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toocherie
05-05-2009, 07:17 PM
Reading through these threads, there are lots of folks who sacrifice in their lives to be able to go to Disneyland. I especially really admire all the single Moms and Dads who struggle everyday but are somehow able, by hook or by crook, to share the magic with their kids. Kudos to you.

But I worry about the people going to Disneyland who maybe should re-think their plans--who are sacrificing food on the table or medicine in the cabinet to instead go to the Happiest Place on Earth. Who are down to their last dollars and trying to figure out a way to get to Anaheim and get their piece of the magic.

For these people, has Disney somehow morphed from a "want"--which I believe it is for most people--to a "need"-- that they somehow can't resist? Has it somehow become an addiction of sorts?

Obviously most of the people on this board are adults capable of making their own decisions . . . . but for some is the Disney allure just too much? In Nevada they have a special "Gamblers Anonymous" line that they pass out brochures for. Should Disney be doing the same? (I know--that's silly--but in some ways people spending at Disney probably spend as much as in a casino.)

Thoughts from everyone --is Disney a "want" or a "need" for you?

mechurchlady
05-05-2009, 07:42 PM
For me Disneyland was a need but I downgraded it to a want. I lvoe the parks and how they accept me besides my neurovarancies and other stuff. I exercise there, I eat one meal that is safe for me, and work on social skills while getting the socialization that I cannot get online because of rude people.

I needed the parks so I would have the incentive to exercise but I never let that need overwhelm me. i waited and in time found a super speedy scotter for $125. I suffered but now am in the process of getting a bus pass so I can get the scooter to parks. I only go if I am healthy so that is incentive to be good with my medical diets as well as not gain weight.

I do agree that sometimes I see in real life or on boards people who sacrifice everything to go to parks. Counseling comes from friends, family and people online. A person has to realize they have a problem then they must choose to take action to deal with the problem then maintain that self awareness.
I know I have a problem and in dealing with my mother I almost did something bad but then found another outlet. A smoker is not going to quit until they realize they must quit. Harp all you want and post pictures but they will not change.

I hear my pastor's family saying there are needs and wants. I want new clothes, car, and house but what I have does just fine. I want badly WDW, a DCL cruise, and DLR special events stuff and to visit DLR twice a week. I do not need it though and know the consequences from such actions.

I do hope people realize that it is great to be at DLR or even Yosemite Park but what happens if the bread winner gets sick and cannot work. I cannot wait to hear what others have to say.

PinkBudgie
05-05-2009, 07:44 PM
I have a theory that some people have addictive personalities and if it isn't one thing it would be another. However, I don't know of anyone who is honestly at that level of addiction with DL. I know I would joke and say I'm addicted, but it is a strong "want" for me. Part of the fun for me when I have a strong "want" is looking forward to it. But I'd never go into debt over a "want". :)

fairykin
05-05-2009, 10:50 PM
hhhhhhmmmmmmmmmmmm......

I've wondered the same thing. I see where a poster says they are on goverment funding as a sole base for income yet they are in the park all the time and frequently having character meals.

Then I see another poster who is a single parent who works a day job, goes to school and also works a weekend job just to be able to take her children to disneyland maybe twice a year....maybe.

I don't get it.:confused3

My DH and I save year round for our trips. We are also empty nesters, with three kids in various stages of college. We rarely eat out, I cook all the time. I just don't know how some people do it all the time. We take care of our family first.. and then our home..then our cars...next clothing... then we plan vacations.

I just don't think I could go to disneyland if my home was not taken care of..or if my car needed repairs.. or if i didn't have adequate clothing to wear.

Perhaps it comes down to priorities.

I once read a post from a woman about to have their family home reposessed and she was asking if she sold her jewelry would it be alright to go to wdw? I couldn't understand how she would be in such dire financial situation to almost be homeless and be thinking of going to wdw.
Surprisingly some people said go.:confused3

I just don't understand.

toocherie
05-05-2009, 10:59 PM
hhhhhhmmmmmmmmmmmm......

I've wondered the same thing. I see where a poster says they are on goverment funding as a sole base for income yet they are in the park all the time and frequently having character meals.

Then I see another poster who is a single parent who works a day job, goes to school and also works a weekend job just to be able to take her children to disneyland maybe twice a year....maybe.

I don't get it.:confused3

My DH and I save year round for our trips. We are also empty nesters, with three kids in various stages of college. We rarely eat out, I cook all the time. I just don't know how some people do it all the time. We take care of our family first.. and then our home..then our cars...next clothing... then we plan vacations.

I just don't think I could go to disneyland if my home was not taken care of..or if my car needed repairs.. or if i didn't have adequate clothing to wear.

Perhaps it comes down to priorities.

I once read a post from a woman about to have their family home reposessed and she was asking if she sold her jewelry would it be alright to go to wdw? I couldn't understand how she would be in such dire financial situation to almost be homeless and be thinking of going to wdw.
Surprisingly some people said go.:confused3

I just don't understand.

I know that I used to have a shopping addiction (you know it's bad when QVC emails YOU) -- I just loved coming home and finding boxes on the porch. It was like getting presents everyday--my neighbors used to tease that every time the UPS truck was on our block it was for me. Literally some times I would come home and the stack of boxes would be higher than me (not that I'm that tall!)

I can't believe the thousands of dollars I must have spent--and some of the stuff is still in boxes. so I can understand addiction to a point--but I make a comfortable income and could afford it--that's amazing that that lady wanted to sell her jewelry and go to WDW--that is just nuts. I know I've seen shows (on Oprah maybe?) where people talk about the hundreds of thousands of dollars they've spent on shopping . . . or gambling . . . . or cars . . . . maybe Oprah should do a show on Disney! Like PinkBudgie said--if it's not one thing it's probably going to be another--I know I'm an addictive personality--but I don't let it put me or my loved ones in jeopardy.

Stacerita
05-05-2009, 11:17 PM
hhhhhhmmmmmmmmmmmm......

I've wondered the same thing. I see where a poster says they are on goverment funding as a sole base for income yet they are in the park all the time and frequently having character meals.

Sure everyone deserves to have some fun, I think this is totally wrong. Seriously, our tax dollars going to fund someones many many trips to the parks is wrong. And having character meals all the time? No need for that. Some people need to get their priorities in order. Trips to the parks are not needs, they are wants. Plain and simple. Get your bills paid, fix your house, make sure you are eating healthy, make sure you are taking your meds and seeing a doctor.....those are more of a need than the parks. Anyone who thinks the parks are a need is seriously sick in the head.

Then I see another poster who is a single parent who works a day job, goes to school and also works a weekend job just to be able to take her children to disneyland maybe twice a year....maybe.

I fall somewhere in that area. I work extremely hard to get what I have, and I enjoy the fact that I am able to take my DD to DL often. Do we eat at the park every time? No. Do we do character meals? Only on special occasions. But before we go to the parks, all my stuff is in check. That's the right way to do it.

I don't get it.:confused3

I don't either.

My DH and I save year round for our trips. We are also empty nesters, with three kids in various stages of college. We rarely eat out, I cook all the time. I just don't know how some people do it all the time. We take care of our family first.. and then our home..then our cars...next clothing... then we plan vacations.

That is how it is supposed to be done. Take care of family and go from there. Vacations are a treat, not a necessity.

I just don't think I could go to disneyland if my home was not taken care of..or if my car needed repairs.. or if i didn't have adequate clothing to wear.

Any normal person wouldn't. There is no way a rational person would go to the parks if it came down to a trip, or food on the table.

Perhaps it comes down to priorities.

Exactly, some people have them. Others have excuses.

I once read a post from a woman about to have their family home reposessed and she was asking if she sold her jewelry would it be alright to go to wdw? I couldn't understand how she would be in such dire financial situation to almost be homeless and be thinking of going to wdw.
Surprisingly some people said go.:confused3

Those people are enablers. Change WDW to Meth, and would people say the same? "Should I sell my jewlery to get my meth?"

I just don't understand.

Its a want.


For some reason my other post quote didnt come up.......anywho,
I agree with what you said Cheryl about addiction. Some people just have an addictive personality. Some people is shopping, for others its alcohol or food. The point where it becomes a problem is when it starts interfering with your life. Did shopping ever keep you from paying bills or buying meds? Probably not. Thats the difference.

toocherie
05-05-2009, 11:35 PM
Heaven help anyone in that position (or me with my shopping) if the Budget Board people ever got ahold of them !! :rotfl2:

jordansmomma
05-05-2009, 11:40 PM
hhhhhhmmmmmmmmmmmm......

I've wondered the same thing. I see where a poster says they are on goverment funding as a sole base for income yet they are in the park all the time and frequently having character meals.

This really bugs me. If you are living off gov't help, how the heck can you afford to go to the parks? Character meals? People need to get their priorities straight before they start going to DL.

Then I see another poster who is a single parent who works a day job, goes to school and also works a weekend job just to be able to take her children to disneyland maybe twice a year....maybe.

I fall into this somewhere. I am a single mom. I work fulltime & attend school fulltime & I work a 2nd job in the summer. The second job is for fun. I love bartending. I use the extra money for tuition & extras. Extras include mini vacations or trips to WDW or DL. I always, always make sure that things are in order before I even leave. I can plan all I want & sometimes it works out & sometimes it doesn't. But I always make sure my families needs come before a vacation or the extras that we WANT!

I don't get it.:confused3

:confused3

My DH and I save year round for our trips. We are also empty nesters, with three kids in various stages of college. We rarely eat out, I cook all the time. I just don't know how some people do it all the time. We take care of our family first.. and then our home..then our cars...next clothing... then we plan vacations.

I just don't think I could go to disneyland if my home was not taken care of..or if my car needed repairs.. or if i didn't have adequate clothing to wear.

Perhaps it comes down to priorities.

I once read a post from a woman about to have their family home reposessed and she was asking if she sold her jewelry would it be alright to go to wdw? I couldn't understand how she would be in such dire financial situation to almost be homeless and be thinking of going to wdw.
Surprisingly some people said go.:confused3

That is just flippen crazy. I know on another thread there was a lady who was upset that her foodstamps were being cut, her husband was laid off but yet, she was still talking about her trip to WDW?? :confused3 If I had to worry about putting food on the table and paying my bills, the last thing I would be doing is planning a vacation.

I just don't understand.


I know that I used to have a shopping addiction (you know it's bad when QVC emails YOU) -- I just loved coming home and finding boxes on the porch. It was like getting presents everyday--my neighbors used to tease that every time the UPS truck was on our block it was for me. Literally some times I would come home and the stack of boxes would be higher than me (not that I'm that tall!)

I can't believe the thousands of dollars I must have spent--and some of the stuff is still in boxes. so I can understand addiction to a point--but I make a comfortable income and could afford it--that's amazing that that lady wanted to sell her jewelry and go to WDW--that is just nuts. I know I've seen shows (on Oprah maybe?) where people talk about the hundreds of thousands of dollars they've spent on shopping . . . or gambling . . . . or cars . . . . maybe Oprah should do a show on Disney! Like PinkBudgie said--if it's not one thing it's probably going to be another--I know I'm an addictive personality--but I don't let it put me or my loved ones in jeopardy.

I think we had the same addiciton..........

Princess Sarah 92
05-05-2009, 11:43 PM
i dont understand how people go alot in general!
all my life i have only been twice
once when i was 2 so i dont remember it
and once for my bday this year, only because i got in free
maybe its because my parents are divorced?
but i get shocked at what people pay for
but who knows im not the one paying the bills....but it all does surprise me

jordansmomma
05-05-2009, 11:47 PM
So I guess for me, its a want.

Although I feel I NEED to go sometimes...

I just really WANT to go!!

Zoemakes5
05-06-2009, 12:50 AM
There are days when things are overwelming me that the trip to DLR borders pretty closely to a need, but not really. Disneyland is my "happy place". Two days after I lost my job, DS and I went to DLR. It gave me a pick me up that nowhere else does. The words I use is "I need a trip to DL", just like after a bad day someone might say "I need a drink", but not really a NEED, more like I really want it.
I do go on a semi-regular basis, though I typically spend less than $40, including cost of gas, when I go. My annual pass was a combination of gifts from family and friends giving me Disney gift cards. Now ladies trips and mini-meets are obviously more, but I've skipped those when I couldn't swing it. More often, I go with DD and myself and we both eat kids meals and don't get souvies. I don't go to character meals, etc. except on special occasions.
I have seen people on these boards who I seriously question their priorities and see their DL going as bordering on obsessions/addictions.

Grumpy'sWife4Ever
05-06-2009, 02:22 AM
Far be it for me to judge anyone else, I haven't walked in their shoes (or mouse ears as it were) so I can only speak for myself....

Disneyland in itself is not a NEED for me or my family, in the way that food or life sustaining items might be. We do live a pretty simple existence, some of it by choice and some by circumstance, but we have a very specific set of priorities. Where the "need" comes in for me is the need to provide wonderful childhood memories for my children. If Disneyland were not in the cards then it would any other of a myriad of experiences....I would still be plotting and planning to provide them with fun and great memories. I think that in my case it is a little compulsory.... I am sure I am over-compensating for my own not too "fun" childhood. My DH will sometimes help me reign it in a little when I get too obsessive, and I think I am getting better at keeping a rational perspective. We only plan DL trips every three years, and the kids are actively involved in the savings/cashing in cans/budgeting that it takes to do so. They really enjoy knowing that when the are walking down Main Street, they worked to be there.

So to make a long-winded answer even longer, in my instance the desire to be at Disneyland is the desire to become the carefree child I never really was, and to enable my own children to feel that magic as often as is rationally possible....but if it were suddenly not an option we would survive. It would be a BUMMER though! :(

DisneySuiteFreak
05-06-2009, 08:33 AM
It's definitely a want. I think the Disboard does contribute to the addiction part of it though. (No offense, I love the Dis!) It's like being an alcoholic. You can't go into a bar. But here we are, each of us probably addicted in our own way, some more so than others, and we all come here to get our daily Disney fix. Then we see others who get to go often, and I'm sure it's got to have some influence on those who maybe can't afford it, to make them try to find a way to get there.
I don't understand how anyone who is on any kind of public assistance can go to DL often and eat at character meals. I work a full time job, DH and I own a business also (so I guess that's 2 jobs for me!) and we only have 1 child by choice because we felt it would be responsible to wait to have more when we could afford it more. :rolleyes1 Life is all about choices...We don't eat at Characters meals often. We've gone twice in like the last 8 years. We don't even eat 3 meals a day in the park no matter how early we get there or how late we stay. I still share meals in the park with my DS or DH. Sometimes Dh & I will share a Turkey leg for a snack until we can eat out of the park and go somewhere to eat real food. We time it so we eat one or two meals or snacks in the park at the most, and the rest outside the park. It doesn't diminish our enjoyment of the park at all! In fact, I feel better about going because I've done everything possible to save money and be frugal/practical. It's not a necessity or a deal breaker if we can't do a Character meal. We never stay on property; I can't justify the cost. It's not a necessity to go to DL. I can totally understand the desire to go there and the want, but it is something that should be done if one can afford it -- not at the expense of paying for life's basic needs like food, shelter, clothing, gas in the car, electricity, medical insurance, medicine, etc. I would never begrudge someone who needs public assistance the help when they need it. But if they are going to the park and eating at Character meals often, or selling off stuff to get there when they should be worrying about a roof over their heads, then something is wrong with the picture. :confused3

Stacerita
05-06-2009, 09:10 AM
It's definitely a want. I think the Disboard does contribute to the addiction part of it though. (No offense, I love the Dis!) It's like being an alcoholic. You can't go into a bar. But here we are, each of us probably addicted in our own way, some more so than others, and we all come here to get our daily Disney fix. Then we see others who get to go often, and I'm sure it's got to have some influence on those who maybe can't afford it, to make them try to find a way to get there.
I don't understand how anyone who is on any kind of public assistance can go to DL often and eat at character meals. I work a full time job, DH and I own a business also (so I guess that's 2 jobs for me!) and we only have 1 child by choice because we felt it would be responsible to wait to have more when we could afford it more. :rolleyes1 Life is all about choices...We don't eat at Characters meals often. We've gone twice in like the last 8 years. We don't even eat 3 meals a day in the park no matter how early we get there or how late we stay. I still share meals in the park with my DS or DH. Sometimes Dh & I will share a Turkey leg for a snack until we can eat out of the park and go somewhere to eat real food. We time it so we eat one or two meals or snacks in the park at the most, and the rest outside the park. It doesn't diminish our enjoyment of the park at all! In fact, I feel better about going because I've done everything possible to save money and be frugal/practical. It's not a necessity or a deal breaker if we can't do a Character meal. We never stay on property; I can't justify the cost. It's not a necessity to go to DL. I can totally understand the desire to go there and the want, but it is something that should be done if one can afford it -- not at the expense of paying for life's basic needs like food, shelter, clothing, gas in the car, electricity, medical insurance, medicine, etc. I would never begrudge someone who needs public assistance the help when they need it. But if they are going to the park and eating at Character meals often, or selling off stuff to get there when they should be worrying about a roof over their heads, then something is wrong with the picture. :confused3


Exactly. If someone needs public assistance, I am all for helping people get a hand up. But if they turn around and use that money for DL and character meals, and are still in the same boat with their lives, that is just wrong. People need to get their priorities in order before heading to the park. And I don't like excuses of why they "need" to be there. No one needs DL. You will night die if you don't get it. So it is not a need. Anyone who uses the excuse that they need DL is just trying to justify their poor choices and behavior. Get your life in check first, then save up to go. Don't decide if you want to eat at Ariel's or pay your bills.

fairykin
05-06-2009, 10:14 AM
I agree.. as an american taxpayer... i am grateful i am able to contribute to helping people who need help getting food or medicine.
But then to read about those recieptiants posting of going to ANY theme park weekly or monthly while your only income is from the government, is Wrong.

And to see where going out to eat all the time is the norm for these goverment funded people, when i make menus and food budgets makes me want to say, Why not check out the Disboard Budget board. Sign up for some of their meal challenges and money management tip threads.

Try to chose an obsession that will benefit your life. Visit the Disboard Budget board and try to learn skills that will help you. I've learned alot there.

My DH gave me a ticket to the Food and Wine Festival French Dinner this year as i've been talking about wanting to go so badly for months and months. Then i read on the disboards where someone who's only income is goverment funded will be attending 2 of the $150 specialty meals. I was stunned?!! Is this what our hard earned tax dollars are being used for? My close friend could feed her family on that 300 for a month.

I have a friend who is a single parent and works so hard, yet she is right on the threshold of not making it. It is heartbreaking because she barely makes enough to scrape by and she works so hard. Her family has never been to any of the parks. She was even "advised" to quit working and collect benefits. But she has too much honor and doesn't want to abuse what that goverment funding is intended for. But sheesh, what about some help for a hardworking mother like that! $300 for 2 meals would feed her family for a month, i've seen how she budgets.

I was talking to my Father about this topic and He recommended a interesting book called..Nickled and Dimed.. On (Not) Getting By in America By Barbara Ehrenreich, that i am going to read.

prettyprincessbelle
05-06-2009, 11:38 AM
I agree.. as an american taxpayer... i am grateful i am able to contribute to helping people who need help getting food or medicine.
But then to read about those recieptiants posting of going to ANY theme park weekly or monthly while your only income is from the government, is Wrong.

I totally agree. It makes me sad to think that there are people who struggle without government assistance and there are people who get it and take advantage. :sad2:

For us, it's a want. It's fun and it's a nice escape. Are we going broke to go? Nope. We may cut back on my "extras" for a couple weeks before, but we're not cutting back essentials.

toocherie
05-06-2009, 11:51 AM
Ok--so that we don't stray into "political" talk let's talk more about the psychological difference between a "need" and a "want." I think we can all agree that using governmental assistance monies for a luxury like a theme park is wrong.

I was focusing more on the thread on the overriding motivation some people feel to go to the parks.

inluvwithbuzz
05-06-2009, 11:56 AM
Disneyland is a want for me.
Growing up as a kid we did not go on holidays and during the summer we stayed home. My parents could not afford to take us to places like Disneyland.
Now that I am a single mother to a 2 year old boy who's father is not involved. I want to take my son to places that I never got to as a child. I work a day job and just get by. This year I took my son recently to Disneyland for a week. I wanted to do this for him. And it was well worth it. Every year during tax time I get a good refund because I am a single parent. So that is what I use to be able to afford taking my son on holidays. So now we will have to wait until next year, and when its tax time and I get my refund we will be heading back to disneyland again.
I totally do not agree with people who are helped out by the government and abuse it.

fairykin
05-06-2009, 12:54 PM
Well.. my Dh and I have gotten to the point in life when we are not so much into buying "things"..we would rather make memories and give people we love experiences. So that's why Disneyland is among the places we want to go to as well as take our family to.

Need to go? Nope.
Enjoy going, yes.

Need is water, Want is a Strawberry Kiwi SnappLe.:rotfl:

lntsmom
05-06-2009, 01:09 PM
Everything is paid...cash in advance. I would never put any part of a Disney trip on a credit card, nor would I use regular household money to pay for it.

I've managed to swing 4 Disney trips in 10 years. Mind you, it was a matter of opportunity cost. I have plenty of other wants that the money could have gone toward, but, while my children are still young, I have chosen to do Disney.

I only know one person who has a Disney addiction. I have a former coworker who ended up in credit counseling and almost had to file bankruptcy due in large part to having chosen to go to Disney once or twice a year...on credit. This was almost 10 years ago, long before the current economic situation.

So, yes, there are some people who will make inappropriate choices. I would guess that most of the folks who fall into that category are middle classed, where Disney trips are a sign of social status. My wealthier friends take their kids to Europe or South America on vacation. My poorer friends rarely vacation, and when they do, it tends to be day trips. Just my observation....

pixiewings71
05-06-2009, 01:27 PM
DL is a want, a strong want but a want all the same. NEVER would I not feed, clothe or make sure my kids had a roof over their head for the sake of Disney. And I'm sure that Walt would be disappointed in those that do that. My number 1 priority is making sure my girls grow up happy, healthy and well rounded with plenty of good memories. DL is important to those memories but not dependent, we can have fun without DL but while we can afford it we would rather do it with DL. :) Who knows what tomorrow will bring with this economy, what I do know if the memories we have created as a family will stay with us forever. :)

spidey_99
05-06-2009, 01:34 PM
What an interesting and timely thread (for me!) :)

My Disney obsession has been growing in the last month or so. I've been buying the D23 magazine, buying behind the scenes books every time I go (and I go every 6-8 weeks, because I have season passes and live only 45 min away), and these days I post more on DIS and am listening to DISRADIO as I type this :)

So yes, I've been thinking lately: is this actually healthy?!?!

And here is what I've come up with:

#1- I do creative work for a living and being around Disney inspires me. Going to the parks, listening to the music, having cool little statues from the park scattered about...it all motivates me and inspires me to work harder and do a better job for the customers who consume the creative products that we make. And so I think that is a very good thing.

#2- I am a single dad going thru a divorce with 2 small kids. I've always been a very involved dad and I think taking my kids to Disney alot is not only fun for all of us (and we can afford it, so it's not a cash drain), but it's something we can share. There is not much an adult and 2 small kids can have in common but with Disney, I feel we bond a bit over it and I really like that I can share that with my kids (single dad or no).

#3- All of that said, it's very, very easy for me to get sucked into the Disney vortex and forget to do the adult things in life as often as I should: exercise, eat well, read things to broaden my mind, get enough rest, cultivate the all important friends and other relationships (altho I am in the market for an adult Disney buddy to share the parks with). And so it begs the question: does Disney take me away from those things? Because if it DOES then to me, it becomes a negative, unhealthy need versus just a fun WANT.

That is the real question for me: what place does Disney have in an adult's life? I read that Walt Disney never felt he made his park for the young, but for the young at heart. And to me, why is loving things like Disney any less adult or acceptable than loving things like football or scrapbooking? So to me I guess Disney is a strong, strong hobby of mine. It's a bit embarrassing at times, being a straight man in his 30's who still loves this stuff (and I'm sorry to offend anyone, but yes, to me, if you are an adult woman or a gay male who loves Disney then it just seems much more socially acceptable for some reason I can not fathom...and I am not anti-gay, my brother is gay and I form no opinions good or bad about a person simply based on their sexuality ).

Anyway, good thread- gives me something to think about for sure (i.e. am I escaping into Disney in an unhealthy way when the stresses of my life get too much...and if I am, is that any different from escaping into other more socially acceptable hobbies?...and is it actually ok - at times- to escape into something when life is too much)?

Ok heavy stuff- too much for one day! :)

Spidey

grizbuzz
05-06-2009, 01:42 PM
I have thought that it would be fascinating to do a psychological study of those of us who are drawn to Disney, the DIS, Disneyland, etc. Any psych students looking for a good thesis?? I'm sure there must be some patterns that you would find across the hard core DIS population. Are they all unhealthy? I hope not.

I would doubt that this falls into the realm of addiction for most of us. A good definition of addiction that I found on the web:


One simple model for understanding addiction is to apply the three Cs:

1) Behavior that is motivated by emotions ranging along the Craving to Compulsion spectrum

2) Continued use in spite of adverse consequences and

3) Loss of Control.


My guess is that many of us would qualify for the first 'C' and fall somewhere on the "Disney spectrum." However, we probably stay away from 2 and 3. Unlike drinking or drugs, you don't usually leave Disney feeling worse about yourself (oh why oh why did I take that last photo with Mickey?). Adverse consequences usually are tied to spending too much money or misdirecting time/energy that should be spent to other things (eg, work). I don't know anyone who has lost control of their lives due to an addiction to the mouse.

Hopefully most of our lives have been enhanced by Disney and the community we have found in Disney afficionados. But perhaps many of us do need to watch ourselves to make sure we stay to the "craving" side of the spectrum and don't get "compulsive" about our love for the mouse.

Interesting topic. As long as we can stay away from politics and can refrain from judging others too harshly, I think this can be a very interesting conversation. :surfweb:

JadeDarkstar
05-06-2009, 01:56 PM
what a fun post. I will say if it wasnt for my dads death benifets I would so not be going.
it is a want a strong want but not a need. an even if we could go more often we wouldn't go like every month by sacrificing stuff.(number one is to make sure my son can eat, is healthy an has clothing)
Thats why we only go once a year we save the money that dads place gave me an we split it taking half to have a good time with my son 1 time a year.

we dont do other things or go other places, we don't eat out any more. we cant afford that. so we cut way back on that an if we do we do dollar menu.

the other half is used for Christmas bdays paying back bills an buying my son's clothing.

I say who ever can get to go have fun, an if you have to live tight the rest of the year. well I do it It works. I dont have the money month to month but once a year I do so I put it away for the trip. no problem with it

Also i blame Dis Boards too

JadeDarkstar
05-06-2009, 01:57 PM
ps did you all know that Disney stock has been up yet this whole year Disney's park attendance has been down to 50% just something i was gona say

DisneySuiteFreak
05-06-2009, 02:04 PM
Well.. my Dh and I have gotten to the point in life when we are not so much into buying "things"..we would rather make memories and give people we love experiences. So that's why Disneyland is among the places we want to go to as well as take our family to.
Need to go? Nope.
Enjoy going, yes.
Need is water, Want is a Strawberry Kiwi SnappLe.:rotfl:

See now that is exactly like DH and I. We haven't given each other gifts or 'things' for occasions in years. Our gift to each other is the gift of travel. We love to travel and take vacations, and since I am so low maintenance I don't expect gifts on Mother's day, birthdays, xmas, etc. ;) He's low maintenance too, btw. :thumbsup2 We save the money we would waste on 'occasion' type things and frivolity (I don't need anymore jewelry, purses, clothes, flowers, etc. to know that he loves me and he doesn't either:laughing:) and we put all of what we would've spent on that stuff towards family vacation time. You can't put a price on time with loved ones and making memories. However, with that said, we sacrifice stuff so that we can have the time with our family. And when we work, we are practically workaholic.
I think going to Disney for some can be an addiction like anything else if you don't keep it under control.

toocherie
05-06-2009, 02:08 PM
What an interesting and timely thread (for me!) :)

My Disney obsession has been growing in the last month or so. I've been buying the D23 magazine, buying behind the scenes books every time I go (and I go every 6-8 weeks, because I have season passes and live only 45 min away), and these days I post more on DIS and am listening to DISRADIO as I type this :)

So yes, I've been thinking lately: is this actually healthy?!?!

And here is what I've come up with:

#1- I do creative work for a living and being around Disney inspires me. Going to the parks, listening to the music, having cool little statues from the park scattered about...it all motivates me and inspires me to work harder and do a better job for the customers who consume the creative products that we make. And so I think that is a very good thing.

#2- I am a single dad going thru a divorce with 2 small kids. I've always been a very involved dad and I think taking my kids to Disney alot is not only fun for all of us (and we can afford it, so it's not a cash drain), but it's something we can share. There is not much an adult and 2 small kids can have in common but with Disney, I feel we bond a bit over it and I really like that I can share that with my kids (single dad or no).

#3- All of that said, it's very, very easy for me to get sucked into the Disney vortex and forget to do the adult things in life as often as I should: exercise, eat well, read things to broaden my mind, get enough rest, cultivate the all important friends and other relationships (altho I am in the market for an adult Disney buddy to share the parks with). And so it begs the question: does Disney take me away from those things? Because if it DOES then to me, it becomes a negative, unhealthy need versus just a fun WANT.

That is the real question for me: what place does Disney have in an adult's life? I read that Walt Disney never felt he made his park for the young, but for the young at heart. And to me, why is loving things like Disney any less adult or acceptable than loving things like football or scrapbooking? So to me I guess Disney is a strong, strong hobby of mine. It's a bit embarrassing at times, being a straight man in his 30's who still loves this stuff (and I'm sorry to offend anyone, but yes, to me, if you are an adult woman or a gay male who loves Disney then it just seems much more socially acceptable for some reason I can not fathom...and I am not anti-gay, my brother is gay and I form no opinions good or bad about a person simply based on their sexuality ).

Anyway, good thread- gives me something to think about for sure (i.e. am I escaping into Disney in an unhealthy way when the stresses of my life get too much...and if I am, is that any different from escaping into other more socially acceptable hobbies?...and is it actually ok - at times- to escape into something when life is too much)?

Ok heavy stuff- too much for one day! :)

Spidey

See, I've been having those same thoughts. Am I getting into this Disney thing just a little too much? On the other hand, I've made some fabulouso girlfriends on this Board and on many Disney trips--women that I think will be in my life even if our respective Disney obsessions wane. I tend to get in a rut and so Disney gets me out doing things and seeing people I wouldn't otherwise see. Plus, its just fun--and its fresh (well, relatively fresh!) air and sunshine. I live really close to Disneyland so part-day trips are an easy "do" for me--not a lot of cash required--but I also like staying in close-by hotels to have the full experience. (And Spidey--if you and the kids ever want the company of a 50-ish lady Disney aficianado let me know!)

I have thought that it would be fascinating to do a psychological study of those of us who are drawn to Disney, the DIS, Disneyland, etc. Any psych students looking for a good thesis?? I'm sure there must be some patterns that you would find across the hard core DIS population. Are they all unhealthy? I hope not.

I would doubt that this falls into the realm of addiction for most of us. A good definition of addiction that I found on the web:


One simple model for understanding addiction is to apply the three Cs:

1) Behavior that is motivated by emotions ranging along the Craving to Compulsion spectrum

2) Continued use in spite of adverse consequences and

3) Loss of Control.


My guess is that many of us would qualify for the first 'C' and fall somewhere on the "Disney spectrum." However, we probably stay away from 2 and 3. Unlike drinking or drugs, you don't usually leave Disney feeling worse about yourself (oh why oh why did I take that last photo with Mickey?). Adverse consequences usually are tied to spending too much money or misdirecting time/energy that should be spent to other things (eg, work). I don't know anyone who has lost control of their lives due to an addiction to the mouse.

Hopefully most of our lives have been enhanced by Disney and the community we have found in Disney afficionados. But perhaps many of us do need to watch ourselves to make sure we stay to the "craving" side of the spectrum and don't get "compulsive" about our love for the mouse.

Interesting topic. As long as we can stay away from politics and can refrain from judging others too harshly, I think this can be a very interesting conversation. :surfweb:

Yep--this was the conversation I was hoping to have. Just what impact does the "Disney life" have on us--both short and long-term? It would make a really good study--and frankly, as far as obsessions/compulsions/addictions go--I could think of worse things.

toocherie
05-06-2009, 02:11 PM
Also i blame Dis Boards too

LOL--ditto, Jade, ditto!!!!!

DisneySuiteFreak
05-06-2009, 02:21 PM
Also i blame Dis Boards too

LOL--ditto, Jade, ditto!!!!!

Me too! I blame the Disboards for stirring up all this attraction and desire to be at the Happiest place on earth! My DH and DS tell me I spend way too much time on the Disboards! :lmao:And they are right! But no one else where I work or in my extended family understands the Disney addiction/attraction. They all think I'm a freak! Hello, my name is DisneySuiteFreak and I am a Disneyholic, I'm also a Disboardaholic too! Nice to meet all the rest of you Disney freaks!:goodvibes:laughing:

JadeDarkstar
05-06-2009, 05:25 PM
see we had decied to not go this year (so not the case any more) an as soon as i brought up well we might be able to swing a 4day trip not a 7 or anything long
DH looked at me an said "Im not getting my new computer am I?"

lol

so now his dad who works on computers looked at both ours. sure we could use extra space but its cheaper to buy a few pieces an let him put it in for free.

So yes now DH isnt getting his computer an yes we are putting that towards Disney. Its also because my bday card will more likely go towards gifts for Christmas.

But next year dh says we aren't going he says next time we go is for his bday in feb (idk who he thinks hes talking to but the man can dream)

disfan07
05-06-2009, 09:29 PM
Its definiltey a want not a need.
We went to WDW at least once a yr from 2003-2007 and 6 times before that btw 1991 and 2001. For us, it was adn still is high priority on our list...probably one of the top things on our want list
But we do it cheap....when we went in 2007 for christmas we went for 6 nights/7 days for less than $2500 total for 3 adults (airfare, food, hotel, tickets and souvineirs)
We had rules when going on these trips
1)we never planned more than 3 or 4 months ahead....we had a better grip on our finances and there was less chance we had to cancel
2)we only ever went if we could get a AAA rate at a value or mod (depending on the budget) (except for our one splurge at Wilderness Lodge)
3)we only went if we could get RT airfare for less than $150/person (we got as low as $100 RT in 2007
4)2 or 3 sit down meals no matter how long we were going for

We also make choices....
We dont eat out very often at all....once a week at the most MAYBE adn that is usually on days that i have drs appointments more than an hour away
We dont buy a lot of clothes...we dont need new clothes for each season
We dont have big screen TVs
We dont have expensive cell phones
We dont have expensive cars (we have 2 toyota camrys adn a toyota prius)
we have 2 computers (mine for school adn my parents share one adn my dad ocassionaly has one from work)


But we were also lucky with my parents jobs for a while....My dads job paid for everything we needed adn my mom had a PT job which brought in the "fun" money

My parents skipped a WDW trip in 2008 ( i went with a friend and paid for myself) becasue my dad got a new job in california (we lived in virginia) and that is why we are skipping 2009 as well. We bought a forclosure that needed a lot of work adn just th emove itself was expensive.
But....we are going back in 2010
We have had plans for years to go to WDW for my moms 50th (whihc is this yr), my dads 60th adn my 21st (both of which are june next yr)...so we've been saving for a while but everytime we talk about going out to eat or buying something we always think of whether we need it or if we would rather save for DIsney adn we will keep doing this until we have the $4500 that we want for the trip....after we have thta, we can go back ot being a LITTLE more lose wiht the eatin gout and stuff but for now disney is our first want

prettyprincessbelle
05-07-2009, 12:48 AM
My number 1 priority is making sure my girls grow up happy, healthy and well rounded with plenty of good memories. DL is important to those memories but not dependent

Ohh, wonderful, so true!

Also i blame Dis Boards too

Seriously. The Dis Board is such an enabler. Geesh.

What an interesting and timely thread (for me!) :)

My Disney obsession has been growing in the last month or so. I've been buying the D23 magazine, buying behind the scenes books every time I go (and I go every 6-8 weeks, because I have season passes and live only 45 min away), and these days I post more on DIS and am listening to DISRADIO as I type this :)

So yes, I've been thinking lately: is this actually healthy?!?!

And here is what I've come up with:

#1- I do creative work for a living and being around Disney inspires me. Going to the parks, listening to the music, having cool little statues from the park scattered about...it all motivates me and inspires me to work harder and do a better job for the customers who consume the creative products that we make. And so I think that is a very good thing.

#2- I am a single dad going thru a divorce with 2 small kids. I've always been a very involved dad and I think taking my kids to Disney alot is not only fun for all of us (and we can afford it, so it's not a cash drain), but it's something we can share. There is not much an adult and 2 small kids can have in common but with Disney, I feel we bond a bit over it and I really like that I can share that with my kids (single dad or no).

#3- All of that said, it's very, very easy for me to get sucked into the Disney vortex and forget to do the adult things in life as often as I should: exercise, eat well, read things to broaden my mind, get enough rest, cultivate the all important friends and other relationships (altho I am in the market for an adult Disney buddy to share the parks with). And so it begs the question: does Disney take me away from those things? Because if it DOES then to me, it becomes a negative, unhealthy need versus just a fun WANT.

That is the real question for me: what place does Disney have in an adult's life? I read that Walt Disney never felt he made his park for the young, but for the young at heart. And to me, why is loving things like Disney any less adult or acceptable than loving things like football or scrapbooking? So to me I guess Disney is a strong, strong hobby of mine. It's a bit embarrassing at times, being a straight man in his 30's who still loves this stuff (and I'm sorry to offend anyone, but yes, to me, if you are an adult woman or a gay male who loves Disney then it just seems much more socially acceptable for some reason I can not fathom...and I am not anti-gay, my brother is gay and I form no opinions good or bad about a person simply based on their sexuality ).

Anyway, good thread- gives me something to think about for sure (i.e. am I escaping into Disney in an unhealthy way when the stresses of my life get too much...and if I am, is that any different from escaping into other more socially acceptable hobbies?...and is it actually ok - at times- to escape into something when life is too much)?

Ok heavy stuff- too much for one day! :)

Spidey

Very good points. :)

Sleepless Knight
05-07-2009, 01:47 PM
For me, Disneyland is a place where I recharge my batteries and either blow off steam from work related stress or gear up before plunging myself back into the heart of work related stress. While we all certainly need relief and respite from our stresses, we must also find that relief in wisdom and in order. While they may not be as fun as a day in Disneyland, there are a lot of other ways that we can cope with and deal with the stress that comes in day to day life.

3Minnies1Mickey
05-07-2009, 01:57 PM
Once DH gave the okay for a trip this year it went from "I want to go" to "I NEED to go now!!" LOL :yay:

3Minnies1Mickey
05-07-2009, 02:14 PM
Well.. my Dh and I have gotten to the point in life when we are not so much into buying "things"..we would rather make memories and give people we love experiences. So that's why Disneyland is among the places we want to go to as well as take our family to.

We are the same way. The kids have clothes, toys, books, games..... I would rather spend the $$ on less "stuff" and more "memories". We would rather go on a fun trip than spend the $$ on "disposable" toys (which is pretty much ALL toys with 4 kids, and 2 more I babysit ;) ).

JadeDarkstar
05-10-2009, 12:08 PM
well my dh has been pushing. lol
an this post made me think alot
an there is a possibility we will just wait an go next year see the new stuff an spend the money this year on other things.

this post+dh+just nothing going right It may just be the best choice. to wait.

Its not like fantasmic or the Christmas tour wont be there next year.

toocherie
05-10-2009, 07:34 PM
Jade: it's hard to be an adult sometimes, isn't it? I'm sure you will make the right decision for your family.

SeansMom
05-10-2009, 08:03 PM
What an interesting and timely thread (for me!) :)

My Disney obsession has been growing in the last month or so. I've been buying the D23 magazine, buying behind the scenes books every time I go (and I go every 6-8 weeks, because I have season passes and live only 45 min away), and these days I post more on DIS and am listening to DISRADIO as I type this :)

So yes, I've been thinking lately: is this actually healthy?!?!

And here is what I've come up with:

#1- I do creative work for a living and being around Disney inspires me. Going to the parks, listening to the music, having cool little statues from the park scattered about...it all motivates me and inspires me to work harder and do a better job for the customers who consume the creative products that we make. And so I think that is a very good thing.

#2- I am a single dad going thru a divorce with 2 small kids. I've always been a very involved dad and I think taking my kids to Disney alot is not only fun for all of us (and we can afford it, so it's not a cash drain), but it's something we can share. There is not much an adult and 2 small kids can have in common but with Disney, I feel we bond a bit over it and I really like that I can share that with my kids (single dad or no).

#3- All of that said, it's very, very easy for me to get sucked into the Disney vortex and forget to do the adult things in life as often as I should: exercise, eat well, read things to broaden my mind, get enough rest, cultivate the all important friends and other relationships (altho I am in the market for an adult Disney buddy to share the parks with). And so it begs the question: does Disney take me away from those things? Because if it DOES then to me, it becomes a negative, unhealthy need versus just a fun WANT.

That is the real question for me: what place does Disney have in an adult's life? I read that Walt Disney never felt he made his park for the young, but for the young at heart. And to me, why is loving things like Disney any less adult or acceptable than loving things like football or scrapbooking? So to me I guess Disney is a strong, strong hobby of mine. It's a bit embarrassing at times, being a straight man in his 30's who still loves this stuff (and I'm sorry to offend anyone, but yes, to me, if you are an adult woman or a gay male who loves Disney then it just seems much more socially acceptable for some reason I can not fathom...and I am not anti-gay, my brother is gay and I form no opinions good or bad about a person simply based on their sexuality ).

Anyway, good thread- gives me something to think about for sure (i.e. am I escaping into Disney in an unhealthy way when the stresses of my life get too much...and if I am, is that any different from escaping into other more socially acceptable hobbies?...and is it actually ok - at times- to escape into something when life is too much)?

Ok heavy stuff- too much for one day! :)

Spidey

Good for you for maintaining a bond with your kiddos through Disney. The world needs more really great fathers :goodvibes.

I think about the exercise/food/sleep thing too, but then I'm not sure if it's Disney or more relative things affecting this. Disney is one slice of a very big pie called "life", at least for me.

I think there are far more men that are Disney fans than these boards reflect. I know of four straight ment that love Disney but don't frequent these boards. So you are not alone!

Oh, and as for the OP's question, it's a want, not a need, but it's a want I really need :laughing:!

LuLusApple
05-10-2009, 08:54 PM
For sure a want. My kids and myself have been thru some tough years. Their Dad died last year at 39 from cancer really unexpected. I myself am a 12 year cancer survivor. Kids Dad was a huge Disney fan, we have many many wonderful memories.
In wanting to keep making wonderful memories we put DL in front of other "things".....things are just things and lose their sparkle but memories last a lifetime :)

toocherie
05-10-2009, 10:40 PM
Oh, and as for the OP's question, it's a want, not a need, but it's a want I really need :laughing:!

:rotfl:

For sure a want. My kids and myself have been thru some tough years. Their Dad died last year at 39 from cancer really unexpected. I myself am a 12 year cancer survivor. Kids Dad was a huge Disney fan, we have many many wonderful memories.
In wanting to keep making wonderful memories we put DL in front of other "things".....things are just things and lose their sparkle but memories last a lifetime :)

I am so sorry for your family's loss. Sounds like you and your kids have good priorities--and you're right --memories are forever.

nunzia
05-11-2009, 08:12 AM
Far be it for me to judge anyone else, I haven't walked in their shoes (or mouse ears as it were) so I can only speak for myself....

Disneyland in itself is not a NEED for me or my family, in the way that food or life sustaining items might be. We do live a pretty simple existence, some of it by choice and some by circumstance, but we have a very specific set of priorities. Where the "need" comes in for me is the need to provide wonderful childhood memories for my children. If Disneyland were not in the cards then it would any other of a myriad of experiences....I would still be plotting and planning to provide them with fun and great memories. I think that in my case it is a little compulsory.... I am sure I am over-compensating for my own not too "fun" childhood. My DH will sometimes help me reign it in a little when I get too obsessive, and I think I am getting better at keeping a rational perspective. We only plan DL trips every three years, and the kids are actively involved in the savings/cashing in cans/budgeting that it takes to do so. They really enjoy knowing that when the are walking down Main Street, they worked to be there.

So to make a long-winded answer even longer, in my instance the desire to be at Disneyland is the desire to become the carefree child I never really was, and to enable my own children to feel that magic as often as is rationally possible....but if it were suddenly not an option we would survive. It would be a BUMMER though! :(

I'm in this camp. I don't see Disney as a NEED but when my kids were little we saw having good memory making experiences for them as one. Sometimes (more often than not) this meant a Disney trip. It also meant zoos, Sea World, family visits, beach visits, what have you. And sometimes we really couldn't afford them and there was question if the old station wagon would make it. But..we did them and had such fun and greater memories than the kids would have had having the nicest clothes or fanciest shoes. No regrets at all..and on some of these trips the cash was even subsidized by a credit card :scared1:
Now we take some of the vacations with the grandkids in mind so we can give them those same memories their parents have. We like to live small to vacation large.
As to if vacationing is a want or a need..my degree is in tourism and in Hospitality 101 you learn that recreate (recreation) means re-create. You need down time and away time to refresh and renew. As always things can be taken too far but people do need to give themselves a break once in awhile.

nunzia
05-11-2009, 08:17 AM
I agree.. as an american taxpayer... i am grateful i am able to contribute to helping people who need help getting food or medicine.
But then to read about those recieptiants posting of going to ANY theme park weekly or monthly while your only income is from the government, is Wrong.

And to see where going out to eat all the time is the norm for these goverment funded people, when i make menus and food budgets makes me want to say, Why not check out the Disboard Budget board. Sign up for some of their meal challenges and money management tip threads.

Try to chose an obsession that will benefit your life. Visit the Disboard Budget board and try to learn skills that will help you. I've learned alot there.

My DH gave me a ticket to the Food and Wine Festival French Dinner this year as i've been talking about wanting to go so badly for months and months. Then i read on the disboards where someone who's only income is goverment funded will be attending 2 of the $150 specialty meals. I was stunned?!! Is this what our hard earned tax dollars are being used for? My close friend could feed her family on that 300 for a month.

I have a friend who is a single parent and works so hard, yet she is right on the threshold of not making it. It is heartbreaking because she barely makes enough to scrape by and she works so hard. Her family has never been to any of the parks. She was even "advised" to quit working and collect benefits. But she has too much honor and doesn't want to abuse what that goverment funding is intended for. But sheesh, what about some help for a hardworking mother like that! $300 for 2 meals would feed her family for a month, i've seen how she budgets.

I was talking to my Father about this topic and He recommended a interesting book called..Nickled and Dimed.. On (Not) Getting By in America By Barbara Ehrenreich, that i am going to read.

OT..but if you read Nickel and Dimed (and I have) PLEASE also read Scratch Beginnings..This is a rebuttal of sorts to Nickel and Dimed about a college graduate who had to read that book in a class and then went out to show what can be done with a postitive attitude, budgeting and planning. Very good! They should be read as a pair.
now back to your regular topic :)

DisneySuiteFreak
05-11-2009, 09:31 AM
well my dh has been pushing. lol
an this post made me think alot
an there is a possibility we will just wait an go next year see the new stuff an spend the money this year on other things.

this post+dh+just nothing going right It may just be the best choice. to wait.

Its not like fantasmic or the Christmas tour wont be there next year.

:hug::hug::hug:I know that is a tough decision to make. I'm sure you will do what's best for you and your family. And DL and DCA will be all fresh and new next year just waiting for you.:goodvibes

AmericanItGirl
05-11-2009, 03:45 PM
Boy, do I have a lesson learned to post here.

The one time I went borderline addiction Disney was my one and only time at MK. It started pouring down in the afternoon on the day that I was there, so I ducked into a store in Liberty Square. Mind you, I was a bit on Disney overload after having been depraved of it for 8 or so years. Well, I saw all of the charming Cinderella merch and went on a shopping spree, thinking that I needed this, that, and the other. Spent $100 that day on souvies (which are still lovingly displayed in my bedroom). Flashforward a few months and I'm in college for my first semester. It's late at night and I'm at a gas station in the middle of nowhere with some friends wanting to get money from the ATM so I can pay for my part of the gas. Machine says there's no money in my account and spits my card out. At first, I just stared at the machine in disbelief, because I knew that I saved a chunk of change while I was in high school. Then I remembered going a little crazy at MK and realized where a good portion of that hard-earned money had gone to.

From that day forward, when I go to DL, I handle everything with cash. I take out a predetermined amount of cash and refuse to go near an ATM until I leave. That incident also made me realize how well Disney fits into the "want" category and how I really should only go when there is money in my account that is serving no other purpose in the forseeable future.

I have to admit though, that it is a top want. In the fall, I will be going to law school, which is incredibly expensive and will entail me taking out a loan for the first time (I'm hoping in between scholarship $ and what I already have that I will be able to take out only Stafford Loans that have a fixed interest rate, but I digress). Ergo, I will probably not be going to any Disney park until all of my law school debts are paid off (unless I can go with my brother [he's in USMC] and swing a sweet military deal that way...Disney's got some great deals for military). However, I am earmarking $100 or so of the money that I currently have in the bank to pay my way for when my extended family goes to Disneyland for the day in June. I'd much rather spend that $100 on bonding at my favorite place in the world with my little cousins than to use that $100 making sure that I can eat something else other than ramen for weeks on end (I actually like ramen so it wouldn't be the end of the world).

Judy from Boise
05-11-2009, 06:49 PM
I will admit that there was a time we went into debt to finance multiple Disney trips. My DD is austic, and starting around the age of 4 it was very obvious that Disney trips (the planning the trip, and the reminiscing) was very helfull to her development. Couple this with the fact that she was in a great but expensive private school. We also had just built a house.
We eventually paid off every penny, and have never gone back into debt. I do not regret it at all. It is what our child truely "needed" at the time, and paying it off on credit was just a necessary evil.

toocherie
05-11-2009, 07:33 PM
I'm in this camp. I don't see Disney as a NEED but when my kids were little we saw having good memory making experiences for them as one. Sometimes (more often than not) this meant a Disney trip. It also meant zoos, Sea World, family visits, beach visits, what have you. And sometimes we really couldn't afford them and there was question if the old station wagon would make it. But..we did them and had such fun and greater memories than the kids would have had having the nicest clothes or fanciest shoes. No regrets at all..and on some of these trips the cash was even subsidized by a credit card :scared1:

don't let the people from the budget board read this!!!! :scared1::laughing:
Boy, do I have a lesson learned to post here.

The one time I went borderline addiction Disney was my one and only time at MK. It started pouring down in the afternoon on the day that I was there, so I ducked into a store in Liberty Square. Mind you, I was a bit on Disney overload after having been depraved of it for 8 or so years. Well, I saw all of the charming Cinderella merch and went on a shopping spree, thinking that I needed this, that, and the other. Spent $100 that day on souvies (which are still lovingly displayed in my bedroom). Flashforward a few months and I'm in college for my first semester. It's late at night and I'm at a gas station in the middle of nowhere with some friends wanting to get money from the ATM so I can pay for my part of the gas. Machine says there's no money in my account and spits my card out. At first, I just stared at the machine in disbelief, because I knew that I saved a chunk of change while I was in high school. Then I remembered going a little crazy at MK and realized where a good portion of that hard-earned money had gone to.

From that day forward, when I go to DL, I handle everything with cash. I take out a predetermined amount of cash and refuse to go near an ATM until I leave. That incident also made me realize how well Disney fits into the "want" category and how I really should only go when there is money in my account that is serving no other purpose in the forseeable future.

I have to admit though, that it is a top want. In the fall, I will be going to law school, which is incredibly expensive and will entail me taking out a loan for the first time (I'm hoping in between scholarship $ and what I already have that I will be able to take out only Stafford Loans that have a fixed interest rate, but I digress). Ergo, I will probably not be going to any Disney park until all of my law school debts are paid off (unless I can go with my brother [he's in USMC] and swing a sweet military deal that way...Disney's got some great deals for military). However, I am earmarking $100 or so of the money that I currently have in the bank to pay my way for when my extended family goes to Disneyland for the day in June. I'd much rather spend that $100 on bonding at my favorite place in the world with my little cousins than to use that $100 making sure that I can eat something else other than ramen for weeks on end (I actually like ramen so it wouldn't be the end of the world).

Good for you--I will say, however, that Law School is very intense and you will need some breaks. Are you going to law school in SoCal? If so--where? I went to Loyola lo so many years ago. Our break at that time was Las Vegas trips (don't ask me why) and movies. But we got through it and so will you! Best wishes to you.

I will admit that there was a time we went into debt to finance multiple Disney trips. My DD is austic, and starting around the age of 4 it was very obvious that Disney trips (the planning the trip, and the reminiscing) was very helfull to her development. Couple this with the fact that she was in a great but expensive private school. We also had just built a house.
We eventually paid off every penny, and have never gone back into debt. I do not regret it at all. It is what our child truely "needed" at the time, and paying it off on credit was just a necessary evil.

See--personally I don't think there is anything wrong with incurring debt that you are able to pay off. Even for "luxuries" such as Disney. We all make our choices.

AmericanItGirl
05-11-2009, 10:39 PM
Good for you--I will say, however, that Law School is very intense and you will need some breaks. Are you going to law school in SoCal? If so--where? I went to Loyola lo so many years ago. Our break at that time was Las Vegas trips (don't ask me why) and movies. But we got through it and so will you! Best wishes to you.

Thanks. Unfortunately, I didn't get into my dream school (which was UCI...only 15 mins from DL and it's where I grew up), but right now, I'm deciding between Regent University in Virginia Beach and Michigan State University in East Lansing (depends on if/how much scholarship money MSU will give me). If I end up going to the one in Virginia Beach, since my brother will still be at Quantico, VA for a while to go through his MOS training and since he has a car (pick-up truck...so cliche), I will probably be harassing/persuading him to come with me to WDW at least once (I can't be that close and not feel the pull, lol). I know that law school is crazy intense, but I'm not too worried, since I like crazy intense learning (then again I also like old-school psychiatry and psychotherapy, so it's pretty obvious I'm weird). Also, it helps that so many tv shows are posted online now as well (how I got through taking the two hardest courses required for my major during the same semester, nothing quite like watching the entire first season of a new series while writing/editing a 10 page research paper). The trick will be finding a job near WDW or DL once I graduate (or working for the Mouse, since I might get my degree in entertainment law).:cool2:

kc10family
05-11-2009, 11:05 PM
I agree with a lot of you and I don't agree as well. (maybe today I am bipolar :lmao:)

I know I remember our family trips as a child and I remember the joy we all had. Even when my parents split my mom charged up those credit cards and took us places. (not all the time)
So I agree that for the sake of memories sometimes it is a need.

Now on the other bipolar hand.... I also understand the stress and pain of lack of money. This is when you need to budget trips out hard. You plan for a long time, save, take on extra jobs or something, have yard sales, not eat out for a few months, etc.
I know if a trip is planned far enough out, money can be stashed away and a nice trip can come.

I recycled everything I could get paid for for an entire year when I was in need of extra money. I would ask friends for the plastics and cans as well ask old ink cartridges.
I explained it this way... if you plan to give tha to the city to recycle do you mind if I take it off your hands first. I never had anyone say no.

toocherie
05-11-2009, 11:05 PM
Thanks. Unfortunately, I didn't get into my dream school (which was UCI...only 15 mins from DL and it's where I grew up), but right now, I'm deciding between Regent University in Virginia Beach and Michigan State University in East Lansing (depends on if/how much scholarship money MSU will give me). If I end up going to the one in Virginia Beach, since my brother will still be at Quantico, VA for a while to go through his MOS training and since he has a car (pick-up truck...so cliche), I will probably be harassing/persuading him to come with me to WDW at least once (I can't be that close and not feel the pull, lol). I know that law school is crazy intense, but I'm not too worried, since I like crazy intense learning (then again I also like old-school psychiatry and psychotherapy, so it's pretty obvious I'm weird). Also, it helps that so many tv shows are posted online now as well (how I got through taking the two hardest courses required for my major during the same semester, nothing quite like watching the entire first season of a new series while writing/editing a 10 page research paper). The trick will be finding a job near WDW or DL once I graduate (or working for the Mouse, since I might get my degree in entertainment law).:cool2:

Well, most of the Mouse lawyers I know had nothing to do with "entertainment law." Just straight ol' corporate or real estate contracts. So, keep that in mind.

Sherwin
05-12-2009, 01:22 AM
A need in spirit, but a want in flesh. :lmao:

Really, though, money was never a terrible issue for us, so we never had to categorize it like that. But smart budgeting can satisfy both needs and wants!

spidey_99
05-12-2009, 10:03 AM
Thanks. Unfortunately, I didn't get into my dream school (which was UCI...only 15 mins from DL and it's where I grew up), but right now, I'm deciding between Regent University in Virginia Beach and Michigan State University in East Lansing (depends on if/how much scholarship money MSU will give me). If I end up going to the one in Virginia Beach, since my brother will still be at Quantico, VA for a while to go through his MOS training and since he has a car (pick-up truck...so cliche), I will probably be harassing/persuading him to come with me to WDW at least once (I can't be that close and not feel the pull, lol). I know that law school is crazy intense, but I'm not too worried, since I like crazy intense learning (then again I also like old-school psychiatry and psychotherapy, so it's pretty obvious I'm weird). Also, it helps that so many tv shows are posted online now as well (how I got through taking the two hardest courses required for my major during the same semester, nothing quite like watching the entire first season of a new series while writing/editing a 10 page research paper). The trick will be finding a job near WDW or DL once I graduate (or working for the Mouse, since I might get my degree in entertainment law).:cool2:


If you can, yes, get a law job by DL or WDW AND work for them as well (I think you can work for Disney in other places other than near the parks).

I got a buddy who is a lawyer for Disney and she lives in So Cal which means she gets all the perks that come with working for the mouse while being close enough in distance to the parks to actually enjoy those perks: free park admission, big in park discounts, and I think I recall her saying they do certain employee only nights (like the yearly Xmas party) where they close the park to all but Disney workers,etc)...What fun!

PHXscuba
05-12-2009, 12:07 PM
ITA with someone several posts back who said "it's hard to be an adult sometimes!"

Our family's fall DLR trip is paid for (money in separate savings account), thank heavens. I wanted to take also DH on a special big 40th birthday trip as well this year, but he is getting very nervous about the economy and all that, so it's on hold and probably will get canceled, postponed til next year, or severely scaled back.

I have been very Grumpy lately about this because I had the birthday trip all planned out (my usual OCD) and all but booked. The childish side of me is saying "we have enough in savings to pay for this too, why can't we just go?!" but the responsible adult in me is saying that we need to keep a bigger cushion in the bank and respect DH's skittishness.

So thanks for reminding me that while trips are important for memory-making, sometimes we have to be adults and make the hard choices!

PHXscuba

P.S. I have read some doozies of stories on the WDW and Budget forums of the boards about people who are losing their jobs, asking family for money, and still planning WDW trips to "comfort" themselves.:eek:

toocherie
05-12-2009, 01:24 PM
If you can, yes, get a law job by DL or WDW AND work for them as well (I think you can work for Disney in other places other than near the parks).

I got a buddy who is a lawyer for Disney and she lives in So Cal which means she gets all the perks that come with working for the mouse while being close enough in distance to the parks to actually enjoy those perks: free park admission, big in park discounts, and I think I recall her saying they do certain employee only nights (like the yearly Xmas party) where they close the park to all but Disney workers,etc)...What fun!

My friend who was a Disney lawyer also got to be "Tigger" one day in the parks .. . . . .

ITA with someone several posts back who said "it's hard to be an adult sometimes!"


P.S. I have read some doozies of stories on the WDW and Budget forums of the boards about people who are losing their jobs, asking family for money, and still planning WDW trips to "comfort" themselves.:eek:

that was me who said "it's hard to be an adult"--sigh. so true.

and I've read some of those posts on WDW and the budget board too--:scared1: what are people thinking?????

ElloPoppet
05-12-2009, 01:51 PM
i consider it a need. sometimes when my life is so low in the gutter with my mom's nasty divorce and college being so tough, the only thing i have to look forward to is my boyfriend holding my hand while we ride space mountain. :lovestruc

Stacerita
05-12-2009, 02:09 PM
No matter which way you slice it, or how much of an arguement you make for it, it is a "want", not a "need". You will not die from not doing to Disney. You might die without the basic "needs" in life. Disney does not fall into that. I do understand people's needs to get away from it all, de-stress and the need for fun. Disney just isn't a need though. If someone needs to get away from it all and have fun, they can do that anywhere. But they "want" to do it at Disney. See, want, not need. My DD came home to a single parent household, and its always been a single parent household, and Ive been going to school full time and working full time that some days I can't see straight. And Disney does help me relax and refresh myself. But if I couldn't afford it, I would just find an alternative. Its not a need, just a want. Lucky for me, its a want that is in my budget.

Sleepless Knight
05-13-2009, 05:46 PM
And Disney does help me relax and refresh myself. But if I couldn't afford it, I would just find an alternative. Its not a need, just a want. Lucky for me, its a want that is in my budget.And that's the key to everything. When necessary, an alternative stress reliever/escape can be found. It's just not that easy when Disney becomes an addiction. And for some of us, it is.

Sherry E
05-16-2009, 05:27 PM
It took me a while to get around to posting on this thread. As much as I would like to present an iron-clad reason for why Disneyland is a definite 'need,' I have to agree that it is not. BUT, that said, even though DLR trips are not on par with those little things we need to survive such as oxygen, food & water, etc., I can definitely attest to the immense emotional benefits of a DLR trip - just when I 'need' it! So while it may not be a need, per se, it is definitely important on some level.

From like 1972 to 1995, Disneyland was a yearly or twice-yearly event for me, and it was a different experience every time based on the groups of people I was with or which specific things we did, as well as integrating stays at the DLH into the trips starting in the late '80s. Those DL trips were something happy to look forward to during my otherwise troubled childhood, and without Disneyland in my life my childhood would have been very different and much less joyful. So I don't know how I could ever say that a trip to DL - then or now - is frivolous or unnecessary (like many people would say it is) because it has meant so much more to me than that.

However, from 1996 through 1999 I did not go to DLR at all (I was involved with a boyfriend who was very un-Disney and disinterested in going there, and I had some health stuff come up that required $$$). Because I was preoccupied with other things, I didn't realize how much I missed it. Then I went back in 2000 and in 2001, and I knew I couldn't stay away that long again....or at least I didn't plan on it. But I fell on hard times financially, and I could not get caught up or get the debt paid off to save my life. Ironically, I even had to sell some of my Disney things to pay bills - which was like getting punched in the face. I HATED having to part with some of my favorite collectibles that I would never be able to find again. I was struggling mightily to keep up with rent and food. So, because of circumstances I ended up staying away from for SIX years!:scared1: Honestly, after the first couple of years I stopped thinking about it. You get used to NOT going after a while - even if you think that is impossible. It can be done. But again, I have to say that, especially because of how much I was struggling with what life was throwing at me, any alternative activity to cheer myself up was not on par with what a trip to DLR would bring me.

So when I finally went back to DLR in 2007 - because of some free tickets I got from a client who felt bad for me when I lost my 14-year job, I was almost sort of apathetic about it because I was so used to NOT going or not being able to go so I didn't have that same excitement I would have had before previous trips. It took only a few moments for the unique Disney magic that we all know so well to hit me and I was bitten by the bug all over again. And I knew that I could not stay away for that long again. Yes, I may not be able to go every year - I may have to skip a year here or there - or I may not be able to do Halloween and Christmas and will just have to make one trip instead of two in a year, and I may not even be able to stay at a hotel and will just have to go and take in the holiday splendor in a brief day trip to DLR. No, I have not gotten out of financial hot water and I probably won't for many years to come, but if I waited until I was totally in the clear money-wise to go to DLR again, I would probably NEVER see DLR again in my life! Am I realistically going to stay away from DLR for the rest of my life? No. I can't go crazy with the trips and I know that at the end of the day, keeping the rent paid and the lights turned on is more important to my life than a DLR trip, so I have to kind of balance things and put them in perspective. BUT the sort of restorative and energizing effect a DLR trip has on me personally and the way it affects my mood and overall outlook on things and life's problems, as well as the way it brings my friends together, is irreplaceable and immeasurable. So it is maybe not a 'need' in the traditional sense, but I would say Disneyland, to me, is definitely very.....integral to staying in touch with the inner child and remaining joyful and positive during the worst possible times! No matter how badly things are going for me, and no matter how many aches and pains my older, creakier body may have from various health problems, a trip to DLR will always make things seem brighter by the end of the day, and I leave feeling refreshed and more capable of facing the challenges that await me when I get back home.:goodvibes

AmericanItGirl
05-17-2009, 10:44 AM
If you can, yes, get a law job by DL or WDW AND work for them as well (I think you can work for Disney in other places other than near the parks).

I got a buddy who is a lawyer for Disney and she lives in So Cal which means she gets all the perks that come with working for the mouse while being close enough in distance to the parks to actually enjoy those perks: free park admission, big in park discounts, and I think I recall her saying they do certain employee only nights (like the yearly Xmas party) where they close the park to all but Disney workers,etc)...What fun!

A big part of why I'd want to be a lawyer for Disney is the perks, which I'm already aware of somewhat because I had a friend in hs whose father was an animator for Disney when she was little so she had all of these stories about the perks they got. Now that I've made my decision for law school (another school came in at the last minute with comparable scholarship money to the one that I was originally planning to go to, so I'm now going to go to Michigan State...who recently won an entertainment brief competition held by Pepperdine, they also have a good intellectual property focus which would be good for Disney), I can focus on going to Disneyland at the end of next month (aside from looking for work, I hate being unemployed). It's such a happy zen feeling for me to just think about my upcoming trip in spite of having to deal with a bridezilla in planning this trip:rolleyes1 that I can see how parents who have to deal with crazy children plan regular trips, if only to have something to look forward to at the end of the day. :rolleyes:

In another note, maybe some parents taking trips to WDW when they shouldn't ought to stop by the new Epcot exhibit "The Great Piggy Bank Adventure" (http://www.usatoday.com/travel/destinations/2009-05-14-disney-great-piggy-bank_N.htm)

Judy from Boise
05-17-2009, 12:22 PM
I think Disney is in the same category as gardens, pets, books, music, art etc. No one physically dies without them, but on the flip side are they really living?

Grumpy'sWife4Ever
05-17-2009, 03:51 PM
I think Disney is in the same category as gardens, pets, books, music, art etc. No one physically dies without them, but on the flip side are they really living?

VERY well said!! :thumbsup2

tasha99
05-17-2009, 11:17 PM
I think Disneyland falls under the "want" category, but it--or at least some kind of annual vacation--is a pretty high priority for me. Last year, we couldn't afford to go, so we went camping and stayed with friends in Montana. This year, we can't afford to go due to unexpected car repairs, but unfortunately I jumped the gun on buying tickets. We could not go and lose our plane tickets, but I'm throwing caution to the wind and going. I see people here criticize the po' folk who go to DL/WDW when they can't afford it, but I think they really don't get how much more important a break is when you are struggling and not really making it. I work, go to school, volunteer, and am a single parent, and it may not be very adult of me, but I would rather make this trip as budget as possible than tell the kids that we aren't going. So we're going . . . just with a suitcase full of our own food. And then in the future, no buying tickets till I have a better cushion saved. Luckily (or only partly due to luck--I worked my butt off to get into my Masters program), in a couple years, money won't be such a big issue anymore. Is Disney an obsession? Maybe . . . guess I'll find out if I find myself spending my disposable income on DVC points. ;)

dorky dork
05-24-2009, 10:21 PM
it used to be a "need" for me. especially when the parents were spending for everything. but ever since i got a job, with all the bills and down economy, i find it harder and harder to make room for the disney "need". i too have downgraded to a "want". just my 2 cents on that.

toocherie
05-24-2009, 11:10 PM
ILuckily (or only partly due to luck--I worked my butt off to get into my Masters program), in a couple years, money won't be such a big issue anymore. Is Disney an obsession? Maybe . . . guess I'll find out if I find myself spending my disposable income on DVC points. ;)

Congrats on getting in the program you wanted--what are you getting your Masters in? And be careful--DVC points are addictive-=take it from the voice of experience!

tasha99
05-25-2009, 01:32 AM
Congrats on getting in the program you wanted--what are you getting your Masters in? And be careful--DVC points are addictive-=take it from the voice of experience!
Thanks. :) I'm getting a Masters in Speech Language Pathology, with lots of extra coursework in early intervention and special ed (going the school rather than medical path, though I'll have to do a medical internship anyway). By the time I can afford those DVC points, only my youngest will still be home, and he'll be in high school. I'm kind of dreaming of getting points and having family reunions and get togethers at WDW (all my siblings have younger children, so I think I could twist their arms). :goodvibes I'll have summers off, so I'm thinking I'll make it to WDW at least every other year.

Boo Bear
05-25-2009, 06:44 PM
Good topic of conversation! I can argue both sides but I'll conclude with my final answer.... I can see how the wonder and magic of the place can be a necessity to a family who has never been and saves to go. Disneyland can offer magic for families with struggles (nothing specific), but I don't think it's Disney itself that becomes a need. I think that people want something as close to an escape from everyday life as possible, and for some people that escape is manifested in Disneyland, WDW or whatever. It can give people hope.

However, I think that the term "need" is used too loosely by many people. I think that our only necessities are things we must have for survival. If you're in a horrible state in life, and you think that Disneyland is the cure for all of your problems, you need therapy. Disney is a big part of my happy place, and I don't deny my fair share of personal issues, but my priorities are survival based and those are love for my family, food on my table, clothes on my back, and plans for my survival in the future. DL trips are something to help me find escape, but it's temporary. Life must go on. So... it's a want, but has remnants of what is good for our well-being. Even still, it isn't essential for survival.

Wow that was so neanderthal of me... ooga booga!

toocherie
05-25-2009, 07:33 PM
Good topic of conversation! I can argue both sides but I'll conclude with my final answer.... I can see how the wonder and magic of the place can be a necessity to a family who has never been and saves to go. Disneyland can offer magic for families with struggles (nothing specific), but I don't think it's Disney itself that becomes a need. I think that people want something as close to an escape from everyday life as possible, and for some people that escape is manifested in Disneyland, WDW or whatever. It can give people hope.

However, I think that the term "need" is used too loosely by many people. I think that our only necessities are things we must have for survival. If you're in a horrible state in life, and you think that Disneyland is the cure for all of your problems, you need therapy. Disney is a big part of my happy place, and I don't deny my fair share of personal issues, but my priorities are survival based and those are love for my family, food on my table, clothes on my back, and plans for my survival in the future. DL trips are something to help me find escape, but it's temporary. Life must go on. So... it's a want, but has remnants of what is good for our well-being. Even still, it isn't essential for survival.

Wow that was so neanderthal of me... ooga booga!


Actually, I thought it was very eloquently stated!

Boo Bear
05-25-2009, 08:19 PM
Actually, I thought it was very eloquently stated!

Well thanks, I'm generally well spoken, but sometimes my explanations make so much sense to me and it seems like complete nonsense to others.

grizbuzz
05-28-2009, 04:33 PM
Mom fakes kidnapping and goes to WDW. :scared1:
I'm thinking this crosses the line?
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090528/ap_on_re_us/us_abduction_hoax;_ylt=AqNrTkwuPUSlmd2fQkz_omNvzwc F;_ylu=X3oDMTJpMWhsNjRwBGFzc2V0A2FwLzIwMDkwNTI4L3V zX2FiZHVjdGlvbl9ob2F4BGNwb3MDMQRwb3MDMQRzZWMDeW5fd G9wX3N0b3J5BHNsawNpbnZlc3RpZ2F0b3I-

toocherie
05-28-2009, 04:39 PM
Mom fakes kidnapping and goes to WDW. :scared1:
I'm thinking this crosses the line?
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090528/ap_on_re_us/us_abduction_hoax;_ylt=AqNrTkwuPUSlmd2fQkz_omNvzwc F;_ylu=X3oDMTJpMWhsNjRwBGFzc2V0A2FwLzIwMDkwNTI4L3V zX2FiZHVjdGlvbl9ob2F4BGNwb3MDMQRwb3MDMQRzZWMDeW5fd G9wX3N0b3J5BHNsawNpbnZlc3RpZ2F0b3I-

Yes, I think this went from "want" to "need"--and not in a good way!

Boo Bear
05-29-2009, 12:03 AM
Mom fakes kidnapping and goes to WDW. :scared1:
I'm thinking this crosses the line?
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090528/ap_on_re_us/us_abduction_hoax;_ylt=AqNrTkwuPUSlmd2fQkz_omNvzwc F;_ylu=X3oDMTJpMWhsNjRwBGFzc2V0A2FwLzIwMDkwNTI4L3V zX2FiZHVjdGlvbl9ob2F4BGNwb3MDMQRwb3MDMQRzZWMDeW5fd G9wX3N0b3J5BHNsawNpbnZlc3RpZ2F0b3I-

Well I had heard about the car being impounded with no scratches on it like she had claimed. But WDW are you freaking serious?! I try not to judge, but WHAT A CRAZY! Who does that?!

PinkBudgie
05-29-2009, 08:22 AM
What I'm curious is which hotel did she go to? Maybe it is the psychology major in me coming out but I would love to know what was going on in her head. It seems to everyone else like she suddenly snapped but maybe it is the last in a series of small choices she has been making. I got the feeling that she didn't do all this in order to go to WDW, but that she just thought it would be a good place to hide. :confused Or maybe it was a way to get her daughter to go along with her without complaint.

Judy from Boise
05-29-2009, 08:39 AM
Sweeten, 38, and her 9-year-old daughter Julia Rakoczy were tracked to the Grand Floridian Hotel in Disney World Wednesday evening.

at least she had good taste!

PinkBudgie
05-29-2009, 08:44 AM
Sweeten, 38, and her 9-year-old daughter Julia Rakoczy were tracked to the Grand Floridian Hotel in Disney World Wednesday evening.

at least she had good taste!


Wow! You are just a fount of information this morning, going around with answers to all my questions in different threads! :thumbsup2 :rotfl:

I was just wondering if she would go for the top of the line or stay low key in a Pop.

AlabamaPrincesses
05-29-2009, 09:20 AM
Absolutely a "want". If your credit cards are maxed out and you are struggling to pay your bills you shouldn't be going to Disney!

Judy from Boise
05-29-2009, 06:18 PM
You can see how motivated i was to get to work this am LOL!

toocherie
05-30-2009, 12:00 AM
Sweeten, 38, and her 9-year-old daughter Julia Rakoczy were tracked to the Grand Floridian Hotel in Disney World Wednesday evening.

at least she had good taste!

I wondered why she needed $12,000 to go to WDW. Now I know--thanks!

CaliforniaDreamer
05-30-2009, 12:09 AM
Absolutely a "want". If your credit cards are maxed out and you are struggling to pay your bills you shouldn't be going to Disney!

Totally agree with this.

Good topic of conversation! I can argue both sides but I'll conclude with my final answer.... I can see how the wonder and magic of the place can be a necessity to a family who has never been and saves to go. Disneyland can offer magic for families with struggles (nothing specific), but I don't think it's Disney itself that becomes a need. I think that people want something as close to an escape from everyday life as possible, and for some people that escape is manifested in Disneyland, WDW or whatever. It can give people hope.

However, I think that the term "need" is used too loosely by many people. I think that our only necessities are things we must have for survival. If you're in a horrible state in life, and you think that Disneyland is the cure for all of your problems, you need therapy. Disney is a big part of my happy place, and I don't deny my fair share of personal issues, but my priorities are survival based and those are love for my family, food on my table, clothes on my back, and plans for my survival in the future. DL trips are something to help me find escape, but it's temporary. Life must go on. So... it's a want, but has remnants of what is good for our well-being. Even still, it isn't essential for survival.
!

Well said. It is fun for the days you're there, but if you haven't covered the basic necessities of life, the bills will last for months and only add to your troubles.