ROFR-A Bone to Pick-Why Post the Announcement?

[WilsonFlyer]

Let me say first that the very nature of this post is going to peeve some off, I suppose. I say that because I want to stress that is NOT its intent. The intent is to get an answer to a question that's been nagging me since I joined this board. Having prefaced my question, here goes...


We are all very pleased when we join DVC or buy and add-on. Some of us choose to announce it and some of us choose not to. I think we all relish in the pleasure we see when someone establishes or otherwise enhances their ownership in DVC and their joy with said purchase.

What really gets me is all these posts and threads regarding ROFR.

Disney passes on ROFRs all the time. They reject on ROFRs all the time. There's nothing statistically meaningful in simply telling us "we passed" or "we didn't pass".

Are these posts as described in the paragraph proceeding this one (joy and celebration) or are they thought to somehow be informative of what is happening at any given instant in time in the ROFR process?

If one is not going to share any quantitative information regarding the ROFR, why share anything other than, "We purchased a DVC interest today. Please join us in our joy over this."?

I understand that it is anyone's right to withhold the financials of their transaction. It is certainly understandable that some are willing to share (isn't it a matter of public record anyway, BTW?) and some are not (on the forums) and that's OK.

EVERY time I see a ROFR post or thread, I run to see how the market is performing relative to yesterday. I hope to see trends and be able to establish whether the value of my purchase is diminishing or increasing relative to last month or last year for that matter.

Maybe I expect too much, but to sum it all up, why make threads entitled "We Passed ROFR today, blah, blah, blah" unless there is quantitative data available for analysis? The ROFR concept has nothing to do with the act of buying. Once purchased, ROFR is out of the way. Why not just say, "We bought today! Be happy and post smiley faces for us."

Now I'm rambling and I guess that's all this is anyway; a rant, so I'll stop now. It won't make any difference anyway but I wanted to get it off my chest. So there. :rotfl2:

:EndRant:

[CarolA]

If you don't want to play you don't have too... So just don't open those threads.

[Tozzie]

Maybe the people post it because they are excited about the contract passing and they are now members and want to share it with people who understand and are happy for them. No one forces you to open the thread and I honestly can't understand why it annoys you.

[WilsonFlyer]

See? Some things just don't communicate as well via the written word as they do via verbal communications.

Mods, please close and lock. I guess I knew I couldn't get the interpretation I intended. :(

[Sandisw]

what your message was trying to convey

I agree with you that when I see ROFR, I am also curious in the price per point that went through and for what resort as it helped me in guiding my resale purchase recently. But sometimes I got that and other times I didn't.

I think that people are so excited and when you research all the information about buying resale, ROFR is the big "stumbling block" to getting a good deal. Not like a typical real estate transaction where buyer and seller are the only one who has to like the terms.

So, the stress of waiting just bubbles out into the I PASSED WOO HOO!!!!

[JimMIA]

If you don't want to play you don't have too... So just don't open those threads.
I agree. I have a whole raft of types of threads which don't interest me and I don't waste my time opening them. Most of them are not things I dislike -- just things I don't care about. There are many, many things which are legitimately important to some members which don't interest me.

Nobody else determines what I look at, or don't look at. My decision, my fault if I don't like what I read...and an even bigger bad if I continue reading once I realize what the thread is about.

[tgropp]

The joys of a free country, to be able to do the things that you want, without intentionally hurting someone. It is actually a good tool if you are buying a resale. It gives you a good idea of what the market price is but more importantly what the sellers are willing to pay, such as closing costs or maintenance fees.

[WilsonFlyer]

Maybe the people post it because they are excited about the contract passing and they are now members and want to share it with people who understand and are happy for them. No one forces you to open the thread and I honestly can't understand why it annoys you.

Now you're putting words in my mouth and I don't appreciate that. I never said nor even implied that they annoy me. My point is that they are meaningless relative to the title's statement if they don't contain usable information.

Never mind. (sigh)

[WilsonFlyer]

The joys of a free country, to be able to do the things that you want, without intentionally hurting someone. It is actually a good tool if you are buying a resale. It gives you a good idea of what the market price is but more importantly what the sellers are willing to pay, such as closing costs or maintenance fees.

That's my whole point. Very few of those posts/threads contain any of the useful information you're talking about. That was my WHOLE point (and my ONLY point).

[WilsonFlyer]

what your message was trying to convey

I agree with you that when I see ROFR, I am also curious in the price per point that went through and for what resort as it helped me in guiding my resale purchase recently. But sometimes I got that and other times I didn't.

I think that people are so excited and when you research all the information about buying resale, ROFR is the big "stumbling block" to getting a good deal. Not like a typical real estate transaction where buyer and seller are the only one who has to like the terms.

So, the stress of waiting just bubbles out into the I PASSED WOO HOO!!!!

As usual, you goes in the "git it" column. I guess I wasn't totally unable to articulate my intended message.

[Tozzie]

Now you're putting words in my mouth and I don't appreciate that. I never said nor even implied that they annoy me. My point is that they are meaningless relative to the title's statement if they don't contain usable information.

Never mind. (sigh)


I am not putting words in your mouth, you most certainly, imo, did imply that they annoy you.

[DVC_Corrys]

I get excited for people. We just purchased (through Disney) so we didn't have ROFR suspense but I totally understand why people want to celebrate. Also, who better to celebrate that moment with than people who are DVC members and can understand your excitement.

Just avoid the posts if you don't like them... I avoid ones that I don't care to read!!

[Jacky]

I see trends in the ROFR information. And trends in the prices. After reading them I knew I could ask seller to split closing costs with me. :-)

Plus I enjoy sharing in the happiness of others when they pass.

I love that thread!!

Jacky

[ACDSNY]

I'm not sure if you're referencing single threads or the on-going ROFR thread. When I was in the process of purchasing or selling our resale contacts I used the On-going ROFR thread to get an idea of what may or may not pass, so it was useful info.

[bavaria]

I'm not sure if you're referencing single threads or the on-going ROFR thread. When I was in the process of purchasing or selling our resale contacts I used the On-going ROFR thread to get an idea of what may or may not pass, so it was useful info.

Exactly. The quantitative information is in that thread. The other threads I just took as celebration. Considering the number of negative threads and topics here, I'm surprised to see someone complaining about people posting news which they consider 'happy news'.

But I suppose that I will be accused of putting words in OPs mouth. If I misunderstood, it would appear that I am not alone, and this time cannot blame my English skills. (That was for Tozzie ;) )

What really gets me is all these posts and threads regarding ROFR.

[alice99]

I'm not sure if you're referencing single threads or the on-going ROFR thread. When I was in the process of purchasing or selling our resale contacts I used the On-going ROFR thread to get an idea of what may or may not pass, so it was useful info.

I agree with this statement.

I look at the ongoing ROFR thread to observe the pricing trends because I may do an add on in the Fall. I am hoping prices will reach rock-bottom at that time. I find the ongoing ROFR thread to be invaluable to me, at least for now, while I am window shopping.
I also look through re-sales, hoping for that bargain that may grab my attention.

[Brian Noble]

I think the folks who post waivers are just really jazzed, and the folks who post ROFRs are just really bummed. They aren't really thinking about providing pricing data.

There's no harm in adding an "If you feel comfortable doing so (and haven't already) please post the details of the transaction in the ROFR thread" as a reply. My guess is a lot of folks new to DVC just don't even think to do this.

[Buckeye Fan]

The main "ROFR thread," under Operations, has good info such as price per point, who paid closing costs, who paid MFs, etc. I follow that thread, and have used it for my own research (kind of like Kelly Blue Book ;) ).

To your point, single threads without the above info are really just like...
"I got my financing approved!"
"I just purchased through Dis!"

People would be like, "How much did you pay?" "What were the incentives?" "What resort did you buy?" "What were the rates for financing?" "Do you know if they check credit?"

My guess is that if you checked the ROFR thread, many people post in both places. I'm pretty sure I did. I really wanted to see and hear...

:welcome: HOME!!!

I know, go ahead and say it...totally cheesy! :lmao: Moral to the story...please post the details in the ROFR thread so that others buying after you know current market value for the points. It helps both the buyers and the sellers know what's a fair offer. :thumbsup2 Then...post a thread that says...PLEASE OH PLEASE tell me I did the right thing, and WELCOME ME HOME while you're at it!!! :woohoo:

[disneynutz]

Since when did the internet only have useful information. :happytv:

[dianeschlicht]

Since when did the internet only have useful information. :happytv:

:lmao:

[WALTSAGOD]

In before the lock.

[jade1]

In before the lock.

:lmao: :lmao: :lmao: .............OK me to.

[Anal Annie]

:scratchin "Ranting" usually indicates annoyance to me.

Do the countdown threads annoy you too??:confused3 Do you open those?

I use smiley guys in all of my posts...I know that's annoying to many.:scared: That's GOT to bug you, right?!

Sorry, but I have to agree with some of the other posters and say if these threads bug you enough for you to start a self proclaimed rant then you should avoid reading the threads altogether! :rolleyes1

[LisaS]

Disney passes on ROFRs all the time. They reject on ROFRs all the time. There's nothing statistically meaningful in simply telling us "we passed" or "we didn't pass".

Are these posts as described in the paragraph proceeding this one (joy and celebration) or are they thought to somehow be informative of what is happening at any given instant in time in the ROFR process?

If one is not going to share any quantitative information regarding the ROFR, why share anything other than, "We purchased a DVC interest today. Please join us in our joy over this."?I understand what you mean. I open those threads feeling happy that the poster has passed an important milestone on the way to getting their resale contract, but hoping that they will share the pricing details that matter to those of us who like to track current resale values. Sure, I can go dig up the ROFR thread to see if they also posted there, but it sure would be helpful if they posted the information in their "I passed ROFR" thread as well.

After seeing so many of these threads and finding people are usually willing to share the information if asked, I just assume that they are really excited that the deal is going through and just want to share that excitement with people who they know will "get it". That leaves us analytical types with the task of either asking for the details or going off in search of the ROFR thread. :surfweb:

[WolfpackFan]

This is the Mousecellaneous board and if folks want to post they passed ROFR and are excited, I don't see a thing wrong with it.

[bavaria]

I am voting that we start two new boards: :)


the happy board where only happy news can be posted, and only posters who want to celebrate with the OP can post a response
the vent board, where people can post a vent. However each thread is immediately locked after the first post, so that nobody who disagrees with the vent can post


;) I think that would make things much more clear, and those of us who accidentally stumble across one of those threads and post the 'wrong' type of reply wouldn't be making that mistake!

[wulfekamp]

I have a suggestion. LIGHTEN UP. Stop raining on other peoples happiness.