Some true facts regarding BWV & OKW room sizes

[DeeP]

After reading the following statement adnauseam and having seen numbers be exaggerated and or plain out right lies, I decided to run a few of my own numbers...........
OKW rooms are 25% larger the BWV/VWL/BCV rooms. BWV point schedules are 25-100% higher then OKW. BWV dues are more than 25% than OKW. Therefore, BWV dues are 75% than OKW per sq ft per night.

Upon averaging out the room sizes for a studio, 1 BR, 2 BR, and GV, the OKW rooms are 16.5% larger NOT 25% larger and the funny thing is the GV where this poster ALWAYS stays is a whopping 5.5% bigger at OKW than at BWV!

The dues at BWV are 22% more NOT "more than 25%" than OKW. Or in dollar and cents for a 150 pt contract the dues at BWV are a whopping $105.00 more per year or $8.75 per month. I used the smallest contract amount just to get the figures; it can, of course, be adjusted according to the total number of pts of the contract for the yearly cost but the % of difference remains the same it is 22%.

To calculate the point difference I used the BWV standard view since that is most comparable to OKW since there is only one view available at OKW and none have ,of course, a boardwalk or pool view. I used weekly point allottment of pts for both resorts since that is how the points are allotted/balanced by Disney.

Adventure Season (Weekly)
Studio BWV 6% higher
1 BR BWV 1% higher
2 BR BWV 2% higher
GV BWV 50.5% higher

Choice Season (Weekly)
Studio BWV 6% higher
1 BR BWV 1% higher
2 BR BWV 2% higher
GV BWV 50.5% higher

Dream Season (Weekly)
Studio BWV 9% higher
1 BR BWV 7% higher
2 BR BWV 8.8 % higher
GV BWV 50.5% higher

Magic Season (Weekly)
Studio BWV 2% higher
1 BR BWV 2% higher
2 BR BWV 3.3% higher
GV BWV 50.5% higher

Premier Season (Weekly)
Studio BWV 7% higher
1 BR BWV 4.5% higher
2 BR BWV 5.1% higher
GV BWV 40.5% higher

The only BWV that is substantially higher is the GV and even that is at most 50.5% more per week, not 100% more. To figure the units out on a nightly basis is not the way Disney has allotted the pts, however if you want to calculate the pts on a nightly basis then again the only unit that is 100% more for Sun-Thurs only is the GV. For all the other units the % difference is a far, far cry away from even 25%, let alone 100%, no matter whether you calculate the points on a nightly or weekly basis!!!!

So if you want to throw around figures, use the correct numbers. :D

[Desperado]

Thanks for the comparision DeeP. I know boardwalk is smaller, but 25% smaller is just not true. Looks like there is starting to be a pattern regarding the posting of false information, thank you for clearing things up and providing the board with the correct facts.

[SwampFox]

Since we're throwing around facts and figures, lets be a little more accurate with some of our assumptions. ;)


While your 22% figure is certainly more accurate than the wild 25% figure so balatantly used- OKW does have 3 views (all of which cost the same number of points). There are water views, golf course views and woods views- all are Preferred!

You neglected to include the vast majority of BWV rooms in your cost comparison, as the standard view rooms at BWV only comprise about 20% of the rooms. (Please check that figure for accuracy, as I'm not sure if it's 20% or 18% or 22%.) The BWV Preferred View rooms cost many more points, but were strangely omitted from your "factual" report!

The dues change every year- and at one time the difference between OKW and BWV dues was greater than the current variation. You can refigure those differences from prior years to truly offer the facts.

You might also want to provide size difference percentages based on each room size, as merely averaging all rooms doesn't offer an accurate average since OKW has so many more GV's than BWV and BWV doesn't have any dedicated 2BRs at all.

If we're really taking others to task for being a little loose with their facts, please make sure to tighten up your own! ;)

[spruce]

......And the debate goes on......and on.....
DVC is expensive but have some of the nicest resorts we have ever stayed at. We prefer OKW but also own at BWV and BCV, so the others must have something OKW doesn't have.
This horse is dead, buried, decomposed and who really cares.......spruce

[Horace Horsecollar]

The following square footage numbers have often been posted on this board:

Studio
BWV - 359 sq ft
WLV - 356 sq ft
OKW - 376 sq ft
BCV - 356 sq ft

One Bedroom
BWV - 712 sq ft
WLV - 727 sq ft
OKW - 942 sq ft
BCV - 726 sq ft

2 Bedroom
BWV - 1,071 sq ft
WLV - 1,080 sq ft
OKW - 1,333 sq ft
BCV - 1,083 sq ft

Any comparsion that tries to average the room sizes is meaningless because no rooms of "average size" actually exist.

But it is meaningful to compare comparable room sizes:
For studios, the difference in room size is so small as to be almost of no consequence. Anybody expecting a much larger room at OKW will be disappointed.
For 1BR and 2BR units, OKW units are significantly larger -- 32% and 24%, respectively. OKW has substantially larger living rooms and kitchens than the other on-site DVC resorts. And OKW also has spacious balconies. The dining table at OKW is a large round table with 4 chairs; By bringing in the chairs from the 2nd bedroom, it seats 6.

We tend to stay in 2BR units during Magic Season. A full week at OKW is 296 points, while at the other resorts (except for the ellusive BWV standard view), it's 350 points. That's 18% more at the other resorts.

Statistics can be manipulated in any way you want to prove any point. What I've tried to do is to point at real comparsions based on how I use our DVC points. Your mileage may vary.

[Peterd]

"There are water views, golf course views and woods views- all are Preferred!"
Depends what someone considers preferred. Watching old people in plaid pants and green shirts, try to golf by your' window (looking for their balls) at 7 A.M. preferred? don't think so, or watching the water for 5 minutes, oh boy! oh yeah, and the woods, don't have them anywhere else, (All-Stars have some wood views too), you left out the bunnies, and the wild buses.

I still don't understand why so many non BW owners care that the BW has higher dues, higher rooms costs, and slightly smaller units than Okw. Who cares? Don't stay there. Please!
You can sit in your okw room, stare at the bunnies all day, maybe measure the room again, and while you're wondering where you are going to DRiVE to later, keep telling yourself, "at least my rooms were cheaper and we can eat at our table that seats more than two. I hope I bought enough food, 'cause I'm not sure how late Olivia's stays open".
I'm not sure if it happens, but when the people staying at the All-stars drive by the Grand Floridian and see all the fun they're having, they probably tell their kids, "that can't be fun, that costs too much money,and OUR rooms are cheaper".
:jester:

[Horace Horsecollar]

Originally posted by Peterd
I still don't understand why so many non BW owners care that the BW has higher dues, higher rooms costs, and slightly smaller units than Okw. Who cares? Don't stay there. Please!
My reply (and several of the others) in this thread have questioned the "true facts" at the top of this thread.

I don't care so much that BWV has higher dues, higher rooms costs, and "slightly smaller" units than OKW. I do care when someone tries to present meaningless averages (based, among other things, on ignoring BWV Preferred View points rates and giving eqaul weight to rare GVs and plentiful 1BRs) as "true facts."

The DVC resorts are all wonderful. And we're all allowed to have our favorites. But a lot of people read this board, including new members and prospective members, and we have a responsibility not to mislead or to present "true facts" that aren't.

[AnnK]

FACTS from FAQ right here on Dis:

RE: BWV
These truly grand villas average 2142 square feet in size.


RE: OKW
Grand Villa - 2,022 sq. ft.

And that's the facts Jack!

[ncligs]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by SwampFox
The BWV Preferred View rooms cost many more points, but were strangely omitted from your "factual" report!

Deep,

You must have forgot about the pt differences for preferred view at BWV's:confused: .

[DeeP]

Since OKW only has one type of view available at their rooms and does not have a 2 tiered pt plan it seems correct to compare the BWV standard view to OKW only type of view. To compare a BWV boardwalk view to a OKW golf course or woods view is really not comparing equal things! I stated this in the beginning of my post.

As far as the room size differences actually the 1 BR at OKW is 1,016 not 942 sq feet according to the facts listed on Deb Willis site, so I actually gave 74 more square feet of credit to OKW!

As far as actual room size % differences, no problem here they are:
Studio OKW 3.5% larger
1 BR OKW 42.5% larger (this is the biggie!)
2 BR OKW 23.5% larger
GV OKW 5.5% larger
If you want to use the sq footage of 912 for a 1 BR at OKW, no problem then a 1BR at OKW is 32.5% larger not 42.5% larger.
I averaged out the room sizes since that is how it has always been posted over and over "25% larger rooms" --no breakdown according to units in that statement! But now you have a breakdown.

As far as the dues, I used 2002 dues since that they are the current dues amounts, makes sense to me, maybe you think we should use dues from 5 years ago? What bearing would that have on today?????????? What you paid in the past or might possibly pay in the future has no bearing on what you are currently paying or will pay if you buy a DVC membership today!

I agree we need to present new or possible DVC members with facts that are true and the facts that have been repeated over and over and over and over, etc here are far from the truth.

[Beth]

To compare a BWV boardwalk view to a OKW golf course or woods view is really not comparing equal things!


I admire your passion for your resort, DeeP, and I'm trying my best to stay out of this...

But you must honestly admit that the above statement is truly based on opinion, not fact...

Remember. A "preferred" view at BWV does not <i>only</i> refer to a Boardwalk view, but also a "water" view - canal to MGM, Luna Pool, and the quiet pool. OKW has "water" views, also.

You <i>are</i> correct - you're <i>not</i> comparing equal things between the two views - but one isn't necessarily going to be the "better" in the opinion of <i>everyone</i>.

[DeeP]

AnnK,
I looked up the GV sizes on both the DIS and on Deb Willis website and DIS has BWV listed as 2142 , OKW listed as 2,022, while Deb Willis site has GV BWV listed as 2,142, OKW listed as 2,265. There is also a difference in the 1 BR-Dis has OKW listed as 912 while Deb Willis has it listed as 1,016. Knowing how "size sensitive" some OKW owners can be I gave OKW the benefit of the doubt and used the higher sq footage for both the OKW GV and 1 BR. I certainly did not want anyone to say my facts were "not true facts or loose facts". :D

ncligs,
I did not forget about BWV preferred views but as I explained twice now I was doing a fair comparison and comparing OKW golf course view or woods view to a boardwalk view at BWV is like comparing POFQ water view to YC boardwalk view. POFQ water view is very nice but does not compare to a boardwalk view from YC.

[Desperado]

"facts that have been repeated over and over and over and over, etc here are far from the truth"

Agreed. This is a problem. Thank you for your efforts to address this and the time invested to do the homework you did above to provide factual information, especially for those considering membership.

[PKK/MJK]

DeeP, I completely respect your passion for BWV. You are just as committed to your resort as Richyams is to OKW. As an owner at both resorts--and at the new BCV--I feel I can legitimately make a comment here. Saying that the views at OKW--water, golf course and woods--are standard and comparing them to the standard views at BWV--which are primarily views of the parking lot and cochere, is just off-base!! IMHO, it is not a "fair comparison." For a truly accurate comparison, you need to compare OKW to the BWV preferred views. Yes, the BWV preferred views include overlooking the Boardwalk, but they also include views of pools and waterways. While you find overlooking the Boardwalk to be an incredible view, there are others who would think it is much too hectic and noisy. We are fortunate that Disney has created resorts with different atmospheres so everyone can be happy. Frankly, I cannot understand why people have to get so disagreeable about all of this.

[robinb]

Since DeeP didn't seem to want to run all the numbers, I did. Below is the spreadsheet I created to compare points at OKW with BWV for 1 week for each size unit in each season. It includes both standard view and preferred view.

The calculation I used to show how much more expensive BWV is compared to OKW was:

(BWV points/OKW Points) / OKW Points

Enjoy!

Adventure
OKW 80 160 218 356
BWV-S 85 162 222 558
BWV-P 104 200 270 558

%SV 6.3% 1.3% 1.8% 56.7%
%PV 30.0% 25.0% 23.9% 56.7%

Choice
OKW 82 172 232 372
BWV-S 87 174 236 587
BWV-P 106 214 282 587

%SV 6.1% 1.2% 1.7% 57.8%
%PV 29.3% 24.4% 21.6% 57.8%

Dream
OKW 98 196 263 439
BWV-S 107 210 286 676
BWV-P 123 252 314 676

%SV 9.2% 7.1% 8.7% 54.0%
%PV 25.5% 28.6% 19.4% 54.0%

Magic
OKW 109 218 296 501
BWV-S 111 222 306 800
BWV-P 134 270 350 800

%SV 1.8% 1.8% 3.4% 59.7%
%PV 22.9% 23.9% 18.2% 59.7%

Premier
OKW 147 296 405 654
BWV-S 156 310 426 966
BWV-P 181 350 462 966

%SV 6.1% 4.7% 5.2% 47.7%
%PV 23.1% 18.2% 14.1% 47.7%

[PamOKW]

To compare a BWV boardwalk view to a OKW golf course or woods view is really not comparing equal things

When BWV opened, there was one view. OKW and all other DVC's (with the exception of Vero Inn) have one view. The "standard view" at BWV is an abberation brought about by members throwing fits when given rooms that were on the parking lot. I know these rooms are fine and that people like the lower point cost but that is not where comparison of DVC resorts should be made. The "preferred view" is really the actual point cost. Standard view is just a nice way of saying we'll give you a break if you'll take this less desirable view.

[AnnK]

VWL and BCV all have the same "point chart" does that make all their views PREFERRED?

BWV did open with only one point chart, the "standard" was added later, and obviously is popular because you need the 11 month window to get them. I have stayed in a standard view, they are not "on the parking lot". They actually are nice, and have a FANTASTIC view of the fireworks at Epcot,and it was in one of these rooms that we witnessed the space shuttle taking off, not a bad view at all.......

DeeP,
I applaud you on giving OKW'esters the higher of the reported GV sq. footage. I figured the "Dis" would be the source and whatever it reported would be the final word. I LOVE the BW GV's, I find they FEEL more spacious than the OKW GV's ( Each time I stayed I have only gotten the single story, so I cannot comment on the two story.)

[Caskbill]

Robinb, thanks for the post. That should put all the 'numbers' questions to rest at least.

You didn't say in your post, but it looks like you're comparing a full 1-week stay in each type of accommodation: Studio, 1B, 2B, GV.

You might want to edit and clarify that.

P.S., If you'd ever like to know how to put your spreadsheet right on the DIS boards, let me know and I can tell you how. This assumes you're using Windows and Excel. That would save you from retyping all the information. Although it may not save any time, it will be in a chart format.

[BenStone]

I find they FEEL more spacious than the OKW GV's I'm not exactly sure how a smaller room "feels" bigger, but it's probably because of the 3/4 size furniture it's outfitted with.

BenStone

[spruce]

We've stayed at BWV 3 times on preferred points and always requested a BW view at 11 months and never got one. Maybe this summer will be different. We've always had golf or water views at OKW which are gorgeous. We've only ever overlooked a pool at BWV on preferred points which we don't think is gorgeous in any way but we do think is costly point wise. How is it that some are so lucky to get a bw view time after time. A third chart for BW only views won't ever be made but the value at BW is in a standard unless you get the BW view.
An expensive preferred pool view is not better at BWV then a lower point water view at OKW. Maybe I'd feel better if I'd gotten a BW view once. Instead, 3 times we've been to BW and been disappointed with our room location. I don't like going on vacation and being disappointed, which has never happend at OKW.
They are both beautiful resorts but OKW has been a better value to purchase, pay dues on, get better views and have more space. BW has charged more points for less desirable views but we can walk to 2 parks and eat at several resturants. It'll be standard from now on if a BW view doesn't come our way this summer. The value isn't there in a preferred. I am 100% sure of that for those that keep doing percentages......spruce

[Richyams]

Thanks for the research. I believe one thing no one found was that BWV dues were over 30% higher at one point.

But I must thank you for prompting the research.

I can now assuredly say: Bwv dues are 25% higher than OKW, the rooms are 25% smaller and the points are 25% higher.

Thanks.

[robinb]

I can now assuredly say: Bwv dues are 25% higher than OKW, the rooms are 25% smaller and the points are 25% higher.

Rich, that's a little too simplistic :rolleyes:. As a OKW and BWV owner I can say:


BWV dues are 22% higher.
OKW rooms are, on average, 18.75% bigger.
BWV rooms use, on average including SV and PV, 24.2% points.

[Richyams]

Who is now going to take the gauntlet and post that minor correction each and every time I post the 25% thing?

I will just have to do my research and find the years that BWV was 30% higher..

[EmptyNester]

Many may not believe this, but DH and I spent an entire week at OKW WITHOUT a car! We took to buses to the parks (and from there to other resorts) and the boat to DTD. I don't think we waited longer than fifteen minutes for any of the transportation. We visited the parks, we enjoyed wonderful dinners at Artist Point and Jiko, we strolled around the Boardwalk, visited Jellyrolls, enjoyed a show at the Comedy Warehouse - we had a great vacation! (And isn't that what really matters?)

We did the DVC tour while there; when we came home we purchased an OKW resale. It represents what WE happen to look for in vacation accommodations - a very comfortable, quiet place to unwind after a busy day (kinda like home :) )

We live in the country. We like it here; but, I know many people who wouldn't like the seclusion. Neither of us is "wrong"...To each his own, different strokes for different folks... (kinda like DVC. :cool: )

That said, I'd like to thank the opposing teams for the entertainment value of their posts (I find both amusing) ;)

[PamOKW]

find the years that BWV was 30% higher..

:rolleyes: Why?

Rich -- I wouldn't pursue the dues angle much longer. We could come out the losers on that one. I only have BWV #s since 2000. In 2000, the gap between BWV and OKW was $.86. In the next two years, that gap was narrowed to $.70. From 2000 to 2002, BWV dues went DOWN $.10 and OKW went UP $.06. We may reach the point of convergence soon. ;)

[Peterd]

"I'm not exactly sure how a smaller room "feels" bigger, but it's probably because of the 3/4 size furniture it's outfitted with."

or the wasted space.... Ben have you stayed in a BW GV yet?

The BW GV wastes space on the Laundry room, which you could fit another small bath, or something else. The Okw GV wastes a lot of space like the 1 and 2 BRs there.

How does a "smaller" room feel bigger? Get a clue. How many closets do you need? The Okw GV sure bigger, but wasted wasted space. Have you ever entertained in one? The BW puts the space they have for good use. Our last trip, we probably had about 45 to 50 guests in the room. Couldn't do that at the Okw, why would 50 people be in a room at the Okw at night, to decide where they should drive to. A guest told me we had about 30 people on the balcony watching the fireworks one night, didn't notice it.

YES, it seems larger, they don't waste AS MUCH space on bathrooms, closets, and the other crap. So if you're talking entertaining or actual living space, yes the BW is larger, but who cares. Stay at the Okw, it's bigger and cheaper and you can drive to anywhere you want to, but don't drink and drive ok.

[ralphd]

Just request the secret VIP villa that is twice as large as the other villas.

ralphd:confused: :confused: :confused:

[DeeP]

Who is now going to take the gauntlet and post that minor correction each and every time I post the 25% thing?

Why can't you just post true facts???????????????? If you intend, and I am sure you do, to continue to post your tired old: % higher dues, etc, etc , then fill in the correct %, distinquish the % differences between the SV and PV and also the % difference between the different size units. I think it is sooooooo funny that the OKW GV that you ALWAYS stay in is only 5.5% larger than BWV and that is still a question since I used the higher sq footage number that was posted on Deb Willis site not the lower number that is posted here on the DIS, so it may be the BWV is the larger of the two if we use the DIS posted figures which has the BWV GV at 2,142 and OKW GV at 2,022! Since you are such a size sensitive, size hung up type of person this must be a real blow for you to only have a possible, at the most 5.5% difference.:D

BTW, what difference does it make what the dues were years ago, what bearing do they have on today and what people are paying today???? Makes absolutely no sense at all!

[Desperado]

"Why can't you just post true facts????????????????"

A clear track record of posting disshonest information has been established for some posters. The constant obsession with posting known incorrect info has elliminated all credibility. Thank you DeeP for your homework and demonstrating honesty with information you post. You have established a strong track record of credibility in the information you provide. Keep up the great work.

Nice post, Peterd. Well said.

[Richyams]

Thanks to you guys, we now have the true facts.

Do you think I am going to add all that superflous information. It is plenty accurate to say that dues are 25% higher, rooms are 25% smaller and points 25% higher, we all do now realize that this makes BWV dues 75% higher than OKW per sq ft per night.

I thank you guys again for prompting the research.

Would you guys feel better if I added: All numbers are accurate to within 5%????

I could even add this disclaimer:

Many people feel that the location of the BWV and the BW area itself make up for the dramatically higher dues, tiny units and rude point schedule.

[Cruelladeville]

Hey! There are a lot of us who don't think bathrooms and closets represent "wasted" space, and it's not nice to call something "crap" just because it isn't your viewpoint!! I am a BWV and BCV member, and I'm glad I bought there, but there are certain things that I care about, and they are NOT crap! Now, having stayed many times at both OKW and BWV I feel qualified to say that I thought you all lied when you said that OKW was so much larger--I stayed in a studio, and I was sadly disappointed. It took A LOT for my husband to convince me to go back to OKW to try a 1 bedroom--now, you're talking more space!! Wonderful closets! A whole room devoted to laundry!!!!!! Now, that's excitement! A view of men and their balls hitting my balcony--well, you can't have perfection, no matter where you stay. There are wonderful things about all the DVC resorts, don't knock it just because you don't happen to value those things that I value.

[DeeP]

Do you think I am going to add all that superflous information. It is plenty accurate to say that dues are 25% higher, rooms are 25% smaller and points 25% higher, we all do now realize that this makes BWV dues 75% higher than OKW per sq ft per night.

So sad, it has been shown the numbers are not correct not even within 5%, and the % difference is even much less than 25% if you take into account the differences that vary greatly between the room sizes, SV, PV, times of the year, etc. This is far from "superflous" it is quite necessary to get a true picture. But yet you continue to rant that your incorrect blanket statement is the truth. It is so sad that someone has to be so anal and refuse to admit the information they have posted over and over again is incorrect. Post whatever you want and others will just refute whatever misinformation that you post with accurate information. Maybe a disclaimer could be added to the posts that refute the false information such as: Many people feel the OKW larger 1 BR units, slightly lower dues and lower pts which varies greatly <,>according to the unit size and time of the year, are worth the trade off of being located far from all parks, having no deluxe resort amenities, 1 restaurant, 1 mode of transportation, no nighttime entertainment, remote location and a medicore pool.
No problem! :D

[Desperado]

"I thought you all lied when you said that OKW was so much larger-"

Sorry to here that false information posted here put a damper on your trip. There is an ongoing pattern of false information coming from a small minority of posters, one incidence of which Deep has demonstrated in this thread. I don't think what is important to you is crap either.

"There are wonderful things about all the DVC resorts, don't knock it just because you don't happen to value those things that I value."

Very well said.

[ez]

When we became dvc members a couple years ago, my best friend, who is very math minded, immediately had to calculate how much our purchase cost, per point or whatever, calculated over the 40+ years. She said, oh so you are paying x amount then, really. I was just like, I don't know, whatever, I don't need you to calculate numbers to make me feel good about my purchase, I just know my family is really enjoying it. This is how I feel about room sizes, dues, and point debates. Yes I do like accurate statistics and wish people wouldn't manipute them or whatnot to make them feel they got a better deal in their purchase. Really, I am mostly like, who cares????We stayed in a beautiful 2 bedroom at vero earlier this month. We are staying at BCV in Sept. We are staying in OKW this thanksgiving.Oh, yes, and we stayed at our home resort, bwv, earlier this year. We love all dvc has to offer, and I think thats what dvc is all about, Charlie Brown.;)

[trishy]

I'm very glad that the DVC resorts come in all shapes, sizes, atmospheres, locations - gosh, why would anyone want them all to be the same anyway. The fight over minute % differences is irrelevant - it just shows obvious hostility which is being vented here. Our family loves BWV in the summer, OKW in the winter and VWL any time of the year. The only thing in this thread that I found interesting was 30 people on the balcony Wooooaaaaaaaaaa That must have been some sight! :earseek:

[ralphd]

I agree with Trishy that the only interesting thing in the thread is the ' 30 people on the balcony'.
The villa sizes have been posted numerous times.
Move on..............

ralphd :D :D :D :D

[robinb]

Desperado:

Maybe you should re-read what you said back in March on thread http://www.disboards.com/showthread.php?s=&postid=1547585#post1547585


People can present opposing views and still be courteous. Too many people are describing problems in the quotes listed above for them to be ignored. What's the point of being a jerk?


{plonk} Welcome to my ignore list.

[dvcHammer]

what an amazing use of worthless math! A good way to improve your spreadsheet skills, but what, in the end, is the point of it all?

stay where you like, buy what you want, dont stay where you dont like, dont buy your points where you dont want to stay...

we own at BV, have stayed at OKW, may try AK soon, and we will not be packing a yardstick

[manning]

DvcHammer - I couldn't have said it better. The mrs and I chose based on our needs and wants. We did the best we knew how at the time and we aren't going to worry about it. Life is too short. Just enjoy it.

[Peterd]

A post by Cruella,
"Hey! There are a lot of us who don't think bathrooms and closets represent "wasted" space, and it's not nice to call something "crap" just because it isn't your viewpoint!! "

Cruella sorry if I offended, but I was answering the comment below.
"I find they FEEL more spacious than the OKW GV' The reply was:

"I'm not exactly sure how a smaller room "feels" bigger, but it's probably because of the 3/4 size furniture it's outfitted with."


I was trying to show how a room could be larger because of the wasted space in them, but another can be larger for entertaining, like the BW. We have tried to entertain at the Okw but you can't, the BW GV is definitely larger for entertaining purposes. The people that say it's so small, haven't paid the points, experienced it, entertained in it, or stayed in it. I love the extra space in the closets and washer/dryer areas, but was just trying to explain why the square footage comparisons are silly. Usable space.

Trish,
"The only thing in this thread that I found interesting was 30 people on the balcony Wooooaaaaaaaaaa That must have been some sight! "

I didn't really notice it, we take two of our good friends every trip, and one told me, did you Know we had over 30 on the balcony last night? We had close to 20 in the room at the same time. We were not counting, but you could have easily entertained another 30 or so comfortably. We had about 11 rooms and it was great, six balconies in the GV. Doing it again in Nov. The kids and the parents loved it. If you have the extra points, you have to try a BW GV for two weeks some time. Never worried about our dues statement, and the rooms were definitely better than any other GV options DVC offered on property.

[Desperado]

robinb,
whatever.

[Dean]

How about we calculate the cubic volume of the GV units at BW and OKW. Since the GV at OKW are all 2 story with an open 2 story living area, that should increase the comparisions far greater than Rich's 25%. How about it Rich, up for the challenge. LOL. Seriously, there are a few differences in this debate that are important to some. The larger kitchen and dining area at OWK can truly be important as can the full size W/D. I know we had 12 people with a 2 BR and two studios in 1999 and used the 2 BR as home base. The extra living area was important as well. A 2 BR at any of the other resorts would not have been large enough for what we needed.

OTOH, if it's just the four of us with a 1 or 2 BR, the kitchen doesn't really matter that much. Not having the two regular beds in the second BR would matter though if both teens are going.

[POOH&PIGLET]

Originally posted by dvcHammer
what an amazing use of worthless math! A good way to improve your spreadsheet skills, but what, in the end, is the point of it all?

stay where you like, buy what you want, dont stay where you dont like, dont buy your points where you dont want to stay...

we own at BV, have stayed at OKW, may try AK soon, and we will not be packing a yardstick

Well said dvcHammer.
Some people need to lighten up a bit.
Don't take everything so seriously. :crazy:
All the stress you are causing youself will lead you to an early grave. :earseek:

[Frank in WI]

This childish debate should be moved to the debate board. It serves no purpose other than to cause normally friendly people to squabble about meaningless "facts". The resorts are what they are and no debate is going to change them. I vote to move this to the debate board.

[DeeP]

Maybe you should re-read what you said back in March on thread

robinb,
Maybe you should re-read what Desperado wrote in the thread you quoted. Desperado was making the same type of comment some people here have been trying to make throughout this thread.........about people acting like jerks, people that post the same lies and crap over and over again and how these people's comments referring to this crap should not be ignored!

[WebmasterDoc]

This thread has gotten way too personal and several posts have strayed from any semblance of a DVC topic.