Changing Dynamic of the Show

[bosox2001]

Frequent listener/reader but non-frequent poster, but I thought I'd weigh in on a trend I see developing with the show. Let me say that I love the Dis boards, I love the Dis Unplugged and I particularly love the cast of characters that make this site and podcast all that it is. It truly is a wonderful resource and source of entertainment for those of us that enjoy Disney.

Having said this, I have noticed that the show seems to be very slowly moving away from the nuts and bolts Disney planning content that defined its early days and more toward planning and promoting Dreams Unlimited Travel events. This thought struck me in a particular way after hearing this week's Housekeeping segment...chock full of events--great events by the way--that Dreams is offering.

Please don't mistaken me: I really love and will continue to love all that is the Dis Unplugged. But I do see a change in the dynamic of the show. And, Pete, I'm not trying to instigate a rant. Again, I love the show. But I do see changes occurring that others might be noticing too.

Thanks for all you do from those of us "quiet listeners."

[darth.mickey]

I have noticed a change too. But the Only change i have noticed is that the show keeps getting better and better ! I LOVE the fact that they are trying to bring the fans and Dis'ers closer and closer. I only wish i lived closer so i could attend them all. The Show ROCKS and is on the Up and Up in my opinion ! Keep up the GREAT work Team.

[wildeoscar]

It would seem that the show has slipped into the form of a long commercial. Times being what they are, having a ready made audience that is easily marketed to with events related to the Disboards is an opportunity that is difficult to pass up.

Something a lot of people seem to miss is that the Disboards are a privately owned for profit corporation. As we've seen in recent changes to disboards policies, or the past use of the profanity filter to **** anyone using terms or names of competitors, free speech is relative to the mood and discretion of the owners. It is an excellent marketing platform to those that want to express and share about WDW, are planning a vacation, or are looking for a travel agent. But only so long as what is marketed agrees with the owner's profit and loss sheet.

The dynamic changed very quickly when some were brought in that previously were known not to be fans of the theme parks nor of Disney in general. Some segments have become lack luster, and we hear news on Universal and/or random events in and around Orlando more so than about WDW. Put that together with the long list of upcoming travel events that while related to the podcast, are more self serving than informative and you have started to slide that slippery slope into 4am infomercial.

[Tissa]

I totally disagree with Wildeoscar, Not a long infomercial at all. It seems to me anyway, he has a beef with the boards in general. There are some cool events coming up and we all want to hear more about them. I don't care who they are sponsored by.

This weeks show had info on the treehouse villas, a review of the Turf Club and some very important info for parents about the baby care centers. Oh and of course the PSA about staying out of the darned lakes. Now if Julie's segment would have been introduced "sponsored by Dreams Unlimited Travel" or something like that then we would have reason to raise an eyebrow.

Anyway, I'm just one lister and that is my opinion. I'm very happy with the way things are.

[anonymousegirl]

Well, I have only been listening for a few months now so I cannot comment on the changing dynamic OP mentioned. Let me say however, that the show is awesome, the boards are a fabulous tool for friendship, information, and planning, and I love the community here.

I like that the show doesn't focus solely on WDW. For many visitors, there is a life beyond Disney and Orlando has a lot to offer. I think Pete and the crew have struck the right balance of information and humor between Disney and "the Other Stuff"

And tell me where else you could find a more dedicated bunch of people (see Podcast Cruise, the special ABD Southern California tour, the backstage tour, et al)

Do I mind that Dreams Unlimited is promoted? Heck NO! Pete and Walter have every right to promote their business. I have NEVER felt it was being pushed down my throat. I LOVE the fact that Pete acknowledges their business relationships with various hotels etc RIGHT UP FRONT.

OP, you may be right in saying the dynamic changed. I haven't listened long enough to agree or disagree. But I completely disagree with PP Wildeoscar statement that the show has become one long infomercial. You can always unsubscribe if you truly believe that.

[fightinfire21]

just my 2 cents here but if you don't like what you are hearing... don't listen;)

and, not trying to flame here, but I am very surprised to hear someone who won a FREE CRUISE complain about the people who gave it to them :confused3

If someone wants to give me a free cruise I will be grateful and won't complain if you put a plug in for your business.

My family owns a business and you gotta do what you gotta do to make a profit (obviously nothing unethical or illegal). Dreams is how the podcast team makes a living. Without Dreams they would not have the time or money to do the podcast, the site, these boards or GIVE AWAY ALL THE GREAT STUFF THEY GIVE AWAY!!!

Keep up the good work guys:thumbsup2

[WLfan]

Wow! Wildeoscar, I thought you were a huge fan of the show. I was kind of shocked to see that post was from you. :confused3

[firemanx]

People have asked for these events, and the crew has responded. Pete has already said they make no commision off of these get togethers. How much do you honestly think they made off the mousefest gathering? Nothing they used there own money. Same with the Podcast Cruise, and other such events!! Pete and John still need to look out for there business so why would they want you posting stuff from other sites? Would you go to a pizza place, and hang ads and articles from other pizza places? No, and I see nothing wrong with how hey run the boards. If you dont like it leave! If you dont like what you hear dont listen. Its a very simple thing. There are plenty of other sites that you could choose from. Also if you listen close enough The crew has gave shouts to other business. He mentions Len Testa and the unofficial guide a couple times and he is a major part of another podcast. I think some are overreacting to the promotions of DU. All these guys did was do what there fans asked and now have to relay the info on. Seems like there are unneeded grudges being held lately.

[AnninIowa]

I have often wondered why they don't use the show to promote their business MORE!! The DIS Boards and DIS Radio are very, very expensive for Dreams to provide, and they are provided to us all FREE! IMHO, they should shill for Dreams every chance they get...but they never have.

The Dreams events they have been talking about lately are due to demand; nearly 400 DISers went on the last cruise, and it looks like more will do the next one. Within minutes of starting that thread, people started posting like crazy. Same for the Universal cruise and CA tour.

I listen to a couple of other Disney podcasts and they HEAVILY promote their products without disclosing financial relationships. Pete and John ALWAYS mention financial relationships when talking about certain resorts.

Pete and John run a first-class operation here on the DIS and with Dreams and can do whatever they please with the show!!

[wildeoscar]

just my 2 cents here but if you don't like what you are hearing... don't listen;)

and, not trying to flame here, but I am very surprised to hear someone who won a FREE CRUISE complain about the people who gave it to them :confused3

If someone wants to give me a free cruise I will be grateful and won't complain if you put a plug in for your business.

My family owns a business and you gotta do what you gotta do to make a profit (obviously nothing unethical or illegal). Dreams is how the podcast team makes a living. Without Dreams they would not have the time or money to do the podcast, the site, these boards or GIVE AWAY ALL THE GREAT STUFF THEY GIVE AWAY!!!

Keep up the good work guys:thumbsup2

I have been critical of the show before, I'm sure I'll be critical again. Many are so supportive of Pete's rants about what he thinks Disney is getting wrong... how is it so different if I think the direction of the show feels like an infomercial for Dreams Travel?

Last week I found myself wondering when they would get to some content. I'll listen again this week. Still a fan. Enjoyed the cruise, even rebooked. This is a great group, we don't have to all agree on everything do we?

[WaltD4Me]

Wow! Wildeoscar, I thought you were a huge fan of the show. I was kind of shocked to see that post was from you. :confused3

Not that shocking. There has been noticeable tension for awhile.

All I can say is that I also disagree. I don't think the show is going down any slopes, slippery or otherwise and I think the Podcast trips/events that are being offered are a great opportunity for fans of show, the boards and Disney. I'm literally sick that I can't do the ABD California tour, but that sure doesn't mean I don't think they should promote it and don't hope that they do more so one day I can do one. The term "self serving" :rolleyes: has never crossed my mind and neither has informercial. I agree the dymanic has changed, but not in a bad way and it changed sadly because it had to, which to me is WAY better than no show at all.

[schoen]

I agree that the dynamic is changing a little bit. That is how things evolve though. I don't think that the extra long house keepings have necessarily cut into the quality of the segments. I just fast forward to the news when I don't care to hear the housekeeping items. I still get a good hour or so of good podcast time.

The podcast is a great forum for them to discuss dreams and dreams events. I REALLY don't think they make much money off of the events they plan. I think they are hoping that we will book our next vacation through them, or refer them to our friends who are planing vacations. This just makes good business sense. If you don't like those parts you can always fast forward, they usually last around 15 min or so.

Sometimes I listen to housekeeping, sometimes I don't. I think it is fine either way, right?

[3guysandagal]

Quite frankly I don't see any "infomercial" type of content at all.

Let's be realistic, how many times per show do you really hear the words "Dreams Unlimited Travel" :confused3

Unless of course it is Pete doing a disclosure before a segment.

I cant watch 12 minutes of television without being bombarded with 3 minutes of advertising.

A very entertaining, high class show.

Keep up the good work team! :thumbsup2

[jpeka65844]

I was reflecting today, during a station break on Dis Radio, that I've been listening to the show for almost exactly 3 years.

I was thinking about what the show's become and , (correct me if I'm wrong Roundtable), no way on earth, no way, no how, would the Roundtable have EVER anticipated that, 3 years ago over 400 people would sign up with them to cruise! And I could never have anticipated that I would feel such SORROW at not getting to go to ANY of the so far sponsored events! :sad2: This has been a journey for everyone on that podcast, new and old included and their listeners. How could it NOT change?

And in light of that, they have been steadily building a (may I say it?) RABID fan base and have been responding in kind to the demand that is out there to spend time together!

As a result of that, I WILL fork over my $$ to Dreams Unlimited to book travel. Pete's paying for part of his Qantas flight with what we just spent for a week at DL at GCH! :laughing: And I am GLAD to do it.

B/c DU and the Roundtable in particular are giving their fans a place to belong. You connect with people on that level, you are welcome to the riches that you may reap.

[daneenm]

I can see that the show has evolved. I guess we would not stick with it if it didn't. It would be pretty boring to hear the same planning tips repeated week after week.

When I first started listening, there were no events, so nothing to talk about in that space. However, the events are now just part of the natural progression and will be discussed now that they exist. People seem to really like them (I have not been to one yet) so I would expect them to keep happening, and being discussed, until people stop wanting them.

Not really sure why people are flaming the OP. It is his/her observation and it was stated repeatedly that they still love the show and just wanted to discuss the elements that seem different now. Doesn't seem at all like a slam to me.

Now, Oscar on the other hand...well let's just say I find your comments extreme and inflammatory. It makes me sad to hear that from you - who I followed anxiously along at home with Bob and Kevin during the night chase through Universal. Perhaps you should take the 'if you don't like what you are hearing, don't listen' comments to heart.

[Shasta]

First, I don't think that this is your concern but I would like to make a quick point that is relevant to your comments;

Everything changes. Few things in this world are static. When Bob died, this boards and Podcast changed, this is without debate. Was anyone's life the same a year ago as now?

As far as your direct comments to Dreams Unlimited go, I'd say that we are all getting a free service that is invaluable. Dream's Unlimited is a business and as a business HAS to make a profit or frankly, there will be no podcast.

I personally feel that there is nothing wrong with self promotion when you are supplying a service with a value such as the crew do, FOR FREE! (such as a concert I am sponsoring this weekend) I get credit through a verbal mention as well as print and radio coverage. This is the trade for my sponsorship dollars. What is unfair or unreasonable about that.

I'm sorry, I don't mean to be harsh but what you are complaining about is the basic cost of promotion. Do you think for a second that TV would survive without commercials.

In my opinion, the podcast crew has been very conservative with self promotion. I'd guess that the need of increasing it comes is equal to the drop in vacation travel as a whole. Heck, everyone, is working hard to keep their employees on payroll. What would you do in this situation?

[doctorhead]

i agree completely with wildeoscar. everyone who is criticizing him are missing the point. what he's saying is on point exactly. the show used to just be about disney, and occasionally pete would have to mention that he has a financial interest in Dreams Unlimited Travel. Now every show is we're doing this sponsored in part by Dreams Unlimited Travel and Swan & Dolphin and Gaylord Palms, etc. i don't think that it's bad that they give the fans trips and prizes, but it has become noticeable the amount that they do plug their sponsors now. reiterating - i am not saying that they shouldn't plug their stuff (they can do what they want), but it has become more often that they are promoting their stuff. that can't be denied.

ps - their plugs do work. for the trip we are currently on, we purchased $99 7 day universal tickets through Dreams Unlimited.

[wdwfreeksince88]

I might be wrong but I don't think I have heard the word sponsored and dreams unlimited travel in the same sentence.(Sorry if I am mistaken on that) And wouldn't it only be an infomercial if they were making a profit off these events and trips? If I remember Pete has very rarely charged for any of these(such as the toy story meet last December which was free to dis'ers and dreams clients) and the newer meets and trips have only been charged a little just so he can try to cover a little of his cost. The show goes to great lengths to bring people closer together and have experiences that other wise a lot of us would not ever get. Just look at the stuff they did for the people on the podcast cruise and some of the stuff they have planned for the future such as taking people to the Disney archives. Not just anybody would do that. The gang goes to a lot of trouble for people like us and we should all appreciate it or someday they might not do it anymore. So for all they do for us if Pete decides to put a full commercial for Dreams Unlimited travel into every podcast then so be it, I will still listen. And as a previous poster had mentioned if you don't like then don't listen.

[challer]

WO, I'll go on the record and say I think I understand what you're feeling, and you have every right to share it, and I'm glad you did. Ever since the Podcast Cruise was coming closer & closer through now, there has been alot of time dedicated to the DIS trips/tours/cruise/etc. As a person who would absolutely love to go on any one of these but can't, it does hurt to hear about all these things happening and being planned. Hopefully, as the past cruise becomes more of a memory, the 'cast will get "back to business." But since you apparently won a cruise, it should bother me more than it bothers you...

[WaltD4Me]

i agree completely with wildeoscar. everyone who is criticizing him are missing the point. what he's saying is on point exactly. the show used to just be about disney, and occasionally pete would have to mention that he has a financial interest in Dreams Unlimited Travel. Now every show is we're doing this sponsored in part by Dreams Unlimited Travel and Swan & Dolphin and Gaylord Palms, etc. i don't think that it's bad that they give the fans trips and prizes, but it has become noticeable the amount that they do plug their sponsors now. reiterating - i am not saying that they shouldn't plug their stuff (they can do what they want), but it has become more often that they are promoting their stuff. that can't be denied.

ps - their plugs do work. for the trip we are currently on, we purchased $99 7 day universal tickets through Dreams Unlimited.

I think it is you who are missing the point. I do not find it to be "on point" at all to say the show is self serving, that there is no content or that it is becoming a long infommerical. I think those are the things people are taking issue with. I can honestly say I don't find any of those things to be true or on point. Of course people are entitled to their own opinions, but we who disagree are not missing the point.

[BriarRosie]

Let's put things into perspective.

If you sample some of the biggest Disney podcasts out there right now, you'll find that the majority of them will have a travel sponsor, plugged at least once during their shows.

Many shows also ask for donations outright to cover costs of running their shows. Some ask via Paypal; others will ask you to use "click through" ads if you're buying from Amazon, for example.

Do I feel that these sponsorship plugs are the majority of these shows as well as the DIS podcast? Absolutely not. Every podcast I listen to does have decent show content. There's a variety of podcasts out there that suit almost every niche. That's why I don't just listen to one podcast, but several that suit my interests.

And for what it's worth, since travel agents don't charge clients for their services, I don't see what the big deal is. There's no fleecing going on. No snake oil. If anything, the travel relationships benefit those who wish to participate in fun things as a community.

And if I don't want to use the travel services, I can still participate by doing what I'm doing now....expressing my thoughts in a forum. DIS meets don't necessarily have to include travel, either. I've done a few Chicago area meets, which didn't provide the podcast team with any monetary benefit.

[darth.mickey]

DIS-UNPLUGGED PODCAST RULES !! Dont like the way the show is anymore? create your own and lets see how many people follow you ! This show is the best out there, and i think they do a great job, and they BARELY promote anything compared to some of the other podcasts out there. Some of the others have actual commercials in the middle. How do you think this website and these podcasts are possible anyways? they are not free to maintain !! Quit beating up on Pete and the Crew, he has enough stress in this crazy economy as it is, give the guy a break, he does a D+&M good job, all this considered !! Pete Warner is PUNK ROCK in my book ! whoo hoo !! haha

[Chairman Clench]

While I can see the OP's point, I feel the nuts and bolts of the show has always been the reviews (either dining, attraction, event, or resort) and the opinions. The promotion also bothers me very little because, as stated before, most podcasts I listen to have a lot of promotion with them. And looking at it from a Disney fan perspective, many of us think that the 1980's EPCOT Center is the pinnacle of WDW history. And all of those great attractions in Future World all were heavily sponsored and that didn't keep them from being so great.

[WebmasterJohn]

While I usually stay out of these threads, I feel the need to get involved in this one.

OP - I certainly hear your concerns and respect your opinions but I have to say that couldn't disagree with you more.

This past weeks show was as close to a 'regular' show as we've had in a while. We did the news, rapid fires and three full segments all about WDW and trip planning. We did have an extended housekeeping segment but only because it was necessary. Housekeeping was developed specifically to handle all of those 'non-trip planning items' we need to cover. Things like corrections, announcements, and prize giveaways.

Yes, this past show we did have a lot of information about upcoming trips/meets that Dreams Unlimited Travel will be sponsoring. We try to include this type of information mostly in response to people asking for updates on these events. When we don't talk about them or give details people get worried - when we do others get upset - talk about a no-win situation.

Dreams Unlimited Travel is sponsoring/underwriting a great many upcoming events....and I am very thankful we are in a position to do so. As some have pointed out already DU has not made a dime on any event/trip that has happened yet - and it is unlikely we will do so in the near future as well.

The Tour Story Mania event at last years Mousefest cost Pete and I personally in excess of $10,000. We were luckly to have other corporate sponsors kick in so we could inivite more people but at the end of the day this was a tremendous amount of money out of our pocket. No regrets and no gripes here...it was a blast and I was happy we could provide this event as a 'Thank You' to our listeners.

I am still tallying up the numbers but it looks like the first podcast cruise is going to wind up costing us about the same. While we did make commissions on the sale of staterooms we gave more than that back in the form of shipboard credits, in-room gifts, parties, free drinks and seminars (not too mention the costs charged by DCL for use of venues and equipment). In addition we gave away several staterooms on that cruise...some of which I'm regretting right about now.

We made no money on the webinar we recently held with the Disney Institute.

We will make commissions on the Disneyland Adventures by Disney trip but Pete is already coming up with some creative and cool ways to spend that on those traveling with us. I'm sure by the time that's over we will be in the red on that trip as well.

Plans for DIS-A_Palooza are in still in the works but I'm sure that will be a huge loss for us as well.

I'm hoping Pocast Cruise 2.0 will be a money maker for us as we have some HUGE plans for 3.0 already...but knowing us we'll come up with something to add to that cruise that will put us in the red.

Of course these events, and the podcast itself, have and will generate ancillary revenue for us but to say our talking about them on the show is a commercial, or the show itself is turning into an informercial, is just plain insulting. We make no secret of the fact that Pete and I are part owners in Dreams Unlimited Travel and that revenue allows us to pay the bills, salaries and allow us capital for cool events.

As far as those comments about our new team members negatively impacting the podcast....I take great offense with this. I think that each new person adds a voice and perspective that helps round out our discussions. I personally learn something new on every show from these folks.

However, I think we hit on the underlying issue Rex is having with the DIS and the podcast lately. It is my opinion that he feels like he should be on the show and have a job with the DIS/podcast and this is what's leading to his negative comments.

Rex, back when you said we 'jumped the shark' a while ago, that was the week we announced Teresa was joining the show. This week we announce that Leah is our newest team member and you have another negative/snarky comment about the direction of the show.

As a matter of fact I recall our first meeting at Bob's memorial service at the Gaylord Palms where you told Kevin and I that you were disappointed that Pete wasn't there. I thought it was because you really wanted to meet him but you went on to say you thought for sure Pete would hire you on the spot to replace Bob.

I think the 'slippery slope' here is when hidden agendas are used to conceal true intentions.

I am proud that the podcast has always been an open and honest discussion about everything in our lives. From personal opinions on Disney, to our personal lives, to our business relationships - we've always shared everything with our listeners.

[darth.mickey]

someone just got PWNED.

[darth.mickey]

As a long time lurker / listener, i must say it seems someone every few weeks MUST try and get Pete Riled up. The poor guy does a freaking OUTSTANDING job but someone ALWAYS has to come up with some post busting his **&^$ to try and get a reaction out of him or other podcast crew. I hope somehow he doesn't even see this thread so it doesn't cause him anymore unneeded stress. I cant imagine trying to monitor these boards, keep a website top notch, run a LARGE travel business and plan all sorts of great trips for us. He has a pretty full plate, im sure he doesnt need this extra stress. Oh well, sometimes ya just cant win in this life...

[Tonya2426]

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[tinkbutt]

John said it well!!

I love the podcast and the boards yes I was bitter that I wasn't on the podcast cruise but I just lessened the amount of time I spent here till it was over. I didn't take it out on anyone! Now here I am in full swing trying to get on the next ship;)
PETE and Podcast team YOU ARE AWESOME!!!




Since it is late and Jen is presumably asleep - anyone for cake?????? :goodvibes:goodvibes:goodvibes

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Or maybe you prefer pie?????? :goodvibes:goodvibes:goodvibes

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Tonya I'll have a slice as long as its CHOCOLATE!!!!:goodvibes

[darth.mickey]

Frequent listener/reader but non-frequent poster, but I thought I'd weigh in on a trend I see developing with the show. Let me say that I love the Dis boards, I love the Dis Unplugged and I particularly love the cast of characters that make this site and podcast all that it is. It truly is a wonderful resource and source of entertainment for those of us that enjoy Disney.

Having said this, I have noticed that the show seems to be very slowly moving away from the nuts and bolts Disney planning content that defined its early days and more toward planning and promoting Dreams Unlimited Travel events. This thought struck me in a particular way after hearing this week's Housekeeping segment...chock full of events--great events by the way--that Dreams is offering.

Please don't mistaken me: I really love and will continue to love all that is the Dis Unplugged. But I do see a change in the dynamic of the show. And, Pete, I'm not trying to instigate a rant. Again, I love the show. But I do see changes occurring that others might be noticing too.

Thanks for all you do from those of us "quiet listeners."

John said it well!!

I love the podcast and the boards yes I was bitter that I wasn't on the podcast cruise but I just lessened the amount of time I spent here till it was over. I didn't take it out on anyone! Now here I am in full swing trying to get on the next ship;)
PETE and Podcast team YOU ARE AWESOME!!!







Tonya I'll have a slice as long as its CHOCOLATE!!!!:goodvibes
im with you, i was VERY jealous i could not go on the last cruise, but hearing about it on here and on the podcast made me SO excited, me and my girlfriend cant wait to sign up for the next one. Its SO far away, but that gives us extra time to save ! i cant wait to meet everyone !

[SwellmanJ]

Wow. That was a great rebuttal from John.

I am a lurker too, but to claim that any of the fantastic members of the DIS Unplugged team is a hinderance to the show rather than the great addition they are made me speak up.

And I am not the person who only sees the good in a situation, there are, as in everything, negatives with the show. The seemingly most enjoyable and fulfilling elements of the show are those excursions like The Podcast Cruise that cost a good amount of money. On the show listeners must be reminded of the opportunities they will miss out on, and the money they would have to spend to be a part of it. Pete and John use Dreams as a vehicle to make that cost lower, however, as evidenced by the enormous discounts available when booking the cruise, and when signing up for activities like the upcoming Disneyland trip. The negatives are solely money-related. Yet these negatives are necessary, and as mentioned earlier in the thread, are made that much more necessary due to the current economy.

As the housekeeping segment has grown in length, as the list of activities supplementary to the Podcast grows, so too did they add various other segments. Julie's Store Tours. Kevin with a restaurant review, eyeballs allowing, every show. Allowing for a call-in show. Allowing for Disneyland-specific shows. The list goes on, and the quality of content is as consistent as ever.

They have perfected and continued to deliver on a formula, which boils down to giving the listeners enjoyable content. That is to say, the Podcast has no rules written down as to how the show will be run so long as the majority of listeners (impeding Oscar it seems) are happy. Thus, it will change, often for the better. The people who drive that change are those who give their voice to these boards. Although the show has taken on an attitude of "spend your travel money with a company whose owners provides you with an outlet for a passion previously held inside, as well as opportunities to meet fellow Disney geeks and party with them," I will certainly not complain about it.

I am grateful Dreams is around, and am happy every time it is plugged. It is reassuring to know that such an organization exists, one that simplifies the process of making our vacation dreams come true. One that gives their product away for free to lucky people. One that allows for and I find validates a Disney obsession. It is in no way self-serving, rather, at the core of Dreams' business model is the idea of altruism. "The belief in or practice of disinterested and selfless concern for the well-being of others." They take it upon themselves to bring Disney fans with possibilities never before experienced or thought possible.

Pete & the DIS team - you do an unquestionably fantastic job, keep it up.

They do it better than Disney themselves, who have only begun to give their fans an official place to profess their love for the mouse.

We must trust in Pete's, and all the members' decisions, as they have a perfect track record so far.

[disneynutz]

There is a easy fix, move sponsored events from housekeeping to sponsored or special events. :thumbsup2

I for one, don't mind a commercial tie in to Dreams and I think that they should spotlight a Dreams promo every episode. I will bet that many listeners don't even know what Dreams has to offer.

I do have one request. I would like to hear Julie make the prize announcements. She has a beautiful voice, not that I don't like Pete's voice, I do, but there's something about Julie's. :cloud9:

[luke]

This past weeks show was as close to a 'regular' show as we've had in a while. We did the news, rapid fires and three full segments all about WDW and trip planning. We did have an extended housekeeping segment but only because it was necessary. Housekeeping was developed specifically to handle all of those 'non-trip planning items' we need to cover. Things like corrections, announcements, and prize giveaways.



This is it for me.
I was so happy when I heard what was on this week's show. Not that previous shows weren't as entertaining as ever, but as one of many non-cruisers I kinda felt "left out" when the focus was (unsurprisingly) on the cruise over recent weeks.

Plus Kevin's dining reviews are my favourite segment so :cool1::cool1:

:goodvibes

[Renysmom]

:worship: :worship: :worship: John... well said!!!

[k5jmh]

I love the PC, and I also realize that the equipment, prizes, time, all of the trips to the parks for research, events, and Telephone lines, all cost money to produce the content for the show. These folks provide a wonderful and free (to us, the DIS Community) environment for us to play in but, someone has to pay for it all. I have no problem with plugs and or DUT sponsered events. Pete and John can not do Podcasts and the boards from a cardboard box. The amount of promotion is minimal compared to the amount of money that is poured into the podcast.

The other thing everyone must remember is that coming up with new content is not easy. Pete and John have to keep things new and fresh or no one would listen. Take the e-mail show as an example, you can not read the same questions every week. New content=more money to produce. So folks, either pony-up on the site sponsership or let them do their thing(s). This is a business that has sprung out of love for the Disney product. More power to the "team."

Thanks guys! Ya'll do great work. Remember folks, nothing in life is free!

[wishspirit]

As someone who did not go on the cruise, but would of loved to I will say this:
People shouldn't conceal the fact they had fun at a party just because others can't go. I love hearing all the stories and updates about the cruise even though I couldn't go, I got excited for others knowing that maybe one day it will be me!

I think the podcasts have got better and better, they are more interactive than ever! They have so many new and different perspectives! I love all the cast of characters, and they all add to it!

Podcasts need a way to run, some have advertising, some sell their old podcasts on itunes. I am more than happy for Pete and the gang to mention Dreams, not only as they are a fantastic company, but a generous one. It is not a long advert, but rather a long list of showing how much they care, especially with the new potential July cruise, so those who are stuck in term times can make it!

These guys have created a family here, yes we are going to squabble like all good families, but it is built of strong friendships and love. I don't know what I'd do without the Dis, and for everything you do I am ultimately grateful! Thank you so much!

[IWISHFORDISNEY]

WOW. All I want to say is thank you team. Since you do this for us for FREE. I dont know why anyone would complain. I love the new dynamics and I dont think it in any way takes away from what it was with Bob. Life changes and things change. I for one love the new offerings. It gives me a way to meet up with long time friends on the board. Such as the dolewhip meet I attended on 4/28. OK off my soapbox. Thanks again team our family loves the show. Great reply John.:idea: Now I understand a bit more.

[cocowum]

WOW. All I want to say is thank you team. Since you do this for us for FREE. I dont know why anyone would complain. I love the new dynamics and I dont think it in any way takes away from what it was with Bob. Life changes and things change. I for one love the new offerings. It gives me a way to meet up with long time friends on the board. Such as the dolewhip meet I attended on 4/28. OK off my soapbox. Thanks again team our family loves the show. Great reply John.:idea: Now I understand a bit more.

I want to say I agree completely. It amazes me how people can just take, take, take and then complain about what they are given! I have more to say but I'm already late for work. I will be back soon!

Thanks for all you do podcast team and please know that the majority of us do appreciate it!

[doctorhead]

it's funny how Pete himself says that he loves Disney but he will be the first to point out when he doesn't like something or doesn't agree. When Oscar (who i'm sure loves disney and is obviously a fan of the podcast) posts something he's noticed about the podcast, he gets attacked. it seems like most people on here are like the disney fans pete makes fun of - Disney can do no wrong.
i love the podcast. i listen every week. i don't think Oscar worded his opinion in the nicest way, but i do agree that there is more mention of Dreams Unlimited, etc now than for example last year. it all began with the Mousefest Meet. you can see for yourself if you listen to the podcast where Pete says, "I don't usually do this, but since the sponsors really stepped up with paying for the meet, i'm going to plug them more." i'm not saying it's good or bad. i'm just saying that it happens. that's all. i don't need anyone to write and say that i'm a bad person for noticing this.

[teskak]

I vote for the Podcast and I vote for John. Any more diplomatic and he could be a politician (note that is not a political comment, so please do not give points).

I was taught that all feedback is valuable IF it is given out of disinterest or a suggestion for change - but not when it is angling to "get" something - kinda like those who complain to Disney and want their travel comped because there are crowds. HOWEVER this is a 'public' board owned by the illustrious Mr Werner and logging that sort of complaint in public and trying to get others to chime in is not in good taste.

If there are areas of "constructive" criticism, it should be made in private, not on the message board.

I would much prefer to hear of the magnicent things organised by Dreams, that in all likelihood I cannot participate in, than have to listen to the waffle of other broadcasters who are either sucking on the teat of Disney, aggressively and embarrassingly shilling for sponsors ad-nauseum, or worst of all when they do not disclose any commercial relationship.

Good onya Pete and I hope to see you in Oz in September:cheer2::cheer2:

[Launchpad11B]

It would seem that the show has slipped into the form of a long commercial. Times being what they are, having a ready made audience that is easily marketed to with events related to the Disboards is an opportunity that is difficult to pass up.

Something a lot of people seem to miss is that the Disboards are a privately owned for profit corporation. As we've seen in recent changes to disboards policies, or the past use of the profanity filter to **** anyone using terms or names of competitors, free speech is relative to the mood and discretion of the owners. It is an excellent marketing platform to those that want to express and share about WDW, are planning a vacation, or are looking for a travel agent. But only so long as what is marketed agrees with the owner's profit and loss sheet.

The dynamic changed very quickly when some were brought in that previously were known not to be fans of the theme parks nor of Disney in general. Some segments have become lack luster, and we hear news on Universal and/or random events in and around Orlando more so than about WDW. Put that together with the long list of upcoming travel events that while related to the podcast, are more self serving than informative and you have started to slide that slippery slope into 4am infomercial.


Rex, you seem like a decent guy but this is very weak on your part. Sitting on the side line and criticizing the actions of others is pathetic. The pod cast crew are not elected officials open to public scorn. They provide a service, a unique service which you participate in by choice. Who are you to complain about the direction of the show? It's not your show. You don't own stock in the show. The success or failure of the show in no way impacts your life. You are of the opinion that your negative comments are somehow noble and that you are brave for creating conflict with the team when most others support them. You're wrong. I don't hear you offering a better product for the listeners of the show. I don't hear any constructive ideas from you on how to improve the pod cast. All we hear from you is petty drivel that is best left to private conversation. Differing opinions have always been welcome on the DIS boards and that's a good thing. Your post does not come across as just a difference in opinion, it comes across as the rantings of a bitter, spoiled, malcontent who will only be happy when he is complaining about things. As you are so fond of saying, this is just my opinion, take it for what it is. :mad:

[Launchpad11B]

it's funny how Pete himself says that he loves Disney but he will be the first to point out when he doesn't like something or doesn't agree. When Oscar (who i'm sure loves disney and is obviously a fan of the podcast) posts something he's noticed about the podcast, he gets attacked. it seems like most people on here are like the disney fans pete makes fun of - Disney can do no wrong.
i love the podcast. i listen every week. i don't think Oscar worded his opinion in the nicest way, but i do agree that there is more mention of Dreams Unlimited, etc now than for example last year. it all began with the Mousefest Meet. you can see for yourself if you listen to the podcast where Pete says, "I don't usually do this, but since the sponsors really stepped up with paying for the meet, i'm going to plug them more." i'm not saying it's good or bad. i'm just saying that it happens. that's all. i don't need anyone to write and say that i'm a bad person for noticing this.


There is more to Rex and the pod cast situation than just his post on this thread. Keep that in mind. :thumbsup2

[DizzyFORDisney]

Wow! :scared1:

John - you and the PC crew could plug nail clippers and spinach for all I care! Just keep doing what you're doing!

:thumbsup2

[rotlex]

Wow, interesting thread, and shocking in some ways!

I'm hoping I'm not alone when I say, and I already know I'm not, that you guys have the absolute best Disney podcast, web site, community in existance! :thumbsup2

I'm a long time listener and reader, and to be honest, I must say I don't know how you guys do it. The fact that you DON'T promote your business on the show more often is quite surprising, as you are in business to make a living I would assume.

You provide a tremendous service to all us Disney "nuts" out here, and I hope to God you continue to do so for a very long time.

Just wanted to say there are a lot of us out here who may not be known as well as others, that truly feel we are a part of a community here. Sure, it's mainly about Disney and all that, but it's about people too. I feel I know you guys better than some of the folks I work with, LOL.

Keep up the good work, and don't EVER let a few sour apples ruin such a wonderful pie......or is that CAKE!!!!!!!! :disrocks:

[Disneybridein2k3]

I was reflecting today, during a station break on Dis Radio, that I've been listening to the show for almost exactly 3 years.

I was thinking about what the show's become and , (correct me if I'm wrong Roundtable), no way on earth, no way, no how, would the Roundtable have EVER anticipated that, 3 years ago over 400 people would sign up with them to cruise! And I could never have anticipated that I would feel such SORROW at not getting to go to ANY of the so far sponsored events! :sad2: This has been a journey for everyone on that podcast, new and old included and their listeners. How could it NOT change?

And in light of that, they have been steadily building a (may I say it?) RABID fan base and have been responding in kind to the demand that is out there to spend time together!

As a result of that, I WILL fork over my $$ to Dreams Unlimited to book travel. Pete's paying for part of his Qantas flight with what we just spent for a week at DL at GCH! :laughing: And I am GLAD to do it.

B/c DU and the Roundtable in particular are giving their fans a place to belong. You connect with people on that level, you are welcome to the riches that you may reap.
Well put!!!!!
I want to say I agree completely. It amazes me how people can just take, take, take and then complain about what they are given! I have more to say but I'm already late for work. I will be back soon!

Thanks for all you do podcast team and please know that the majority of us do appreciate it!
:thumbsup2
it's funny how Pete himself says that he loves Disney but he will be the first to point out when he doesn't like something or doesn't agree. When Oscar (who i'm sure loves disney and is obviously a fan of the podcast) posts something he's noticed about the podcast, he gets attacked. it seems like most people on here are like the disney fans pete makes fun of - Disney can do no wrong.
i love the podcast. i listen every week. i don't think Oscar worded his opinion in the nicest way, but i do agree that there is more mention of Dreams Unlimited, etc now than for example last year. it all began with the Mousefest Meet. you can see for yourself if you listen to the podcast where Pete says, "I don't usually do this, but since the sponsors really stepped up with paying for the meet, i'm going to plug them more." i'm not saying it's good or bad. i'm just saying that it happens. that's all. i don't need anyone to write and say that i'm a bad person for noticing this.
You are defending a person who is looking a gift horse in the mouth. I can't explain why Rex's posts which seemingly bash my friends (real or imaginary as they may be) hurt my feelings, but they did. It isn't right. I have a lot more I could say but my momma told me if I didn't have nothin' nice to say then don't say nothin'.
Rex, you seem like a decent guy but this is very weak on your part. Sitting on the side line and criticizing the actions of others is pathetic. The pod cast crew are not elected officials open to public scorn. They provide a service, a unique service which you participate in by choice. Who are you to complain about the direction of the show? It's not your show. You don't own stock in the show. The success or failure of the show in no way impacts your life. You are of the opinion that your negative comments are somehow noble and that you are brave for creating conflict with the team when most others support them. You're wrong. I don't hear you offering a better product for the listeners of the show. I don't hear any constructive ideas from you on how to improve the pod cast. All we hear from you is petty drivel that is best left to private conversation. Differing opinions have always been welcome on the DIS boards and that's a good thing. Your post does not come across as just a difference in opinion, it comes across as the rantings of a bitter, spoiled, malcontent who will only be happy when he is complaining about things. As you are so fond of saying, this is just my opinion, take it for what it is. :mad:
Paul, you are much more diplomatic than I am. Well put, my friend. And certainly nicer than I would have said it.

[Jennygt]

Well said John, I had also noticed some of the timing of complaints with new team members in the past but I thought is was just me. You guys are great, plug what you want, it is your show!! I think you do a great job and are very generous to all of us.:hug:

[dpuck1998]

I love the PC, and I also realize that the equipment, prizes, time, all of the trips to the parks for research, events, Telephone lines, and content cost money and needed to produce the content for the show. These folks provide a wonderful and free environment for us to play in but, someone has to pay for it all. I have no problem with plugs and or DUT sponsered events. Pete and John can not do Podcasts and the boards from a cardboard box. The amount of promotion is minimal compared to the amount of money that is poured into the podcast.

The other thing everyone must remember is that coming up with new content is not easy. Pete and John have to keep things new and fresh or no one would listen. Take the e-mail show as an example, you can not read the same questions every week. New content=more money to produce. So folks, either pony-up on the site sponsership or let them do their thing(s). This is a business that has sprung out of love for the Disney product. More power to the "team."

Thanks guys! Ya'll do great work. Remember folks, nothing in life is free!

Leave to Mike to discuss the cost of electronics. :rotfl2: Hey someone has to pay for Corey's trips to Best Buy right?

I want to say I agree completely. It amazes me how people can just take, take, take and then complain about what they are given! I have more to say but I'm already late for work. I will be back soon!

Thanks for all you do podcast team and please know that the majority of us do appreciate it!

:hug:

[tmli]

As someone who knows a little about selling travel and commissions, specifically Disney and DCL, I said to Chris from the beginning they are making nothing on this. When I heard of all the extras I knew it was costing extra money. What people often don't understand is that just because you are bringing a group to DCL doesn't mean they pony up the public spaces etc. As a group you get access to these things but you pay for it -- and often pay dearly!!!

Personally, I think adding Theresa and others to the podcast who are "new" to Disney is a good idea. Sometimes those of us who are frequent visitors and long time fans forget the feelings of being a newbie, how overwhelming it all can be. As I am sure many listeners are new to Disney, I think Theresa and the others add a necessary perspective. Not to mention the fact that she is freaking hilarious!!!!!

Pete, John and the rest of the crew.....this is one of those times we were discussing at Dinner. Everyone will have an opinion, some valid some not, some positive, some far from it. Remember the positives.....the way people pull together and support one another when needed, the crazy good time that was had by all on the cruise and the many stories of found friendships and even love, like ours!!!!

[abish19]

I have noticed the podcast has changed. However, it doesn't follow that the podcast is worse for it. It is just different. All of the Disney podcasts I've listened to have changed since their first episode. Additionally, other Disney podcasts DO have advertisers, financial relationships, etc. - and from what I can ascertain, NONE of them regularly participate in the kinds of generous prize giveaways and free events that the DISUnplugged (and by extension, Dreams Unlimited Travel) provide.

When we all lost Bob, change was necessary. A previous poster made reference, I think, to the fact that some of the newer Podcast team members weren't at the level of "Disney enthusiast." That would only be relevant if NONE of the Podcasters were Disney enthusiasts. I, for one, appreciate the perspective given by someone who (like my husband) enjoys Disney, but doesn't necessarily worship it like I do. :)

I haven't been able to personally attend any of the DIS events, and for various reasons, probably won't be able to in the near future. But I do enjoy listening to the plans and reports from the cruise, Mousefest, etc. I also enjoyed this week's more "regular format" show.

Much more than any other podcast (and in part b/c of the boards here), the DISUnplugged has a real, interested, supportive community. Because Pete and his crew feel comfortable sharing their personal feelings and some of their private lives and interests with us, we want to invest in their efforts. It brings out strong feelings, of course, but remember that, in the end, it is THEIR podcast. It is their time and money and energy that provides the show we all wait for anxiously each week.

Anyway, I'll quit talking like a mom trying to speak reason to her children ;)and just say THANK YOU. You've never charged me a penny for something that brings me so much laughter and happiness. It is one of the things I look forward to most each week. Incidentally, it is far and away the podcast I enjoy most.

[Disneybridein2k3]

PS - I love you Ter-eez-a. I think you are a FABULOUS addition to the show :thumbsup2 And I can't wait to "meet" the newest member of the team as well. I know you know this, but the vast majority of us listeners really appreciate everything you guys do. We know it is tough and sometimes a thankless :rolleyes: job but it is really appreciated. You are like my mom. I always love and appreciate her but don't always tell her so.

[slapwhitey]

I think the guys know most of us appreciate everything they do. I hope they don't let a few bad apples spoil the bunch. You only have to go back as far as the cruise and all of us already planning for the next one to know that we love everything they do for us.

As far as the "dynamics". I noticed a small change after Bob passed but to be honest I expected that. You don't lose a family member without it affecting everyone. I have grown to really enjoy the new additions to the team. I have met them all in person and they are incredible individuals. And they truly are individuals. I think the fact that they all have a different "Disney" background is a good thing. You now get ideas and reviews from all different perspectives. Having spent some time with Kathy my wife and I feel that she is very much like us when it comes to her love and feelings for Disney. I LOVE the idea that Walter was kinda thrown into the whole Disney thing by association and it's interesting to hear his opinions. I can just imagine how "crazy" he must have thought all these Disney freaks were at the beginning. And I gotta say...Teresa is hilarious. Her perspective and humor can not be scripted or faked.

In short...have things changed? Of course, things always do. I don't think the changes have been a bad thing...in fact....I quite enjoy them.

Thanks for the post John, I know it must be hard for you guys to sit back and do nothing at times. I think you did a great job representing the crew. I think I can confidently say (due to the time I've spent with these guys) that these are all great friends. It's not just a colleague or a business acquaintance for these guys.

Keep up the good work. Now everyone go book with Dreams Unlimited Travel and be sure to extend your stay with a week in the beautiful Dream Villas.:thumbsup2

Chris

[FireDancer]

I was in the middle of posting last night when I lost power and much of what I would have said was said by John and others but I wanted to show support.

I took the OP as a two pronged statement. First, that the show has been different lately and second that the show has become a vehicle for the promotion of Dreams.

While I do agree a little with the first part I don't see it is negative but as inevitable. The team that sat around the table was pretty much the same from week to week and the peanut gallery was more for observation by the "non table" members of the team. When Bob suddenly passed the decision was made to change the way the show was done. More people were added and some of those who were passively in the peanut gallery became active members. When you have different people in any situation the content will change slightly. I like that there are different people that can sit in depending on the situation and what they can lend to a segment.

As far as the second goes I don't think the show is self-promotional at all. I have no doubt that the show and boards are great tool for Dreams Unlimited but not because they are thrown in your face. We trust the boards and show so it is not a huge leap to trust the travel company that is run by the same people. As John said, Dreams happens to be the tool that allows them to do the events that are travel related. I'm sure we wouldn't have the opportunity to do the cruise or the ABD trips if there wasn't DU handling it. Ok, maybe we still would but I have a feeling the pricing would be way higher. I trust that when DU gets a good price they pass it along to us. If we then feel we would like to repay their generosity by using Dreams to book our own trips it is a win for everyone.

I also suspect that profiling more non-Disney Orlando attractions was a two part decision. First, one of the things that some of the team members bring to the table is knowing the area and what to do. Most of us know Disney pretty well but probably don't know the other stuff as well. They add that to the show as the occasional segment. Second, in the present economy a lot of people are probably looking to spend a little less time in the parks and are looking to spend a day or two doing other area attractions that, while not Disney, also don't come with the Disney premium.

I won't say Rex or anyone with the opposite view of the show is wrong because, much like what was said in the D23 debate, an opinion is an opinion. But I wanted to say I love the show and the trips, even the ones I don't take part in. Keep it up guys.

[ADP]

A lot of you have already summed up my feelings.

Personally, I don't understand how anyone can complain about what the crew is doing. They are providing a service which we can choose to use or not use. But, even better then that, they are taking us along for the ride by giving back not only to us Disney fans, but to a great charitable cause as well (GKTW). Just having these forums available to us at no charge is an incredible free public service I hope never goes away.

The crew are some of the nicest people I've ever met. Many of them showed up for the Muddy Buddy to support us, kathy went above and beyond to help us with the Muddy Buddy, Cory and Julie let us use their bike for the race, Pete and Walter have always been extremely nice and treated our family like their family. I could go on and site examples of their kindness all day.

I don't see how all of us couldn't view the crew as our friends. They've certainly treated us that way. I personally feel, and I think I speak for many others here, that we should be giving back to them.

[irunnoft]

Hey gang,

I'm a new listener; I've been listening for a little over a month now. I've been a member of the DISboards since 2008 and have been taking advantage of all the wealth of knowledge that the boards have to offer for a long time. For some reason, I just never checked out the podcast until recently. I'm not new to podcasts, though. I've got several that I enjoy listening to. ALL of them mention their sponsors because that is how they are able to put out the show on a daily or weekly basis. That's to be expected, just like commercials that support your favorite network TV show.

I wasn't around when Bob was still with us. In fact, I haven't gone any further back into the archives than February 2009, so I can't comment on any changes from previous format to today's format. However, I can say that I have no problems with the few times that Dreams Unlimited is mentioned. Were I Pete or John, I'd want to mention my business, too. It's how the bills get paid.

Ironically, I was just driving in to work this morning listening to the podcast when I began to think about the generosity of all those involved in making the podcasts on a weekly basis. I thought about the time that each member of the crew devotes beyond the time that we hear that makes it to the final show. I thought about the time they spend in the parks or in restaurants conducting reviews and gathering data. I began to think about the time spent on the road or traveling from one place to another. All of that time could be spent doing something else or with family. I thought about the sheer amount of time spent getting the blogs posted, editing video, updating the site, etc. If they were paid by the hour, they'd all be millionaires. Then I had this thought, I know they do all this extra stuff that goes on behind the scenes because they love Disney. Not only do they love Disney, but they love providing this information to all of us to help us have a better vacation when our time to go to the world rolls around.

I'd never thought of using a travel agent before. However, I plan to use Dreams Unlimited to book any trip that I need in the future. There's one reason why - OK, two reasons. The most obvious is that I want to support Pete and John because I feel as though I know them. They seem like friends (albiet ones I've never met). I'd much rather line their pockets than some unknown companies. Supporting Dreams means I'm supporting the DIS and I have become a daily visitor to the boards. The other reason I would use DU is simple..............INTEGRITY.

During my contemplation this morning, I began to think a lot about the integrity with which Pete and John conduct themselves and their business. I applaud them for that. They conduct business as transparently as possible on the show. They have always gone out of their way to let the listeners know when they were talking about somebody with whom they have a business relationship. They also talk about companies/entities with whom they have no financial interest. A prime example of this was the way Pete plugged Deb's Breast Cancer walk. Allears is, I guess, a competitor for DISboards, yet Pete had the class to mention her charity event during the time he was talking about receiving donations for Give Kids the World. Pete mentioned that charities are the first thing to take the hit during a bad economy. He recognized the importance of that breast cancer charity and had the class to mention it in conjunction with the DISboard's sponsored event. Very rarely do you encounter people in today's world who live their lives and conduct their businesses with integrity. Didn't anybody else hear the recent announcement about Australia? According to Pete, that was his dream vacation and he was about to take a pass if it meant going against his ethics of not receiving something free in exchange for reviewing it on the show. Integrity.

[Schrute Farms]

as one of many non-cruisers I kinda felt "left out" when the focus was (unsurprisingly) on the cruise over recent weeks.

Plus Kevin's dining reviews are my favourite segment so :cool1::cool1:

:goodvibes

I agree 100% with this.

One additional comment, the show could use more LSU talk. Perhaps Corey can have his own segment in the fall to breakdown the weeks game.;)

Geaux Tigers!

[NWOhioAngela]

My turn!

Yes the show has changed.
Yes, I think there is more promotion.
I don't really care that there is. If it gets annoying, or I don't like a particular segment, I fast forward through it.

It's a business, I am a consumer. Simple. If I don't like it/them/the format, I am free to shop, purchase or listen elsewhere.

[wdwfreeksince88]

Well said John and also to a couple of others that brought up GKTW I forgot to mention that in the post. Keep up the great work podcast crew!!

[Madi100]

I think the only thing that is changing about the show is that the crew if offering more and more events. And, if you want to keep Dreams Unlimited out of those events, then you are changing what the team is offering in these events, because Dreams pays for a lot of it.

The only thing about all these events that I don't like is that I can't go to all of them. When I was a child, and I was told I could pick out ONE toy I didn't understand why I couldnt' have them alll. Temper tantrums usually followed. As an adult, I can easier understand that I can't attend all of the events that the crew offers. God bless the ones who can afford money and timewise to do so (feel free to adopt me). And, temper tantrums are no longer appropriate (unless I'm alone).

As far as how much money these events cost Dreams, thank you very much. The cruise was great. I had more fun than I could have ever imagined.

[BilltM]

someone just got PWNED.

I had to look that up!! :lmao:

[miss missy]

WE LOVE YOU PETE AND ALL OF THE PODCAST TEAM!!! THANK YOU FOR EVERYTHING YOU ALL DO!!


John said it perfectly!!! :thumbsup2 All I can add is those of us who know what Pete and ALL OF THE TEAM do, appreciate it each and every step of the way. The time alone, that they spend WORKING to make these FREE events, FREE podcasts, FREE video, FREE WDW info, FREE forum boards, FREE prizes, DISCOUNTED trips, DISCOUNTED tours... ect. happen for US is so amazing and so selfless!! The money they pour out on US, that alone is mind boggeling.

I am floored at the ignorance some people can spew :sad2: and I am feeling "canival ape crazy" :headache::mad: so I am going to stop at that.

[k5jmh]

Leave to Mike to discuss the cost of electronics. :rotfl2: Hey someone has to pay for Corey's trips to Best Buy right?



:hug:


Don, as you and I both know as Techie Toy nuts, How else is Pete going to get new Toys to impress us? I am waiting for him to have the first commercially available transporter (Star Trek) so that he can cut his travel costs down. No more "Red Eye" flights for Walter!:rotfl::rotfl:

We are now http://i733.photobucket.com/albums/ww335/k5jmh/deadhorse.gif.

[*NikkiBell*]

I really don't even know how to respond to this thread. It just makes me feel very sad and close to tears. I'm hoping nonsense like this doesn't ruin the DIS for the rest of us. I don't know where I'd be without you guys.

[dpuck1998]

Don, as you and I both know as Techie Toy nuts, How else is Pete going to get new Toys to impress us? I am waiting for him to have the first commercially available transporter (Star Trek) so that he can cut his travel costs down. No more "Red Eye" flights for Walter!:rotfl::rotfl:

We are now http://i733.photobucket.com/albums/ww335/k5jmh/deadhorse.gif.

Ohhh....I'd sign up for a test run ;)


Also, this reminds me of when people complained about how they were giving away the last podcast cruise. Those people ruined it for everyone else.

[wishspirit]

Ohhh....I'd sign up for a test run ;)


Also, this reminds me of when people complained about how they were giving away the last podcast cruise. Those people ruined it for everyone else.

That's true! Why can't people be happy for other people!

Let's all get along...

[lttlmc3]

I really don't even know how to respond to this thread. It just makes me feel very sad and close to tears. I'm hoping nonsense like this doesn't ruin the DIS for the rest of us. I don't know where I'd be without you guys.

Eh, don't take it so personally. It's just people sharing opinions

[hideeh]

It never ceases to amaze me what the onset of a full moon will bring out of people. Sad.

Chin up Pete and crew! :grouphug:

[wildeoscar]

it's funny how Pete himself says that he loves Disney but he will be the first to point out when he doesn't like something or doesn't agree. When Oscar (who i'm sure loves disney and is obviously a fan of the podcast) posts something he's noticed about the podcast, he gets attacked. it seems like most people on here are like the disney fans pete makes fun of - Disney can do no wrong.
i love the podcast. i listen every week. i don't think Oscar worded his opinion in the nicest way, but i do agree that there is more mention of Dreams Unlimited, etc now than for example last year. it all began with the Mousefest Meet. you can see for yourself if you listen to the podcast where Pete says, "I don't usually do this, but since the sponsors really stepped up with paying for the meet, i'm going to plug them more." i'm not saying it's good or bad. i'm just saying that it happens. that's all. i don't need anyone to write and say that i'm a bad person for noticing this.

A point well made.



However, I think we hit on the underlying issue Rex is having with the DIS and the podcast lately. It is my opinion that he feels like he should be on the show and have a job with the DIS/podcast and this is what's leading to his negative comments.

Rex, back when you said we 'jumped the shark' a while ago, that was the week we announced Teresa was joining the show. This week we announce that Leah is our newest team member and you have another negative/snarky comment about the direction of the show.

As a matter of fact I recall our first meeting at Bob's memorial service at the Gaylord Palms where you told Kevin and I that you were disappointed that Pete wasn't there. I thought it was because you really wanted to meet him but you went on to say you thought for sure Pete would hire you on the spot to replace Bob.

I think the 'slippery slope' here is when hidden agendas are used to conceal true intentions.

I am proud that the podcast has always been an open and honest discussion about everything in our lives. From personal opinions on Disney, to our personal lives, to our business relationships - we've always shared everything with our listeners.


You are taking a third hand comment not only out of context but changing the meaning to serve your purpose. Yeah there was interest, it was an idea planted by others and the topic would have made for good discussion. There were some that PMed me, and emailed you on that topic. I recall Kevin bringing up that some fans had brought up my contribution. I recall being invited to do a review with you and Kevin not long after Bob's wake. Did the topic of my "replacing" Bob ever come up? That was an hour+ meal, with conversation spanning many topics... But my joining the show or Dreams, etc. was never one of them. After getting a peek under the Kimono, I had no interest.

Yeah, after everything with that night of looking for Pete... it would have been nice to meet and chat. But Pete wasn't there, indeed John... wasn't Pete having a "reaction to some medication?"

There were a couple shows that came out in that time period that were extended interviews that were promoting one product. Regardless of not having any financial interest in the products being promoted... I spoke up to say, is this a good direction? Is this what people wanna hear? The show returned to the previous format.

I didn't even bring this topic up, the OP isn't a regular on the boards but a listener to the show that wanted to express concern. I agree with their points that "content" has moved a lot further into the show. I agree with comments on other parts of the disboards that some of the new policies are a double standard. Heck I made a joke that to get me to ride the doubleshot would take a very large donation to my foundation. Does anyone think I have a foundation? Pete took it as a personal attack that I was soliciting for donations. While GKTW is a great cause, I couldn't make a joke about donations to a foundation... there were several weeks where a large amount of time was dedicated to "soliciting donations". To paraphrase, "Common people, give more, shut me up".

I put myself out there, It cost a couple bucks to make the drive to win that cruise. Gas, Hotel, Park Admission. It was a fun adventure. I was lucky that I got to have some fun. While most of us work tedious jobs till we die, I got to be a part of something big and enjoy a moment in the spotlight. I can take the personal attacks, even if personal attacks are against the rules of the disboards. To reiterate my point... much like Disney, the Disboards, Dreams Unlimited and the Podcast are a for profit business. Giving stuff away is good publicity, excellent marketing. Taking the show on the tours and organized trips is selling tours at a time when travel is slow. It is good business.

Advertising and marketing are cost centers. Giving away product to promote is part of business. While they have incurred costs for these promotions, do you really think they are giving it all away with no expectation that it will attract more customers?

I re-read my post... change the object of criticism from the show to Disney and you have a "Pete Rant". In fact, let's try it...

It would seem that Disney has slipped into the form of a long commercial. Times being what they are, having a ready made audience that is easily marketed to with events related to Disney is an opportunity that is difficult to pass up.

You can be proud of the podcast; There is still content.

[NWOhioAngela]

much like Disney, the Disboards, Dreams Unlimited and the Podcast are a for profit business. Giving stuff away is good publicity, excellent marketing. Taking the show on the tours and organized trips is selling tours at a time when travel is slow. It is good business.

Advertising and marketing are cost centers. Giving away product to promote is part of business. While they have incurred costs for these promotions, do you really think they are giving it all away with no expectation that it will attract more customers?



Very true. Doesn't make it "right", doesn't make it "wrong". It just is what it is.

[pjhorton21]

This reminds me of the time my wife and I went to see Celtic Women perform. The lead singer had a cold and was lip syncing the second half of the show. When I commented on their forum about this, I got 300 posts telling me I was crazy, and the "Our Girls" would never do something like that, etc.

Concerning this thread, objectivity has been thrown out the door. Doctorhead is the only voice of reason in this thread. If someone can't make a comment about what they feel would improve the show (whether I agree with it or not), then the show will never improve. It's called FEEDBACK - something I think the podcast crew would WELCOME.

So everyone please disarm by putting down your pom poms.

I'm stepping off my soapbox now. I feel better! :love:

[tinkbutt]

im with you, i was VERY jealous i could not go on the last cruise, but hearing about it on here and on the podcast made me SO excited, me and my girlfriend cant wait to sign up for the next one. Its SO far away, but that gives us extra time to save ! i cant wait to meet everyone !

I am in the same boat! no pun intended! I hope I get to go on the next cruise. and love hearing how much fun people had I would never wanna make someone else feel bad because they have money to do these things and I don't!! I Love you guys, the podcast and this forum thats why I'm here to share my love of disney, cake, and chocolate in any form it happens to come up!!:goodvibes

[L.E. Ott]

What I have to say is pretty simple. The DIS in all of it's many forms, has and continues to save me money and keep me entertained on a regular basis. If Dreams, Dis Unplugged, Pete and John, etc make a little money because they offer me a better deal than everyone else, and make me feel like a part of a like-minded community, then good for them! No doubt, they have a piece of the market that they present, sell, talk about, whatever you want to call it, better than anyone else. It's no different than a McDonalds Cheeseburger. I chose to drive up the street a little further, than go to somewhere closer, because I like the product more. Well it is a little different, in the case of the Dis, the guy at the window isn't a complete idiot. I actually enjoy talking to him, consider him a friend, and every once in a while, he gives me some extra french fries!!

Ok, rant-mode off for me now.

[mommyceratops]

Ok...this is begging for me to reply.
Nicely said John.

Now I am honestly am boiling...:mad:

I am all for and understanding that Dreams plugs themselves at any time they can get. (Everything needs sponsors and they are not easy to get). JMO - Personally, I think they should plug more It is not that bad, it's not like commercials, not like they slip it in subliminal messages, it is open and upfront, Pete almost didn't go to Australia, his dream, because he believes in his morals.

John, Pete (and the whole team) go above and beyond their obligation to anyone and do it out of the generosity of their hearts. They don't receive a paycheck to do the show.

As one who enjoyed the TSM it was a top all the way, one of the best nights of my life and they did not need to do any of that. Why, they did it because they are nice guys. I would of paid to go, I didn't feel that they should shell out all that money for us.

Last time I looked when you are a fan of something you shell out HUGE dollars to go to an event like TSM.

I happily and proudly send anyone who asks me for Disney advise to Dreams Unlimited and am proud to do so!

To sum it up...I have seen under the kimono and all I saw was big hearts, generosity and kindness! It is a business and you have to make money to live...they don't have to give things away. The prizematron could be t-shirts only or $5 gift cards...

Thank you for all you do!

[mikelan6]

Just to add my two cents here, for whatever it's worth ...

I thoroughly enjoy the podcast even though some times it sounds like a commercial. I don't see anything wrong with that is being done with the podcast and I a sure it will be different a year from now as things always change.

Whether you play the "advertising" in the beginning of the show or at the end, I will still listen to every moment.

And let's admit it, everyone ... we've all watched those informercials and secretly enjoy them sometimes. I know you all have sham-wows in your closets!!! :rotfl2:

[Halloweenqueen]

We are all just jealous of Pete's Australian trip. :thumbsup2


Seriously, I subscribe to about a dozen podcasts and even my NPR ones are full of plugs, etc. It is the nature of the business.

I've been surprised many times by the objectivity of the podcast crew. It's a refreshing difference than any other podcast out there.


That's why I listen. :goodvibes

[Madi100]

To sum it up...I have seen under the kimono and all I saw was big hearts, generosity and kindness! It is a business and you have to make money to live...they don't have to give things away. The prizematron could be t-shirts only or $5 gift cards...

Thank you for all you do!

Okay, I'm jealous. Everyone has seen up their kimonos, and I haven't. Life is not fair sometimes.

[luna99]

Okay, I'm jealous. Everyone has seen up their kimonos, and I haven't. Life is not fair sometimes.

ok, I NEVER miss a show but I'm totally not getting the kimono reference :confused3 ... do pete, walter, john, and kevin lounge around in kimonos at home? I'm getting a great mental image of this right now... I wish I knew how to photoshop their faces on this picture:

http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg164/margera_41255_2010_photos/Golden-Girls-tv-show-16.jpg

[dalt01]

As a long time lurker / listener, i must say it seems someone every few weeks MUST try and get Pete Riled up. The poor guy does a freaking OUTSTANDING job but someone ALWAYS has to come up with some post busting his b*&^$ to try and get a reaction out of him or other podcast crew. I hope somehow he doesn't even see this thread so it doesn't cause him anymore unneeded stress. I cant imagine trying to monitor these boards, keep a website top notch, run a LARGE travel business and plan all sorts of great trips for us. He has a pretty full plate, im sure he doesnt need this extra stress. Oh well, sometimes ya just cant win in this life... ya...got a..........little something on the.......a.........end of your nose......yea... right there.

[Madi100]

ok, I NEVER miss a show but I'm totally not getting the kimono reference :confused3 ... do pete, walter, john, and kevin lounge around in kimonos at home? I'm getting a great mental image of this right now... I wish I knew how to photoshop their faces on this picture:

http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg164/margera_41255_2010_photos/Golden-Girls-tv-show-16.jpg


You didn't miss anything. Rex said above he's seen up the kimono and it's not all that. Kim replied and said it was.

[Northern_Julie]

I think the OP was intended as constructive criticsm. Now it is off track with agendas being suggested. I have no problem with the Dreams Unlimited being mentioned but admit I am envious of those who go. Luckily I come here and live vvicariously some times.

That said are parts of the new dynamics I love. I like Kathy's imput and enjoy following up with her blogs. I really enjoy get when Kathy and Theresa went to the Universal Burger King. It was like two long time friends. I hope they pair up more because this is how I envision my next trip with my best friend who hasn't been to Disney in 30 years. I think many enjoyed the adventures of Corey, Will and Walter in a similar fashion.
I like the addition of John and Kevin dining with listener families.
I am anticipating a cool future with Corey and Julie taking Ferris. These are all dynamics that keep me listening weekly and all of them post Bob.

[Nom]

I agree with the OP in that recently the housekeeping segments have become LONG... but I can see why Pete and crew need to so that in order to put on the extravagant, generous events that they do. I just fast forward through housekeeping now- works for me!

Actually, if you want to talk commercial, I seem to remember from some very early podcasts that Bob would do segments on rates at off-site hotels which were much more commercial than what we hear now.

Either way, it's fine by me!

[dalt01]

I can take the personal attacks, even if personal attacks are against the rules of the disboards. i dont have a dog in this fight, but, he is right about that. might be time to untether this thread from the lifeboat and let it drift quietly into the night.

[luna99]

You didn't miss anything. Rex said above he's seen up the kimono and it's not all that. Kim replied and said it was.

sorry, that was just my very sad attempt to lighten the "mood" on this thread... :rolleyes:

[TexDisFan]

Sorry for being a simpleton, but I don't understand what 'line in the sand' has been crossed when mentioning DU on the podcast (no matter how many times). Is there a Cardinal Rule that has been broken that says you can't mention the source of income that provides for a FREE podcast? I have used DU in the past and I found them because of these boards. I figured that anyone who puts this much effort into all of this free information and weekly podcast discussions must also run an excellent travel agency. I was not disappointed.

Pete and crew: Thank you for your weekly reviews and discussions. For those of us that can't get to WDW as much as we would like, your podcast allows us to 'visit' WDW (and other Disney attractions) weekly. Keep going places and talking about your treks, it is greatly appreciated.

[WebmasterJohn]

You are taking a third hand comment not only out of context but changing the meaning to serve your purpose. Yeah there was interest, it was an idea planted by others and the topic would have made for good discussion. There were some that PMed me, and emailed you on that topic. I recall Kevin bringing up that some fans had brought up my contribution. I recall being invited to do a review with you and Kevin not long after Bob's wake. Did the topic of my "replacing" Bob ever come up? That was an hour+ meal, with conversation spanning many topics... But my joining the show or Dreams, etc. was never one of them. After getting a peek under the Kimono, I had no interest.

Yeah, after everything with that night of looking for Pete... it would have been nice to meet and chat. But Pete wasn't there, indeed John... wasn't Pete having a "reaction to some medication?"


I don't believe I referenced a 'third hand comment' or took anything out of context.

The day of Bob's memorial service you said to Kevin and I "I was hoping Pete was here. I thought if he spent time with me he would hire me on the spot to replace Bob". Not only did I hear you say that, Kevin was there as well. This goes down as the single, tackiest thing anyone has every said to me in any situation.

Kevin also tells me you asked about being hired after I stepped away from the table the day we took you to lunch at the Wave. I didn't hear you say it so I don't know the words you used.

And Pete tells me the day you found him at Universal you asked for a job.

Apparently it took several looks 'under the Kimono' for you decide you didn't want to work with us.

And, while I'm on that subject....I find your snarky comments like 'look under the Kimono' or putting the fact that Pete was ill in quotations utterly offensive. Just because they are directed at the podcast team doesn't make them less of an attack.



There were a couple shows that came out in that time period that were extended interviews that were promoting one product. Regardless of not having any financial interest in the products being promoted... I spoke up to say, is this a good direction? Is this what people wanna hear? The show returned to the previous format.

I didn't even bring this topic up, the OP isn't a regular on the boards but a listener to the show that wanted to express concern. I agree with their points that "content" has moved a lot further into the show. I agree with comments on other parts of the disboards that some of the new policies are a double standard. Heck I made a joke that to get me to ride the doubleshot would take a very large donation to my foundation. Does anyone think I have a foundation? Pete took it as a personal attack that I was soliciting for donations. While GKTW is a great cause, I couldn't make a joke about donations to a foundation... there were several weeks where a large amount of time was dedicated to "soliciting donations". To paraphrase, "Common people, give more, shut me up".


Talk about distorting the facts!! You posted a request for personal donations to you complete with a link to a REAL paypal account. You can say it was a joke all you want but the paypal account was real and at no point did you reveal it was a joke. Seemed real to me.

And comparing that to asking for donations to Give Kids the World? Come on.


I put myself out there, It cost a couple bucks to make the drive to win that cruise. Gas, Hotel, Park Admission. It was a fun adventure. I was lucky that I got to have some fun. While most of us work tedious jobs till we die, I got to be a part of something big and enjoy a moment in the spotlight. I can take the personal attacks, even if personal attacks are against the rules of the disboards. To reiterate my point... much like Disney, the Disboards, Dreams Unlimited and the Podcast are a for profit business. Giving stuff away is good publicity, excellent marketing. Taking the show on the tours and organized trips is selling tours at a time when travel is slow. It is good business.

Advertising and marketing are cost centers. Giving away product to promote is part of business. While they have incurred costs for these promotions, do you really think they are giving it all away with no expectation that it will attract more customers?

We have never once misrepresented the fact that we own several businesses related to travel to the Orlando area. All the things you mention are indeed part of a marketing plan we find works very well for us. The fact is the more customers we have, the more revenue we produce to do things we want. As a company we reserve the right to use our revenue any way we see fit as long as it's legal. I personally work very hard to give back to our community as much as possible, whether the community is local, online or a charity that has special meaning for us.

My problem with your comments is the insinuation that we somehow are trying to hide the fact that we are business.

I cannot dispute the fact that I try to increase our business and our revenue every day. I can dispute any assumption that our efforts of giving things away, or planning events or trips are somehow used to hide this fact...or that anything we have given away/plan to give away is done with anything less than the sincerest integrity.

Also, I think our listeners are way to smart to fall for tricks or gimmicks to try to get them to use our businesses.



I re-read my post... change the object of criticism from the show to Disney and you have a "Pete Rant". In fact, let's try it...

It would seem that Disney has slipped into the form of a long commercial. Times being what they are, having a ready made audience that is easily marketed to with events related to Disney is an opportunity that is difficult to pass up.

You can be proud of the podcast; There is still content.

Here's the deal...if you want to say you are doing the same thing that Pete does in his rants you have to be willing and able to take all that goes along with that. This includes people disagreeing with you in a very vocal manner.

We don't do the show in a vacuum....we get all kinds of feedback whether in email, on the boards or via the phone. We address as much of that feedback as possible in as honest a fashion as possible - except when I can make a stupid joke out of it :goodvibes

[Joseph Carter]

:mad:I just think certain people should be thankful for what the team do to make us happy and entertain us each and every week!:goodvibes Dont bite the hand that feeds you (cake and pie)!
:love:I thank Pete, John, Kevin, Julie, Kathy, Corey, Teresa, Walter and the greatly missed Bawb for cheering me up and making me laugh when times have been hard. They dont need to do it. But they do! :love:

[LilGMom]

It never ceases to amaze me what the onset of a full moon will bring out of people

Speaking of moons.... "New Moon" http://www.instantsmileys.com/smileys/vampire-smiley-10.gifcomes out Nov. 20th!!!! :banana:

we've all watched those informercials and secretly enjoy them sometimes. I know you all have sham-wows in your closets!!! :rotfl2:

The Sham-Wow is right next to the Flobee. :scared1:

Okay, I'm jealous. Everyone has seen up their kimonos, and I haven't.

I don't think I want to see up anyone's kimono! Too much info there. :rolleyes1

So who is with me ...... http://www.anchoredbygrace.com/smileys/lurk.gif or http://www.anchoredbygrace.com/smileys/torte.gif

[L.E. Ott]

ok, I NEVER miss a show but I'm totally not getting the kimono reference :confused3 ... do pete, walter, john, and kevin lounge around in kimonos at home? I'm getting a great mental image of this right now... I wish I knew how to photoshop their faces on this picture:

http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg164/margera_41255_2010_photos/Golden-Girls-tv-show-16.jpg

Apparently you weren't on the cruise then, or you would have seen that they all wear Kimonos while taping the show. And yes, they wear their kimonos like a true Scottsman wears his Kilt.......

Or maybe you just went to that family-friendly, for normal people taping of the podcast.....anyway, there's a mental visual fer ya!!

The Beginning of Every Roundtable Discussion

http://i644.photobucket.com/albums/uu169/LE_Ott/20-2098-VWP2D00Z.jpg

[LilGMom]

L.E. Ott, I have to say that I love your avatar!!! That is such a wonderful movie, dare I say it is one of my favorites.

[Renysmom]

So the cake just came out of the oven,, what type of frosting should I use today? I have buttercream, chocolate, chocolate buttercream and something strawberry, oh yea lemon as well.

[luna99]

Apparently you weren't on the cruise then, or you would have seen that they all wear Kimonos while taping the show. And yes, they wear their kimonos like a true Scottsman wears his Kilt.......

Or maybe you just went to that family-friendly, for normal people taping of the podcast.....anyway, there's a mental visual fer ya!!


ummmm... yeah, I missed all that. seriously? kimonos? lol. hey, whatever feels good to ya. ;):flower3:

[WaltD4Me]

Sorry for being a simpleton, but I don't understand what 'line in the sand' has been crossed when mentioning DU on the podcast (no matter how many times). Is there a Cardinal Rule that has been broken that says you can't mention the source of income that provides for a FREE podcast? I have used DU in the past and I found them because of these boards. I figured that anyone who puts this much effort into all of this free information and weekly podcast discussions must also run an excellent travel agency. I was not disappointed.

Bolded by me. Thank you for making an excellent point.

Although some seem to condesendingly believe us to be blindly niave fools who don't understand that businesses exsist to make money.....

Advertising and marketing are cost centers. Giving away product to promote is part of business. While they have incurred costs for these promotions, do you really think they are giving it all away with no expectation that it will attract more customers?

I believe the better DU does, the better it is for everyone from the Team to the fans. And I truly do not understand how it can be implied that a desire to attract more customers should somehow make anyone the least bit less appreciative of their prize.

[*NikkiBell*]

Eh, don't take it so personally. It's just people sharing opinions

I realize that. I also realize that I'm a sensitive Sally. However, I'm coming from a past experience where a boards site was shut down because of this kind of stuff.

Likewise, I feel very sorry for Pete and the crew when this happens. They work hard and are wonderful people. I don't like seeing my friends critiqued. If that's taking something personally, so be it.

Anyway, who has the cake?

[BRobson]

So the cake just came out of the oven,, what type of frosting should I use today? I have buttercream, chocolate, chocolate buttercream and something strawberry, oh yea lemon as well.

I could go one of each - apart from lemon :hug:

[fakereadhed]

Didn't want to touch this one with a ten foot pole but... this reminds me of when they tried to give away a podcast cruise and there were whiners that ruined it.

Every time DisUnplugged does something for the listeners somebody has to complain about it.

Do I wish I could go on the Adventures by Disney trip? Are you kidding me? But I'm not going to complain that they are offering it and talking about it. In fact, I'm actually looking forward to hearing about it so I'll listen. And I have zero interest in the Universal stuff they talk about so I'll fast forward thru it as usual. Listen to what you want or don't. Who cares.

[wdwowner]

I have no problem with the podcast advertising on the show. The podcast and website is their advertising media.

Has the show changed since Bob's passing, for sure. The humor is not the same, and I feel the happenings in the park are not covered in the same way while Bob handled them. Kathy does a nice job, I just preferred Bob's point of view.

The only downside to all of the special events is the 'clicks' that have developed, those who have been part of things and those who have not and cannot be part of them. It is the slippery slope of doing them, and talking too much about the events before and after will just create a larger divide between all. Just need to be careful of that. JMHO.

[SamIAm21]

There's nothing more I can say in support of the podcast that hasn't already been said, most succinctly by John and I have to stand behind Launchpad too. The military has a way of giving you the insight to cut through all the bull and get to the heart of the matter.

I try to live by the saying, don't look a gift horse in the mouth. Thank you Podcast crew for taking hours out of your busy busy schedules to drive several miles, come together, and discuss with us the events planned by DUT and to update me on the latest goings on in WDW, DL and Universal FOR FREE. For some this journey is easier than others. Corey & Julie now have to pack up half their house just to attend the recording. (Hi Ferris) :rotfl:

Also, thank you for offering me so many opportunities to travel with you and meet you. One of these days when "life" gets easier, I will take you up on that. I'm really going to try for December 2010.

Each week, I look forward to your podcasts and the only times I've been disappointed is when the show had been cancelled -- with good reason of course! I thought yesterday's show was chock-full of great information. I'm off to download the email show!

Thanks again podcast crew for all you do for us. Please don't let a few bad apples reflect poorly on the whole bunch! :lovestruc

[fakereadhed]

The only downside to all of the special events is the 'clicks' that have developed, those who have been part of things and those who have not and cannot be part of them. It is the slippery slope of doing them, and talking too much about the events before and after will just create a larger divide between all. Just need to be careful of that. JMHO.

Where is Kevin and his clique talk? I don't want to misquote him.

My version is toughen up a little. ;)

[luna99]

I realize that. I also realize that I'm a sensitive Sally. However, I'm coming from a past experience where a boards site was shut down because of this kind of stuff.

I'm not saying the DIS is beyond being shut down over this type of stuff.. but I would be very, VERY shocked if that's what came of it... I think the DIS is too well loved by 99.9% of us here (me included even though I hardly ever post anymore) and I don't think the board members and especially the podcast team would let a silly dispute bring the whole thing down!

VIVA LA DIS!! :grouphug:

[wishspirit]

This reminds me of the time my wife and I went to see Celtic Women perform. The lead singer had a cold and was lip syncing the second half of the show. When I commented on their forum about this, I got 300 posts telling me I was crazy, and the "Our Girls" would never do something like that, etc.

Concerning this thread, objectivity has been thrown out the door. Doctorhead is the only voice of reason in this thread. If someone can't make a comment about what they feel would improve the show (whether I agree with it or not), then the show will never improve. It's called FEEDBACK - something I think the podcast crew would WELCOME.

So everyone please disarm by putting down your pom poms.

I'm stepping off my soapbox now. I feel better! :love:

I think they would via the feedback form on the website, by putting on the boards you are opening it up for discussion, and people are gonna get hurt!

I realize that. I also realize that I'm a sensitive Sally. However, I'm coming from a past experience where a boards site was shut down because of this kind of stuff.

Likewise, I feel very sorry for Pete and the crew when this happens. They work hard and are wonderful people. I don't like seeing my friends critiqued. If that's taking something personally, so be it.

Anyway, who has the cake?

I know exactly how you feel, why can't we all get along? We are all people here, with feelings and emotions. Lets not throw stones, but get a long like a the lovely community I know we are deep down! Lets not let this board go the way of the community board please!


The only downside to all of the special events is the 'clicks' that have developed, those who have been part of things and those who have not and cannot be part of them. It is the slippery slope of doing them, and talking too much about the events before and after will just create a larger divide between all. Just need to be careful of that. JMHO.

I am gonna have to dispute this slightly. I have not been to any of these events, heck this is the first time I am going to Disneyworld in 4 years come September! Do I sometimes feel left out cause I think people are having an amazing time? Yes. Do I think there is a clique? Heck no! I am still just as accepted on a Wednesday night chat as I have ever been, people still ask and care about me. The amount of support people have shown to me with exams and everything, as well as other things going on with me is positively overwhelming. These are good boards, full of nice people, all you have to do is put yourself out there.

I'm gonna stop now, I'm getting tearful.

[parrotheadlois]

Where is Kevin and his clique talk? I don't want to misquote him.

My version is toughen up a little. ;)

OK, ot, but I love your Mr. Potatohead!!

and I think I'll have a piece of rum cake tonight! We bought it in Nassau.

[SamIAm21]

The only downside to all of the special events is the 'clicks' that have developed, those who have been part of things and those who have not and cannot be part of them. It is the slippery slope of doing them, and talking too much about the events before and after will just create a larger divide between all. Just need to be careful of that. JMHO.

People who have a "shared" experience are naturally going to congregate and talk about it, but this in my mind doesn't constitute a clique. I've never been shunned or run out of a thread because I didn't make the podcast cruise. I appreciate everyone talking about it because in a small way, I was able to experience what they experienced and by getting everyone's perspective, it was like another piece of the puzzle so to speak. JMHO.

[Schrute Farms]

I think they would via the feedback form on the website, by putting on the boards you are opening it up for discussion, and people are gonna get hurt!


To be fair, Pete has said many times on the Podcast that he is glad to have the instant feedback he gets from the boards.

[wdwowner]

Where is Kevin and his clique talk? I don't want to misquote him.

My version is toughen up a little. ;)

Hey I'm fine. I can handle it. Cliques are here and always be here, on this board and all boards, and overall it is part of life. Sometimes you just have to admit it to yourself. It is a clique just being a member of something for a long time, and a clique just being new. Being a redhead, fake or not, is a clique. People you have 'friended' or 'follow' on social sites, ect... It happens.

It was meant as a suggestion to watch the amount of discussion of events, it can turn off people very quick (not me, I'm still here, but know of some who don't listen or visit anymore).

[jeanigor]

So the cake just came out of the oven,, what type of frosting should I use today? I have buttercream, chocolate, chocolate buttercream and something strawberry, oh yea lemon as well.

Sorry but Lemon frosting on chocolate cake isn't very tasty. I'll take mine plain. Cake is good in and of itself. :cake: Long live cake! :cake:

I've been listening to he podcast for a little over two years now. And for what its worth, I feel that the podcast has changed. And not just with the passing of Bob. It is the way things go. Change is how things survive. If companies didn't try new things, we'd be unhappy and bored. Not every change is good. Can anyone remember Crystal Pepsi? :crazy2: I think the podcast has grown and developed nicely. Are there more announcements about events? Absolutely. Could you expect them to use another company? Nope. To talk strictly about podcasts, there is another one out there that uses about 12% of the show shilling at the beginning and end. I am content with the amount of airtime that Dreams Unlimited gets during the podcast. I think a lot of it has to do with the cruise. There was an increase of mentions about DUT because the trip had to be booked through them, and anytime Tracy's e-mail address was mentioned, it was said again.

I don't understand fast forwarding through parts of the show. I'm sorry but not every part of every show pertains to me. Although it is a great segment and I am quite glad she did it, Julie's piece on the baby stations will not have any impact on me. I didn't fast forward. I wanted to hear her experience and gain knowledge. In my opinion its like fast forwarding through the 6 o'clock news. Not everything has a direct influence on my life. But I watch it to be a better informed, more well rounded human being. I guess if you don't want to hear about some special events that are being held for DIS'ers, go ahead and fast forward.

As far as the content and peanut gallery are concerned. I am sorry. I like it. On both counts. I am a Disney enthusiast. It is my happy place. It makes me feel whole. I have Disney songs on my iPod. I have Disney CD's in my car. I have three and a half shelves of Disney Animated Features in my DVD library. I have my spare bedroom decorated in Disney. I put up a Disney Christmas tree. I do though, enjoy hearing about other things in Orlando than just WDW. As a cast member, I went to US/IoA a few times (and enjoyed myself). I think if the show were to be unilaterally about visiting and touring Disney parks, the show would be weaker. I am also glad that Teresa, Kathy and Walter have regular spots on the show. As was evident in this week's e-mail show, there are differing opinions (this time about a park hopper for a first time visitor). The differing opinions and Disney experience levels help the listeners. I also enjoy when Stella has some input too.:goodvibes

I can also understand about how the show got back to a 'normal show'. The couple weeks leading up the cruise, I know there was a lot of cruise talk. As someone that was fortunate enough to go, I was grateful for that. But I can understand the frustration behind the folks that didn't go. It was similar during Mousefest last year. It made me melancholy that I couldn't attend. But I listened, hoping to hear how much fun everyone would have--without me. (Turns out I did go, even if it was in 2D.) I expect much of the same with the DIS-a-palooza event this winter and the ABD Disneyland 2010. I will wish I was there, but still look forward to hearing all about it. And the with marathon weekend, PCC 1.5, and PCC 2.0, which I am planning on attending.

[CastawayJP]

I have to say that I do think that the podcast has changed, but not for the worse. IMO the changes have come because of the demand of the listeners and board members. There is more talk about Dreams events, because there are more Dreams events than in the past! I just wish I coauld take part in some of them!

I love the fact that they are offering these events for us, and I think it is great that Pete and John have been able to pull in more business because of them. I never used a TA before I listened to the show, but because I wanted to support them and give back in some way, I started using Dreams for our cruises, and other Disney outings. I could not be happier!

Something else that I appreciate about Pete and John is that they are committed to making these events top notch. I have not been able to participate in any of them yet, but will in the future because of all the positiove feedback I have heard.

And one last thing. I listen to a lot of Disney podcasts, and the DIS Unplugged is by far the one that gives back to the listeners the most. Because Pete and John are owners of Dreams they have the know how and resources to do more than the rest of the podcasts out there. As John said in his post, they are willing to take a financial hit to make our experiences much better, and I appreciate that.

I love the show... I love Dreams Unlimited... I love the DIS...

Thank you Pete, John, Kevin, Corey, Julie, Kathy, Theresa, Walter, and of couse Bob!

[fakereadhed]

OK, ot, but I love your Mr. Potatohead!!

and I think I'll have a piece of rum cake tonight! We bought it in Nassau.

Thanks!
http://disney-clipart.com/toy-story/toy-story-animations.php

[Leigha]

My two cents are that it is their show and they can do what they want with it. I can choose to listen or not. You can hardly call it advertising since, for example, the Adventures by Disney trips are really so limited in number. Although it is a little sad to hear about all these nice trips I can't afford to go on, that feeling is greatly outweighed by the enjoyment I get by listening to them tell me about their amazing adventures! THANKS for all the time you guys put in!

[fakereadhed]

Being a redhead, fake or not, is a clique.

Really?:confused3

Could someone in my clique please pass the cake...

[wdwowner]

Really?:confused3

Could someone in my clique please pass the cake...

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/6/6c/25th_Celebration_Cinderella_Castle_1997.jpg/397px-25th_Celebration_Cinderella_Castle_1997.jpg

[Schrute Farms]

Really?:confused3

Could someone in my clique please pass the cake...

I just had some peach cobbler, but I don't have red hair. I am so confused because no one has told me what clique to report too.

[irunnoft]

The day of Bob's memorial service you said to Kevin and I "I was hoping Pete was here. I thought if he spent time with me he would hire me on the spot to replace Bob". Not only did I hear you say that, Kevin was there as well. This goes down as the single, tackiest thing anyone has every said to me in any situation.


:eek::eek::eek:

[DVCsince02]

Two of our favorite things.....iPhone and cake.


http://www.larissameek.com/wp-content/uploads/iphone-cake.jpg

[Nom]

I don't understand fast forwarding through parts of the show. I'm sorry but not every part of every show pertains to me. Although it is a great segment and I am quite glad she did it, Julie's piece on the baby stations will not have any impact on me. I didn't fast forward. I wanted to hear her experience and gain knowledge. In my opinion its like fast forwarding through the 6 o'clock news. Not everything has a direct influence on my life. But I watch it to be a better informed, more well rounded human being. I guess if you don't want to hear about some special events that are being held for DIS'ers, go ahead and fast forward.

That's not really it- it's not that the promotions don't pertain to me. The reason I fast forward during housekeeping recently is that it just gets boring, in my option, to hear the same promotional messages every week over and over again. I don't feel bad that I did not go on the cruise (although I am sure it would have been fun and I am considering joining the 2010 cruise). I just get bored listening to what seems like 20 min worth of ads each week. But I don't begrudge them- I just fast forward.

[L.E. Ott]

A couple of things I thought about...

Imagine a world where DU and the DIS do so well that no matter what time of year, or which coast you go to, there's a DIS/DU sponsered fan appreciation event going on while you are there.........How many of you just smiled? That fantasy isn't so far fetched. Know why? Because DU and DIS are so SUCCESSFUL!

Here's another one. The content of the podcasts must be pretty informative, correct, and appreciated by fans considering it got the attention of Lee Cockerell, The Disney Institute, and quite a few current Disney suits. From what I understand, it's pretty hard to get the Disney Juggernaut to take notice....

[wishspirit]

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/6/6c/25th_Celebration_Cinderella_Castle_1997.jpg/397px-25th_Celebration_Cinderella_Castle_1997.jpg

Oh Goodness! I almost forgot how nasty the castle looked back then!

Thank goodness that's gone!

[corky441]

I've been listening to he podcast for a little over two years now. And for what its worth, I feel that the podcast has changed. And not just with the passing of Bob. It is the way things go. Change is how things survive. If companies didn't try new things, we'd be unhappy and bored. Not every change is good. Can anyone remember Crystal Pepsi? :crazy2: I think the podcast has grown and developed nicely. Are there more announcements about events? Absolutely. Could you expect them to use another company? Nope. To talk strictly about podcasts, there is another one out there that uses about 12% of the show shilling at the beginning and end. I am content with the amount of airtime that Dreams Unlimited gets during the podcast. I think a lot of it has to do with the cruise. There was an increase of mentions about DUT because the trip had to be booked through them, and anytime Tracy's e-mail address was mentioned, it was said again.

I don't understand fast forwarding through parts of the show. I'm sorry but not every part of every show pertains to me. Although it is a great segment and I am quite glad she did it, Julie's piece on the baby stations will not have any impact on me. I didn't fast forward. I wanted to hear her experience and gain knowledge. In my opinion its like fast forwarding through the 6 o'clock news. Not everything has a direct influence on my life. But I watch it to be a better informed, more well rounded human being. I guess if you don't want to hear about some special events that are being held for DIS'ers, go ahead and fast forward.

As far as the content and peanut gallery are concerned. I am sorry. I like it. On both counts. I am a Disney enthusiast. It is my happy place. It makes me feel whole. I have Disney songs on my iPod. I have Disney CD's in my car. I have three and a half shelves of Disney Animated Features in my DVD library. I have my spare bedroom decorated in Disney. ). I think if the show were to be unilaterally about visiting and touring Disney parks, the show would be weaker. I am also glad that Teresa, Kathy and Walter have regular spots on the show. As was evident in this week's e-mail show, there are differing opinions (this time about a park hopper for a first time visitor). The differing opinions and Disney experience levels help the listeners. I also enjoy when Stella has some input too.:goodvibes

I can also understand about how the show got back to a 'normal show'. The couple weeks leading up the cruise, I know there was a lot of cruise talk. As someone that was fortunate enough to go, I was grateful for that. But I can understand the frustration behind the folks that didn't go. It was similar during Mousefest last year. It made me melancholy that I couldn't attend. But I listened, hoping to hear how much fun everyone would have--without me. (Turns out I did go, even if it was in 2D.) I expect much of the same with the DIS-a-palooza event this winter and the ABD Disneyland 2010. I will wish I was there, but still look forward to hearing all about it. And the with marathon weekend, PCC 1.5, and PCC 2.0, which I am planning on attending.

My sentiments exactly :thumbsup2

And to JOHN - BRAVO !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Thank you for speaking up & standing up for the Podcast & Dreams and most of all your Friends

[wildeoscar]

Hm, you have your version of what happened, it doesn't seem to account with mine... if it was the singular most tacky thing said to you at Bob's wake, how did it become an invite to do a meal review?

I refute some of what you say, and most of what you imply. In regard to my original points... which are untrue?

It is long into the show before there is content that is not related to promotion of Dreams Events. (by this I mean recently)

Disboards has in the past used the profanity filter to **** names and terms of competitors. (I can understand not allowing people to promote their products, then it would be nothing but spam... but not allowing anyone to mention them?)

Disboards and the show are an excellent marketing platform.

Some involved with the show, were not fans of Disney and the parks.

There is increased content about non-disney related material. (there used to be a separate show to cover universal, which was great... my memory of universal is that is smells like stale beer)

The show is increasingly about promoting Dreams product and less about Disney content. (haven't listened to this weeks show, but since returning from the cruise, it would be 30+ min. into the show before anything not related to upcoming Dreams events is the topic)

My public email address has not and is not linked to paypal.

Changing the topic to my having a fleeting interest in joining the show a couple years ago is an interesting retort. That interest died. This is a recent example of why...

I have the best team EVER. When I say that the podcast cruise was a team effort, I mean it sincerely. The reason we kick the @ss of every other site, travel agency and podcast out there is because I have a team that is second to none - and if anyone doubts it, I submit this podcast cruise as exhibit A to prove my point.

It this being gracious? Is there no other way to recognize your team than putting down others? I sat though a great presentation by Lee Cockrell that everyone is important. Is beating up and belittling your competitors really necessary? There have been many times that apologies have had to be made over content of the show. There have been rants I found offensive. I don't recall the exact rant, but I do remember thinking... on the surface this seems great, but after hearing all that, it probably isn't. That changed my mind about the nature of working with the show. Asking around to folks that have done business with, or been the subject of one of "Pete's Rants" doesn't paint a very pretty picture.

Someone else brought up the topic that the show is spending a lot of time on self promotion. Others have agreed.

[jeanigor]

The only downside to all of the special events is the 'clicks' that have developed, those who have been part of things and those who have not and cannot be part of them. It is the slippery slope of doing them, and talking too much about the events before and after will just create a larger divide between all. Just need to be careful of that. JMHO.

I hope that you just used the wrong word.

a clique is defined as: "a narrow exclusive circle or group of persons ; especially, one held together by common interests, views, or purposes"

I have never encountered anyone on the boards or in person that was exclusive to people. I have found just the opposite. I have found everyone inclusive. I find the DIS to be the antithesis to a clique.

[dalt01]

The day of Bob's memorial service you said to Kevin and I "I was hoping Pete was here. I thought if he spent time with me he would hire me on the spot to replace Bob". Not only did I hear you say that, Kevin was there as well. This goes down as the single, tackiest thing anyone has every said to me in any situation.



i do not think i would use a funeral as a launching pad for a job interview unless i was applying as an undertaker.:sad1: :laughing:

[wildeoscar]

It will be a couple days before I have a chance to reply, I have to go be a part of gay days. A topic of another one of Pete's rants that some people find offensive...

By Pete Werner
DIS Founder/Webmaster

Authors Note: This article pertains mainly to the Saturday event during Gay Days. The rest of the week is fairly benign. My suggestion to those who wish to avoid the event is to avoid the Magic Kingdom on the first Saturday of June. During the week, a different theme park is featured for the "Gay Days" event. If you wish to avoid the crowds, I suggest that you avoid the scheduled park for that day.

The Gay Days schedule for 2008:
Thu, June 5 - Animal Kingdom
Fri, June 6 - Disney's Hollywood Studios
Sat, June 7 - Magic Kingdom
Sun, June 8 - Epcot

“Go get a room”.

That’s exactly what I feel like yelling this time every year as Gay Days descend upon Orlando. I know that during the first week in June, unsuspecting families and otherwise good and reasonable people will, at times, be confronted with images and events they would probably rather not see or experience on their family vacation. These people paid to visit Disney World, but during the first week in June, it looks a lot more like South Beach.

For the record, I’m a 42 year old gay man living in Orlando. I’ve been to Gay Days before, and thought it was a little bit over the top, but always bit my lip – especially here on the site. This year though, it just seems completely out of control, and I wanted to get this off my chest.

I’ve watched over the years as Gay Days has grown in scope and size. What once was a small group of well meaning gay men and lesbians has grown – and in my opinion, deformed – into what is now nothing more than a vile spectacle of self indulgence and indecency.

No matter how prudish that last sentence may sound, trust me – I’m no prude. I have a liberal streak that cuts through me like a hot knife through butter, but I like to think that I was raised with a certain sense of decency and a pretty good sense of right and wrong. There is a time and a place for everything, and Disney World is neither in this instance.

Over the years I have heard about, and have witnessed, what is commonly referred to as PDA (public displays of affection) during gay days, and almost always it’s done in full view of a family, or at least children. I don’t care if you’re straight or gay, there are some things kids don’t need to see – and trust me, two queens frenching outside Cinderella castle is really high on that list.

I can’t help but think of, and feel sorry for – the unsuspecting family who saved for years for a once in a lifetime trip – only to arrive and find that Disney had in fact, been invaded by he-women and shaved down muscle boys. By itself that would not be a problem, but the sheer number of people who seem to go out of their way to rub their sexuality in everyones face during this ‘event’ is nothing short of disgraceful. Is the Magic Kingdom REALLY the place for a 5 year old to ask his father why those two men are kissing? Is it really up to any person to decide for that parent when, or if, they will have that conversation with their child? I’ve always believed the best way we, as gay men and lesbians, could further our cause was to simply live our lives openly, and with dignity. Not hide in shame, and not force our beliefs or lifestyle down anyone elses throat. I don’t like it when I hear pompous windbags telling me I’m going to burn in hell for being gay, and I’m sure most of the free world would appreciate a visit to Disney World that did not include the vision of grown men in go-go shorts, and ads for lubricant prominently displayed throughout the host hotel. Oh, and while we’re on the subject of ‘image’ at the host hotel (the Sheraton World on International Drive)– the line of beer trucks outside the resort was a nice touch, and the liquor kiosks and condom ads every 5 feet will certainly not further the image of us as a bunch of drunken sex fiends.

The argument is often put forth that since Christian groups congregate at Disney World, why not us? Fair enough, except that the ‘Night of Joy’ (the Christian concert that takes place at the Magic Kingdom each year) is a hard ticket event – meaning that it’s not open to the public, and requires separate admission. The Magic Kingdom is closed down to the public at a certain time, and only those people that CHOOSE to be there are allowed in. Families that come to the Magic Kingdom on Gay Days are not afforded the luxury of choice. Since Disney does not sanction the event, it’s not mentioned anywhere, or to anyone booking a reservation during that week. If “Gay Day” at the Magic Kingdom was a hard ticket event like the Night of Joy, sign me up. But it’s not – it’s far from it. Trust me, if a religious group organized 100,000 Christians to go and ‘make yourself known’ in the Magic Kingdom one day a year – and began rubbing their lifestyles in the faces of visitors by preaching to them as they tried to ride Space Mountain – plenty of people would be up in arms.

Then there is the issue of drugs. It is widely known throughout the gay community in Orlando that if you want good drugs and great sex, the first week of June is a great time to visit. So much so, that the Orange County Sheriffs office found it necessary to station deputies and drug sniffing dogs in the lobby of the host hotel. And before the oppression chorus starts warming up, just get real – we all know that it goes on in droves during gay week – and it’s not ‘oppression’ if it’s justified. I don’t mean to imply that every person attending gay days is a drug crazed lunatic – the vast majority are not – but no one in the gay community can deny how pervasive this problem is, and the problem travels with us.

Now, I have to tell you I’m uncomfortable writing this. In the 8 years I’ve had the site, I’ve never used it to espouse my beliefs – political or otherwise, and I doubt seriously I ever will again. But, I know a little something about Disney, and as a gay man – I feel I had something to say on this issue – something that should be said, something that many good, decent and reasonable people feel – but will never openly express for fear of ‘political incorrectness’.

I’m also more than a little fed up. I’m fed up with the world thinking that this is what being gay in America is all about – it’s not. I’m fed up that those of us with some sense of ourselves outside of circuit parties and body building are painted with this tawdry brush. But most of all, I’m fed up with watching a place I love get defiled by the kind of twisted nonsense that routinely takes place during Gay Days. The Magic Kingdom is not the place to make a stand, or to further an agenda. While Disney does not openly promote or discourage the event, I know that many inside the mouse house dread its arrival every year. It’s a political land mine and Disney does their best to walk it very carefully. In my mind, Disney already does it right. I’ve stayed at Disney hotels, sailed on the Disney Cruise Line and probably eaten in every restaurant on Disney property – on both coasts– and done all of it with my male partner. NEVER ONCE was I treated any differently than any other guest – it was a non issue – the way it should be. That’s Disney's policy and it’s a good one. In return for that, my partner and I act appropriately when we’re in public – the way any couple should – straight or gay.

And before I get any emails from my gay brethren calling me a ‘self loathing aunt tom’ (someone actually called me that once), let me be clear – I’m proud of who and what I am. I just don’t feel the need to force feed it to the world in that way. Disney is a place where reality is suspended, at least for a time. It’s not a place for anyone’s political agenda – right or left. Keep Key West in Key West – and let Disney be Disney.

[TexDisFan]

Amazing, truly amazing! :sad2:

[WaltD4Me]

Seriously Rex. It's time to stop.

[wildeoscar]

Originally Posted by WebmasterJohn

The day of Bob's memorial service you said to Kevin and I "I was hoping Pete was here. I thought if he spent time with me he would hire me on the spot to replace Bob". Not only did I hear you say that, Kevin was there as well. This goes down as the single, tackiest thing anyone has every said to me in any situation.


i do not think i would use a funeral as a launching pad for a job interview unless i was applying as an undertaker.

for the sake of argument, I'll state again... not only is this not what happened, if I was that offensive why was I invited to do a review a month later?

[Clique]

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[dalt01]

for the sake of argument, I'll state again... not only is this not what happened, if I was that offensive why was I invited to do a review a month later? i have alway found that when the arguement is so polar opposite the truth lies somewhere near the equator.:)

[WaltD4Me]

It this being gracious?

I find it quite funny that you are questioning the graciousness of anyone.

[corky441]

Seriously Rex. It's time to stop.

Please...

[Schrute Farms]

for the sake of argument, I'll state again... not only is this not what happened, if I was that offensive why was I invited to do a review a month later?


You make good points occasionally, but they are lost by your venum and agenda.

[dalt01]

You make good points occasionally, but they are lost by your venum and agenda. i would think he knows that any "agenda" he had died at 9:26 pm yesterday.:)

[dixiegirl]

Wow! That is amazing and very sad. If you do not like what you see on the site, the boards, or the podcast then don't post or listen. Find somewhere else to spend your time but please do not further ruin it for those of us that truly enjoy being here!

[jeanigor]

You make good points occasionally, but they are lost by your venum and agenda.

Wow! That is amazing and very sad. If you do not like what you see on the site, the boards, or the podcast then don't post or listen. Find somewhere else to spend your time but please do not further ruin it for those of us that truly enjoy being here!

Two very valid points.

[bcvdreamer]

This thread makes me sick. I wasn’t going to post, but here goes.

First, Pete and John are not only business geniuses, but they are generous and genuine. They treat their employees like family, and that is why they are successful. They offer a great Free product for us to come to everyday for our Disney escape. The podcast should change and evolve. It only gets better.

Thanks Pete/John and the rest of the amazing podcast crew. I haven’t had the opportunity to attend any events, and I like to hear what’s going on…a girl can dream.

The best part of this board was that it was free of this nonsense.

Why do a few people have to ruin things? Grow up. My ds came home yesterday saying that a 10th grader in school committed suicide…it’s the 3rd suicide this year in his school. As parents we are faced with the hows, why’s and tell our kids that things are never that bad. Three families are dealing with the unimaginable. Where do the bullies come from that cause such anguish in our children?

My point of relaying this sad event is that words hurt…whether spoken or written, no matter what your age. Life's way to short, so stop this nonsense.

What is your agenda? Why do people come here to post things that they know will upset and infuriate others? Is it worth it?

If you don’t like the rules, views or podcasts just do us all a favor and leave quietly.

Who has more cake and ice cream too?

[L.E. Ott]

Wow.

I'mat a total loss for words at this point. I've been the instigator of some serious flaming threads before (not here, thankfully), and this one leaves them in the dust. I also think this is a prime example of how an opinion can be expressed, over and over again, that's contrary to what's established and expected, and continue to go unchecked by board administrators, here on the DIS. Most other places, this would have been shut down long ago. If this isn't an example of an open fourm, I don't know what is.

[lovethecastle]

May I say I was shocked & disgusted that somone would use a memorial as a job interview. Talk about self-serving.
As for the new additions to the podcast not being known fans of disney-I like that. Not everyone who listens to the podcast is an expert so learning new things is great.
Truly I was surprised at the anger & yes, venom of some the these posts.
These boards are not about world peace they are about a very happy place.

[dixiegirl]

Cake!!??!! Did someone say cake?? There is always room for cake.

[wishspirit]

In the words of Bawb:

'Delete, Delete, Delete'


Now, who's for cake??? I have some Bakewell Tarts here if you'd like one?

[disneym2m]

Okay...am I going to have to draw two character graphic. One wearing a shirt that says "I support Rex". And the one wearing a shirt that says "I support The Dis Team". :rotfl:

Am I self promoting?????

[dalt01]

Wow.

I'mat a total loss for words at this point. I've been the instigator of some serious flaming threads before (not here, thankfully), and this one leaves them in the dust. I also think this is a prime example of how an opinion can be expressed, over and over again, that's contrary to what's established and expected, and continue to go unchecked by board administrators, here on the DIS. Most other places, this would have been shut down long ago. If this isn't an example of an open fourm, I don't know what is. it seems as it is a very "in" thing. playing out almost as a private conversation between the two protagonists. oh and i want the extra frosting from the edges of the cake please.

[irunnoft]

It will be a couple days before I have a chance to reply, I have to go be a part of gay days. A topic of another one of Pete's rants that some people find offensive...

I read Pete's rant on gay days called "Get a Room!" and I really appreciated his candor. He was right on the money with every single thing he said and I really appreciated it. I gained a LOT of respect for him when I read that blog.

[dixiegirl]

In the words of Bawb:

'Delete, Delete, Delete'



Classis BAWB! Don't ya know nuthin?!

[irunnoft]

May I say I was shocked & disgusted that somone would use a memorial as a job interview. Talk about self-serving.
As for the new additions to the podcast not being known fans of disney-I like that. Not everyone who listens to the podcast is an expert so learning new things is great.
Truly I was surprised at the anger & yes, venom of some the these posts.
These boards are not about world peace they are about a very happy place.

I think we went beyond venom to vitriol and vilification.

[aaronmckie]

As far as the content and peanut gallery are concerned. I am sorry. I like it. On both counts. I am a Disney enthusiast. It is my happy place. It makes me feel whole. I have Disney songs on my iPod. I have Disney CD's in my car. I have three and a half shelves of Disney Animated Features in my DVD library. I have my spare bedroom decorated in Disney. I put up a Disney Christmas tree. I do though, enjoy hearing about other things in Orlando than just WDW. As a cast member, I went to US/IoA a few times (and enjoyed myself). I think if the show were to be unilaterally about visiting and touring Disney parks, the show would be weaker. I am also glad that Teresa, Kathy and Walter have regular spots on the show. As was evident in this week's e-mail show, there are differing opinions (this time about a park hopper for a first time visitor). The differing opinions and Disney experience levels help the listeners. I also enjoy when Stella has some input too.:goodvibes


I promised myself that I wasn't going to post in this thread but I've just gotta :hug: Todd for this.
And for the DIS team :grouphug: :love:

[corky441]

In the words of Bawb:

'Delete, Delete, Delete'




BOB WOULD BE SO ASHAMED OF ALL OF THIS:sad1:

It needs to be finished....

[Halloweenqueen]

What this thread needs:



http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b20/halloweenqueen1031/easy.jpg


:lmao:

[Jennygt]

Ok this is it for me, I hate to even post here, i want this thread to just die out, but I have to say, Rex enough already, I think you shoud just enjoy disney, perhaps this pocast is just not for you anymore.