RICHYAMS, You're bumming me out!!....

[POLLY ANN]

On your post on the thread regarding the best resort, you said that you feel "cramped in a 2br at BW" and that the "dining area is a joke".

You've bummed me out because we are inviting guests to stay with us for 10 days - 3 days will be spent at BW in a 2br and the rest in a GV at OKW. We want to WOW them at both resorts and are having them stay in the MBR with their toddler, while we use the other room with our 3 young children at BW. (WE get the MBR at OKW! lol)

Is there ANYTHING good you can say about BW that can make me feel better about staying there, even for those few short days?

Thanks. ;) ;) :D

[Richyams]

Sorry, but the dining room table is suitable for two or three people at most.

Yes there is. You may not have to waste any time in the gym, the walks to your room could suffice. I hear that the BWV hallways are used to train for the WDW marathon.

It is a beautiful resort. The proxomity to Epcot and the Boardwalk area itself are really great.

I just feel that for a room that is intended to sleep eight, the dining room, the kitchen and many of the balconys should have been larger. Four adults and four kids are not going to fit in the living room very well.

I hope you are going to BWV first so that you can finish on a high note.

Many are going to post how beautiful the resort is, how they don't eat in the room anyway, how they love the proximity to the parks, while all that is true, it doesn't change the fact that there is dining for two.

I would stay at BWV again if it was just the two of us, maybe even with the kid in a one bedroom if we had a reason to be there, family or some special event and if it was only for a day or two. If I am vacationing, its OKW or bust.

[kamgen]

We had a 2 bd at BWV last December and we loved it!!!!
Don't worry!! Things will be beautiful!!!

Kamy :)

[DebbieB]

Go to Illuminations at Epcot and see how nice it is to beat the crowds and just walk back to your room! :cool: I love the festive atmosphere on the Boardwalk at night. In the morning, I love walking out and seeing the lake and the boats and stroll over to Epcot. MGM & Epcot are also a quick boat ride if you don't want to walk.

In addition to the table, there is also a counter that 2 other people can eat at (4 chairs total). There's also a table & 2 chairs in the 2nd bedroom (studio).

[JonHM]

What a can of worms this thread is going to turn into...

Polly, it really depends on your personal taste in resorts. When they first decided to begin putting DVC Villas in existing resort areas, they were *much* more limited in space than they were when they were creating OKW. It was either make the Villas the size they did, or else have *many* fewer units and thus many fewer members with a home resort of BWV. Personally, I *LOVE* the 2BR Villas at BWV - we had a Boardwalk View room in January, and YES, we all ate several meals in the room - 6 adults and a toddler, and we thought it was *fantastic*!!! If you really want to wow them, I would *definitely* do everything that you can do to try to get a Boardwalk view. If you can't get a Boardwalk view, then as your second choice ask for something near the elevators.
The rooms are absolutely beautiful, there is SO much to do on the Boardwalk (and so many great restaurants) and you can walk to both Epcot and MGM (or take a friendship launch if you'd rather).
I wouldn't be disheartened. Rich is extremely biased and defensive in his expression of his views towards OKW and BWV, and rarely uses smiley faces when he's being funny - so take what he says about BWV with a grain of salt. You'll love it. PLEASE be sure to post a trip report once you're back. By the way, when are you going?

[Tigger1]

Walk around the lake on the boardwalk at night. I watched Epcots fireworks from there. Also the pool is much nicer at BWV.

You will love it.

[POLLY ANN]

Oh, I don't want to open a can of worms. Please! This was just a tease for Rich. I have been on these boards for 2 1/2 years. I know Rich's biased opinions well, and have enjoyed reading them, actually. I wanted to see if I could get him to say something NICE without being negative! I guess it didn't work! lol ;)

I know I will enjoy the BW very much, I am so looking forward to staying there, even with the LONG hallways and the "cramped" quarters! We have been to OKW several times and have wanted to try out the BW each time but were not thrilled about switching resorts. This time we will bite the bullet and do it.

JonHM, I agree with you about personal tastes. I LOVE OKW, probably as much as Rich does. It is definitely my and my husband's kind of resort. My dh's passion is golf and he enjoys sitting out on the balcony and watching the golfers (wishing he could be out there but I won't let him because it's soooo expensive, IMO. lol)

And as much as we love OKW, we also love the nightlife and fine dining that the BW offers, although we might not do too much of that with our kids (they will be almost 6, 4 1/2, and 16 months when we go. Do you think they will let us in at Spoodles? :D )

We will be there from January 22 - February 1, 2003. It seems so far away but I am enjoying the anticipation of going, because the time there goes sooo quickly!

Rich, thanks for your post, and staying strong on your opinions. You're definitely not a gray area type of person. I do admire that, even if I don't agree with you sometimes. :cool:

[Sammie]

Personally I think Rich is only be truthful, maybe his demeanor in being so, rubs some the wrong way but he is just stating facts.

I mean we are talking square footage and furniture size. The Boadwalk is a beautiful resort and yes the closeness to Epcot and MGM, the pool, the dining possiblities are all wonderful amenties but the rooms are smaller, there is no getting around that. Walking to certain rooms at the Boardwalk once you get off the boat or bus, is definitely longer than from your car parked right in front of your OKW villa or the bus stop right across the street.

As to the dining situation, the table at OKW is full dining room set, you won't have that at the BW or the new BC vilas.

There is nothing wrong with either resort, but if you want large, spacious accomidations for 8 then OKW is it. If you want smaller accomidations but the amenties mentioned above then the BW is the answer.

No wrong choice, just very different ones.

[jctwizzer]

The only advice I give WDW visitors is to not take for granted the opinions of others----on ANY part of the trip experience....from rental cars, to lodging, to best rides or parks.......because of the difference is people, you need to go and make up you own mind on everything.......frequently you'll find that, in YOUR opinion the other guy didn't know what he/she was talking about....and have fun, for goodness sake:smooth:

[POLLY ANN]

AMEN

[PamOKW]

I wanted to see if I could get him to say something NICE

Now, to be fair, Rich has mellowed on BWV. Before he tried it, he ABSOLUTELY hated it. Now, that he's been there, he at least has specific complaints about things HE doesn't like. ;)

I always thought BWV was a nice option -- like the option to stay at any of the WDW resorts. After staying there myself, it is absolutely wonderful. It is different from OKW but both are terrific!

[CaptainMidnight]

I hope one of the improvements the BCV has offerred is the improved seating capacity in the dinning area, so that there is enough room for the 5 of us in our 1 bedroom or 9 of us in our two bedroom to enjoy dinner.
:-)

[Richyams]

Trust me, I have not mellowed at all. I get way too many e-mail thanking me for my posts to ever dream of lightening up because of one or two people that I consider too easily offended.

I think if you actually look at my posts, you will see that I use the same terms and expressions that I ever have....I even came up with a new one: "I heard they are using BWV hallways for marathon training"

Trust me, your criticisms have fallen on deaf, stone deaf, boulder deaf ears.

I liked the 'marathon training' one.

[JonHM]

It was OK, but far from your best work...

;)

[Lesley]

I like the marathon training one too.....I used to have a few good ones about OKW but since friendly ribbing is taken so personally by some I haven't posted on these issues in a long time or come up with new material.

I actually do agree that the dining area in a BWV 2br isn't sufficient for formal meals....but the table and counter w/chairs, then the coffee table,etc...is fine for informal meals where not everyone is worried about having to sit at one table in a group. In my own family this is a common arrangement for any occasion where there are more than 6 people so it doesn't bother us at all.

As far as impressing your guests......unless they are accustomed to always staying in presidential suites at luxury hotels, I think its safe to say they'll be impressed! I personally wish I had guests to take who are a little harder to impress...lol....because the place wouldn't have to be nearly as nice as it is to impress everyone I know!

[robinb]

Polly Ann,

I know you were just teasing Rich, but I do agree with him on the lack of dining space for 4 adults and 4 children.

I just looked at my photos from a BWV 1BR taken a couple of years ago and started counting the possible dining areas:
Robin's BWV 1BR Photos (http://www.photoaccess.com/share/guest.jsp?ID=ACEC3432711&cb=PA)


There are 2 chairs at the small table in the living room/kitchen area.
There are 2 chairs at the breakfast bar.
The couch could sit 2 or maybe 3 and they could eat off of the coffee table or from plates on their laps.
There is one extra chair in the living room that could be pulled up to the coffee table on the other side.


That leaves a lot of people "perching" and not eating comfortably, IMO. Of course, the kids might enjoy eating at the coffee table leaving the real chairs for the adults, but think about the clean-up!

[Richyams]

I think it was an efficiency move. You could actually only use two plates. You could simply switch off. Leave the plates at the table and eat in shifts. Hey, its family, I've eaten from my wifes plate, ok, just a forkfull or two, but think of all the water saved by not washing as many dinners.

There are also health benefits. You can't just sit around after dinner, you have to get up, someone else needs to sit down.....and since there aren't many other places to sit, you'll have to stand anyway.

BWV, built for efficiency and health!!!!

New BWV slogon

[ncligs]

Rich,

Your last post ("use same plates") was a classic!!!Keep up the good work;) .

[POLLY ANN]

OMG, Rich, I am in TEARS I'm laughing so hard at that last one!!

That actually may work out for us, although dh and I have never shared plates but we do share a glass all the time! lol And, we are going with very close friends, which is a good thing, so maybe we can all share one plate! Maybe we'll just put the kids in the jacuzzi to eat, too! That would be a quick clean up!

Oh, no, I'm just getting a bit too silly here today. Thanks, though, for the chuckles. And, that's all this thread has been, just a bit of a stress reliever. And, I've been in dire need of that lately. But, that's another story :)

Oh, and BTW, Rich, Boardwalk is our first stop and then on to OKW. I have to save my favorite for last. ;)

robinb, thanks for sharing those photos. I always enjoy seeing pictures of anything in WDW! I'm sure we will manage the seating arrangements, and if not, heck, we'll go out! :D

[Richyams]

Boardwalk is our first stop and then on to OKW

I think that will make it fine. You can concentrate on park commando stuff and the Epcot and Boardwalk area while you are there and then relax at OKW in the ultimate of comfort. The bad part is that splitting a vacation like that may just sour you completely on BWV for large groups.

[TiggerFreak]

We have entertained 12 for dinner at VWL in a 2bdr, which are exactly the same size as BW (please correct me if I'm wrong).
Not everyone got to sit at a table, but hey, if I wanted formal I'd go to the WIne Makers dinner during the Food & Wine Festival!

Seriously, you should have plenty of room with 4 adults and 3 kids in any DVC 2br. Like she said "It's not the size that matters, ..." :)

[Dean]

I know there's a lot of humor, sarcasm and tongue in cheek in this thread. I do however feel that the 2 BR at BW can be difficult from an eating standpoint when a large group is involved. While BW will technically sleep 8, it is more suitable for 4-6 people. OKW may or may not be one's cup of tea but it is more suited for the upper limits of capacity for the 2 BR compared to all other DVC resorts. Same can be said for the studios. For the other unit sizes I think it makes less difference.

[Cinderella]

Pollyanna - u will have a great time I am sure. U can take your kids to any WDW restaurant. We did Spoodles at lunchtime with a four and two year old (freebie on the DVC tour) and Flying Fish in the evening with the kids. They all have kids portions, except V and A's. I think in the Flying Fish they had proper fish and chips for the kids. I have to add that the Flying Fish is a bit pricey to take your kids to though.

[DeeP]

When you stay at BWV you will have numerous excellent restaurants right outside your door. BWV is a deluxe resort and usually when people stay at deluxe resorts on vacation dining out at fine restaurants is definitely part of the vacation experience.
When you stay at OKW you will need the large kitchen and the dining table to cook your meals, wash the dishes, clean the kitchen etc., since there is only 1 restaurant at the resort, it is located very far away from many of the buildings and it is definitely not considered fine dining.

[Desperado]

"because of one or two people that I consider too easily offended"

Can't blame it on 1 or 2 people when your own poll shows over one hundred:
http://www.disboards.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=189631&perpage=15&pagenumber=1

[DeeP]

Can't blame it on 1 or 2 people when your own poll shows over one hundred:

He has conveniently forgotten that! He loves to exaggerate numbers to try and make his lame, repetitive statements. :rolleyes:

[Richyams]

Now notice, unlike you, I never attack anyone personally. You seem to thrive on attacking, well if you find it fun, go right ahead, I actually enjoy it.

[Desperado]

Just correcting lies with facts. Saying only one or two people is a lie.

[DeeP]

Not attacking anyone just stating the truth.

[fkj2]

There might have been some Disney thought to building smaller dining areas in the DVC located so close to so many restaurants. While having the ability to 'cook in" was part of the original selling pitch of owning DVC and since Dis wanted to build as many sellable units as possible and space was/is an issue in the BWV, BCV and VWL, there might be some financial motive in making the dining areas in the later resorts smaller.

Several posters have already noted that if the two bedroom units are too crowded for meals for up to 8 people, just eat out. I'm sure that spending $$$$ in those "fine" Dis restaurants suits Dis just "fine"

[ncligs]

Desperado and DeeP,

Bottom line....most DIS'ers enjoy the posts by Rich:D ....Nobody is forcing anybody to read his posts;) Everyone knows all DVC resorts are "1st class". If Rich gets people to smile:D or laugh:) , what is the harm??:confused:

[Richyams]

What a can of worms this thread is going to turn into...

It doesn't turn into a can of worms until we get this crowd, oh well, there they go again....

[DeeP]

Bottom line....most DIS'ers enjoy the posts by Rich

From the results of his own poll more than 1/2 of the people that responded do not enjoy his posts.

It doesn't turn into a can of worms until we get this crowd, oh well, there they go again....

People that live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones! The same can be said regarding you....there he goes again, and again and again, etc.

[Richyams]

Sorry, but I don't participate in childish personal attacks....but I am having fun egging you on....

[Desperado]

ncligs,
Didn't say there was a harm. But claiming
"because of one or two people that I consider too easily offended" is a lie as demonstrated by a poll with over 200 responses.
http://www.disboards.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=189631&perpage=15&pagenumber=1

Just correcting lies with facts, where's the harm? Nobody's forcing you to read this post if you don't want to.

[robinb]

Some people's kids. *sigh*

:rolleyes: :confused: :rolleyes:

[trishy]

and this pertains to BW ..... how?

Anyway, I own at BWV - I love it. We're a family of 5 and yes the dining area *sucks* for a family of 5, but it's still a great resort. I'd be proud and honored to take another family with us to show off our home resort because of the numerous amenities. A BW view is a must for showing it off properly though :p . I love OKW - stayed there over December/January holiday and it can't be beat size-wise. It's a refreshing, quiet vacation whereas BWV is quick, loud and exciting. I'm visiting VWL (home resort, too) for the first time in exactly 9 days and look forward to experiencing that atmosphere also. :D

[Richyams]

Has anyone else had their name in the title of as many threads or been talked about as much as I have????

I want to thank the Academy for all the've done to support me, I want to thank my supporters, without you, I couldn't laugh as hard, and I want to thank my attackers for being so predictable and easy to egg on.

Thank you all!!!!!

[ncligs]

Desperado and Deep,

Rich took the words right out of my post I was writing...do you think Desperado and Deep subject titles would have 38 posts and 1209 views in 24 hrs(and counting)?????:D

[Desperado]

True. I don't know of anyone else who has had over one hundred people vote that they no longer want them to post on the boards. But that does not mean that posting a known lie saying that it is only 1 or 2 people shouldn't be corrected with factual information that shows it is over 100. That is all I have said, I just corrected this known lie with facts showing it to be false. Haven't said anything else. No reason to lie in posts.

[Richyams]

You mean that two or three people registered dozens of time to vote.

How many times did you register?

Do you remember the way that went? All of a sudden 'no' votes without comment started to appear.

I could post again from there and other places all the gushing posts of support I get, you should see the number of e-mails I get from people telling me to keep it up and not to let critics temper my posts.

It is only a couple of people that get threads closed with personal attacks and the like. Only a couple of people that ruin the fun we are trying to have.

Even this thread was going great until the dark ones showed up.

[POLLY ANN]

Do I have to ask for this thread to be closed? ;)

Gee, I started this all in fun. I hope it stays that way.

Thanks. :)

[Richyams]

And you were successful in getting me to say something nice about BWV.....

It is a beautiful resort. The proxomity to Epcot and the Boardwalk area itself are really great.

I guess you missed this :confused:

Because you said
I wanted to see if I could get him to say something NICE without being negative! I guess it didn't work! lol

For me, I would qualify my statement as 'gushing' in regard to BWV.

I do want to try a BWV GV, they are twice the number of points at some times of year, I am not sure I can justify that to stay in the smaller room. I have seen the single floor GV, I have never seen the two floor one...or even a floorplan for it. These are also not impossivble to get on weekends during the seven month window.

[Richyams]

Oh, I'm sorry, I just reread your post. You were hoping for something nice WITHOUT anything negative....sorry, that is just to high a hurdle for me.

Let me try

The valets are very polite!!

How was that?

[Richyams]

BWV windows have very clear glass!!

[Richyams]

I have never heard of even one elevator accident at BWV!

[Richyams]

The coffee cups at BWV don't leak at all, not even a little bit!!

How am I doing?

[Desperado]

Claiming "because of one or two people that I consider too easily offended" is false. It's more than one or two people. Rich has seen the large volume of comments in many threads and knows that this statement is not true. Nobody said there were not comments on the other side, that almost 1/2 the people in the poll didn't vote the other way, or anything about any supportive e-mails sent to Rich. He posted "because of one or two people that I consider too easily offended" which is a false statement. Rich knows that there are many more than one or two people with specific comments and many names attached and that posting something different than this is completely false. Nobody is talking about funny or not funny, popularity, or falsely rehashing the dynamics of an old poll. Two people didn't vote 50 times each. The poll is one example, no need to bring up any others or post previous quotes. Why do you keep responding to the correction of this false statement with all these off topic posts that do not have anything to do with "because of one or two people that I consider too easily offended."

I don't have any problem with other statement or jokes made above about resorts or anyone's participation in this thread, I'm not name calling, no opinion has been expressed one way or the other. It was a false statement to make, that is all that has been said. Back to the fun of humorously trashing other resorts huh? Boardwalk rooms are too small.

[Richyams]

Ask to get it closed, these malcontents aren't going to stop.

Chalk up another one for the dark ones.

[BCV23]

Oh, I was really having fun reading the positives about BWV, Richyams. The clear glass one made me laugh out loud:) !

[Desperado]

Rich, didn't you post "I am having fun egging you on...."?

A false statement was corrected with the facts. Now that it has been corrected we can move on. Why do you keep responding?

Back to the fun. Boardwalks rooms are too small. OWK is better than any other resort.

[AnnK]

"Back to the fun. Boardwalks rooms are too small. OWK is better than any other resort."
AGREED!
OKW is great for watching the grass grow......
OKW is great for older people..........
OKW has lots of bunnies, and ducks...........
You can always ride a bus while staying at OKW..........
OKW has 4 pools and it doesn't matter which one you go to, they are all the same.....
You don't need reservations at the only OKW restaurant.
You can build your biceps while carting you own lugguge to and from your room, during the trip you can maintain this routine by carting strollers, children etc.....
:jester:

[Richyams]

OKW has lots of bunnies, and ducks...........

lol

[Regina]

I knew when I saw the title of this post yesterday that I'd need Tylenol by today.:rolleyes:

Come on folks, let's not constantly stir up the same hornet's nest.
There are some things that will never be agreed upon, but that's simply how life is.

How about calling a truce? Both sides had their say, opinions are not going to change, and to perpetuate this is futile.

You don't want me to pull out the padlock, do you?;)

[Desperado]

"Both sides had their say"

Thanks for letting both sides have a say. No more Tylenol needed.
Keep up the great job, moderators.

[Caskbill]

Hope this doesn't stir up the nest again. but
Claiming "because of one or two people that I consider too easily offended" is false. is not exactly a true statement. Offering a poll that was split basically 50/50 does not make the statement untrue.

Rich clearly says 'people that <b>he</b> considers <i>easily</i> offended." Don't want to put words in Rich's mouth, but I'm thinking maybe he considers that for the other 98 people it take a lot more to offend them?.....;)

On the other side maybe of the 100 that support him, only 2 'faithfully' support him and the other 98 'mainly' support him.

Basically my point is, (I did some graduate work in statistics), that the poll that was referenced is totally worthless to support any argument one way or the other. (The right kinds of questions were not put into the poll).

Rich expressed an opinion. The competition brings up a totally unscientific poll to contradict an opinion.

Sorry, it just doesn't work that way. So for this point, Score: Rich 1, Others 0.

Any other points to make? I'd be happy to be referee....:jester:

[CarolAnnC]

Same old, same old. Sorry folks, the party is over, and this thread is closed.

Regina, please pass me the Tylenol....