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Tigger031266
05-30-2009, 07:22 PM
Well fellow SSR owners, what happened to DTD since we all bought. We lost Adventurers club, Comedy Club, Virgin Records and a host of other clubs.

We gained Irish Pub, Dinosor Restaurant and a ballon ride.

I sadly miss Adventures and comedy club. Can Disney fix DTD? Is it borken?

oakmanner
05-30-2009, 08:03 PM
I too am disappointed with all the closings. However, I have decided to give them a couple years and see what they actually put in those locations before passing judgment. We ate at Raglan Road last week and really enjoyed it. I believe the new South American eatery is due to open any day now.

CarolynK
05-30-2009, 08:41 PM
Well fellow SSR owners, what happened to DTD since we all bought. We lost Adventurers club, Comedy Club, Virgin Records and a host of other clubs.

We gained Irish Pub, Dinosor Restaurant and a ballon ride.

I sadly miss Adventures and comedy club. Can Disney fix DTD? Is it borken?

This is not just an issue for SSR owners - we are DVC owners, i.e. repeat visitors, who look for something to do at night.
Downtown Disney was something to do in the evenings that didn't involve eating. The Adventurer's Club, The Comedy Warehouse, etc. was entertainment. We don't go to WDW to shop. Shopping at WDW is something we do at the parks for the air-conditioning. We will NOT be going to DTD in the evening anymore.
Apparently, Disney wants its repeat visitors to look off property for evening entertainment....

Ksp
05-30-2009, 09:49 PM
We miss the Adventurer's Club and the Comedy Club, too!! :confused3 Raglan Road is very nice . . . guess we'll see what the new places are like, but I will miss AC and CC very much.

Disney_Villain
05-30-2009, 10:13 PM
We never really cared for the old DTD. With the nightclubs gone, there will be less drunks skipping through SSR - and that we're happy about.

The balloon ride sounds like a great addition to DTD and we're excited to ride it this fall.

wdwnut
05-31-2009, 12:24 AM
I miss the AC and CW too. Only went to DTD this past trip to take my DGS and DGD to T-Rex. Won't be going back to DTD anytime soon.

Disneypirate85
05-31-2009, 06:19 AM
We have been to DTD twice during late evening once I was 27 and the last time 37 truthfully, freaked me out! I love to have a good time but once it went free to just hang out it got pretty weird in there after dark and I am a sheriffs deputy. Trying to not knock locals too much but dang who raised them ppl? DW and I DONOT allow any of our kids to go there (the older ones) still after 10:00pm.
That being said we do love DTD just not after dark. Shawnpirate:

DisneyDebRob
05-31-2009, 07:11 AM
They really do need to come up with something at DTD for us adults that we can have fun with after the parks close.Alot more restaurants,well,not sure if thats the answer.The AC and CC were a blast and something we looked forward to on our yearly visits.We enjoy shopping so we still go over a couple of nights but theres only so much you can do.With Virgin gone,well,that takes about 3 hrs of browsing away for me so not a whole lot to do on the west side now except for an occasional show at HOB. I guess now we will mostly enjoy our strolls and watching everyone leave the parks when they close and kill an hour or so that way.We can also go to the boardwalk area which seems to have more for us to do anywhere now. They are missing a big part of our dollars by not having something strictly for the adults.Then on the other hand, Disney has been known to surprise us so maybe something is in the works. We can only hope!!:yay:

WolfpackFan
05-31-2009, 07:43 AM
No loss to me at all. After a day at the parks, I have little interest in walking around DTD at night. It's always too crowded and hot anyway. I'd just as soon go back and relax in my home away from home. Also, DTD is the only area of Disney where I've actually been concerned security wise - I've seen some pretty drunk people there. I do like T-Rex though.

rutgers1
05-31-2009, 10:42 AM
I am a fan of DTD, or at least the "idea" of DTD. When we go to Disney, we always break up our day into three sessions - morning, afternoon and night, so there is always time for a visit or two to DTD. We find it to be a nice diversion after days at the parks. I think there is a way to address security concerns without tearing out the clubs and such. You'd think that tons of businesses would be dying to get a piece of the Disney property, so I have no idea why they are having a hard time filling the place up with exciting options for guests.

I think a theater district would go over well. I know that they already have the Cirque, but perhaps a couple of Broadway or off Broadway type theaters, or how about a dinner theater? If they don't want nutty people from town visiting, they could work hard to make sure that it appeals to everyone but that "bad" demographic. In other words, have stores and attractions (Dinosaur Cafe) for the kids, as well as stores and attractions for people over 30 (upscale restaurants, dinner theater, etc.).

I refuse to believe that Disney would let this area die.

PurpleTurtle
05-31-2009, 10:45 AM
Also, DTD is the only area of Disney where I've actually been concerned security wise - I've seen some pretty drunk people there.

A year ago, I took my then 9yo to Epcot in the evening, and it was the first time I was ever concerned about safety in a Disney park. There was a drunk guy acting, well, like an obnoxious drunk guy in the line and then on the ride at Test Track. I don't think I'll go late to Epcot or any of the other parks or areas where they serve alcohol anymore. I was not at all comfortable with the situation. Frankly, I wish they'd do away with serving alcohol in all of these areas. It just aids people in acting stupid. It's Disney, and I just never saw what 'Pleasure Island' and late night partying had to do with the 'vision' in the first place. I get that it's a money maker, but I just don't think it's what Disney is/should be all about.

Kim&Chris
05-31-2009, 12:01 PM
We never really cared for the old DTD. With the nightclubs gone, there will be less drunks skipping through SSR - and that we're happy about.

The balloon ride sounds like a great addition to DTD and we're excited to ride it this fall.

I could not agree more.

wheelcap
05-31-2009, 01:54 PM
We never really cared for the old DTD. With the nightclubs gone, there will be less drunks skipping through SSR - and that we're happy about.

The balloon ride sounds like a great addition to DTD and we're excited to ride it this fall.

AGREED! Disney WILL BE sooo much better without it. :thumbsup2

littlestar
05-31-2009, 02:14 PM
I like it better without the clubs. It was starting to get scary at night. I do miss the Virgin store, though. Hopefully something similar will replace it.

Crystal_27
05-31-2009, 02:19 PM
A year ago, I took my then 9yo to Epcot in the evening, and it was the first time I was ever concerned about safety in a Disney park. There was a drunk guy acting, well, like an obnoxious drunk guy in the line and then on the ride at Test Track.

People acting out of control because they've had too much to drink is not only limited to theme parks. Now that the summer weather is upon us, DH and I frequently see people who get sloppy because they've had too much to drink at many of our favorite "patio" restaurants. And, while we're certainly not concerned about our safety, it is unfortunate that our DD has to be subjected to their behavior. Still, I also know that I can't control others so I take the opportunity to explain to her that some behavior isn't acceptable in public, and leave it at that. That said, I think that Disney could have done a better job policing DTD and not let people get out of control instead of simply doing away with Pleasure Island all together. Further, we typically go, as a family, to DTD several times during a week's trip to walk around and shop and I've never (either before or after Pleasure Island's closure) experienced anyone who was out of control or even obnoxious. It will be interesting to see how the new "nightlife" shapes up at DTD...

Tigger031266
05-31-2009, 03:09 PM
I think a theater district would go over well. I know that they already have the Cirque, but perhaps a couple of Broadway or off Broadway type theaters, or how about a dinner theater? If they don't want nutty people from town visiting, they could work hard to make sure that it appeals to everyone but that "bad" demographic. In other words, have stores and attractions (Dinosaur Cafe) for the kids, as well as stores and attractions for people over 30 (upscale restaurants, dinner theater, etc.).

I would love to see a broadway type show at DTD. I think Disney needs better dinner shows. Hoop Dee Doo and the Luoa is great the first time. I would love to see a magic dinner show with a great magician. Disney should be able to pull of a dinner show maybe rotate Comedy, Magic, Broadway, Rock....).

Conan the Librarian
05-31-2009, 03:11 PM
Rumor Alert!

Back in March, while standing in front of the Adventurer's Club pining away, we talked to a CM who said that the AC 'MIGHT' be turned into a dinner theatre, with the same themeing as the AC, but, with food. If they did something similar to that with the Comedy Club, that would be too cool.

If you want, you can click on this link to see a couple of pictures of the AC that I took at that time.

http://home.comcast.net/~waccoo/panorama/advent.jpg

and

http://home.comcast.net/~waccoo/panorama/adventure2.jpg

jimbostacks
05-31-2009, 06:47 PM
Lots of good suggestions...I do miss the CW, and based on comments over and over again..I must have missed some fun times at AC. There is a ton of stuff that could work, with OKW, POR, SSR, THV, and the other area non-Disney Hotels, there is definietly enough folks to support more action. I cannot take more than an hour of shopping.

We have a large a diverse age extended family...would love..

- Dinner show or comedy club part II..would be fine.
- Would love some character meals in the area...SSR, or DTD somewhere...on a boat at Fultons would be cool.
- live bands or music..piano bar...not jelly rolls, but just some live music that is not Heavy Metal loud.

***I hear you on the "over served", but I personally love walking around Epcot at night with a cold one, or ending the night at DHS at Fantasmic with a beverage of choice. We tend to leave relatively early and must miss when it gets a little crazy.

Mississippian
05-31-2009, 07:39 PM
I don't like Downtown Disney at all, but if they were to have a Broadway type show, I would beat a path, provided I wanted to see the show.

I don't understand needing to go to DTD for entertainment. The Boardwalk has great nighttime entertainment. There's plenty to do at the monorail resorts. Why in the world would anyone want to go to DTD? I've never really understood.

wulfekamp
05-31-2009, 07:58 PM
I had heard Disney was having problems with security at DTD. Locals I think. I think they had to make a change. I'm sure they will come up with something good. I do enjoy a adult beverage in the evenings but I hate Drunks. I just don't get it. Spend a bunch of money buying drinks to act stupid. I can do stupid without the drinks I've seen me do it.

buzz5985
06-01-2009, 01:12 AM
I had heard Disney was having problems with security at DTD. Locals I think. I think they had to make a change. I'm sure they will come up with something good. I do enjoy a adult beverage in the evenings but I hate Drunks. I just don't get it. Spend a bunch of money buying drinks to act stupid. I can do stupid without the drinks I've seen me do it.

We spoke to some local Police our last trip, about a week before it closed. They told us it was being closed due to gang activity and being afraid that the problems were escalating out of control.

Dizny Dad
06-01-2009, 06:10 AM
DW and I find no loss in the changes at Pleasure Island. We found it to be intimidating in 1990 with so many young drunks, jello shots for sale on the plaza, people running around with drinks in hand sloshing them here and there. We re-visited in 1998 and found it different but just as uncomforting, just plain out of any reasonable control. We found the best way to enjoy Pleasure Island in the evenings was to be in the hot tub at Congress Park and seeing the action from a distance.

As frequent visitors, we do expect the controlled atmoshpere that Disney is famous for, with security in the croud but not in your face, and the feeling that one doesn't have to watch their back to be safe. Most of the world offers the "be careful after dark" experience. Disney offers the promise of a difference. We are glad to see they are moving to keep the magic in place!

To those that will miss the atmosphere that once was, please remember that Orlando offers many many places to feel the call of the jungle, but few for those that wish a truely Disney Family experience.

gkrykewy
06-01-2009, 07:24 AM
Raglan Road is amazing, and the balloon seems cool too. Most importantly, though, I thank the OP for adding the word "borken" to my repertoire. Great word.

movie77
06-01-2009, 10:52 AM
Let's just make WDW dry and only allow those with kids to enter. I have two kids myself, but the wife and I actually enjoyed (gasp) 8 trax and mannaquins on occasion. We don't get downtown to go dancing anymore with the kids, but we enjoyed being able to do that at Disney. I think losing Pleasure Island was a big mistake. There were other steps they could of taken to clean up the place, but I think they used that as an excuse to make more poor decisions.

Chellymouse
06-01-2009, 02:14 PM
Maybe I'm about to be flamed, but here goes. I miss PI! DH and I loved most of the clubs and it's one of the few times DH will actually take me out dancing! Having said that, Atlantic Dance Hall and Jellyrolls are ok, but unless one is staying at BWV or BCV, it's a pure pain in tailfeathers to enjoy what skimpy night life is now offered. This is primarily due to a lack of decent transportation. PI didn't use to be all that bad, BEFORE, when you had to pay and show ID at the bridge and no one under 21 was permitted to enter otherwise at that point. Disney's big mistake, IMHO, is when PI was opened up to families to "cut through" instead of having to use the area under the bridge or walk around. Once that was done away with, it seemed to get bad in a hurry with more people complaining about people who are "over-served" (to borrow a nice way to put it from OP) and it seemed like the number of locals increased tremendously from that point forward. Now, we are stuck with an $80 cab ride to go to CityWalk (now we only go out one night) for our adult entertainment. Face it, we all have our opinions on what nightlife should be offered for the adults and furthermore, who hasn't seen someone who has been "drinking around the world" and gotten sloppy? Is this good Disney behavior, or anywhere else for that matter, absolutely not. The few people who can't control themselves or hold their liquor are going to ruin it for everyone. Prime example: PI. Let's hope that these folks don't ruin it at Epcot for the rest of us. (and yes, we have drank around the world on many occasions, but we have NEVER been sloppy or obnoxious. We're adults and know when to take a break!)

JaysAGator
06-01-2009, 03:16 PM
Let me jump on board with these last few posters before this thread starts to swing back the other way ;) My wife and I find that leisurely strolling around World Showcase, having a couple beers or glasses of wine, browsing the shops and enjoying the scenery, is one of (if not our outright) favorite acitivites to partake of in WDW. I have never, even during Food and Wine, seen someone I would classify as out of control drunk in any park. To say that Disney should abandon all adult nightlife and drinking is closed-minded. We don't have kids and just bought into DVC because we love the times we spend up there, drinking and dining included. We should not be punished because someone saw a drunk guy once on line for a ride.

Conan the Librarian
06-01-2009, 03:30 PM
You didn't see the guy who attacked my wife on EE one EMH last year. He decided to climb under the metal polls going from the fast pass line into the front car line. When my wife pointed out that he shouldn't do that, he showed that either: he was a total jerk (proved true later) or he had had too much to drink.

When she mentioned it to the CM running the line, he went off on her (she is only 5 foot in her shoes and he was about 5'8"). I had to 'convince' him that he needed to back away from her quick or bad things would happen.

We got our ride out of it and an appology from the Disney folks (something they didn't have to do), and as near as we can tell, he got to stand by and watch others ride.

We always assumed he was just drunk, but, like I said, he could have just been a jerk.

wildernessDad
06-01-2009, 03:30 PM
I loved the Adventurers Club. I hope that they bring it back. They can move it if they want to. Just bring it back.

On the plus side, Cooke's of Dublin has great fish and chips and there is an open air bar there serving Smithwick's!

DVCGeek
06-01-2009, 03:33 PM
I loved the Adventurers Club. I hope that they bring it back. They can move it if they want to. Just bring it back.

I hope they bring it back too :wizard:- I've never been but have heard LOTS of good things and would love to get a chance to see it!!! Otherwise I'm not a club person, but I would like to see other things brought back for those who miss it PROVIDED the "Disney Safety" veil can be maintained; too bad about the post on possible 'gang activity' :scared1: spoiling things for everyone else, but if there were legit safety concerns then I have to agree with Disney closing things.

Adventurers Club w/ dinner sounds intriguing- time will tell!

logan115
06-01-2009, 04:09 PM
Unless things get completely out of control there's no way they're going to stop selling alcohol at WDW.

Do you know how much profit is in a $5 bottle/draft beer - about $5 :lmao:

And whether we want to believe it or not WDW is there to make money, and there's no way they're going to turn down that $$$$. Would be cheaper to hire extra security guards to maintain a "drunk patrol" to take care of the few bad apples than to ban booze in the parks/DTD.

On the other hand, banning booze in the parks may make people place more value on the fridges in the DVC units - perhaps that could be what finally starts making resale prices reverse and increase.............

Chris

ems_mom
06-01-2009, 04:21 PM
I totally agree with JaysAGator. My husband and I both would rate Epcot as our favorite park. One of many factors in this that Epcot, particularly the World Showcase, does seem to have a slightly more adult vibe. I am not down on anyone there with small children...; I've been there and done that too. But eventually those cute little babies grow up!

Back to PI. While we never were a couple who went "clubbing" or anything like that locally, we always enjoyed our evenings at the Adventurer's Club and the Comedy club. The entertainment. esp. at the AC, was completely unique. Yes people were drinking adult beverages, but we never saw any outrageous behavior, at least from the guests. More often from the performers! :goodvibes

PurpleTurtle
06-01-2009, 04:27 PM
We should not be punished because someone saw a drunk guy once on line for a ride.

Hey, that 'someone' was me! A little respect! Just kidding :lmao:

gkrykewy
06-01-2009, 05:58 PM
You didn't see the guy who attacked my wife on EE one EMH last year. He decided to climb under the metal polls going from the fast pass line into the front car line. When my wife pointed out that he shouldn't do that, he showed that either: he was a total jerk (proved true later) or he had had too much to drink.

When she mentioned it to the CM running the line, he went off on her (she is only 5 foot in her shoes and he was about 5'8"). I had to 'convince' him that he needed to back away from her quick or bad things would happen.

We got our ride out of it and an appology from the Disney folks (something they didn't have to do), and as near as we can tell, he got to stand by and watch others ride.

We always assumed he was just drunk, but, like I said, he could have just been a jerk.

I fail to see the relevance. Are you advocating a dry WDW because of one jerk who may not even have been drinking?

Conan the Librarian
06-01-2009, 07:06 PM
No No! Heaven's No! Disney takes WAY to much money from the drinkers to stop, and, it keeps cost down for those of us who don't.

Someone upstream said something about never seeing drunk people in the parks. While I don't claim that it is pervasive, I was just pointing out that they do show up sometimes.

For the most part, I don't pay any attention to drunk people.

(I am pretty sure the guy had been drinking. He didn't act very sober)

eliza61
06-01-2009, 07:16 PM
I loathe hate and despise the new DTD. It's like one gigantic strip mall. I never had any problems with drunks at pleasure island and I never took my young kids there. I never ever thought it was some place to take young kids. My dh and I loved having an adult place to sneak to that was on disney property.
Absolutely no imagination in what replaced it. T-Rex is just another rainforest cafe except it's with dinosaurs and even the shops are a rehash of the same merchandise.

Bad move IMO

rutgers1
06-01-2009, 08:02 PM
I don't mind Dinosaur Cafe, or at least the idea of it (I haven't been there yet). I just think that Disney - and its guests - are missing out if the plans don't include more entertainment. I don't care if they make it completely "upscale" so it won't attract local hoodlums, but they definitely have to do something.

M & M
06-01-2009, 08:57 PM
When we decided to purchase at SSR the adult entertainment at DTD was a deciding factor. If the broken DTD does not improve I see our 2 trips a year becoming 1 trip every 2 years and if that is the case I will not need as many points anymore.

CaliforniaDreaming
06-07-2009, 01:38 PM
I really wish a few of these clubs (Adventurer/Comedy) would come back, as I think it is nice to have adult entertainment especially for those who have been to Disney many times and enjoy a more relaxing/less park focused vacation.

It will be interesting to see DTD in a few years once more things are built as to what the atmosphere will be like.

MarriedAtDisney
06-07-2009, 04:28 PM
just walked thru DTD today. t-rex looks like my 3 and 5 year olds will like it.

i can understand dialing back the "nightclubs", but add me to the list that would like something different than eating and buying disney stuff from china.

bowling? comedy club? billiards club? something for my DW and I to do on the one or two adult night outs our kids "grandparents" give us each trip....

Ksp
06-07-2009, 08:27 PM
Definitely not so much to do other than eat and shop now....not too sure why I would go back for late night entertainment. I think we'll try the Boardwalk next visit for late night fun things to do. Hope DTD perks up soon.

dgaston
06-08-2009, 12:40 PM
I'm another huge fan of the Adventurer's Club and the Comedy Warehouse. We didn't use the dance clubs much -- I don't think I was ever in BET or the club with the revolving floor. I miss the old Jazz club, and would definitely visit the AC in another incarnation. I used to have one drink, maybe two, and DH would have two. We rarely made it until midnight, so missed most of the reported unruly behavior.

I don't need more restaurants or places to shop -- actually will miss Virgin, was able to find interesting music there.