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2 princes 1 princess
06-05-2009, 12:34 PM
Okay, I usually stay out of people's business. I make my own mistakes in life and try not to judge others most of the time. I just need to rant about my neighbor for a few minutes and then I'll keep to myself.
Here goes...

My neighbor rents the house next door. The owner collects the rent and that's it. The house is falling apart and he always finds a new renter who is worse than the last ( garbage all over the place, not cutting the lawn for months etc.)

This time he found a renter with 4 pit bull dogs. The dogs seem to be very friendly however I don't let my kids around them. Again, I'm trying not to judge, I just don't want my kids around dogs that are so strong and big.

Anyway, yesterday the neighbor was talking to me about where I work. I told her that I'm changing jobs and looking for a job with different hours to decrease the amount of child care I needed. I work in a school and need a job closer to home.

She told me that since she is a single mom, she receives free child care and the director of the center feels sorry for her and takes her 2 kids overnight etc. She was very happy and thought anyone who doesnt' take advantage of this situation is an "idiot". Those were her words!!!!

Life is just great for her isn't it? They had a party last night (Wednesday) until midnight. Motorcycles revving up as their friends left.
I just saw her walking outside with the dogs. Its after noon here and she is in her pj's and the kids are at daycare. I let her know that the motorcycles woke us up and It can't happen again.

The reason I'm upset is this: My kids want a dog and we can not afford one. My husband works 2 jobs and I work as well. We are struggling to make ends meet and my neighbor is happy as a clam. This lady has free child care, food stamps and subsidized rent and
therefore can afford 4 large dogs in her two bedroom house!!!
I wish our government would make some changes here! I understand they don't get assistance for the dogs, but they get it for everything else!!!!

It ticks me off so much!!!!


Okay, I'm done.

ajk912
06-05-2009, 12:40 PM
Yup, the system is so screwy. My sis is always making jokes, that she needs to pop out a kid so she gets more college aid, get food stamps,welfare, and maybe even section 8 housing. The rest of us are going about this all wrong. Work? Why bother? :lmao:

Of course, that's not how it REALLY works, but it sure sounds that way from the way people talk.

natmurr
06-05-2009, 12:48 PM
grrr - that kind of attitude just burns my biscuits too. I used to work at an Employment Resource Center and every once in a while I'd come across someone like that - they just visit the Center because its a requirement for welfare:sad2:

DanceRC28
06-05-2009, 12:48 PM
I totally understand and agree with you! DH and I have been taking the necessary financial steps for the past few years to ensure we have a proper home for our future children and can afford to fully take care of them with only some assistance from family (w/childcare while we both work, not in money). My friend works for DCF and when I hear the stories of the low life losers that are living for free of of the gov't, it angers me more than anything else. It is that easy, they do take advantage and there needs to be reform!

Sk8Leigh
06-05-2009, 12:54 PM
Well first off, I would call the police about the noise the next time they're being loud at midnight. :thumbsup2

And things like this are going to get worse. :sad2:

JoanneNC
06-05-2009, 01:40 PM
Distribution of wealth at its best

Sorry you are dealing with this....but just remember your kids are learning the right values from you

parkers*momma
06-05-2009, 01:56 PM
double post

parkers*momma
06-05-2009, 01:57 PM
I know EXACTLY what you mean!

I had a customer the other day who was complaining...COMPLAINING...that she only rec'ved an additional $25 in her check and $50 in foodstamps per month this year PLUS one of the programs could only get her one air conditioner and they have three bedrooms. When I asked her about the increase in her electric due to the air conditioner, she said "heap pays my utilities."

Yet, I grabbing every minute of overtime I can (which is few and far between most weeks), now hanging my clothes on the line and turned back the water heater because our electric company had a 25% increase this year, our insurance just cut what is covered plus raised our co-pay and premiums, and I haven't had a raise in 3 years. When is it going to end!

The system is being abused so much it is crazy. Ohhhh and the reason she is on assistance...she proudly boosts "I just act like I have mental problems. All I have to do is start talking to myself, acting crazy, ect. and I get everything I want. Even my Dr. believes me!" In all honesty, she is probably about the most normal person I know-she is an intelligent woman and she knows how to use the system.

We work and work and stretch and stretch just to have someone complain they aren't getting more than an extra $75.00 a month hand-out. Sad, isn't it?

DisneyMomOK
06-05-2009, 02:06 PM
She has four dogs? I thought most cities limited the number of pets you can keep?

Congratulations to you OP, for playing by the rules and being a good role model. Unfortunately, people like your neighbor are becoming more and more prevalent.

dawnbu40
06-05-2009, 02:29 PM
I'm sorry to hear your frustration! Trust me, I know what its like to have the loud,partying, pitbull owning, system abusing neighbor! I loved our neighborhood til ours moved in next door! Your story reminded me of an incident DD (now in college so its been a long time) had in elementary school. She came home crying one day because the other kids were teasing her at lunch. You see they told her she was some kind of loser because she had to buy her lunch and they got theirs free :sad2: Go figure!

crisi
06-05-2009, 02:45 PM
If you are suspecting someone is defrauding the system, you can report them. Most states have a special line to report suspected welfare abuse.

Food stamps don't pay for pet food (at least, not that I know of), and they really don't pay enough to feed her family plus the dogs if she is feeding the dogs people food. Extra income is entering the house - simply to feed the dogs. Since extra income has to be reported and will affect her eligibility, given the information you've given here, the chance she is committing welfare fraud seems pretty high.

61292cna
06-05-2009, 02:45 PM
The most disgusting part is she makes everyone who gets government aid look like a bunch of freeloaders. My sister works 40 hours a week, but makes so little that, she still qualifies for food stamps, a medical card, & child care(for younger DS11). Unfotunately it has become a trap, since due to oldest DS13's mental health problems, she can either make more money(but leave son untreated = no medical) or stay under the income limit(Keep medical card & get son treated). Due to Hippa rules, I can't give diagnosis, but I know someday soon he will harm someone seriously, if he doesn't get & stay in treatment:scared1:. It hurts :sad2::sad2: to know she tries so hard do do right by her kids & others like this just make it so much harder!!!

lcrane
06-05-2009, 03:26 PM
this upset me very much you see my husband is on dialysis 3x a week 4hour each day, I work 2 jobs one 8:30am-5:00pm and then 6:00pm untill 12:00pm. We have 2 kids and we do not qualify for anything it took us 2 years just to get his SSD. We almost lost the house and car, we tried to file bankruptcy but because i decided to work then they could not help us if I would have quit my job (this is when i was just working 1) then they would have help us file for bankruptcy. We have to refile everyear on his SSD and they always give us the papers to file out for Food Stamps and other assistant but since i am working we do not qualify.
Sorry had to rant but life is not fail to the ones that play by the rules.

Lisa

2 princes 1 princess
06-05-2009, 04:52 PM
If you are suspecting someone is defrauding the system, you can report them. Most states have a special line to report suspected welfare abuse.

Food stamps don't pay for pet food (at least, not that I know of), and they really don't pay enough to feed her family plus the dogs if she is feeding the dogs people food. Extra income is entering the house - simply to feed the dogs. Since extra income has to be reported and will affect her eligibility, given the information you've given here, the chance she is committing welfare fraud seems pretty high.

I know the government doesn't pay for pet food as well as vet bills. I am frustrated because she cries for assistance with child care, housing and food and our tax money is paying it while any money she earns is obviously going to the dogs.
They look well cared for. I'm sure the system is well aware that she has dogs since section 8 pays her rent and the landlord collects about 63.00 a month from her. They know who is in the house.
Oooooh I wish she never told me all of this! Now I'm hoping for bad luck on her, and I hate when I get like that!

omghidanielle
06-05-2009, 07:28 PM
She sounds just like MY next door neighbor!

My neighbor also does not work and collects welfare. She and her 2 dogs never leave the house (the dogs go out, only to use the bathroom...and the whole yard is full of poop) to avoid bill collectors. The dogs are so socially inept, when they see another person, they go so crazy, they spin in circles and kick their poop EVERYWHERE. Meanwhile, she stays up all night long, having speakerphone relations with her British internet-boyfriend and listening to really awful music and smoking cigarettes. And, whenever she does leave the house, the dogs WAIL and CRY like nothing I've ever heard before.

I live in a rowhome, every word of everything that she does just floats through the wall. We even had to re-arrange the entire second floor of my house just so we could sleep, because listening to her 'relations' and Hannah Montana karaoke at 3AM was getting the best of us. My master bedroom is now a big closet, but now I'm considering just emptying the room completely, because it smells like an ashtray.

But one of the best parts of all of this is that she used to own my house, and lost it to foreclosure. She also owns her house, but is losing that to foreclosure. I found out recently that she INHERITED both homes, and the bank owning her house has actually vacated the case against her, and she gets to live in her house at no cost, whatsoever, and she owes somewhere around $75,000.

AND I recently found out from another neighbor that she saved up her welfare to get herself GASTRIC BYPASS surgery.

The first time we met her, she was about 280lbs and she threatened us with her dogs because we complained about their crying for hours at a time in the early morning.

The last time I saw her, she was about 130 and she was so high that she accidentally mowed our lawn instead of her own.

I understand that it's absolutely infuriating! But, what I've learned is that you need to ignore her and just think about how much better a person you are for doing things the right way. There are some awful people in the world, there's no sense in letting them turn you into one of them!

sorul82?
06-05-2009, 07:54 PM
Does your neighborhood have any covenants stating about how high the grass can be or number of dogs? This may take some research, but some insurance companies will drop your homeowners if you have a certain type dog. (Allstate may or may not still do this with rottweilers) I'm not sure if you could find out who the landlord has coverage with. Are the dogs on a leash? Do you have leash laws? A fence?

silmarg
06-05-2009, 09:00 PM
wow, a lot of tough stories here. i guess I should count my blessings.

disneynuts777
06-05-2009, 09:36 PM
I know EXACTLY what you mean!

I had a customer the other day who was complaining...COMPLAINING...that she only rec'ved an additional $25 in her check and $50 in foodstamps per month this year PLUS one of the programs could only get her one air conditioner and they have three bedrooms. When I asked her about the increase in her electric due to the air conditioner, she said "heap pays my utilities."

Yet, I grabbing every minute of overtime I can (which is few and far between most weeks), now hanging my clothes on the line and turned back the water heater because our electric company had a 25% increase this year, our insurance just cut what is covered plus raised our co-pay and premiums, and I haven't had a raise in 3 years. When is it going to end!

The system is being abused so much it is crazy. Ohhhh and the reason she is on assistance...she proudly boosts "I just act like I have mental problems. All I have to do is start talking to myself, acting crazy, ect. and I get everything I want. Even my Dr. believes me!" In all honesty, she is probably about the most normal person I know-she is an intelligent woman and she knows how to use the system.

We work and work and stretch and stretch just to have someone complain they aren't getting more than an extra $75.00 a month hand-out. Sad, isn't it?

Are you kidding me!!!???? I am working 2 jobs to make up the difference in DH's and my cut pay and hours. We are in the middle of maybe being transferred so DH can keep his job and then I read about people like this!!!:headache:

funnygarcia
06-05-2009, 09:40 PM
this upset me very much you see my husband is on dialysis 3x a week 4hour each day, I work 2 jobs one 8:30am-5:00pm and then 6:00pm untill 12:00pm. We have 2 kids and we do not qualify for anything it took us 2 years just to get his SSD. We almost lost the house and car, we tried to file bankruptcy but because i decided to work then they could not help us if I would have quit my job (this is when i was just working 1) then they would have help us file for bankruptcy. We have to refile everyear on his SSD and they always give us the papers to file out for Food Stamps and other assistant but since i am working we do not qualify.
Sorry had to rant but life is not fail to the ones that play by the rules.

Lisa

:hug:

I hope you swing by to read this.. from one wife loving a chronically ill person to another...

My husband has been in kidney failure and on dialysis for the past 10 years.
ESRD (end stage real disease) is an "automatic" qualifier for social security disability. I'm confused by your "refile every year" that is not true if he is getting SSDI, my husband has not needed to refile. :confused:

He does need to keep social secuity informed of any changes in HIS employment or in his disability.

Also, has your husband considered home hemo? In center dialysis is not the only choice! My husband dilayzes at home, 2 1/2 hrs five to six days a week. HE chooses the time, days off and how he wants to handle his own care. It's made a HUGE difference in his health and now works full time as a middle school science teacher. :goodvibes

The sad truth of it... after taxes, health insurance deductibles and copays... he makes just as much as he did NOT working and just collecting disability. :sad2: He could sit at home and get full medical covered (as an employed person with disablity .. he could work a few hours per month and "buy in" to medical assistance, they only count HIS income for that program. Limiting how much he can earn overall.. or get cut off of social security.)

This is why it's hard for those who "use the system", it's nearly impossible to leave the system. There are no safety nets for the disabled or chronically ill that have very expensive health care.

4Seasons
06-05-2009, 09:58 PM
Unfortunately this happens far more often than the government likes to believe or admit.
If your neighbor is renting the house thru section 8 there are guidelines she needs to live by and guidelines her landlord needs to follow.
I'm sure it varies widely by state but we have a couple properties we own with section 8 tenants and they are very strict on us and the tenants. An inspector comes out once a year and goes over the properties with a fine tooth comb and we must remedy all "deficiencies" in a particular timeframe. Some inspectors are much tougher than others (we always seem to get the tough ones) but it's in the tenant's contract with HUD they must upkeep the property.
If she is in fact on section 8, contact your local housing authority or department of housing to find out who to make a formal complaint to. They are supposed to check into all complaints within a certain timeframe. If you can find out the name of her counselor/caseworker, all the better (in our county when you call the housing office the caseworker's clients are assigned by first letter of the last name, so it's not hard to figure out because there is a recorded message).
Bad neighbors are a tough thing to live with, been there and done that. That's why 16 years ago we decided to move from a housing development to a house on 2 1/2 acres in the woods. We have LOTS of critters around, but I can tolerate living with snakes, lizards, frogs, turtles, deer, racoons, squirrels, etc. alot better than living next to some people I've known.

I hope you can get it worked out.

chellewashere
06-05-2009, 10:05 PM
Ok this one I have to rant about 3 things. One my DH cousin wont get married cause then she wouldnt be able to get welfare to pay for everything. My oldest friend has been on welfare her whole life she lives in a 1/2 million dollar house that has a whole new kitchen and upstairs 6 bedrooms and 3 bathrooms it is beautiful but she gets to claim she is a single mom with 6 kids so she gets it all and I mean it all. Lastly is a girl I work with. She is a single mom with 2 kids (by her choice) lives with her mom and has no bills. What she does have is a beautiful new truck, great iphone, best clothes and all that. She gets Chip for her kids even though medical is available to both her and the kids father we have to pay for it instead. The best part she just got laid-off from my job (fired actually but they put it as a layoff) the Apple daycare she gets here (which cost her 75 every 2 weeks for 2 kids in fulltime) will carry her for 3 months FREE!!! Why so she can job hunt. What does she do instead...puts them in there full time from 9-6pm and tans, sleeps, shops and watches her shows. Hello you are not working but I am still paying for your daycare. And now she talks about getting pregnant by her new boyfriend. Are you kidding me??? I would love to have another baby but there is no way in the world that my husband and I can afford to do that.
Now dont get me wrong if you need it by all means use it but I think the whole system needs to be gone over with a fine tooth comb and stop all the abuse. Oh and please dont say to report them. This has been tried and we were pretty much laughed at about it by the agencies...especially Chip we were basically told to mind our own business.
Oh the future looks so bleak anymore.
Thanks for letting me rant didnt realize it was so long:)

mskani
06-06-2009, 06:49 AM
Due to the economy we have seen a HUGE increase in applicants.

Yesterday I had to call this lady re: her cash application. I asked her some basic questions and confirmed most of what she put down on the application. I informed her that based on her current situation, she would not qualify for cash (she currently receives food stamps and medical coverage.)

The conversation went on further and I also explained to her that she was in jeopardy of losing her medical benefits because she was in non-compliance with child support. She missed an appointment or something. She is estranged from her husband and he gives her money every month--which is being budgeted. Anyway, she started to cry--really HARD. After I calmed her down and explained what she needed to do, she continued on with her story of how after she pays her mortgage (which was rather low considering the area that she lives in) and utilities, she didn't have enough to live on (she has four kids).

I told her that she could come into the office to pick up a referral for a gas card and at least that will help with her trying to do a job search. Then she says to me, "Well send the referral by mail--I'm going on vacation for two weeks and won't be back until the 20th!!

I was :rolleyes: and ended the conversation. Then I took a deep breath and tried to rationalize: maybe her parents are taking her on vacation. At any rate, I'm going to mail the referral, but I also sent the estranged husband's information to child support!!

here757
06-06-2009, 07:18 AM
i got a neighbor that is bad too... :confused3
shes got 2 kids and married.
the grandmother rented the house and they all live together.
2 kids. 2 adults 1 elderly lady.
the kids one is so quiet you wont know she was there.. she speaks but only when you talk to her. the other child straight ignores everyone. my son tries so hard to be friends. hes mean to him. ignores him. when he does play its whatever he wants to play. my son comes home in tears all the time. and that hurts.
the father works very hard. and is friendly.
the the kids mom.. shes a total.. butt! lol
she works but only part time. she goes to the bus stop in jammies no bra.. these are elem kids!
shes always on the cell phone talking loud for everyone to hear.
they have 2 of the really big city trash cans.. they let the boy put the trash out and he misses the can. so its always in my yard.( if i see my trash next door i grab it.) they are always getting the utilities cut off..
i know the husband is not the babys father. they constantly throw parties and fill the court to the hilt!
then they go and tell the other neighbor ..the last house they rented they were there for 15 years.. until the neighborhood started sending letters to the landlord to have them removed!
she got arrested xmas morning. we all went outside to watch her do the walk of shame to the cop car! she acts suck up and i cant figure it out..
she got arrested an the rest of us are trashy?? lol

BearHawk
06-06-2009, 07:29 AM
If you know where the child care center is, contact the director and let her know of the conversation. The director may not be pleased that this mother is viewing her assistance in this manner and may make changes to what she is offering this family.

Colleen27
06-06-2009, 10:37 AM
I hate people like this, because they make people want to stop helping despite the fact that many people really need it. You'd never know that most of the people I know who are on assistance are getting it. They aren't proud of it, don't talk about it, and unless you happened to see them using their food stamp card, there'd be no way to know. These are people dealing with layoffs and foreclosure and genuine misfortune. But because they're quietly going about trying to get their lives back together, it is the loser will the gall to brag about her welfare checks that come to mind when people talk about welfare. :mad:

MN_Gal
06-06-2009, 10:57 AM
I work doing eligibility determinations for assistance and I urge anyone who suspects welfare fraud to call and report it. All states have a welfare fraud hotline (just do a google search for your state). You can do this anonymously and by reporting it, you will feel better knowing you did your part.

leahjade
06-06-2009, 12:39 PM
Our local inner city school district recently did a survey and found that 89% of the kids got free breakfast and lunch subsidies and the kicker is that 88% of kids in the school have cellphones! Now we the taxpayers are paying for their meals, yet they can afford cellphones (and our plane for 4 people is $110 a month!) Somethings is wrong with a system that works this way.

ruadisneyfan2
06-06-2009, 01:38 PM
Sickening isn't it?
Friend of ours owns an oil delivery business. For those who get heating assistance, a check is mailed by the state made out to that person and the oil business name too. Both sign it and funds are held by the oil co and as the person buys oil, the cost is deducted from their account. Fine.
Here's the kicker: If they don't use all of the $$, our friend has to give them back what's left over as a check back to the person, not the state!!!
Of course this just gives them an incentive to sign up in multiple names and buy barely enough oil to keep warm, $50 at a time which is his min purchase and barely makes it worth his labor/truck costs to go out there.
ARRGH! At least give it back to the state or save it toward the next year when costs will probably be higher. :sad2:

Thank God there's none of that crap in our neighborhood. It would make me physically ill to get up at 5 am for work and witness that. We're not in a wealthy area but everyone works typical jobs, (teachers, policemen, vetenarian, etc.) and cares for their properties, children and pets. :cloud9:
If anything, since dh works at a sewer plant, we're the white trash of the neighborhood. lol! ;)

LKHomemail
06-06-2009, 01:42 PM
Here's a cut and paste I ran across from another site ,


Free cars for poor fuel road rage

http://news.bostonherald.com/news...ition=also

Quote :
Gov. Deval Patrick’s free wheels for welfare recipients program is revving up despite the stalled economy, as the keys to donated cars loaded with state-funded insurance, repairs and even AAA membership are handed out to get them to work.

But the program - fueled by a funding boost despite the state’s fiscal crash - allows those who end up back on welfare to keep the cars anyway.

“It’s mind-boggling. You’ve got people out there saying, ‘I just lost my job. Hey, can I get a free car, too?’ ” said House Minority Leader Brad Jones (R-North Reading).




Need a set of wheels your on welfare so you can’t afford the gas, insurance, maintenance or that pesky AAA membership. Problem solved

Move to Massachusetts…

Don’t worry… the state will give you a free car

LKHomemail
06-06-2009, 01:56 PM
don't forget about the 1 dollar FEMA trailers.

pilesoflaundry
06-06-2009, 02:32 PM
Our local inner city school district recently did a survey and found that 89% of the kids got free breakfast and lunch subsidies and the kicker is that 88% of kids in the school have cellphones! Now we the taxpayers are paying for their meals, yet they can afford cellphones (and our plane for 4 people is $110 a month!) Somethings is wrong with a system that works this way.

I don't know about everywhere but in a lot of places school aid is tied to how many kids they submit applications for and the more kids on free or reduced lunch and breakfast the more money the school gets so they really push filling them out here. You would be surprised how much you can make to still get reduced lunch. Free caps out at like $33,000 I think but it's up to $45,000 in some areas to still get lunch for .40.

MermaidsMom
06-06-2009, 03:10 PM
This lovely system has gotten a whole lot of politicians elected in recent years and it's only going to get worse, alot worse. As these families grow and others get on board guess which politicians they will vote for? Of course the ones who will give them more.

disbridemimi
06-06-2009, 03:50 PM
I have a neighbor like that! They drive a Hummer, have motorcycles, 4 wheelers and Jet skis. They brag about how they "work the system" and how they are technically "divorced" but live together. I dont understand how theri scam works, but somehow she gets assistance and he pays her child support and they pretend not to live together. They have a lot of loud parties, but have always been very nice to us, and respectful with the noise. They always invite us too. SO they are very nice, but I still hate them. DF thinks we shuld mind our business. But I work hard for my money, and dont like cheaters!

They WILL get caught. ANd Karma karma karma.

Shelly F - Ohio
06-06-2009, 06:41 PM
Sorry if this was mentioned but I did not read through all the post:

In some cities a person who ownes a pit bull must prove they have insurance for owning a dog that is considered vicious. For your families safety it's worth looking into to protect your family.




Okay, I usually stay out of people's business. I make my own mistakes in life and try not to judge others most of the time. I just need to rant about my neighbor for a few minutes and then I'll keep to myself.
Here goes...

My neighbor rents the house next door. The owner collects the rent and that's it. The house is falling apart and he always finds a new renter who is worse than the last ( garbage all over the place, not cutting the lawn for months etc.)

This time he found a renter with 4 pit bull dogs. The dogs seem to be very friendly however I don't let my kids around them. Again, I'm trying not to judge, I just don't want my kids around dogs that are so strong and big.

Anyway, yesterday the neighbor was talking to me about where I work. I told her that I'm changing jobs and looking for a job with different hours to decrease the amount of child care I needed. I work in a school and need a job closer to home.

She told me that since she is a single mom, she receives free child care and the director of the center feels sorry for her and takes her 2 kids overnight etc. She was very happy and thought anyone who doesnt' take advantage of this situation is an "idiot". Those were her words!!!!

Life is just great for her isn't it? They had a party last night (Wednesday) until midnight. Motorcycles revving up as their friends left.
I just saw her walking outside with the dogs. Its after noon here and she is in her pj's and the kids are at daycare. I let her know that the motorcycles woke us up and It can't happen again.

The reason I'm upset is this: My kids want a dog and we can not afford one. My husband works 2 jobs and I work as well. We are struggling to make ends meet and my neighbor is happy as a clam. This lady has free child care, food stamps and subsidized rent and
therefore can afford 4 large dogs in her two bedroom house!!!
I wish our government would make some changes here! I understand they don't get assistance for the dogs, but they get it for everything else!!!!

It ticks me off so much!!!!


Okay, I'm done.

brooklynheights
06-06-2009, 07:26 PM
Landlords are in charge of insurance if there are dogs pitbulls most rental properties they are not allowed as per the insurance companys and 4 is over the top in our area they have to be registered most communities also have noise reduction laws such as after 10pm or 11pm i would check into code violations on the home ask a city inspector to check it out helps if you know some violations I don't have to worry about section 8 or low income rent assits in my complex they are not allowed can't pay the rent can't get in we just had a news report on daycare some in the nearby city were getting daycare etc claiming to watch a family members kid vise versa getting over $30,000 a year to $75,000 plus all other benfits now daycare is being checked into being taken away as a benfit they will get one family got almost 1 million dollars in the past 7 years this is one set of family sisters all working together to scam us if you know the loopholes it pays

Gabrielsbigtrip
06-06-2009, 07:43 PM
I handle benefits for our company and I can't tell you how many times I have had single mothers (of multiple children from different fathers!) come in and say they need to drop their coverage because the state is paying for it.

I want to slap them silly because they just don't get that my and every hard working persons taxes are paying for it not the state!

Our insurance is FULL coverage and only costs 40 per week for a single parent and children (doesn't matter how many) but for me, my husband and son it costs 66 per week because we are a "Family":confused3

So now states are getting smart and just making companies put the individuals back on the company policy and refunding them the premium (40 per week) and the company gets stuck with the claim $'s.

We are a self insured company and I have a real doozy of a story that just cost us $300,000 and counting in claim $'s. Shame I can't get into the details but trust me......it's a sad state of affairs and I only see it getting worse.

So they can't pay the $40 per wk but can afford the gas for the Escalade, Tatoos, Piercings, Animals and Cigarettes.

It is very frustrating and the fact that the majority are actually PROUD of the fact that they are doing it ~ disgusts me.

I am all for helping those who are truly in need and are trying to get back on their feet but this never ending enabling of a broken system just stinks.

2 princes 1 princess
06-06-2009, 09:17 PM
Due to the economy we have seen a HUGE increase in applicants.

Yesterday I had to call this lady re: her cash application. I asked her some basic questions and confirmed most of what she put down on the application. I informed her that based on her current situation, she would not qualify for cash (she currently receives food stamps and medical coverage.)

The conversation went on further and I also explained to her that she was in jeopardy of losing her medical benefits because she was in non-compliance with child support. She missed an appointment or something. She is estranged from her husband and he gives her money every month--which is being budgeted. Anyway, she started to cry--really HARD. After I calmed her down and explained what she needed to do, she continued on with her story of how after she pays her mortgage (which was rather low considering the area that she lives in) and utilities, she didn't have enough to live on (she has four kids).

I told her that she could come into the office to pick up a referral for a gas card and at least that will help with her trying to do a job search. Then she says to me, "Well send the referral by mail--I'm going on vacation for two weeks and won't be back until the 20th!!

I was :rolleyes: and ended the conversation. Then I took a deep breath and tried to rationalize: maybe her parents are taking her on vacation. At any rate, I'm going to mail the referral, but I also sent the estranged husband's information to child support!!

I live in Illinois! You are "helping" my neighbor!!!:)

NikiM20
06-06-2009, 10:52 PM
Wow, The only thing I will comment on is how expensive it is to have dogs, I have 5 and I spend on average 5000 a year and that is a low average. Food is over $100 a month (and if she has 4 pits her food bill must be more than that) Monthly meds such as heartworm preventative and flea med is another $100. I treat my yard monthly for fleas $30 ( I do it myself ) Vet bills just for yearly shots and parish registration is over $200 a dog. Not to mention one gets sick, boarding or petsitter, treats, etc.

I cant see living off of welfare and getting food stamps , but having enough money to own 4 dogs and party all the time.:rolleyes:

ruadisneyfan2
06-06-2009, 10:58 PM
Wow, The only thing I will comment on is how expensive it is to have dogs, I have 5 and I spend on average 5000 a year and that is a low average. Food is over $100 a month (and if she has 4 pits her food bill must be more than that) Monthly meds such as heartworm preventative and flea med is another $100. I treat my yard monthly for fleas $30 ( I do it myself ) Vet bills just for yearly shots and parish registration is over $200 a dog. Not to mention one gets sick, boarding or petsitter, treats, etc.

I cant see living off of welfare and getting food stamps , but having enough money to own 4 dogs and party all the time.:rolleyes:

You are obviously taking good care of your dogs. Sadly, not all dog owners would do/spend what you do. Maybe they just feed them. who knows...:sad2:

kokomos
06-07-2009, 01:03 AM
I got this email says it was written by Bill Cosby I dont know but I like it and thought id pass it along....





Bill Cosby says:
> >
> > I HAVE DECIDED TO BECOME A WRITE-IN CANDIDATE.
> > HERE IS MY PLATFORM:
> >
> > (1) 'Press 1 for English' is immediately banned.
> English is the official language; speak it or wait at the
> border until you can.
> >
> > (2) We will immediately go into a two year
> isolationist posture to straighten out the country's
> attitude. NO imports, no exports. We will use the
> 'Wal-Mart 's policy, 'If we ain't got it, you don't need
> it.'
> >
> > (3) When imports are allowed, there will be a 100%
> import tax on it...
> >
> > (4) All retired military personnel will be required to
> man one of our many observation towers on the southern
> border (six month tour). They will be under strict orders
> not to fire on SOUTHBOUND aliens.
> >
> > (5) Social security will immediately return to its
> original state. If you didn't put nuttin in, you ain't
> getting nuttin out. The president nor any other politician
> will be able to touch it.
> >
> >
> > (6) Welfare - Checks will be handed out on Fridays at
> the end of the 40 hour school week and the successful
> completion of urinalysis and a passing grade.
> >
> > (7) Professional Athletes--Steroids.. The FIRST time
> you check positive you're banned for life.
> >
> > (8) Crime - We will adopt the Turkish method, the
> first time you steal, you lose your right hand. There is no
> more life sentences. If convicted of murder, you will be put
> to death by the same method you chose for your victim; gun,
> knife, strangulation, etc.
> >
> > (9) One export will be allowed, Wheat. The world needs
> to eat. A bushel of wheat will be the exact price of a
> barrel of oil.
> >
> > (10) All foreign aid using American taxpayer money
> will immediately cease, and the saved money will pay off the
> national debt and ultimately lower taxes. When disasters
> occur around the world, we'll ask the American people if
> they want to donate to a disaster fund, and each citizen can
> make the decision whether it's a worthy cause.
> >
> > (11) The Pledge of Allegiance will be said every day
> at school and every day in Congress...
> >
> > (12) The National Anthem will be played at all
> appropriate ceremonies, sporting events, outings, etc.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > The country was founded on certain principals - let's
> get back to them!
> > GOD BLESS AMERICA .
> >
> >
> > Bill Cosby

eaj1228
06-07-2009, 02:05 AM
One thing that really angers me with folks working the system is they are taking away help from people who need it.

I have an aunt who has a son with a rare genetic disorder who goes to see a doctor on a weekly basis. Not only does he go to his regular doctor but he goes to specialists out of state several times a year. She does have insurance but sometimes everything isn't covered. She doesn't qualify for any state medical programs due to the fact that the family makes too much money. She was told if she gave up her job she would qualify for state benefits. She is too proud to live completely off the government and she enjoys working. Due to a medical backruptcy she lost her house!!

It is so sad to see someone who works hard at their job and taking care of their child lose everything they worked for. It has caused a great deal of stress in not only her life but also on her son because he feels immense guilt that he is the reason that his parents lost their house.

I had a neighbor who would work the system and it made me so angry. She said that she couldn't work due to mental issues but I know she worked under the table for a friend of hers. She even threw her child an $2500 birthday party. She had cable, a cell phone (that she was yaking on all the time), and high speed internet. I even think section 8 paid for her covered parking spot in our apartment complex but she only used it when the spot right in front of our building weren't available. God forbid she would have to walk an addition 30 feet. :laughing:

Part of me is glad that the government has resources to help people but I have seen so many people scam the system I wonder if anyone who truly needs a hand up gets it. It seems help only to those who want a hand out.

I will hop off the soapbox now. Thanks for letting me vent.

danjoealexis3006
06-07-2009, 07:12 AM
I just feel bad for those kids. What kind of life is it for them?:confused3

aclov
06-07-2009, 07:18 AM
The lady with the dogs might also be selling her food stamps to buy dog food, alcohol or cigarettes. I know in our state it's a plastic card now not the paper food stamps, but somehow people get around everything and sell the funds for cash.
I know someone who has a live-in boyfriend who doesn't have a steady job so she sent him to apply for food stamps and utility funds. So basically since he is unemployed (usually works for cash) and homeless (although he lives with the girlfriend) he qualified! But he parties every weekend and blows all his money.
I don't have a problem with people getting assistance who really need it but than it's people like this that are taking advantage and when someone who really needs it applies they are denied. And these people like this healthy 30something year old that I know, doesn't feel sorry for taking the bread and butter from someone who actually can use it!

Kay1
06-07-2009, 08:07 AM
I got this email says it was written by Bill Cosby I dont know but I like it and thought id pass it along....





Bill Cosby says:
> >
> > I HAVE DECIDED TO BECOME A WRITE-IN CANDIDATE.
> > HERE IS MY PLATFORM:
> >
> > (1) 'Press 1 for English' is immediately banned.
> English is the official language; speak it or wait at the
> border until you can.
> >
> > (2) We will immediately go into a two year
> isolationist posture to straighten out the country's
> attitude. NO imports, no exports. We will use the
> 'Wal-Mart 's policy, 'If we ain't got it, you don't need
> it.'
> >
> > (3) When imports are allowed, there will be a 100%
> import tax on it...
> >
> > (4) All retired military personnel will be required to
> man one of our many observation towers on the southern
> border (six month tour). They will be under strict orders
> not to fire on SOUTHBOUND aliens.
> >
> > (5) Social security will immediately return to its
> original state. If you didn't put nuttin in, you ain't
> getting nuttin out. The president nor any other politician
> will be able to touch it.
> >
> >
> > (6) Welfare - Checks will be handed out on Fridays at
> the end of the 40 hour school week and the successful
> completion of urinalysis and a passing grade.
> >
> > (7) Professional Athletes--Steroids.. The FIRST time
> you check positive you're banned for life.
> >
> > (8) Crime - We will adopt the Turkish method, the
> first time you steal, you lose your right hand. There is no
> more life sentences. If convicted of murder, you will be put
> to death by the same method you chose for your victim; gun,
> knife, strangulation, etc.
> >
> > (9) One export will be allowed, Wheat. The world needs
> to eat. A bushel of wheat will be the exact price of a
> barrel of oil.
> >
> > (10) All foreign aid using American taxpayer money
> will immediately cease, and the saved money will pay off the
> national debt and ultimately lower taxes. When disasters
> occur around the world, we'll ask the American people if
> they want to donate to a disaster fund, and each citizen can
> make the decision whether it's a worthy cause.
> >
> > (11) The Pledge of Allegiance will be said every day
> at school and every day in Congress...
> >
> > (12) The National Anthem will be played at all
> appropriate ceremonies, sporting events, outings, etc.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > The country was founded on certain principals - let's
> get back to them!
> > GOD BLESS AMERICA .
> >
> >
> > Bill Cosby

I guess you don't know this, but there's a site called Snopes. If you think someone is sending you dishonest e-mails you can check out the lies on that site. Bill Cosby did not write that letter - it's a hoax written by a liar and highly inappropriate.

I sure wouldn't like people putting my name on a controversial, political set of lies and then passing it aroung the internet, and I don't think Bill Cosby would like that either.

4Seasons
06-07-2009, 10:23 AM
The lady with the dogs might also be selling her food stamps to buy dog food, alcohol or cigarettes. I know in our state it's a plastic card now not the paper food stamps, but somehow people get around everything and sell the funds for cash.
I know someone who has a live-in boyfriend who doesn't have a steady job so she sent him to apply for food stamps and utility funds. So basically since he is unemployed (usually works for cash) and homeless (although he lives with the girlfriend) he qualified! But he parties every weekend and blows all his money.
I don't have a problem with people getting assistance who really need it but than it's people like this that are taking advantage and when someone who really needs it applies they are denied. And these people like this healthy 30something year old that I know, doesn't feel sorry for taking the bread and butter from someone who actually can use it!

My mother in law had someone approach her at the grocery store a couple months back about this!! She said it seemed odd because this lady was kind of pacing one section of the store looking in people's carts as they went by. She watched my MIL go by, then came up to her and said "I need help, I need cash. I will buy all the groceries in your cart with my card if you give me $50 cash". My MIL is a very kind hearted person (plus a bit nieve as well) and she said no but said she felt bad about it because this lady seemed desperate.
I explained to her what was this lady was doing was welfare fraud so don't feel bad.
Apparently she talked someone into it because as my MIL was loading her groceries in the car the lady was walking out with a guy who had a cart of groceries.

Lovin' Disney
06-07-2009, 11:04 AM
Same thing here in Michigan. I work at a grocery store and the food stamps come on a plastic card that looks and swipes like a debit card.

We have a community college in town and at the beginning of the school year, about 25 percent of the college-aged kids that came through my line had the food stamp card.

Often during the school year I would hear the kids saying to their friends "You have to get one of these! It pays for all your food!" They don't grasp the concept that the money comes from the taxpayers. They just figure since they moved here to go to college and don't have jobs, they can just get the card to have their food paid for every month. If the state went back to using paper food stamps, they wouldn't be caught dead using those. But since it looks and acts just like a debit card, there is no shame in it.

So by the end of the school year, about 80 percent were using the food stamp card to buy groceries.

I am all for people who can't work and need assistance....disabled, mentally ill, etc. But I HATE when people work the system and won't work.

Another example....there is a teacher at my children's school who has been there for at least a couple of decades, so I'm sure she makes a decent salary. However, she gets food stamps and has a handicapped sticker for the window of her BRAND NEW VW BUG for when it's convenient to use it (like at my store, but not at school). There is nothing wrong with her, and when her husband is in shopping, he seems perfectly able-bodied as well. I hate when people are like this because it ruins it for the honest people!!

Inigo
06-07-2009, 11:38 AM
Landlords are in charge of insurance if there are dogs pitbulls most rental properties they are not allowed as per the insurance companys

All renters also need rental insurance to cover the cost of any damages or injuries caused on the property. If the landlord or the landlord's insurance has to pay as a result of a dog bite, the renter will get sued by the landlord or the insurance for those costs under subrogation.

(psst...BrooklynHeights, please use puncuation.)

ruadisneyfan2
06-07-2009, 12:20 PM
Same thing here in Michigan. I work at a grocery store and the food stamps come on a plastic card that looks and swipes like a debit card.

We have a community college in town and at the beginning of the school year, about 25 percent of the college-aged kids that came through my line had the food stamp card.

Often during the school year I would hear the kids saying to their friends "You have to get one of these! It pays for all your food!" They don't grasp the concept that the money comes from the taxpayers. They just figure since they moved here to go to college and don't have jobs, they can just get the card to have their food paid for every month. If the state went back to using paper food stamps, they wouldn't be caught dead using those. But since it looks and acts just like a debit card, there is no shame in it.

So by the end of the school year, about 80 percent were using the food stamp card to buy groceries.

I am all for people who can't work and need assistance....disabled, mentally ill, etc. But I HATE when people work the system and won't work.

Another example....there is a teacher at my children's school who has been there for at least a couple of decades, so I'm sure she makes a decent salary. However, she gets food stamps and has a handicapped sticker for the window of her BRAND NEW VW BUG for when it's convenient to use it (like at my store, but not at school). There is nothing wrong with her, and when her husband is in shopping, he seems perfectly able-bodied as well. I hate when people are like this because it ruins it for the honest people!!


Not all disabilities are obvious. One may have a heart condition and not able to walk long distances. I'm not defending those that abuse the system but just saying.
I can't explain in a million years how a teacher should qualify for food stamps. Our teachers here make $60-75K per year and that's with 12+ weeks off when you include summer, Christmas and Easter. Not that I'd want the job though. I think teachers should get paid well. :goodvibes

eliza61
06-07-2009, 12:58 PM
It is an unfortunate side effect of society. There will always be people who feel the need to scam. From the Bernie Madoffs of the world to your neighbor.

anewmac
06-07-2009, 01:45 PM
as always a few bad apples ruin it for the rest that really need it.

funnygarcia
06-07-2009, 04:23 PM
I can't explain in a million years how a teacher should qualify for food stamps. Our teachers here make $60-75K per year and that's with 12+ weeks off when you include summer, Christmas and Easter. Not that I'd want the job though. I think teachers should get paid well. :goodvibes


$60 -75 K ???
:lmao::lmao::rotfl2::rotfl2::rotfl2:

You must be joking.....
Beginning teachers on average earn $30,000 to $40,000 a year depending on geographical location, local economy, etc.
If the teacher is a single earner for the household.. I can see how he/she may qualify for food stamps. Maybe not if that person has been working for "decades", it takes time and master degree level courses to see the higher income brackets.

http://www.nea.org/home/2197.htm
http://www.nea.org/home/ns/20620.htm
http://www.aft.org/salary/2007/map.htm

Now if that person wasn't a fully qualified teacher, maybe he/she is is a support person (ESP) then uhh yeah they would need food stamps if they were the primary wage earner in the family.

http://www.nea.org/home/13566.htm

Many ESPs only work part time. I read a news article in Star Tribune a few years ago, an ESP had to PAY the district for her last paycheck of the school year... her health insurance cost exceeded her measely salary.

dennise
06-07-2009, 06:43 PM
I live in Canada and we run into the same thing. Very frustrating, when you drive to work and see these free loaders sitting outside smoking and us fools paying for it.

Leader of the Club
06-07-2009, 07:22 PM
Recently, I was sitting my local dealership getting my routine oil change. there were two ladies in the waiting room with me talking about their public assistance.

I was so intrigued by their conversation that I couldn't even read the book I had brought.

One lady was complaining that when she and her husband married, their food stamps didn't increase, but decreased. They only receive $353 for two people to eat on for the entire month! :scared1:

Do you have any idea what I could do with $353 a month for food! Well, ya all probably do :rotfl:.

I went in to work and told my boss that I was quitting and getting public assistance, but he wouldn't let me. :lmao:

silmarg
06-07-2009, 10:00 PM
$60 -75 K ???
:lmao::lmao::rotfl2::rotfl2::rotfl2:

You must be joking.....
Beginning teachers on average earn $30,000 to $40,000 a year depending on geographical location, local economy, etc.
If the teacher is a single earner for the household.. I can see how he/she may qualify for food stamps. Maybe not if that person has been working for "decades", it takes time and master degree level courses to see the higher income brackets.

http://www.nea.org/home/2197.htm
http://www.nea.org/home/ns/20620.htm
http://www.aft.org/salary/2007/map.htm

Now if that person wasn't a fully qualified teacher, maybe he/she is is a support person (ESP) then uhh yeah they would need food stamps if they were the primary wage earner in the family.

http://www.nea.org/home/13566.htm

Many ESPs only work part time. I read a news article in Star Tribune a few years ago, an ESP had to PAY the district for her last paycheck of the school year... her health insurance cost exceeded her measely salary.

I dont want to take this post off course, but in my district the starting salary for a teacher is $48k and the average salary is $97k. We have teachers making $150k (there are not administrators - just long tenured teachers). And these numbers do not include their very generous benefits.

We do have excellent schools, but the teachers are making a fantastic salary and they get retiree benefits that people in the private sector could only dream about.

tasha99
06-08-2009, 12:01 AM
Same thing here in Michigan. I work at a grocery store and the food stamps come on a plastic card that looks and swipes like a debit card.

We have a community college in town and at the beginning of the school year, about 25 percent of the college-aged kids that came through my line had the food stamp card.

Often during the school year I would hear the kids saying to their friends "You have to get one of these! It pays for all your food!" They don't grasp the concept that the money comes from the taxpayers. They just figure since they moved here to go to college and don't have jobs, they can just get the card to have their food paid for every month. If the state went back to using paper food stamps, they wouldn't be caught dead using those. But since it looks and acts just like a debit card, there is no shame in it.

So by the end of the school year, about 80 percent were using the food stamp card to buy groceries.

I am all for people who can't work and need assistance....disabled, mentally ill, etc. But I HATE when people work the system and won't work.

Another example....there is a teacher at my children's school who has been there for at least a couple of decades, so I'm sure she makes a decent salary. However, she gets food stamps and has a handicapped sticker for the window of her BRAND NEW VW BUG for when it's convenient to use it (like at my store, but not at school). There is nothing wrong with her, and when her husband is in shopping, he seems perfectly able-bodied as well. I hate when people are like this because it ruins it for the honest people!!

I don't have a problem with people in college using food stamps. If they meet the guidelines, they might as well. I work part time and go to school full time, and I often qualify for food stamps. I'm on-off, because when school is in session, I can't get the hours in that I can during other months (December break I didn't qualify, June I won't, but July I probably will since I'll have class from 9 to 5 every day etc.) I'm quitting my job at the end of September because my grad school is 17 credits a term (9 is full time). I'm overloaded as it is, but once I start having my own clients, keeping even a part time job will be very difficult.

As for the placards, you have no idea what someone else's disability is. I had a friend years ago who got hassled about this all the time. She had an artificial leg, but people couldn't tell. I swear I wished she would just remove it and beat some of the judgmental jerks she encountered over the head with it! She had food stamps, btw, because we as a nation don't pay a lot to enlisted military (her husband was an E-5).

To me, there's a big difference between milking the system and not working vs. doing what you can. I'm ex military and an ex military wife, and you would be shocked at how many soldiers qualify for food stamps (or at least they did in the 90's). I guess most dissers don't see it that way, but I think using food stamps and working or going to school isn't the same as just staying home. Same for daycare (esp. for single moms with very young children--I'd rather see them work with some daycare assistance than be unable to work because their daycare was more than their salary). I also hope that people using food stamps in college will graduate and make more money so that in the future, they can help the next person. :confused3

Colleen27
06-08-2009, 05:27 AM
I can't explain in a million years how a teacher should qualify for food stamps. Our teachers here make $60-75K per year and that's with 12+ weeks off when you include summer, Christmas and Easter. Not that I'd want the job though. I think teachers should get paid well. :goodvibes

Here, it is easily possible - teachers with just a bachelors start in the mid-20s in my district. I have a friend who was a long-time SAHM, who went into teaching as a second career when her husband left. With 3 kids, I'm sure she qualified for food stamps for many years before a teacher's salary exceeded the income limits.

The other thing about handicapped stickers - you don't actually know who has the disability, just that they ride primarily in that car. I have a friend who has one because of her daughter, and I had one on my car for years when I was the one taking my grandmother shopping, to doctors' appointments, etc. Eventually we got a hang-tag in place of a permanent sticker, but oh boy was that a headache - my grandmother was permanently disabled, so the DMV only wanted to issue a permanent tag. :confused3 But since my grandmother didn't drive, it made more sense to have the portable temporary-type tag so that whoever was helping her could have it.

My experiences with my grandmother reminded me not to judge situations I know nothing about. We never applied for food stamps for her but she would have qualified, and if we had I'd have been shopping on her behalf. And as I said I had her handicapped tag because she didn't drive. So I can relate to how someone who needs neither could end up having both.

leahjade
06-08-2009, 07:26 AM
Our district posts the hiring salaries in the newspaper for the taxpayer "right to know" act and kids right out of college are making $48,000 for elementary and $55,000 for secondary ed, so I can imagine the salaries of teachers with 20 years experience and a master's degree!

tina95
06-08-2009, 08:28 AM
I don't have a problem with people in college using food stamps. If they meet the guidelines, they might as well. I work part time and go to school full time, and I often qualify for food stamps. I'm on-off, because when school is in session, I can't get the hours in that I can during other months (December break I didn't qualify, June I won't, but July I probably will since I'll have class from 9 to 5 every day etc.) I'm quitting my job at the end of September because my grad school is 17 credits a term (9 is full time). I'm overloaded as it is, but once I start having my own clients, keeping even a part time job will be very difficult.

As for the placards, you have no idea what someone else's disability is. I had a friend years ago who got hassled about this all the time. She had an artificial leg, but people couldn't tell. I swear I wished she would just remove it and beat some of the judgmental jerks she encountered over the head with it! She had food stamps, btw, because we as a nation don't pay a lot to enlisted military (her husband was an E-5).

To me, there's a big difference between milking the system and not working vs. doing what you can. I'm ex military and an ex military wife, and you would be shocked at how many soldiers qualify for food stamps (or at least they did in the 90's). I guess most dissers don't see it that way, but I think using food stamps and working or going to school isn't the same as just staying home. Same for daycare (esp. for single moms with very young children--I'd rather see them work with some daycare assistance than be unable to work because their daycare was more than their salary). I also hope that people using food stamps in college will graduate and make more money so that in the future, they can help the next person. :confused3



My husband and I were both in the military and his oldest son is in the Army now. I just want to say that people in the military are not paid as badly as people think. How many people with no education can say that they have $2600 per month after they pay thier rent, water, electric, and all medical bills. This is for an E-4 with 4 years time in service. He also get all Federal holidays off and 30 day paid vacation per year. There are many other benifits as well college, cheaper food and shopping on base, cheaper daycare and recreation on base, etc. So, while they are not making a killing, my son is doing better than most his age with a wife and kids.

MKCP5
06-08-2009, 08:42 AM
I dont want to take this post off course, but in my district the starting salary for a teacher is $48k and the average salary is $97k. We have teachers making $150k (there are not administrators - just long tenured teachers). And these numbers do not include their very generous benefits.

We do have excellent schools, but the teachers are making a fantastic salary and they get retiree benefits that people in the private sector could only dream about.


Clearly I need to move to Westchester County, NY!!!!!!! DH has been teaching for 10 years, and is about 1/2 way to his Master's degree (which we pay for as the school has no tuition reimbursement program) and makes 48K a year. He gets health isurance which we contribute a good chunk to, no dental, HAS to pay union dues (even though he did not want to be in the union--they said if you choose not to be you have to pay the same amount as union dues to opt out!!:scared1:) and HAS to contribute a mandatory 11% of his income to teacher pension. We have thousands in school loans for him which have to be paid every month.

48K may sound like alot to some of you but you probably do not live in an area where the average home price is $300K for a basic starter ranch.

I can't imagine a school district paying a teacher 150K a year. The superintendents in this area don't touch that kiind of salary. I know that actually because yesterdays paper listed all their salaries!!!

And yes, he does get 8 weeks off this summer (school ends June 25 and starts Aug 25) but 2 of those will be spent in classes to work towards his masters and the other 5 will be spent working a second job for extra money. We're saving one week for our family!!!

So, although your district may be incredible well paid, I REALLY REALLY think the teachers there are in the minority to what teachers get nationwide

punkin
06-08-2009, 09:11 AM
Clearly I need to move to Westchester County, NY!!!!!!! DH has been teaching for 10 years, and is about 1/2 way to his Master's degree (which we pay for as the school has no tuition reimbursement program) and makes 48K a year. He gets health isurance which we contribute a good chunk to, no dental, HAS to pay union dues (even though he did not want to be in the union--they said if you choose not to be you have to pay the same amount as union dues to opt out!!:scared1:) and HAS to contribute a mandatory 11% of his income to teacher pension. We have thousands in school loans for him which have to be paid every month.

48K may sound like alot to some of you but you probably do not live in an area where the average home price is $300K for a basic starter ranch.

I can't imagine a school district paying a teacher 150K a year. The superintendents in this area don't touch that kiind of salary. I know that actually because yesterdays paper listed all their salaries!!!

And yes, he does get 8 weeks off this summer (school ends June 25 and starts Aug 25) but 2 of those will be spent in classes to work towards his masters and the other 5 will be spent working a second job for extra money. We're saving one week for our family!!!

So, although your district may be incredible well paid, I REALLY REALLY think the teachers there are in the minority to what teachers get nationwide

Just wanted to point out that in most areas of Westchester county you couldn't get a tear down shack for $300K. The cost of housing there is astronomical.

MKCP5
06-08-2009, 09:15 AM
Just wanted to point out that in most areas of Westchester county you couldn't get a tear down shack for $300K. The cost of housing there is astronomical.


I'm sure Hence the amazing salaries ;)

Inigo
06-08-2009, 09:30 AM
Clearly I need to move to Westchester County, NY!!!!!!! DH has been teaching for 10 years, and is about 1/2 way to his Master's degree (which we pay for as the school has no tuition reimbursement program) and makes 48K a year.

Here in IN, DH has 25 years experience, with a master's degree plus additional hours (which we paid for), and makes $58K. Of course our cost-of-living is lower than in Westchester County. You could buy a decent 1800 square foot ranch on 1/2 acre, with attached garage, for under $100K. Plus our property taxes, on the above home, are about $500 a year. Yeah, you read that right.

silmarg
06-08-2009, 10:32 AM
Here in IN, DH has 25 years experience, with a master's degree plus additional hours (which we paid for), and makes $58K. Of course our cost-of-living is lower than in Westchester County. You could buy a decent 1800 square foot ranch on 1/2 acre, with attached garage, for under $100K. Plus our property taxes, on the above home, are about $500 a year. Yeah, you read that right.

yeah.. cost of living is definitiely different here...

I live in 1800 sq ft on about 50x100. It would probably sell for $600k (even in this bad market) and has property taxes of around $14k (not a misprint... but that it whatcha pay when the teachers make six figures).

There are some folks that have bigger houses that pay 20, 30 or 40k in property taxes. Can you imagine? I have heard of one house that is in the 70s! Sort of puts a damper in my ever trading up!

Thank goodness I bought the place for a third of what its now worth.

lcrane
06-08-2009, 12:30 PM
Since he is also on Medicade that is what we have to apply for he is also on a spend down each month if we do not meet it then we are stuck with the bill, sorry about the SSD I ment Medicade and Medicare for his health insurance that is what we have to reaply for. He does not do Home Dialysis because of his blood pressure and he has passed out on the machine at DCI so for his him he goes in so that someone can watch him all of the time. He did not automatic qualify for his SSD because it start out with CHF then end stage renal. My husband would love to go back to work he worked since he was 16 so it was hard for him not to. All of his doctor have told him that he can not go back to work. We have been on the Kidney transplant list for 2 year.

Lisa

luvmy3jewels
06-08-2009, 02:15 PM
To the OP - if your neighbor's children have been diagnosed as severely emotionally disturbed, she may also be pulling in a Social Security check every month. When my mother taught, she had students whose parents were financially benefitting from having kids who misbehaved. They wouldn't discipline their kids because they wanted to make sure they would get that check every month. Of course those same kids are now in "crimewatch" in our local paper.....:mad: