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Candace
02-03-2001, 06:58 PM
I am not trying to incite anyone here. I was just at the Budget Board and a woman posted about their trip. She rented points from a member for 3 nights, and she, her husband, and four children stayed in a 1BR at OKW. Interesting, huh?

Richyams
02-03-2001, 07:36 PM
I think that if that is TRULY your concern, then the right thing to do would be to get a two bedroom and only use the living room and master bedroom. This way, the proper number of guests at the resort would remain constant and it wouldn't over fill any of the rescreation activities, the resturuant, or any of the other reasons that we have rules.

6 in a one bedroom is blatently breaking the rules.

"From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs", Karl Marx, pretty sick, huh?

kem330
02-03-2001, 07:50 PM
If you are that worried about your kids, why don't one of you sleep in the studio, with 1 child, put 2 in LR and 1 with other parent in master? JK - Sorry -I couldn't resist the suggestion.
Actually my only negative impression of BWV is why have a 1BR that doesn't sleep anymore than a studio. I believe it would be a much better arrangement and value to offer 1 bedrooms with 2 double/queen beds instead of a king. Like hotel units, they could have a mix of king and 2 bed units in the 1 BR. Is this just one more way for Disney to make money?

jennybobenny
02-03-2001, 07:52 PM
Zurgswife, I'm not passing judgement, just curious. When you made the reservation with member services did you say there would be a total of 6 in the 1 bedroom? After the infamous 5-in-1 debate we know that 5 is allowed, but I'm not sure if we have any experience with 6. What about at check in? Again, just curious as to any obstacles (or lack thereof) you may have run into with the powers-that-be at DVC/BWV.

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Richyams
02-03-2001, 07:55 PM
Sorry that that sounds rough, but I really deplore the idea of the units being over-crowded and trashed. I think that is a major problem with renting points to people on the rent/trade board also. Many on the budget board that couldn't really afford the accomodations for their party in a delux resort can rent points and over-crowd a DVC resort.

6 in a room is nothing short of abuse. It flies in the face of every paper we signed and I really can't imagine the justification to the kids....well, those room limits are for other people?? is that the proper justification? Or Rules just don't matter? How about, when I sign something, it means nothing?

I do not mean to offend, I just mean to be reasonable. Six people in a one bedroom, sharing one bathroom, 50% over the room limits, simply isn't reasonable.

"From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs", Karl Marx, pretty sick, huh?

dianeschlicht
02-04-2001, 02:34 AM
but I have to agree with Rich here. We pay dues to keep these places up, and I always assumed members were mostly staying in them. Now I understand why some rooms get such hard use. I am sure that if only members stayed knowing there dues go up when things get bad at a resort, they would not over crowd the rooms. I for one would not want 6 people in one bathroom! I could understand if the children were all under 5, but this is not the case here. On our trip in eary December this year, we had a 2BR unit at OKW that took a very long time to be ready for us. The carpet was still wet in many places where they had to clean it to make it presentable for us. All the extra time for cleaning etc. is what makes dues go up. It's kind of like the smoking in a non-smoking room debate. The extra time for cleaning causes dues to rise. I know this was done by a renter, but it just makes me all the more cautious about not renting points. If this is the result, it would not be worth it to me. I feel sorry for the person in the unit below. The extra noise of too many people in too small a space is also a problem. :eek:

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lizanne
02-04-2001, 05:04 AM
I'm not about to enter the debate over the number of people in a room (just call me "chicken"), but the original poster stated that the person stayed at OKW. The times I stayed in a two-bedroom at OKW, it was just that. It wasn't a one-bedroom and a Studio. We stay in the group of buildings immediately after crossing the bridge (I believe 23-26).

Richyams
02-04-2001, 05:42 AM
WHile your reasoning on the face is plausible, how about the papers you signed?

How do you explain to the kids that rules are for other people?

And getting the two bedroom and not letting the kids sleep in the studio WOULD allow you to have enough towels, it would afford an additional bathroom and it would allow you to use your points within the rules.

"From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs", Karl Marx, pretty sick, huh?

Pluto4President
02-04-2001, 05:51 AM
Unfortunately, when points are rented out, it is really unknown what their final use would be for. Personally, I plan never to rent my points. Didn't buy for that reason.

I could see 5 people in a 1 b/r if one were an under say 3, but 6, that is blatant. That would also be the group to end up complaining about service and/or amenities.

Oh well, another good debate for the boards!

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Lisa F
02-04-2001, 05:54 AM
I know that Rich is going to jump all over the post by zurgswife so before I become a "me too" I figured I'd say my peace.

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>1. From the first time that CR knowingly moved our family of 6 into a studio from the Fort Wilderness cabins; I haven't ever given a second thought about placing all of us in a one bedroom for another year. Even our sales agent at this time stated that we'd only need to rent a one bedroom for a few more years. Until the last month of course I never considered it to be a point of contention.
2. It has been clearly stated by other threads that a studio is only for a max of five. Why then did CR place a family of six in studio stating that we would fit because everyone was so young? Disney clearly didn't have a problem.

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Since your youngest is only 4 now I assume that the first time you stayed in DVC your youngest was 3 or younger. Since all occupancy limits are always listed as "4 plus a child under 3" or, in the case of a studio plus "5 plus a child under 3" I am assuming that you told MS that you had a child under 3 (I always thought of "toddler" to mean in the age 2 range) and 5 other people, so they put you in an appropriate unit size. This doesn't mean that you can put 6 in any unit you want, this meant that as long as one of your children is under 3, your family is counted as "5 plus a child under 3".

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>
3. When I make ressies I state I have 3 young children and a toddler. No one has questioned me up to now....Maybe I've been lucky. Or haven't considered my baby under three a person. Since they don't make her pay to get into the park, maybe they didn't count her in the room. When we check in we don't make any secret of the amount of people in the room.
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So when are you going to start telling people at the gate that you require 4 childs tickets instead of 3? When your oldest turns 10? When your oldest turns 10 will you still be buying children's admission for him because when you make your reservations you say you have 4 children? I personally don't buy the argument that when your oldest turns 10 that something magical will happen within your family to make it "safe" for your kids to stay in the second bedroom of a two bedroom. Don't your children have their own bedrooms at home? Do you find it impossible to keep track of them if they don't sleep in the livingroom at home?

If you wanted to follow the rules and having them be "so far away" in the next room was really a concern, bring a baby monitor. But you obviously don't want to follow the rules because, by your own admission, you don't pay for your youngest to enter the park even though she is in the "3-9" range.

I was never one to go for "slippery slope" type arguments. I thought people were being ridiculous or using hyperbole for effect when they were saying things like "well you put 5 in a 1br, how about 6? how about 7? how about 8?" I thought "oh surely people don't do that sort of thing. It's a completely hypothetical argument." I guess I was wrong.

If you're going to break the rules, it's your business... you are the one who has to live with yourself and whatever consequences there are. Please don't flaunt it in the face of those of us who pay for admission for our children because the rules say so or use the extra points for a 2br to abide by DVC's occupancy limits.

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PamOKW
02-04-2001, 06:03 AM
Two things kind of tie together here. I have several concerns about people renting out points to total strangers via the Internet or classified ads. There is really no one holding them accountable or even ensuring they know the "rules" (technically the member is to have them sign something to that effect but I doubt this enforced). Therefore, I'm not suprised to hear 6 in a one-bedroom or for that matter 20 in a Grand Villa. The second is that by being generous and saying an additional child under 3 would be allowed in each unit the floodgates were opened to one extra in a unit....which once that's the norm will lead to 2 extra in a unit (not necessarily with any being under age 3...or age 18 for that matter) being what these "special" people feel entitled to. DVC has indicated they are aware of both of these concerns. I don't think there is much they can do about the rentals but if they choose they can certainly enforce the room policies. Every piece of paper and on-line description of the rooms clearly states how many are allowed in each unit. I would not be surprised to see this addressed within the next year or so.

I agree that sometimes I wish there were 2 beds in the master bedroom. But there aren't and there never were. That is the type of accomodation I agreed to buy and it's not Disney trying to make money....it is Disney trying to develop a luxury vacation experience not a super large hotel room.

For those who feel their extra people/children in a unit don't matter...take a look at the posts about problems with noise sometimes being generated by having 5-6 in a unit next door when it was built for 4. If you spread out 4-6 children in a two bedroom you have your own self-contained "home". If you have 4 children in a studio they can't help but make noise that goes right into the one-bedroom next door (and the unit above and below as well).

The safety question. 1) You knew what you were buying. 2) Do you all sleep in one room at home?

[This message was edited by PamOKW on 02-04-01 at 10:09 AM.]

PamOKW
02-04-2001, 06:16 AM
Let's not get personal with Zurgswife. She has actually done us a favor by pointing out that this does go on and some people see no problem with it. It is DVC that must address the issue and members who want to express their displeasure should do so with DVC, not going head to head with folks breaking the rules. We can't force them to do as the rules say....DVC can.

In these past discussions Rich and I have taken heat for suggesting that 5 in a unit will quickly becomes 6 in a unit. Maybe we aren't so wrong. I completely understand leaving DVC "wiggle room" for special circumstances. However, establishing 6 in a studio as "okay" every time is a very poor idea.

FYI <BLOCKQUOTE><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>My four children are ages 4,6,7,8. [/quote]

That's probably what Lisa "misread". I guess the 3 year old must have a birthday real soon.

Lisa F
02-04-2001, 06:27 AM
Go back and check your original post... you wrote:

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>
My four children are ages 4,6,7,8.
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If your youngest is under 3 and not 4 as you said in your previous post then what I said was based on a misunderstanding.

If the comment about "personal attacks" was aimed at me, I just want to put the disclaimer that what I wrote was NOT a personal attack. I have no idea what kind of person zurgswife is in reality and would never pretend to know. All I did was post based on the facts that she posted and based on the facts she posted she is breaking the rules. That's why I phrased my concerns as questions and not "I bet you're one of THOSE people who does all that, and pulls the wings off of flies also!" ;-)

Once your "under 3 year old" becomes an "over 3 year old" they count as a "real" person and you will be over the occupancy limits for a 1BR by 2 people instead of 1. Maybe putting 5 in a 1BR is still fuzzy territory but 6 should be an outright no-no.

Lisa

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PamOKW
02-04-2001, 06:35 AM
Lisa not aimed at you at all. I've just seen the "path" these threads usually take (end up on the Debate Board) most times. (We've already heard the, "Hey I bet you've gone over the speed limit" arguement which always comes up.) I feel your anger and concern. I'm just suggesting that you express yourself to DVC as well where it might have some result. Arguing with folks who feel they are in the right on this issue because of what they've been able to do in the past gets no where except for them citing personal attack before long.

minnie mouse
02-04-2001, 07:25 AM
I think if people have a problem with the abuse with the "legal" limits I think they should be addressing the DVC board.

When the reservations are made and Disney is aware of the number of people in the room and they are ok with it, and when they ckeck into the room and once again they see the number of people staying in that room and they are ok with it, hey they make the rules so they can break the rules. I'm sure it's not like the guess are sneaking people in the back door or though a window or in a large suitcase...

I have only four people in my family so I guess I will never be breaking the rules. And If I ever take family or friends with I would want them to have the own room. After all I am on vacation and I want to be comfortable.

I guess I just feeling kinda sorry for the people being attacked about "breaking" the occupancy limit when Disney is clearly allowing it. So I think if this is such a sore subject I think the blame should be put on the people not enforcing the limits.

PamOKW
02-04-2001, 07:33 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>When the reservations are made and Disney is aware of the number of people in the room and they are ok with it, and when they ckeck into the room and once again they see the number of people staying in that room and they are ok with it, [/quote]

In many cases I don't believe it is done in the way you suggest. A reservation is made and someone checks in. They don't do a head count to see who is in the group. If the group doesn't feel the need to follow the established limits they also generally don't feel the need to tell anyone what they are doing. I'm not talking so much about the family with very small children (it's DVC's flexibility with this group that is creating a potential problem) but I'm talking about the family with an 11 and 13 year old who bring along one or two guests for each child into a one bedroom or studio or the group of adults who bring 6 into a studio or who decide that they don't really need a GV for 12 when they can fit into a 2 bedroom. These are the abusive situations that need to be monitored and addressed.

SwampFox
02-04-2001, 07:41 AM
Disney in general and DVC specifically has made it clear that they do indeed have some flexibility in allowing more than stated occupancy limits at times. It is one of the ways Disney "creates magic". The problem arises, when those individuals choose to come and flaunt or brag about their experience in forums like this one. The result is that others read into this that "5 is OK in a 1BR" ....or now that "6 is OK". We may actually do ourselves a disservice by reporting these exceptions, since there are many of us who choose to read, believe and adhere to the stated rules, guidelines and contractual agreements we have made.

TnRobin
02-04-2001, 09:16 AM
Just a friendly reminder. :) :) Please keep remarks concerning other peoples integrity out of this discussion. The discussion is on the occupancy limits not on speed limits or when a child should actually pay for a ticket. As we know we all have strong opinions on how the occupancy issue should be handled by DVC. Let's respect each others right to have thier own opinions.

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JudithM
02-04-2001, 09:33 AM
A few comments as I read through this thread ...

*at OKW we have talked to DVC cast members who said owners do just as much damage dollarwise as is done by renters; it is easy to want to blame only the renters, but the facts do not support that argument;

*wet carpet in a unit does not mean the previous guests (owners or renters) messed up or trashed anything; the carpet is sometimes still wet when we check in at OKW, my first concern was that since we were on the ground floor that maybe there was a leak underneath - not the case - I asked a housekeeping supervisor about it & was told housekeeping basically shampoos the carpet between every guest;

*also, regardless of how clean we keep the unit during our stay, we members expect a certain level of show quality/standards when we check in each time; therefore housekeeping does a thorough job

calbayBWV
02-04-2001, 10:32 AM
I think 6 in a one bedroom or studio is too much and is a clear violation of the rules and should not be tolerated.

I dont think that you and your family should be booted out, but should be charged extra for more than five people, irregardless of age, and those funds should be pooled to lower our annual dues.

It amazes me that someone would be so happy to advertise their ignorance of we all have agreed to follow.

I encourage members to aquire the appropriate accomodations and if you are going to brag about breaking the rules, maybe Hillary will give you a pardon when she leaves office in 12 years!

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Halle
02-04-2001, 10:43 AM
Rich and Pam I have never entered into this debate but I feel compelled to support you. I totally agree with your views on this subject. Thank you for voicing your opinions. I also think that perhaps member services should take this issue up with CR,it isn't fair that they are allowing families to break the rules whe we DVCers are footing the bill.

LauraS
02-04-2001, 11:04 AM
sleeping six in a one-bedroom is a blatant violation of the DVC rules. These are the rules that we all signed-on for when we joined the DVC. It really bothers me that members are cramming extra kids/adults into accommodations designed for four people.

My husband and I are going down this spring with 5 additional people and staying in a Grand Villa. How about we invite an extra *11* people and bring our total up to 18 which is 50% over our GV limit of 12. Just like having 6 in a one-bedroom is 50% over the limit. Sure we could do it if we wanted to break the rules. We could easily check in with just our "12" and have the other six sneak up later. We could bring a few air mattresses for the extra people. We could keep washing our towels so we wouldn't alert housekeeping to our violation. Would we actually do this? Of course we wouldn't, because it's clearly stealing and a violation of the contract that we signed with Disney. More importantly, we understand that once a dozen members are allowed to break the rules or break them on their own, well that the DVC will start to go downhill.

What if we *all* did this? It would be a real kick trying to use the pool when it's always jam-packed. Maybe we'd have the fun of waiting 15 minutes for an elevator that isn't full. And the fun of trying to get some sleep with all those extra voices and footsteps running around sounds appealing too.

If the powers-that-be in Disney think that they're creating "magic" by turning the other way while members are blatantly violating the rules, well they sure are wrong. Disney is taking the magic out of it for the rest of us.

chaoskids
02-04-2001, 11:22 AM
I have four children ages 15 through 2. We have never gotten smaller accommodations then the limits allow. I like to have peace and quiet after the children go to bed. We all have a vacation that way but (you knew there was going to be a but)the problem really does rest with the DVC sales people. When we were trying to make the decision on to join or not to join, "squishing" was mentioned several times. A sleeping bag was suggested and the sales person even said your daughter is older she won't be vacationing with you that much longer and then you would easily fit into a 1 br. (In case it was missed that still leaves me traveling with three... boys no less. I really think the sales people are using this as a selling point and it is creating a problem for everyone.

calbayBWV
02-04-2001, 11:41 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> Pam and Rich, I too was one of the people who said "Well if 5 is ok soon it will be 6". Well now my new saying is "Well if 6 is ok soon it will be 7 or 8". [/quote]

This is a dumb argument.

Why dont we lower the limit to 3 in a studio just in case?

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PamOKW
02-04-2001, 11:50 AM
But how do we decide which families are privileged and may have 1-3 more people per unit? Is it based on ignorance of the documents and/or purchasing from salespeople who told them it was okay versus original purchasers whose minimum investment had to be enough for one week in a one-bedroom and who were not advised that it would be okay to overfill the rooms? (In fact, many have said they were specifically told they could not have 5 in a room and that influenced their purchase.)

It's true that the ability to "broadcast" special treatment by Disney has created a problem for the company. They do a guest a favor or grant them something special and soon every guest wants the same treatment. However, when it comes to a community timeshare they have to be even-handed with every single member on the basic rules. Just as they do not grant upgrades unless it is a very special circumstance so should they not allow overbooking. I'm sure they have the same problem in their resorts and I can't believe they don't know how it should be handled. I think they should step up to the plate and establish and enforce guidelines...whatever they may be.

Candace
02-04-2001, 12:50 PM
Gosh, my original post really opened a can of worms! The poster on the Budget Board said they rented the points from "a friend of a friend". Maybe this person knew nothing about occupancy limits (she was thrilled to get the 1BR at OKW for three nights for only $280). BUT, you know the DVC owner knew the rules. Maybe the owner had those points in holding or something and really wanted to get something for them before they expired. At any rate, 6 in a studio or 1BR is wrong, wrong, wrong.

DebbieB
02-04-2001, 01:03 PM
The first step DVC needs to take is to stop telling people in their sales presentations that more than 4 is OK. As long as they keep misleading prospective members, this will never be solved. We know by a post a month or so ago that DVC is still telling prospective buyers that they can have more than 4. That is the root of the problem, not members trying to "cheat". They've told this to so many buyers that they have themselves backed into a corner, but they continue to do it.

Dean
02-04-2001, 01:12 PM
First the comment that we should take this up with DVC is a good one. We can't blame those too much that told MS they would have 5 or 6 in a sleep 4 room or that the guide told them it was ok. The truth is that it really doesn't bother me that much on a limited basis but the last couple of threads on this have suggested that first it's 4, then 5 now 6. I though Rich was just trying to exagerate to prove his point, I guess I was wrong.

The truth is that the technical rule for occupancy is 4/4/8/12 and that even the crib is somewhat of an official stretch. Yes I know we've established that MS and the DVC staff commonly ignores this rule but that doesn't change the rules which are written. The rules can only be changed as established by the by-laws and other legal paperwork.

Dean

dmfuru
02-04-2001, 01:41 PM
I am not a DVC owner, but I read this board frequently. This theme constantly arises.....
Don't you owners have some forum/committee/ board (not this board) that is set up to handle these situations? It seems to me that as owners of the DVC timeshare, you should have the right to a voice within the DVC for such situations.
As a visitor to WDW hotel, I can understand a complaint being handled by the manager or whomever, but if I had lots of money invested in the DVC, I'd want someone (or a group of people) established in a position to serve the owners of the DVC. Is there language in the contract that says Disney can interpret/alter rules as it desires?
Please remember, I have never seen a DVC contract.

kem330
02-04-2001, 02:48 PM
I would never have 5-6 people in a 1BR,as previous posts state the bathroom alone would be a nightmare. But most of these opinions seem to be missing the point- most of the abuses involve families with LITTLE children. It appears to me that that's where Disney is making the exception- for families with children under 3. Although I think 4 kids is too many in a 1br, I see no problem with Disney allowing a third child Under age 3 in a 1BR. You all are acting like this is happening everyday and with rooms crammed with 5-6 adults. If this was the case, I think Disney would be doing something about it. So unless we really have proof of rampant abuse, IMHO we should give it a rest.

* I know - this is how we get our entertainment!

Richyams
02-04-2001, 02:55 PM
I think that the number of people that come in here reporting DVC sales presentations, the number of people that report overfilling the units, CalyBWV, that post on the budget board, all point to the abuses being widespread enough to be worried about it.

I am going to call DVC on monday and AGAIN complain about this, the last time I did, the supervisor swore to me that five were never allowed in any studio, the time before that, the sales manager gave me a different song and dance.

They have to realize that in the internet age, things are different, DVC sales can't say whatever they need to to make the sale...they talk about integrity and rules to some when that is what that sales will take to make, and they say that the rules and limits don't matter if that is what they need to to make the sale.

No, I don't agree at all, from the number of posts here from buyers that say that DVC sales told them this or that and from the number of people that were totally surprised that there even were room limits, I have to say that I think we need to be louder, not quieter!!!!

"From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs", Karl Marx, pretty sick, huh?

kem330
02-04-2001, 03:30 PM
Sorry Rich- Do what you think is necessary- It just seemed that it's the same issue coming up by the same people- so has it really gotten worse? If so I'm behind you! Anyway it brought Calbay out of retirement-welcome back!
P.S. From all the opinions and bantering I get alot of entertainment along with information. We need to allow all opinions to be expressed in as non hostile an environment as possible.

PamOKW
02-04-2001, 03:52 PM
dmfuru -- Bottom line is that we really are dependent upon the DVC Board to make decisions. And the board is comprised of DVC appointees. There is no real "condo" type board where we have a true say. In the long run this is probably a good thing since it allows the experts to run things. However, we have to put our trust in the "experts" to do the right thing. They tend to be responsive to members and to weigh the input they receive with their own surveying methods.

kbp13
02-04-2001, 04:07 PM
Thank Goodness we only have 4 people in our family. I would hate to have the temptation of renting a smaller room than the guidelines require.

By the way the Disney cruises get really expensive with 5 people. Two rooms with (4) adult fares and (1) child fare are required and there is no way to sneak into these rooms. That applies until you buy into a Cat 3 (or 4 I don't remember exactly) which is more than the two room cost.

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calbayBWV
02-04-2001, 04:51 PM
I think that complaining to DVC may work against the lower limit guerillas on this board, so be careful about complaining.

Disney just may make 5 in 1 the official policy.

Right now, 6 people, in my opinion, is NOT ok.

As for this topic rearing its ugly head again? For heaven's sake there really is nothing left to discuss, is there?

After 100 "I did it" posts, and 100 "Should I do it" posts, and 100 "Why DVC" posts, 100 "banking questions" and an endless stream of "Welcome Homes" at some point us need to wallow in the squalor of the wonderful "occupancy" battle.
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reneesam
02-04-2001, 04:56 PM
Kurt-

You raise an interesting point. The reason the cruises do not allow anyone to "sneak in" is per Maritime Law. Every person on the ship, no matter what age, has to have a berth. An infant, even if in a crib, cannot be the 5th person in a 4 person stateroom. That is how they count heads in case of an emergency at sea.

I would expect the same level of safety from a hotel, bed and breakfast, or condominium in which I am staying. In the case of an emergency, God forbid, I would like the "management" to know how many people need to be counted (or found) in my room. Asking how many people are staying there is not an intrusion, it's a matter of safety. And, as I said months ago in a series of similar ugly threads, it was part of a VERY short, VERY clear document I signed my name to.

Renee (in semi-retirement lately but out since it's getting fun again)

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Deb
02-04-2001, 05:16 PM
Anyone going to the parks any time soon? How about attending a member's meeting and bringing it up there?

Richyams
02-04-2001, 05:30 PM
I am going to call and complain AGAIN tomorrow, I would hope that others do also. Maybe we can get them to change the policy to as it is written and what we signed.

I am going to be at OKW the first week of December this year, I will make this the first, second, third, fourth, fifth questions until they capitulate or I get arrested by little mouse police. They will have NO chance at all of evading the question.

"From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs", Karl Marx, pretty sick, huh?

reneesam
02-04-2001, 05:35 PM
Rich-
You go guyfriend!!!! (somehow it loses something in the translation/gender switch!)

I don't think it will be the first time it was brought up at a members meeting(as asked above), but I hope you can get the point across.

How's the valve?
Where's Boston Bill?

;)

Richyams
02-04-2001, 05:42 PM
Its still ticking....loud too.

Here is a funny heart valve story....I am only 38, very young to have this type of procedure...since I am so young, the used a titanium valve instead of a ceramic one. This is supposed to be a real quiet one, its still loud. I mean if you are standing next to me in a quiet room, you will here it. Well, I HAD A DREAM...no not that one, but still a dream that one of my wife's co-workers got the same procedure done, but for some reason he didn't get the quiet valve like I did. He was just too cheap, I tried to tell him that with the $50,000 cost of the operation, an extra $20 for the queit valve was no big deal. But he is cheap, we couldn't even talk at the dinner table over the sound of his cheap valve ticking...

"From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs", Karl Marx, pretty sick, huh?

Richyams
02-04-2001, 05:55 PM
I think that the vast majority of people are blaming Disney, but I also believe that a reasonable person looking at the one bedroom unit would have to assume that it is designed for less then six people.....uhhh, it only has one bathroom...

"From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs", Karl Marx, pretty sick, huh?

[This message was edited by Richyams on 02-04-01 at 10:21 PM.]

WebmasterDoc
02-04-2001, 06:21 PM
OK- this thread has gone way too far. We have had several personal attacks- which have been deleted.

If anyone has anything new to add to the "occupancy" issue, please do so on the <a href="http://wdwinfo.infopop.net/OpenTopic/page?q=Y&a=tpc&s=40009993&f=66009194&m=903090151">Debate Board.</a>

Thanks!

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