disney grand california sale start 1-25-09 for founding members

[sam_001]

hi all i just got my letter today that the villas at Disney grand California go on sale next mouth jan 25 to march 25 2009 for members only. if this is the wrong place to put this thread please move it thanks.

[oakmanner]

Great news! Can't wait to get our letter!

Thanks,
Dennis

[KAT4DISNEY]

Any more info like point charts?

[JimC]

No info other then to call your guide.

[kerickson]

just received the letter too, already have a message into my guide. Kind of funny they would make their biggest west coast announcement on Christmas Eve?

[DebbieB]

hi all i just got my letter today that the villas at Disney grand California go on sale next mouth jan 25 to march 25 2009 for members only. if this is the wrong place to put this thread please move it thanks.

I read it's only members who originally bought at DL.

[dcfromva]

I read it's only members who originally bought at DL.

Yes, that is true (25 Jan -25 Mar 2009) . :)

[Sbacer]

Horray! something else to look foreward too! My husband just today asked about going to DL.

Sandy:banana:

[dcfromva]

I wonder if you get the best deal by making a trip to DL and buying while at DL?

[MagicalPins]

I tried calling my guide 3 times so far today, kept getting voice mail that she was in the office but not avaialbe. I left a message once. Since I live within sight to Disneyland, I made a quick stop at the sales center this afternoon. The people at the front seemed kind of confused. They had not yet been notified of the sale date yet and they had no information at all. I showed them the letter and they said the letter contained more information than they had heard.

Maybe these letters got to us faster than Disney was expecting? Probally just typical Disney with the left hand not talking to the right hand.....

[Michaeljsz]

I got my letter today as well and called our guide at DL and asked here all the normal questions as far as points,add on minimums, and price per point and she said she had no information yet, but did know the letters had gone out. i asked why they sent the letters out before having any really info to pass along and she said from the beggining that alot of founding members who purchased through the DL office and requested as much forward notice as Disney was able to provide so that members could basically get they're ducks in a row so to speak to get ready to purchase when the time comes. So bascially thats all the letters were, just a little friendy heads up that the sale will begin January 25th for founding members. A little friendly advise though to people looking to get founding member status, I was told by our guide that there were a limited number of founding members and once a certain number of people purchased DVC throught the DL sales office that was it, so if people are planning on buying DVC membership at the DL office to get founding member status just get a straight answer from your guide if that program is over and full before buying for that reason alone.

[DVC Mike]

I guess the "late January" date mentioned at the Annual Meeting turned out to be true -- at least for the DLR Founding Members.

[SanDeeKath]

I got my letter here in San Diego too on the 24th. I had coincidentally JUST called my guide about a week ago and she knew nothing about it at the time. So I guess they are not too good at informing their sales staff.

Anyway, they are gonna get a LOT of phone calls about this in the coming month so I hope they shape up and get some info about seasons and prices to the guides!

Kat

[DisneyWalker44]

There's really no reason to call guides for information. They don't/won't know anything that isn't posted on the internet information sites.

[MagicalPins]

There's really no reason to call guides for information. They don't/won't know anything that isn't posted on the internet information sites.

Sorry, but I'm going to keep bugging my guide daily until she has information for me. The letter said "Call your Vacation Club guide (Name and phone number) today to learn more about this unprecedented opportunity, and be sure to ask for details about a special gift for Founding Members."

If Disney is sending me letters telling me to call my guide for info, I will be calling daily for info until I get it. If the sales guides complain to the higher ups that they told people to call them for info when they have none, hopefully that will speed up the release of information.

[kerickson]

I agree that it's poor planning to send out Christmas Eve telling the receiver to 'call their Guide today', then not provide training to those guides. I think they were behind in planning but had to send out anyway - to make sure they arrive by the 25th to legally announce 90 days before the release to general members...otherwise they'd have to delay their sale dates...

[SanDeeKath]

Oh, and since the minimum add on points are going to be 100 starting January, does this mean we can't buy under 100 at GCV either??? That's a bit of a problem since I don't see us needing quite so many points at Disneyland.

Katherine

[ToodlesRN]

Hi Katherine:flower3:

I still haven't got my letter yet, but thanks to the dis I will be calling my guide at DL to remind her that we want to add on. Hopefully a points chart comes out soon so we all can decide how many points to buy and how much the annual dues will cost:scared1:

[nunzia]

Oh, and since the minimum add on points are going to be 100 starting January, does this mean we can't buy under 100 at GCV either??? That's a bit of a problem since I don't see us needing quite so many points at Disneyland.

Katherine
That is my B I G question, and also, if we can still slice our purchase into chunks.

[DisneyWalker44]

If the sales guides complain to the higher ups that they told people to call them for info when they have none, hopefully that will speed up the release of information. I think you don't quite grasp the status of guides in the Disney food chain, and how little higher-ups care about their complaints.

But let's all hope the info comes out soon.

[Castaway Kev]

I heard on the Dis Unplugged Podcast a while back that DVC was looking to up their points to around $150/pt. Generally, their information is spot on. They didn't jack up the prices for Bay Lake. I'm wondering if they are thinking the per point price will go up for Grand Californian.

It seems to me that there is too little supply and too much demand. In economic terms, that means that the price goes up.

If the points are $140 to $150 per point, does that effect your decision to buy?

[kerry_mf]

There is no way the market is going to support $150 a point. Espcially in today's economy.

[ccoymsrd]

Good news for someone - here is one founding member that won't be doing an add-on. We live so close to DL that DH would never consider staying there a true "vacation"! I initially thought it would be fun to do a small add-on, but now that the minimum add-ons are increasing, that idea is out. I guess now I'll just wait for Hawaii!! :thumbsup2

[KAT4DISNEY]

Good news for someone - here is one founding member that won't be doing an add-on. We live so close to DL that DH would never consider staying there a true "vacation"! I initially thought it would be fun to do a small add-on, but now that the minimum add-ons are increasing, that idea is out. I guess now I'll just wait for Hawaii!! :thumbsup2

From everything I've heard the minimum add on increase is only at BLT. All others are still at 25 pts, although nothing has been announced at GCV yet. Since they're limiting founding members to 160 I suspect they will allow add on's of less than 100. Just my speculation of course.

I haven't decided yet what we will do. I did receive my letter today though! :thumbsup2 It will depend on the point cost and charts.

[bethy]

Subscribing and anxious to learn more ASAP!

[kerickson]

My heart just sank when I read the post about $150 per point. That would definitely impact our purchase ability. That would mean a 44% price increase in 1 year. Given their price increase history, I can't believe they'd do that, especially in this economy. I think it's more likely the points per stay would be higher. I'm still hoping for $112, I've pretty much given up hope for an incentive.

[ccoymsrd]

From everything I've heard the minimum add on increase is only at BLT. All others are still at 25 pts, although nothing has been announced at GCV yet. Since they're limiting founding members to 160 I suspect they will allow add on's of less than 100. Just my speculation of course.

I haven't decided yet what we will do. I did receive my letter today though! :thumbsup2 It will depend on the point cost and charts.

Hmmmmm - if I can do a 25 point add-on, I may be in!!!

Now that I received my letter too, it feels like I really "need" to do an add-on!! :rotfl2:

[Tozzie]

My heart just sank when I read the post about $150 per point. That would definitely impact our purchase ability. That would mean a 44% price increase in 1 year. Given their price increase history, I can't believe they'd do that, especially in this economy. I think it's more likely the points per stay would be higher. I'm still hoping for $112, I've pretty much given up hope for an incentive.

I doubt that the price is going up to $150 per point, the rumors were $180 per point for BLT and that was way off. I wish they would just publish the point charts and the MF for the VGC

[bethy]

If the points are $140 to $150 per point, does that effect your decision to buy?

No way would we buy at that price unless the points per night required were very low. We'd buy a new car instead and stay at DLH, PPH and Hojo's. We actually don't love the GCH theme all that much anyway. If the point costs and member dues are reasonable then we'll buy about 50 pts I'm guessing.

[Pennyguy23]

Did everyone get the letter or just people who are able to purchase in the beginning?

[ACDSNY]

Did everyone get the letter or just people who are able to purchase in the beginning?
Just the ones who are able to to purchase during the pre-sale 1/25 - 3/25/09. I found it interesting though that both my DH & I each received the letter when only one of our two master contracts makes us eligible.

[JW9DVC]

I have yet to receive my letter. We do have first option to purchase. No minimums or max points have been set. If a studio cost 20 points, thats what I would buy if I wanted. Of course I will want and will buy more. The option is all mine. JW

[ToodlesRN]

I finally got my letter yesterday!

As far as the ponits rumor of $150 point if that would indeed be the price per point not sure how much we would add on. Being that we live on the West coast and most likely go more to DL vs WDW we would like buy as much to at least visit 2-4 times a year including Halloween or a Christmas.

I wish they just come out with a points chart so people can start deciding how many points to add on before the 25th, since it's coming up.

[kerickson]

I have yet to receive my letter. We do have first option to purchase. No minimums or max points have been set. If a studio cost 20 points, thats what I would buy if I wanted. Of course I will want and will buy more. The option is all mine. JW

Max purchase has been set. Per the contract addendum, the max will be 160pts during the 'Founding Member' pre-purchase period. After that, you can buy as many as you like ;) I'm sure there will be a min, hoping it's not 100... I'm thinking just under 100pts for us, split into 2 contracts. That would allow us to visit once per year in a studio or every 2 or 3 years in a 1 or 2 BR. We'll then use our SSR points for the occasional trip to WDW, cruises, and I'm hoping eventually Hawaii. Maybe even a VGC trip during off season...

[kerickson]

I was reading through the boards and just got a call from my DVC DL Rep! She was returning my call and said they don't have any info yet on VGC. They were given a general timeline as a 'heads up' and were told they should receive point charts, point pricing, etc in mid January. I'm having surgery in a few days, so I had called her because I didn't want to miss out on any info if it came out while I was out of commission.

She did say that Jan 15, pricing for all resorts are going up to $112, so the pricing wasn't going to be less than that. She didn't think it would be much higher if at all, in case I wanted to start number crunching. I told her I was using BLT as a model for numbers, and she thought that was wise. But, I take that advice just as her being a guide with history in DVC, not because she actually has any info...

Was everyone aware of the general price increase?

[Pennyguy23]

Well if its 100 points min I don't know if we will be buying or not?

[ToodlesRN]

Spoke to my DL guide today and she mentioned that the contracts can be from 25-160 points and no price out yet for the points. If people want more than 160 points that they have to wait 60 days? We all may get something in the mail with the pricing's soon (fingerscrossed)

[bnlbebes]

Spoke to my DL guide today and she mentioned that the contracts can be from 25-160 points and no price out yet for the points.

I've been hoping to see a minimum purchase of 25pts! We'd like to get just enough to visit for 3-4 days every 3 years. We'll have to wait to get something in writing before I get too excited though.

[drag n' fly]

We have not received anything in the mail yet. DVC is not licensed to sell in Alberta so we bought our contract while at DL. I wonder if we will even get a letter? Maybe I will call our guide? :cloud9:

[The Rivers' Rats]

We just got back from spending the weekend at DL and spoke with our guide. She said that she did not have all of the information yet, but that when the guides had initially been told about the GCV, they were told that it could be bought in quantities as low as 25 pts. She also had not heard of any price increases, but said that with the other resorts increasing their point costs in Jan., it would be likely that they would be "slightly" more expensive than what is currently available.

Hopefully the information that she gave is correct. I can't see spending $150 per point and a 100 pt minimum would be more than I want to purchase at this time.

I really wish that the guides were given more information, however, as someone here already said, they are far enough down the ladder that they do not receive all of the facts when they need them. With our guides being left in the dark, I guess we'll all just have to wait and see what the Disney powers that be have in store for us....

[bwvBound]

I just received our letter today. It suggests I call my Orlando guide -- not my CA guide. Hmmm ????

[ACDSNY]

I just received our letter today. It suggests I call my Orlando guide -- not my CA guide. Hmmm ????
Our letter listed our Orlando guide too. I've called and left a message, but have not received a return call yet.

[mico0025]

I heard from our guide today and it was the same story. A maximum of 160 points will be available for founding members. She did however say that there will be another letter coming (in approx. 2 weeks) with the points chart and price per point.

[minnieandmickey]

How hard do you think it is going to be to get a room at the 7 month mark? I would love to buy but really can't afford it right now (unless I could get rid of my add on at SSR I got long before the GCV announcement :headache: ). I've actually used more points at DL than I have had at WDW lately, I really wish I could buy into it.

[Castaway Kev]

I sure hope that the points don't jump to the $140-$150 range, and I'm sorry if I caused any heart attacks when I brought up that old rumor.

My next question is, what do you save by doing one 50 point contract instead of two 25 point contracts? Obviously, it would be easier to resell a 25 point contract if needed than it would be to sell a 50 point contract.

[Joey7295]

I sure hope that the points don't jump to the $140-$150 range, and I'm sorry if I caused any heart attacks when I brought up that old rumor.

My next question is, what do you save by doing one 50 point contract instead of two 25 point contracts? Obviously, it would be easier to resell a 25 point contract if needed than it would be to sell a 50 point contract.

You can finance a 50 point contract but can not finance a 25 point contract so it would have to be paid in cash.

[Grumpygrandpa]

I wish I could just trade in my SSR points for GCV. I think I high MF will keep from buying before a high price per point. Hopefully the charts are generous. I wonder if anybody will ever get at seven months. Lots to think about....:teacher:

[mico0025]

How hard do you think it is going to be to get a room at the 7 month mark? I would love to buy but really can't afford it right now (unless I could get rid of my add on at SSR I got long before the GCV announcement :headache: ). I've actually used more points at DL than I have had at WDW lately, I really wish I could buy into it.

Based on the apparent # of members who come to DL regularly, the interest in the GCV, and the VERY limited # of units being built, my gut feeling is that it will be hard to reserve exactly what you want at the 7 month mark. But that is just my feeling.

[mico0025]

How hard do you think it is going to be to get a room at the 7 month mark? I would love to buy but really can't afford it right now (unless I could get rid of my add on at SSR I got long before the GCV announcement :headache: ). I've actually used more points at DL than I have had at WDW lately, I really wish I could buy into it.

Based on the apparent # of members who come to DL regularly, the interest in the GCV, and the VERY limited # of units being built, my gut feeling is that it will be hard to reserve exactly what you want at the 7 month mark. But that is just my feeling.

[nunzia]

You can finance a 50 point contract but can not finance a 25 point contract so it would have to be paid in cash.

so..you cannot finance 3 25 point contracts but could finance one 75 point?

[abeyst]

I'm going to be in California on buisiness the last week of January and visiting DL for a day or 2. I know I'm not supposed to be able to add on while I'm there because I didn't buy my contract at DL, but I wonder if they'll let me or if they'll say I have to wait til March?

[DVC Mike]

I'm going to be in California on buisiness the last week of January and visiting DL for a day or 2. I know I'm not supposed to be able to add on while I'm there because I didn't buy my contract at DL, but I wonder if they'll let me or if they'll say I have to wait til March?

You'll have to wait.

[Joey7295]

so..you cannot finance 3 25 point contracts but could finance one 75 point?

That is correct

[drag n' fly]

sure would like to see a points chartpopcorn::

[lisah0711]

On Monday my guide told me that it would be about ten days or so and they would have lots more information --can't wait!

[Hotheels]

We just returned from Disneyland last night. While we were there we went to see our guide and he told us pretty much the same thing that all of you have said....25 - 160 points, and that the price would most likely be around $112 per point. He also said that the annual dues would be lower that what we are paying for AKL, since the price per points will be higher. He said that he already has a waiting list, and he filled out a partial form with our names, how many points we want to purchase, and our credit card number. He said he would contact us on the 25th. He also said that many businesses in the LA area have called and are wanting to buy points when they become available to the public. He said one law firm wants to buy 2000!! Sounds like the points may sell out quickly!

[Joey7295]

There was a statement in my letter that has me worried. I live in NY and here is the statement:

"Please note that we cannot offer this Disney Vacation Club Resort for sale in the State of New York until an offering plan for this Resort is accepted for filing by the Department of Law of the State of New York. Therefore, you may not be able to purchase from home during this special sales window."

[dcfromva]

There was a statement in my letter that has me worried. I live in NY and here is the statement:

"Please note that we cannot offer this Disney Vacation Club Resort for sale in the State of New York until an offering plan for this Resort is accepted for for filing by the Department of Law of the State of New York. Therefore, you may not be able to purchase from home during this special salses window."

Can you fly out to CA and make your purchase?

[toocherie]

I'm going to be in California on buisiness the last week of January and visiting DL for a day or 2. I know I'm not supposed to be able to add on while I'm there because I didn't buy my contract at DL, but I wonder if they'll let me or if they'll say I have to wait til March?

I'm sure they'd let you add on at AKV or BLT. And maybe there are still founding memberships at GCV available and then you could add on there too.

[figment795]

Can you fly out to CA and make your purchase?


That is what I have to do for BLT. :sad2: DH and I are going to add a 50 point contract before Jan 15th. Oregon does not have the right to sell BLT yet. I can go to California or Florida. So I priced plane tickets and it was cheaper to go to Orlando. :rotfl:So we are doing a 3 night trip before the 15th deadline.

[kerickson]

We just returned from Disneyland last night. While we were there we went to see our guide and he told us pretty much the same thing that all of you have said....25 - 160 points, and that the price would most likely be around $112 per point. He also said that the annual dues would be lower that what we are paying for AKL, since the price per points will be higher....

That's an interesting statement, AKV will be $112 as of Jan 15 and purchase price should have nothing to due with annual dues. Most have assumed the annual dues would be higher than WDW due to California property costs, but lately I was wondering if that would be true since the hotel footprint will be considerably smaller than WDW properties, and the Villas will be a small percentage of the overall hotel rooms... If it does have relatively low annual dues that will drive up demand as well...

[toocherie]

That's an interesting statement, AKV will be $112 as of Jan 15 and purchsae price should have nothing to due with annual dues. Most have assumed the annual dues would be higher than WDW due to California property costs, but lately I was wondering if that would be true since the hotel footprint will be considerably smaller than WDW properties, and the Villas will be a small percentage of the overall hotel rooms... If it does have relatively low annual dues that will drive up demand as well...

Remember that Disney has owned this property FOREVER (well, almost ;) ) so their purchase cost wasn't like they were paying market price for it (not that they wouldn't charge US as if they were). But also the taxes should be somewhat low (at least as to the land value portion).

[ACDSNY]

Don't forget there is no transportation costs like at the other WDW DVC resorts, so that should help keep the dues lower.

[kerickson]

keep talking and it will soon start to sound like a bargin. I wish! pixiedust:

[ACDSNY]

keep talking and it will soon start to sound like a bargin. I wish! pixiedust:
Not compared to what I paid for SSR and I was crazy enough to sell most of those points in order to buy the GCV. Can you tell I really really want points at the GCV?

[DisneyWalker44]

That's an interesting statement, AKV will be $112 as of Jan 15 and purchase price should have nothing to due with annual dues. I suspect what the person meant was that dues per point will be low since points per room will be high.

[Laurabearz]

sure would like to see a points chartpopcorn::

Any clue when Point charts and price per point will be released?

[drag n' fly]

Any clue when Point charts and price per point will be released?

Apparently within a week:confused3

[lulubelle]

Not soon enough!
I am mad they sent us all the letter without details of points/costs and our guides are clueless.

[kerickson]

Hopefully the packet will be dropped in the mail soon if they plan to have them arrive around the 15th! :goodvibes
At least they have to send us stuff in the mail rather than just waiting to hear via word of mouth (although the DIS is faster than USPS!)

[toocherie]

Not soon enough!
I am mad they sent us all the letter without details of points/costs and our guides are clueless.

Absolutely agree with you Linda--what poor planning.

[Laurabearz]

Not soon enough!
I am mad they sent us all the letter without details of points/costs and our guides are clueless.

Absolutely agree with you Linda--what poor planning.

Well my favorite was when they started selling a resort (SSR maybe or was it BCV?) with no point charts out at all. :lmao:

[drag n' fly]

Not soon enough!
I am mad they sent us all the letter without details of points/costs and our guides are clueless.



Hey at least you got a letter.:confused3 We are part of the pre-sale and we never even got a letter. I called my guide a week ago in DL and have not even had my call returned yet!popcorn::

[Grumpygrandpa]

I didn't get a letter either. My SIL got her and she's not even going to buy. At least my guide called me right back to say she doesn't know anything yet and to reassure me I'm on the list. I worry about it because shortly after I bought from my guide in CA she moved out to Florida. She keeps telling that I'm OK but I have to wonder why I never get any GCV related mailings. The supense is killing me...DVC, please give us some info!

[kerickson]

Hey at least you got a letter.:confused3 We are part of the pre-sale and we never even got a letter. I called my guide a week ago in DL and have not even had my call returned yet!popcorn::

Drag n' fly
You may want to check and make sure they are able to sell VGC in Alberta. I heard there are still a few US states they can't sell in so those members will have to go to DL or WDW to purchase. Just want to make sure the isn't why you haven't received your letter yet, if it is, then you are given a heads up to make plans if you want to purchase...

[toocherie]

Well my favorite was when they started selling a resort (SSR maybe or was it BCV?) with no point charts out at all. :lmao:

Seriously? How does that work? How did you know what to buy?

[drag n' fly]

Drag n' fly
You may want to check and make sure they are able to sell VGC in Alberta. I heard there are still a few US states they can't sell in so those members will have to go to DL or WDW to purchase. Just want to make sure the isn't why you haven't received your letter yet, if it is, then you are given a heads up to make plans if you want to purchase...

Great Point!:thumbsup2

DVC is legally only allowed to sell in Ontario here. We actually had to fly to DL in November /07 to purchase our AKV contract on site!
I can talk to our guide on the phone and we have received about 90% of DVC mail outs just not the ones we need!:)
We have plans for one of us to do a quick trip down when the time comespopcorn:: :rolleyes1

[forevercruising]

I didn't get a letter either.

No letter here, either. :confused3

Any other Western states founding members still missing the infamous letter? :confused:

I hate being left out of "the loop". :headache:

At least I can count on the DisBoards to get my missing information. :rolleyes:

[Laurabearz]

Seriously? How does that work? How did you know what to buy?

I didnt retain the details, and I only have a vague memory of the whole thing, so hopefully someone else will pipe in with the details.

And after I posted I wondered if it was BCV... Ahh... the years have not treated my brain well and it all blends lol

[bwvBound]

Seriously? How does that work? How did you know what to buy?FWIW, we never looked at SSR's point chart when we purchased in 2004. We knew that our intended BWV stay ran 200 points ... and that is what we wanted. We based our purchase decision on SSR MF and extended contract -- but not on SSR's point chart.

[The Rivers' Rats]

No letter here, either. :confused3

Any other Western states founding members still missing the infamous letter? :confused:

I hate being left out of "the loop". :headache:

At least I can count on the DisBoards to get my missing information. :rolleyes:

We're still waiting on our letter as well. We live in California and bought our membership at Disneyland back in October and were assured that we'd have founding member status at that time. Our guide said that it really shouldn't matter whether we have a letter or not, but I'd feel better having the letter in hand anyhow.

[whayes]

I spoke with my guide today. She stated that she heard that the minimum add-on was going to be 100 points. If the information given to her is correct, those of us who are interested in adding on will only be able to buy 100 to 160 points. I am a founding member and I would like to buy in, but 100 points is a little high for my tastes. I really hope the information is incorrect!!

[KAT4DISNEY]

I spoke with my guide today. She stated that she heard that the minimum add-on was going to be 100 points. If the information given to her is correct, those of us who are interested in adding on will only be able to buy 100 to 160 points. I am a founding member and I would like to buy in, but 100 points is a little high for my tastes. I really hope the information is incorrect!!

I spoke with my guide last Sunday and they placed me on hold while they checked on the minimum points. The answer was anything from 25-160 so I'm going to go with that! ;)

[BeccaG]

I posted this in another thread because I did not see this one (the search was acting funny) so any news?

So I called my guide right before the new year inquiring about more info, including a point chart, about GCV. . I have not yet received a call back and I know that they are suppose to go on sale the 25th of this month. . just curious, anyone heard anything?

[kerickson]

I posted this in another thread because I did not see this one (the search was acting funny) so any news?

So I called my guide right before the new year inquiring about more info, including a point chart, about GCV. . I have not yet received a call back and I know that they are suppose to go on sale the 25th of this month. . just curious, anyone heard anything?

Spoke with my guide prior to New Years and she said they'd been told to expect point charts, price, etc around the 15th of Jan. So, hopefully information will be mailed out to the VGC founding member group next week. She thought it might be similar to BLT...

[christine*]

I just got back from adding on 160 blt points at disneyland :cool1: Our guide said that point charts are being finalized right now and should be out in 2 to 3 weeks. She THINKS the point charts will be similar to the ones for the contemporary bay lake view rooms. And if their construction goes as plan it's supposed to open for occupancy after bay lake towers but in time for the holiday season. And the founding member for GCV isn't a cool brick or anything but a framed picture valued at $100.

[drag n' fly]

I just got back from adding on 160 blt points at disneyland :cool1: Our guide said that point charts are being finalized right now and should be out in 2 to 3 weeks. She THINKS the point charts will be similar to the ones for the contemporary bay lake view rooms. And if their construction goes as plan it's supposed to open for occupancy after bay lake towers but in time for the holiday season. And the founding member for GCV isn't a cool brick or anything but a framed picture valued at $100.


Did she mention anything about the minimum add on?

[christine*]

Did she mention anything about the minimum add on?

To be honest, I don't really remember. I said we only wanted to added 50 pts at BLT or to wait to add 50 pts to GCV. And then her response to that was telling us if we wanted to be founding members at GCV we would have to add on at least 100 pts today with her at Disneyland to be part of the founding members program. She never said we couldn't add on only 50 pts at GVC though, so i'm assuming that we can if we want to.

[kerickson]

I just got back from adding on 160 blt points at disneyland :cool1: Our guide said that point charts are being finalized right now and should be out in 2 to 3 weeks.

2-3 weeks? That will put us past Jan 25?!:scared:

[DebbieB]

I'm thinking of buying a small add-on to cover a studio for 5 weeknights in late April, May or October. A standard view at GC is currently 25 points. BLT lake view is 15 to 19 during those times (the seasons are different). I'm thinking 75 points (15 x 5). I have an April use year. I assume I would get 2009 points? If so, I could bank them for next year and be ahead if it's more than 15 per night. I really want to see that points chart (but I can't buy until March).

[pycees312]

i never got the initial salss start on the 25th letter but my DH and i got a reminder about sales increase on the 15th and that info on all other resorts that wil be up for sale will come later letter!!!!!!! if it wasn't for this dis i would be out the loop.

[bethy]

popcorn::

Subscribing to this thread and waiting for more info and charts and prices . . .

[Michael623]

Will today be the day? popcorn::

[bethy]

My latest theory is that they sent out the letter without the costs and point charts in order to first gage the reaction and interest level of the Founding Member group . . . If the phones are ringing off the hook then it might up the prices . . . And I'm sure Founding Members won't get incentives.

[kerickson]

Will today be the day? popcorn::

This wait is killing me! I have a feeling they'll release the info on the 15th with the other DVC pricing changes, but I'm hoping they'll mail something to us as well today or tomorrow.

[drag n' fly]

popcorn:: :happytv:

[Grumpygrandpa]

I just got off of the phone with my guide and her opinion is that the point charts, MF and the price of points will be very similar to BLT. She doesn't think that it will sell out in the first three months, but she says there is a lot of interest and she thinks it will sell out Shortly after the 3 month West Coast only period is over. She promised to call me as soon as she knows anything (She has been a stellar guide and has always kept her word). If the MF are as low as BLT I will be doing cartwheels and buying points.

[kerickson]

I just got off of the phone with my guide and her opinion is that the point charts, MF and the price of points will be very similar to BLT. She doesn't think that it will sell out in the first three months, but she says there is a lot of interest and she thinks it will sell out Shortly after the 3 month West Coast only period is over. She promised to call me as soon as she knows anything (She has been a stellar guide and has always kept her word). If the MF are as low as BLT I will be doing cartwheels and buying points.

Did she have an update on when point charts, etc will be published? My guide thought Jan 15...

[Grumpygrandpa]

Did she have an update on when point charts, etc will be published? My guide thought Jan 15...

I couldn't nail her down on that. She said that she felt she would receive training prior to the next letter going out. It didn't sound as if though that training had started yet. The anticipation is killing me. I'm ready for something concrete (and hopefully low MFs).

[cseca]

My guide just received the price/point $112 the same as BLT. And he's still not sure if the min buy in is 100 points or lower. But he said if purchasing 100 pts min there's a $5 GC incentive. MF is $3.82/pt.

[KAT4DISNEY]

My guide just received the price/point $112 the same as BLT. And he's still not sure if the min buy in is 100 points or lower. But he said if purchasing 100 pts min there's a $5 GC incentive. MF is $3.82/pt.

Thanks!!!!

Oh - any point charts?

[kerickson]

My guide just received the price/point $112 the same as BLT. And he's still not sure if the min buy in is 100 points or lower. But he said if purchasing 100 pts min there's a $5 GC incentive. MF is $3.82/pt.

I was on the fence between 90 and 100 pts, looks like Disney has just pushed me over to the 100 mark if that $5 incentive is true :cool1:
GREAT MF's too!!!!

[cseca]

Thanks!!!!

Oh - any point charts?


No luck on that front. He said it'll probably be posted online as soon as it is available.

[kerickson]

Generally, can you break up a 100 pt purchase into 2 50 pt contracts and still get the incentive?

[ACDSNY]

Generally, can you break up a 100 pt purchase into 2 50 pt contracts and still get the incentive?

Yes, I've done this in the past.

[ACDSNY]

My guide just received the price/point $112 the same as BLT. And he's still not sure if the min buy in is 100 points or lower. But he said if purchasing 100 pts min there's a $5 GC incentive. MF is $3.82/pt.

Any mention of developer points, gift cards or annual passes?

[kerickson]

Any mention of developer points, gift cards or annual passes?

A few weeks ago my DL guide told me they were discontinueing the AP incentive. I still have my vouchers from our original purchase which expire in July. I had asked her if we could trade those in for a new expiration date if we can't make it to DL by then (something she had told us we could do when we purchased in late 07). She said they were discontinuing the incentive, but if they had any left over vouchers I could probably trade, but she didn't think they would....

So, looks like no APs. I'm hoping we'd get some dev points since we won't be able to stay until 2010. Not sure how they'd work that though, would they give Dev points that could only be used at SSR to people buying in Cali? I guess it would be ok if you could also trade those out of DVC...

[cseca]

Any mention of developer points, gift cards or annual passes?

$5/pt GC (Gift Card) if purchasing a min 100 points.

[bethy]

Thanks so much for the info!! :thumbsup2

Now I really, really want a point chart! The MF's sound great! (At least for now . . . ) I also am really hoping that the minimum is less than 100 b/c we just really don't need that many more points and MF's.

[Grumpygrandpa]

I'm in for probably 200 points (half to see that point chart first). I love those low MFs. I wouldn't mind some developer points either. Maybe if sales aren't as brisk as I think they will be they will offer them down the road and we can get them retroactively.

[bethy]

Yes, and then we could use the DP's at one of the DLR hotels! :cool1:

[kerickson]

I'm in for probably 200 points (half to see that point chart first). I love those low MFs. I wouldn't mind some developer points either. Maybe if sales aren't as brisk as I think they will be they will offer them down the road and we can get them retroactively.

Do they typically do that? What's the usual timeframe for a retroactive credit?

[Grumpygrandpa]

Do they typically do that? What's the usual timeframe for a retroactive credit?

They did it at BLT. Initially (sp) there were no developer points, then to increase sales they started offering them and any original buyers who asked got the developer points retroactively. But that doesn't mean they will do that way every time. We can only hope.

[Laurabearz]

And idea when points charts will be ready??

[Grumpygrandpa]

Do they typically do that? What's the usual timeframe for a retroactive credit?

I think that they are still awarding the developer points retroactively to early buyers of BLT. If you bought BLT before the DPs were offered and you have not received your DPs call your guide and they will hook you up.

[drag n' fly]

popcorn:: Still waiting to see what the minimum add on is then we will make our decision. With the economy being the way it is a little patience may pay off as the pot begins to sweeten as sales begin to slow:thumbsup2

[amyup]

I talked myself into not buying but....I think I'm going to have to:banana:
Everyone is at the same conclusion as I, that it will be nearly impossible to get in at 7 months right?? Why isn't that dang money tree growing??

Amy

[gtrain219]

I think that they are still awarding the developer points retroactively to early buyers of BLT. If you bought BLT before the DPs were offered and you have not received your DPs call your guide and they will hook you up.

Any idea how early you had to buy to get the DP's? We bought in late October.

[Grumpygrandpa]

It looks as if though you won't be able to stay at the Grand on points after 2009. If the only way to stay at the Grand with points is at the 50 2 bedrooms GCV suites 7 months will be impossible, but I have a strong feeling that more of the hotel may converted to DVC down the road. Who knows. Show me the point chart! (in my best Tom Cruise impersonation).

[Joey7295]

My guide just received the price/point $112 the same as BLT. And he's still not sure if the min buy in is 100 points or lower. But he said if purchasing 100 pts min there's a $5 GC incentive. MF is $3.82/pt.



What are the MFs for BLT?

[Grumpygrandpa]

Any idea how early you had to buy to get the DP's? We bought in late October.

The points were offered later as sales slowed down. If you were an early buyer and didn't get them call your guide or quality assurance and ask for them. The 15th may be a cut off date so call right away. You should get them.

[Raivyn]

My guide just reported to me that the price is $112/pt, $5 incentive for 100 pts min, matching DPs. 1 Bedroom low season:1 wk=238 pts;
1 Bedroom high season: 1 wk=463 pts

Point usage seems really high to me. :guilty:

[gtrain219]

The points were offered later as sales slowed down. If you were an early buyer and didn't get them call your guide or quality assurance and ask for them. The 15th may be a cut off date so call right away. You should get them.

Thanks, here's hoping.

[pycees312]

My guide just reported to me that the price is $112/pt, $5 incentive for 100 pts min, matching DPs. 1 Bedroom low season:1 wk=238 pts;
1 Bedroom high season: 1 wk=463 pts

Point usage seems really high to me. :guilty:
nooo way are you positive?? i think the guides are pulling our chains knowing we are on these message boards posting info.. I will not buy if they point charts are like that.....
Is your guide in California??? and due to demand i highly doubt developer points will even be in play on this...... best they will do is no main fee until opening...

[DebbieB]

nooo way are you positive?? i think the guides are pulling our chains knowing we are on these message boards posting info.. I will not buy if they point charts are like that.....
Is your guide in California??? and due to demand i highly doubt developer points will even be in play on this...... best they will do is no main fee until opening...

Between Lake View and MK view at BLT.

They can't charge maintenance fees before opening.

[KAT4DISNEY]

My guide just reported to me that the price is $112/pt, $5 incentive for 100 pts min, matching DPs. 1 Bedroom low season:1 wk=238 pts;
1 Bedroom high season: 1 wk=463 pts

Point usage seems really high to me. :guilty:

Yes, that places GCV pretty much the same as BLT. Does anybody know if all the units have theme park views or if some will face the other direction?

[gtrain219]

The points were offered later as sales slowed down. If you were an early buyer and didn't get them call your guide or quality assurance and ask for them. The 15th may be a cut off date so call right away. You should get them.

Just got off the phone with my agent she got it all worked out and said my points will be available tommorow. She said we could use them at SS, DLR or WPC!

[drag n' fly]

My guide just reported to me that the price is $112/pt, $5 incentive for 100 pts min, matching DPs. 1 Bedroom low season:1 wk=238 pts;
1 Bedroom high season: 1 wk=463 pts

Point usage seems really high to me. :guilty:


OY:eek: I hope not!:rolleyes1

[ToodlesRN]

OY:eek: I hope not!:rolleyes1

Same thing I was just thinking!

I wish they would hurry up and post the points chart and the price so we all can get this figured out. Were leaving on the Disney Cruise on the 29th and want to have our paperwork in order before we go....

[BeccaG]

OK I may need my flame suit for this but as much as I love DL as a so cal girl and as much as I want to have GCV points and stay there, I would not put it on par with a BLT room. (and I am saying that with no desire as of right now to stay at BLT) To me GCV was always more a cross between Wilderness Lodge and Animal Kingdom and I was expecting a more reasonable point chart as such. Crying out loud, you can stay there now which, is technically an exchange so the points should be worse, in a park view room during high season for 317 points or in concierge for 469. If the point chart really looks as some of you are suggesting, I will stick with the Disneyland hotel thank you very much . . .

[bethy]

Those point requirements wouldn't surprise me at all. I mean, talk about a Magic Kingdom view! Plus the direct entrance to the park and the viewing deck for the World of Color show that will be right there in front of you . . . Plus the GCH is on the upper end of the Disney Deluxe hotels as far as amenities, etc.

And it's a small DVC resort with high demand. We prefer studios for several reasons and I'm thinking they'll be hardest to get b/c of the point requirements and b/c most people don't go to DLR for a week - more like 3 or 4 days max. Thus they wouldn't mind a lack of full kitchen, laurdry, privacy as much as if they were staying for a chunk of time.

Look at the rack rates for a suite at the GCH - it stands to reason that the point requirements will be high. Also I don't agree that they will likely convert more of the hotel into DVC units. Members of the general public pay full rack rates at GCH all the time and it is reportedly very booked all of the time. Why would they give that cash cow up?

No, I do not work for DVC LOL!

[tidefan]

Well, if we can add on for 30-40 points we will definitely buy, otherwise we will probably pass. We would look to go to DL every 3 years, probably 5 nights Sun-Thurs in a studio, so 300 pts would be overkill for that...

I can live with DLH for now and wait for the next DL DVC...

[DebbieB]

A standard view at GCH in 2008 was 189 for a week, 230 for park view, lowest season. So 238 for a 1 bedroom doesn't seem outrageous.

Did I read somewhere that all the villas will be park view?

[Hotheels]

I had a message from my guide in California when I got home tonight. He said....

$112.00 per point
$3.82 per point for annual dues
$5.00 per point credit ($800 if you buy 160 pts.)

Since we are purchasing 160 pts, we will get an $800 credit which will be deducted from the down payment and the balance of the down payment will be put on our credit card. He mentioned that he thinks this is a "great deal", but after seeing what the points chart could look like, I'm not so sure :scared1:

He said nothing about matching developer points?? That would be really nice!

[kerickson]

A standard view at GCH in 2008 was 189 for a week, 230 for park view, lowest season. So 238 for a 1 bedroom doesn't seem outrageous.

Did I read somewhere that all the villas will be park view?

The points chart was right around where I was expecting, expecially if they eventually plan to have a DVC at the DLR and PPH properties, those would probably be lower points (unless they did a significant makeover on those two properties and brought it up to the level of the Grand...) So, this is really the BLT/GF of DLR.

Regarding the view, I was trying to look at the model of the expansion and figure out what the categories would be. The DVC part of the expansion looks like it will have one of two sets of views: DCA and Pool or DCA & forest. Don't think it faces DL or DDD. I'm thinking it will be DCA and Pool because I think they are building the new pool as a DVC quite pool. (probably not exclusive to DVC though) But I'd like to know if the weekly point chart given above is an average between two categories...

[tjkraz]

My guide just reported to me that the price is $112/pt, $5 incentive for 100 pts min, matching DPs. 1 Bedroom low season:1 wk=238 pts;
1 Bedroom high season: 1 wk=463 pts

Point usage seems really high to me. :guilty:

The "low season" numbers are 15 points more than BLT Lake View and 32 points LESS than MK view. That seems about right to me. I wouldn't have expected anything less.

Yes, that places GCV pretty much the same as BLT. Does anybody know if all the units have theme park views or if some will face the other direction?

Rough estimate would be 35% facing DCA (Paradise Pier), 40% woods and 25% pool view. There are two Grand Villas--one faces the theme park and the other the pool.

[lugnut33]

The HoJo down the street costs about $60 a night. I'm just sayin'. ;)

[kerickson]

What are the MFs for BLT?

BLT - 3.67
AKV - 4.87
SSR - 4.34

now it looks like VGC - 3.82

[pycees312]

i never even looked at blt points until today i figured i wasn't buying didnt need to look. sheesh was i wrong lol..

[kerickson]

The HoJo down the street costs about $60 a night. I'm just sayin'. ;)

Yes, and that's probably why they are only building 50 units. This won't be for most people who make trips to DLR and stay at HOJO, just like the WDW DVC resorts aren't for people who stay at POP. It's comparing apples to oranges.
(and I don't mean 'people' in any derogatory kind of way. We plan to stay 1 week/yr at VGC and the rest of our visits offsite.)

[DebbieB]

So what would "woods view" be? Facing the Grizzly area on the top right of this picture (taken 12/3 from PPH)?

http://im1.shutterfly.com/media/47b8cc35b3127ccec5899f431a9400000060O08AZOGTFq4ZtA e3nwQ/cC/f%3D0/ps%3D50/r%3D0/rx%3D550/ry%3D400/

[bethy]

I'm curious about the woods, too. That is a new term to me. Not that I really care. I want the cheapest studio possible which will be undoubtedly very hard to get. What if I buy points based on that and then can never book one?

Yes, the Hojo has crossed our minds MANY times during this DVC decision/process. We did offsite for many years but have reached a point in our lives where we are looking for a different experience - an immersion experience and more comfy accomodations. And most importantly: someone to bring us drinks at the pool. :drinking1 Basically we want a resort experience. We are truly not snobs. We are just getting older and have limited vacation and leisure time. Hopefully we can afford the resort experience if we prepay it in advance. There's a emotional part of me that wants to lock that option in securly and also own a piece of DLR.

DVC is nothing if not an at least partially emotional investment.

[kerickson]

So what would "woods view" be? Facing the Grizzly area on the top right of this picture (taken 12/3 from PPH)?

http://im1.shutterfly.com/media/47b8cc35b3127ccec5899f431a9400000060O08AZOGTFq4ZtA e3nwQ/cC/f%3D0/ps%3D50/r%3D0/rx%3D550/ry%3D400/

This is a great photo! Thanks for posting.

[tjkraz]

So what would "woods view" be? Facing the Grizzly area on the top right of this picture (taken 12/3 from PPH)?


Here's a model of the expansion:

http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c328/tjkraz/vgc_views-1.jpg

The wing surrounded by my colored lines has the DVC villas. (The rest arenew cash rooms.)

The red is the area you see going up behind Paradise Pier and I'd say that's about 35% of the villas. (I know the red line looks longer than the green but that's only because I wrapped it around the building and due to perspective.)

The green would be woods--about 40%. That's buried back behind the Brother Bear play area. I'm not sure how Disney could call that any sort of theme park view.

The blue is about 25% and will face the pool.

There is a third pool going in, but it's going to be integrated with the two current pools. That new pool will sit just behind the small kiddie slide already in place.

EDIT: BTW your photo shows mostly the far left hand side of the model. Those are cash rooms on that end.

[Grumpygrandpa]

Just got off the phone with my agent she got it all worked out and said my points will be available tommorow. She said we could use them at SS, DLR or WPC!

Just one more reason to keep checking the disboards. Congrats! Must feel like found money.

Hopefully these rumors of matching DPs for GCV have some substance.

Rick

[kerickson]

also, if any of the rooms in red are 1st or 2nd floor they may not have Park Views, it's a pretty high wall you have to see over, right?

[CaliMouseVacationeer]

Hi, to any of those who spoke to their guides (I'm calling mine first thing tomorrow morning!), did anyone mention maximum purchase points? I remember reading in the contract that we would be able to purchase up to 160 points, but with these "estimated" points charts, looks like I'll need more for my annual 4-night trip. TIA!:teacher:

[tjkraz]

also, if any of the rooms in red are 1st or 2nd floor they may not have Park Views, it's a pretty high wall you have to see over, right?

I'm not a Disneyland/GC/DCA expert but I think all of the rooms on that side will probably be classified as Theme Park View regardless of the floor. If you look at the info HERE (http://dvcnews.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=562&Itemid=162), check out the third photo down. That's the side of the new wing that faces into DCA. I think the sightlines are clear enough on all floors for Disney to classify them all as having the view.

With the building only be 5 stories tall there won't be any expansive overviews of the entire park. This isn't a "15th floor BLT" scenario. But if you can see the park, it's a "theme park view." ;)

EDIT: Also I think some of those walls you see may be coming down. I think that's Mulholland Madness in DebbieB's photo with the sky/clouds motif. If memory serves Mulholland Madness is being rethemed as some sort of Goofy coaster. I wouldn't be surprised if that wall were reduced or eliminated.

[KAT4DISNEY]

Here's a model of the expansion:

http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c328/tjkraz/vgc_views-1.jpg

The green would be woods--about 40%. That's buried back behind the Brother Bear play area. I'm not sure how Disney could call that any sort of theme park view.


Thanks for the info tjkraz! In the DCA redo is the brother bear play area going to stay the same? I think that the area of the park that GCV is overlooking will have a few changes going on but I don't remember hearing anything about the Grizzly area. Considering that GC considers fairly similar views to be park views I'm thinking that GCV might be doing the same. :confused3

[kerickson]

Hi, to any of those who spoke to their guides (I'm calling mine first thing tomorrow morning!), did anyone mention maximum purchase points? I remember reading in the contract that we would be able to purchase up to 160 points, but with these "estimated" points charts, looks like I'll need more for my annual 4-night trip. TIA!:teacher:

The 160 pts restriction is just during the Founding Member period. You can purchase 160 during that period then add on as many as you like on March 26th...

[drag n' fly]

OK I may need my flame suit for this but as much as I love DL as a so cal girl and as much as I want to have GCV points and stay there, I would not put it on par with a BLT room. (and I am saying that with no desire as of right now to stay at BLT) To me GCV was always more a cross between Wilderness Lodge and Animal Kingdom and I was expecting a more reasonable point chart as such. Crying out loud, you can stay there now which, is technically an exchange so the points should be worse, in a park view room during high season for 317 points or in concierge for 469. If the point chart really looks as some of you are suggesting, I will stick with the Disneyland hotel thank you very much . . .

Totally agree:thumbsup2

[drag n' fly]

The HoJo down the street costs about $60 a night. I'm just sayin'. ;)

It is a great family hotel! I love the HOJO!!:thumbsup2

[BeccaG]

To put it another way, 463 points gets me a 1 bedroom concierge room at AKV in high season. . . with 58 points to spare. . . Heck with just 10 more points I have a Savannah room two bedroom in high season. . . yeah, I think I will pass. . .and I think animals are better to look at than an empty amusement park. . .I wanted points so bad. . sigh. . well i guess that puts an end to that!

[lugnut33]

It is a great family hotel! I love the HOJO!!:thumbsup2

Yeah, we stayed there last August and met the famous Loriel. Super nice.

Oh, and nobody should take my comment negatively, I'd love to have 1000 points at VGC. Atleast until I got the bill. I really love Disneyland.

[Farmboy90]

My guide just reported to me that the price is $112/pt, $5 incentive for 100 pts min, matching DPs. 1 Bedroom low season:1 wk=238 pts;
1 Bedroom high season: 1 wk=463 pts

Point usage seems really high to me. :guilty:


Wow that is fantastically high!! That is higher than using points there now (the super rip-off cash value rate!!)! We just stayed a week there a couple of months ago and it cost around 225 points. So 238 is ridiculously high! I can't believe this is accurate...

My week long trip to WDW at SSR next October is only 194 for a one bedroom. I figured VGC would be quite a bit cheaper than this. Oh well, no big deal. We'll just stay at the Disneyland hotel.

[kerickson]

Wow that is fantastically high!! That is higher than using points there now (the super rip-off cash value rate!!)! We just stayed a week there a couple of months ago and it cost around 225 points. So 238 is ridiculously high! I can't believe this is accurate...

My week long trip to WDW at SSR next October is only 194 for a one bedroom. I figured VGC would be quite a bit cheaper than this. Oh well, no big deal. We'll just stay at the Disneyland hotel.

Did you stay in a 1BR for 225 or a standard hotel? The 238 is for a 1 BR, and we don't know if there is only 1 category, if 238 is an average or the high of multiple categories...
Regardless it is high compared to most WDW properties, but I think that may be the trend for upcoming DVC resorts: BLT, VGC, Hawaii (some think Hawaii may even be much higher :scared: ) A few months ago someone posted a rumor about 2 levels of DVC, looks like we might be unofficially seeing that form. Will only work if those properties have something unique about them to justify the high points, and I guess the only Monorail DVC, only DL DVC, and Hawaii are probably pretty fair justifications...

[ACDSNY]

As bethy mentioned it's somewhat of an emotional buy in for us as we travel more often to DLR than WDW. We recently sold 120 SSR points to get ready for this (not the smartest financial move these days). We'll probably still purchase 160, but split it into 2 contracts of 80 points. If we find we have extra points we'll just sale either our SSR or AKV points, I doubt that happens as we alway seem to be in a state of borrowing.

[Grumpygrandpa]

As we alway seem to be in a state of borrowing.

Me too.:sad2: If I get my AKV one bedroom I'm waitlisted for in June Than all of my 2010 points will be gone. Thats why I hope the matching developer points are real. I could use them.:wizard:

[DebbieB]

Wow that is fantastically high!! That is higher than using points there now (the super rip-off cash value rate!!)! We just stayed a week there a couple of months ago and it cost around 225 points. So 238 is ridiculously high! I can't believe this is accurate...

My week long trip to WDW at SSR next October is only 194 for a one bedroom. I figured VGC would be quite a bit cheaper than this. Oh well, no big deal. We'll just stay at the Disneyland hotel.

Why would you expect VGC to be cheaper than or even equal to SSR? Rack rates for a standard room at GC are over $400 a night. It's a luxury hotel.

I'm waiting to see the points for a studio, I'm hoping around 15 weeknights during the lower seasons. BLT is 15 for lake view, 17 for MK view.

[ACDSNY]

Me too.:sad2: If I get my AKV one bedroom I'm waitlisted for in June Than all of my 2010 points will be gone. Thats why I hope the matching developer points are real. I could use them.:wizard:

Let's keep our fingers crossed for developer points that don't expire until the end of Nov. I have 18 of us going in Nov and could use some points.

[Grumpygrandpa]

Let's keep our fingers crossed for developer points that don't expire until the end of Nov. I have 18 of us going in Nov and could use some points.

Fingers, toes, arms and legs (but it's real hard to type like this!).

[bnlbebes]

Many of you are talking like you've seen a points chart...

Has a points chart been released, or are you just surmising using the 1BR point info posted in this thread? :confused3

[bethy]

There have been other rumors about the chart being similar to BLT and/or the requirements averaging between the BLT LV and MK totals . . .

I'm dying for an official chart over here. Or even a chart would be nice to start - officially unofficial or not. ;)

I don't know why I'm so impatient - it's just fun I guess!

[toocherie]

well, it makes it really hard to decide how many points to buy without knowing what the points requirements are!

[Hotheels]

I got a call back from my guide this morning. We DO get the matching develepor points as part of the incentive!! :banana: However, he said they have to be used by October 2009.

[bethy]

I got a call back from my guide this morning. We DO get the matching develepor points as part of the incentive!! :banana: However, he said they have to be used by October 2009.

Thank you for the confirmation!!!! It'll be a struggle, but I'll force myself to find a way to use them up! :cool1:

[stopher1]

We're anxious for that point chart to be released as well... it's ok to guess based on BLT - but it sure will be much nicer to actually KNOW something for real once that chart is released - and the confirmation of exactly what the minimum will be. I've read differing things here in this thread and can't wait for something definitive from Disney - in print.

[toocherie]

Are the incentive points limited to SSR? Seems sorta unfair that it has the same "end" date as the BLT points--since they've had longer to book incentive stays.

[bethy]

Does anyone still have that link to the 2009 DLR resort point chart? I need to figure out how I could use DP's between now and October. :wizard:

It's a rough life.

Nevermind. The 2009 chart is now posted on the website I see.

[Grumpygrandpa]

I got a call back from my guide this morning. We DO get the matching develepor points as part of the incentive!! :banana: However, he said they have to be used by October 2009.

Did he say where they could be used? DLR? Where in FL?

[Hotheels]

Ok...update. Just talked to my guide again. Incentive points can be used at any of the 3 Disneyland hotels in California, SSR, or as an exchange thru RCI. We can book those incentive points as soon as our contract is written up which should be some time next week. And.....they have just increased the 160 point cap to 500 for Founding Member buyers! I cant buy that many, but that is great news for those of you that can!! He said the points chart should be posted some time next week, and we should be able to start making reservations for GCV by summer.

[Grumpygrandpa]

Ok...update. Just talked to my guide again. Incentive points can be used at any of the 3 Disneyland hotels in California, SSR, or as an exchange thru RCI. We can book those incentive points as soon as our contract is written up which should be some time next week. And.....they have just increased the 160 point cap to 500 for Founding Member buyers! I cant buy that many, but that is great news for those of you that can!! He said the points chart should be posted some time next week, and we should be able to start making reservations for GCV by summer.

Wow! Your guide is awesome! I like mine, but still waiting for a call.... Glad to hear the bump up in the maximum. I would like 200 points. I wonder what the minimum will. Four 50 point contracts sounds good to me.

[bethy]

If anyone can confirm whether there is a minimum I'd be really grateful. I'm trying to figure out what the cap increase indicates about their sales expectations . . . :scratchin

I called my guide when we got the Founding members' letter and still haven't heard back. They probably figure I'm getting all the necessary info from the boards anyway. I'm sure I'll get a call once the sales period is underway.

[tjkraz]

I've been told there is a meeting scheduled tomorrow so that the CA guides can all get up to speed on VGC. Until now most of what has come out is just random bits and pieces that folks have picked-up. Some of the info is accurate but I'm sure you've noticed more than a few conflicting details posted here.

[DWFan4Life]

Sorry, but I'm going to keep bugging my guide daily until she has information for me. The letter said "Call your Vacation Club guide (Name and phone number) today to learn more about this unprecedented opportunity, and be sure to ask for details about a special gift for Founding Members."

If Disney is sending me letters telling me to call my guide for info, I will be calling daily for info until I get it. If the sales guides complain to the higher ups that they told people to call them for info when they have none, hopefully that will speed up the release of information.


I agree, I'll keep calling too. I'm eager to know informations about it. If many people call them, it simply says that they must release information as soon as possible. :lmao:

[toocherie]

I've been told there is a meeting scheduled tomorrow so that the CA guides can all get up to speed on VGC. Until now most of what has come out is just random bits and pieces that folks have picked-up. Some of the info is accurate but I'm sure you've noticed more than a few conflicting details posted here.

so that makes sense that my guide said he would call me with details tomorrow . . . . .

[tjkraz]

I agree, I'll keep calling too. I'm eager to know informations about it. If many people call them, it simply says that they must release information as soon as possible. :lmao:

I think DVC has become very deliberate about how they release information. It's no mystery that those Founding Member letters hit the mail about 4 weeks ago. They know the letters said to call the Guides and that the Guides don't have all the answers.

But what DVC has found is that if they release any information early--even to their own staff--the news begins to spread before it's supposed to. It could be unintentional, like a Guide who doesn't notice the "Don't discuss this until ___" disclaimer. But whatever the reason, the info starts quickly hitting websites.

So when they are good and ready the Guides will all be informed. Looks like it will be tomorrow. Then they can begin returning those phone calls.

[ToodlesRN]

I spoke to my guide awhile ago and got some good updates

Min points to buy is 100 and can go all the way up to 500 points
$5.00 credit per point to go towards the downpayment
Developer Points given the same amount you buy

She does have a point chart but can't forward it at this time. Since we stay in a studio she gave me info on that for a week stay in low season in a studio would be 129 points and at high season I think she said 228 points? (somewhere in the 200 range)

Hope that helps!

[drusba]

DVCNews is reporting preliminary information it claims to have received on points. All rooms will be same category. Bay Lake Tower may have just become a dirt cheap bargain. VGC Magic season will have 390 points for a week in a 1BR and 530 in a 2BR

[bnlbebes]

I spoke to my guide awhile ago and got some good updates

Min points to buy is 100 and can go all the way up to 500 points
$5.00 credit per point to go towards the downpayment
Developer Points given the same amount you buy

She does have a point chart but can't forward it at this time. Since we stay in a studio she gave me info on that for a week stay in low season in a studio would be 129 points and at high season I think she said 228 points? (somewhere in the 200 range)

Hope that helps!

If 100 points is the minimum buy-in, then count me out. I can't afford, and probably would use, more than 25-30 points per year, every 3 years or so.

How many others would this high add-on deter from buying into VGC?

[Grumpygrandpa]

If 100 points is the minimum buy-in, then count me out. I can't afford, and probably would use, more than 25-30 points per year, every 3 years or so.

How many others would this high add-on deter from buying into VGC?

I would like to get four 50pt contracts, but if DPs only come with a minimum purchase of 100 then I will gladly get two 100pt contracts. I think they will sell smaller contracts to those are willing to pay full price without DPs, but who knows. Hopefully, soon, we will all know.

[pycees312]

hmm i was hoping to get enough to stay 3 nights possibly over a weekened at least twice a year since i'm an annual pass holder... guess that won't be happening lol

[BeccaG]

Why would you expect VGC to be cheaper than or even equal to SSR? Rack rates for a standard room at GC are over $400 a night. It's a luxury hotel.

I can find it for $228, now thats the low season, and that is comparable to SSR in low season.

[toocherie]

and a week in a studio in "Adventure" season would be 129 points. Even if you get a good passholder rate at GCH the lowest I have seen is $259--so

129 points for a studio at an assumed rental rate of $10 a point = $1,290/week

versus a GCH standard room at $259 a night = $1,813

A $500 or so savings and a nicer accommodation.

However, being "local" I would not likely stay for a full week. I think I would tend to do a Sat-Sun night type of thing (or going economy, even Sun-Monday). So, I'm hoping to get enough points to do two nights at least once a quarter.

[stopher1]

If 100 points is the minimum buy-in, then count me out. I can't afford, and probably would use, more than 25-30 points per year, every 3 years or so.

How many others would this high add-on deter from buying into VGC?

a minimum of 100 would deter us as well. 25-50 ok, but not 100. This is not an easy thing for me to say either, since I've been waiting with baited breath for VGC basically since it was first announced. I'm sure we'll be thinking about it though...

[ACDSNY]

I'm guessing the min. buy in of 100 points is for a new master contract or to get the incentives for add-ons. I bet you can still buy smaller contracts with no incentives and full price.

[tidefan]

If 100 points is the minimum buy-in, then count me out. I can't afford, and probably would use, more than 25-30 points per year, every 3 years or so.

How many others would this high add-on deter from buying into VGC?

We only need 30-35 as we would do an every 3 year S-Th studio. If the min add-on is indeed 100pts, we will stay at DLH instead...

[kerickson]

I wonder if they will institute the $95 fee to stay at DLH or PPH once VGC is open?

[whayes]

How many others would this high add-on deter from buying into VGC?

I will be deterred!! 25 to 30 was my limit.

I actually added on in CA to become a founding member. I have thought all along that they would not put a high minimum on the add on point quantity. I was a little upset when my guide told me that 100 would most likely be the minimum.

:sad1:

[ACDSNY]

I wonder if they will institute the $95 fee to stay at DLH or PPH once VGC is open?
I bet they will at some point in the next year or so. Then I'll really be upset with DVC. I'm not too sure they haven't set the cost/points too high and priced CGV out of reach for many members.

[CaliMouseVacationeer]

I'm not happy with the dates of the seasons. We were hoping they would be aligned with WDW DVC. Looks like the premier season will be the three weeks around Christmas rather than just the one. Just equals more points. Wish they kept the seasons the same.

[kerickson]

I'm not happy with the dates of the seasons. We were hoping they would be aligned with WDW DVC. Looks like the premier season will be the three weeks around Christmas rather than just the one. Just equals more points. Wish they kept the seasons the same.

Yep, and my favorite time (first 2 weeks in Dec) looks like it might be moved to Magic Season :sad1:

[bethy]

I lucked out with the seasons since we always travel end of April/Early May. At WDW that's the second highest season (Dream I think?) but at DLR it looks like Choice. yay!

I will be TICKEd if the 95 fee happens at DLR. Not only is the price for VGC so high (which honestly doesn't surprise me) but you can't use points to stay in the hotel rooms, PLUS there is no other DVC alternative. It's such a small resort that even if you bought points you might not be able to stay there - esp not for a "last minute" trip planned 6 months ahead of time!

[tjkraz]

I'm not happy with the dates of the seasons. We were hoping they would be aligned with WDW DVC. Looks like the premier season will be the three weeks around Christmas rather than just the one. Just equals more points. Wish they kept the seasons the same.

That move is completely defensible.

The purpose of the staggered point charts is to balance demand. Periods where the resort has difficulty booking to capacity will be cheaper and more popular times expensive.

The seasons for Vero and Hilton Head are much different than the Walt Disney World resorts. Even the current charts for the three Disneyland resorts are different so this move should have been expected.

[DebbieB]

If it's a 100 point min and the seasons are what is being reported, I'm out. I usually go late April, October or early December.

[Laurabearz]

If dvcnews is correct with the 500 point cap, you still can't spend a week in a two bedroom over magic season without borrowing some points :scared1:

Well, the HoJo and Best Western Park Place are in our future.

[MAGICX2]

So does anyone know what the points chart will be yet? When can you start booking a VGC room? We are interested in going to DL in May 2010, but would like to stay at the VGC instead of going through the "Disney Collections" exchange.

[bethy]

Something I keep wondering is whether anyone really goes to DLR for a full week? Not that the point requirements still aren't high, but since we only do one 3-4 night DLR trip per year this isn't quite so painful. Our annual DLR trip is seperate from our "real" vacations. It's simply a regular, proactive investment in my sanity (and in family bonding time). :love:

However I could see if I were from the East Coast how I'd love to book a week at VGC and maybe do a side trip to the beach or to San Diego or LA while there . . .

I haven't approached DH yet about the potential 100 pt minimum. I'll cross that bridge if I have too I guess. I'd really love 100 points but I really think that'd be overkill. I keep comforting myself that I can still continue to go to DLR whether or not I stay at GCH. I DO want/need to be able to use my points there somehow once in a while without undue penalty or I will be an unhappy DVC owner/customer.

[artguy]

Hi guys!

My lovely bride and I are purchasing 100 points at GCV as we visit SoCal once (or twice if we can) a year. We actually prefer visiting DL versus WDW, but we're probably in the minority on that one.

We'll be staying in a Studio for a full week, usually mid/end of April so the points should be fairly reasonable.

We planned to visit this August for the SHAG haunted mansion event, and now we'll be able to use our developer points for that trip!

All in all, we think it will be awesome to have a home base in DLR that we can go on day trips etc.. (Nordstrom rack comes to mind - we only have one in the state of Massachusetts) :rolleyes:


regards,

Kurt

[bethy]

I prefer DLR to WDW, also. But they are such different types of vacations that I'm really glad both exist as they are. WDW is perfect for when we do want to take an extended Disney vacation! I love the flexibility! :banana:

Congrats on your upcoming purchase! I really hope you are right that 100 points will buy a Studio week every year in the off season. I'll admit I'm skeptical though . . .

[Michael623]

Slightly off topic but doesn't the typo in the title of this thread bother any else? I'm not exactly sure when or for that matter whose mouth is next. Is the OP still following this thread?

[Lucille1963]

We visit DL for at least a week, but 8-9 days is preferable. We don't do any side trips, we just enjoy Disneyland!

[dcfromva]

Something I keep wondering is whether anyone really goes to DLR for a full week? Not that the point requirements still aren't high, but since we only do one 3-4 night DLR trip per year this isn't quite so painful.


Since we are from the east coast, we generally stay 5-7 nights on points at GC at least once a year. The point requirements will definately influence our length of stay. I suppose we could limit our stay to Sun-Thurs nights and go elsewhere (we generally stay at another place or two on our visits anyway). The crowds at DL are generally the highest during the weekend, anyway...

[ACDSNY]

I had planned on buy enough points for a 2 bedroom for week in the Fall, but since the points are so high I'm don't think that will happen.

[Grumpygrandpa]

Hi guys!

We actually prefer visiting DL versus WDW, but we're probably in the minority on that one.



I think you would be surprised how many people prefer DLR to DW. Everybody in my family and in my BIL's family prefer DLR except my 8 year old grandson (who really likes the Lego serpent at DTD) I have only been to DW twice and have a third trip planned for June so my experience sample is probably to small to form a good opinion, but customer service on the West Coast just seems to be better overall and there is some little magic thing that happens everytime I cross under the RR tracks and step into DL that I don't get at DW. It just seems more intimate to me. It is probably because I grew up going to DL and have continued taking my son and then my Grandkids there. Plus I really like the GC. I like the Art and Crafts design, the spectacular lobby and the proximity to the parks. I am so ready to buy, so give me a point chart already!

[stopher1]

We live in Indiana, but are originally from So. Cal... with family and friends still out there, so we get out there at least annually to visit family (in fact we'll be staying at the GCH on points in just 2 weeks), but I'm out there more than the family is since my employer is also based in Irvine. Having VGC points would be nice given our family's bi-coastal nature of visiting both resorts in any given year - but it's really just a nice to have, not a must have or a true need since we always have somewhere to rest our heads. We certainly don't vacation at Disneyland the way we do at WDW, and honestly we only stay on-site once per year, so 1-2 maybe 3 nights is really all we'd need depending on what the point chart says... of course that doesn't mean I don't want more, but the reality difference between what we want and what we can afford sometimes gets in the way of it all. If we are priced out of it all, it'll still be okay for us because we will still be going and enjoying the parks - but perhaps from the DLH or PPH... I have no doubt in my mind that the $95 transaction fee will begin to apply after the villas open, which will stink, but we'll deal with it as needed.

As far as preferring DL to WDW... you bet I do, but they are both great places to visit. Of course there's much more to see and do on property in FL - but DL is the original, afterall - Walt's park, you know...

[drag n' fly]

:thumbsup2 Something I keep wondering is whether anyone really goes to DLR for a full week? Not that the point requirements still aren't high, but since we only do one 3-4 night DLR trip per year this isn't quite so painful. Our annual DLR trip is seperate from our "real" vacations. It's simply a regular, proactive investment in my sanity (and in family bonding time). :love:

However I could see if I were from the East Coast how I'd love to book a week at VGC and maybe do a side trip to the beach or to San Diego or LA while there . . .

I haven't approached DH yet about the potential 100 pt minimum. I'll cross that bridge if I have too I guess. I'd really love 100 points but I really think that'd be overkill. I keep comforting myself that I can still continue to go to DLR whether or not I stay at GCH. I DO want/need to be able to use my points there somehow once in a while without undue penalty or I will be an unhappy DVC owner/customer.


We always for at least a week. The flight costs for a family of five are high. We see the parks and then use our hotel as a base to do day trips down the coast

[drag n' fly]

If dvcnews is correct with the 500 point cap, you still can't spend a week in a two bedroom over magic season without borrowing some points :scared1:

Well, the HoJo and Best Western Park Place are in our future.


Yup us too! Guess we will wait to see how Hawaii pans out. Not that it is going to be any better:lmao:



Good luck to everyone purchasing!!!! Im envious;)

[tjkraz]

I would never spend a full week (inc Fri and Sat) at VGC...but then I rarely pay weekend points at WDW either.

I think there is PLENTY to fill 5n/6d at the Grand Californian--especially if trips are limited to every 2-3 years. Those two parks have a LOT more attractions then any two parks at Walt Disney World. In many ways they have the best of the WDW attractions plus many of their own unique experiences (Indiana Jones, DL subs, Matterhorn, Space Mtn, Grizzly River Run, CA Screamin, etc.)

And you can't beat the intimate nature of the entire complex. Getting to DCA from the Grand Californian takes about as much time as walking down to the BoardWalk Bakery from BWV. Downtown Disney is the same distance thru another door. Now THAT is convenience! :banana:

[dwelty]

And you can't beat the intimate nature of the entire complex. Getting to DCA from the Grand Californian takes about as much time as walking down to the BoardWalk Bakery from BWV. Downtown Disney is the same distance thru another door. Now THAT is convenience! :banana:

Actually, depending on where your room is at BWV, it could be LONGER!:)

[amyup]

Well, we only go 3 nights so hopefully we'll be fine with 100 points. We go a couple times a year and will stay somewhere else when our 100 points are gone. I figure I only have 160 points now so I'm going to need more points to stay in Hawaii anyways;)

Add our family to the list who prefers DL over WDW too!

[bethy]

I would never spend a full week (inc Fri and Sat) at VGC...but then I rarely pay weekend points at WDW either.

I think there is PLENTY to fill 5n/6d at the Grand Californian--especially if trips are limited to every 2-3 years. Those two parks have a LOT more attractions then any two parks at Walt Disney World. In many ways they have the best of the WDW attractions plus many of their own unique experiences (Indiana Jones, DL subs, Matterhorn, Space Mtn, Grizzly River Run, CA Screamin, etc.)

And you can't beat the intimate nature of the entire complex. Getting to DCA from the Grand Californian takes about as much time as walking down to the BoardWalk Bakery from BWV. Downtown Disney is the same distance thru another door. Now THAT is convenience! :banana:

Don't get me wrong - I LOVE DLR the bestest. I love that you can walk EVERYWHERE! And agree that a person could spend days upon days there. Especially if staying onsite where you could schedule in relaxing pool time, also. :cool2: I think I read somewhere that WDW only has 10% more actual attractions than DLR does.

For us, since we go once or twice per year - every year - 4 nights satisfies us though since we know we'll be back soon enough. Also as our children get older we figure we can get away with less cushion on either end of the trip. i.e. flying in on the earliest flight on Thurs and home on an evening flight on Sunday. The flight is only 2.5 hours. I would love 4 nights per year at VGC but figure I'll have to settle for 3.

[wdw4life]

Has anyone heard from their guide today?

[lisah0711]

Well, I received a Fed Ex package from my Guide this morning. I was so excited, I was just sure it was the VGC points chart . . . but alas, no, it was my new Dreams book. Which actually isn't bad to have to look at while we are waiting. popcorn::

My Guide knows that we are buying. He even mentioned that we have talked about VGC since when I bought in 2007 and it hadn't even been announced then!

[KAT4DISNEY]

Has anyone heard from their guide today?

Yes I just did and the news was not good. Minimum is 100 pts. I am not 100% certain but I think that just killed our add on. I'm extremely disappointed bordering on disgusted since I made a special effort to be assured of having the founding member option. We just don't need 100 more points. Raising the amounts we could buy and raising the minimum expected (I know that wasn't spelled out in the founding member contract) is just wrong I believe. IMO bad show DVC!

[bethy]

Yes I just did and the news was not good. Minimum is 100 pts. I am not 100% certain but I think that just killed our add on. I'm extremely disappointed bordering on disgusted since I made a special effort to be assured of having the founding member option. We just don't need 100 more points. Raising the amounts we could buy and raising the minimum expected (I know that wasn't spelled out in the founding member contract) is just wrong I believe. IMO bad show DVC!


You have got to be kidding me. I just didn't think this could really happen. We bought AKV just for Founding member status (not that we couldn't enjoy and use the points.) But our plan was to add 50-75 at VGC to complete our portfolio. We vacation in other locations and so this is really the max $$$ and time we want to commit to Disney. I feel sort of like I was tricked. (yes I know the paperwork had all the contingencies laid out etc.) I just don't know if I can swing 100 pts.

I wish now so much that I had taken my chances and hoped that I could buy in at VGC as a new member. Like everyone here advised me to do. :sick:

Between this and the switch from II to RCI I am very frustrated.

[toocherie]

The Founding Member addendum is very confusing--in one spot it identifies the "Ownership Interest" being used to establish Founding Member status as being comprised of a minimum of 160 points (remember that later DVC changed this to 100 points for a time?) at either SSR or AKV. Then later in the doc it talks about the Founding Members being offered the opportunity to purchase an Ownership Interest at GCV of "up to" 160 points (see Section 4(c) for those of you who are Founding Members). I know I want more than 100 points (heck--I know I want more than 160 points), so this isn't an issue for me, but for those of you who wanted a smaller add-on if your language is the same I would put up a fuss, because I think the document is drafted such that you have the right to purchase "up to" the 160 points. (And I know DVC was marketed at the time I purchased that 25 points could be added on at a time.) My biggest fear (which doens't appear to be the case) was that because of demand DVC was going to limit Founding Members to 100 points!

[KAT4DISNEY]

It hasn't been too often that I've felt this way b/c I generally know what I'm getting into but I feel suckered on this one. With 25 pt minimum add on's for so many years and no mention of a different minimum on the contract I thought it was unlikely to change. Not impossible but I consided that length of stays at DL are usually shorter although the locals will go more frequently. And considering that the maximum was to be 160 well.....as I said - I was fooled.

I do plan on contacting someone. I don't expect to get anywhere but hopefully they'll think more about changes like this in the future. My trust is shot at the moment.

[bethy]

Thank you for your kind thoughts. It's safe to assume that I/we will definitely put up a fuss. But a very carefully calculated and prepared one. Preferably behind the scenes where DVC can't "eavesdrop." :headache:

Amen, Kathy. I feel suckered too and it's very hard to admit!

[Laurabearz]

It hasn't been too often that I've felt this way b/c I generally know what I'm getting into but I feel suckered on this one. With 25 pt minimum add on's for so many years and no mention of a different minimum on the contract I thought it was unlikely to change. Not impossible but I consided that length of stays at DL are usually shorter although the locals will go more frequently. And considering that the maximum was to be 160 well.....as I said - I was fooled.

I do plan on contacting someone. I don't expect to get anywhere but hopefully they'll think more about changes like this in the future. My trust is shot at the moment.

(((hugs)))

:grouphug:

[bethy]

Kathy, I'm trying to cling to a tidbit of hope. Was your guide absolutely certain? There have been so many conflicting tidbits of info from guides lately that I'm wondering if he is based in CA and if he went to the "meeting" today? If he was certain of his info was he then willing/able to share the point chart with you?

[BeccaG]

Is it a 100 point minimum buy in with the incentives, or period, you can't buy so 25 or 50 points without the incentive? Is this just a GCV rule or a new DVC rule or is it just during this initial opening rule?

[KAT4DISNEY]

Kathy, I'm trying to cling to a tidbit of hope. Was your guide absolutely certain? There have been so many conflicting tidbits of info from guides lately that I'm wondering if he is based in CA and if he went to the "meeting" today? If he was certain of his info was he then willing/able to share the point chart with you?

Well, never say never but it seemed definite and I shared that I probably wouldn't be adding on at the Grand if that was the case. Last week we were talking about a 50 pt add on. The charts are not online and they couldn't fax so I'm tempted to say that things may not be finalized. For the time frame that we would typically go the points were comparable to BLT with a little modification of 1 to 2 points less for week days and 1 to 2 points more for weekends. That was for late spring and fall and as I understood that was a lower season.

I'll hope that your hope works out!


Is it a 100 point minimum buy in with the incentives, or period, you can't buy so 25 or 50 points without the incentive? Is this just a GCV rule or a new DVC rule or is it just during this initial opening rule?

It was minimum contracts of 100 pts. There is an incentive of $5 off and matching incentive points since your points can't be used until the opening.

(((hugs)))

:grouphug:

Awww - thanks, I needed that! :goodvibes

[stopher1]

Well that just stinks - and it prices us out.

[grizbuzz]

Yes I just did and the news was not good. Minimum is 100 pts. I am not 100% certain but I think that just killed our add on. I'm extremely disappointed bordering on disgusted since I made a special effort to be assured of having the founding member option. We just don't need 100 more points. Raising the amounts we could buy and raising the minimum expected (I know that wasn't spelled out in the founding member contract) is just wrong I believe. IMO bad show DVC!

Is this 100 point minimum just for the Founding Member only period? Perhaps it's a tactic to get people who they KNOW want VGC to buy more than they probably really want to buy during these uncertain economic times. And then if/when Disney still has VGC points they need to sell and sales open to general DVC and general public, they will allow smaller purchase, say 25 or 50 points.

What do you think? Am I just being hopeful?:confused3

[nuts]

Well, I received an unsolicited letter stating that DVC was still working through the details and to please not call until they publish everything. Me thinks they are still working through it (maybe there is hope).

[stopher1]

Is this 100 point minimum just for the Founding Member only period? Perhaps it's a tactic to get people who they KNOW want VGC to buy more than they probably really want to buy during these uncertain economic times. And then if/when Disney still has VGC points they need to sell and sales open to general DVC and general public, they will allow smaller purchase, say 25 or 50 points.

What do you think? Am I just being hopeful?:confused3

Well it could be either - that yes they might do that, or yes, you are just being hopeful... but I'm still hoping that the 100 point minimum quoted doesn't stand...

[KAT4DISNEY]

Is this 100 point minimum just for the Founding Member only period? Perhaps it's a tactic to get people who they KNOW want VGC to buy more than they probably really want to buy during these uncertain economic times. And then if/when Disney still has VGC points they need to sell and sales open to general DVC and general public, they will allow smaller purchase, say 25 or 50 points.

What do you think? Am I just being hopeful?:confused3

Considering that they had published a change to the minimum buy-in at BLT and then decided to keep it at 160 does give me a slight bit of hope if they find that many of the potential founding members express that the minimum is too high. At this point we'll just be waiting to see if it changes. Maybe they're testing the waters right now before sales start on the 25th.

[bethy]

Considering that they had published a change to the minimum buy-in at BLT and then decided to keep it at 160 does give me a slight bit of hope if they find that many of the potential founding members express that the minimum is too high. At this point we'll just be waiting to see if it changes. Maybe they're testing the waters right now before sales start on the 25th.

Oh I didn't know they reversed the minimum for BLT. That is good to know. I can't believe they'd be willing to turn away potential sales like that. I mean we were in for 50-75. While not a great amount that would add up over time. Maybe they are just trying to maintain VGC at a certain eschelon and trying to keep out the riff raff like me? Maybe they are trying to discourage 2 night stays in order to lesson housekeeping and other costs related to room turnover? I personally don't know many people outside the true Disney fans here who would want to go to DLR for more than 3-4 nights . . . Or would want to cook in a kitchen or do laundry while there. Maybe that's just my circle of aquaintences.

It really does feel like I might be engaging in a game of chicken soon.

[Grumpygrandpa]

It really does feel like I might be engaging in a game of chicken soon.

I think [U]everybody[U]who wants in at less than 100 points should make sure that their guide knows "I would've bought, but not now that the minimum is so high." I know many people think this resort will sell out overnight, but not me. If you are on the fence don't let DVC bully you into 100 points. You can always think about it and if they don't give in then buy your 100 points in a couple of months. I think DVC might lose this game of chicken and reduce the minimums. For those wanting less than 100 let's hope so.

[BeccaG]

Is this 100 point minimum just for the Founding Member only period? What do you think? Am I just being hopeful?:confused3

I was hoping too, of course if the point chart is like everyone is talking 100 may be what I "need" to do what I want, but that prices me out too. . .

[kerickson]

If what we've heard is true (100 pt min, high point charts) this doesn't bode well for Hawaii. I saw a post a week or so back that speculated the Hawaii points chart would be significantly higher than what we've seen and that it probably won't have a low season. That's looking more realistic every day.

It will be interesting to see how DVC membership evolves as they roll out 3 high end properties back to back (BLT, VGC & Hawaii)...I just hope the service and facilities at those resorts kept up to demand those kinds of points from the membership.

On a positive note, I am happy that the MF's are low for VGC, I won't feel as guilty if I have to use those points for a WDW stay (will actually be cheaper than using my SSR points, who would have thought!). That may work out well for non owners too trying to book VGC at 11mos...

[Raivyn]

My guide hasn't informed me that the minimum is 100 pts, but like others on here, if it is, then we're out. We only wanted to add enough points for a weekend stay here or there. We couldn't do DL in a whole week straight, but we could do 7 days stretched out throughout the year.

[christine*]

I feel like i'm missing a key piece of information or something. I get the whole add-on/buy where you want to stay thing but what are the booking windows for ownership at VGC vs ownership at another DVC resort? Is it still the 11 month vs. 7 month window? I live in Arizona and I cannot imagine myself booking to go to DL for a few days 11 months in advance unless i'm trying to stay there for Christmas or another major holiday. I love VGC and I was planning to add on there but after talking to my guide and how we travel to CA, I just ended up adding on to my home resort.

[kerickson]

I feel like i'm missing a key piece of information or something. I get the whole add-on/buy where you want to stay thing but what are the booking windows for ownership at VGC vs ownership at another DVC resort? Is it still the 11 month vs. 7 month window? I live in Arizona and I cannot imagine myself booking to go to DL for a few days 11 months in advance unless i'm trying to stay there for Christmas or another major holiday. I love VGC and I was planning to add on there but after talking to my guide and how we travel to CA, I just ended up adding on to my home resort.

Also, not having booking categories will be interesting. Members who buy VGC points and actually book 11mo in advance could get a 'woods view' room while a last minute cash ressie could snag a 'DCA view' because they arrived 30min earlier the day of... Not sure if it really matters as I don't know how good the DCA views are anyway. I've stayed at the GCH a few times and never had it as a priority to get a park view, but I'm sure there's going to be ruffled feathers...

[Laurabearz]

Ok here's an idea..

We get some founding members to buy 500 points in 10 contracts of 50 pts each, then put them all for sale and we all buy up one 50 pt contract from them.

[tjkraz]

Is this 100 point minimum just for the Founding Member only period? Perhaps it's a tactic to get people who they KNOW want VGC to buy more than they probably really want to buy during these uncertain economic times.

I wondered that, too. Hopefully that is the case.

I agree that larger contracts is a little shortsighted. Which group is going to spend more at DL on ancillary purchases (food, souvenirs, etc.)--the guest with 100+ points who visits at least 1x per year or two guests with 50-pt contracts who only visit once every 2-3 years? DVC is going to sell-out the points either way. It seems like the theme parks have more to gain by spreading out the purchases over as large a population as possible.

And even from DVC's perspective, those wanting to buy under 100 would already be sacrificing incentives. So DVC is definitely getting a better deal. In this case a 100-pt minimum would not compel me to buy more--I'll just consider other alternatives.

[Betty X]

I'd buy 50-100!
:lmao:

[stopher1]

I feel like i'm missing a key piece of information or something. I get the whole add-on/buy where you want to stay thing but what are the booking windows for ownership at VGC vs ownership at another DVC resort? Is it still the 11 month vs. 7 month window? I live in Arizona and I cannot imagine myself booking to go to DL for a few days 11 months in advance unless i'm trying to stay there for Christmas or another major holiday. I love VGC and I was planning to add on there but after talking to my guide and how we travel to CA, I just ended up adding on to my home resort.

I hear you Christine... even though you are a shorter hop away from DL than I am - I don't like the traditional booking window for DL either. I get out there 3-4x per year between personal and business trips, and the timinig is never the same each year, let alone planned out that far in advance like a longer vacation to WDW would/could be. I've enjoyed using points at the hotels if they're available, and staying with family when they aren't. This is one key thing that I'm still grappling with. Having points at VGC for our family trip west will be great, but not as great for the trips I make out there solo.

As much as my guide has heard me say I want VGC over the past year+, and as many times as she has listened to me go on and on about it - she will be quite shocked when I tell her no if the minimum truly is 100. I agree that it is short-sighted thinking on their part, but no doubt they are just thinking that they have a good product and it will sell regardless, especially since it's the first of it's kind at Disneyland... we'll just have to wait and see.

Ok here's an idea..

We get some founding members to buy 500 points in 10 contracts of 50 pts each, then put them all for sale and we all buy up one 50 pt contract from them.

What a fun idea! Cool thinking Laurabearz!

[BeccaG]

Ok here's an idea..

We get some founding members to buy 500 points in 10 contracts of 50 pts each, then put them all for sale and we all buy up one 50 pt contract from them.

I like the way you think! Are you volunteering to front us all? :)

[BeccaG]

Something I keep wondering is whether anyone really goes to DLR for a full week? Not that the point requirements still aren't high, but since we only do one 3-4 night DLR trip per year this isn't quite so painful. Our annual DLR trip is separate from our "real" vacations. It's simply a regular, proactive investment in my sanity (and in family bonding time). :love:


I feel like i'm missing a key piece of information or something. I get the whole add-on/buy where you want to stay thing but what are the booking windows for ownership at VGC vs ownership at another DVC resort? Is it still the 11 month vs. 7 month window? I live in Arizona and I cannot imagine myself booking to go to DL for a few days 11 months in advance


I was only planning on a 2-3 day trip once a year. Or even a night here and there. And as Christine stated above the reality is I probably won't plan a trip at 11 months out but the rumors about "you'll only ever be able to book if your a member" I guess motivated me to buy more. Or course I am a teacher so I go during busier times. . However, I live in so cal, and we have passes and see our mini DL trips as separate from real vacations as well .. .Which is what makes the rumors on the point chart and 100 point min. more frustrating to me! Hmm, frustrating is probably the wrong word, disappointed. The discussion on point charts and minimums has made me disappointed. We would have only gotten GCV points if my husband got the new job he is going for, but now they seem to be a bit overpriced for what you get for me and my family and our vacation habits and plans, especially because 100 points is more than I wanted to get.

[Grumpygrandpa]

Ok here's an idea..

We get some founding members to buy 500 points in 10 contracts of 50 pts each, then put them all for sale and we all buy up one 50 pt contract from them.

Do you think they will let break them into 50 pt contracts? It seems to me that if the min. buy in 100 that the min. contract would also be 100. I would love to get my 200 points in four 50 point contracts.

[toocherie]

Do you think they will let break them into 50 pt contracts? It seems to me that if the min. buy in 100 that the min. contract would also be 100. I would love to get my 200 points in four 50 point contracts.

I asked about something similar and got hesitation from my guide--who indicated they probably would not want to break into more than two contracts of 100 points each. Does anyone know whether more than two at a time is allowed? I would really like 50 point contracts for flexibility too--

[Laurabearz]

I like the way you think! Are you volunteering to front us all? :)

Sadly I am not a founding memeber (or what ever they are called)

And as far as breaking a larger point purchase into smaller contracts, they have allowed that in the past.

[kerickson]

Sadly I am not a founding memeber (or what ever they are called)

And as far as breaking a larger point purchase into smaller contracts, they have allowed that in the past.

yes, but I believe you can only break up into the current minimums. So, if the min is 100, then you probably won't be able to break into 2 50 or 4 25's. If you buy 200, you can probably break into 2 100s. I'm not an expert, but that was my previous understanding... Hard to know since the min has always been 25...

[bethy]

Another very reliable (IMO) news-centered website just verified the 100 point minimum. I'm still going to wait until I get the word officially from Disney to make a stink about it to DVC. I'm dragging out my contract now to get my ducks in a row in the meantime. When you state "up to 160" it is unreasonable to expect buyers to anticipate that it could translate to "between 100 and 160"! :sad2:

[kikiq]

Is it possible that the guides are "stuck" on the 100 point minimum because that is point purchase that you will be able to get developer points? So they are not going say the minimum is less because we all know someone is going to say that they thought that they would get DPs with any point purchase. I'm hoping it's like you go in and they're selling AKV or SSR but you really can also buy other resorts and you just have to ask. So I'll wait and hope that the 100 point minimum is the minimum to qualify for developer points and ask to only buy 25/50 without the developer points. Just hoping.

[ACDSNY]

If I go ahead and purchase 100 or more points then I'll have to figure out what do with the developer points...our trip to WDW/DCL isn't until Nov 2009 and of course the developer points expire Oct 2009. Any one ever hear of an extension if we use them for DCL instead of the SSR? I really don't want to go through the hassle of renting them. Do the guides have any wiggle room as to what developer points you get, say like a different expiration date?

[tjkraz]

Is it possible that the guides are "stuck" on the 100 point minimum because that is point purchase that you will be able to get developer points? So they are not going say the minimum is less because we all know someone is going to say that they thought that they would get DPs with any point purchase.

Sadly no. The question has been asked many different ways by multiple people now and we're all getting the same answer.

DVC could always have a change of heart or lower the minimum after the Founding Member purchase window.

[squidmo]

I'll still be buying if the minimum is 100 points, but I'll be buying less. Since I think the waiting list will be long once the points sell out, I figured we would err on the high side when buying points, and I had planned to purchase multiple small contracts so that if we found in 3 or 4 years that we had too many I would sell the excess. But if the minimum contract size is 100, then I'll have to err on the low side instead, and stay offsite (or go elsewhere...) in the years we don't have enough points.

Bummer- let's hope they come to their senses...