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Dr_Finkelstein
02-09-2009, 05:18 PM
I wonder how much effect this news will have on uptake rates for vaccination?

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/lif...cle5683671.ece

If it's true it's pretty shocking and unprofessional behaviour especially when you consider the impact the original article caused.

Di x

orlandothebeagle
02-09-2009, 05:22 PM
Yes, for a minute of glory?
I seen on the news last week that measles was up by a huge amount last year, not good:confused:

Dr_Finkelstein
02-09-2009, 05:37 PM
I just hope there's no big epidemics - my mum's neighbour was a nurse in the 50's-60's and told me horror stories of kids with serious complications.

But I think that it will have permanently shaken some people's confidence in vaccinations in general. :sad2:

natalielongstaff
02-10-2009, 01:28 AM
But I think that it will have permanently shaken some people's confidence in vaccinations in general. :sad2:

Thats the sad thing, it puts kids at serious risk :sad2:

wideeyes
02-10-2009, 02:51 AM
It is so important that children have protection against these illnesses not just for them however for the children who are unable to have the jabs as there only form of protection is other children being immunised. I remember hearing about a child who had a heart transplant so couldn't get immunised caught measles when the uptake dropped a few years ago and ended up seriously ill. There was also an epidemic in Ireland a while ago after the autuism links hit the news. I did a reasearch essay on measles and MMr and I am convinced there is no link.

CustardTart
02-10-2009, 03:58 AM
This makes me so angry!!! When you think of the moral panic that ensued... :furious:

I just hope there's no big epidemics - my mum's neighbour was a nurse in the 50's-60's and told me horror stories of kids with serious complications.

I am one of those kids that had measles in the 60's and nearly died as a result... :sad2: I don't remember anything about it (despite being 6 at the time) but I was prone to illness for years after... My Mum was insistent I had my children immunised and, after the horror story she told me about my measles experience, I made sure I did...

tennisfan
02-10-2009, 04:10 AM
What the doctor did was wrong. Having said that i'm struggling to believe why parents went with the information as even a few years back there wasn't enough evidence linking the 2 but people panicked as a result.

This has resulted in a rise in the measles disease & could easily see an increase in Mumps & rubella.

What the doctors are trying to get across now is there is a catch up vaccination for the children who didn't have it. I just hope parents take notice & do this.

Snowy-girls
02-10-2009, 05:17 AM
Both my girls have had the MMR+rightly so in my eyes,i don't want to get ON my soap box to start with,but i am so annoyed when parents refuse to let there children have it.
At Chloe's school last year there was a measles outbreak as such,and i even contemplated taking Chloe out of school because of this.I know she has had her jab but it does'nt mean she can't catch it.

Scaremongering at it's best.

Like Karen i badly suffered with measles+was hospitalised with it.

Claire,i agree with you,i also don't believe there is/was any link to start with.

Netty
02-10-2009, 06:41 AM
Although I do think there is a link, I would rather kids had the single vacines rather than having them altogether... but it is irresponsible for parents not to have their kids vacinated at all

Dr_Finkelstein
02-10-2009, 01:23 PM
The unfortunate thing about single vaccines is that they are not fully effective until all doses are given - thus the child is vulnerable for longer. Which is why the MMR was initially created.
There was also an article I read at work a couple of years ago (I think in the British Medical Journal) that some clinics offering single vaccines had been closed as 1/ They weren't storing the vaccines correctly and 2/ they weren't mixing the vaccines correctly so they were completely ineffective.
When my 2 were due their MMR I did a lot of reading up and I have to agree with a PP - nothing I read ever convinced me that there ever was a link.

They're discussing this on the US thread as well and I found this link which is quite good.

http://skepticblog.org/2008/12/22/skeptical-battlegrounds-part-iv-anti-vaccine-hysteria/

Hopefully this original article will get as much publicity as his bad research did - the media played a huge part in stirring up the scare stories IMO.

Edited to add - Hopefully now we'll no longer have to listen to Jenny McCarthy preach about her 'expertise' in autism and how she cured her son of it!


Di x

Lizzybear
02-10-2009, 02:50 PM
It is so important that children have protection against these illnesses not just for them however for the children who are unable to have the jabs as there only form of protection is other children being immunised. I remember hearing about a child who had a heart transplant so couldn't get immunised caught measles when the uptake dropped a few years ago and ended up seriously ill. There was also an epidemic in Ireland a while ago after the autuism links hit the news. I did a reasearch essay on measles and MMr and I am convinced there is no link.

I totally agree. I'm hesitant to get into debates about this with people as I tend to get the 'But you don't have kids' retort. I figure the information is out there and anyone can choose to do research on it, what does being a parent have to do with it? My degree is in early years and I work in this area so I try to stay up to date with current issues within it. Unless there is some very compelling evidence that proves vaccinations aren't safe then I would absolutely get my future kids vaccinated. The argument that 'it's my child and my choice' is a bit pointless since the choice to not vaccinate affects everyone. It's so typical of the way the world is.. We're so privileged in the developed world that people turn their noses up at vaccines that people in developing countries would kill for. I've also heard (though haven't looked into it) that the single vaccines aren't as rigorously tested as the combined one, therefore could be putting kids at more risk anyway.
Oops, turned into a bit of a rant there! :rolleyes: