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dianeschlicht
05-29-2009, 08:37 AM
I don't mean to be negative, but I just can't get excited about BLT. Not the location, not the decor (although I do like those hidden Mickey's in the carpet and the art work), and not really the views.

I'm not sure why, but the pictures left me cold, and when I saw the sample units at the sales center, they felt colder than the photos. Now I agree those big windows in the GVs are magnificent, but who wants to see the parking lot and the toaster???? I guess to me it just like any other high rise hotel...NOT what I want on vacation. I thought I might like to do one stay there for the MK view, but after seeing the photos, I doubt it.

dianeschlicht
05-29-2009, 08:40 AM
I do think the bridge is cool, and the slide looks like it will be one of the best in all of DVC properties. Just trying to find some positive things to say, but I just don't find it appealing.

littlestar
05-29-2009, 08:43 AM
The point charts are too high for me for a weeks stay. I thought I might add a two day stay sometime, though, after a weeks stay at a Marriott Vacation Club just for easy access for hitting the Magic Kingdom park.

twinklebug
05-29-2009, 08:47 AM
I'm not enthralled by BLT either, however I think I would like to stay there for 1 night, just to see what it's like.

I think you nailed down why there are a number of us who just don't care for it... it's too much like a high rise hotel. I expect that from Boston, Chicago or NYC, but not Disney. To others I think the prospect of being in such a building is amazing and if the skyline is the MK even better.

Each to their own.... I love nature. Give me VWL & AKV :D

yasuern
05-29-2009, 08:49 AM
I am not excited either - but my DD is now14y/o - if she were younger it may have got my attention as it is soo close to the MK.


We LOVE OKW and BWV - staying our 1st time ar AKV Sav view this summer - more for my DD and Dnephew - but from what I have heard and read everyone LOVES it - very few neg. comments:goodvibes



Sue:)

Slakk
05-29-2009, 08:52 AM
I don't mean to be negative, but I just can't get excited about BLT. Not the location, not the decor (although I do like those hidden Mickey's in the carpet and the art work), and not really the views.

I'm not sure why, but the pictures left me cold, and when I saw the sample units at the sales center, they felt colder than the photos. Now I agree those big windows in the GVs are magnificent, but who wants to see the parking lot and the toaster???? I guess to me it just like any other high rise hotel...NOT what I want on vacation. I thought I might like to do one stay there for the MK view, but after seeing the photos, I doubt it.

That is what makes DVC so great - there is something for everyone. I know I cannot WAIT for my MK View 1 BR over F&W and MNSSHP.

I really don't care for the decor inside but the location, view and amenities are unique and exactly what we like. It was a no brainer for us.

bobbiwoz
05-29-2009, 08:56 AM
I had not been excited until I saw the samples. DH are seriously considering an add on. VWL will always be our MK resort of first choice, but the MF are making the decision for us to add on at either AKV (where we already own 140) or BLT, (new to us) very difficult. Add ons haven't been this difficult to decide before.

Bobbi:goodvibes

Disneypirate85
05-29-2009, 09:06 AM
I admit it was not excited at all, till I did the tour. Pictures do not do it justice, I really like it, not enough to buy in, (savin the addon for BWV) but I do like it. Shawnpirate:

ssawka
05-29-2009, 09:16 AM
For us it's all about location and transportation. MK is our favorite park by far, but we never seem to spend enough time in it because of where we've stayed in the past. Now we'll be able to walk to it whenever we want, and actually make it to Rope Drop. :lmao:

As for the transportation, WDW buses are great, but I do not like spending all day on them. With BLT, we can take the monorail to Epcot and other resorts. Also, when you do want to go elsewhere, you have direct transportation to all resorts via MK's bus depot.

The only other properties I would consider are BWV or BCV, but I am not such a big fan of Epcot anymore. Don't get me wrong, I like some of the attractions in FW, but I actually miss the more "educational" feel from my youth. Also, I've traveled enough where WS dosen't do much for me, with the exception of the Restaurants. HS and AK I consider 1/2 day parks at the most.

Maybe my heart will change when DD gets older, but I doubt it because given the opportunity, I would still choose to spend most of my time at MK. It just reminds me so much of my youth.

tjkraz
05-29-2009, 09:21 AM
Most of the appeal seems to be the views but I'm not a big "view guy" to begin with. I just don't think it's worth paying so much extra in return for seeing something more appealing out the window. I've had SSR trips with a beautiful view of Downtown Disney and others stays where I was looking at a bus stop. Aside from bragging rights on the DTD view, I can't say that one trip was any more "magical" or memorable than the other. :confused3

I do like the room design and the resort location is obviously appealing. But the tower itself looks a little stale from the outside, the pool will be in the shade half the day and the rooms are just too darn expensive to want to stay there regularly. No resort is perfect so I guess that's my BLT gripe list. :rotfl:

All of that said, if I were buying into DVC now I think BLT new and SSR resale are the most attractive options at Walt Disney World. Even if I weren't sold on BLT I'd probably buy there and use my points (with their incredibly low dues!) to stay elsewhere.

Chuck S
05-29-2009, 09:26 AM
I see advantages to the location, the decor I could take or leave. Besides being close to the MK, if someone is using a W/C or ECV the monorails are far easier to load than a bus. The Contemporary was always my favorite cash Disney resort, so I'm sure I'll try to book BLT at some point in the future, but I really don't think it will be more than once or twice, and I don't have any desire to own there. Overall, Kidani has more appeal to me than BLT, but I love my OKW.

I do see the appeal of the excitement of BLT, and those MK views fom the Contemporary Tower couldn't be beat. I think BLT is a great addition to the DVC system, even though it would have to be a special occasion for me to book a MK view using all those points.

Disney_Villain
05-29-2009, 10:01 AM
We loved BLT in all aspects, and bought an add-on there. What did we love the most? We found that like AKV, BLT is really something very different from what DVC has done with other resorts. Different in both amenities and theming.

Here are some of the unique amenities that BLT offered us that made us want to buy it:


Monorail access to our favorite hotel restaurants: Chef Mickey's, The Wave, Ohana & Kona.
The monorail resorts' lounges are among the nicest in all of the WDW resorts (a big appeal for me).
The gourmet coffee shop on the CR's main floor which sells iced coffees (both of us love this).
A 24-hour counter-service restaurant.


As for theming, we thought that BLT and AKV room design/decor/furnishings broke from the standard pattern repeated through many of the earlier resorts.

jade1
05-29-2009, 10:44 AM
I don't mean to be negative, ,..
Starting a negative post usually implies negativity
but I just can't get excited about BLT.. You dont have to be, many of us are not excited about AK or OKW either.

Not the location,..
:confused3

not the decor ..
Its not for everyone, many dont like AK decor either.

who wants to see the parking lot and the toaster???? ..
Then choose this, or is this a bad view to?

http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc149/jademn/BLTLKVIEW.jpg

NOT what I want on vacation. I thought I might like to do one stay there for the MK view, but after seeing the photos, I doubt it.

You will be missed.

KPH500
05-29-2009, 10:52 AM
I don't mean to be negative, but I just can't get excited about BLT. Not the location, not the decor (although I do like those hidden Mickey's in the carpet and the art work), and not really the views.

I'm not sure why, but the pictures left me cold, and when I saw the sample units at the sales center, they felt colder than the photos. Now I agree those big windows in the GVs are magnificent, but who wants to see the parking lot and the toaster???? I guess to me it just like any other high rise hotel...NOT what I want on vacation. I thought I might like to do one stay there for the MK view, but after seeing the photos, I doubt it.



The style of BLT doesn't appeal to me either but there are plenty of people it does appeal to and they may not like my home resort, AKV.

The beauty of DVC as I see it is this .... to each there own, there's something to please everyone. :)

WDWLVR
05-29-2009, 11:11 AM
What I love about DVC is the variety it offers. We tried VWL and didn't care for it but others love it. We have no interest in AKV but again others love it. We love our BWV home but some don't care for that. I'm looking forward to BLT. We were able to get a cash reservation for a MK view studio in November and I'm looking forward to being able to see the castle from my room and to walking home from MVMCP. Would we stay here often? Probably not but I'm looking forward to this trip.

dianeschlicht
05-29-2009, 11:26 AM
Sorry Jade, if you took this to be a slam. It wasn't meant to be. It was a statement of my lack of enthusiasm. I seem to see a lot of enthusiasm on the boards for BLT, and that's fine. I just wanted to know if I was a lone decenter or if others felt the same way.

BTW, lounges, 24 hour food courts and access to MK mean nothing to me. I don't care for high rise hotels, I don't drink alcolholic drinks, or eat in food courts, and MK is my least favorite park.

I do agree with the one poster who said AKV and BLT at least are in a different mold as far as room layout is concerned. That means AKV, BLT, and OKW are the only "different" ones out there.

Exactly right, DVC now has something for everyone. I don't care for BWV or BCV either, but I LOVE their location and BWV has some good views. It's that layout of BWV, BCV, VWL, and SSR that I don't care for in those cases. Also, with the exception of VWL, they all seem too urban for me. VWL looks like my house, so I don't stay there, even though I know I would enjoy it. I hope to someday get a chance for a Treehouse villa too. Now THAT I KNOW I would like!

I was just curious if anyone else felt the same way as I. Sorry if I offended anyone, because that was not the intent, and if you really read my first post, you would get that.

fishermouse
05-29-2009, 11:38 AM
I must be wierd because I have never met a DVC I did not like!!!:cool1:
Of course I have my favorites and still have a couple I have not stayed at.

BEASLYBOO
05-29-2009, 11:50 AM
We've done Disney World 50+ times, and now with my son almost 13, MK & the Monorail System are no longer do or die attractions. We prefer Epcot, AK, Typhoon Lagoon, DTD and the Orlando area for meals etc., so BLT really has no appeal for me either.

Did I mention my fear of heights, that picture looking down gives me the willy's! :scared:

With that said, even with the higher point structure , I'll still try a couple of days (week days) to stay in a 2 BR at BLT,MK View just to experience it, just as I've tried each and every other resort. I feel the same way about the decor at AKV but I like the savanna every 3 years or so and I'm sure the THV's will be the same but I'll try those too, hopefully before my son loses the need to do bunk beds with his best bud!

Expressing an opinion is not bashing in my book, others are free to express their opinion as well even if it's contradictory to the OP.

LisaS
05-29-2009, 11:52 AM
I've never been a fan of the look of the CR (except at night when all those lights are very pretty!) but BLT is growing on me, mostly because of the location. We love to walk to the parks and I like the idea of walking home after Wishes!

Tara
05-29-2009, 12:15 PM
I don't mean to be negative, but I just can't get excited about BLT. Not the location, not the decor (although I do like those hidden Mickey's in the carpet and the art work), and not really the views.

I'm not sure why, but the pictures left me cold, and when I saw the sample units at the sales center, they felt colder than the photos. Now I agree those big windows in the GVs are magnificent, but who wants to see the parking lot and the toaster???? I guess to me it just like any other high rise hotel...NOT what I want on vacation. I thought I might like to do one stay there for the MK view, but after seeing the photos, I doubt it.

It's just you. ;)

Seriously, it's all about taste and everyone's is different. I'm crazy, head-over-heels about BLT and think it has the best view, location, access to great amenities and by far the best décor of any resort, DVC or not IMO. On the flip side, I think AKV is "nice" but dark and the décor is clunky and too patterned. And THVs...ugh, I won't even go there!

So I am sure you aren't alone but I'm sure I'm not, either. AFAIC that's just fewer people to compete with for reservations! Good thing there's a DVC for all of us!

stlrod
05-29-2009, 12:54 PM
You are not alone. Although I do like the styling and the pool area, I have to admit, that view of the MK turned me off. It's a parking lot view.

Slakk
05-29-2009, 12:56 PM
Sorry Jade, if you took this to be a slam. It wasn't meant to be. It was a statement of my lack of enthusiasm. I seem to see a lot of enthusiasm on the boards for BLT, and that's fine. I just wanted to know if I was a lone decenter or if others felt the same way.

BTW, lounges, 24 hour food courts and access to MK mean nothing to me. I don't care for high rise hotels, I don't drink alcolholic drinks, or eat in food courts, and MK is my least favorite park.

I do agree with the one poster who said AKV and BLT at least are in a different mold as far as room layout is concerned. That means AKV, BLT, and OKW are the only "different" ones out there.

Exactly right, DVC now has something for everyone. I don't care for BWV or BCV either, but I LOVE their location and BWV has some good views. It's that layout of BWV, BCV, VWL, and SSR that I don't care for in those cases. Also, with the exception of VWL, they all seem too urban for me. VWL looks like my house, so I don't stay there, even though I know I would enjoy it. I hope to someday get a chance for a Treehouse villa too. Now THAT I KNOW I would like!

I was just curious if anyone else felt the same way as I. Sorry if I offended anyone, because that was not the intent, and if you really read my first post, you would get that.

So if I understand correctly you do not care for BWV, BCV, VWL, SSR and BLT nor lounges, 24 hour food courts and access to MK.

Sounds to me like AKV and OKW are perfect for your needs!

Lindabelle
05-29-2009, 01:07 PM
We saw the BLT models at Doorway to Dreams at Woodfield Mall. The photos of it do not do it justice. The photos made it look just ok to me, but the models had the WOW factor. I think the color scheme just doesn't show up well in print. It's nice that at DVC every resort is different and we can enjoy the variety, or keep to our old favorites. I like that!

dianeschlicht
05-29-2009, 01:22 PM
We saw the BLT models at Doorway to Dreams at Woodfield Mall. The photos of it do not do it justice. The photos made it look just ok to me, but the models had the WOW factor. I think the color scheme just doesn't show up well in print. It's nice that at DVC every resort is different and we can enjoy the variety, or keep to our old favorites. I like that!

I do agree that the photos don't look as good as the real thing, but I really didn't care for the real thing at all. It just felt very cold and sterile to me, but then I generally feel that way about very contemporary decor. I'm sure many feel that same way about rustic decor, but I feel like that is just warm and inviting.

Expressing an opinion is not bashing in my book, others are free to express their opinion as well even if it's contradictory to the OP.
I didn't feel bashed, I just thought some of the other posters felt I was doing the bashing, and that wasn't my intent at all.

BEASLYBOO
05-29-2009, 02:25 PM
By the same token, how can one know they love it or hate it! It's not open and no ones stayed there yet! Staying there may change my mind, just as I made up my onw mind about the dark decor at AKV!

dianeschlicht
05-29-2009, 03:15 PM
By the same token, how can one know they love it or hate it! It's not open and no ones stayed there yet! Staying there may change my mind, just as I made up my onw mind about the dark decor at AKV!

Very true! I own at AKV too, and while I love the animals and like the decor, I too dislike how dark it is and how difficult it is deal with that in the bathroom. I'm sure I would find something to like once I stayed at BLT, but I just don't find it appealing enough to try.

Granny
05-29-2009, 03:33 PM
Diane...I think everyone has particular aspects of DVC resorts that are critical to them such as theming, decor, location, amenities, accommodation size and layouts, etc. Different people will rank these things differently as far as importance to them.

For those who put location and access to the monorail on the top of their priorization list, BLT can't be beat. They will be excited about it and the decor won't probably matter that much to them.

Others put a heavy premium on theming and there the decor will be important. But even then it's a personal taste thing...what many call dark and muted decor at VWL I call woodsy and great theming.

So no problem in expressing your opinion...it is as valid as everyone elses. Personally, I think I'd like to stay at BLT at some point mostly for the convenience to MK and the monorail. Not sure if the MK view points would be worth it to me or not, especially since I find Bay Lake to be so scenic anyway.

jade1
05-29-2009, 05:27 PM
Sorry Jade, if you took this to be a slam. It wasn't meant to be. It was a statement of my lack of enthusiasm. I seem to see a lot of enthusiasm on the boards for BLT, and that's fine. I just wanted to know if I was a lone decenter or if others felt the same way.

BTW, lounges, 24 hour food courts and access to MK mean nothing to me. I don't care for high rise hotels, I don't drink alcolholic drinks, or eat in food courts, and MK is my least favorite park.

I do agree with the one poster who said AKV and BLT at least are in a different mold as far as room layout is concerned. That means AKV, BLT, and OKW are the only "different" ones out there.

Exactly right, DVC now has something for everyone. I don't care for BWV or BCV either, but I LOVE their location and BWV has some good views. It's that layout of BWV, BCV, VWL, and SSR that I don't care for in those cases. Also, with the exception of VWL, they all seem too urban for me. VWL looks like my house, so I don't stay there, even though I know I would enjoy it. I hope to someday get a chance for a Treehouse villa too. Now THAT I KNOW I would like!

I was just curious if anyone else felt the same way as I. Sorry if I offended anyone, because that was not the intent, and if you really read my first post, you would get that.

No worries. My response is not meant as a slam either. I just felt a response was required after it being called a toaster with a parking lot view and the whole "just trying to find something positive about it". I can see where someone may not like the parking lot between the MK, but are you really saying that the view of Bay Lake/pool isnt a positive thing? It really has to be one of the best on property IMO, and as for a high rise-thats the point of the resort. Those kinds of views can be obtained because of the height-why else would CG be on top of the CR? Like I said, the decor can be hated as well. But new stainless steel appliances instead of 10 year old worn half broken could be viewed as a positive, flat screen HD TV's over the old box sets can be a positive, newly tiled bathrooms over obvious mold is positive. Being on the monorail is a positive. All the dining at CR and on the monorail (and MK) in minutes can be a positive. A private pool on Bay Lake, Boating, fishing and parasailing from the resort, room service, walking to MK, lowest dues, longest ownership, 5 in a 1BR, MK and MK Wishes viewing 200 feet up could all be considered as positive.

starbox
05-29-2009, 06:02 PM
http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc149/jademn/BLTLKVIEW.jpg

Does anyone else think of Blade Runner when they see photos of the pool?

DisneyWalker44
05-29-2009, 06:03 PM
It's not just you. While I hope those that like the resort have great stays and get everything they want, BLT has zero appeal to me.

There's no "resort" there. No grounds. No place to walk. Not for me.

Duchie
05-29-2009, 06:43 PM
I don't mean to be negative, but I just can't get excited about BLT. Not the location, not the decor (although I do like those hidden Mickey's in the carpet and the art work), and not really the views.

I'm not sure why, but the pictures left me cold, and when I saw the sample units at the sales center, they felt colder than the photos. Now I agree those big windows in the GVs are magnificent, but who wants to see the parking lot and the toaster???? I guess to me it just like any other high rise hotel...NOT what I want on vacation. I thought I might like to do one stay there for the MK view, but after seeing the photos, I doubt it.

I'm right there with you. I kept thinking I'd like it better once I saw the sample rooms, but even then I was thought they were just eh.

sajetto
05-29-2009, 07:26 PM
No, its not just you. I like resorts with expansive grounds. I don't take it personally when someone doesn't like one of my homes, but it seems pretty common that people on the DVC boards get offended when someone doesn't have a glowing report of their "home." I figure different strokes for different folks :confused3

ACDSNY
05-29-2009, 08:06 PM
No you're not alone. BLT is not my cup of tea either. That's what makes DVC great, choices for everyone.

Dean
05-29-2009, 08:29 PM
I liked some aspects and not others. I've never been a big CR fan and I didn't care for the modern decor overall. I did like the set up of the rooms though and the views and location offer something not previously available and that many find has great value to them. We'll likely stay there as a matter of convenience at times when the grandson is at the right age. IMO, I don't think it'll be as difficult to reserve as some think but on that we shall see. OTOH, had you said you hated it, never wanted to stay there, couldn't stand anything about it, and started a thread to say so, that still would not have been bashing because it is your personal view of the resort. Now had you said you also hated the members that own there that might constitute bashing.

VallCopen
05-29-2009, 08:34 PM
We have never been to WDW but all of you have us ready to go so that we can see for ourselves. Everyone has an opinion and they vary, that is what makes this world interesting. I would probably not like the rustic lodge look as much due to the fact that we live in the Northwest and always have that available, although we did buy at VGC @ Disneyland :love:, but that is because it is our only choice out here and we just want to be part of the family.:grouphug:

Deb & Bill
05-29-2009, 08:59 PM
We stayed at the CR in a South Wing room a few years ago when they started the demo on the North wing and before they started the renovation in the South Wing. We weren't sure we would like it, but we actually loved it, including the "what some people call boring old pool". It was only three stories tall and that was what we liked about it.

We're not fans of BWV - stayed there once and didn't like it. We owned at BCV and sold those points (but where am I sitting while I write this? BCV.)
We just stayed at SSR a few nights ago before we headed to the beach (returning after four nights to BCV) and loved that resort. Of course, OKW is our favorite. And we still have our VWL points (ah, Yellowstone, a big favorite vacation place).

Not a fan of high rises. I hate to have to depend on the elevator. I didn't care much for the decor of BLT either, but being close to the MK would be a perk in my book. And I'd like overlooking Bay Lake. But the rooms just seem so small compared to the other resorts (I haven't compared the sq footage so this is just my opinion).

We haven't stayed at AKV yet, just AKL and thought it was nice (especially a savanna view - love sitting on the balcony watching the animals).

I can see Diane's point of view and I can see others' points of view. Which makes it nice for everyone. I got tired of them making one DVC after another with the same cookie cutter. Now if they used the OKW cookie cutter, that'd be a different story. Like I said, we love OKW.

dianeschlicht
05-29-2009, 09:09 PM
I can see Diane's point of view and I can see others' points of view. Which makes it nice for everyone. I got tired of them making one DVC after another with the same cookie cutter. Now if they used the OKW cookie cutter, that'd be a different story. Like I said, we love OKW.

I too am glad they are not doing the "cookie cutter" units anymore and just putting different resort themes and names on them. BWV, VWL, BCV, and SSR are all basically the same floor plan. I liked that AKV is different and added a bathroom. I think the floor plan of BLT is interesting also, but it does feel cramped in both the master and the second bedroom of the models. I can't wait to see the Tree Houses. I was disappointed that they didn't have actual rooms to see for those instead of just the little architect's model. It's a little hard to get a good feel for that space with the small model. We know that one will be a different layout too though.

Deb & Bill
05-29-2009, 09:45 PM
...I can't wait to see the Tree Houses. I was disappointed that they didn't have actual rooms to see for those instead of just the little architect's model. It's a little hard to get a good feel for that space with the small model. We know that one will be a different layout too though.

But the THV won't have a king sized bed and that's not something I can live with.

Tara
05-29-2009, 09:55 PM
But the rooms just seem so small compared to the other resorts (I haven't compared the sq footage so this is just my opinion).

I'm sure compared to OKW everything seems small. ;)

The BLT studios are small - not as small as AKV-Jambo value studios, but the next smallest. The 1br villas at 803 are 3rd largest after OKW and AKV-Kidani (but only 4 sqft smaller than AKV). Same is true for 2br - 3rd largest. I didn't realize what a difference there was in the 1br villas until we stayed at SSR in a 1br and then walked across the street to look again at the model. That ~90 sqft makes a big difference!

rentayenta
05-30-2009, 12:29 AM
I think it looks cool but I doubt I would try to stay there. :goodvibes

MiaSRN62
05-30-2009, 02:17 AM
Diane...
I was fairly lackluster last fall when the pics/video of BLT first came out. I toured the model and it has grown on me. I will admit, if not for the location, I don't think it would interest me as much. But we are in the process of selling our OKW and will be adding on to BLT in addition to our AKV. We love the cool disney artwork in the villas too. It just feels very modern disney to us.

The MK is our favorite park, so our choices were between BLT and VWL for ease/proximity to this park. I prefer the ambience/grandeur of WL/ VWL more----but the extra years at BLT, ability to sleep 5 in a one bedroom and the ability to walk/monorail to the MK won out. I think how nice it will be when we do the MNSSHP or MVMCP to be able to just walk "home".

The MK view points are high----we will probably not book too many stays with the MK view except for special occasions. I'd be perfectly happy with a lake view though. I am curious exactly what the standard views will be too ? Haven't figured that out yet----maybe lower floors of the MK view side ?

Also the better and more available food options that BLT will have helped make the decision. The day we found out about the point allocation at OKW and how our 2 bedroom stays would jump by 6 points a night, just made the decision even easier for us to sell OKW. We really did love OKW----but things have changed there over the years since we've owned. So with the allocation, we felt like we were going to be getting less for more.

So while I agree----sleek and modern isn't necessarily my thing---we do feel BLT has alot to offer in amenities/views/location.


Maria

Longhairbear
05-30-2009, 02:37 AM
It certainly fills a niche, stylewise/location, and will appeal to a lot of members. We intend to try it, but would never waitlist for it.

Dean
05-30-2009, 06:50 AM
I'm sure compared to OKW everything seems small. ;) Compared to the industry, DVC has small units. While OKW is large by DVC standards, it's average by timeshare standards.

dianeschlicht
05-30-2009, 06:53 AM
Compared to the industry, DVC has small units. While OKW is large by DVC standards, it's average by timeshare standards.

Very true, Dean, but while small, some of the DVC units are MUCH better appointed than most other timeshares I have been at. Most timeshares aren't so theme based as the DVC ones. They are usually just generic contemporary.

Muhlenberg
05-30-2009, 07:11 AM
I hear ya!;) I really thought I'd like it and the location can't be beat, but the thought of spending all those points is killing me! We have 220 points (so far), and I'm not going to spend all of them for 5 nights. And we can't buy more points for quite a while, so we're living with the 220 points.

We've stayed at CR several times, and really thought we'd like BLT, but now I'm glad we bought at AKV. I really think the studio at BLT got cheated out of square footage. It's about 26 sq ft smaller than the studio at SSR, and about 37 sq ft smaller than that at AKV. That's the difference of about 2 or 3 feet in length...not much, but significant enough to make it feel "cramped." (I've beenn studying floor plans. :laughing: ) BUT...CR is my parents' favorite resort, and I'll try to sneak in "one last trip" to stay at BLT with them.

Like others have said...there's a DVC resort for everyone.:thumbsup2 It'll be interesting to hear reports after BLT is opened.

kdzgon
05-30-2009, 07:21 AM
I see advantages to the location, the decor I could take or leave. Besides being close to the MK, if someone is using a W/C or ECV the monorails are far easier to load than a bus. The Contemporary was always my favorite cash Disney resort, so I'm sure I'll try to book BLT at some point in the future, but I really don't think it will be more than once or twice, and I don't have any desire to own there. Overall, Kidani has more appeal to me than BLT, but I love my OKW.

I do see the appeal of the excitement of BLT, and those MK views fom the Contemporary Tower couldn't be beat. I think BLT is a great addition to the DVC system, even though it would have to be a special occasion for me to book a MK view using all those points.

I agree - for us it is much more about the convenience than the views. I admit the views will likely be great, but I don't know that I want to pay that price (even in points) to stay in an MK view room.

It's not just the monorails with an ECV - you can also just motor back from MK rather than even load on to the monorail. Unless we want to open the park we usually work our way through Epcot and take a boat to DS so that leaves only AKV where we need to load on a bus.

Crystal_27
05-30-2009, 07:24 AM
Not the location,

This is the only thing that I have to disagree with you...I don't think that *anyone* can dispute that BLT has the *best* location of all of the DVC resorts, perhaps maybe of all Disney resorts. Not only is it on the monorail, but it is the closest resort to MK, to walk to which you have to bypass the other resort busses (meaning that you also have very easy access to all other resorts). I think that some may agree that the decor is awful (I don't - LOL) or that the resort is generally too stark or the pool is too small, that the points charts are too high, (etc.) but the location is prime!! That's the only reason we bought into BLT...the rooms could have been decorated in black or hot pink and the pool could have been non-existent, but we still would have bought there because we are monorail people. Being walking distance to MK just adds to the overall appeal, in my opinion. Still, that's why DVC is great - - it has options that can appeal to every taste.

DisneyWalker44
05-30-2009, 08:01 AM
I don't think that *anyone* can dispute that BLT has the *best* location of all of the DVC resorts, perhaps maybe of all Disney resorts. Sure they can. BLT is walkable to the MK. So what? BCV is walkable to Epcot - but BCV's walk is much shorter, much nicer and takes you to a better entrance.

Other than the MK, you can't walk anywhere from BLT. From BCV, you are an easy walk away from several other resorts, the Boardwalk entertainment... and a somewhat longer walk to DHS (or Fantasia Gardens).

I'd put BCV's location clearly ahead of BLT's - and I'd also put BWV's ahead. Everyone won't agree. But it just wrong to say BLT's location is indisputably the best.

mlayton14
05-30-2009, 08:07 AM
Couldnt agree more .. when we stay there some day, it will be for the location/location/location. Personally I like all different themes of resorts (variety is spice of life), but the thing that kills me about BLT is all of the concrete .. (just like CR). Maybe it just timing or the pix Ive seen, but I feel like the place looks very sterile. Personally what would have been cool is one VERY large brand new common area shared between both Contemporary complexes that includes a huge themed pool, LOTS and LOTS and LOTS of palm trees/shrubs, sandy play areas for kids, and anything that people could escape to from the concrete jungle that seems like is there now. Have no idea how much it would have cost .. but I would hope this costs could be shared among the 2 Contemps. Time will tell though .. gonna need a stay there to decide.

Dean
05-30-2009, 08:23 AM
This is the only thing that I have to disagree with you...I don't think that *anyone* can dispute that BLT has the *best* location of all of the DVC resorts, perhaps maybe of all Disney resorts. Not only is it on the monorail, but it is the closest resort to MK, to walk to which you have to bypass the other resort busses (meaning that you also have very easy access to all other resorts). I think that some may agree that the decor is awful (I don't - LOL) or that the resort is generally too stark or the pool is too small, that the points charts are too high, (etc.) but the location is prime!! That's the only reason we bought into BLT...the rooms could have been decorated in black or hot pink and the pool could have been non-existent, but we still would have bought there because we are monorail people. Being walking distance to MK just adds to the overall appeal, in my opinion. Still, that's why DVC is great - - it has options that can appeal to every taste.I think many would disagree with you. BLT is only a prime location if you want to be close to MK and/or really like the CR, not everyone does. It's a horrible location for many. Certainly if you want to discuss the resorts that appeal to the most people BLT would be up there right now but I'm not even sure it'd be the top rated resort long term of the WDW resorts much less be everyones "best location" vote. Remember the "on the monorail" issue is really just another way of saying it's a good MK location, they are not particularly additive as the monorail doesn't add much over the location itself. It is what it is, a nice resort in a good MK location that many, but not all, have been waiting for. I'm not convinced it'll be the most in demand resort at WDW taken as the entire resort but time will tell on that one.

backyardponder
05-30-2009, 08:25 AM
I don't think that *anyone* can dispute that BLT has the *best* location of all of the DVC resorts, perhaps maybe of all Disney resorts.

For a young family, like yours, I agree. MK is the destination of choice for a 5 year old. For those of us who are empty-nesters, MK may not be the destination of choice. As many have said, DVC has something for everybody. Our favorite resorts are BWV, WVL, and VB.

John

5forDiz
05-30-2009, 09:29 AM
Can someone tell me if I'm correct on this :confused3 : when MK has an early closing isn't there a cut-off time for buses running to Non-Monorail Resorts?
iirc, 1 -2 hours after park closing? if yes, then it'd be bus from BLT to Downtown Disney ( or park that is open later ) & transfer to other resort bus ? - - then this is same resort-to-resort transportation scenario you'd face at any other WDW resort ( exception being staying a /visiting other Epcot Resorts)

We'll give BLT a try, don't know if we'll add-on there although for some time it was front runner for our next add-on, but we are now leaning towards AKV or SSR more. We'll see - will do a stay at BLT before committing to add-on.

I don't think I'd want to part with points needed for MK view, Bay Lake view I do like but then I don't want to be on interior of "C" so I'd probably make the frugal side of me happy and just go with standard view and see what that turns out to be and then decide after that what to try on future stay.

We love MK but as our kids get older they've come to prefer DHS, AK, Epcot, TL, BB & Epcot resorts area so while the monorail is a plus we'd still be bussing it in most cases (or driving our car :scared1:).

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DVC Mike
05-30-2009, 10:14 AM
I don't mean to be negative, but I just can't get excited about BLT. Not the location, not the decor (although I do like those hidden Mickey's in the carpet and the art work), and not really the views.


That's what is so great about DVC - the variety of resort theming, locations, amenities and decor.

For every DVC resort, there will be a group of people that don't care for it, and another group that loves it.

jade1
05-30-2009, 12:02 PM
Can someone tell me if I'm correct on this :confused3 : when MK has an early closing isn't there a cut-off time for buses running to Non-Monorail Resorts?
iirc, 1 -2 hours after park closing? if yes, then it'd be bus from BLT to Downtown Disney ( or park that is open later ) & transfer to other resort bus ? - - then this is same resort-to-resort transportation scenario you'd face at any other WDW resort ( exception being staying a /visiting other Epcot Resorts) .

Not sure what you are asking but it sounds like you are wondering if using the MK buses can be a risk at night to get back before the MK buses stop running? I just checked all of June and MK is open later than any park every night except wed when DHS is open an hour later.

Also need to define closing early (I'm sure its different to everyone). The earliest MK closing in June is 10PM meaning buses until at least 11PM every night. The other thing is if you do define a MK closing time as early to you-just schedule something that night that doesn't require a later MK bus return.

MK is open later every night in June than AK (usually by 5 hours or more).
MK is open later every night in June than EPCOT FW (usually by 3 hours).
MK is open later every night in June than EPCOT WS (usually 2 hours).
MK is open later every night in June than DHS except wed nights DHS is open 1hour later.

That said, it would make sense to keep the MK closing in mind if you need a bus back to MK/BLT. In June MK is open until 10PM 12 times, 11PM 3 times, Midnight 7 times, 1AM 7 times and 2AM 2 times. Add another hour minimum to these for buses and you can see theres not a lot of risk. So the buses run until midnight or later at MK in June 19 of 30 nights.

As for resorts, yes you can go directly to any WDW resort from MK/BLT until at least 11PM every night in June, but need to watch times for return trips or its a cab call.

You can check the closing times for other months well in advance for accurate planning.

Mississippian
05-30-2009, 12:09 PM
I don't think it'll be as difficult to reserve as some think but on that we shall see.
Dean, as a big fan of the BLT location, who can't wait to stay there, I agree with you 100%. While the point charts aren't out of this world, they are high enough that BLT members will want to stretch their vacations by staying at one of the other well-located resorts. So once the rush is over, there will be availability, IMHO.

Mississippian
05-30-2009, 12:19 PM
Sure they can. BLT is walkable to the MK. So what? BCV is walkable to Epcot - but BCV's walk is much shorter, much nicer and takes you to a better entrance.

Other than the MK, you can't walk anywhere from BLT. From BCV, you are an easy walk away from several other resorts, the Boardwalk entertainment... and a somewhat longer walk to DHS (or Fantasia Gardens).

I'd put BCV's location clearly ahead of BLT's - and I'd also put BWV's ahead. Everyone won't agree. But it just wrong to say BLT's location is indisputably the best.
As someone who loves my BWV, I would dispute this.

BLT has easy monorail access to EPCOT. From BCV you have to walk through EPCOT to get to the monorail to the MK. Big pain.

BLT has easy monorail access to all of the restaurants at the Poly and Grand Floridian, which are the nicest at WDW. BCV does not. BLT has easy bus access though the MK to every resort at WDW. BCV does not.

Of course, you are REQUIRED to use the monorail from BLT. They never finished the walk around the lake that they were going to build after they sold all those little tiles. But for someone who wants access to the most restaurants and resorts, it is really hard to say BCV has a better location.

Let me add that I'm probably going to just stick with my BWV points for the immediate future, so it's not like I am defending a purchase I've made or anything.

jade1
05-30-2009, 12:28 PM
Dean, as a big fan of the BLT location, who can't wait to stay there, I agree with you 100%. While the point charts aren't out of this world, they are high enough that BLT members will want to stretch their vacations by staying at one of the other well-located resorts. So once the rush is over, there will be availability, IMHO.

I agree with this as well (although we will see), especially since using lower cost dues points from BLT at other resorts is an even better value.

gkrykewy
05-30-2009, 12:37 PM
They never finished the walk around the lake that they were going to build after they sold all those little tiles.

Wow, I never heard about this. That would have been amazing. Shame.

jade1
05-30-2009, 12:38 PM
As someone who loves my BWV, I would dispute this.

BLT has easy monorail access to EPCOT. From BCV you have to walk through EPCOT to get to the monorail to the MK. Big pain.

BLT has easy monorail access to all of the restaurants at the Poly and Grand Floridian, which are the nicest at WDW. BCV does not. BLT has easy bus access though the MK to every resort at WDW. BCV does not.

Of course, you are REQUIRED to use the monorail from BLT. They never finished the walk around the lake that they were going to build after they sold all those little tiles. But for someone who wants access to the most restaurants and resorts, it is really hard to say BCV has a better location.

Let me add that I'm probably going to just stick with my BWV points for the immediate future, so it's not like I am defending a purchase I've made or anything.

See my whole thing on the location of BLT being bad, is it seems to be from someone who doesn't like MK for example, or someone that likes BCV (close to EPCOT) better, or that jumping on the monorail in minutes to many great dining spots is irrelevant. To me, that doesn't make it bad-or not a "positive" for BLT. I plan to stay at BCV more because or the walk to EPCOT, but would never imply a resort that can walk to the most popular theme park known to mankind doesn't have a good location. When we do stay at BLT-it will be largely because of the walk to MK-theres just also a lot of gravy that comes with it for us.

Inkmahm
05-30-2009, 01:20 PM
What I love about DVC is the variety it offers. We tried VWL and didn't care for it but others love it. We have no interest in AKV but again others love it. We love our BWV home but some don't care for that. I'm looking forward to BLT. We were able to get a cash reservation for a MK view studio in November and I'm looking forward to being able to see the castle from my room and to walking home from MVMCP. Would we stay here often? Probably not but I'm looking forward to this trip.

We love VWL, AKV, AND BLT! :goodvibes After reading the beginning of this thread, I got the idea to change our Kidani night Dec 12 after our Magic cruise to BLT. We already have a week scheduled at Kidani for next March but rarely do we have a single night to schedule anywhere. We decided the one night in December would be perfect to try BLT, just to see what it is like. Much to my surprise, 12/12 was open for a studio with a lake view.

So, I hope I made someone happy who was waiting for a Kidani studio for 12/12 because we just switched to BLT for that night. I waitlisted for the MK view so we'll see what happens. If we get it, fine. If not, the lake view looks pretty nice, too.

We're really not interested in buying at BLT but one of the great benefits of DVC ownership is that I can try there for a night just to see what it is like.

Ramsfan28
05-30-2009, 01:29 PM
Quite honestly - is there a "bad" DVC location at Disney?? I just bought at BLT and couldn't be more excited; however, like many of this board, if I owned at another property I am sure I would be just as thrilled to own there.

I love all the parks and plan on taking advantage of all that Disney offers from BLT or one of the other great resorts during my visits.

I just feel fortunate to own a piece of Disney that I can enjoy with my family and friends for the next 50 years.

Cee
05-30-2009, 01:37 PM
...and it's just me and it's just us. It took me so long to stay at OKW because it "just didn't do it for me". Then I stayed there a few years ago and it's one of my favorite resorts. I love SSR because I stayed there way back when it was the "Disney Villas". I adore the Contemporary because it was the first resort we stayed at when we took our kids for the first time. We all have our reasons for liking and not liking certain things, places and yes, people. All I can say is that the silver lining in all of this is that there will be more availability for those who love those places, because those that don't will go elsewhere. :thumbsup2

bigsmooth
05-30-2009, 01:42 PM
I think Disney would be pretty boring if it built one size fits all resorts. That is why I really dislike resort bashing on these boards. Each resort has its own appeal and is targeted for a specific segment. BLT doesn't do it for me, but I know it will for plenty and I expect it to sell pretty quickly. And I do want to stay there someday if the 7 month window presents an opportunity, just like I want to eventually try every resort, even the ones that don't appeal to me enough to buy in there.

5forDiz
05-30-2009, 01:48 PM
Not sure what you are asking but it sounds like you are wondering if using the MK buses can be a risk at night to get back before the MK buses stop running?...........





Yes, thank you, that is what I am wondering :) When we dine at resort hotels we usually will take latest reservation possible. I agree with you in most cases MK is usually latest closing. I appreciate your very thorough reply :goodvibes

DisneyWalker44
05-30-2009, 04:14 PM
BLT has easy monorail access to EPCOT. I think folks are going to realize that bus service to/from Epcot isn't as easy as they think.
From BCV you have to walk through EPCOT to get to the monorail to the MK. Big pain.Or, just take a bus.

BLT has easy monorail access to all of the restaurants at the Poly and Grand Floridian, which are the nicest at WDW. BCV does not. I'll take walking access to the restaurants of the Beach, Yacht, Swan, Dolphin and Boardwalk. But as most folks have said, the neat think about DVC is there's a resort for everyone.

disney1474
05-30-2009, 04:38 PM
You are not alone. Although I do like the styling and the pool area, I have to admit, that view of the MK turned me off. It's a parking lot view.

When I saw the pictures of the MK view I was also surprised of the large parking lot. Even though, it's a view of the MK castle which is in itself an awesome view anyways. We own at AKV and love it there. If we knew about BLT , at the time we bought, we might have bought there instead but I believe things happen for a reason. Kidani village is our home and Disney did a great job, just like they do with all their resorts.
I don't think I would want a MK view because it would take away the effect of seeing the castle for the first time while on vacation. I'm afraid staring at the castle everyday from my room would take the "wow" factor away. Just my thoughts.

edk35
05-30-2009, 05:37 PM
Don't really feel the need to own there but we will stay there. I would like to try BLT when we plan to do a MK day. SO I can see us trying BLT for a split stay sometime for maybe 3 nights. I want to stay at all the DVC resorts.....so I still need VWL and BLT. :thumbsup2

Greysword
05-30-2009, 07:23 PM
First, thank you for posting this thread. I have to admit as a group, DISers tend to get uber excited and all happy about a new resort with little against it (which is great!). This thread brings in some important points, too.

I had the same ideas as many, when I saw the BLT room pics. It looks a little flat and sterile and boring. Then again, I think that is what I like about it! I think of the CR as a "futuristic" theme, which compliments Tomorrowland. A Buck Rogers kind of deal, so the monorail in the lobby and the the EPCOT concrete jungle theme kind of brings that to life in my mind.

Also, the BLT seems to have an advantage on rainy days, especially as reported over the past couple weeks. Having dry access to two other deluxe resorts for food and activities, and quick access to the gates of MK and EPCOT are a nice feature if it rain incesantly for several days.

Just a couple thoughts...thank you for playing!

- Chris

Starr W.
05-30-2009, 07:44 PM
I think Disney would be pretty boring if it built one size fits all resorts. That is why I really dislike resort bashing on these boards. Each resort has its own appeal and is targeted for a specific segment. BLT doesn't do it for me, but I know it will for plenty and I expect it to sell pretty quickly. And I do want to stay there someday if the 7 month window presents an opportunity, just like I want to eventually try every resort, even the ones that don't appeal to me enough to buy in there.

+1:thumbsup2

Tara
05-30-2009, 10:42 PM
Compared to the industry, DVC has small units. While OKW is large by DVC standards, it's average by timeshare standards.

In my post, everything=DVC resorts that aren't OKW. I'm surprised that needs clarification.

Dean
05-31-2009, 07:21 AM
In my post, everything=DVC resorts that aren't OKW. I'm surprised that needs clarification.Not so much clarification as perspective.

dianeschlicht
05-31-2009, 07:44 AM
This is the only thing that I have to disagree with you...I don't think that *anyone* can dispute that BLT has the *best* location of all of the DVC resorts, perhaps maybe of all Disney resorts. .

I dispute it because of all the parks, MK is the one we visit least. In a 10 day trip, we'll spend one day at MK and maybe another evening for Wishes, but that's it. Just because it's YOUR favorite doesn't mean it is everyones. I think there is no real "Best" location of any Disney resort. The best location for one person is likely to be the worst for another. It was not my intent to debate what is best when I started this thread. I merely wanted to know if others had the same view I did.

scootert
05-31-2009, 11:12 AM
For us, the "best" location will depend on the trip.... if it's just DH & me, our favorite spot is our home BWV.... In a few years, we hope to take our grandchildren and BLT would be great -- easy access to MK with the ability to easily walk back or take the monorail for afternoon naps, swims, etc. When they get older, BCV will be interesting for the pool. DH & I would love to stay at AKV sometime too.

Some locations don't do much for us, and that's fine -- others love them for the reasons we may not. Life would be very boring if we all liked the same thing!!

jade1
05-31-2009, 12:23 PM
For us, the "best" location will depend on the trip.... if it's just DH & me, our favorite spot is our home BWV.... In a few years, we hope to take our grandchildren and BLT would be great -- easy access to MK with the ability to easily walk back or take the monorail for afternoon naps, swims, etc.

See thats what I call a reasonable response to the BLT location. Not to put words in your mouth, but I presume you see BLT's location as a positive aspect of the resort, even though BWV may be an even better location for you currently. Sure its for when you visit MK (even one time) and if you go to watch Wishes (even one time), or hop on the monorail to dine at POLY or GF, or the 3 minute boat ride to Artist Point for an ADR. Your Grandchildren in a few years example is spot on IMO. Currently we choose BCV for location first (and BLT next for MK days) because our kids are 21 and like EPCOT for dining/drinks/entertainment best. But guess what, when those little ones come along and MK is once again the bulk of our park visits, we have already planned those stroller walks back in minutes to BLT while they are asleep, up the elavator and right in to bed-instead of the alternative stampede and hassle.

BWV Dreamin
06-01-2009, 06:25 AM
I am at WDW right now. Yesterday I saw both models at SSR. I have to agree with Diane on this one. I was less than enthused with BLT. We really took alot of time viewing both studio and the one bedroom. I do own 40 points but this was really to use with my VB contract at 7 months. I am staying at VWL and I like this décor, theming and location better than the two new resorts! Go figure...this resort is amazing!

dianeschlicht
06-01-2009, 06:36 AM
I am at WDW right now. Yesterday I saw both models at SSR. I have to agree with Diane on this one. I was less than enthused with BLT. We really took alot of time viewing both studio and the one bedroom. I do own 40 points but this was really to use with my VB contract at 7 months. I am staying at VWL and I like this décor, theming and location better than the two new resorts! Go figure...this resort is amazing!

Yes, the two resorts whose decor and theme fit my style are VWL and AKV. It's that rustic feel I like, but when I'm in Florida, I kind of like the "Florida" feel, and that is what draws me to OKW as much as the vacation villa feel there. I did buy a few points at AKV for the 11 month booking window, but frankly, if it wasn't for the animal viewing, it would not be my first choice. I just really dislike the hotel feel of all the long hallways. That's what I don't like about BWV and BCV as well. I really SHOULD like those areas too, since Epcot is one of my favorite parks. I guess when it comes down to it, I usually end up staying at my favorite, and that's why DVC has all those options.

We actually went to see the BLT models again a couple weeks ago, and I atually liked them less this time than I did the first time. That is actually WHY I started this thread. I just thought since everyone else seemed to be so excited about it, I wondered if others were having the same feelings I was. I have a feeling that style of "contemporary" decor is going to look very dated very quickly much like the original Contemporary did.

DisneyBrideToni
06-01-2009, 09:16 AM
I love BLT. I loved the model rooms. I guess some just don't like the contemporary feel to the room. That is kind of my style which is why I love it. I wasn't feeling AK. It seemed kind of dark and blah to me but I did like the view of the animals. Not enough to buy in there though. I love the monorail option with BLT and the fact that i could walk to MK if I wanted.

Like others have said, there is something for everyone out there. :thumbsup2

BWV Dreamin
06-01-2009, 10:54 AM
I just got back from walking the Contemporary, riding the monorail from inside the resort, and checking out the restaraunts and grounds. First let me say that the monorail IMHO is nothing but a massive people mover. Nothing comforting about it. Fast, well, no. I'll take the bus thank you. Next, the restaraunts are really LOUD. I found very little appeal,rather just hustle and bustle. The only real convienence I see is walking to MK. I have been totally impressed with VWL's CS food offerings and peaceful villas side. Again, just my opinion.

M-I-C-K-E-Y
06-01-2009, 05:31 PM
I don't mean to be negative, but I just can't get excited about BLT. Not the location, not the decor (although I do like those hidden Mickey's in the carpet and the art work), and not really the views.

I'm not sure why, but the pictures left me cold, and when I saw the sample units at the sales center, they felt colder than the photos. Now I agree those big windows in the GVs are magnificent, but who wants to see the parking lot and the toaster???? I guess to me it just like any other high rise hotel...NOT what I want on vacation. I thought I might like to do one stay there for the MK view, but after seeing the photos, I doubt it.

I Disagree, but to each their own. Actually, I understand your feelings - I cannot stand Animal Kingdom Lodge. The theming is too "dark" for me, but I'm sure there's others who disagree.

La2kw
06-01-2009, 07:07 PM
I haven't seen the models yet, but I have always loved the Contemporary. I love being able to walk to the MK and to ride the monorail to Epcot. I also enjoy being on the shores of Bay Lake and being able to sit on a white sand beach, go boating, and enjoying other water sports. When we have stayed at the CR, we have enjoyed resort hopping by monorail to the Poly and the GF for dinner at O'Hana, Citrico's, or Narcoosee's. From the photos I have seen, I do like the decor of the rooms, and I'm looking forward to checking out the models next month.

Dean
06-01-2009, 07:28 PM
I Disagree, but to each their own. Actually, I understand your feelings - I cannot stand Animal Kingdom Lodge. The theming is too "dark" for me, but I'm sure there's others who disagree.It would be silly to disagree with your feelings and impressions. It is dark but I like it overall, esp the intricacies of the theming though I like that at all resorts though some do so more than others. Same exact can be said for VWL except everyone should hate that black and white chair, LOL.