Disney Vacation Club adjusts 2010 Vacation Points charts

[WebmasterDoc]

We had a somewhat similar experience back in 1996.

We had already purchased at OKW in 1993 and were vacationing at HH in March, 1995. We were already aware of the addition of HH as the 3rd DVC resort and we visited the sales office located near the location of the present resort. We decided to add on at that time and the purchase price then was $61.50 per point. We toured the construction - everything was a hard-hat area and we could not actually go onto the site. They were pouring concrete for the Beach House and were able to view the construction on Longview Island (the small island the resort sits on) from the west side of the inlet near what is now the Ocean Grille. In the sales brochure was a section about a private island to be DVC owned for the use of HH resort guests for shelling, nature walks, picnics and other recreational activities. While it did not really play a role in our decision to puchase, it was a nice feature and certainly added value to the resort.

We never received any further communication about the resort until shortly before our closing was to take place in the spring of 1996 (a year after signing all documents and paying the deposit). We had a June Use Year and even though the resort opened in March, 1996 we would get no points until June, 1996. Just before our closing date we received new documents to sign and found that our purchase price had been reduced to $57.50 per point since "some of the offered features" would not be available. The only "feature" we could find missing was the private island.

Unlike Dean's experience, in this situation, DVC was proactive about modifying the sales for those who purchased pre-construction and were promised something in writing that would later not come to fruition. We gladly accepted the changes, signed the new documents and added on more points.

[LenaN4fun]

I also noticed the conversion in points from 2009 to 2010. I remember when I purchased into DVC, my sales rep stating the points were locked in at each resort, that the only thing that changes is how much you pay per point. Such as I would pay more per point today then I did back in 2002. I am very confused on how the points can be manipulated at all? Can someone tell me, did I misunderstand or is DVC pulling the ole switcheroo later in the game?

[yitbos96bb]

I also noticed the conversion in points from 2009 to 2010. I remember when I purchased into DVC, my sales rep stating the points were locked in at each resort, that the only thing that changes is how much you pay per point. Such as I would pay more per point today then I did back in 2002. I am very confused on how the points can be manipulated at all? Can someone tell me, did I misunderstand or is DVC pulling the ole switcheroo later in the game?

Without a tape recording or time machine who knows if the guide was less than truthful or you misunderstood. It is in the contracts though that Disney can do this and legally that is all that matters

[Chuck S]

I also noticed the conversion in points from 2009 to 2010. I remember when I purchased into DVC, my sales rep stating the points were locked in at each resort, that the only thing that changes is how much you pay per point. Such as I would pay more per point today then I did back in 2002. I am very confused on how the points can be manipulated at all? Can someone tell me, did I misunderstand or is DVC pulling the ole switcheroo later in the game?

The points are locked in at each resort, the TOTAL number of points to reserve every room at the resort for the entire year can not change. But they can be re-arranged within the chart, as we've seen in 2010. There should be a maximum possible re-allocation listed for your resort in your paper work. This maximum re-allocation gives you the number of points (or in the case of the original paperwork for OKW the maximum number of consecutive nights you can reserve with a specific number of points for each room type) if DVC eliminates all booking seasons and makes weekends equal in points to weekdays.

As the previous poster said, we have no idea if your guide misled you, or if you misunderstood the message s/he was trying to convey. It can be a daunting task to try to understand all the implications and subtleties of ownership during a 2 or 3 hour tour.

[chalee94]

my sales rep stating the points were locked in at each resort

they are locked in at each resort. the total pts for each resort for each year is constant when you consider each room for 365 days.
but that doesn't mean that a studio will always be 12 pts for a given weeknight in december...

[famsen]

So if the total numbers of points are locked in for each resort, does that mean for example; if points go up for a Saturday night stay in December, then the points would have to go down by the same number for some other room type for day of the week or time of year, correct?

Let me just state that I was one of those members that specifically asked a guide at DWTD in Chicago if point charts can go up. I had my friend with me who was interested in buying and this was one of her very important sticking points for the deal. We were both told absolutely that the points can never go up. I understand now the I may not have asked the question in a way to get a thorough answer but the answer we received also wasn't explained to the fullest extent by the guide. My understanding now if that the total points for the resort can't go up but if we like to stay during certain times of the year, we could either pay more or less at that time but maybe be paying more or less if we were to stay at a different time of year. I hope I have this correct now.

[Dean]

So if the total numbers of points are locked in for each resort, does that mean for example; if points go up for a Saturday night stay in December, then the points would have to go down by the same number for some other room type for day of the week or time of year, correct?

Let me just state that I was one of those members that specifically asked a guide at DWTD in Chicago if point charts can go up. I had my friend with me who was interested in buying and this was one of her very important sticking points for the deal. We were both told absolutely that the points can never go up. I understand now the I may not have asked the question in a way to get a thorough answer but the answer we received also wasn't explained to the fullest extent by the guide. My understanding now if that the total points for the resort can't go up but if we like to stay during certain times of the year, we could either pay more or less at that time but maybe be paying more or less if we were to stay at a different time of year. I hope I have this correct now.Not necessarily. They could go up for weekends and down for weekdays the same time of year or unit size or they could go up for one time of year and down for another. While it's worded somewhat differently, the main requirement is that the totals have to end up the same for the year. Realize the the entire unit for lockoff's are what are controlled, not the underlying smaller components, and that a given change can't be more than 20%. Also, the points are based on a fixed year (base year), not any given year, I suspect they are all based on 1992. Some would say if it's off by 1 point, this is not the same. I would personally disagree with that line of thinking in this setting. Realistically if you go for an entire week it's unlikely you'll see much change overall.

[Chuck S]

So if the total numbers of points are locked in for each resort, does that mean for example; if points go up for a Saturday night stay in December, then the points would have to go down by the same number for some other room type for day of the week or time of year, correct?

Let me just state that I was one of those members that specifically asked a guide at DWTD in Chicago if point charts can go up. I had my friend with me who was interested in buying and this was one of her very important sticking points for the deal. We were both told absolutely that the points can never go up. I understand now the I may not have asked the question in a way to get a thorough answer but the answer we received also wasn't explained to the fullest extent by the guide. My understanding now if that the total points for the resort can't go up but if we like to stay during certain times of the year, we could either pay more or less at that time but maybe be paying more or less if we were to stay at a different time of year. I hope I have this correct now.

Also take into account it is the total number of points, and there are 5 weekday, and 2 weekend nights, so basically, weekend nights could go down by 5 points each, for a total of 10, and weekday nights could go up 2 points each, for a total of 10. Then consider that there are a different number of nights in each "season" so if there is one season 5 weeks long, and another season one week long, weekdays in the long season could drop 2 points each for a total of 50 points, and the short season could go up 25 points for each weekend night for a total of 50 points. But, there is a bit of a limit...no one night may change by more than 20% from the previous year. It is also dependent upon the total number of rooms in each size at the resort. For instance, if there are 3x as many 2 bedroom units as there are GVs at a given resort, then 2 bedroom units could drop 2 points a night, and GVs could increase 6 points per night.

So there is any number of ways the points can be re-allocated without the actual resort total changing.

[DisneyDancin7]

i'm a non-DVC member...I can't seem to find this information/link on the DVC website...is it only viewable to members? because i would like to know how many points each room "costs"

[vandy]

i'm a non-DVC member...I can't seem to find this information/link on the DVC website...is it only viewable to members? because i would like to know how many points each room "costs"

You can view the point charts on this boards site, DisBoards under the resorts link at the top of this page, or this link:

http://www.wdwinfo.com/disney-vacation-club/DVCpoints.shtml

You can also view them at this board's sponsor, The Timeshare Store. Click on their banner at the top of this page, then find the tab that says DVC Point Charts.

[caewe]

I can only speak for our family.Disney`s main intention always is to keep you on site longer and spend more all around dollars.For us,we use our points much more in exchanges,we travel more to other parts of the country,PAY MUCH LESS IN POINTS and to be honest,so far have stayed in much nicer and bigger places than at WDW.So we aren`t spending our money on site as the wish.

[Dean]

I can only speak for our family.Disney`s main intention always is to keep you on site longer and spend more all around dollars.For us,we use our points much more in exchanges,we travel more to other parts of the country,PAY MUCH LESS IN POINTS and to be honest,so far have stayed in much nicer and bigger places than at WDW.So we aren`t spending our money on site as the wish.Still, someone will likely be in that unit and spend money, likely more money than you or I would for that time. Thus you're not hurting them when you don't go, if anything, you're adding to Disney's profit.