61B Sep 98 17025 19640
61C Dec 221 35638 39280
62A Aug 208 37368 39280
62B Aug 124 18657 19640
63A Sep 101 17798 19640
63B Aug 95 17387 19640
63C Dec 102 15440 19640
64A --- 0 --- 19640
64B Aug 19 3490 19640
65A Dec 3 360 39280
65B Aug 107 17328 19640
66A Sep 92 16355 19640
66B Sep 122 17641 19640
66C Sep 96 17461 19640
67A --- 0 --- 39280
67B Sep 80 13932 19640
68A Feb 96 14800 19640
68B Mar 84 14805 19640
68C Sep 98 17705 39280
69A Feb 200 32360 39280
69B Mar 89 13735 19640
70A Mar 83 13475 19640
70B Mar 79 12540 19640
70C Mar 83 12852 19640
71A Feb 16 2490 39280
71B Mar 69 11100 19640
72A Jun 55 9795 39280
72B Mar 28 4555 19640
73A --- 0 --- 19640
73B Feb 3 510 19640
73C Dec 4 430 19640
74A --- 0 --- 39280
74B --- 0 --- 19640
75A --- 0 --- 19640
75B --- 0 --- 19640
75C --- 0 --- 39280
76A --- 0 --- 39280
76B --- 0 --- 19640
82A Mar 226 33598 34975
82B Feb 194 34250 34975
82C Jun 245 34070 34975
87A Feb 184 34062 34975
87B Feb 192 34790 34975
87C Feb 109 19511 19640
88A Feb 199 34196 34975
88B Feb 196 34422 34975
88C Feb 124 19404 19640
89A Feb 197 34099 34975
89B Feb 175 34408 34975
89C Apr 101 17168 19640

Month #Cont Points
Oct08 181 29849
Nov08 1362 215967
Dec08 867 147293
Jan09 1212 199314
Feb09 1259 190775
Mar09 1385 237514
Apr09 1328 232902
May09 939 165100
Jun09 1177 204704
Jul09 1805 289768
Aug09 1363 227820
Sep09 1188 199099
Oct09 1231 210184
Nov09 863 127480
Dec09 542 85459
Jan10 646 107887
Feb10 469 75148
Mar10 651 109680
Apr10 703 116301
May10 701 115602
Jun10 770 126295
Jul10 778 124071
Aug10 1035 167356
Sep10 750 118854
Oct10 888 139920
Nov10 1014 150167

NOTE: some of my numbers from earlier numbers have been updated as a few more contracts were found and at least one of the deeds previously counted was actually a corrective deed (not a new deed).

wdrl

12-03-2010, 03:31 PM

I have updated my chart on BLT points and Use Years to reflect deeds recorded with the Orange County Comptroller through November 2010. November was a good month for BLT sales with over 151,000 points sold. If sales were to continue at that rate, by October 2011 BLT will have sold 98% of its points, which is the maximum permitted by the Master Declaration. However, I expect that BLT's sales may slip a little now that its base price was recently increased to $130/point. Nevertheless, I think its likely that BLT will be "sold out" by the end of 2011.

Based on deeds recorded in November, it appears that DVD is using both March and June as the 'default' UY. The February UY, however, is the predominant UY at BLT. To date, over 48% of all points sold at BLT are in the February UY. By comparison, only 4.27% of BLT's points have been sold for the October UY. None of the WDW DVC resorts have their points equally distributed among the eight UYs, but none are so heavily skewed toward a single UY like BLT is toward the February UY.

BLT still has 5 Grand Villas and 30 two-bedroom villas (representing 31 Units and about 764,075 points) that have not been declared for the DVC membership. I would expect some or all of those Units to be declared within the next 2-3 months. Of course, I have been wrong in the past with my predictions about future declarations, so don't bet your FastPasses on my guesses.

Readers of this thread will notice that my numbers and dizfan's numbers are quite close to each other, but that they don't match. Extracting the data from the OCC website is a manual process and is dependent on records being properly labeled by OCC and DVD. A deed can be overlooked if its mislabeled, not to mention simple math errors can occur as I try to count the deeds and the points. But between dizfan's data and my mine, I think we have a good feel for how sales are progressing at BLT.

http://i124.photobucket.com/albums/p30/wdrl/Spreadsheets/0001vd.jpg

dizfan

01-04-2011, 10:49 PM

Sales numbers for contracts I've found on the Orange County Comptroller's web site for contracts through 12/29/2010.

26,561 total contracts
4,320,117 total points sold

Month #Cont Points
Oct08 181 29849
Nov08 1362 215967
Dec08 867 147293
Jan09 1212 199314
Feb09 1259 190775
Mar09 1385 237514
Apr09 1328 232902
May09 939 165100
Jun09 1177 204704
Jul09 1805 289768
Aug09 1363 227820
Sep09 1188 199099
Oct09 1231 210184
Nov09 863 127480
Dec09 542 85459
Jan10 646 107887
Feb10 469 75148
Mar10 651 109680
Apr10 703 116301
May10 701 115602
Jun10 770 126295
Jul10 778 124071
Aug10 1035 167356
Sep10 750 118854
Oct10 888 139920
Nov10 1014 150167
Dec10 1454 205608

nakraza

01-05-2011, 01:18 AM

:thumbsup2

wdrl

01-05-2011, 02:34 PM

I have updated my chart on BLT points and Use Years to reflect deeds recorded with the Orange County Comptroller through December 2010. December was the third month in a row with increased sales at BLT. In fact December was the best month of the year for BLT sales, and the best month since October 2009.

With the recent base price increase to $130/point, I doubt BLT can maintain monthly sales at the 200,000+ point level. But even if its monthly sales drop to 150,000 points, BLT should sell 98% of its points by September 2011. As with all DVC resorts, DVD cannot sell more than 98% of a resort's total points to the public. It would not surprise me if DVD announces that BLT has reached its final "sell-out" phase this Spring.

Based on deeds recorded in December, it appears that DVD is using June as the default UY. The February UY, however, is the predominant UY at BLT. Even if no more Units were declared for the February UY, BLT will have almost 37% of its total points in that UY. No other WDW DVC resort is that heavily skewed toward a single UY.

BLT still has 5 Grand Villas and 30 two-bedroom villas (representing 31 Units and about 764,075 points) that have not been declared for the DVC membership. However, at the rate DVD is selling points, I expect another BLT declaration to be made before the end of January 2011. It will be interesting to see whether DVD declares all the remaining Units, or whether it holds back some for another declaration later in the year.

Readers of this thread will notice that my numbers and dizfan's numbers are quite close to each other, but that they don't match. Extracting the data from the OCC website is a manual process and is dependent on records being properly labeled by OCC and DVD. A deed can be overlooked if its mislabeled, not to mention simple math errors can occur as I try to count the deeds and the points. But between dizfan's data and my mine, I think we have a good feel for how sales are progressing at BLT.

http://i124.photobucket.com/albums/p30/wdrl/Spreadsheets/0001A0.jpg

dizfan

01-18-2011, 09:43 AM

Looks like another BLT declaration is on the OCC today. Justing waiting for them to upload the documents.

wdrl

01-18-2011, 03:02 PM

DVD has declared more BLT Units for the DVC membership. On January 12, 2011, DVD made the 14th Amendment to BLT's Master Declaration of Condominium, declaring 13 Units containing 16 two-bedroom villas for the DVC inventory. The 16 villas include 7 dedicated two-bedroom villas and 9 lockoff two-bedroom villas. The villas are located on the south wing of the 12th floor and on the 14th floor from the north crescent around to center portion of the crescent facing the pool (Note: There is no 13th floor at BLT). This new declaration brings a total of 314,240 points into the DVC inventory. The 14th Amendment was recorded with the Orange County Comptroller on January 18, 2011.

With this latest declaration, it appears that DVD has declared 92.15% of BLT for the DVC membership. There are only 449,835 points left at BLT before it will be completely declared for the DVC. The undeclared inventory at BLT now consists of 14 two-bedroom villas and 5 Grand Villas. Actually, since DVD cannot sell more than 98% of a resort, there are only 335,164 points left to be declared for the Membership. I expect DVD to make only one more Declaration, perhaps in late Spring, before BLT is sold out.

Although 92.15% of BLT has been declared, only 76.47% of BLT's estimated 5,733,530 points have been sold, based on deeds recorded with the Orange County Comptroller through January 11, 2011. However, based on the rate of sales at BLT for the last 2-4 months, BLT should be sold out by September or October 2011.

dizfan

01-18-2011, 03:23 PM

wdrl thank you for analyzing the information and keeping us informed.

work2play

01-18-2011, 06:30 PM

wdrl- Great info! Thank you! You would think with the price at $130 a point it would slow down, but location, location, location!!

wdrl

02-03-2011, 08:31 AM

I have updated my chart on BLT points and Use Years to reflect deeds recorded with the Orange County Comptroller through January 2011.

With only 146,151 points sold in January, BLT saw a drop in sales of about 60,000 points compared to December 2010. This drop was not unexpected since its base price was increased to $130. Although BLT outsells the other WDW resorts by a wide margin, it appears that some of DVD's sales efforts are beginning to shift away from BLT. AKV saw an increase of about 30,000 points in its sales. It also appears that DVD has plans to replace the BLT models at the SSR DVC sales center with models of the Aulani villas.

Even if sales drop at BLT, I expect it to be sold out before the end of 2011. DVD can only sell 98% of a DVC resort and it has sold about 77.9% of BLT to date. BLT has to average only 105,000 points in monthly sales to reach the 98% mark by December 2011. Since BLT has averaged about 155,000 points in monthly sales the last six months, its reasonable to think BLT will sell out soon.

Based on deeds recorded in January, it appears that DVD is using June and August as the default UYs. The February UY, however, remains the predominant UY at BLT.

There are only 449,835 points left at BLT before it will be completely declared for the DVC. The undeclared inventory at BLT now consists of 14 two-bedroom villas and 5 Grand Villas.

http://i124.photobucket.com/albums/p30/wdrl/Spreadsheets/0001NY.jpg

dizfan

02-03-2011, 10:24 PM

Sales numbers for contracts I've found on the Orange County Comptroller's web site for contracts through 1/31/2010.

You will notice wdrl and I are very similar in our numbers. Considering the number of deeds and the work of going through thousands of contracts, it's impressive that we are so close.

Also, my June 2010 numbers are slightly different than my early posts because I found one of the deeds I previously credited was a corrective deed.

27,535 total contracts
4,465,238 total points sold

Month #Cont Points
Oct08 181 29849
Nov08 1362 215967
Dec08 867 147293
Jan09 1212 199314
Feb09 1259 190775
Mar09 1385 237514
Apr09 1328 232902
May09 939 165100
Jun09 1177 204704
Jul09 1805 289768
Aug09 1363 227820
Sep09 1188 199099
Oct09 1231 210184
Nov09 863 127480
Dec09 542 85459
Jan10 646 107887
Feb10 469 75148
Mar10 651 109680
Apr10 703 116301
May10 701 115602
Jun10 769 126195
Jul10 778 124071
Aug10 1035 167356
Sep10 750 118854
Oct10 888 139920
Nov10 1014 150167
Dec10 1454 205608
Jan11 974 145121

dizfan

03-03-2011, 03:23 PM

Sales numbers for contracts I've found on the Orange County Comptroller's web site for contracts through 2/28/2011.
(All corrective deeds that I noticed are not included in my totals because they are replacements for earlier deeds). There were two corrective deeds that I noticed in the Feb 2011 deeds.

28,177 total contracts
4,564,073 total points sold

Month #Cont Points
Oct08 181 29849
Nov08 1362 215967
Dec08 867 147293
Jan09 1212 199314
Feb09 1259 190775
Mar09 1385 237514
Apr09 1328 232902
May09 939 165100
Jun09 1177 204704
Jul09 1805 289768
Aug09 1363 227820
Sep09 1188 199099
Oct09 1231 210184
Nov09 863 127480
Dec09 542 85459
Jan10 646 107887
Feb10 469 75148
Mar10 651 109680
Apr10 703 116301
May10 701 115602
Jun10 769 126195
Jul10 778 124071
Aug10 1035 167356
Sep10 750 118854
Oct10 888 139920
Nov10 1014 150167
Dec10 1454 205608
Jan11 974 145121
Feb11 642 98835

For reference of drop offs,
BLT went from $112 to $120/pt on November 1, 2009.
BLT went from $120 to $130/pt in early December, 2010.
BLT going to $140/pt this month, so I expect another slowdown in BLT sales to appear within the next couple months.

It will be interesting to see wdrl's numbers for both AKV and SSR/THV.

wdrl

03-03-2011, 10:28 PM

As noted by dizfan, February 2011 was a slow month for sales at BLT. For the first time since February 2010, less than 100,000 points were sold at BLT, based on deeds filed by DVD and recorded with the Orange County Comptroller. The drop in sales from the previous months may be due the recent increase in BLT's base price to $130, or it might reflect the normal seasonal downturn in sales after the Holiday season.

Despite the downturn in sales, BLT should still sell out by the end of 2011. Over 79% of BLT's total points have been sold and it is only 1,051,486 points shy of reaching 98% of total point sold, which is the maximum percentage that DVD can sell to the public. It will be interesting to see how many points DVD decides to retain for itself after BLT is declared to be sold out.

During February, it appeared that DVD was using August and September as the default UY. However, the February UY remains the predominant UY at BLT.

http://i124.photobucket.com/albums/p30/wdrl/Spreadsheets/0001Nj.jpg

wdrl

03-28-2011, 02:40 PM

On March 21, 2011, Disney Vacation Development (DVD) made the 15th Amendment to BLT's Master Declaration adding seven more Units to the DVC inventory. The seven Units contain three Grand Villas and six two-bedroom villas and account for 222,765 points.

DVD has now declared 96.04% of BLT for the DVC inventory. This means that on any given Use Day Members can use points to book up to but not exceeding 96.04% of BLT's villas. This includes any points traded out of the Vacation Club by BLT owners to use for the Disney Cruise Line, Concierge Collection, RCI, and other exchanges.

Still undeclared at BLT are two Grand Villas and eight two-bedroom villas. I suspect that DVD will declare those villas for the DVC inventory early this summer.

Despite the recent hikes in BLT's base price per point, sales have remained strong. As can be seen in the chart below, about 81.48% of BLT's total points have been sold to the general public. At the current rate of sales, BLT should be sold out before the end of this year.

http://i124.photobucket.com/albums/p30/wdrl/Spreadsheets/00010E.jpg

dizfan

04-04-2011, 10:51 PM

Sales numbers for contracts I've found on the Orange County Comptroller's web site for contracts through 3/31/2011.

29,225 total contracts
4,724,860 total points sold

Month #Cont Points
Oct08 181 29849
Nov08 1362 215967
Dec08 867 147293
Jan09 1212 199314
Feb09 1259 190775
Mar09 1385 237514
Apr09 1328 232902
May09 939 165100
Jun09 1177 204704
Jul09 1805 289768
Aug09 1363 227820
Sep09 1188 199099
Oct09 1231 210184
Nov09 863 127480
Dec09 542 85459
Jan10 646 107887
Feb10 469 75148
Mar10 651 109680
Apr10 703 116301
May10 701 115602
Jun10 769 126195
Jul10 778 124071
Aug10 1035 167356
Sep10 750 118854
Oct10 888 139920
Nov10 1014 150167
Dec10 1454 205608
Jan11 974 145121
Feb11 642 98835
Mar11 1048 160787

For reference of price changes and how they impact sales. Keep in mind contracts take 2+ weeks to show up on the OCC.
BLT went from $112 to $120/pt on November 1, 2009.
BLT went from $120 to $130/pt in early December, 2010.

It will be interesting to see wdrl's numbers for both AKV and SSR/THV.

wdrl

04-05-2011, 07:07 PM

After posting a 12-month low in February 2011, sales at BLT rebounded in March 2011. Based on deeds filed and recorded with the Orange County Comptroller, BLT sold 162,564 points, the second highest monthly total since August 2010. Total sales have now reached 4,729,937, about 82.5% of BLT's 5,733,530 total points. At the current rate of sales, DVD should reach 98% of sales -- the maximum allowed by the Master Declaration -- before the end of 2011.

As shown in the chart below, DVD has declared 96.04% of BLT for the DVC inventory. There are only 227,070 points -- the equivalent of two Grand Villas and eight two-bedroom villas -- left to be declared.

http://i124.photobucket.com/albums/p30/wdrl/Spreadsheets/0001Ty.jpg

My numbers and those of dizfan don't match exactly. Extracting the data from the OCC website is a manual process and is dependent on records being properly labeled by OCC and DVD. A deed can be overlooked if it is mislabeled, and simple math errors can occur as I try to count the deeds and the points. But between dizfan's data and my mine, I think we have a good feel for how sales are progressing at BLT.

dizfan

05-03-2011, 04:12 PM

As wdrl points out, our numbers don't match exactly. It's a very manual and time consuming task. However, our numbers provide a good idea of the overall sales.

Sales numbers for contracts I've found on the Orange County Comptroller's web site for contracts through 4/30/2011.

30,018 total contracts
4,857,895 total points sold

Month #Cont Points
Oct08 181 29849
Nov08 1362 215967
Dec08 867 147293
Jan09 1212 199314
Feb09 1259 190775
Mar09 1385 237514
Apr09 1328 232902
May09 939 165100
Jun09 1177 204704
Jul09 1805 289768
Aug09 1363 227820
Sep09 1188 199099
Oct09 1231 210184
Nov09 863 127480
Dec09 542 85459
Jan10 646 107887
Feb10 469 75148
Mar10 651 109680
Apr10 703 116301
May10 701 115602
Jun10 769 126195
Jul10 778 124071
Aug10 1035 167356
Sep10 750 118854
Oct10 888 139920
Nov10 1014 150167
Dec10 1454 205608
Jan11 974 145121
Feb11 642 98835
Mar11 1048 160787
Apr11 793 133035

For reference of price changes and how they impact sales. Keep in mind contracts take 2+ weeks to show up on the OCC.
BLT went from $112 to $120/pt on November 1, 2009.
BLT went from $120 to $130/pt in early December, 2010.

I will be interested in seeing wdrl's numbers for both AKV and SSR/THV. April seemed like a very good month for sales at least one of these properties.

Congratulations to DVD and the guides on selling over 30,000 contracts at BLT. Assuming sales continue near the current pace, there should be another declaration (likely the final one) in May.

wdrl

05-05-2011, 07:55 AM

Direct sales at BLT slipped a bit in April 2011 compared to the previous month. There were 135,375 points sold for BLT, about 27,000 points less than the previous month. Even with this drop, BLT outsold SSR by more than a two-to-one margin and AKV by about a four-to-one margin.

Based on the new master contracts that were filed in April, it appears that DVD has shifted the default Use Year to December. If new buyers do not request a specific UY, DVD will assign them the December UY.

Sales at BLT may dip some more in the coming months as its base price is raised from $130 to $140 a point. However, I estimate that BLT should be sold out by the end of 2011. As of April 30, 2011, 84.86% of BLT has been sold to the general public. Since the Master Declaration prohibits DVD from selling more than 98% of BLT, there are less than 780,000 points left to sell at this resort. Dizfan points out that some UYs may become scarce as early as late this Summer.

DVD has declared 96.04% of BLT for the DVC inventory. It will be interesting to see when DVD makes the final declaration of Units at BLT.

http://i124.photobucket.com/albums/p30/wdrl/Spreadsheets/0001z4.jpg

wdrl

05-19-2011, 11:58 AM

I recently went the OCC database and compiled data on the number of BLT deeds and points reacquired by DVD through foreclosures, ROFRs, and other buy backs. Through April 2011, DVD has reacquired less than 27,000 points at BLT, which is about one-half of one percent of the total points sold. There is an article on the DVCNews that has more detailed information: http://www.dvcnews.com/index.php/resorts/bay-lake-tower/news/1580-blt-points-taken-back-by-disney.

Starting next month, I plan on updating the sales data on BLT so that it includes the points reacquired by DVD.

By the way, during the recent webcast hosted by Samantha Brown, it was mentioned that BLT should sell out by late this summer.

spiceycat

05-19-2011, 07:42 PM

so you do believe that BLT will sell out this year? Thanks

oh well can always get some more on the resale market.

dizfan

05-23-2011, 05:27 PM

It appears the OCC has reposted three of the older BLT declarations.

Did DVD change the past declarations?

dizfan

06-06-2011, 09:32 AM

As wdrl points out, our numbers don't match exactly. It's a very manual and time consuming task. However, our numbers provide a good idea of the overall sales.

Sales numbers for contracts I've found on the Orange County Comptroller's web site for contracts through 5/31/2011.

30,640 total contracts
4,963,330 total points sold

Month #Cont Points
Oct08 181 29849
Nov08 1362 215967
Dec08 867 147293
Jan09 1212 199314
Feb09 1259 190775
Mar09 1385 237514
Apr09 1328 232902
May09 939 165100
Jun09 1177 204704
Jul09 1805 289768
Aug09 1363 227820
Sep09 1188 199099
Oct09 1231 210184
Nov09 863 127480
Dec09 542 85459
Jan10 646 107887
Feb10 469 75148
Mar10 651 109680
Apr10 703 116301
May10 701 115602
Jun10 769 126195
Jul10 778 124071
Aug10 1035 167356
Sep10 750 118854
Oct10 888 139920
Nov10 1014 150167
Dec10 1454 205608
Jan11 974 145121
Feb11 642 98835
Mar11 1048 160787
Apr11 793 133035
May11 622 105435

For reference of price changes and how they impact sales. Keep in mind contracts take 2+ weeks to show up on the OCC.
BLT went from $112 to $120/pt on November 1, 2009.
BLT went from $120 to $130/pt in early December, 2010.

May 2011 saw a slowdown in BLT sales. With SSR priced at $99/pt, there were a significant number of sales there. At this point, the May webcast deeds are still not showing up on the OCC, so we don't know what impact they will have on sales.

dizfan

06-09-2011, 04:00 PM

Today on the Orange County Comptroller web site, units 90-92 were declared.

90A is a GV
90B is a GV
90C is a 2BR
91A consists of 2 2BR units
92A is a 2BR
92B is a 2BR

I believe this means all units (except the sales units 1) are now declared.

DenLo

06-10-2011, 09:05 AM

Kind of exciting having our first home resort sell out. Thanks for the information dizfan

dizfan

06-10-2011, 11:19 AM

Kind of exciting having our first home resort sell out.

I hope your back is feeling better today.

It feels kind of strange realizing that BLT will sell out shortly. The declaration doesn't even have 200,000 point, so it's less than 2 months of sales (assuming similar pace keeps up until sold out).

It seems like TSMIII, wdrl and I have all been tracking various information about BLT for a long time. Then, I look at Doc's information on sales for past resorts and realize it's not that long in terms of past resorts and how long they took to sell out.

It will be interesting to see if webcast sales are strong enough for the "sold out" posts to start before BLT's 3rd anniversary.

dizfan

07-06-2011, 12:46 PM

As wdrl points out, our numbers don't match exactly. It's a very manual and time consuming task. However, our numbers provide a good idea of the overall sales.

Sales numbers for contracts I've found on the Orange County Comptroller's web site for contracts through 6/30/2011.

31,570 total contracts
5,108,976 total points sold

Month #Cont Points
Oct08 181 29849
Nov08 1362 215967
Dec08 867 147293
Jan09 1212 199314
Feb09 1259 190775
Mar09 1385 237514
Apr09 1328 232902
May09 939 165100
Jun09 1177 204704
Jul09 1805 289768
Aug09 1363 227820
Sep09 1188 199099
Oct09 1231 210184
Nov09 863 127480
Dec09 542 85459
Jan10 646 107887
Feb10 469 75148
Mar10 651 109680
Apr10 703 116301
May10 701 115602
Jun10 769 126195
Jul10 778 124071
Aug10 1035 167356
Sep10 750 118854
Oct10 888 139920
Nov10 1014 150167
Dec10 1454 205608
Jan11 974 145121
Feb11 642 98835
Mar11 1048 160787
Apr11 793 133035
May11 622 105435
Jun11 930 145646

For reference of price changes and how they impact sales. Keep in mind contracts take 2+ weeks to show up on the OCC.
BLT went from $112 to $120/pt on November 1, 2009.
BLT went from $120 to $130/pt in early December, 2010.
BLT went from $130/pt to $140/pt in June, 2011.

The increase is BLT sales showing up on the OCC web site is very likely from the May/June web casts. These contracts are still working their way through and are likely to show up in the July contracts as well. However, BLT sales should stay slowing in July/August as the resort is nearing the "sold out" phase.

wdrl

07-06-2011, 10:41 PM

On June 8, 2011, Disney Vacation Development made what should be the penultimate declaration of Units at BLT. DVD has now declared 98.97% of BLT -- all but three two-bedroom villas in two Units -- for the DVC inventory.

As dizfan pointed out, June 2011 was a good month for sales at BLT, probably due to the positive response to the web telecast hosted in May by Samantha Brown. Deeds recorded and filed with the Orange County Comptroller in June show that DVD sold 146,501 points and that it reacquired 3,395 points. The reacquired points are points that DVD took back through foreclosures, exercising its Right of First Refusal on resale transactions, and other buybacks. Through June 2011, DVD has sold 5,081,206 BLT points, which represents 88.62% of its total points. This figure reflects 36,727 points that have been reacquired by DVD to date.

Since DVD cannot sell more than 98% of BLT's points, there are about 538,000 points left for it to sell at BLT. Even if sales slow in future months as DVD lowers or removes incentives, BLT will probably sell out by the end of the year. In addition, it is possible that some Use Years may begin experiencing point shortages in the next few months.

For most of June, it appeared that DVD was using December as the default Use Year. Four additional Units were assigned to the December UY during the month, with a fifth Unit assigned to the August UY. However, toward the end of the month, more new master contracts were being sold with a February UY.

http://i124.photobucket.com/albums/p30/wdrl/Spreadsheets/00019Y.jpg

wdrl

08-08-2011, 04:44 PM

Sales at BLT slowed during the month of July 2011. Deeds recorded by DVD with the Orange County Comptroller in the month show 88,855 points were sold in July. As dizfan's data shows, this is the third lowest monthly point total since BLT sales stated in October 2008.

As of July 31, 2011, 90.06% of BLT's total points have been sold. Since DVD cannot sell more than 98% of a DVC resort to the public, the actual percentage that has been sold is 91.9%. This percentage reflects 38,367 points that DVD has reacquired through foreclosure proceedings, exercising its Right of First Refusal on deeds sold on the resale market, and other buybacks. In July, 1,640 BLT points were reacquired by DVD.

In July, DVD assigned two more Units to the February Use Year. As the chart below shows, the February UY is the most common UY at BLT by a very large percentage.

Now that BLT's base price has increased to $150 a point, its likely that sales at BLT may slow even more. Nevertheless, its quite likely that points for some Use Years will become scarce in the next few months.

http://i124.photobucket.com/albums/p30/wdrl/Spreadsheets/0001A5.jpg

amypetecar

08-10-2011, 09:55 PM

So, according the diagram at the beginning of the thread, does that mean that when I stay in a MKV studio in January, there is zero chance of getting higher than the 10th floor?

Disneycouple99

08-10-2011, 10:13 PM

So, according the diagram at the beginning of the thread, does that mean that when I stay in a MKV studio in January, there is zero chance of getting higher than the 10th floor?

You can get a MK view on any of the floors. The first post has not been updated since Fall 2009.

amypetecar

08-10-2011, 10:19 PM

You can get a MK view on any of the floors. The first post has not been updated since Fall 2009.

Well... i suppose that was a fairly important detail that I neglected to notice.:lmao:

Great to know! thanks!!!!

dizfan

08-11-2011, 05:03 PM

As wdrl points out, our numbers don't match exactly. It's a very manual and time consuming task. However, our numbers provide a good idea of the overall sales.

Sales numbers for contracts I've found on the Orange County Comptroller's web site for contracts through 7/31/2011.

32,146 total contracts
5,197,100 total points sold

Month #Cont Points
Oct08 181 29849
Nov08 1362 215967
Dec08 867 147293
Jan09 1212 199314
Feb09 1259 190775
Mar09 1385 237514
Apr09 1328 232902
May09 939 165100
Jun09 1177 204704
Jul09 1805 289768
Aug09 1363 227820
Sep09 1188 199099
Oct09 1231 210184
Nov09 863 127480
Dec09 542 85459
Jan10 646 107887
Feb10 469 75148
Mar10 651 109680
Apr10 703 116301
May10 701 115602
Jun10 769 126195
Jul10 778 124071
Aug10 1035 167356
Sep10 750 118854
Oct10 888 139920
Nov10 1014 150167
Dec10 1454 205608
Jan11 974 145121
Feb11 642 98835
Mar11 1048 160787
Apr11 793 133035
May11 622 105435
Jun11 930 145646
Jul11 576 88124

For reference of price changes and how they impact sales. Keep in mind contracts take 2+ weeks to show up on the OCC.
BLT went from $112 to $120/pt on November 1, 2009.
BLT went from $120 to $130/pt in early December, 2010.
BLT went from $130/pt to $140/pt in June, 2011.
BLT just went from $140/pt to $150/pt in in August, 2011.
It appears the end of the May/June web cast sales were only a small portion of July sales. Many of the purchases reflect the $140/pt price. BLT sales are slowing as Disney uses the higher price for BLT to showcase the price savings when buying SSR and AKV.

dizfan

08-11-2011, 05:14 PM

So, according the diagram at the beginning of the thread, does that mean that when I stay in a MKV studio in January, there is zero chance of getting higher than the 10th floor?

You may find work2play's thread very useful. It shows the location of the rooms in the various categories. There are also several pictures from the various rooms.

http://www.disboards.com/showthread.php?t=2257082

wdrl

08-18-2011, 06:03 PM

On June 30, 2011, DVD made the 17th and final declaration of Units at Bay Lake Tower. The final three Units declared were the three two-bedroom villas located on the 1st floor that were used by DVD as a sales center and model villas. The Condo Related document showing the Declaration was recorded and appeared today (8/18/2011) on the Orange County Comptroller's website.

This means that all 267 two-bedroom villas and 14 Grand Villas at BLT are available for DVC members to book using points.

In addition to declaring the final three villas, DVD also declared two commercial Units for the DVC membership. One commercial Unit includes the Cove Bar, which is the bar located next to the BLT pool on the ground level. The other commercial phase contains the Top of the World Lounge (TOWL) on BLT's 16th floor.

By declaring these commercial phases for the DVC inventory, DVD is formally submitting them as part of the BLT leasehold condominium that belongs to the DVC membership. The space being occupied by Cove Bar and the Top of the World Lounge are now considered part of the common areas belonging to all BLT owners.

It will be interesting to see if this means that BLT owners will always have access to the Top of the World Lounge.

http://i124.photobucket.com/albums/p30/wdrl/Spreadsheets/0001H3.jpg

Greysword

08-18-2011, 06:19 PM

wdrl

08-18-2011, 06:40 PM

SWEET! We are all in now, and it feels pretty good! :woohoo:

Thanks WDRL & DIZFAN for tracking this. I appreciate your efforts!

Now as for the TotWL, by declaring it into the condo ownership group, does this mean it is probable WDW no longer has the option to close it and use it for exclusive parties only as previously feared)? Since our dues pay for it's upkeep, it shouldn't matter if it the restaurant makes a profit or not.

As for allowing BLT owners to visit anytime, how would they be able to tell we own at BLT? Our membership card does not have our resorts on it. :confused3

Thanks, Greysword. Its been fun tracking BLT's progress. I hope the information is of use to the DVC members.

As for the TOWL: I'm not sure of the significance of DVD declaring the TOWL's space for the leasehold condominium. Keep in mind DVD just declared the space -- not the food and beverage operation. At the least, I think it means that Disney has to pay rent to the BLT condominium if it operates a bar or food service in that space. I'm almost absolutely positive we, as BLT owners, will not share in any profits realized by the bar or food service. But I see that as a good thing because it also means we are protected against losses as well.

Even though the BLT owners may 'own' the space occupied by the TOWL, there is no guarantee that Disney will continue to operate the TOWL. Disney could close it down tomorrow and convert it into a quiet reading lounge.

As a BLT owner, I've enjoyed going up to the TOWL to check out the views, get a drink and a BLT (yes, they actually have a BLT flatbread on the menu), and watch the fireworks. But if I was running Disney, I'd think about making that space available to the Disney brides for ceremonies and wedding receptions. I think Disney charges $3,600 for the Wedding Pavilion at the Grand Floridian. Surely it could charge even more for catering an affair on the 16th floor of the BLT.

arthur06

08-18-2011, 06:59 PM

Thanks, Greysword. Its been fun tracking BLT's progress. I hope the information is of use to the DVC members.

As for the TOWL: I'm not sure of the significance of DVD declaring the TOWL's space for the leasehold condominium. Keep in mind DVD just declared the space -- not the food and beverage operation. At the least, I think it means that Disney has to pay rent to the BLT condominium if it operates a bar or food service in that space. I'm almost absolutely positive we, as BLT owners, will not share in any profits realized by the bar or food service. But I see that as a good thing because it also means we are protected against losses as well.

Even though the BLT owners may 'own' the space occupied by the TOWL, there is no guarantee that Disney will continue to operate the TOWL. Disney could close it down tomorrow and convert it into a quiet reading lounge.

As a BLT owner, I've enjoyed going up to the TOWL to check out the views, get a drink and a BLT (yes, they actually have a BLT flatbread on the menu), and watch the fireworks. But if I was running Disney, I'd think about making that space available to the Disney brides for ceremonies and wedding receptions. I think Disney charges $3,600 for the Wedding Pavilion at the Grand Floridian. Surely it could charge even more for catering an affair on the 16th floor of the BLT.

Thanks for all your hard work on tracking this... now take a few months/years off and get back to it with Grand Floridian... :rotfl2:

work2play

08-18-2011, 08:57 PM

WDRL: Fabulous work! Your work definitely inspired me to create the views thread! Thanks for your dedication!:worship::worship::worship:

wdrl

09-06-2011, 03:58 PM

For the first time since the Fall of 2008, BLT is no longer the sales leader among DVC resorts. In August 2011, BLT ranked third in Vacation Points sold with 40,872 points, trailing both SSR (101,003 points) and AKV (84,864 points).

Given the increase in BLT's base price to $150 a point, this drop in sales was not unexpected. SSR's base price is only $99 a point, while AKV's price is as low as $100 a point with special incentives.

BLT is fully declared for the DVC membership. As of August 31, 2011, 90.68% of BLT's 5.7 million points have been sold to the public. This percentage reflects 43,547 points previously sold to the public that were reacquired by DVD through foreclosure proceedings, exercising its Right of First Refusal on resale transactions, and other buybacks.

The February Use Year is the most common UY at BLT, accounting for well over a third of BLT's total points. October is the least common UY at BLT; it is about one-eighth the size of the February UY.

http://i124.photobucket.com/albums/p30/wdrl/Spreadsheets/0001QJ.jpg

dizfan

09-06-2011, 11:16 PM

As wdrl points out, our numbers don't match exactly. It's a very manual and time consuming task. However, our numbers provide a good idea of the overall sales.

Sales numbers for contracts I've found on the Orange County Comptroller's web site for contracts through 8/31/2011.

32,417 total contracts
5,237,922 total points sold

Month #Cont Points
Oct08 181 29849
Nov08 1362 215967
Dec08 867 147293
Jan09 1212 199314
Feb09 1259 190775
Mar09 1385 237514
Apr09 1328 232902
May09 939 165100
Jun09 1177 204704
Jul09 1805 289768
Aug09 1363 227820
Sep09 1188 199099
Oct09 1231 210184
Nov09 863 127480
Dec09 542 85459
Jan10 646 107887
Feb10 469 75148
Mar10 651 109680
Apr10 703 116301
May10 701 115602
Jun10 769 126195
Jul10 777 123971
Aug10 1036 167516
Sep10 750 118854
Oct10 888 139920
Nov10 1014 150167
Dec10 1454 205608
Jan11 974 145121
Feb11 642 98835
Mar11 1048 160787
Apr11 793 133035
May11 622 105435
Jun11 930 145646
Jul11 576 88124
Aug11 271 40762

For reference of price changes and how they impact sales. Keep in mind contracts take 2+ weeks to show up on the OCC.
BLT went from $112 to $120/pt on November 1, 2009.
BLT went from $120 to $130/pt in early December, 2010.
BLT went from $130/pt to $140/pt in June, 2011.
BLT just went from $140/pt to $150/pt in August, 2011.

wdrl

10-06-2011, 10:58 AM

With only 23,861 points sold in September 2011, BLT recorded its lowest monthly point total since sales began in the Fall of 2008. For the second consecutive month, BLT ranked third in Vacation Points sold, trailing both SSR (103,982 points) and AKV (61,129 points).

Apparently, the increase in BLT's base price to $150 a point has put a significant damper on its sales. By comparison, SSR's base price is only $99 a point, while AKV's base price is $120, but can be as low as $100 a point with special incentives. Another factor that may be dampening BLT sales is that DVD is not emphasizing BLT during its sales presentations. Anecdoctal information from some disboard members indicate that AKV was featured during the DCL member cruise.

BLT is fully declared for the DVC membership. As of September 30, 2011, 91.02% of BLT's 5.7 million points have been sold to the public. This percentage reflects 47,767 points previously sold to the public that were reacquired by DVD through foreclosure proceedings, exercising its Right of First Refusal on resale transactions, and other buybacks.

DVD can only sell 98% of a DVC resort's points to the general public. Based on points sold and reacquired, there are only about 400,000 points left that DVD can sell.

The February Use Year is the most common UY at BLT, accounting for well over a third of BLT's total points. October is the least common UY at BLT; it is about one-eighth the size of the February UY.

http://i124.photobucket.com/albums/p30/wdrl/Spreadsheets/0001SO.jpg

DenLo

10-06-2011, 11:26 AM

I think it's becoming more obvious that DVD does not feel the need to sell BLT's remaining points. They still have plenty of cash guests that are willing shell out the big bucks each night for a reservation. So what's DVD's incentive to sell out BLT? Either someone will pay $150 per point or they'll reserve a 2BR villa for $7400 for a week. Sure that's only $377,400 for a year (51 weeks) for one 2BR. But it paying the bills.

I just noticed that there are approximately 4 million points left to be sold based on the maximum to DVC. That's a nice number for DVD to keep hold of.

dizfan

10-08-2011, 10:30 PM

As wdrl points out, our numbers don't match exactly. It's a very manual and time consuming task. However, our numbers provide a good idea of the overall sales.

Sales numbers for contracts I've found on the Orange County Comptroller's web site for contracts through 9/30/2011.

32,576 total contracts
5,261,733 total points sold

Month #Cont Points
Oct08 181 29849
Nov08 1362 215967
Dec08 867 147293
Jan09 1212 199314
Feb09 1259 190775
Mar09 1385 237514
Apr09 1328 232902
May09 939 165100
Jun09 1177 204704
Jul09 1805 289768
Aug09 1363 227820
Sep09 1188 199099
Oct09 1231 210184
Nov09 863 127480
Dec09 542 85459
Jan10 646 107887
Feb10 469 75148
Mar10 651 109680
Apr10 703 116301
May10 701 115602
Jun10 769 126195
Jul10 777 123971
Aug10 1036 167516
Sep10 750 118854
Oct10 888 139920
Nov10 1014 150167
Dec10 1454 205608
Jan11 974 145121
Feb11 642 98835
Mar11 1048 160787
Apr11 793 133035
May11 622 105435
Jun11 930 145646
Jul11 576 88124
Aug11 271 40762
Sep11 159 23811

For reference of price changes and how they impact sales. Keep in mind contracts take 2+ weeks to show up on the OCC.
BLT went from $112 to $120/pt on November 1, 2009.
BLT went from $120 to $130/pt in early December, 2010.
BLT went from $130/pt to $140/pt in June, 2011.
BLT just went from $140/pt to $150/pt in August, 2011.

During our recent stay (BLT, SSR, BWV) we noticed a card on the table where DVC is advertising "As of August 1st, 2011 Bay Lake Tower at Disney's Contemporary Resort is 93% sold out". However, when we talked with various DVC CMs and toured the DVC Preview Center at SSR they did not mention BLT. Indicating that DenLo is likely correct that they are happy to sell the remaining points for $150/pt and use any unsold points for cash reservations.

dizfan

11-04-2011, 12:11 PM

As wdrl points out, our numbers don't match exactly. It's a very manual and time consuming task. However, our numbers provide a good idea of the overall sales.

Sales numbers for contracts I've found on the Orange County Comptroller's web site for contracts through 10/31/2011.

32,705 total contracts
5,280,595 total points sold

Month #Cont Points
Oct08 181 29849
Nov08 1362 215967
Dec08 867 147293
Jan09 1212 199314
Feb09 1259 190775
Mar09 1385 237514
Apr09 1328 232902
May09 939 165100
Jun09 1177 204704
Jul09 1805 289768
Aug09 1363 227820
Sep09 1188 199099
Oct09 1231 210184
Nov09 863 127480
Dec09 542 85459
Jan10 646 107887
Feb10 469 75148
Mar10 651 109680
Apr10 703 116301
May10 701 115602
Jun10 769 126195
Jul10 777 123971
Aug10 1036 167516
Sep10 750 118854
Oct10 888 139920
Nov10 1014 150167
Dec10 1454 205608
Jan11 974 145121
Feb11 642 98835
Mar11 1048 160787
Apr11 793 133035
May11 622 105435
Jun11 930 145646
Jul11 576 88124
Aug11 271 40762
Sep11 159 23811
Oct11 129 18862

For reference of price changes and how they impact sales. Keep in mind contracts take 2+ weeks to show up on the OCC.
BLT went from $112 to $120/pt on November 1, 2009.
BLT went from $120 to $130/pt in early December, 2010.
BLT went from $130/pt to $140/pt in June, 2011.
BLT just went from $140/pt to $150/pt in August, 2011.

I suspect DenLo is correct that DVC is happy to sell the remaining points for $150/pt and use any unsold points for cash reservations.
The higher price also make SSR and AKV prices look much more attractive to potential buyers.

wdrl

11-10-2011, 04:29 PM

It is quite obvious that BLT is no longer the focal point of DVD's marketing efforts. With only 18,862 points sold, BLT recorded its lowest monthly sales amount since sales began in September 2008. To understand how low sales have dipped at BLT, one must remember that the 18,862 points sold in October 2011 is about 122,000 points less than what was sold at BLT in October 2010. BLT ranked third in sales behind SSR (91,655 points) and AKV (45,786 points).

Despite the drop in sales, DVD has sold about 93.15% of the points it is authorized to sell at BLT. This reflects 51,239 points that DVD has reacquired through foreclosure proceedings, exercising its Right of First Refusal, and other buyback reasons.

DVD can only sell 98% of a DVC resort's points to the general public. Based on points sold and reacquired, there are only about 384,657 points left that DVD can sell.

The February Use Year is the most common UY at BLT, accounting for well over a third of BLT's total points. October is the least common UY at BLT; it is about one-eighth the size of the February UY.

http://i124.photobucket.com/albums/p30/wdrl/Spreadsheets/BLTContracts.jpg