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weHEARTmickey
06-14-2009, 12:29 AM
We are 2 adults, DD(9) & DS(6). We're on the DDP & would rather not pay OOP for preferred seating or anything. Where should we request to sit? I seem to remember hearing about some "blind spots" on one of the tiers?

:flower3: Any help you can offer would be greatly appreciated...we get to call in our ADR's on Thur!!!!! :banana:

disneynutz
06-14-2009, 01:16 AM
Hoop is a 2 credit show. With the DDP you can pick Cat 2 or 3 seating for all shows (if available) and cat 1 seating for the 9:30 show only. Cat 1 is the best, 2 & 3 are on the sides and up stairs.

Joshua_me
06-14-2009, 01:22 AM
Many of the upstairs seats are pretty bad.

Not only do you feel 'removed' from all the action down below, but many of the seats are directly behind support posts. You have to lean or get up altogether to see over the balcony. :sad2:

The show is SO much better from the cat 1 seats. Try to get them if you possibly can.

weHEARTmickey
06-14-2009, 01:40 AM
Hoop is a 2 credit show. With the DDP you can pick Cat 2 or 3 seating for all shows (if available) and cat 1 seating for the 9:30 show only. Cat 1 is the best, 2 & 3 are on the sides and up stairs.
We are planning on using 2 credits per person, but we definitely didn't want to pay cash for any meals (we'll be there 10 nights & will have SO much food, even on the basic DDP.) :confused3 I think a 9:30 "all you can eat" will be way too late for us! (Although, I may give that some thought since we'll be on "Texas time.") Thanks for all the info...you've given me quite a bit to think about! :goodvibes

Many of the upstairs seats are pretty bad.
Not only do you feel 'removed' from all the action down below, but many of the seats are directly behind support posts. You have to lean or get up altogether to see over the balcony. :sad2:

The show is SO much better from the cat 1 seats. Try to get them if you possibly can.
Is it a 1st come-1st served for the Cat 2 & 3 seats? Or do the CM's give you a specific table at ADR time? We're planning on the 7:15 show. I hate that the 2 & 3 seats are bad, b/c that's what we'll be stuck with!!!! I think I'm going to try to go on my b-day....maybe the hostess (or whomever) will be extra nice to us! :rolleyes1 Thanks for the input! ;)

disneynutz
06-14-2009, 01:47 AM
You get a confirmed table assignment based upon when you made your reservation. Earlier means a better seat.

weHEARTmickey
06-14-2009, 01:53 AM
You get a confirmed table assignment based upon when you made your reservation. Earlier means a better seat.

Okay, thanks! I'll be on one phone & DH will be on another...surely one of us can get a good seat! :laughing: Does the WDW site have a seating chart--or have you ever seen one?

Anna114
06-14-2009, 01:57 AM
We are going Sunday August 30th to the 7:15 show and as I said to the CM we want the rafters. We sat there for our honeymoon in 1988 it was great up there.

Joshua_me
06-14-2009, 02:04 AM
http://www.wdwinfo.com/wdwinfo/dining/diningdetail.cfm?restaurant.ID=36

This link should help.

ancestry
06-14-2009, 07:29 AM
When you make your ADRs all you will get to pick at that point in time is a category for seating. You won't get a specific table. With the dining plan they usually give you the best category available at that point. For the earlier show you get either category 2 or 3 and for latest show you can have any of three categories.

TheRustyScupper
06-14-2009, 07:47 AM
Okay, thanks! I'll be on one phone & DH will be on another...surely one of us can get a good seat! :laughing: Does the WDW site have a seating chart--or have you ever seen one?

Okay, thanks! I'll be on one phone & DH will be on another...surely one of us can get a good seat! Does the WDW site have a seating chart--or have you ever seen one?


1) You CANNOT request a seat.
2) The seating chart is made 8-days ahead of time.
3) You know your category, but not your seat until a week ahead of time.
4) There is no "general seating", as all tables are pre-assigned (I have done assigning).
5) As for best seats, better seats ALWAYS cost more - Broadway or HDDR.
6) Regardless of what people say.
7) Repeat, regardless of what people say.
8) I would not do HDDR without a Cat-1 seat.
9) Categories
. . . Cat-1, floor level and back to 2/3 of house
. . . Cat-2, back 2/3 of house to rear of room and some balcony
. . . Cat-3, all balcony, 1/2 of table cranks neck, some views blocked by posts

NOTE: HDDR tables in each category are assigned by the date of the ressie. Earlier ressies get the better tables. The exception are tables #044 and #045 which are kept open until show-day for last minute handicapped guests. Table numbers are identified as 044 = floor-level, fourth-row-from-front, fourth-table-from-left.

pepe of ohio
06-14-2009, 09:23 AM
We've done this numerous times and had one seating in the balcony, booked too late and never again, that was before cat seating. Our backs were to the stage, servers are more tentive on the ground floor and you feel not part of the action. If I'm going to pay for a dinner and show, thats what I'm going to do, pay and get cat. 1, it's where the action is, you're only going to one show in a trip so make the best of it.

BarleyJack
06-14-2009, 09:47 AM
When we saw HDDR we had cat 2 seating. Were upstairs on the balcony, at the back of the theatre (right in front of the light operator). They were AWESOME seats. The theatre is small, its not like going to wrigley field and having to sit in the bleachers. The actors do come up to the balcony, and interact with balcony sitters from the stage as well.

JEAhrtWDW
06-14-2009, 12:32 PM
When we saw HDDR we had cat 2 seating. Were upstairs on the balcony, at the back of the theatre (right in front of the light operator). They were AWESOME seats. The theatre is small, its not like going to wrigley field and having to sit in the bleachers. The actors do come up to the balcony, and interact with balcony sitters from the stage as well.

We were in the same spot last Nov and I thought it was great. DD9 and DS2 were able to see and enjoy the whole show. I do not think it is necessary to pay OOP for better seating.

pixiebran
06-14-2009, 02:36 PM
Is it possible to find our exactly where you are seated in time to cancel if your seats aren't any good??

chocolateMinnie
06-14-2009, 02:43 PM
We went to the show in February and paid OOP for CAT 1 and the seats were awesome. Having said which we are booked for DXDP for next year and will obviously only get cat 2/3 and although the seating in other spots didn't look as good there were no tables where the whole table looked in a dreadful position. We will be able to judge better after we have tried next year but are happy to take pot luck.

weHEARTmickey
06-14-2009, 03:02 PM
WOW!!!!!!!! Thanks for all of the opinions & advice. We will just have to take our chances w/ ADR's at 7:15 on DDP. We will be calling as SOON as our ADR date gets here (& HOOP will be mid-way through our vacation.) So, I hope we get pretty good seats (considering we'll be in cat 2 or 3.) :rolleyes1

If I'm understanding correctly, we'll know ONE WEEK before our ADR what our exact seats are? Another poster asked if we could cancel at that time & not be charged....do they also have the 48 hr cancellation policy? Will I have to secure ADR's with a CC# (like for CRT?)

Are the 7:15 shows always booked solid? I wonder what the most popular nights are? popcorn:: Thanks again!

danielle.st
06-14-2009, 03:50 PM
We were in the same spot last Nov and I thought it was great. DD9 and DS2 were able to see and enjoy the whole show. I do not think it is necessary to pay OOP for better seating.

We also were there (balcony, behind the light operator) and we thought it was fantastic.We could see absolutely everything.

BarleyJack
06-14-2009, 03:56 PM
WOW!!!!!!!! Thanks for all of the opinions & advice. We will just have to take our chances w/ ADR's at 7:15 on DDP. We will be calling as SOON as our ADR date gets here (& HOOP will be mid-way through our vacation.) So, I hope we get pretty good seats (considering we'll be in cat 2 or 3.) :rolleyes1

If I'm understanding correctly, we'll know ONE WEEK before our ADR what our exact seats are? Another poster asked if we could cancel at that time & not be charged....do they also have the 48 hr cancellation policy? Will I have to secure ADR's with a CC# (like for CRT?)

Are the 7:15 shows always booked solid? I wonder what the most popular nights are? popcorn:: Thanks again!

When you check into your hotel you can get your HDDR tickets from the concerige at your resort, they will not be sent to you with your travel documents (at least ours weren't). I honestly don't remember if they have the table assignment on them at that point. I'm sure someone else here can answer that for you. Yes, you will have to secure the ADR with a CC#. When you make the ADR the CM helping you will tell you the "cancel by" date.
The HDDR is crazy popular year round, it sells out regularly from what I've been told.

ROEDISNEY
06-14-2009, 04:04 PM
When we go it's so worth in my opinion Cat 1:cool1:

Mickdeb
06-14-2009, 05:03 PM
Don't mean to barge, I recently made an adr for HDDR 9:30 show and it came up as a category 1, the CM said, "oh it can't be cat.1 since your on the dining plan, let me change that for you." She then went and changed the ressie to cat.2
Is it true you can have cat.1 on DDP if you book the 9:30 show?
TIA

dancin Disney style
06-14-2009, 05:12 PM
Don't mean to barge, I recently made an adr for HDDR 9:30 show and it came up as a category 1, the CM said, "oh it can't be cat.1 since your on the dining plan, let me change that for you." She then went and changed the ressie to cat.2
Is it true you can have cat.1 on DDP if you book the 9:30 show?
TIA

Yes... you can have cat.1 only but only at the 9:30pm show.

The 5 & 7:15 are cat.2 & 3 only.

Mickdeb
06-14-2009, 05:19 PM
Ugh, I hate when people on the DIS know more than the CM's. I did just call back and the CM called guest services to confirm what you all already knew.:confused3 But of course now cat.1 is not available. Why oh why did she cancel it when I originally booked my ressie.:sad2:

TheRustyScupper
06-14-2009, 06:46 PM
If I'm understanding correctly, we'll know ONE WEEK before our ADR what our exact seats are? Another poster asked if we could cancel at that time & not be charged....do they also have the 48 hr cancellation policy? Will I have to secure ADR's with a CC# (like for CRT?)

1) HDDR tickets are available 7-days in advance.
2) Pick them up in person (not mailed to you)
. . . at the resort Concierge Desk
. . . at the HDDR box office at Pioneer Hall
. . . at any Guest Service Desk in the parks or at DTD
3) There is a 48-hr cancel policy.

vellamint
06-14-2009, 07:20 PM
Is it possible to find our exactly where you are seated in time to cancel if your seats aren't any good??

I too would love to know if the seating/tables are printed on the tickets......

I wont be happy if we cant comfortably see the show especially since I called on day one but due to the CM not entering the dining plan I had to cancel and rebook.....

Anyone remember if there are assignments on the tickets when you pick them up?

disneynutz
06-14-2009, 07:22 PM
Your table assignment will be printed on the tickets, but only the Cast Members know where the tables are physically located so the numbers don't do much good.

Thinking back to the several times that we have gone, the smaller numbers are closest to the stage and the larger are towards the back.

Atchley
06-14-2009, 07:23 PM
When we saw HDDR we had cat 2 seating. Were upstairs on the balcony, at the back of the theatre (right in front of the light operator). They were AWESOME seats. The theatre is small, its not like going to wrigley field and having to sit in the bleachers. The actors do come up to the balcony, and interact with balcony sitters from the stage as well.

Us too! We thought the seats were awesome!!!

ReneeQ
06-14-2009, 08:21 PM
We are planning to go to HDDR for the first time in June 2010. It will be me, my two grown sisters, and my two nephews, who will be 12 and 5. Should I go ahead and book this now? Will they actually CHARGE my credit card for the full amount, or just use my card to hold the ressie?

Also, one sister is not SURE she can go on the trip. If it turns out she can't go, can I cancel her off my ressie, without "jeopardizing" my place in line by booking so early? If I cancel her and go from a party of 5 to 4, will I go to the end of the line, so to speak, as far as getting a good seat?

vellamint
06-14-2009, 09:02 PM
Your table assignment will be printed on the tickets, but only the Cast Members know where the tables are physically located so the numbers don't do much good.

Thinking back to the several times that we have gone, the smaller numbers are closest to the stage and the larger are towards the back.

Oooh....a quest to atttempt to construct a seating chart WITH numbers!! Can anyone help me out?

We are planning to go to HDDR for the first time in June 2010. It will be me, my two grown sisters, and my two nephews, who will be 12 and 5. Should I go ahead and book this now? Will they actually CHARGE my credit card for the full amount, or just use my card to hold the ressie?

Also, one sister is not SURE she can go on the trip. If it turns out she can't go, can I cancel her off my ressie, without "jeopardizing" my place in line by booking so early? If I cancel her and go from a party of 5 to 4, will I go to the end of the line, so to speak, as far as getting a good seat?

This can only be booked 90 days out now :(.

weHEARTmickey
06-14-2009, 10:01 PM
Oooh....a quest to atttempt to construct a seating chart WITH numbers!! Can anyone help me out?

Oooh....I would LOVE to know what tables are where! Does anyone have their old ticket stubs/confirmations??? Could you possibly tell us where your table was on this seating chart that Joshua_me linked us to? :flower3: (I have Photoshop & I can just add the #'s as they come in?!?!?) :banana:
http://i277.photobucket.com/albums/kk58/weHEARTmickey/hoop-dee-do-seatingchart.gif

GetGlowing
06-15-2009, 12:23 PM
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JEAhrtWDW
06-15-2009, 12:46 PM
Oooh....I would LOVE to know what tables are where! Does anyone have their old ticket stubs/confirmations??? Could you possibly tell us where your table was on this seating chart that Joshua_me linked us to? :flower3: (I have Photoshop & I can just add the #'s as they come in?!?!?) :banana:
http://i277.photobucket.com/albums/kk58/weHEARTmickey/hoop-dee-do-seatingchart.gif

I believe that our table number was 218 - CAT 2, balcony, middle right table (looking at the seating pic provided)- I thought the location was great and wanted to remember the table number for future reference, but I don't have any ticket stub to confirm :confused3

jcemom
06-15-2009, 03:54 PM
Oooh....I would LOVE to know what tables are where! Does anyone have their old ticket stubs/confirmations??? Could you possibly tell us where your table was on this seating chart that Joshua_me linked us to? :flower3: (I have Photoshop & I can just add the #'s as they come in?!?!?) :banana:
http://i277.photobucket.com/albums/kk58/weHEARTmickey/hoop-dee-do-seatingchart.gifI'm looking at some of my ticket stubs right now...

category 2, table #112. It was on the balcony, just to the right of center as you're looking at the chart. Marked in blue.

category 1, table #13. It was right up against the stage, in the center. Marked in black.

category 1, table 71A. It was about halfway back on the floor, to the right if you're looking at the chart. Marked in yellow.

table P05. In the area marked in white. We were not against the back wall, but we were under the balcony. I'm not sure if the category 2 tables are against the wall or not. If they are then we were in the last row of what is now category 1. If they're not against the wall, then we were in category 2.

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y56/jcemom/hddrmap52-1.jpg

jcemom
06-15-2009, 03:56 PM
Of all the tables, our favorite was the one on the balcony. We felt we could see really well (especially DD 6).

vellamint
06-15-2009, 07:36 PM
I'm looking at some of my ticket stubs right now...

category 2, table #112. It was on the balcony, just to the right of center as you're looking at the chart. Marked in blue.

category 1, table #13. It was right up against the stage, in the center. Marked in black.

category 1, table 71A. It was about halfway back on the floor, to the right if you're looking at the chart. Marked in yellow.

table P05. In the area marked in white. We were not against the back wall, but we were under the balcony. I'm not sure if the category 2 tables are against the wall or not. If they are then we were in the last row of what is now category 1. If they're not against the wall, then we were in category 2.

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y56/jcemom/hddrmap52-1.jpg


Great job!! Anyone else care to help with this project.

How many of these tables are for a party of six do you think? And where are the "posts" that can obstruct your view located.....

TheRustyScupper
06-15-2009, 07:56 PM
Anyone else care to help with this project.
How many of these tables are for a party of six do you think? And where are the "posts" that can obstruct your view located.....

1) What project? You get the table that is pre-assigned and not changeable.
2) Most tables can be moved around to make various party counts.
3) Many of the Cat-3 tables have posts in your view.

TheRustyScupper
06-15-2009, 08:00 PM
Oooh....I would LOVE to know what tables are where! [/IMG]

Your table assignment will be printed on the tickets, but only the Cast Members know where the tables are physically located so the numbers don't do much good.

Thinking back to the several times that we have gone, the smaller numbers are closest to the stage and the larger are towards the back.


1) If you viewed my post on Reply #10, you can easily decipher the table location.
2) All three digits of the table number have meaning.

weHEARTmickey
06-21-2009, 09:00 PM
I'm looking at some of my ticket stubs right now...
category 2, table #112. It was on the balcony, just to the right of center as you're looking at the chart. Marked in blue.
category 1, table #13. It was right up against the stage, in the center. Marked in black.
category 1, table 71A. It was about halfway back on the floor, to the right if you're looking at the chart. Marked in yellow.
table P05. In the area marked in white. We were not against the back wall, but we were under the balcony. I'm not sure if the category 2 tables are against the wall or not. If they are then we were in the last row of what is now category 1. If they're not against the wall, then we were in category 2.
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y56/jcemom/hddrmap52-1.jpg
Great job!!! :thumbsup2 Thank you SO much! I know this is just the type of info I was hoping for. We made our ADR's on Thur & went ahead & booked CATEGORY 1 at 9:30 (on DDP)!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :banana: :woohoo: :cheer2: (Here's hoping for lucky table #13--WOW!)

1) What project? You get the table that is pre-assigned and not changeable....
Some of us had mentioned cancelling our ADR's if the seat assignment wasn't worth it (in our opinion.) Knowing some of the table #'s would help us decide. It was mentioned that we'd get our seat assignments about 1 week before our ressie, & then we could choose to keep those seats or cancel them (following the 48 hr cancellation policy, of course!) ;)

Yes... you can have cat.1 only but only at the 9:30pm show.
The 5 & 7:15 are cat.2 & 3 only.

Hoop is a 2 credit show. With the DDP you can pick Cat 2 or 3 seating for all shows (if available) and cat 1 seating for the 9:30 show only. Cat 1 is the best, 2 & 3 are on the sides and up stairs.

Thanks for the advice on the 9:30 ressie/Cat 1 with DDP :hug: ....the CM I spoke with said Cat.1 wasn't available on DDP & I told him the Disboards said it was. He put me on hold to check & VOILA! We have our Cat.1 table!!!!:banana:

I really appreciate each & every one of you who contributed to our decisions about Hoop Dee Doo! This will be our very first time to see the show & I'm just so excited. :woohoo: I know my DH & kids will have a blast. :grouphug:

disneyJMD
06-21-2009, 11:48 PM
Just a question...is there anything in the policy for HDDR tickets that once you pick up your tickets your 48 hr cancellation is no longer valid? It seems like disney would have something like that in place.

TheRustyScupper
06-22-2009, 07:48 AM
Just a question...is there anything in the policy for HDDR tickets that once you pick up your tickets your 48 hr cancellation is no longer valid? It seems like disney would have something like that in place.

You can still cancel, as long as you surrender the tickets at that time.

vellamint
08-26-2009, 03:54 PM
1) You CANNOT request a seat.
2) The seating chart is made 8-days ahead of time.
3) You know your category, but not your seat until a week ahead of time.
4) There is no "general seating", as all tables are pre-assigned (I have done assigning).
5) As for best seats, better seats ALWAYS cost more - Broadway or HDDR.
6) Regardless of what people say.
7) Repeat, regardless of what people say.
8) I would not do HDDR without a Cat-1 seat.
9) Categories
. . . Cat-1, floor level and back to 2/3 of house
. . . Cat-2, back 2/3 of house to rear of room and some balcony
. . . Cat-3, all balcony, 1/2 of table cranks neck, some views blocked by posts

NOTE: HDDR tables in each category are assigned by the date of the ressie. Earlier ressies get the better tables. The exception are tables #044 and #045 which are kept open until show-day for last minute handicapped guests. Table numbers are identified as 044 = floor-level, fourth-row-from-front, fourth-table-from-left.

Scupper our cat 2 seats were at a table where a post blocked my view of the show.....so it is not just the cat 3 seats that have the posts....the difference between the cat 3's is also that they are ALL directly on the railing while 4 of 6 of us at our table were not.

When we saw HDDR we had cat 2 seating. Were upstairs on the balcony, at the back of the theatre (right in front of the light operator). They were AWESOME seats. The theatre is small, its not like going to wrigley field and having to sit in the bleachers. The actors do come up to the balcony, and interact with balcony sitters from the stage as well.

We also were there (balcony, behind the light operator) and we thought it was fantastic.We could see absolutely everything.


We had the table right next to that table and my view was blocked by a post....see photo below.

http://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j145/Vellamint/Disney%202009/333.jpg

Scupper is right...pay for the cat 1's or, as there is no way of knowing where your cat 2 will be ..... take a cat 3.

iloveeeyore
08-26-2009, 07:52 PM
If you use the DDP 2 TS credits, then you will be "short" one TS for a different night. Instead, consider paying OOP for HDDR, PAY for the Cat. 1!!!! and use your "extra" credit either for a nice breakfast or lunch, or enjoy a signature restaurant one night.

The problem with Cat. 2 & 3 is that it's hit or miss...some of the seats are great, as with the center balcony, others are terrible. We had TERRIBLE seats in Cat. 2 and will always pay OOP for Cat. 1...just not willing to take that risk with HDDR. It's way too improtant to us.

keishashadow
08-26-2009, 09:23 PM
search engine didn't bring up HOOP as hoop de doo:laughing:glad i stumbled upon this...

even more undecided as to whether pick cat 2 or 3 now. Honestly, i tend to pick balcony seats in the theater for more panoramic viewpoint...so i guess i'd have to pick cat 3 to guarantee balcony.

Q re the posts in pics shown here...r they located between the tables on the balcony level or do they actually block the tables?

Just worried about picking cat 2 & getting stuck way in back 1st level & not being able to see the stage...it looks high enough me, yet have read reviews where peeps complain:confused3.

vellamint
08-26-2009, 10:36 PM
search engine didn't bring up HOOP as hoop de doo:laughing:glad i stumbled upon this...

even more undecided as to whether pick cat 2 or 3 now. Honestly, i tend to pick balcony seats in the theater for more panoramic viewpoint...so i guess i'd have to pick cat 3 to guarantee balcony.

Q re the posts in pics shown here...r they located between the tables on the balcony level or do they actually block the tables?

Just worried about picking cat 2 & getting stuck way in back 1st level & not being able to see the stage...it looks high enough me, yet have read reviews where peeps complain:confused3.

They are attached to the railings...they dont block the actual table itself but as you can see from my photo....between the pole and the person sitting at the rail (my son) the person in the second seat cant see well at all. Maybe if you have small children and sit them at the rail the second seat person could see better over the childs head. I have all teens so that couldnt work for me......it was truly a bad seat.

keishashadow
08-27-2009, 01:37 PM
so on 2nd floor the support posts would be in between the tables...if just 3 guests in my party, could one of us sit on either side of rail & the 3rd on opposite end of table (as in the aisle, facing the rail):confused:for better view? or would that be blocking the server's paths?

:guilty:sounding way too technical picking out a table, yet i know im among others who think alike & just want to provide the best experience possible for their family on vacation:goodvibes

TheRustyScupper
08-27-2009, 04:37 PM
sounding way too technical picking out a table, yet i know im among others who think alike & just want to provide the best experience possible for their family on vacation

1) You buy your ticket and take your chances.
2) By deciphering the code I wrote, you know where your table is.
3) Now, you have to figure out where the posts are. :confused3

NOTE: If you want the best experince possible, just don't go cheap. Buy Cat-1.

vellamint
08-27-2009, 05:39 PM
so on 2nd floor the support posts would be in between the tables...if just 3 guests in my party, could one of us sit on either side of rail & the 3rd on opposite end of table (as in the aisle, facing the rail):confused:for better view? or would that be blocking the server's paths?

:guilty:sounding way too technical picking out a table, yet i know im among others who think alike & just want to provide the best experience possible for their family on vacation:goodvibes

As a family of three you may be just fine.....our family of six only had 2 against the rail....and the two at the end of the table had an okay line of site.....and I only say "okay" because that is what only was....plus the leaf in the table had their plates tilted down towards their laps which they commented on as being very annoying.....whatever....we liked the food (LOVED the fried chicken)...my teenagers LOVED the show...and the manager made it up to me for my blocked view (which I did NOT ask for in case anyone wants to jump on me).

keishashadow
08-28-2009, 02:43 PM
thanx again, nice to see mgmt made an effort

TheRustyScupper - u've been a big help:thumbsup2.

jmho that disney is very detail oriented on most things it's surprising that they don't have a sub-category for the tier 2 tables (main floor & balcony). there has to be a lot of people who qualifiy for GACs, yet don't want to pay tier 1 for a HC table & would be happy to sit in back on level 1:confused: