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DLR29
04-24-2009, 01:56 AM
So I was just wandering on another site (which I will not name, but most of you will be able to figure out)...

They were discussing Mickey's Fun Wheel and complaining that the queue is not going to be more entertaining. I was like seriously people? I really like the Fun Wheel's new look. It looks fresh and new, and a major improvement over the sun. Why can't people like it without criticizing every little thing. Of course the queue isn't going to be along the same lines as Indy. There's no space! But the atmosphere of the queue is suitable because you're surrounded by the lake (when it gets filled back in) and carnival music and the new (really nice looking) games buildings.


Rant over...

So I came back to these boards to feel better! :cool1::cool1::cool1:

:disrocks:

wazowskiLOVER:)
04-24-2009, 02:18 AM
I hear ya!

Seriously it happens over here too on the DIS and I always get so disappointed on how silly it gets over the complaints. Seriously its a ferris wheel; we're not talking some grand attraction with animatronics, studio lighting, and crazy dips and screwdrivers. I'm completely happy with how its going to look and its going to happen anyway so the complaining won't stop it.

I'm excited as well :)

Grumpy'sWife4Ever
04-24-2009, 10:26 AM
I wonder about people sometimes.....

It is just like when you are at the park and you see people who are just NOT happy - grumbling because of the crowds, heat, prices of food, what have you. I always think to myself "But you are at DISNEYLAND!!" (or DCA, but you see my point ;))
Heck, my VERY worst day at DLR is ten times better than my best day anywhere else. Why would a person spend their time complaining?? My DH has to physically restrain me from dancing everywhere we go.....:banana:

Okay, my rant is over too.....on with the post!! LOL!

pixiewings71
04-24-2009, 02:52 PM
Because some people are never happy.....and now you know why I Dis, because all the "other" places I tried seemed so negative.....

AlexMouse
04-24-2009, 06:13 PM
I agree to some extent that people should just enjoy the experience...

That being said, I have heard the complaint many times that the Paradise Pier area of California Adventure is exactly the kind of thing that Walt said he never wanted in the parks. He didn't want amusement-park-style rides and games. That was his original reason for building Disneyland in the first place!

So, while I can see your point about just enjoying the magic, I can also see the other side of the argument.

Personally, I love the Paradise Pier area, even though I also think it was about as "Disney" from Walt's perspective as "The Extra Terror-estrial Alien Encounter."

prettyprincessbelle
04-24-2009, 06:38 PM
I know what you're talking about. Everything they pick apart! DCA, food, prices, Tomorrowland, etc.. It's like, well if you're complaining so much, why do you even go? :confused3

AlexMouse
04-24-2009, 09:43 PM
I know what you're talking about. Everything they pick apart! DCA, food, prices, Tomorrowland, etc.. It's like, well if you're complaining so much, why do you even go? :confused3

Complaints for the sake of complaining don't do anyone any good. However, there is room for criticism, even strong criticism at times.

Remember back when Pressler thought it would be a fabulous money-saving idea to close all of the rides in Disneyland EARLY? During that "wonderful" time you'd literally be there for the last hour of the day with nothing to ride.

What if no one complained about that?

No, I disagree that people should just "enjoy it" and never criticize anything. Those of us who have grown up with Disneyland (in one way or another) sometimes have strong opinions about changes. Disney does listen.

Again, that doesn't mean people should just complain for no reason, but constructive criticism is necessary at times.

And just as an FYI... I never heard so much complaining about anything related to Disneyland as from the folks on the DIS Unplugged podcast about the food there. Personally I'm quite fond of the food there, so that just goes to show you that we all have our own opinions and sometimes a little respect for opinions different than our own can go a long way. It doesn't mean I think any less of them or think they should have "just enjoyed it," it just means they are entitled to their own opinions and I respect that.

For the record, I think they all do an awesome job with the podcast, and that's what got me to these boards in the first place.

prettyprincessbelle
04-24-2009, 10:35 PM
Complaints for the sake of complaining don't do anyone any good. However, there is room for criticism, even strong criticism at times.

Remember back when Pressler thought it would be a fabulous money-saving idea to close all of the rides in Disneyland EARLY? During that "wonderful" time you'd literally be there for the last hour of the day with nothing to ride.

What if no one complained about that?

No, I disagree that people should just "enjoy it" and never criticize anything. Those of us who have grown up with Disneyland (in one way or another) sometimes have strong opinions about changes. Disney does listen.

Again, that doesn't mean people should just complain for no reason, but constructive criticism is necessary at times.

And just as an FYI... I never heard so much complaining about anything related to Disneyland as from the folks on the DIS Unplugged podcast about the food there. Personally I'm quite fond of the food there, so that just goes to show you that we all have our own opinions and sometimes a little respect for opinions different than our own can go a long way. It doesn't mean I think any less of them or think they should have "just enjoyed it," it just means they are entitled to their own opinions and I respect that.

For the record, I think they all do an awesome job with the podcast, and that's what got me to these boards in the first place.

A lot of the complaining on that board the OP was I'm sure referring to is more for the sake of complaining. At least it seems like it. Or they're all just not liking how Disney is doing things these days.

Everyone (thing?) needs constructive criticism, and I think Disneyland does a good job (like you said!) in listening to the complaints of it's guests and trying to fix them (like CM costumer service, food, park cleanliness). And they were listening to complaints of guests about DCA (well attendance did the complaining for the guests) enough to fix it.

Ohh, yeah, I feel you about the food complaining on that podcast. I love the food at DL, so I was kind of sad. But I know a lot of people on this board are very very into WDW and how much more "superior" it is to DLR, so I don't think that podcast helped much in that area (getting people who were on the fence on visiting DLR). But I do enjoy the Dis Unplugged very much! Especially now that we have our own DL people!

:goodvibes

AlexMouse
04-24-2009, 11:40 PM
A lot of the complaining on that board the OP was I'm sure referring to is more for the sake of complaining. At least it seems like it. Or they're all just not liking how Disney is doing things these days.

Everyone (thing?) needs constructive criticism, and I think Disneyland does a good job (like you said!) in listening to the complaints of it's guests and trying to fix them (like CM costumer service, food, park cleanliness). And they were listening to complaints of guests about DCA (well attendance did the complaining for the guests) enough to fix it.

Ohh, yeah, I feel you about the food complaining on that podcast. I love the food at DL, so I was kind of sad. But I know a lot of people on this board are very very into WDW and how much more "superior" it is to DLR, so I don't think that podcast helped much in that area (getting people who were on the fence on visiting DLR). But I do enjoy the Dis Unplugged very much! Especially now that we have our own DL people!

:goodvibes

I agree! I will say, however, that I've been to Walt Disney World several times and I can see how easy it would be to get "spoiled" by the plethora of extremely yummy food options there. It's all a matter of perspective, I suppose!

That being said, I would challenge anyone to visit any other theme park in California and find better quality food than at DLR.

DLR29
04-25-2009, 12:23 AM
It's like, well if you're complaining so much, why do you even go? :confused3

To find more things to complain about! Duh...:rotfl::rotfl:

Krissy Marissy
04-25-2009, 02:19 PM
I agree. Although Walt may not like some of the things in the park...the point of this OP was the complaining for the waiting area for mickey's fun wheel. And ITA there! It doesn't need to be fancy. There is a lot of stuff to look at, fun music...people just need to chill out and be more appreciative of where they are. Some people never get to visit that amazing place and I bet they wouldn't complain if they had the chance. Everyone has opinions but when I am in the park...keep them to yourself. Nothing worse than having one of "those" people in line spewing out anti disney garbage. So annoying! :(

AlexMouse
04-25-2009, 04:44 PM
I agree. Although Walt may not like some of the things in the park...the point of this OP was the complaining for the waiting area for mickey's fun wheel. And ITA there! It doesn't need to be fancy. There is a lot of stuff to look at, fun music...people just need to chill out and be more appreciative of where they are. Some people never get to visit that amazing place and I bet they wouldn't complain if they had the chance. Everyone has opinions but when I am in the park...keep them to yourself. Nothing worse than having one of "those" people in line spewing out anti disney garbage. So annoying! :(

Well perhaps... but still, I never give anyone else the right to ruin my day. Let them complain all they want, it won't change my perspective.

Personally, I've never been on Mickey's Fun Wheel (or The Sun Wheel, as it used to be called) and I'll never go on it, so I suppose the point about complaining about the queue is a bit lost on me.

Sorry, I'm just too chicken to go on that one. Actually, it's the only ride there I won't go on.

Grumpy'sWife4Ever
04-25-2009, 09:37 PM
I agree to some extent that people should just enjoy the experience...

That being said, I have heard the complaint many times that the Paradise Pier area of California Adventure is exactly the kind of thing that Walt said he never wanted in the parks. He didn't want amusement-park-style rides and games. That was his original reason for building Disneyland in the first place!

So, while I can see your point about just enjoying the magic, I can also see the other side of the argument.

Personally, I love the Paradise Pier area, even though I also think it was about as "Disney" from Walt's perspective as "The Extra Terror-estrial Alien Encounter."

This is very true Alex, but I kind of think that DCA is a "Walt-less" Disney park. KWIM? Kind of like, there is none of his spirit and vision there because of course it was conceived and built so many years after he was gone. I think of it as the "Pixar" and "Disney Channel" park, and not really tied to Walt in any way. When you walk through the turnstiles at DL, stroll under the railway and emerge on Main Street, you can FEEL Walt. You sense his vision, his wonder, and his magic. I don't get that at DCA, and I wouldn't expect to. (Save for maybe the Animation studios) I still love being there, it is fun and wonderful and has an endearment all it's own....but it isn't the creation of Walt. All he knew that area to be was a parking lot, LOL!! So while I see your argument for wanting to stand up for Walt's vision, in my gut I feel that if Walt were still here DCA would not exist at all, or if it did it would be an entirely different park.

AlexMouse
04-27-2009, 01:42 AM
This is very true Alex, but I kind of think that DCA is a "Walt-less" Disney park. KWIM? Kind of like, there is none of his spirit and vision there because of course it was conceived and built so many years after he was gone. I think of it as the "Pixar" and "Disney Channel" park, and not really tied to Walt in any way. When you walk through the turnstiles at DL, stroll under the railway and emerge on Main Street, you can FEEL Walt. You sense his vision, his wonder, and his magic. I don't get that at DCA, and I wouldn't expect to. (Save for maybe the Animation studios) I still love being there, it is fun and wonderful and has an endearment all it's own....but it isn't the creation of Walt. All he knew that area to be was a parking lot, LOL!! So while I see your argument for wanting to stand up for Walt's vision, in my gut I feel that if Walt were still here DCA would not exist at all, or if it did it would be an entirely different park.

Yup yup I agree with everything you've said. I actually love DCA, but for sure, there is very little of "Walt" there, unlike Disneyland where there is SO MUCH of Walt there!

Still, especially right after DCA opened there were a lot of complaints about how so much of it was off-the-shelf rides. (I won't even consider calling something like "Orange Stinger" an attraction!)

I do feel like they really are trying to make it "more Disney" though, so bravo to Disney for that!

I sure remember walking across that area when it was the parking lot, though! I used to always stay at one of the hotels up on Katella and walk across the parking lot to Disneyland :)

Grumpy'sWife4Ever
04-27-2009, 02:41 AM
Yes, I do think they realized that they made a mistake by leaving so much of Walt out of DCA, and am glad to hear that they are bringing more of his legacy and memory there. I think maybe they tried encapsulating ALL of the different kinds of California attractions into one park which maybe was too ambitious? You know, the backlot thing like Universal, the Boardwalk thing, the major ride thing..... You have to give them props, they are finding their stride.

And yes, I remember Disneyland when there was a huge rolling parking lot as far as the eye can see and it was just the most glorious feeling thinking all those people where there for one little mouse.....:lovestruc

Eeee-va
04-28-2009, 01:20 AM
I don't mind occasional complaining, but I just now saw the phrase "lipstick on a pig" used to describe the Sun Wheel's repaint. :headache: When I saw the photo of it without the scaffolding I thought it was so gorgeous! The ride itself originated in Coney Island and is one of their few rides left from the 1920s. So I hate that people would imply that the ride itself is terrible. You don't have to like it (I don't really enjoy being on it since I have a fear of heights), and it's fine if you don't even think it has a place in Disneyland, but I don't see that the ride (and by implication the one on Coney Island) is a "pig." :(

As far as DCA, I can definitely see the "Walt-less" park argument for when it opened...I didn't think it was a bad park, but if felt to me like it was done more for the money than to immerse visitors in new lands. But I do think they're back on the right track. :) I agree that Walt probably would not have built DCA, but I really like the direction they're taking it.

AlexMouse
04-28-2009, 01:32 AM
I don't mind occasional complaining, but I just now saw the phrase "lipstick on a pig" used to describe the Sun Wheel's repaint. :headache: When I saw the photo of it without the scaffolding I thought it was so gorgeous! The ride itself originated in Coney Island and is one of their few rides left from the 1920s.

And it's still there! The "Wonder Wheel" in Wonder Wheel Park!

(Not to be confused with the "Wonder Wheel" that Richard Pryor rode around the department store in "The Toy" OMG I love that movie... but I digress... Hmm, perhaps I shouldn't post after 3 Whiskey Sours?)

Woooooaaaah Wonder Wheeellllll!!! Wooooaaaahhhh!!!!

And you'll give a decent burial to Wonder Wheel? That's my friend!

Grumpy'sWife4Ever
04-28-2009, 01:34 AM
I don't mind occasional complaining, but I just now saw the phrase "lipstick on a pig" used to describe the Sun Wheel's repaint. :headache: When I saw the photo of it without the scaffolding I thought it was so gorgeous! The ride itself originated in Coney Island and is one of their few rides left from the 1920s. So I hate that people would imply that the ride itself is terrible. You don't have to like it (I don't really enjoy being on it since I have a fear of heights), and it's fine if you don't even think it has a place in Disneyland, but I don't see that the ride (and by implication the one on Coney Island) is a "pig." :(

As far as DCA, I can definitely see the "Walt-less" park argument for when it opened...I didn't think it was a bad park, but if felt to me like it was done more for the money than to immerse visitors in new lands. But I do think they're back on the right track. :) I agree that Walt probably would not have built DCA, but I really like the direction they're taking it.

Eeee-va, where did you read such an awful remark? Hopefully not on the DIS? I don't think that there is a place on earth that puts more work into visuals and asthetics than Disney. Whether they follow what Walt would have done or not, Disney goes over-the-top in keeping their parks full of eye candy. Just a stroll through some of the amazing photos in the Disneyland Picture of the Day post shows that there are no bad angles in a Disney park!! A hundred lashes with a wet noodle to whomever would argue otherwise! :upsidedow

DLR29
04-28-2009, 01:38 AM
I don't mind occasional complaining, but I just now saw the phrase "lipstick on a pig" used to describe the Sun Wheel's repaint. :headache: When I saw the photo of it without the scaffolding I thought it was so gorgeous! The ride itself originated in Coney Island and is one of their few rides left from the 1920s. So I hate that people would imply that the ride itself is terrible. You don't have to like it (I don't really enjoy being on it since I have a fear of heights), and it's fine if you don't even think it has a place in Disneyland, but I don't see that the ride (and by implication the one on Coney Island) is a "pig." :(

I saw that comment too...:scared: I totally agree with what you said (except I enjoy riding it). I've been on the Coney Island one too. They're so unique.

Eeee-va
04-28-2009, 01:59 AM
Eeee-va, where did you read such an awful remark? Hopefully not on the DIS?

No, no, no, not here! It was on MiceAge. And some of the readers there are taking issue with the criticism too. (Though one of the people who posted about the negativity being over the top was me. :rolleyes1 )

I rode the one in Coney Island too...I was still frightened but oh, the memories. :love: Not sure I'll ever get on a swinging car, though, on either the Fun Wheel or the Wonder Wheel. :worried:

mechurchlady
04-28-2009, 02:06 AM
http://micechat.com/forums/blogs/dateline-disneyland/1079-food-wine-festival-tomorrowland-refurbs-dca-work-summer-nightastic-much-more.html
This is a very heavy page and can take a while to load.

While the Fun Wheel project wraps up and amounts to nothing more but lipstick on a pig, the World of Color show continues construction in Paradise Bay, determined not to be a failure.

I think pigs are cute and the Sun Wheel is cute but this is machinery and pigs like comparing apples and mangos.

Grumpy'sWife4Ever
04-28-2009, 10:19 AM
There has to be a great joke here somewhere that ties in the "pig" comment with the swine flu, but I am at a loss to come up with it. Let's just all pretend I am clever and laugh anyway.....

:lmao:

Mike_M
04-28-2009, 12:01 PM
The attitudes over there during the IASW Plussing period pretty much ended my regular visiting to that site. There actually were people saying that they were not renewing their APs in protest.

That site's membership is made up of mostly locals and many of them are interested (either seriously or in an armchair quarterback kind of way) in being Imagineers and therefore think that their ideas for the park are better than the people actually working for WDI as Imagineers. They have their own direction they want the parks to go in and feel betrayed by WDI when things happen they do not like. It's a bit obsessive.

The other attitude over there that dominates is the desire to keep DL from changing anymore. Too many people over there are unable to accept that rides come and go and talk nonstop about bringing back old attractions and not changing others (Or reversing changes that have already happened). Just the complaints about Tom Sawyer Island alone were incredibly picky and petty.

This site is different and I'm so glad I found it. Sure people have opinions, but we are mostly about enjoying what DLR has to offer rather than fantasize about taking up the reins ourselves. pirate:

Saskiwi
04-28-2009, 06:49 PM
I was so much more impressed with DCA than I thought I would be, after reading so many damning reports on it online. The Unofficial Guide is pretty negative about it too, I thought.

We just visited DL for the first time in 10 years, and obviously our first ever visit to DCA. Coming from outside the US the whole "California" theme is much more interesting to us than perhaps it is to CA locals - I agree that it is pretty much "Walt-free" but the whole Pixar element really appealed to us, especially our kids (9 and 6) who are growing up watching those movies.

We LOVED the Pixar Play Parade and Monsters Inc ride and the whole Animation studio building is brilliant - you could spend hours in there. The detail in the Sorcerer's Workshop rooms is great, the rooms are beautifully fitted out- very true to DL and the way attention to detail is so special there.

The Aladdin show was spectacular - worth the price of the park admission in itself.

Getting back onto the topic of appreciation, one thing that did bug me, was the way many guests seemed reluctant to applaud or show appreciation during parades and other "events", both in DCA and DL.

Big generalisation here, but I'm used to Americans being very demonstrative at such occasions, with lots of hootin' and hollerin', but when we watched "Celebrate!" and the "Play Parade", I felt a little sorry for some of the CMs who were busting their butts for very little crowd response. A family next to me at Aladdin didn't applaud ONCE during the whole show - I couldn't believe it. And the poor guy who was the MC/DJ in "Celebrate!" -trying to elicit a few responses from the crowd was hard work!

Maybe most of the crowd are locals who just come to expect these sorts of events on one of their regular visits to DL/DCA and take this sort of high-quality entertainment for granted, but as someone who doesn't get to visit that often, I was surprised at the lack of appreciation shown for what is really world-class entertainment