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Today I was talking to someone at work whose parents own DVC with OKW as their home resort. This person's DS just graduated from HS last week and as part of his graduation present his grandparents (the DVC members) reserved a 2 br at OKW so that he and 10 of his friends could spend a week in WDW. Yes you read that right, there are 11 teenagers ranging in age from 17 - 19 staying in a 2 BR at OKW! Orginally they were going to reserve a 2 BR at BWV but it was fully booked, the 2 BR at OKW is less points and also MS told them the OKW units are larger so they would have no problem fitting 11 people as long as they provided their own air mattresses, sleeping bags, etc!!!!! I was shocked and kept saying this could not be but this man told me yes it was indeed so and the teens have been there since Sunday and are having a great time. They have several cars between all of them so they are not using Disney transportation and this way they do not have to all go to the parks, DTD, etc at the same time. Having teens myself and knowing the noise volume they can have, I would hate to be in a villa near them! :eek:
OMG, I hope there gone before we arrive. I'm no prude but 11 boys???? I hope no one had any problems.
PamOKW
06-20-2002, 05:17 PM
This is exactly the reason why I would like to see DVC enforce the occupancy limits they promised owners when they bought.
Giving this group the benefit of the doubt, with the exception of exceeding the limit, they may be well-behaved. I saw one post here where teen-agers who were unruly were asked to leave.
SSSSSSSSSSSh! Please, no one tell my DD!LOL!!
Cinderella
06-20-2002, 05:26 PM
And to think of the arguments that used to go on on this board about five in a one bed. I would hate to be in a villa next to them.
CaptainMidnight
06-20-2002, 05:41 PM
If a family is traveling with two adults and 3 children, and one child wants to sleep in a sleeping bag or on an air mattress, they have no problem with this.
This quote from another thread seems entirely reasonable to me. My guess is that this is the norm. The leap of abstraction would be to try to claim the 11 teanagers in the OKW room was the norm. I understand why 11 teanagers would be considered by some as over the limit. Remember, the plural of one story is not data. I'm personally fine with a family traveling with two adults and 3 children, and one child sleeping in a sleeping bag or on an air mattress, I have no problem with this either, and don't feel MS should.
DaisyDebbie
06-20-2002, 06:51 PM
I'm glad I'm not next door to them, even if they are well behaved. I hope they leave the room in good shape :rolleyes:
pluto109
06-20-2002, 06:53 PM
quick someone call the police!!!!!!!:) :D :cool: that yam guy will call the (11 in a twobedroom police);) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) please someone call president bush,,,stop the war and get to ooollld key west!!!
gmboy95
06-20-2002, 07:07 PM
Animal house goes to OKW....I can just see the beer truck backing up to the building now....and wait till the cart in the giant Bose speakers....maybe you will get real lucky and they will be big rap music fans.
Well that was thoughtful of his grandparents to book them at OKW,this way they can park right in front of their unit, and they won't have to carry all that beer so far:jester: I am sure that they are just blending in the the "laid back" atmosphere of the resort;)
RLevy29
06-20-2002, 08:39 PM
I wonder if they can be any worse than the family we had next to us at HH. They were in the studio that connected to our room and were very LOUD! They had many people in their studio talking and throwing things over the balcony into the water. Their children were riding a skateboard on the balcony. After they checked out, the housekeeper was trying to get a table out of the room that they had moved from a 1 bedroom. It is not only teenagers that can be obnoxious.:mad:
Johnnie Fedora
06-20-2002, 08:40 PM
They are not that far over the limit. After all, 8 persons X 25% bigger unit = room for 10.
I'm envisioning the party scene from one of my favorite movies--- Sixteen Candles.:eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:
AnnK,
I was thinking the same thing about them blending right in with the quiet, laid back atmosphere at OKW, LOL! But this man (the boys father) is one of the big wigs where I work, so I was not going to say a negative word regarding his son and the fact that this is supposed to be totally against the DVC rules, actually I couldn't say a word I was too shocked that MS would have knowingly let them have 11 teens in a 2 BR unit.
The group is made up of both teen boys and girls and they have been there almost a week, so I guess they are not causing too much trouble, but from hearing various stories this man tells about his son and his friends, I would be willing to bet they are partying hardy.
Quick, get me the name on the reservation and dates. Seriously, I recall somone posting on this board a year or so ago that their son and friends were asked to leave. The assertion was that they had done nothing wrong but I sincerely doubt that was totally the case. That could happen to this group as well if they don't behave themselves.
ncligs
06-20-2002, 08:47 PM
AnnK,
I am sure this happens at all the DVC resorts at one time or another.
P.S. I guess whenever you can take a "shot " at OKW it is ok.
PamOKW
06-20-2002, 09:01 PM
I agree that this isn't just something for OKW members to think about. These type of things happen at all the DVC resorts. I would think it would be more intrusive when it happens at an "indoor" resort like BCV or VWL. My only hope is that DVC will step in if things get out of control -- teenagers or adults.
PamOKW,
I agree, I was/am concerned and OKW is not my home resort. I do not think it would be more intrusive in a "indoor resort" though, if you have loud people over you, under you or next door the noise will still be intrusive, an outside door will not help.
ngligs,
P.S. I guess whenever you can take a "shot " at OKW it is ok.
Boy, if that is not the pot calling the kettle black, I do not know what is!!!!! :rolleyes:
PhillyKid83
06-20-2002, 09:33 PM
hello,
i am a teenager and i went to disney last year for senior week..we did not have any problems at all... i belong to the DVC with my parents...i am 19 years old...first off not all teenagers are bad..i for one and a very responsible teen..as for everyone who is complaning, you were a teenager too at one time, remember those days?? not all teens are wild...i dont think its a big threat...i can gurantee you there are adults who stay at OKW who are more of a teen than a 18 year old...remember everyone is there for the disney experience...cant we all just get along???
sounds like fun grandparents!!! Bet they are having a blast:cool:
PamOKW,
In all seriousness. I am sure that it happens at all the DVC resorts. I have confidence that DVC can handle them. I am not concerned about it being "indoor". My own son went on one of these ( in the Hamptons) recently and they were fine. They just wanted to have fun, they are not out to ruin anyones trip or trash the rooms.:D
Uncleromulus
06-21-2002, 06:05 AM
Hard to imagine 11 teens keeping quiet no matter where they are---
sumessefui
06-21-2002, 06:31 AM
nclings, I concur.
burnsoc
06-21-2002, 06:55 AM
I was at the parks during senior week this year and it was great, except for the teenagers. I guess I'm getting older, because I couldn't stand the manners on these kids. The problem is that you don't notice the good kids because they fit in with everybody else. Those annoying kids stick out like sore thumbs. Everything from the foul language to the mocking of CM's speech in the WS at Epcot was getting me angry. They seem to feel bravest when they're in a large pack. I think they were more than a little surprised when I asked them to watch their language, and some of them of them actually looked embarrassed.;)
PamOKW
06-21-2002, 07:41 AM
This may be belaboring the point, but everyone points out how OKW is not a hotel-like atmosphere. I agree. It is more like a condo. Loud noise and overcrowded units will be a problem for the immediate neighbors and more than two cars per unit eats up the parking. However, larger groups would be less noticeable to most people. Even the entrance doors to the units and the balconies are angled so that you don't generally see who is coming and going. You may "hear" things but you don't necessarily see the people.
If you have a large group at the other WDW DVC units, people going up and down the halls, banging doors shut, crowding the elevators, partying on the balcony, etc., etc. has a more immediate impact on far more rooms. People hanging off the balconies at BWV overlooking the pool could even effect those who are using the pools.
KNWVIKING
06-21-2002, 08:14 AM
If the kids in that room were bad it wouldn't make a difference if there were 6,8 or 11 of them. All it takes to ruin someone else's vacation is one rude,loud,obnoxius neighbor.
As for stereotyping(sp) all kids,that is wrong but we overheard another father speaking at my son's college during orientation that really summed up how we feel. He stated something to the effect that in the past the rude,spoiled,brat child stood out like a sore thumb. Now days it's the polite child that stands out in the crowd. I've done a lot of dumb things in my life but one of them wasn't raising bad kids,(actually I think DW gets most of the credit). I always appriciated the compliments people gave us about how well behaved our kids were but never really gave it much thought until years later when I heard the other fathers statement. Others noticed their behavior because they were the exception,not the norm.
chris1gill
06-21-2002, 08:36 AM
Boy I agree with some of the other posters, not all teens are bad... I was actually a good teen, sure we had some fun, but we weren't really roudy in the bad sense of the word... So, I hope the kids are having fun, keeping it clean & not disturbing their neighbors *TOO* much... If they were THAT bad, they'd have already been asked to leave... As for 11 in a 2 bedroom, as long as they aren't destroying the room that's fine, if they do destroy the room, the grandparents will have to pay for the damage...
Oh, and I SINCERELY doubt these kids are spending any time at all in the room... Remember when you were that age? Weren't you like Park Commando's? And, they didn't even have Disney Quest back then... I bet these kids are busy doing other things than hanging around OKW.... I'll give them the benefit of the doubt & say they're good kids!
Doctor P
06-21-2002, 08:46 AM
This is exactly the sort of thing that the occupancy limits are designed to avoid. I would also be concerned about the possibility of a large number of vehicles with a party of this size and type (even with 3 to a vehicle, that would be four vehicles for a single 2BR unit). I hope the group is well behaved, that there are no problems, and that this is not a widespread kind of thing (IMHO, once is one time too many, but I don't want to refuel that debate!! ;) )
KNWVIKING
06-21-2002, 08:55 AM
DoctorP...
OT but just curious, do the 2br and/or GV come with more then one parking place ? Seems they should because of the likelyhood of more adults.
Richyams
06-21-2002, 09:00 AM
THere is no assigned parking. You can pretty much get as many parking permits as you wish. I have only had an issue with parking once, when I was in building 51.
robinb
06-21-2002, 09:11 AM
Originally posted by chris1gill
Oh, and I SINCERELY doubt these kids are spending any time at all in the room...
Unless they smuggle a keg onto the porch ;). I remember what I was like at that age. Not a pretty sight :rolleyes:.
PamOKW
06-21-2002, 09:23 AM
if they do destroy the room, the grandparents will have to pay for the damage
I'm beginning to think this is also swept under the rug just like the occupancy limits. I don't think the occupant of the room is charged. The exception might be if furniture were removed or the television stolen, washer kicked over, etc., etc. Major, major damage.
But, if blinds are broken, couch springs strained, carpets stained, food crusted on furniture, etc. I don't think any charges are levied to the individual. They are added into the housekeeping and maintenance bills that we all pay and delay people being able to get into the rooms.
I would also be curious what the liability to DVC would be if one of the kids were injured. More than once a student has fallen from a balcony (even at WDW) and been injured or killed. What are the responsibilities of DVC as a whole allowing minors to use rooms unsupervised? Even if some of them are over 19, if alcohol were involved would be at additional risk?
RweTHEREyet
06-21-2002, 11:22 AM
I gotta say that a lot of folks here have jumped to conclusions that these teens are going to be a rowdy raucous beer-drinking bunch. As far as we know, this could be a bunch of real nerdy types and no one will even know that they are there. Mind you, I said "could be".
I personally would not want the responsibility of knowing that a group this age was there unchaperoned and using my membership.
I am already known down there as the "cooler" lady because of the incident with our electric cooler, wouldn't want any other label to get attached to my name. The CM's down there do remember who people are, trust me.
miksicnarf
06-21-2002, 11:23 AM
Are there any age restrictions on minors staying at DVC resorts w/o an adult?
there just has to be an 18 year old to check in. Beer please, they are probably having jack and coke ;)
Allan
06-21-2002, 11:33 AM
Are there any age restrictions on minors staying at DVC resorts w/o an adult?
Last June I booked a room for 5 nights at VB and also one night at Allstar Sports as a graduation gift for my 17 year old son and 2 friends. Allstar Sports made me fax a letter with my signature assuming complete liability for the room being occupied by a minor but VB insisted it was no problem.
vacationman
06-21-2002, 01:01 PM
I gotta say that a lot of folks here have jumped to conclusions that these teens are going to be a rowdy raucous beer-drinking bunch. As far as we know, this could be a bunch of real nerdy types and no one will even know that they are there.
I hope that the above quote was not intended to describe the only two options for teens. Not drinking beer does not mean that "nerd" is the only other option.
There are many teens who are smart, cool, mannered and well behaved yet who do not drink. If these teens fit that description, then I wish them the best at OKW. If it turns into an Animal House, then I hope they get arrested, thrown out of OKW and the member's membership revoked.
robinb
06-21-2002, 01:06 PM
Nick and Ann, maybe you should send each other PMs or emails where you can discuss your failure to communicate in private.
PamOKW
06-21-2002, 01:26 PM
maybe you should send each other PMs or emails
Agreed. I know some people have said they really enjoy the "witty" remarks folks make about other resorts. I think they are confusing and usually end-up leading to similar discussions like are happening now on this thread. Maybe we can make a special "gotcha" thread for people to express themselves. ;):jester:
scootert
06-21-2002, 01:30 PM
I don't care if they are teenagers, young adults, middle agers or older agers.... 11 in a two bedroom unit anywhere is way too much. The occupancy limits are there for a reason, including basic safety. JMHO
Richyams
06-21-2002, 01:34 PM
There is a certain poster who "jokes" about the "tiny units" at BWV
Exactly who are we talking about here??????
The fact is I LOVE OKW, I love being able to carry all my groceries to my room, do all my laundry, clean my extra large unit and cook meals, it is truley a home away from home
I laughed out loud when I read that. That was great!!
Richyams
06-21-2002, 01:38 PM
But eleven in the room is ridiculous. I am very dismayed that MS would approve that. Remember my main argument that has borne itself out again and again. Five is only one away from six, Six, is no big deal, how about six and a kid under three? As long as six and one under three are OK in a one bedroom, eleven teens in a two bedroom is fine.
Remeber all who ridiculed my reasoning?
Guess its another case of me being right again.
RweTHEREyet
06-21-2002, 03:25 PM
Vacationman:
I was simply going from one extreme to the other. I happen to be the mother of a very well-behaved, never been in trouble, doesn't drink, doesn't smoke, doesn't do drugs 19-year old son that I am very, very proud of.
I was merely pointing out that these kids could be the opposite end of the spectrum than what had been previously portrayed. Also pointing out that some people very quickly jumped to assumptions, seems I was right.
Quote:
"Exactly who are we talking about here??????"
I don't think that you ever heard about him.................
;)
The fact is I LOVE OKW, I love being able to carry all my groceries to my room, do all my laundry, clean my extra large unit and cook meals, it is truley a home away from home
RY, I did not even bother to go back and see if this quote was from this thread, another thread or whatever.........
And to this poster I say "More power to you and I hope you enjoy your vacation to the fullest and it is non stop Disney magic from beginning to end", and I honestly mean this. But RY, I would not use this quote as one of your favorites from your bag of pro OKW/anti/BWV quotes to post over and over again. It definitely sounds like way more work than I want to do on vacation. It really does not paint OKW out to be a relaxing, stress free pampered vacation! I know that a stay at OKW is what you make of it and you certainly do not have to cook, clean, and do laundry while you stay there, but using quotes like this to promote your pro/OKW etc theme seems a little counter productive in my opinion. Just thought I would share. :D
disneyaddict
06-21-2002, 06:58 PM
I know I do not post here often. I usually just look for tips and give advise on these kinds of topics. I am now 23. I have been to WDW with my family many times and we are DVC members, OKW home resort. About 5 years ago when I graduated from HS me and 17 of my then "closest" friends went to disney for our senior trip on our own in the summer. Let me just tell you that we were no angels. We were known to have a party (usually we invited Jack;) ) now and then. Out of the 18 of us some people also went to the beach to party for the traditional senior week. HOWEVER, when we got to Disney it was completely different. There was so much to do there that we didnt even think of drinking. And we only had 4 rooms (at CBR), yes 2 over the limit. However we were hardly ever in the room. we left at 730, came home at 2 after seeing the shows and dancing at PI. I now have a younger brother that just graduated and is going to the beach because his friends couldnt afford disney. Now that I am older and more "mature" I wish that he WAS going to disney. There would be less of a chance in my opinion of him getting into trouble.
So what I am trying to say to everyone is don't assume that these kids are down there getting drunk. There are much cheaper places to go to do that. The MAY just be having good, Disney fun.
As far as over the limit. Rules are rules, I dont really have an argument againt that.
DVCajun
06-22-2002, 03:06 AM
I think "RY" was joking too.
I happen to be the mother of a very well-behaved, never been in trouble, doesn't drink, doesn't smoke, doesn't do drugs 19-year old son that I am very, very proud of.
RWeTHEREyet, boy are you naive! ;) Just kidding-- couldn't resist! (Can't wait to hear all about your recent trip at our meet next month!)
A coworker of my DH comes to mind. He told my DH that he had to have his son's SUV detailed to clean out the vomit. When DH gave him a hard time about his son partying in the SUV (bought and paid for by Dad, of course) he was genuinely surprised and responded that his *son* wasn't the one who vomited- one of his friends did that. His son was always the DD and always stayed out of trouble. To which my DH responded... well, nothing. He was speechless.
As far as the teenagers in question are concerned, it seems rather pointless to debate over what they "might" be like or "might" be doing. Really, the issue is the fact that there are 11 people in a 2 BR. That's the *fact* that we all know and don't need to debate. I'm amazed that they allowed this. But then again, one thing that we're assuming is that MS was told there would be 11 teenagers staying there alone. I somehow doubt that that was the case. If you wanted to book that ressie, what would you respond to the question of how many occupants there would be? And if a few more people just happened to show up, well, things happen.
Richyams
06-22-2002, 06:41 AM
As far as over the limit. Rules are rules, I dont really have an argument againt that.
Unfortunately, this is what gets this thread to the debate board.
Believe it or not, there are many members who believe the occupancy limits are silly and do not apply. They actually believe that you are being heartless and cruel to remind someone about the contracts they signed.
I am sure that many of them actually believe this situation is fine.
DebbieB
06-22-2002, 07:02 AM
As far as the teenagers in question are concerned, it seems rather pointless to debate over what they "might" be like or "might" be doing. Really, the issue is the fact that there are 11 people in a 2 BR. That's the *fact* that we all know and don't need to debate. I'm amazed that they allowed this. But then again, one thing that we're assuming is that MS was told there would be 11 teenagers staying there alone. I somehow doubt that that was the case.
That's what I've been thinking all along. I can't believe MS was told this and they said "no problem". If they did, I really have a problem with that. 11 adults (which they almost are) in a 2 bedroom is too much no matter what age. On my first pre-DVC trip to OKW, we had 4 adults in a 2 bedroom and another group of 4 friends in another 2 bedroom, we were comfortable. I can not imagine all 8 of us in one 2 bedroom, let alone 3 more!
pluto109
06-22-2002, 06:34 PM
I THINK EVERYONE SHOULD MIND THEIR OWN BIZ NESSSS:Pinkbounc :Pinkbounc :Pinkbounc :Pinkbounc :Pinkbounc :Pinkbounc :Pinkbounc :Pinkbounc :bounce: :bounce: :) :) :) :) :) :) what other people do in their own home is none of our biz ness:) :) :) :) :) :) :) :D :D :D :D :D :cool: :cool: :cool: :cool: :cool:
Richyams
06-22-2002, 06:50 PM
It is our business. We are owners. We all signed papers agreeing to abide by occupancy limits. We are right to be outraged, both at the member for even asking and MS if they were actually aware.
BenStone
06-22-2002, 07:05 PM
There is a certain poster who "jokes" about the "tiny units" at BWV I do. It's fact.But eleven in the room is ridiculous.
I do notice they chose OKW to attempt this. They surely wouldn't fit in the cubicles they call rooms at BWV.We all signed papers agreeing to abide by occupancy limits. We did. Perhaps a call to MS to see if this actually occured. If so, it's quite possible there may be an opening for legal proceedings for such a flagrant violation. How about DeeP providing a few details so we may do the footwork.
DeeP?
BenStone
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There is a certain poster who "jokes" about the "tiny units" at BWV
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I do. It's fact.
Nope, not you sorry........:D
I've put in an URGENT call to the DVC STORMTROOPERS......
http://www.hollywood-costumes.com/starwars/38794.jpg
They're on the case:p :p :p :p . Imagine, defiance of the occupancy rules by some n'er do well adolescents who probably ALSO smoke pot and drink ETOH and engage in premarital sex. :mad: :mad: :mad:
JUSTICE WILL BE SERVED!!!!! :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
How about DeeP providing a few details so we may do the footwork.
Ben,
Believe me this did happen. As I posted orginally they did want a villa at BWV but there were none available at such short notice (I guess they must have been talking to a different MS then you were when you booked your fictious vacation at BWV on Fri and were told it was open season for anytime at BWV!!!), so then the CM at MS told the DVC members that OKW would really be better for them anyway since the lr, dr, etc are bigger and they would have room for extra guests but they had to provide their own bedding. As I also posted I don't know if the grandparents said there would be 9, 10 or 11 kids in the 2 BR but they did definitely inform MS there would be more than 8.
If you believe this fine; if not that is also fine. It is the truth. If you think I would post this families name on the internet you are NUTS!
PamOKW
06-23-2002, 08:30 AM
If you think I would post this families name on the internet you are NUTS!
;) You mean you weren't planning to start looking for a new job tomorrow? ;)
Originally posted by DeeP
If you think I would post this families name on the internet you are NUTS! Oh, come on. How about address and phone number. Maybe we could all call them ourselves and check out the story. LOL. Seriously, it would be inappropriate to post their identity. Still, there is already enough info there to bug MS if one wanted. You have an idea of the travel time frame, unit size, home resort, destination resort, rough occupancy limit. If one were so inclined to formally complain, I suspect MS could figure it out from that if they truly wanted to. I doubt they would.
As for those that have posted that these teenagers may be different than most, that's true. Still, 9 to 11 teenagers away from home without supervision; it isn't much of a stretch to be worried. Worried about the neighbors, worried about the girls, worried about drinking, worried about loud till all hours of the night. I hope things work out ok.
BenStone
06-23-2002, 07:54 PM
It's worth a call. I'll report with the details as soon as they are available.
BenStone
Peterd
06-23-2002, 08:20 PM
I can never tell who's joking anymore.
"It's worth a call. I'll report with the details as soon as they are available."
"If one were so inclined to formally complain"
I hope you're kidding, but if you are really serious about checking up on this, then I guess the Okw is right for you. We used to have neighbors like that, Didn't know what was going on, but it must be bad, sounds like they could be having fun.
You are going to investigate and complain about something that doesn't affect you? Wow! how do some of you find the time? Measure the rooms again, and relax.
again if you were just kidding, ............never mind!
;)
No, Peter I am sure Ben is very serious. I just hope he calls the correct MS this time and not the one he got when he reserved those fake reservations at BWV 2 days ago and was told there was totally open season for anything at BWV. BTW, Ben I REALLY have a busy day tomorrow, could you please see if you can book a 1 BR at BWV either view will be fine for a 2 week period anytime between the last 2 weeks of Nov and the first 2 weeks of Dec. Since you are calling them anyway and there is so much availabilty. Thanks, you're a gem!!! :) :) :)
Not to worry, BEN;). I've got the DVC StormTroopers on the case. They have some super-secret pot-detecting dogs who will find those kids in no time :D :D :D :D ........
Peterd
06-23-2002, 08:53 PM
Ben, while your at it, if it's not toooooooooo much trouble. We have a GV at the BW for a bunch of days in Nov., we can't get Nov 10th, who would of thunk it? It's a Sunday, cheaper than the four weekend nights, is that the problem? Could you ask for our wide open resv? Is that the code you ask for? Wide open ressies?Okw is open, but it's for only one day, and it IS Okw, sorry just kidddddddddding.
wait hold on, smiley face, smiley face, smiley face.:D :D :D :D
That makes it ok, right cligs?
yeah, I know deleted! damn.
RLevy29
06-23-2002, 09:12 PM
I don't understand. Who is kidding and who is not kidding? Would people who are trying to get information understand?
The whole topic was about 11 people in a 2 bedroom when there should only be 8. This concerns ALL DVC resorts! Why is this discussion changing into another OKW vs. BWV (discussion.)? Now it is what resort is more available!
I don't mean to be a pain but I don't understand why discussions seem to get to this competitive point when there should be more cooperation between all members. No one should think that 11 people in a room is good when the limit is stated as 8 no matter what the DVC resort is.
WebmasterDoc
06-23-2002, 09:16 PM
We've strayed far from the topic again.
We have a long standing policy against allowing occupancy threads and this one probably should have been locked long ago.
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