Not really sure why this board needs brand-specific PotD threads [Archive] - The DIS Discussion Forums

Code

01-30-2009, 10:32 AM

Something that has been bugging me every time I visit this board lately...

Why do we need brand-specific PotD threads?

One of the things I like about this community is that the brand partisanship is usually kept to a minimum... it's more about the love of photography and taking great photos at Disney. It's not like you can look at any given photo and say "Oh that was definitely taken with a Canon/Fuji/Nikon/Olympus/Pentax/Sigma/Sony/etc/etc/etc". Given similar glass, gear, and class of camera, these little electronics packed boxes we love so much are all capable of the same things regardless of what is printed above the lens.

I'm not saying that brand-specific discussion threads are bad, just threads that are specifically for sharing photos from day to day. My suggestion would be to start a new "Photo Board Community PotD" thread or just continue using the Your best shot from the last time you used your camera... (http://www.disboards.com/showthread.php?t=1865773) thread. If you want to include camera info alongside every photo, go for it! But why segregate photo sharing by brand?

Your thoughts?

AndrewWG

01-30-2009, 11:15 AM

:lmao: The thing that gets me about them is that I find myself never visiting the nikon one because I am a Canon owner. Does that make any sense? I am sure there are others like me. I agree with your point due to the fact that I am probably missing out on some nicely taken Nikon shots (but hey we all know that the Canon photos are better :snooty: ) Just kidding!

oogieboogieman

01-30-2009, 11:28 AM

Funny thing is I never looked at any Canon and Nikon threads until this morning and that was by mistake. I clicked onto the Nikon thread, BTW I liked the colors and tones in Jeff's photo. I like the idea of just one POTD thread. Too much equipment bashing over at DPREVIEW!

MICKEY88

01-30-2009, 11:38 AM

:lmao: I agree with your point due to the fact that I am probably missing out on some nicely taken Nikon shots (but hey we all know that the Canon photos are better :snooty: ) Just kidding!

true canon is better, but Sony is best....:lmao::lmao:

seriously though, I think the brand specific posts are a good thing, I believe they help keep brand wars to a minimum, if someone is thinking about buying a specific brand they can go to that thread to see examples of photos taken with it, and ask owners what they think of that brand, without getting bombarded by owners of other brands..

anyone can view the pics regardless of the brand camera you use, just as I view the contests whether or not I choose to enter..

I just view those threads as any other on the boards, if it's a topic I'm not interested in I move on to the next thread.

there are some threads on here that get deep into the technical workings of digital cameras, I rarely read them, after 30+ years I usually know how to get the shot I want, I don't need to know how my sensor captures that image, just that it will when I apply the proper settings, but it doesn't bother me that those threads exist...:confused3

webshark3

01-30-2009, 02:22 PM

It doesn't bother me, but you get a lot of people who just need assuaunce that their pictures are like everyone else's who bought the same camera (or hopefully better). It's like little clubs.

Soon, I'll start a Sigma thread and dominate it! :)

ukcatfan

01-30-2009, 04:02 PM

I don't like it b/c I use Pentax, Nikon, and Canon. What am I supposed to do, take all shots with all three cameras!!!!! ;)

wenrob

01-30-2009, 06:57 PM

Steve's Girl

01-30-2009, 07:46 PM

I don't really mind one way or the other. Sometimes I think it is nice to have a brand specific thread to discuss specific in-camera settings, adjustments, a particular lens, etc. I don't see it as elevating one brand over the other just those who have similar equipment sharing tips, helping newbies learn their particular camera, understanding what in-camera settings can be used to achieve a certain look, etc. So, I think there is a place for brand specific discussions. I do enjoy seeing photos from others that have the same camera as me and learning from what they did well.

TiffanyK

01-30-2009, 08:19 PM

I look at all of them pretty regularly. It's half a dozen one way or the other to me.:) I come here to learn and admire everyone's work.

A weird thing though, I go to a blog called Pioneer Woman, she shoots w/a Nikon but then picked up a Canon. She posted pics from both and asked if we could tell the difference. Swear on my kids I picked the Nikon shots from the Canon shots every time. Not that I think one is better then the other (really, I don't) they're just different in a subtle way.

I agree. I look at all the threads to enjoy the pictures and learn.

I love Pioneer Woman, but I missed the Nikon vs Cannon pictures. I did see where she gave her camera away, but I never caught what she is using now.

YesDear

01-30-2009, 09:09 PM

I am not sure I know how to respond to this thread. Do I trash Canon users? Sure all the time! I realize they have made a horrible mistake in their photography choices and I try as I can to help them see the way. And those other brands!!! They just do not get it!

Now if a little sarcasm upsets you I am sorry. I see no reason why a canon thread or a Nikon thread would make any difference to anyone. I love the photography of Mark Barbiari and Jeff Filmore as well as many others on this board. Yes there are people here that have little experience and those that have decades. I like the fact that I can post a picture to people that have the same equipment I have and can get input as to how to work it better. There are differences between brands and it is not brand mongering to identify them and discuss them. I look at all the threads to see what others are doing.

I have seen other photography boards get nasty in brand trashing and that has not happened here. As long as we are adult in our approach to our answers it should remain that way.

BobQuincey is a Canon user. I am a Nikon user. We live in the same area and actually are seen in public together and eat lunch! Who da thunk!

KAT4DISNEY

01-30-2009, 09:32 PM

I actually am now enjoying the photo boards less b/c of the individual threads. I really like seeing everyone's photos and still look at the best shot thread but haven't at the Nikon and Canon threads. Why? I guess I don't care to look at something I'm not "allowed" to post on. I preferred to look at the exif data (hoping they weren't smugmug users! ;) ) if there were photos that really caught my eye - or at the posters signature line to see what equipment they use.

I never had those thoughts about the individual brand discussion threads which I think can be very helpful but everyone can still participate - even if they don't own the brand. That isn't possible on the photo threads. Maybe if I started using the Nikon that is in the house I'd feel differently.

I just think there are enough other forums that segregate and enjoyed that this one didn't. It is nice though that there is little to no serious bashing of brands.

Maybe I'm just feeling a little shunned and left out. I guess that feeling will be staying b/c I'm not trading my Sony. :sad2:

spinetnglr

01-30-2009, 09:47 PM

I enjoy looking at all the camera specific threads just as I enjoy looking at the thread for the Photopass photographer POTD thread or the best shot from the last time you used your camera thread. I dont see it as a shun to anyone just to have the camera specific threads bc there are enough other threads to post in no matter what camera you use or like. I regularly look at the new posts in the Canon thread and post in the Nikon thread. I am in awe of many of the photographers here and look at their pictures in hopes of learning something from them as opposed to thinking about what camera it was shot with. The camera specific threads dont bother me at all .. I enjoy them all equally :goodvibes

MICKEY88

01-31-2009, 01:37 AM

I guess that feeling will be staying b/c I'm not trading my Sony. :sad2::grouphug: :grouphug: :grouphug:

deletedpenguin

01-31-2009, 03:49 AM

I agree, photography is photography.

I do visit the Canon one though. I'm a Canon user. Nothing against the Nikon guys/girls, through. I would feel like I'm cheating on the camera.

annnewjerz

01-31-2009, 07:00 AM

I kind of like them as well. I visit the Canon thread on a daily basis to see what kind of photos people have taken and contribute to the Nikon thread when I have the chance.

I agree with Steve'sGirl that I like to see shots taken with specific Nikon lenses and equipment to see what kind of images they produce and get feedback in case one day I'm interested in that particular lens.

There have been Canon shooters that have posted on the Nikon thread (like Jann) and vice versa offering input on how to improve things like technique, offering compliments on photos, etc.

I wouldn't care one way or the other if anyone decided they should be stopped, but I do think it's nice as a brand specific user to have one place to click to find a selection of their camera brand's photos.

Michele

01-31-2009, 08:14 AM

if someone is thinking about buying a specific brand they can go to that thread to see examples of photos taken with it, and ask owners what they think of that brand

:thumbsup2

At first I didn't like it, but if you look at it this way, it is very helpful to alot of people who come here with questions when they are thinking about buying.

Code

01-31-2009, 08:32 AM

Just wanted to point out that I was talking about PotD threads specifically, not about ALL brand specific threads. I still maintain that if you didn't know what my camera was, I could strip the EXIF and start posting on the Nikon or Canon thread and nobody would know the difference.

Also, think of it this way... Say I decided to start a Sony PotD thread, then someone made a Pentax thread, then someone else an Olympus thread... there would then be five different brand-specific PotD threads to look at every day.

jann1033

01-31-2009, 09:17 AM

I don't like it b/c I use Pentax, Nikon, and Canon. What am I supposed to do, take all shots with all three cameras!!!!! ;)

yes of course but the best will be the canon ones ;) :rotfl2:
i post on the canon one and have gone to the nikon one a couple times but kind of agree with the op, i'd rather see a mix of photos and feel like i am sneaking over to the "dark side" if i view any but canon but i do it anyway sometimes.
in all honesty i don't think the brand you buy is going to impact your photos all that much(by that i mean less than the particular lens or body you buy in whatever brand you choose) and would rather see everyone's style so i can blatantly copy the ones i really like without having to go to multiple threads
that plus the fact that with the canon tread, the post your best photo thread and any other photo posting threads that come along how many decent photos do i have to take to post to all of them? it gets time consuming to keep up unless i just post the same one over and over again
;)

Chikabowa

01-31-2009, 10:20 AM

I like when everyone shares in one place. It's so not about the camera, it's about the photographer. :)
I think a better rule of thumb is to label your pictures with the exif data so that when you do share a shot, all the information necessary is right there for the viewer to read. It's much more helpful.

Having separate camera threads makes sense if you are talking technical aspects that are specific to camera brand; although even then there are limitations as I could probably give as detailed of an explanation of a Canon even as a Nikon shooter. :)

KAT4DISNEY

01-31-2009, 01:00 PM

Just wanted to point out that I was talking about PotD threads specifically, not about ALL brand specific threads. I still maintain that if you didn't know what my camera was, I could strip the EXIF and start posting on the Nikon or Canon thread and nobody would know the difference.

Just to be clear - this is also what I was referring to. I find that I can probably better identify the photographer than the brand from pictures posted.

Thus POTD/Last best picture without brand specific is my preference. I'm not seeing pictures from many of the posters now that used to go on a single POTD and that's a bummer.

:grouphug: :grouphug: :grouphug:

:grouphug:

handicap18

01-31-2009, 01:05 PM

I can see both sides of the arguement (ok I'm standing on top of the fence!!!) I've visited the Canon thread, as well as the S# IS thread and the Nikon thread.

There are a few different PotD threads here on Dis.....

Should we "dump" the Canon and Nikon threads and instead start a Photo Board Picture of the Day thread. Where everyone posts 1 picture each day that does not have to be Disney Specific (There are plenty of those threads in other parts of the boards)?

I mean after all, this is the Photography Board, we probably should have our own PotD thread.

I love seeing everyone's pictures. I really don't personally care what camera you use. So long as you like it and it takes pictures. Thats all that matters.

DVC Jen

01-31-2009, 01:15 PM

There are so many things in this world that bother me - but this is not one of them.

Sure I joke about Canon being the best - but I know for a fact that it is not the camera but the person behind the camera that makes a good photo.

We all have our pet peeves and I am not picking on anyone - but to me this is small stuff and I don't sweat the small stuff.

mabas9395

01-31-2009, 01:32 PM

You mean we are allowed to visit threads with photos taken by a camera that is not the same brand as our own???

Well now you guys tell me!

handicap18

01-31-2009, 01:48 PM

You mean we are allowed to visit threads with photos taken by a camera that is not the same brand as our own???

Well now you guys tell me!

Did you pass the test yet?

KCmike

01-31-2009, 01:49 PM

I am a newbie to the Canon dSLR stuff. I just got a deal over Christmas that was to good to pass up. So I started the Canon thread hoping to get better ideas on how to begin and take better shots. I have an XTI. I found out about http://photography-on-the.net/ and will go to there for help as well.

I've always had point and shoots before. A Nikon coolpix and a Sony cybershot. My Sony is an amazing camera and I hope to get fluent with the SLR as I am hoping for a summer vacation to Disneyland with the family. A generic board or broken into brands board I don't care I'm just happy shooting.

jann1033

01-31-2009, 02:35 PM

MICKEY88

01-31-2009, 03:09 PM

first, I'm crushed.. several people mentioned visiting the nikon and canon threads...why not the sony thread... are we outcasts....

second, I'm opposed to eliminating any brand specific threads, anyone is free to read or ignore those threads,,,

eliminating them is like censoring what other people choose to post on here , if we start there, where does it end,,

do we then eliminate subject specific threads... no more..cat threats, dog threads... family threads...??

DVC Jen

01-31-2009, 03:41 PM

first, I'm crushed.. several people mentioned visiting the nikon and canon threads...why not the sony thread... are we outcasts....

Yes

:lmao: :rotfl2: :rotfl:

Just kidding! C'mere you .... :hug:

MICKEY88

01-31-2009, 03:45 PM

Yes

:lmao: :rotfl2: :rotfl:

Just kidding! C'mere you .... :hug:

hmmm it's tough at the top, everyone is always out to get us.....:cool1: :cool1:

handicap18

01-31-2009, 03:58 PM

first, I'm crushed.. several people mentioned visiting the nikon and canon threads...why not the sony thread... are we outcasts....

There's a Sony thread?

Cool. Both our HDTV's are Sony's!!!

Pea-n-Me

01-31-2009, 04:03 PM

Just an observation :teeth: but it seems to me the people feeling least "left out" are those who shoot with Canon and Nikon.

Those of us who aren't members of those "clubs" naturally feel a bit shunned.

But then again, as one of the few Olympus users here, I often feel that way. (We were joking on the Oly thread that maybe we could start a picture of the month thread. :lmao: )

I would never be in favor of closing any threads, but I would love to see a general Photog Board POTD thread for all of us here who love photography and couldn't care less what anyone shoots with.

I kind of think of us here as all having kind of a kinship in our mutual love of the art and science of photography, and Disney photography in particular. Maybe we should call a new thread the Team Disney Photography Board POTD thread, as really, that's what we are.

What sealed it for me was last night when I was showing a new friend at work - whose mother happens to be a professional photographer - some pictures of Disney on some of the "other" Disney related sites, and the pictures really were just ok. So I showed him some of the pictures here, and he was pretty Wowed (as was I, as usual). I think we should give ourselves more credit for all of the great work we see here! :thumbsup2

It looks like nobody has started one yet. I'll go ahead if people like the name and concept unless someone else would like to. Let me know. Other names, of course, are welcome. (List ideas.) That way people can post wherever they like, but at least there's a choice.

handicap18

01-31-2009, 04:36 PM

^^^^^^

:thumbsup2

JimbobJimbo

01-31-2009, 07:59 PM

Also, think of it this way... Say I decided to start a Sony PotD thread, then someone made a Pentax thread, then someone else an Olympus thread... there would then be five different brand-specific PotD threads to look at every day.

And more photos to look at everyday would be a problem why??:confused3 Personaly I don't see a problem with brand specific PotD threads. And there is a Sony thread already, not a specificaly titled a PotD thread, but a Sony brand specific thread nonetheless.

MICKEY88

01-31-2009, 09:24 PM

OK,, I think I'll start a MICK-A-MATIC MICKEY MOUSE CAMERA http://images42.fotki.com/v1435/photos/8/86568/336006/mickeycamera25-vi.jpgphoto of the day thread,

I look forward to seeing who requests that be closed..:cool1:

JoeDif

02-01-2009, 09:12 AM

I kind of think of us here as all having kind of a kinship in our mutual love of the art and science of photography, and Disney photography in particular. Maybe we should call a new thread the Team Disney Photography Board POTD thread, as really, that's what we are.

It looks like nobody has started one yet. I'll go ahead if people like the name and concept unless someone else would like to. Let me know. Other names, of course, are welcome. (List ideas.) That way people can post wherever they like, but at least there's a choice.

Works for me :thumbsup2 I like the name also!!

Pea-n-Me

02-01-2009, 09:17 AM

I wasn't sure if the Team Disney name would be too sappy, so I left it kind of generic to start. I can always change it. May be time for a poll.

spinetnglr

02-01-2009, 09:32 AM

I just enjoy looking at everyone's photos and creativity on here ( and I think this board has a superbly wide range of wonderfully creative people). It doesnt matter to me where they are posted I read and view pretty much all of the threads. I have posted some of my pictures both in the Nikon thread and the Last time you used your camera thread for those who dont visit the Nikon thread. I do however like the idea of an All for one and One for all POTD and posting the exif data with the picture if the poster wishes to do that. :flower3:

Groucho

02-02-2009, 10:45 PM

I agree with Code... I've never understood the value of a thread just for photos from a particular brand. OK, I can see someone asked for some example photos from a particular lens or whatever - but a whole thread for anything from one particular manufacturer? And if they are DSLRs, how many of those are taken with third-party lenses? And how about that Sony makes most (maybe even all, though Nikon denies it) the sensors for Nikon and all the Pentax sensors except for the K20D's? Heck, through a Tamron 28-75mm on a Sony A100, Nikon D80, or Pentax K10D, shoot raw, and you should get pretty much exactly the same thing as they're all the same sensor!

But really, as I said, I agree with Code - the lack of serious brand wars is a definite plus around here, and the very concept of a photo thread to "show off" photos from only one brand is IMHO inescapably feeding into the brand war mentality.

And yes, the fact that, as far as I know, there's never been a Pentax version of the brand threads has nothing to do with my opinion. :) Seriously, if someone did start one, I would not participate despite my great love for my Pentax gear, because of my feeling above.

The idea of a non-Disney PotD thread for the photo board (as opposed to the community board, which is fine but there's about 500 PotD threads) is certainly an interesting one.

MICKEY88

02-03-2009, 07:34 AM

Heck, through a Tamron 28-75mm on a Sony A100, Nikon D80, or Pentax K10D, shoot raw, and you should get pretty much exactly the same thing as they're all the same sensor!

.

sadly that is not true, although the sensors are the same the processors are not, unfortunately it's a common fact that nikon , although they use sony sensors, gets better high iso results than some of the sony's get