I'm really mad... Disney is going to lose my business!!!

[TigrLvsPooh]

Our family has taken 50+ trips to WDW over the last 10 years... we are loyal annual passholders... and I just have to say that I am sooooo mad right now over this weekend room rate situation!!! :mad: :mad: :mad: No discount at all for AP on friday or saturday nights. What is up with that??? Rack rate??? Are they joking??? :sad2: :sad2: :sad2:

If I didn't already have the airfare booked and our villa booked I would cancel the whole trip. Please tell me that someone else out there thinks this is a load of @$#&!!! If this is how Disney is going to work their discounts from now on then there is no way I'll renew our APs. Why should I cough up $1800 to renew if this is what the future holds?? It's like a slap in the face. It's fine if they don't want to give APholder discounts on rooms, that is their right, but it doesn't mean I have to agree with it... and it sure doesn't mean I have to renew or even keep going to WDW.

Looks like the Murphys might have to find a new vacation spot! :sad1:

[Mich Mouse]

I am so disappointed as well! This has never happened before to us...AP rates have always been available.:confused3

[wdwmaw]

I have not traveled as much as you but I feel the same way. This hit us hard several years ago when we traveled over the holiday. The day to day pricing was enough but for some reason AP discount could not be tacked onto a couple of our days at the end of our trip. Disney has priced christmas out of our budget.

We have also found the availability at many resorts is non existant or they only want to offer the most expensive room to AP holders.

We were hooked on Disney with our AP's but have found over the past several years the one long trip with pkg. discounts ( esp. free dining ) is a much better way to go.

I know the AP is not for room discount, but it was for me.We are booked for free dining this Oct. and we did not renew our AP's. We will continue to go to Disney for now, as there is no other place we would like to travel. This is my opinion and I am ready for the flames as to the purpose of the AP !!

I personally think that there should be discounts and then there should be AP holders discounts and the AP holders should receive by far first choice, the bigest discount, and/or the most choice. If anyone consumer at Disney should be treated special, it should be AP holders.

[wdwmaw]

I just wanted to add that I do suppport the 40% for military, they deserve the best discounts. Thank you for serving:worship: and I wish the families could go for free.

[CAJUNWDWFAN]

I'm an AP holder and I purchased the 4/3 deal for my upcoming trip. It's better than the AP discount. And not to step on anyone's toes but the AP is meant for park admission. If you bought the AP for room discounts, you bought it for the wrong reason. The room discounts are only a perk of the AP.

[collcass]

I just wanted to add that I do suppport the 40% for military, they deserve the best discounts. Thank you for serving:worship: and I wish the families could go for free.
It would be great if it was more than just another marketing ploy. After all, TWDC is a for profit business which is what I remember when I get irked by their absolutely ridiculous rates, there "promotions" that extend to certain people only ,etc.

First, we knew we'd love WDW so we bought our AP on our 1st family trip down there last year. Although the rates we received last 4th of July were great and did save us money, we really were hoping for good rates this year to make it worth while. Obviously, that won't be the case.

I am sure I am going to get flamed by this if it is taken wrong: Please understand I support the military 100% and I am not saying military personnel don't deserve to be thanked

my husband was in the Army (82nd Airbourne) for 5 1/2 yrs + 4 reserves. He fought in Desert Storm. He served his country. Apparently, TWDC doesn't consider veterans on the same level as an active member of the military. It is extremely irritating because he served just like anyone else. They all served their country and should be recognized for such - not just current active personnel.


Again, it isn't that I don't support the military. My annoyance is more toward TWDC marketing dept who are strictly attempting to boost attendence and using this discount as bait. Of course, that is their job and they do it well

[RFrank9504]

It kinda stinks, but then we get the florida resident discount so that makes up for it. Just be happy to be going-I see lotsa people canceling trips on here....

[dburg30]

I'm an AP holder and I purchased the 4/3 deal for my upcoming trip. It's better than the AP discount. And not to step on anyone's toes but the AP is meant for park admission. If you bought the AP for room discounts, you bought it for the wrong reason. The room discounts are only a perk of the AP.

Yep, I bought the AP's because it made sense for my park admission, since I knew I was going to be there more then the 'breakeven' part. It was nice to be able to buy the DDE and I did get an AP rate for my mid nov stay, but that was just gravy ;)

[PrincessV]

As a FL resident living 2 hours away from WDW, I've used AP and FL resident discounts for weekend stays extensively, so I'm not at all happy with this trend. :mad:

That said, AP discounts weren't always the best rates to be had and this appears to be the case once again - be sure to check Expedia, Travelocity, Hotels.com. In the past 6 months, I've found better rates there for WDW resorts than either an AP or FL discount could get me, especially for Sat. nights.

[TigrLvsPooh]

I didn't buy an AP for room discounts... but when they released the discount this morning I sure didn't expect it to be Sun-Thurs only. We check-in to OKW on Sunday, so I am in a situation where I have to have a room friday and saturday, and I have to stay on property because I need to take ME, so I am forced to pay rack rate. It sucks. And I'm mad. I don't like being forced into doing something I don't want to do.

People with no AP, who are doing the 4/3 deal are getting a much better price than I am and I've been to WDW 4 times in the last year. That makes no sense. I'm already stuck with 1-day tickets from last October I was forced to buy so I could do the Bounceback offer. It's just a lot of nonsense.

[Mary2e]

I have to agree with the OP. We've gone nearly as much, and just last year, the AP rate for value season at the cabins was only $159 per night - we jumped on it.

This year, M-F is $214 per night during regular season, and the weekend is at a ridiculous $370 per night.

Not having the discount available on Fri & Sat nights does not make it a good deal for us, and the 4/3 is better - even without the $200 gift card.

I'm disappointed that in this lousy economy, with most hotels dropping rates like crazy and still not filling up rooms, Disney would not give their AP holders a better deal than what's available to the general public.

[StrwLady]

It seems like Disney does this from time to time. That general public offers are better than Annual Pass offers.

Because of buying a car last April we have had to cut out Disney trips so this is the first time in quite awhile we will be going to Disney without an annual pass. Discount wise with the 4/3 deal we come out better this year. I calculated the trip with the new AP rate at the Pop with 1 adult AP and 2 8 day park hoppers and it comes out to approximately $1787. My 4/3 package comes out $1428 and I get the $200 gift card too. Even if the AP rate included the weekends the 4/3 deal would still be better.

***Side note*** When making this post, I couldn't remember off the top of my head what my 4/3 package cost, so I went to the website to reprice it. Last week, checking prices for friends, I could still find availablity at all 3 values and the moderates for my dates. Today the lowest offer that came up was the Saratoga Springs. I wonder how many AP holders booked the 4/3 deal this week seeing the AP rates are lousy.

[Mich Mouse]

Can anyone tell me if the 40% pin code excluded weekends as well?

I did receive one but didn't call to inquire as our dates for late March were excluded.

Are no weekends the new thing with all codes/offers?

[Mich Mouse]

my husband was in the Army (82nd Airbourne) for 5 1/2 yrs + 4 reserves. He fought in Desert Storm. He served his country. Apparently, TWDC doesn't consider veterans on the same level as an active member of the military. It is extremely irritating because he served just like anyone else. They all served their country and should be recognized for such - not just current active personnel.


Again, it isn't that I don't support the military. My annoyance is more toward TWDC marketing dept who are strictly attempting to boost attendence and using this discount as bait. Of course, that is their job and they do it well


I completely agree....and can't believe the discounts do not apply to veterans. I always thought they did!

[FSUSammy]

Can anyone tell me if the 40% pin code excluded weekends as well?

I did receive one but didn't call to inquire as our dates for late March were excluded.

Are no weekends the new thing with all codes/offers?

No it did not exclude weekends.

[maverick61]

I am sure many won't like my response but it is supply and demand - plain and simple

Sometimes the promo's benefit you, sometimes they don't. I am sure everyone wants a better deal but it doesn't always work that way. no sense complaining and whining about it. Shoot, look how many times I have been to WDW in my sig and I have NEVER rec'd one PIN code - Not ONE.

[PrincessV]

Can anyone tell me if the 40% pin code excluded weekends as well?

I did receive one but didn't call to inquire as our dates for late March were excluded.

Are no weekends the new thing with all codes/offers?

Yes and no - mine showed some dates when weekends are excluded. Others require minimum lengths of stay if arriving on a Sat.

[PrincessV]

I am sure many won't like my response but it is supply and demand - plain and simple

Sometimes the promo's benefit you, sometimes they don't. I am sure everyone wants a better deal but it doesn't always work that way. no sense complaining and whining about it

Well, here's the thing from a Floridian perspective...

We saw WDW through the last recession. We received many good incentives to visit WDW and become regulars and they've continued to incent us over the ensuing years. There are many, many of us who regularly stop over for a night or two at WDW, spending money on food and merchandise each visit. By alienating that segment of the population during a time of massively decreased tourism, WDW could be shooting itself in the foot.

Or. The money they're spending marketing to other areas is paying back a larger return than courting AP holders did in the past. We'll see - if AP rates suddenly become more plentiful and desirable, we'll know that the alternative marketing isn't working.

[edwardsfire]

I am sure many won't like my response but it is supply and demand - plain and simple

Sometimes the promo's benefit you, sometimes they don't. I am sure everyone wants a better deal but it doesn't always work that way. no sense complaining and whining about it. Shoot, look how many times I have been to WDW in my sig and I have NEVER rec'd one PIN code - Not ONE.
Agreed.
:thumbsup2
Disney is a great value, We love it and find no reason to complain.

[kgle]

It would be great if it was more than just another marketing ploy. After all, TWDC is a for profit business which is what I remember when I get irked by their absolutely ridiculous rates, there "promotions" that extend to certain people only ,etc.

First, we knew we'd love WDW so we bought our AP on our 1st family trip down there last year. Although the rates we received last 4th of July were great and did save us money, we really were hoping for good rates this year to make it worth while. Obviously, that won't be the case.

I am sure I am going to get flamed by this if it is taken wrong: Please understand I support the military 100% and I am not saying military personnel don't deserve to be thanked

my husband was in the Army (82nd Airbourne) for 5 1/2 yrs + 4 reserves. He fought in Desert Storm. He served his country. Apparently, TWDC doesn't consider veterans on the same level as an active member of the military. It is extremely irritating because he served just like anyone else. They all served their country and should be recognized for such - not just current active personnel.


Again, it isn't that I don't support the military. My annoyance is more toward TWDC marketing dept who are strictly attempting to boost attendence and using this discount as bait. Of course, that is their job and they do it well

It says the discount applies to retired military as well...is that not the same thing as a vet?

[TinkerBelle_325]

While I can understand your frustration, you aren't ENTITLED to any discount Annual Passholder or not. Disney very clearly stipulates that they reserve the right to not offer discounts. If they feel that they can fill their hotels on weekends then they have no reason to offer a discount.

Being a passholder entitles you to entry for 365 consecutive days and to some merchandise and food discounts (but even those are limited). It plainly states that passholder rates are a perk which may or may not be offered AND if they are offered that blackout dates may apply.

[lilstint]

Furthermore....does anyone else feel fearful when all the recorded questions start before you can even talk to a CM...

Have you been here since 1996?

Have you been more than 5 times in your lifetime?

What's with that?? I always feel that answering those questions honestly will surely bump me to the back of the phone line at the very least. Why do they need to know that? Am I being paranoid about this?

[TigrLvsPooh]

Agreed.
:thumbsup2
Disney is a great value, We love it and find no reason to complain.

Oh I'm complaining... and I'm not going to stop! ;) So there!!! :laughing:

[collcass]

It says the discount applies to retired military as well...is that not the same thing as a vet?No - retired is someone who served 20+ yrs - or was career military. They are considered retired veterans. A veteran is someone who served less than 20.

In my husbands case he served 5 1/2 yrs plus the 4 reserve (think it was called inactive reserve or something like that where they can call you back up) Anyhow, he most likely would have gone career but injured his back during Desert Storm and could no longer "technically" jump out of airplanes. Apparently he was an adrenaline junkie since he is now a career firefighter- certainly won't ever hold my breath for TWDC to give them any kind of discount:rotfl: :rotfl:

[TigrLvsPooh]

Just thought I'd share some of the quotes I got today.... just in case anyone was wondering... these are for March 18th with AP code......

4 nights AKL savannah = $1662.76
4 nights AKL standard = $1325.26
4 nights POFQ = $900.00
4 nights POR = $717.00
4 nights Pop = $526.50
4 nights AsMu = $461.04

These all include tax.

Good luck to anyone looking for deals! :)

[micheleq]

No - retired is someone who served 20+ yrs - or was career military. They are considered retired veterans. A veteran is someone who served less than 20.

In my husbands case he served 5 1/2 yrs plus the 4 reserve (think it was called inactive reserve or something like that where they can call you back up) Anyhow, he most likely would have gone career but injured his back during Desert Storm and could no longer "technically" jump out of airplanes. Apparently he was an adrenaline junkie since he is now a career firefighter- certainly won't ever hold my breath for TWDC to give them any kind of discount:rotfl: :rotfl:

Bravo to your DH!

Shades of Green does run specials for combat veterans certain times of the year. I read about them here on the DIS. :)

January and September for this year, I believe. We just went in December and I told my dad (a Vietnam Vet) about the discount, his response was "Why aren't we going in January then?" :rotfl: Too bad I found out about the discounted rooms after we booked airfare.

[LVSWL]

My question is simple...Why does it say the AP rates are good through the 4th, if the 3rd and the 4th are weekend days and the rates are NOT good on the weekend!!!!! That just ticks me off! Yeah, ok, I'm mad too! I wanted the 3rd before I went into my villa. With 3 trips a year, I figure I spend my fair share at WDW and a nice AP discount would make me very :)

[wdwmaw]

While I can understand your frustration, you aren't ENTITLED to any discount Annual Passholder or not. Disney very clearly stipulates that they reserve the right to not offer discounts. If they feel that they can fill their hotels on weekends then they have no reason to offer a discount.

Being a passholder entitles you to entry for 365 consecutive days and to some merchandise and food discounts (but even those are limited). It plainly states that passholder rates are a perk which may or may not be offered AND if they are offered that blackout dates may apply.

Ok, my flame suit is on and I completely understand what you are saying. I make our travel choices based on my best options. The OP is just stating frustration with the availability and the current black outs of dates during her options. She clearly has not purchased the AP for the discount and has traveled enough to warrant the AP. She is just expressing a frustration for the cut backs and/or currant black outs.

Everyone, just imaging your local store has a disount card and you use it constantly ( can't get add price without it). Well, you load the buggy up and all of a sudden at checkout you are informed that your discount is only good on Tues. or from midnight- 5am. Yes, they have the right, but it hurts and it does take a while to get use to. I don't think entitlement is the word but just that many were use to it. The discounts have enticed many for years and for many Disney has become very habitual and the norm. Can we just discuss the changes we have all gone through?:thumbsup2

[dawgsgirl]

Our AP's ran out in December. We decided not to renew and possibly not go to Disney this year. Dealing with Disney reservations has just become a pain in the rear. Quality all around seems down. And the AP discounts are hit and miss. I'm not going to argue that AP's are only for admission. I think the loyal Disney freaks deserve a break. I have been under the impression now for a couple of years that Disney does not want the AP's and regular Disney freaks. They want NEW customers that will buy more suvvies and spend more money. They also want customers that don't know that codes and specials even exist. I feel your pain. I could not believe it when I saw that there are NO AP discounts for the weekends. In December, I paid more for the weekends, but it was still at a discount. It seems that with this crazy economy, they would want the AP business. Oh well, haven't been to the beach in a while!

[luckytobeme88]

We got 40% AP discount off for our trip 8/23-8/30 (7nights) at AKL. We are paying $162 per night +tax for a pool-view bunk room. It comes to $1275.75. Why are some of you paying so much with the AP discount?

[PrincessSuzanne]

No - retired is someone who served 20+ yrs - or was career military. They are considered retired veterans. A veteran is someone who served less than 20.

In my husbands case he served 5 1/2 yrs plus the 4 reserve (think it was called inactive reserve or something like that where they can call you back up) Anyhow, he most likely would have gone career but injured his back during Desert Storm and could no longer "technically" jump out of airplanes. Apparently he was an adrenaline junkie since he is now a career firefighter- certainly won't ever hold my breath for TWDC to give them any kind of discount:rotfl: :rotfl:


Yeah, I kinda feel like my DH is getting scr*wed out of this offer because he didn't make the Army a career. He still served and was Active of sorts for his reserve years and no benefits whatsoever. We would have really jumped on this offer and made more than the 3 planned trips. He doesn't even qualify for SOG. He was Honorably Discharged and that should say something. So much for serving his country :snooty:

Our AP's expired in Dec and I am debating renewing them, but since we go at least 4 or 5 times during the year that we have them, I see no point not renewing them, tickets are a huge part of the package. Having AP's is what allowed us to take so many trips and I saved a ton over the last year because I have used it to its advantage for most all of the discounts. If I do, I am going to use the 7 day tickets that I purchased as part of the 4/3 deal to upgrade. We have done several quick weekend trips being only 6 hours away, but if there is no benefit there, I might just skip it.

Suzanne

[Tarheel girl 1975]

Yes and no - mine showed some dates when weekends are excluded. Others require minimum lengths of stay if arriving on a Sat.

The ones for the first half of the year were Sun-Thurs.

I can understand your frustration. There are many sites that play up the discounts and perks that come along with an AP. I'm guessing that this year Disney is more worried about bringing in new guests to the parks than they are about getting their AP holders to come. They probably figure we're hooked.

[twinklebug]

If I may chime in... the upside to Disney asking us to pay rack rate on the weekends is it gives us reason to move over to Universal Studios for a couple nights and enjoy their fastpass system which I've heard is available to those staying in their hotels for free. Someone correct me if I'm wrong here as it's my plan... :rotfl:

Adding, if enough of us do this and make a point of telling disney the marketing folk might wake up and ask "what's wrong here?"

[wdwmaw]

We got 40% AP discount off for our trip 8/23-8/30 (7nights) at AKL. We are paying $162 per night +tax for a pool-view bunk room. It comes to $1275.75. Why are some of you paying so much with the AP discount?


You are traveling during Value season and some others are not. Disney has been blacking out some dates that others are looking for and they have also been blacking out weekends of more popular times. Congrats on your AP rate. You will possibly be traveling during the more popular "free dining period" and can be a very low attendance timeframe, which is why you have gotten such a great rate.

[luckytobeme88]

This is my first year as an AP holder. I really didn't know much about AP discount. When I learned of the 40% AP code, I immediately jumped right in. I really want to go during last weekend of June until July 6th. I kind of know that any discount during this period will be impossible.
Any advice?

[wdwmaw]

I can understand your frustration. There are many sites that play up the discounts and perks that come along with an AP.


I quote BIRNBAUM GUIDES 2009 Walt Disney World pg. 23 "...or an Annual Pass. In addition to unlimited admission to the parks, an Annual Pass entitles bearers to discounts on everything from dinner shows to room rates. NOTE: Only one person per party need possess an annual pass to net a disocunt on a resort rate. This option is great for traverlers with flexible vacation schedules, as the discounts do vary and are often announced just weeks before they go into effect."

PASSPORTER WALT DISNEY WORLD RESORT pg. 28 "If you have a Disney Visacard, Annual Pass, or are a Florida resident or military family, ask about those discounts, too."

Disney may not be saying this but it is assumed by many that AP rates are or will be there, esp if you have the convience of living close enough to take advantage of discounts.

[Hawk]

If I may chime in... the upside to Disney asking us to pay rack rate on the weekends is it gives us reason to move over to Universal Studios for a couple nights and enjoy their fastpass system which I've heard is available to those staying in their hotels for free. Someone correct me if I'm wrong here as it's my plan... :rotfl:

Adding, if enough of us do this and make a point of telling disney the marketing folk might wake up and ask "what's wrong here?"

My thoughts exactly. :thumbsup2

Tim/Hawk

[wdwmaw]

This is my first year as an AP holder. I really didn't know much about AP discount. When I learned of the 40% AP code, I immediately jumped right in. I really want to go during last weekend of June until July 6th. I kind of know that any discount during this period will be impossible.
Any advice?

There were AP discounts for your time frame last year. You will not get as good of a rate that you have now since you would not be in value season. Check out this chart to check for past discounts offered. Hang in there you never know but 40% is very good. The week you have will possibly be the start of free dining so just make sure you have those dining plans set at the 90 day mark.
http://www.mousesavers.com/historicalwdwdiscounts.html#codetrends

[Luv2Roam]

First, I agree AP-ers should get better discounts.
That being said guidebooks are not official Disney documentation, no more than the Dis is the official Disney web site.
And it's not that Disney is not offering discounted room rates. They just are not as nice as you wish they were at this time.
Maybe more will be coming with the way the discounts have been coming out. :confused3

[MariaEllerºoº]

It would be great if it was more than just another marketing ploy. After all, TWDC is a for profit business which is what I remember when I get irked by their absolutely ridiculous rates, there "promotions" that extend to certain people only ,etc.

First, we knew we'd love WDW so we bought our AP on our 1st family trip down there last year. Although the rates we received last 4th of July were great and did save us money, we really were hoping for good rates this year to make it worth while. Obviously, that won't be the case.

I am sure I am going to get flamed by this if it is taken wrong: Please understand I support the military 100% and I am not saying military personnel don't deserve to be thanked

my husband was in the Army (82nd Airbourne) for 5 1/2 yrs + 4 reserves. He fought in Desert Storm. He served his country. Apparently, TWDC doesn't consider veterans on the same level as an active member of the military. It is extremely irritating because he served just like anyone else. They all served their country and should be recognized for such - not just current active personnel.


Again, it isn't that I don't support the military. My annoyance is more toward TWDC marketing dept who are strictly attempting to boost attendence and using this discount as bait. Of course, that is their job and they do it well


Both my husband and I are veterans as well. I served in the Navy during Desert Storm. My hubby served in the army with the 1st Cavalry and was in Iraq 2004-2005...30% disabled afterwards and neither of us qualify for any type of military discount. This highly upsets me...especially with my hubby being 30% disabled after his stint in Iraq. I should say we were both Honorably Discharged, but neither of us retired military. SOG should be open to all veterans except dishonorable discharged and Disney should have discounts for all military vets except dishonorable discharged as well.

[pooch]

but in my humble opinion, Disney (and MANY other organizations) markets its best offers to entice new customers. AP holders have already drunk the kool-aid. Disney knows you're coming. Discounts are used to bring in people who might not otherwise. I agree, you would think that the most loyal customers would be the best rewarded but this really isn't the way marketing works.

[collcass]

Both my husband and I are veterans as well. I served in the Navy during Desert Storm. My hubby served in the army with the 1st Cavalry and was in Iraq 2004-2005...30% disabled afterwards and neither of us qualify for any type of military discount. This highly upsets me...especially with my hubby being 30% disabled after his stint in Iraq. I should say we were both Honorably Discharged, but neither of us retired military. SOG should be open to all veterans except dishonorable discharged and Disney should have discounts for all military vets except dishonorable discharged as well.
i agree. My husband is considered 30% disabled after his visit over there! For me it isn't even not getting the discount that bothers me, it's more that it seems they are saying your service was less important or dignified because it wasn't 20+ yrs. It's even more of a slap in the face that they actually offer the $99 tickets to friends of active servicepeople but not to veterans. That is crazy

Oh well, I am completely off topic again - sorry.

[collcass]

There were AP discounts for your time frame last year. You will not get as good of a rate that you have now since you would not be in value season. Check out this chart to check for past discounts offered. Hang in there you never know but 40% is very good. The week you have will possibly be the start of free dining so just make sure you have those dining plans set at the 90 day mark.
http://www.mousesavers.com/historicalwdwdiscounts.html#codetrends

The AP rates for this time period came out in early May last year. I'm pretty sure free dining wasn't until Aug 24 last yr and I only remember because that's my DH's bday and I begged him to let me take him to the world for his bday.

That being said, we were there 6/30 - 7/18 in 2008. We paid $303 @ Poly w/ AP and $184 (i think) at POR.

[dclfun]

Collcass- You mentioned that your husband is a firefighter- just as an FYI Disney has offered discounts similar or better than the current military room and ticket offer to firefighters in the past- two time periods that I recall in the fairly recent past. Who knows if they might be offered in the future- maybe you'll get a discount after all.

For us, when we moved to Florida we got AP's- never got any information and didn't even know room discounts were available. Of course when you call CRO they can't offer discounts so we never stayed on property- we could've had both AP and FL resident rates! Ahh...life before the internet. Then we joined DVC where you pay WAY more in points on the weekends. Many DVC members are also AP holders and book only Fri/Sat nights with cash to save their points, thus booking only weekends and leaving a void Sun-Thurs. I can understand, based on that popular trend, why AP discounts are limited or blocked on weekends. Doesn't mean it's not a tough thing for AP holders.

During the past two years we've stayed over 60 nights on property EACH year-some with points and some with promos. We've booked FD for the past four years as it's been a better offer for us than an AP discount. My nephew who joined DVC and bought AP's is doing the 4/3 deal in February as it's a better deal for them. I guess we all have to take whatever bone is thrown to us. As to my family, we've NEVER received a PIN code in the mail even though I've signed up to receive email offers. As others have said, marketting is geared toward attracting new guests, not rewarding past guests. I've said before that there needs to be a way that we can "earn" rewards for each night we stay on property similar to other hotel chain rewards programs. I'd love to earn free nights, meals, or merchandise credits- something to recognize my contribution to all the cheese I've bought for Mickey.
Kathy

[MarkinNM]

If anyone consumer at Disney should be treated special, it should be AP holders.

:rolleyes1 :rolleyes1 :rolleyes1

:furious:

WRONG!!!!

ANY "consumer" should be treated special!! If you spend your hard earned $$$$ in their parks your special.... ;)

now go on and :charac2:

[TagsMissy]

While I can understand being upset the discount isn't available the nature of the complaint seems unwarranted. not to flame or anything but it seems pretty petty to whinge that a couple nights aren't discounted when it's clear from Disney that it's privilege not a right to get some discounts and that it's clear there are blackouts.

This is a direct copy and paste from the Disney site:

Periodic Walt Disney World® Resort room discounts

Periodic means just that periodic. I'd have booked the room before the airfare in my case to ensure you got what you wanted or else search for different dates. :confused3 :confused3

[d1gitman]

while we have only been 7x, and i feel like we deserve something, it is what it is. i email WDW upon returning from each trip. I compliment on the good and mention what we thought was not so good along with suggestions for improvements.

they have alway called back. during one of those conversations, i asked about how to get discounts, etc...I was told it is run by a seperate company and done at random, having no ties to guests travel patterns, frequency or cost. Based on the fact that you have been so many times for so long, i would say that is proof of what they told me.

playing devil's advocate, i think of it this way. Disney is the best at what they do, hand's down. On the other hand, no one is perfect, not even Disney. I'm sure their database and statistics on guests, employee's, operating expenses, etc..is mindboggling. We have to remember, they are a For Profit business. Plain and simple, they have to make a profit. In the end, they have to try and find ways to keep things fiscally attractive for a broad spectrum of the population, yet still be profitable. I am sure that is a fine line that they walk every minute of every day. Like they say, it's tough being number one and staying number one. Because Disney is so good at what they do and at taking care of their guests, i think that we expect perfection and forget to give any room for WDW to breathe or be human. This is not to excuse any faux pas that WDW may be 'guilty' of, just a point of view.

my take on Disney is that $ for $, I haven't found anything that beats it for a vacation. every time i look at other places for trips, the costs come up similar or more expensive. I know that eventually we will do other destinations for our family vacations, especially as our DS's get older. For now, i just don't see any way that we can beat WDW in value. We have incredibly fun vacations that also take us away from the daily grind, phyiscally, mentally and emotionally. For us, that is a real vacation.

All I can say is that you are privelaged to have been to WDW so much and hopefully you don't lose sight of that. I understand if you feel like a comp is due, i certainly think you are overdue. However, i'm sure there are thousands of people, if not millions, who feel the same way.

In the end, I am grateful for what WDW does provide for the money. This has enabled us to have some incredible vacations during the past 7 yrs and hopefully for many more to come.


IMHO

[wdwmaw]

The AP rates for this time period came out in early May last year. I'm pretty sure free dining wasn't until Aug 24 last yr and I only remember because that's my DH's bday and I begged him to let me take him to the world for his bday.

That being said, we were there 6/30 - 7/18 in 2008. We paid $303 @ Poly w/ AP and $184 (i think) at POR.

Free dining does change but the bounceback for this year was 8/23-10/1 and 10/2-10/8. This is our only glimps of what is to come.

[edwardsfire]

No one is intitled to anything from Disney (discounts or anything)
They have a product, if we want it..it will cost you.
My aunt is an AP holder and Florida resident, sometimes she gets a good deal sometimes she doesnt.
We visit Disney quite often and in no way would i expect any perks.
We go during the Value season most often and take advantage of any deals Disney makes to the general public. It seems the more folks get, the more they want.
Everyone has their opinions, degree of "want".
IMHO, Disney bends over backwards to make it an affordable destination.
No issue with me thats for sure.
Oh, and the room only codes that goes out....WE love em!
We stayed at All Star Music for a mere 40.00 per night.
Thats an amazing deal for an on property resort.

[micheleq]

i agree. My husband is considered 30% disabled after his visit over there! For me it isn't even not getting the discount that bothers me, it's more that it seems they are saying your service was less important or dignified because it wasn't 20+ yrs. It's even more of a slap in the face that they actually offer the $99 tickets to friends of active servicepeople but not to veterans. That is crazy

Oh well, I am completely off topic again - sorry.

Don't be sorry!

SOG was offering rooms to honorably discharged vets January and Sept. 2009. Check into it, might be worth it. It's not all year, but two months is better than none right?

[PrincessV]

I have been under the impression now for a couple of years that Disney does not want the AP's and regular Disney freaks. They want NEW customers that will buy more suvvies and spend more money. They also want customers that don't know that codes and specials even exist.
::yes:: That's my take on it, too. I'd love to see some studies, because I strongly suspect the average new visitor spends a lot more per person or per day than a frequent visitor. Honestly, as a local I spend as little as possible - the rare merhcandise item and limited food & drink. BUT, advertising to those new markets costs a lot more. Wish I could see some numbers!

As for me, well, if no good discount is available to me (AP, FL res. or otherwise), I simply don't stay overnight and I may well consider Universal when my DS gets older.

[TigrLvsPooh]

Hello again DIS friends....

I am less mad today after sleeping on it. I think once the initial shock wore off I could see things more in perspective. But I have to admit I do feel a little bit like Clark Griswold when he opened up his Jelly of the Month Club. :rotfl: When you are use to having an AP discount for all nights of your vacation, and then they suddenly cut out the weekends, it is a bit shocking. But I guess nothing in life is for sure. We went ahead and booked Pop Century. It's not really what I want, but since we are only there a couple of days before spending a week in a 2-bedroom villa I really don't have anything to be upset about. The kids love Pop, so they are excited.

Only 68 days to go!!! :cool1:

[wdwmaw]

This is a direct copy and paste from the Disney site:

Periodic Walt Disney World® Resort room discounts

Periodic means just that periodic. I'd have booked the room before the airfare in my case to ensure you got what you wanted or else search for different dates. :confused3 :confused3

I agree with you 100 % on this. I think the point is change over time and not that anyone expects it now. Some people are haveing a hard time with the changes. I found my papers from 2000 and I

Quote 2000 Disney AP Pamplet given at purchase:

Seasonal disncounts at selected Walt Diseny World resort hotels ( rooms available at discount are limited)

The wording has changed. On the other hand periodic does mean uniform,customary, regular, steady,and systematic. The antonyms of this word is unusual, exceptional, abnormal, rare, and erratic. Think of it this way people do expect their peridical's (magizene publications) when they are expected to arrive. You pay for a subscription then you expect it to be there.

[twinklebug]

Hello again DIS friends....

I am less mad today after sleeping on it. I think once the initial shock wore off I could see things more in perspective. But I have to admit I do feel a little bit like Clark Griswold when he opened up his Jelly of the Month Club. :rotfl: When you are use to having an AP discount for all nights of your vacation, and then they suddenly cut out the weekends, it is a bit shocking. But I guess nothing in life is for sure. We went ahead and booked Pop Century. It's not really what I want, but since we are only there a couple of days before spending a week in a 2-bedroom villa I really don't have anything to be upset about. The kids love Pop, so they are excited.

Only 68 days to go!!! :cool1:

You're doing it the right way. I pity the poor fool who stays in the 2br unit for 5 nights and then finishes his vacation with a couple day stay in a value room :rotfl:

[TigrLvsPooh]

I agree with you 100 % on this. I think the point is change over time and not that anyone expects it now. Some people are haveing a hard time with the changes. I found my papers from 2000 and I

Quote 2000 Disney AP Pamplet given at purchase:

Seasonal disncounts at selected Walt Diseny World resort hotels ( rooms available at discount are limited)

The wording has changed. On the other hand periodic does mean uniform,customary, regular, steady,and systematic. The antonyms of this word is unusual, exceptional, abnormal, rare, and erratic. Think of it this way people do expect their peridical's (magizene publications) when they are expected to arrive. You pay for a subscription then you expect it to be there.

I agree, but it's just especially hard for DVC members who count on AP rates to finish out the week once they leave their villa. I'm not saying all DVC members do this, but many choose not to waste points with expensive weekend rates and move to other resorts on Friday and Saturday.

[TigrLvsPooh]

You're doing it the right way. I pity the poor fool who stays in the 2br unit for 5 nights and then finishes his vacation with a couple day stay in a value room :rotfl:

Oh my gosh! We just posted almost the exact same thing at the exact same time!!! :thumbsup2

[Iott Family]

I didn't buy an AP for room discounts... but when they released the discount this morning I sure didn't expect it to be Sun-Thurs only. We check-in to OKW on Sunday, so I am in a situation where I have to have a room friday and saturday, and I have to stay on property because I need to take ME, so I am forced to pay rack rate. It sucks. And I'm mad. I don't like being forced into doing something I don't want to do.

People with no AP, who are doing the 4/3 deal are getting a much better price than I am and I've been to WDW 4 times in the last year. That makes no sense. I'm already stuck with 1-day tickets from last October I was forced to buy so I could do the Bounceback offer. It's just a lot of nonsense.

Wow! You have been to WDW 4 times this past year!! That is amazing! :wizard: I am sooo jealous! We live in Indiana and its quite a trip for us to do disney every 2 or 3 years. We were so excited when the 4/3 deal came out because that meant we could actually afford to go this year :woohoo:

[TigrLvsPooh]

Wow! You have been to WDW 4 times this past year!! That is amazing! :wizard: I am sooo jealous! We live in Indiana and its quite a trip for us to do disney every 2 or 3 years. We were so excited when the 4/3 deal came out because that meant we could actually afford to go this year :woohoo:

It's not easy for us... but with APs and cheap fares on Southwest we can usually swing it. Sometimes with AP rate, sometimes with Bounceback, we'll take whatever deal works. ;)

[MAGGIED]

It would be great if it was more than just another marketing ploy. After all, TWDC is a for profit business which is what I remember when I get irked by their absolutely ridiculous rates, there "promotions" that extend to certain people only ,etc.

First, we knew we'd love WDW so we bought our AP on our 1st family trip down there last year. Although the rates we received last 4th of July were great and did save us money, we really were hoping for good rates this year to make it worth while. Obviously, that won't be the case.

I am sure I am going to get flamed by this if it is taken wrong: Please understand I support the military 100% and I am not saying military personnel don't deserve to be thanked

my husband was in the Army (82nd Airbourne) for 5 1/2 yrs + 4 reserves. He fought in Desert Storm. He served his country. Apparently, TWDC doesn't consider veterans on the same level as an active member of the military. It is extremely irritating because he served just like anyone else. They all served their country and should be recognized for such - not just current active personnel.


Again, it isn't that I don't support the military. My annoyance is more toward TWDC marketing dept who are strictly attempting to boost attendence and using this discount as bait. Of course, that is their job and they do it well


I think you might have missed part of the promotion. The promotion is for active duty and for retired members. Since you spent some time military you would remember that the pay for active duty is not comparable with the civilian world. When my husband was an E-5 his civilian counterpart was making about $20,000 more a year doing the same job. My husband did over twenty years and is now retired. We are frequent Disney visitors with over 25 trips in 10 years... more as a child... and I am thankful for the little extra bonus they give the military...mostly for the young airmen and soldiers.... this might make a trip possible for them. do you also have a problem with active duty and retired members having the Shades of Green available to them?

[wdwmaw]

:rolleyes1 :rolleyes1 :rolleyes1

:furious:

WRONG!!!!

ANY "consumer" should be treated special!! If you spend your hard earned $$$$ in their parks your special.... ;)

now go on and :charac2:

I agree with you and I am sorry for my statement. I am not a passholder right now and do not plan on it for this year. We will miss the discounts, special passholder pricing on special events, special passholder preview at new attractions, discounts on shopping, specials on photopass website, and the passholder pins for MNSSHP will not be available to us this year. Passholders do get some very special things not special treatment.

[MAGGIED]

It says the discount applies to retired military as well...is that not the same thing as a vet?

No it is not... to be retired you must have served over 20 years... veterans are those who served in the military....

[MAGGIED]

Yeah, I kinda feel like my DH is getting scr*wed out of this offer because he didn't make the Army a career. He still served and was Active of sorts for his reserve years and no benefits whatsoever. We would have really jumped on this offer and made more than the 3 planned trips. He doesn't even qualify for SOG. He was Honorably Discharged and that should say something. So much for serving his country :snooty:

Suzanne

Just a quick question... lets say you work for a police department......lets say NY City Police Department just for the sake of naming someplace... you work there for 6 years and then you leave to take another job.....then a few years later Disney is offering to all current and retired NY City police and their families free admission... do you feel that you would be entitled to free admission because you worked there before?

[GrumpyFamilyof5]

Both my husband and I are veterans as well. I served in the Navy during Desert Storm. My hubby served in the army with the 1st Cavalry and was in Iraq 2004-2005...30% disabled afterwards and neither of us qualify for any type of military discount. This highly upsets me...especially with my hubby being 30% disabled after his stint in Iraq. I should say we were both Honorably Discharged, but neither of us retired military. SOG should be open to all veterans except dishonorable discharged and Disney should have discounts for all military vets except dishonorable discharged as well.

OMG your kidding me...that is so wrong. My DH was in Iraq as well 04-05, he is still in and will retire, but not the point. You both served our country and your DH is now 30% disabled, there should be something from that. Have you looked into disabled veterans. I know we have a place around here where they meet. I'd look into it, they would know exactly where and what kind of discounts or benefits there are!
Thank-you both for serving, highly appreciated!:thumbsup2

[Disney1976]

::yes:: That's my take on it, too. I'd love to see some studies, because I strongly suspect the average new visitor spends a lot more per person or per day than a frequent visitor. Honestly, as a local I spend as little as possible - the rare merhcandise item and limited food & drink. BUT, advertising to those new markets costs a lot more. Wish I could see some numbers!

As for me, well, if no good discount is available to me (AP, FL res. or otherwise), I simply don't stay overnight and I may well consider Universal when my DS gets older.


As a local, what irks me is that Disney markets the AP very heavily to us -and they never fail to mention the discounts we get with one! But, it seems that they've kept cutting back on those discounts, little by little. Some of them don't even make sense to me. Why is it I can get a discount on merchandise at World of Disney at DTD, but not at Mousegears, or the Emporium, when they sell the exact same stuff?

What WDW has going for it, of course is that they have the ability to attract millions of people every year from around the world -whereas Disneyland seems far more dependant on locals to make its annual goals. Not sure if the discounts for people in California are any better, but I'd like to think so.

[wdwmaw]

I agree, but it's just especially hard for DVC members who count on AP rates to finish out the week once they leave their villa. I'm not saying all DVC members do this, but many choose not to waste points with expensive weekend rates and move to other resorts on Friday and Saturday.

We travel with a DVC family and just the past couple of years have things changed so much. We would have a pkg. or room only with a discount and they could not get anything discounted. One year I called with a public code and she called with an AP code or DVC cash price and she got FWC only and I got something quoted at every level for the Sat night before our check in. Needless to say we all booked public.

[GrumpyFamilyof5]

No it is not... to be retired you must have served over 20 years... veterans are those who served in the military....

I may be wrong here, but from what we've been told you either have to be retired veteran of more then 20yrs or a veteran from war. For instance though DH is not retired yet, he is still considered a veteran because he has served overseas in a dangerous enviroment. If he had just stayed home he would not be considered a veteran right now, but they were told before coming home that as soon as they set foot on home ground they were a veteran...... hope this all makes sense, I have a hard time trying to get words out when typing, there all jumbled in my head, but don't always come out right...:banana:

[MAGGIED]

I may be wrong here, but from what we've been told you either have to be retired veteran of more then 20yrs or a veteran from war. For instance though DH is not retired yet, he is still considered a veteran because he has served overseas in a dangerous enviroment. If he had just stayed home he would not be considered a veteran right now, but they were told before coming home that as soon as they set foot on home ground they were a veteran...... hope this all makes sense, I have a hard time trying to get words out when typing, there all jumbled in my head, but don't always come out right...:banana:

I do believe you are correct....and your words made perfect sense:thumbsup2 .... I still have two nephews who are active duty and both have been to Iraq and back serveral times..... my DH served during Desert Storm and retired about 3 years ago... now he works for the American Red Cross....

[GrumpyFamilyof5]

I do believe you are correct....and your words made perfect sense:thumbsup2 .... I still have two nephews who are active duty and both have been to Iraq and back serveral times..... my DH served during Desert Storm and retired about 3 years ago... now he works for the American Red Cross....

Thank your nephews and DH for serving! My DH is at training right now, alot the next couple months actually, they've been told they will return to either Iraq or Aphganistan(sp) the 1st of Sept.
So needless to say we will be trying to make the most of our time together and hope to have a great spring break this year, so of course every little bit of a discount will help, but regardless I'm going to try to make this a wonderful vacation!!;)

[collcass]

Just a quick question... lets say you work for a police department......lets say NY City Police Department just for the sake of naming someplace... you work there for 6 years and then you leave to take another job.....then a few years later Disney is offering to all current and retired NY City police and their families free admission... do you feel that you would be entitled to free admission because you worked there before?

A veteran with an honorable discharge has fulfilled their obligation and served their required time in the military. Someone who has chosen to be career military has made a profession out of it and that is wonderful. It is their career choice after they have actually fulfilled the obligation when they signed up.

Many veterans whi did not make the career into a lifelong profession, but served their country and even fought in wars are being left out of this promotion. What they did to protect our freedom is no less important than what is being done today. They made the same sacrifices as someone who is signed up today makes. A vet who fought in any war has served his country regardless of what time it was and should be recognized as such.

A police officer is not obligated to serve a certain number of years unless he/she wants to retire w/ a pension. SOmeone who switched their profession has simply switched jobs - that's it.

According to the press release from Disney:

As Disney Parks ask "What Will You Celebrate?" and invite guests to turn their personal milestones into magical family vacations in 2009, America's military personnel will have one more reason to celebrate: Free multi-day admission to Disney's U.S. theme parks.
With the "Disney's Armed Forces Salute" offer, active and retired U.S. military personnel, including active and retired members of the United States Coast Guard and activated members of the National Guard or Reservists, can enjoy complimentary, multi-day admission into Disney's U.S. theme parks, great rates at select Walt Disney World Resort and Disneyland Resort hotels, and additional special ticket offers for family members and friends.

"For so many of the men and women who serve in our U.S. military, time together with their families is cause enough for celebration," said Jay Rasulo, chairman of Walt Disney Parks and Resorts. "We are grateful for their service and hope 'Disney's Armed Forces Salute' will allow our troops to create wonderful, magical memories with their family and friends."


Please understand, I have no issue whatsoever with military members being honored. I support the military 100% and Iam well aware of the sacrifices made by the families. What bothers me, however, is that the value of a vet has been lessened. Furthermore, a active military member can purchase tickets for $99 for friends but a veteran gets no discount whatsoever. That's not right.

[CanadianGuy]

Veterans vs retired military aside for a moment...

AP discounts are neither guaranteed nor are they unlimited. Everything quoted in this thread indicates that the number of rooms for those discounts, when offered, are limited.

As for 'periodic' discounts.. several reputable dictionaries indicate the following synonyms.. periodic: sporadic, intermittent, occasional, fitful ..

Often the word periodic is used in the English language to mean "occasional and intermittent".

Regardless, they are offering room discounts; it just so happens those room discounts don't suit the trip plans of every AP holder.

To which I say - Tell me about it! There are any number of offers that are out right now.. but none of them suit my travel plans for 2009 perfectly.

C'est la vie... or as my mother used to tell me "Gimme Gimme Gimme .... Never Gets.. ;)

Knox

[collcass]

Veterans vs retired military aside for a moment...Apologies, I know I got OT!


As for 'periodic' discounts.. several reputable dictionaries indicate the following synonyms.. periodic: sporadic, intermittent, occasional, fitful ..Or when the company feels the need. LOL. My thought on discounts is any discount is better than no discount. Hopefully one will come my way this year :o). Maybe, maybe not

[purplepaint]

Both my husband and I are veterans as well. I served in the Navy during Desert Storm. My hubby served in the army with the 1st Cavalry and was in Iraq 2004-2005...30% disabled afterwards and neither of us qualify for any type of military discount. This highly upsets me...especially with my hubby being 30% disabled after his stint in Iraq. I should say we were both Honorably Discharged, but neither of us retired military. SOG should be open to all veterans except dishonorable discharged and Disney should have discounts for all military vets except dishonorable discharged as well.




Why was your not medically retired? It was always my understanding that if you were hurt in combat and could not perform your duties they would medically retire you. SOG does offer each year a certain time when veterans show have not actually retire can book rooms all you have to show upon check in is your DD214( I think that is the form).

[collcass]

Why was your not medically retired? It was always my understanding that if you were hurt in combat and could not perform your duties they would medically retire you. SOG does offer each year a certain time when veterans show have not actually retire can book rooms all you have to show upon check in is your DD214( I think that is the form).I'm pretty sure 30% (which is what my husband is) does not qualify for a medical retirement

[Mattsmommy]

while we have only been 7x, and i feel like we deserve something,

Why do you feel that you deserve something? I have been to WDW many times and never felt I deserved anything. You have to pay to play. If you don't want to pay rack rates on the weekends then don't go. Disney is in business to make money. It's up to them to offer the discounts. I don't see the point in arguing and complaining about it. Many people go without any discount codes and free dining.

[purplepaint]

Why do you feel that you deserve something? I have been to WDW many times and never felt I deserved anything. You have to pay to play.


I was thinking the same thing!!!! It seems to me that Disney can not win especially here on the DIS.

[MAGGIED]

A veteran with an honorable discharge has fulfilled their obligation and served their required time in the military. Someone who has chosen to be career military has made a profession out of it and that is wonderful. It is their career choice after they have actually fulfilled the obligation when they signed up.

Many veterans whi did not make the career into a lifelong profession, but served their country and even fought in wars are being left out of this promotion. What they did to protect our freedom is no less important than what is being done today. They made the same sacrifices as someone who is signed up today makes. A vet who fought in any war has served his country regardless of what time it was and should be recognized as such.

A police officer is not obligated to serve a certain number of years unless he/she wants to retire w/ a pension. SOmeone who switched their profession has simply switched jobs - that's it.

According to the press release from Disney:



Please understand, I have no issue whatsoever with military members being honored. I support the military 100% and Iam well aware of the sacrifices made by the families. What bothers me, however, is that the value of a vet has been lessened. Furthermore, a active military member can purchase tickets for $99 for friends but a veteran gets no discount whatsoever. That's not right.


I agree with you about purchasing for friends.... I think it should only be for the military member and his/her immediate family...

[Mattsmommy]

It's even more of a slap in the face that they actually offer the $99 tickets to friends of active servicepeople but not to veterans. That is crazy




The military discount tickets are NOT for friends they are just for immediate family.

[njchris]

I'm not sure why people are defending the AP rates not including weekends.

To me, it's a bad business move. I won't be getting another AP. That means I'm less likely to go two times this year as I have for the past 4 yrs.

That means less money spent in their parks, less souveniers bought (which have also gone down in quality), less food bought, less days stayed when I do go.

So - they lose more than they would gain from me. I can't be alone in this either.

I sent them these comments when I looked up the AP rates in their reservation system and it popped up asking why I didn't book.

They have had a record of providing AP rates. So it is REASONABLE for someone to get an AP to be able to use with room discounts.

[PrincessSuzanne]

Just a quick question... lets say you work for a police department......lets say NY City Police Department just for the sake of naming someplace... you work there for 6 years and then you leave to take another job.....then a few years later Disney is offering to all current and retired NY City police and their families free admission... do you feel that you would be entitled to free admission because you worked there before?

You can't compare these two instances they aren't the same at all. As Collcass said you are comparing apple and oranges.


A veteran with an honorable discharge has fulfilled their obligation and served their required time in the military. Someone who has chosen to be career military has made a profession out of it and that is wonderful. It is their career choice after they have actually fulfilled the obligation when they signed up.

Many veterans whi did not make the career into a lifelong profession, but served their country and even fought in wars are being left out of this promotion. What they did to protect our freedom is no less important than what is being done today. They made the same sacrifices as someone who is signed up today makes. A vet who fought in any war has served his country regardless of what time it was and should be recognized as such.

A police officer is not obligated to serve a certain number of years unless he/she wants to retire w/ a pension. SOmeone who switched their profession has simply switched jobs - that's it.

Thank you, collcass, this is what I wanted to say, but couldn't word it as well as you did.

According to the press release from Disney:



Please understand, I have no issue whatsoever with military members being honored. I support the military 100% and Iam well aware of the sacrifices made by the families. What bothers me, however, is that the value of a vet has been lessened. Furthermore, a active military member can purchase tickets for $99 for friends but a veteran gets no discount whatsoever. That's not right.

I don't think it is at all fair not to inclued veterans if they are going to include friends, lets be fair to all military (maybe not Dishonorably Discharged). My DH put his life on the line just as many others did and was Honorably Discharged. He did serve active duty state side, but he served none the less.

Suzanne

[PrincessSuzanne]

The military discount tickets are NOT for friends they are just for immediate family.

Yes, they do include friends.

According to the press release from Disney:


Quote:
As Disney Parks ask "What Will You Celebrate?" and invite guests to turn their personal milestones into magical family vacations in 2009, America's military personnel will have one more reason to celebrate: Free multi-day admission to Disney's U.S. theme parks.
With the "Disney's Armed Forces Salute" offer, active and retired U.S. military personnel, including active and retired members of the United States Coast Guard and activated members of the National Guard or Reservists, can enjoy complimentary, multi-day admission into Disney's U.S. theme parks, great rates at select Walt Disney World Resort and Disneyland Resort hotels, and additional special ticket offers for family members and friends.

"For so many of the men and women who serve in our U.S. military, time together with their families is cause enough for celebration," said Jay Rasulo, chairman of Walt Disney Parks and Resorts. "We are grateful for their service and hope 'Disney's Armed Forces Salute' will allow our troops to create wonderful, magical memories with their family and friends."

Thank you collcass for the Press release info.


Suzanne

[LoveTwoTravel]

Apparently, TWDC doesn't consider veterans on the same level as an active member of the military. It is extremely irritating because he served just like anyone else. They all served their country and should be recognized for such - not just current active personnel.

I agree with you. It's disappointing! You'd think they'd want to include ALL veterans b/c it's the current ones (who may not be active any longer) who are more likely to have younger families. I'm thrilled that retirees are included but I know many retirees who would not be interested in this type of a trip while lots of our friends are veterans (of DS or OIF) but ETSd out and would definitely go if they were included.

I'm happy some military get to take advantage of it, though.

[Mattsmommy]

Yes, they do include friends.

According to the press release from Disney:


Quote:
As Disney Parks ask "What Will You Celebrate?" and invite guests to turn their personal milestones into magical family vacations in 2009, America's military personnel will have one more reason to celebrate: Free multi-day admission to Disney's U.S. theme parks.
With the "Disney's Armed Forces Salute" offer, active and retired U.S. military personnel, including active and retired members of the United States Coast Guard and activated members of the National Guard or Reservists, can enjoy complimentary, multi-day admission into Disney's U.S. theme parks, great rates at select Walt Disney World Resort and Disneyland Resort hotels, and additional special ticket offers for family members and friends.

"For so many of the men and women who serve in our U.S. military, time together with their families is cause enough for celebration," said Jay Rasulo, chairman of Walt Disney Parks and Resorts. "We are grateful for their service and hope 'Disney's Armed Forces Salute' will allow our troops to create wonderful, magical memories with their family and friends."

Thank you collcass for the Press release info.


Suzanne

That has been revised http://www.disboards.com/showthread.php?t=2051676

[lisalonglash]

Yes, they do include friends.

According to the press release from Disney:

Quote:
As Disney Parks ask "What Will You Celebrate?" and invite guests to turn their personal milestones into magical family vacations in 2009, America's military personnel will have one more reason to celebrate: Free multi-day admission to Disney's U.S. theme parks.
With the "Disney's Armed Forces Salute" offer, active and retired U.S. military personnel, including active and retired members of the United States Coast Guard and activated members of the National Guard or Reservists, can enjoy complimentary, multi-day admission into Disney's U.S. theme parks, great rates at select Walt Disney World Resort and Disneyland Resort hotels, and additional special ticket offers for family members and friends.
"For so many of the men and women who serve in our U.S. military, time together with their families is cause enough for celebration," said Jay Rasulo, chairman of Walt Disney Parks and Resorts. "We are grateful for their service and hope 'Disney's Armed Forces Salute' will allow our troops to create wonderful, magical memories with their family and friends."

Thank you collcass for the Press release info.

Suzanne

And this is what is posted here on WDWinfo about this:

Disney World Ticket Discounts for Military Personnel
Special Offer

Active and Retired U.S. Military, also includes members of the U.S. Coast Guard and activated members of the National Guard or Reservists. They may obtain one complimentary 5-Day Disney's Armed Forces Salute Ticket (Base Ticket with the Park Hopper® option and Water Park Fun & More Option) the no expiration option is not available with this tickets. In addition the military member may also purchase 5-Day Disney's Armed Forces Salute Companion Tickets for up to five (5) family members and/or friends for $99 plus tax (Park Hopper® Option and Water Park Fun & More Options may be purchased for an additional $25 + tax for each option - the no expiration option is not available with these tickets). Tickets must be purchased at the theme park ticket windows. They are not available online or by phone with WDW. These tickets are valid through December 23, 2009.

Active or Retired Military must show a valid United States Military ID card. Activated members of the National Guard or Reservists must present their orders in addition to a Military ID card. Military personnel must have been active for any length of time between Jan. 1, 2008 and the end of Dec. 23, 2009.

[lovemygoofy]

There are some really crab apple people on here. I'm sorry that you aren't happy about the military discount. My goodness it's only Jan 8th. Disney could change it's mind a hundred times and put out AP discounts. Yes, short notice for some but a discount is a discount.

Thanks to this military discount, some friends of ours with their children are finally going to be able to go. Between 3 year long deployments and constant training, they haven't had the time to go anywhere. I'm so happy they can take advantage of this.

There are tons of 40% discounts floating around apparently and not just military. I received one in my email and they have no idea that I'm a military family, unless they read here. I've never booked a reservation using my email. Not everyone is getting those discounts either.

I guess I just don't see people who purchase APs as special. No, I don't see the military as paritcularly special enough to receive a discount but it's pretty damn nice considering all the stress that these families are going through right now.

I guess the days of counting your blessings that you have the monies and times and your whole family together to even go on vacation is something of the past. A little dose of humility never hurt anyone, especially some around here. While some of you are on your 10th trip this year, some are still going to be waiting on word that their loved one is safe and sound for the day.

I apologize in advance for all the toes I step on with this posting. Blessing to you on all your travels.

[collcass]

That has been revised http://www.disboards.com/showthread.php?t=2051676
I am relatively sure that you this is being interpreted incorrectly. An active service member can purchase 5 companion tickets for friends or family. If their immediate family is larger than that number, they can purchase up to 10.

I feel like I've now completely taken away from what the OP intended this thread for. I was not intending to get in a debate over who deserves a discount and who doesn't - I do think it is great they are offering a discount to military members and their family. These families make many sacrifices. Hopefully many of them can take advantage of it.

Again, I apologize for taking the thread totally off track.

[lisalonglash]

There are some really crab apple people on here. I'm sorry that you aren't happy about the military discount. My goodness it's only Jan 8th. Disney could change it's mind a hundred times and put out AP discounts. Yes, short notice for some but a discount is a discount.

Thanks to this military discount, some friends of ours with their children are finally going to be able to go. Between 3 year long deployments and constant training, they haven't had the time to go anywhere. I'm so happy they can take advantage of this.

There are tons of 40% discounts floating around apparently and not just military. I received one in my email and they have no idea that I'm a military family, unless they read here. I've never booked a reservation using my email. Not everyone is getting those discounts either.

I guess I just don't see people who purchase APs as special. No, I don't see the military as paritcularly special enough to receive a discount but it's pretty damn nice considering all the stress that these families are going through right now.

I guess the days of counting your blessings that you have the monies and times and your whole family together to even go on vacation is something of the past. A little dose of humility never hurt anyone, especially some around here. While some of you are on your 10th trip this year, some are still going to be waiting on word that their loved one is safe and sound for the day.

I apologize in advance for all the toes I step on with this posting. Blessing to you on all your travels.

Well said, well said ::yes::

[collcass]

There are some really crab apple people on here. I'm sorry that you aren't happy about the military discount. My goodness it's only Jan 8th. Disney could change it's mind a hundred times and put out AP discounts. Yes, short notice for some but a discount is a discount.

Thanks to this military discount, some friends of ours with their children are finally going to be able to go. Between 3 year long deployments and constant training, they haven't had the time to go anywhere. I'm so happy they can take advantage of this.

There are tons of 40% discounts floating around apparently and not just military. I received one in my email and they have no idea that I'm a military family, unless they read here. I've never booked a reservation using my email. Not everyone is getting those discounts either.

I guess I just don't see people who purchase APs as special. No, I don't see the military as paritcularly special enough to receive a discount but it's pretty damn nice considering all the stress that these families are going through right now.

I guess the days of counting your blessings that you have the monies and times and your whole family together to even go on vacation is something of the past. A little dose of humility never hurt anyone, especially some around here. While some of you are on your 10th trip this year, some are still going to be waiting on word that their loved one is safe and sound for the day.

I apologize in advance for all the toes I step on with this posting. Blessing to you on all your travels.

Here is my OP:

It would be great if it was more than just another marketing ploy. After all, TWDC is a for profit business which is what I remember when I get irked by their absolutely ridiculous rates, there "promotions" that extend to certain people only ,etc.

First, we knew we'd love WDW so we bought our AP on our 1st family trip down there last year. Although the rates we received last 4th of July were great and did save us money, we really were hoping for good rates this year to make it worth while. Obviously, that won't be the case.

I am sure I am going to get flamed by this if it is taken wrong: Please understand I support the military 100% and I am not saying military personnel don't deserve to be thanked

my husband was in the Army (82nd Airbourne) for 5 1/2 yrs + 4 reserves. He fought in Desert Storm. He served his country. Apparently, TWDC doesn't consider veterans on the same level as an active member of the military. It is extremely irritating because he served just like anyone else. They all served their country and should be recognized for such - not just current active personnel.


Again, it isn't that I don't support the military. My annoyance is more toward TWDC marketing dept who are strictly attempting to boost attendence and using this discount as bait. Of course, that is their job and they do it well

I am not angry one bit that people are getting discounts. Nor am I a crab apple. I also am well aware of the sacrifice made by these families seeing as we were once a military family. I also count my blessings every day....and thank God each and everytime my husband runs into a fire and still comes home. I certainly know about humility. I'm glad your friends can utilize the discount.

[purplepaint]

Did anyone ever stop to think that maybe the “friend clause” was put into place for those single service men and woman who do not have family to travel with? Why shouldn’t they be able to bring their boyfriend are girlfriend with them. Also believe it or not there are many homosexual service members and shouldn’t they also be able to enjoy Disney with their partners.

[collcass]

Did anyone ever stop to think that maybe the “friend clause” was put into place for those single service men and woman who do not have family to travel with? Why shouldn’t they be able to bring their boyfriend are girlfriend with them. Also believe it or not there are many homosexual service members and shouldn’t they also be able to enjoy Disney with their partners.No, I did not think of that. Of course they should be able to. That makes total sense.

[MariaEllerºoº]

i agree. My husband is considered 30% disabled after his visit over there! For me it isn't even not getting the discount that bothers me, it's more that it seems they are saying your service was less important or dignified because it wasn't 20+ yrs. It's even more of a slap in the face that they actually offer the $99 tickets to friends of active servicepeople but not to veterans. That is crazy

Oh well, I am completely off topic again - sorry.

Yep!!!! Exactly how I feel!!!

My hubby's disability may go up even higher. His leg is getting even worse than it was when he first returned. He's suppose to meet with the DAV to help him fill out new forms to push through the VA. He did 5 1/2 years active with the 1st Cav and then 4 years inactive ready reserve. I did a total of 4 years plus 3 inactive reserve. It's definitely a slap in the face to military veterans who served their country proudly and honorably not to qualify for anything. Even SOG's once a year deal with the limited time frame for all veterans is a slap in the face.

[MariaEllerºoº]

Just a quick question... lets say you work for a police department......lets say NY City Police Department just for the sake of naming someplace... you work there for 6 years and then you leave to take another job.....then a few years later Disney is offering to all current and retired NY City police and their families free admission... do you feel that you would be entitled to free admission because you worked there before?

Yes, especially when an active duty military personnel is injured during war and can NOT re-enlist because of his injuries. Yes, I feel my husband should be entitled to any discounts the military receive.

[JDinCO]

It would be great if all veterans were apart of this deal, but could you imagine the nightmare the CM's would be going through let alone what they are dealing with already? Let alone all the requests for missing DD214s so people could go. At least Disney is doing something.

[MariaEllerºoº]

OMG your kidding me...that is so wrong. My DH was in Iraq as well 04-05, he is still in and will retire, but not the point. You both served our country and your DH is now 30% disabled, there should be something from that. Have you looked into disabled veterans. I know we have a place around here where they meet. I'd look into it, they would know exactly where and what kind of discounts or benefits there are!
Thank-you both for serving, highly appreciated!:thumbsup2

Thank your husband as well for us!!!

[MariaEllerºoº]

It would be great if all veterans were apart of this deal, but could you imagine the nightmare the CM's would be going through let alone what they are dealing with already? Let alone all the requests for missing DD214s so people could go. At least Disney is doing something.

I am happy that Disney is giving a discount to military. They wholeheartedly deserve it!!! I say if you can't produce a DD214 or Military ID then you shouldn't receive the discount.

[justtobeme2]

No - retired is someone who served 20+ yrs - or was career military. They are considered retired veterans. A veteran is someone who served less than 20.

In my husbands case he served 5 1/2 yrs plus the 4 reserve (think it was called inactive reserve or something like that where they can call you back up) Anyhow, he most likely would have gone career but injured his back during Desert Storm and could no longer "technically" jump out of airplanes. Apparently he was an adrenaline junkie since he is now a career firefighter- certainly won't ever hold my breath for TWDC to give them any kind of discount:rotfl: :rotfl:

I believe Disney had the same offer when your hubby was serving so you culd have gone then. In fact I think it might have been an even better offer. I'm sorry you didn't get to go then.

I live in Fayetteville, so I know about the 82nd and being a army brat myself. My brother broke his back on a jump also but continued his military career and retired CSM just a couple of years ago. He was terribly upset he couldn't jump anymore but they told him that if he did he'd most likely end up paralyzed. Thank goodness there were still jobs for him as there were your husband I am sure, of course he had to become a "leg". Having said that I totally understand your hubby getting out. BTW every soldier is on "inactive reserve" status when they ETS. Funny note they sent my 64 year old uncle a "we need you come back" letter...haha...He was a mailman, not sure what they wanted him to do.

[justtobeme2]

I agree with you about purchasing for friends.... I think it should only be for the military member and his/her immediate family...

I disagree because the military member may wish to take his parents or grandparents/girlfriend/fiance or even friends to help him/her enjoy their vacation even more.

[MariaEllerºoº]

I believe Disney had the same offer when your hubby was serving so you culd have gone then. In fact I think it might have been an even better offer. I'm sorry you didn't get to go then.

I live in Fayetteville, so I know about the 82nd and being a army brat myself. My brother broke his back on a jump also but continued his military career and retired CSM just a couple of years ago. He was terribly upset he couldn't jump anymore but they told him that if he did he'd most likely end up paralyzed. Thank goodness there were still jobs for him as there were your husband I am sure, of course he had to become a "leg". Having said that I totally understand your hubby getting out. BTW every soldier is on "inactive reserve" status when they ETS. Funny note they sent my 64 year old uncle a "we need you come back" letter...haha...He was a mailman, not sure what they wanted him to do.


Yea, it was a shame that we weren't able to vacation at that time, but we were scrimping and saving money to fly myself and the children back to Ft. Hood, Texas for when they returned from Iraq. At that point in time that was more important.

My husband lost his hearing, he injured his leg and back and his legs are constantly going out on him. It's getting a lot worse as time goes on.

I'm so sorry to hear about your brother!

[d1gitman]

Why do you feel that you deserve something? I have been to WDW many times and never felt I deserved anything. You have to pay to play. If you don't want to pay rack rates on the weekends then don't go. Disney is in business to make money. It's up to them to offer the discounts. I don't see the point in arguing and complaining about it. Many people go without any discount codes and free dining.

Um...did you read my entire post...obviously the quoted portion of my post, by itself, is out of context.

while I "feel" that i deserve something for being a loyal customer, I don't expect anything or complain about it, as you suggested i do. Read my entire post before commenting..thx.

[d1gitman]

Yes, they do include friends.

According to the press release from Disney:


Quote:
As Disney Parks ask "What Will You Celebrate?" and invite guests to turn their personal milestones into magical family vacations in 2009, America's military personnel will have one more reason to celebrate: Free multi-day admission to Disney's U.S. theme parks.
With the "Disney's Armed Forces Salute" offer, active and retired U.S. military personnel, including active and retired members of the United States Coast Guard and activated members of the National Guard or Reservists, can enjoy complimentary, multi-day admission into Disney's U.S. theme parks, great rates at select Walt Disney World Resort and Disneyland Resort hotels, and additional special ticket offers for family members and friends.

"For so many of the men and women who serve in our U.S. military, time together with their families is cause enough for celebration," said Jay Rasulo, chairman of Walt Disney Parks and Resorts. "We are grateful for their service and hope 'Disney's Armed Forces Salute' will allow our troops to create wonderful, magical memories with their family and friends."

Thank you collcass for the Press release info.


Suzanne


tsk..tsk...tsk...seems like Mattsmommy jumps the gun on commenting on posts...

[d1gitman]

I was thinking the same thing!!!! It seems to me that Disney can not win especially here on the DIS.

seem like us DIS'rs can't win. before you jump on the bandwagon, read my entire post...Mattsmommy is taking an excerpt from my post and it is out of context on it's own.

[Mich Mouse]

This is the DIS...Let's extend the magic of WDW to one another!:goodvibes

Feel the LOVE.:love:

[Lilolvr]

Isn't the 4/3 discount available to anyone? How much more do you want than that? That's a 40% discount plus $200 gift card.

[CanadianGuy]

Isn't the 4/3 discount available to anyone? How much more do you want than that? That's a 40% discount plus $200 gift card.

Technically.. 43%. ;) which for a 7 day trip is a better deal than the 40% discount etc.

[GrumpyFamilyof5]

Isn't the 4/3 discount available to anyone? How much more do you want than that? That's a 40% discount plus $200 gift card.
wow you really get the $200 gift card as well?? Didn't know that, guess I need to read up on it. I'd love to do this 4/3, but we're going to Disney 4/5 days then the other 2 we're going to Universal. I almost would like to say staying at Disney longer with the card is worth it, but I've heard that staying onsite for Universal is your best bet as far as lines.....:confused3
oh, so much to think about, so little time, better get my coffee and get to work:surfweb: ;)

[nbodyhome]

Agreed.
:thumbsup2
Disney is a great value, We love it and find no reason to complain.

As a passholder (and I've been going to WDW for over 30 years, former TA, etc.), I realize that discounts are given when there are rooms available.

If Disney is booked, then there aren't many discounts. As someone said, supply and demand. September usually has more discounts than any other time, because kids are back to school and there are many rooms available.

[DWFan4Life]

Why do you feel that you deserve something? I have been to WDW many times and never felt I deserved anything. You have to pay to play. If you don't want to pay rack rates on the weekends then don't go. Disney is in business to make money. It's up to them to offer the discounts. I don't see the point in arguing and complaining about it. Many people go without any discount codes and free dining.

Yes, it depends to Disney if when they will offer discounts and it's up to us to figured it out and grab that thing. Well, I have been to WDW too and it's worth it for me. My kids really love going there. :)

[Charleneluvsdisney]

Well I am disappointed with the non-AP discounts for the weekends also. We are DVC, and point stretchers, so staying on the weekend with the AP was the way to go.

We are now going back to our pre AP days and are using Priceline on the weekends.

I will be staying at the Hyatt Grand Cyprus for $84 a night instead of $135 for Pop. I hope the Hyatt is nice, as I will never pay $135 a night for Pop!

[rt2dz]

As a summary to this thread (on-topic)…

I buy the APs because we go every year for 10 days. The second trip is always before the expiration of the AP, so we get in two years (20 days) off one ticket. It’s the cheapest way to go; especially since we would never be without the hopper option.

I have no problem with people who buy APs to get discounts on rooms. I just think it is silly to buy in advance in hopes of future AP room discounts. I also think it is fine to buy an AP for the free parking if staying offsite if the ticket and paying for parking would cost you more money in the long run. I have no problem with people you buy the AP for other perks, such as the savings of getting a Tables in Wonderland card. Of course, in these cases you only need one AP. The point is it is smart to run the numbers all across the board to see how you pay the lowest bottom line.

Our last few trips we didn’t use the AP discount. GP codes saved us more money. I basically have 11 tickets for our family of 5 (and the “baby” just turned 3 after our last trip) sitting around because we’ve been getting packages. And no free dining, as that costs us more money than a room only discount and paying for dining OOP. Yup, a package with tickets cost less than a room with the AP discount even though we didn’t need tickets. Oh well.

If Disney’s prices are getting too high, go offsite. That will send them the biggest message loud and clear. People still coming into their parks, but not their resorts. They may not lower their rates, but they might quit raising them. Yes, I prefer to be onsite too. But what perks do you use? The busses? Many offsite hotels offer transportation. Maybe a good deal on a rental car with the lower hotel rate (and still free parking with that AP lol) will still save you money. Packages can be delivered to the front of the park, and then you’ll get them that night without a trip to the gift shop required. You’ll be encouraged to eat offsite, saving you money. You want the EMHs? Stay at the Hilton! Actually, since doing away with the wrist bands, the clogging and encouragement of offsite guests to stay and shop (and many slipping on rides), I don’t even think it is all that worth it anymore. And all the good touring advice says to avoid EMH anyhow.

Disney has been cutting back on everything, not just AP perks. The AP perks being cut down doesn’t bother me anywhere near as much as the level of service that is going downhill.

[StrwLady]

wow you really get the $200 gift card as well?? Didn't know that, guess I need to read up on it.

The gift card is only give if you book the 4/3 on select dates.

From Disney's web site...

Plus, when you travel between 2/9 - 3/29/09, you'll also get a $200 Disney Gift Card

[tinkfan4ever]

I also hate that the AP discount is only for Sun-Thurs ressies! Also, EMH in the morning has been a joke for our last 8 trips. (past 3 years). Not once were we ever asked to show our room keys to get in early to the parks (and I'm talking being the first ones in line to open the park). Staying off-site is becoming a greater option with the prices of the values getting so expensive. Yes we do use the disney buses (and will continue to do so since we are ticket holders) but we also have free parking at the parks with our APs. I think Disney will lose a lot of quick weekend trips from AP holders which could hurt their business. They'd make a lot more money giving a room only discount for AP holders, get them at the resort spending money and at the parks spending money. Maybe when the freebee offers go away they will start it again. I know even at Christmas and New Years in 08 they weren't as busy as 07. Time will only tell..... for me it's only 5 months till we are closer to the mouse and won't need a hotel room anymore. YEAHHHHH!:banana: :cheer2: :banana: :cheer2: :banana:

[dclfun]

I agree, but it's just especially hard for DVC members who count on AP rates to finish out the week once they leave their villa. I'm not saying all DVC members do this, but many choose not to waste points with expensive weekend rates and move to other resorts on Friday and Saturday.

That's what I said before that is actually likely the reason that AP discounts have changed to exclude weekends. Many DVC members are also AP holders who try to maximize their points by staying Fri/Sat nights with cash (that would be me too). This then leaves the resorts with space to fill on Sun-Thursday and guests who wish to pay cash for a week unable to find weekend availability. I'm sure many local guests are also AP holders who come for a weekend and thus the same issue occurs. I figure blocking weekend discounts makes better financial sense for WDW- DVC members are still likely to pay more for weekend cash ressies to conserve their points and locals will still come on the weekend to enjoy the resorts/parks on their days off work. I've now tried to look at the weekly rate for my DVC vs. cringing everytime I see the difference between S-Th vs. Fri-Sat points or just realize that often I'll pay more or have to downgrade my resort choice if I'm paying cash for the weekends.---Kathy

[Big Nana 212]

Hello again DIS friends....

I am less mad today after sleeping on it. I think once the initial shock wore off I could see things more in perspective. But I have to admit I do feel a little bit like Clark Griswold when he opened up his Jelly of the Month Club. :rotfl: When you are use to having an AP discount for all nights of your vacation, and then they suddenly cut out the weekends, it is a bit shocking. But I guess nothing in life is for sure. We went ahead and booked Pop Century. It's not really what I want, but since we are only there a couple of days before spending a week in a 2-bedroom villa I really don't have anything to be upset about. The kids love Pop, so they are excited.

Only 68 days to go!!! :cool1:
Hi Erika,

Ah, yes! Pop Century....my value resort of choice. Stayed there Sun thru Tues before moving to OKW earlier this month. $49 on AP discount!

[DISNEYSIX]

OK, so let's say that Disney gives you AP holders, vets and others who deem they "deserve" a better rate what you want and they go bankrupt? Are you happy now? Maybe WD sees you AP holders as the equivalent of their stock holders and since you obviously reaped extra benefits of a good economy, it is now time to suck it up and get less benefits given the bad economy. I would imagine that once the economy improves and WD's profits rise, your extra AP perks will return. As for me, I am just happy that WD has survived the worst economic crisis since the Great Depression and that my 4 kids will be able to visit and experience the magic this September (3 for the first time).:)

[CRZY4DIS]

Am I reading correctly that veterans or those of "inactive" duty, such as ones who fought in the Vietnam war are excluded from this discount?

[vettechick99]

It's a sad, sad day when even the people starring in the Disney Travel Channel shows can't get good discounts! Erika, you need to call those producers and shake things up!

:)

We will be there the first weekend of March and there are no discounts for us - unless we can swing the 4/3 promotion which we can't (just a weekend trip).

After 25+ trips onsite, this may be my first one staying off!

[k&a&c'smom]

I'm right there with you, TigrLvsPooh, I'm so disgusted with this weekend blackout! I'm going to book the Dolphin for my weekend days, and I almost never stay in a non-Disney resort. I'm sorry, but $150+tax/night for Pop?! They gotta be kidding me! I can get the Dolphin for $165+tax/nt.

I'm always surprised when someone posts how disappointed they are with a promotion, and half the respondents say "gee, you should just be glad you get to go!"; or, "hey, you should just be thankful you get any discount at all!" They cite the fact that Disney is a business for this "you should kiss their shoes" theory! Well, we have our own business, and nobody comes into our business and says "hey, I don't care if you're givin' the guy down the street a discount, but not me - charge me whatever you like, I'm just thankful you let me come in here at all!" Ridiculous.

Yes, Disney is a business. Yes, the economy is tough. All the more reason that most travel destinations are offering more discounts, not less! I don't know anyone who isn't trying to maximize their bang-for-the-buck. Most AP holders understand they aren't guaranteed a discount; but it's a slap in the face to offer one that is so much less than other discounts for the same period.

I bought my APs this time around just two days before the 4/3 deal was offered - two days! I couldn't believe my bad luck! The 4/3 deal is offered to everyone, yes (as a pp pointed out); but if you are an AP holder, you have to pay for tickets that you won't use, at least for another year. I called to ask if I could return my AP vouchers, since they were unused, but no dice. I could almost hear them saying "tough cookies, you missed the boat" - kinda like a lot of the comments on this thread!

Can you tell I'm kinda peeved? Sorry! Rant over.

[frisco]

People with no AP, who are doing the 4/3 deal are getting a much better price than I am and I've been to WDW 4 times in the last year. That makes no sense. I'm already stuck with 1-day tickets from last October I was forced to buy so I could do the Bounceback offer. It's just a lot of nonsense.

I have an AP, but I don't hold a grudge against people whose 4/3 deal worked out better.

I don't know. I always look for the best offer and I do think Disney's pricing difference for different guests is very poor, but what's the point in complaining? It is what it is. I can either deal with it or go someplace else. I still feel as though no matter how much I spend at Disney, it's a better deal than many other places.

[rt2dz]

I'm right there with you, TigrLvsPooh, I'm so disgusted with this weekend blackout! I'm going to book the Dolphin for my weekend days, and I almost never stay in a non-Disney resort. I'm sorry, but $150+tax/night for Pop?! They gotta be kidding me! I can get the Dolphin for $165+tax/nt.

I'm always surprised when someone posts how disappointed they are with a promotion, and half the respondents say "gee, you should just be glad you get to go!"; or, "hey, you should just be thankful you get any discount at all!" They cite the fact that Disney is a business for this "you should kiss their shoes" theory! Well, we have our own business, and nobody comes into our business and says "hey, I don't care if you're givin' the guy down the street a discount, but not me - charge me whatever you like, I'm just thankful you let me come in here at all!" Ridiculous.

Yes, Disney is a business. Yes, the economy is tough. All the more reason that most travel destinations are offering more discounts, not less! I don't know anyone who isn't trying to maximize their bang-for-the-buck. Most AP holders understand they aren't guaranteed a discount; but it's a slap in the face to offer one that is so much less than other discounts for the same period.

I bought my APs this time around just two days before the 4/3 deal was offered - two days! I couldn't believe my bad luck! The 4/3 deal is offered to everyone, yes (as a pp pointed out); but if you are an AP holder, you have to pay for tickets that you won't use, at least for another year. I called to ask if I could return my AP vouchers, since they were unused, but no dice. I could almost hear them saying "tough cookies, you missed the boat" - kinda like a lot of the comments on this thread!

Can you tell I'm kinda peeved? Sorry! Rant over.

I have to say, that is part of the reason I never buy APs in advance. Actually, I don't buy AP vouchers at all. I buy MYW tickets at a discount (usually something the day I leave & then pick-up at a broker’s will call) and then upgrade after first use.

I also don't begrudge the way they discount. Some stores give discounts to frequent shoppers. Some give to anyone on a mailing list. Some give to those who don't buy often, but are in the database to bring them in. Any way they choose to discount is fine. Not all businesses do discount at all.

However, their prices are high, and I don't believe I should be happy "just to be there." Please. They're getting my money and in this economy they should be extra happy about that. But I have choices. Staying onsite isn't what it used to be with all their budget cuts. Really, the dining plan isn't very cost effective (for us), I use the package delivery isn't that great since you still have to pick it up at the gift shop after 3 PM the next day, we always have a car and there are other modes of transportation for those that don't and EMH will the new system is slow--I'd rather avoid the crowds.

[maxiesmom]

Maybe I'm strange, but I only plan on going to Disney when I can afford to pay for it without having to depend on getting a future discount. Which may or may not happen.

Disney does not have to give anyone any kind of discount. None of us are entitled to one. Do you go yell at the grocery store for having a Saturday only sale, and you want to buy groceries on Wednesday?:confused3 Do you go down to the local bar at 10pm and yell at them for having to pay full price when they had early bird drink specials earlier in the day?:confused3

You know, I could be bitter too. I am planning 2 short trips to Disney this year. I have received both a pin code in the mail, and the e-mail for the $500 off. And I can use neither of them for my trips! The dates are all wrong! Out of the 2 trips I am taking, I could get a discount on 1 night. One. But I don't blame Disney for my misfortune, and I don't think they owe me a discount.

I also own 2 different Disney passes right now. One is a 10 day hopper that has 2 days left on it. One is a 4 day hopper that I didn't use (cause I already had the other pass) that I am upgrading to an AP this July. But it isn't Disney's fault that I will have a pass with 2 days left on it sitting in my dresser drawer for at least another year. It was my choice, no one forced me to purchase a pass.

Sorry, you can be mad if you want to. but I think it is silly to be mad at Disney for not offering an AP discount that suits you, when AP discounts are not promised at any time!

[tiger4me2]

Am I reading correctly that veterans or those of "inactive" duty, such as ones who fought in the Vietnam war are excluded from this discount?

If they stay in & retire yes they can use the military discount if not no they can't, unfair? I guess it is but look at from Disney side. Costing them alot so I am told but serving our country is not free either. I have no easy answer to this as my DH & DB served not drafted & both can use it. Dh & myself are using it but DB isn't but he is not a Disney freak. The deal we have if I visit him he will go to Disney with us but I know him too well. After I visit he will say he won't go lol

[k&a&c'smom]

rt2dz - good point about buying tickets in advance, I live in a small town and usually pick up vouchers at the Disney store when I make a trip to the City! I'm curious about your ticket strategy - what ticket media do you purchase? Do you buy the longest non-AP ticket, then upgrade to an AP? Do you use it first so that you get the full face value? (sorry for being off-topic!) That's an idea I've never thought of before.

maxiesmom - well, I've never yelled at Disney at all, I'm posting my frustration on a website designed for posting questions, discussing options and frustrations! I will add, in your example, I've got the same opportunity as anyone else to drink my drinks at happy hour rather than 10 p.m., or buy my groceries on Saturday rather than Wednesday, so it's not exactly the same thing.

I take your point, though, and I agree, to an extent. I have the option of taking my business elsewhere, which is what I have done. I don't think that disliking a Disney policy makes me bitter - just irritated! ;)

[rt2dz]

There are no bonuses to buying in advance. If a good deal comes out, then you’re stuck with extra tickets. Spending your money sooner just gives Disney your money all that much sooner. They get to earn interest off of it instead of you.

Which ticket I buy varies. There are always lots of variables to it. My family is on different AP schedules and that is something I’m considering changing to stream line things. So, we are currently on the 4/3 deal, and will remain so unless something better comes along. I’m booked with 9-day base tickets with the no expiration option. This ticket provides the maximum discount at the lowest price. Two of us need APs, but everyone else is good, so there is no reason to go above that, but with 3 free days, I’m maximizing my discount. We’ll save $105.43 on the AP upgrade, but spend $34.14 less than a 10-day base ticket with no expiration (which would only save me one cent more towards the AP). So for the three that don’t need tickets, I’m not giving Disney ~$100 any sooner than need be. When it is time to buy the rest of the family APs, we’ll still get that $105.43 savings, PLUS however much APs have increased in price since then. Did I lose you?

However, if a good deal with the package isn’t around and I don’t have other extra, non-used tickets sitting around, I will take the same factors into consideration. Which ticket is being sold for the maximum value at the least expensive price. Undercover Tourist and Tickets at Work often run little specials: buy x days, get x days free. If it’s good, that’s what I get. I just do a will-call pick-up; I always have a car. But you can pay to have tickets delivered to your resort. The other thing I always look at is DH’s HR department. His company offers a sizable discount on tickets. Of course, they have what they have. They make quarterly purchases and when they sell out, they sell out. They do not stock everything. The best ticket they had that gave the biggest value at a little price was a 7-day PH with WP&M.

[redcubfan]

Hi everyone. Just thought I'd vent a little regarding the discounts for some but not all. We have taken our children twice and would love to go again, but we have yet to "qualify" for any discounts at all because we stay in the campground. I was told not to expect discounted packages for campers because the campground is almost always full. We are driving from the middle part of the country, so we have to bring a travel trailer so we can camp at state parks along the way and not eat out to save a little money. I love Fort Wilderness and have no complaints about it whatsoever, but I do wish the folks at Disney would extend some of the same discounts (such as the buy 4 get 3) to those of us who stay in the Disney campground, and not just those that stay in the other resorts. We also can't reserve a campsite through anyone but Disney, so that prevents us from booking from an outside agent to save a little money too. Thanks for listening!!

[SonicGuy]

I have been a member on this site for a couple of years now. I read these boards EVERY night, but post rather infrequently. The tone and negativity of SO many of the members drives me nuts. If you don't belive me check out the thread about DVC changing the point charts - and yes, I am a DVC member.

I would love it if all of the people who threaten to stop going to Disney truly would. Maybe then I would not have to wait 2 hours for my DD's to see Tink!

It amazes me that people do not understand the basics of supply and demand. Believe me - if Disney needs to fill a room, they will do what they need to. It makes more sense now who all of those people that I run into in WDW that are sooo intense, so uptight, that just seem to charge through crowds like a bunch of bulls - they are these same very people on these boards.

WDW and the Orlando area offer something for everyone and something for EVERY budget. If it peeves you off so bad - stay home! I personally want to take the time and sit on a bench and just enjoy being in my "happy place". Can't really do that if I'm still ticked that Disney only GAVE ME A DISCOUNT for part of my trip.

If you can't afford it - find something else. Plain and simple.

[Mich Mouse]

:goodvibes I have been a member on this site for a couple of years now. I read these boards EVERY night, but post rather infrequently. The tone and negativity of SO many of the members drives me nuts. If you don't belive me check out the thread about DVC changing the point charts - and yes, I am a DVC member.

I would love it if all of the people who threaten to stop going to Disney truly would. Maybe then I would not have to wait 2 hours for my DD's to see Tink!

It amazes me that people do not understand the basics of supply and demand. Believe me - if Disney needs to fill a room, they will do what they need to. It makes more sense now who all of those people that I run into in WDW that are sooo intense, so uptight, that just seem to charge through crowds like a bunch of bulls - they are these same very people on these boards.

WDW and the Orlando area offer something for everyone and something for EVERY budget. If it peeves you off so bad - stay home! I personally want to take the time and sit on a bench and just enjoy being in my "happy place". Can't really do that if I'm still ticked that Disney only GAVE ME A DISCOUNT for part of my trip.

If you can't afford it - find something else. Plain and simple.


You do realize you are now participating in the very same thing that irritates you? This stuff can suck you in.

Don't let negativity get to you and your happy place. Just avoid those posts with the pot stirring drama.

And you are right about the tone of some posts but it is not everywhere, and it is avoidable.:goodvibes

[SonicGuy]

:goodvibes


You do realize you are now participating in the very same thing that irritates you? This stuff can suck you in.

Don't let negativity get to you and your happy place. Just avoid those posts with the pot stirring drama.

And you are right about the tone of some posts but it is not everywhere, and it is avoidable.:goodvibes

Thank you for calling me out. As soon as I posted that I realized that I had been sucked in - and I definitely DID NOT feel better after posting. I guess it's back to posting once every 6 months or so....

[Charleneluvsdisney]

I haven't read this entire thread, but did post some dissapointment at the beginning of it.

But, my main point is exactly what the previous poster said. Disney offers many choices for everyone. That is why I will continue to never stay on my DVC points for the weekend, and will now continue to choose priceline for my weekend stays to avoid paying rack rate for rooms. To me the value is not there. That is my opinion and choice. - and I do understand supply and demand - if others want to pay it - go ahead!

I also look at it this way - by stretching my points I am able to go twice a year. If I didn't do that, and used my points on the weekends, I would only be able to go once. Disney should be happy that I do what I do, since I am spending my hard earned cash 2 times a year instead of one. We love our vacations and would be sad if we could only go once a year, so we do what we have to do to go as many times as possible. Raising points and not allowing discounts on the weekend, will force me to stay elsewhere. Yes, I am dissapointed, but this is how my family deals with it.

[k&a&c'smom]

rt2dz - thanks for the tip! No, you didn't lose me, it makes perfect sense. I'm gonna remember that for the next time we need tickets - a year from now, unfortunately! ;)

We do buy tickets from Undercover Tourist for our guests, when we take someone with us, but since it is rarely the same person, we don't get non-expiring tickets for them.

SonicGuy - I'm not going to debate anything on this thread - that wasn't my purpose, to prove I'm right. But I thought I'd point out, you don't know me, or anyone else who posts here. Nothing I say should affect you in any way.

I'm not, in fact, one of those people who charge through life, ticked off that I didn't get what I deserve. I'm a very laid-back, easy-going person. I don't care who brings back their mugs for refills, I don't care who hops pools, I don't care if you fill up your ice chest from the ice maker! ;) I concentrate on my own trip, and enjoy life. It's way too short to do otherwise.

But, when I have something that bugs me, I sometimes post about it on this board. After that, if I choose to go to Disney anyway, I go and have a good time. I don't dwell on whether I got a better deal than anyone else. If you've seen the OP's Disney special, I think you can tell that she and her family are the same way - they go, they have fun, they aren't out ruining anyone's good time!

Good luck, I hope your next visit you do not run into so many negative people! :sunny:

[maxiesmom]

Hi everyone. Just thought I'd vent a little regarding the discounts for some but not all. We have taken our children twice and would love to go again, but we have yet to "qualify" for any discounts at all because we stay in the campground. I was told not to expect discounted packages for campers because the campground is almost always full. We are driving from the middle part of the country, so we have to bring a travel trailer so we can camp at state parks along the way and not eat out to save a little money. I love Fort Wilderness and have no complaints about it whatsoever, but I do wish the folks at Disney would extend some of the same discounts (such as the buy 4 get 3) to those of us who stay in the Disney campground, and not just those that stay in the other resorts. We also can't reserve a campsite through anyone but Disney, so that prevents us from booking from an outside agent to save a little money too. Thanks for listening!!

I know it seems like campers get the short end of the stick at Disney. Unfortunately if Disney were to extend those kinds of discounts to the camp sites, you would have people booking the sites just to get all the benefits when they have not intention of camping. Actually, it already happens. A post will pop up every few months from someone who had the great idea of booking a Disney campsite just for the EMH benefits.:sad2:

Anyway, that is at least part of the reason why you won't find discounts or great deals for the Disney campsites.

[redcubfan]

Thanks, maxiesmom. You've offered a better explanation than any of the numerous CM I've talked to lately! I guess I can see how someone would book a campsite just to make it look like they're staying in a Disney resort, but they obviously have more money than I do!! haha A campsite is more expensive during the buy4/get3 promotion than a Value resort room, according to the rep I spoke with yesterday. Unfortunately, if not for my travel trailer, I couldn't afford to make the trip at all. I believe that's called irony. :)

[mickeysbestfriend]

I have to wonder what discontinuing the AP discounts on weekends will eventually cost Disney. The 4/3 deal is great for people who have a full week to spend there but off season with the economy the way it is, I doubt that Disney can fill the rooms without the AP's loyalty. These people pay for the rooms they are currently giving away. The buy AP's that allow Disney to bank that money. The eat at the sit down service restuarants and buy merchandise. They bring family and friends to experience the magic of Disney! What happens when the 4/3 ends? And they stop giving away dining plans?

We still think the AP's are a good deal with our DVC discount and the number of days we will still spend there but then again...we used to think they were GREAT!

[wdwprncess77]

Hi Everyone - I post rarely but wanted to post a "happy" note on here. I didn't read through this whole thread, but I just booked AP discounted rooms. When I first called they told me that I couldn't get discounted Fri & Sat room. I, too, was irritated. I wanted to consult the room rates with the rest of my party and then decided just to take a look online at the AP part of disneyworld.com Well, there I was able to get Friday and Saturday at the AP room instead of rack rate. I booked it there. Ironically I had to change the ressie several times after that and when I called back and said I booked online b/c they had better rates, the woman told me that the last person I spoke to was wrong b/c they have AP rates for the weekends available and that I had to give them the correct code. Honestly, I think they just want to which guests they can get to spend more money. But they are available, so book away!!!

[aubriee]

I have to wonder what discontinuing the AP discounts on weekends will eventually cost Disney. The 4/3 deal is great for people who have a full week to spend there but off season with the economy the way it is, I doubt that Disney can fill the rooms without the AP's loyalty. These people pay for the rooms they are currently giving away. The buy AP's that allow Disney to bank that money. The eat at the sit down service restuarants and buy merchandise. They bring family and friends to experience the magic of Disney! What happens when the 4/3 ends? And they stop giving away dining plans?

We still think the AP's are a good deal with our DVC discount and the number of days we will still spend there but then again...we used to think they were GREAT!

Me too! I go to WDW 3-5 times a year and used to always use an AP discount. I went this past Sept and used the free dining code, for my upcoming trips I am using the buy 4 get 3 nights free deal in May, bounce back free dining in Sept, and a 40% off code for my Dec trip. I guess I am using my AP just for park admission this year. It's still a good deal, but not near as good as when I was getting great room discounts with it.:mad:

Oh, one more thing, I normally go for 8-9 nights every trip but with the codes I got for this year I'm going one-two days less. For each trip, I go with the room discount that save us the most money and for 2009 it's not the AP codes.