I heard some resort closing info today...

[wlwilliams9]

A friend of mine, who's sister works @ Disney, told me they might be closing a mod and a value resort until attendance picks up. Yikes! :scared1:

Disclaimer!(Take it for what it's worth, but she was also the one who told me about the 4/3 deal and P&PP cancellations before the DIS.)

[CarolA]

Would not surprise me. After 9/11 they closed at least part of POR and "mothballed" Pop......

I think it makes sense to do that rather then try to half staff all of them.

[Buzz2001]

A friend of mine, who's sister works @ Disney, told me they might be closing a mod and a value resort until attendance picks up. Yikes! :scared1:

Disclaimer!(Take it for what it's worth, but she was also the one who told me about the 4/3 deal and P&PP cancellations before the DIS.)If that did that, probably POFQ.

[Kae]

I would rather they do that then half staff a resort.

Kae

[BoardWalkBelle]

Hopefully thing wont get so bad that Disney needs to 'resort' to this.no pun intended.

[eva6206213]

Thank you for the info~

[Clotho]

I would be surprised if POFQ was the mod to close up, being that it is the most popular mod. But I am sure it will be based on capacity, and perhaps POFQ being lower capacity would put it in that category...

[portocall]

This would make good business sense... as long as they keep it up while it is closed so they could quickly open it when the economy is ready. Wonder which one they would chose... hopefully the one in most need of renovation work ...

[Brian Noble]

Isn't CBR due for a major refurb for the Nemo/Priate rooms? If so, that makes it a logical candidate. (I may be behind---might have already been done.)

[deej696]

While it would stink to have one of the resorts closed, it obviously makes good business sense. They could always opt to close down entire buildings at each of the mods or values as opposed to shuddering an entire resort. I was in the hotel business after 9/11 and we consolidated all of our guests to 4 of the 15 floors for probably 3 months. This allowed us to "power down" all the other floors to save on the cost.

[helenk]

Isn't CBR due for a major refurb for the Nemo/Priate rooms? If so, that makes it a logical candidate. (I may be behind---might have already been done.)

The pirate rooms are available for booking, at least for January, so I would say that they are completed or near completion.

[karibritt01]

I would be surprised if POFQ was the mod to close up, being that it is the most popular mod. But I am sure it will be based on capacity, and perhaps POFQ being lower capacity would put it in that category...

Actually... CSR has too many conventions to close, and just added the Club level rooms. CBR won't close because it is newly refurbished (at least in part) and the pirate rooms are booking fast. POR is the only mod that sleeps a family of 5. I think POFQ is the only logical choice if they have to close one.

As for a value... my guess is Pop. Since the All Stars share a food court and bus service, closing one will not make much difference in terms of expense. By closing Pop, they can cut back buses, food court, store, etc.

[catne]

Oh, darn, so of course I have two POP vacations booked for 2009 (celebrating birthdays, taking grown kids who haven't been in years!)

So, can anyone tell me...if they did close POP, what do they do with all the bookings for it? Do people get a choice on another value resort, or do they just move you, too bad, so sad? How did they handle it after 9/11? TIA

[BabyRN]

If they are closing because the economy is so bad, I think they would be crazy to close POFQ because that's the cheapest mod resort.

[JoanneNC]

sad reality of our economy but I would rather them make these hard decisions now to preserve their future growth

[portocall]

sad reality of our economy but I would rather them make these hard decisions now to preserve their future growth

I so agree. I would much prefer to still be able to have a magical vacation than one that is half done. If that means they have to close more than a few resorts so be it, as long as they are still able to accomodate those who have reservations at the ones that closed. I am not a ...or bust kind of girl so if my ressie gets moved to another resort, I would not boohoo too much.

[Clotho]

If they are closing because the economy is so bad, I think they would be crazy to close POFQ because that's the cheapest mod resort.

Don't worry. If things get "bad enough" that they have to close one for a time, the others will be cheaper, too!

[mmmears]

I agree that it's sad, but definitely better than having a bunch of half-full resorts with reduced amenities and a bare-bones staff. These times are really tough for companies as well as the rest of us.:sad2:

[DebbieB]

If they are closing because the economy is so bad, I think they would be crazy to close POFQ because that's the cheapest mod resort.

I thought all the moderates had the same rates.

[portocall]

I thought all the moderates had the same rates.

No, the Cabins are grouped in the mod category and cost more... I don't know about the others...

[DebbieB]

No, the Cabins are grouped in the mod category and cost more... I don't know about the others...

I forgot about the cabins (I think they should be in a class by themselves). I meant CBR, CSR, POR, POFQ.

http://www.mousesavers.com/moderateresorts2009.html

[portocall]

I forgot about the cabins (I think they should be in a class by themselves). I meant CBR, CSR, POR, POFQ.

http://www.mousesavers.com/moderateresorts2009.html

gotcha. I agree about the class by themselves... thought long and hard about them but decided that they didn't fit my budget now that we pushed our trip up :cool1: Helping Disney one ressie at a time...

[autumnpalm]

I agree, I would rather Disney close some resorts that cut back across the board.

I just hope no Deluxe resorts are closed!! Especially considering the DDP and TS restaurants, etc.

[HeyItsDeb]

No one answered the question if their resort closes, do they just move you wily nily or would they give you a choice?

[portocall]

It is a good question. What did they do post 9/11 I wonder?

[MelissathePooh]

No one answered the question if their resort closes, do they just move you wily nily or would they give you a choice?

Can't say for certain, but when CBR was closed for a while back in 2002 - we had reservations there. We were given the option of AKL SV or Polynesian GV for $99/night.

My best guess is that they would move you laterally (another value) if possible and if not offer an upgraded resort at the same price you were booked into.

[atksn]

I wonder how soon this would take place?? I know it is all just speculative at this point, but now my interest is peaked- we have ressies @ POP for 10 days in Feb.

[portocall]

My guess would be sooner than later... the economy is not expected to pick up and from some articles I read recently, they are looking at doing a large layoff sometiime after the end of the year. For me, they won't be able to accomodate us at just any resort since we are a family of 5, but I don't think POR will be the one to shut down.

[KiKi Mouse]

We just got home from POP and have rebooked for next December. This better just be a rumour.

[kaytieeldr]

As for a value... my guess is Pop. Since the All Stars share a food court and bus service, closing one will not make much difference in terms of expense. By closing Pop, they can cut back buses, food court, store, etc. Mm... bus service at times, okay - but at other time each resort has its own bus - but each All Star has its OWN food court. Really.

[Clotho]

Right now, it IS just a rumor. Nothing is truth until it is officially announced by Disney. So don't jump to any conclusions just yet! :)

[stitch34]

I would think with the economy being bad, to keep all the values open - as people may be looking for a more affordable way to do a Disney vacation. Aren't the values pretty popular?

And I would think Pop to be busier than the All Stars, to keep that open. And if they closed one of the All Stars, I would think it would be Sports - Movies has the most appeal of the three in my opinion, Music has the family suites. But could they just close down one All Star resort? The way they are next to each other, I would think they'd worry about people from Music or Movies accessing Sports, for example, and would want it shut down, no one having access to the property or pools there, for safety reasons, etc. I just wonder if they possibly could close down one of the All Stars by itself. Unless they closed the entire All Stars - which would save them 3 separate food courts from running, etc. If they kept Pop open - only one resort, one food court, etc to keep going.
But if it came down to them closing one of the All Stars or Pop, I would think it would be easier for them to do Pop.

Moderates - I'm guessing POFQ or CBR. I would think closing something big like CBR would save them the most money compared to POFQ. But I'm thinking POFQ will be the one.

What about one of the deluxes? What about YC?

[kaytieeldr]

gotcha. I agree about the class by themselves... thought long and hard about them but decided that they didn't fit my budget now that we pushed our trip up :cool1: Helping Disney one ressie at a time...
Fort Wilderness Cabins have just recently (i.e. some time in 2008) been reclassified as Moderate resorts.

The four original Moderate resorts have always had the exact same pricing, in comparison to each other. Sure, CBR has "Preferred" (location) rooms, and the other three Moderates offer an upraded view option - both at additional cost, even though the options aren't identical. But the room rates have always been identical.

As for lowering the prices on the open resorts if Disney closes any? Unlikely. Occupancy levels are still, afaik, within 'acceptable ranges. There doesn't appear to be a need to take both actions.

If Disney does temporarily shutter one or more resorts, they would likely NOT do it instantaneously. They would announce "____ will be closed for renovations starting __/__/09". They would stop - if they had not already, before any such announcement - accepting new reservations for that property; and they would, as suggested above, move any remaining reservations to other properties, using a variety of methods.

[lacrosse_lady72]

I would seriously consider cancelling my vacation if I had to be re-booked from POP to any All-Stars. For personal reasons, I would be beyond pissed if I had to stay there. I wouldn't even want to stay at any other mod than CBR. If both of those are shut down for September, idk what I would do. Maybe threaten to take my $5,000-7,000 I'd spend there, elsewhere. I do love New York afterall, just as much as WDW.

It probably seems like I may be over-reacting but staying at POP to my mom and I has become a big part of our trip that for whatever reason so it seems like it's equivelant to them closing DHS entirely. Oh geez, I really hope this is a rumor or they close one of the All-Star resorts. Like someone has said, each AS resort has it's own bus or can and food court.

IDK, we'll all just have to see....

[safetymom]

CBR is already being renovated.

[Lilolvr]

It would definitely be POFQ. It was closed last time the travel situation was bad.

[englishrose47]

I hope this is a rumor and not fact I am booked for May at Pop!!

[CarolA]

My vote is on POFQ and one of the All Stars.

Closing Pop takes too many rooms out of the equation.

But the other option might be to close a bigger moderate and keep all values. Disney is tracking bookings. If this 4/3 deal gets them moderate bookings then the values are at risk. If it's getting value bookings then the mods are at risk.

[mickeystoontown]

To the original poster: Will you please keep all of us updated? Thanks a bunch!

[MickeyNicki]

If that did that, probably POFQ.

Oh bummer, we are finally booked for POFQ in March! After trying to get into this resort for so many years and now to have them bump us!

[disneydaveb]

We just stayed at All-Star Movies in October. They are in serious need of a re-hab. Bad economy or not, this resort should be closed and resurbished.

[ThurlFan]

No one answered the question if their resort closes, do they just move you wily nily or would they give you a choice?

We were booked for POFQ in November of 2001. After 9/11 we got a phone call that said they were closing that resort and would rebook us into any of the other three mods (our choice). I told the reservation agent how disappointed DD would be not to get to use the pool there with the sea serpent slide, and we had already shown here pictures of where we would be staying, etc :charac2:

Long story short I talked them into an upgrade to WL at no extra charge :banana:

I'm sure this economic slump will not be near as harsh for WDW as the post 9-11 months (we were there less than 60 days after the attack), so you might not get an upgrade out of them - but you very likely be offered your choice of alternate resort within the same category.

[Traveliz]

No one answered the question if their resort closes, do they just move you wily nily or would they give you a choice?

At minimum you get placed in another resort of the same level, sometimes you get a resort upgrade (no fee); other times they will offer you a variety of options (one will definitely not cost you but the others are often great upgrades with minimal cost increase to you)

I have been to Disney dozens of times and have always wished for a closing but I always miss them by a week or so.

Liz

[TagsMissy]

I would seriously consider cancelling my vacation if I had to be re-booked from POP to any All-Stars. For personal reasons, I would be beyond pissed if I had to stay there. I wouldn't even want to stay at any other mod than CBR. If both of those are shut down for September, idk what I would do. Maybe threaten to take my $5,000-7,000 I'd spend there, elsewhere. I do love New York afterall, just as much as WDW.

It probably seems like I may be over-reacting but staying at POP to my mom and I has become a big part of our trip that for whatever reason so it seems like it's equivelant to them closing DHS entirely. Oh geez, I really hope this is a rumor or they close one of the All-Star resorts. Like someone has said, each AS resort has it's own bus or can and food court.

IDK, we'll all just have to see....

That is of course your choice to cancel if they close the hotel you chose... I'd far rather, personally, some selected hotels close temporarily and park hours get a bit shorter (which they already announced) than full closures of the resort or worse.

If they do temp shut down some limited stuff then that's a very wise business move that I support.

[50 years Too!]

For what it's worth.
My niece's choir group was booked to stay at Pop for their April trip.
It was changed to All Star Music....


Deb

[Michael623]

I remember rumors after 9/11 that they would be closing 1 of the 4 theme parks every day except during peak time. I'm waiting to see this rumor rear its ugly head again especially since we're approaching one of the slowest months.

[ariel2007]

Were booked for POFQ for April too so I want to keep an eye on this. I really don't want to stay in any other the other mods.

[NMW]

POFQ or POR (or both) make the most sense I think. CSR resort has lots of business conventions. CBR just had the newly themed rooms.

My quess for the value would be POP. It's all alone, while the other values seem like one huge connected resort. At least when you look on a map. Plus, there were those recent rumors about POP closing and being re-themed...

I would think they would do a lateral move with people if they could (value to another value, mod to another mod) and then send the extras to SSR. When AK was closing for major re-hab people got calls and offers to move to SSR or OKW for the same price.

[Boncho]

For what it's worth.
My niece's choir group was booked to stay at Pop for their April trip.
It was changed to All Star Music....


Deb

That could be because groups stay at the All Stars, not at Pop.

[lacrosse_lady72]

That is of course your choice to cancel if they close the hotel you chose... I'd far rather, personally, some selected hotels close temporarily and park hours get a bit shorter (which they already announced) than full closures of the resort or worse.

If they do temp shut down some limited stuff then that's a very wise business move that I support.

OH............. don't get me wrong, I completely understand why they would close a couple resorts. I'll just be annoyed if they close the resort I plan on staying in.

9/11 was different because it didn't effect the ecomony even remotely as much as it is hurting now. I would be surprised if they shut down a value resort before a deluxe, like PP have said. Hard times for many=value is ideal.

[Sorahana]

I wouldn't be surprised if it was Pop. I love Pop. We have never stayed at the other values, Pop is actually the first value we've stayed in and WE REALLY LIKE IT THERE lol. (We used to go maybe every 2-3 years and would stay in a moderate. We have never stayed in a deluxe because we can't afford it *sniffle*. ONE DAY! Lol.)

Well we're going in January so I hope if they do something like this it isn't THAT soon. If they did that, we'd probably want to get moved to a moderate since we wouldn't want to stay at one of the other values (no offense to the other values!).

[pamouselover]

If that did that, probably POFQ.

I hope not, or they better put me in a deluxe.Castle would be fine also.:lmao:

[englishrose47]

I don't want to stay at another value so if they close Pop I hope they offer a moderate as an alternative . I'd still prefer Pop the other resorts are too spread out for me and I think Pop's Theming is just fine the way it is !!! I had heard the rumours about retheming it and finishing Legendary years . If they close a value one of the AllStars would make more sense as there would still be 2 and it would upset less people . Pop is very Popular , more so than AllStars !!As Music has the suites it should stay open and close one of the others !!

[PrincesCJM]

It'll be interesting to see what, if anything, happens. I certainly hope that they do not close POFQ as I am booked there for my honeymoon is August. i booked it for my fiancee who lived in New Orleans for a while as a kid. The only compensation that would really make it worth my wild would be the same rate at a deluxe resort. That would be the only way I would ever get to stay at one. I can't justify the money.

[EEyorelover22]

We were booked for POFQ in 03 when they closed it. We were allowed to move to AKL for $20 more.

[pamouselover]

We were booked for POFQ in 03 when they closed it. We were allowed to move to AKL for $20 more.

Did they call you before you check in? That would be fine with me.
Though I do not thik my dates will be effected.

[CanadianGuy]

The only way closing Pop makes much sense, is if they shutter CBR at the same time. They share many services including groundskeeping, electrical maintainence, housekeeping management, etc.

So.. shuttering just one of those two wouldn't result in the maximum bang for the buck that could be had by shuttering them both.

[Mouseaholic!!!]

Fort Wilderness Cabins have just recently (i.e. some time in 2008) been reclassified as Moderate resorts.

The four original Moderate resorts have always had the exact same pricing, in comparison to each other. Sure, CBR has "Preferred" (location) rooms, and the other three Moderates offer an upraded view option - both at additional cost, even though the options aren't identical. But the room rates have always been identical.

As for lowering the prices on the open resorts if Disney closes any? Unlikely. Occupancy levels are still, afaik, within 'acceptable ranges. There doesn't appear to be a need to take both actions.

If Disney does temporarily shutter one or more resorts, they would likely NOT do it instantaneously. They would announce "____ will be closed for renovations starting __/__/09". They would stop - if they had not already, before any such announcement - accepting new reservations for that property; and they would, as suggested above, move any remaining reservations to other properties, using a variety of methods.


I disagree.

Making an announcement would overload their call centers. Everyone would call in a panic at once to find out about their reservation and that would be a nightmare.

As I remember after 9/11, the first official word we had here at the DIS was from guests who started to get telephone calls that their lodging was being changed as they shut down POFQ.


I would hate to see it but I think they might consider shuttering a Delux. We have noticed (on the castmember site) that the values and moderates do not always have the availability that DVC and the Deluxe's have. Perhaps people are trying to save a Disney holiday by stepping down the hotel expense by dropping into a Moderate vs a Delux.....just my opinion, however.

[EEyorelover22]

Did they call you before you check in? That would be fine with me.
Though I do not thik my dates will be effected.

I found out through a friend here and check disboards for the info. I cannot remember if there was an annoucement, but there was a special team to move people. POFQ is much smaller that CBR so I am not how they would do that, but I suppose this economy is worse than 2003. I found out spring break timeframe which was late March for us and we were going in mid June. I cannot remember when they closed officially...maybe April? I can't remember. It was only our second trip and I was really annoyed. I'm even more annoyed now because I've spend a lot of cash on AKL since then:rotfl: It was an evil plot:rotfl:

POFQ must have closed in May...April would have been too close, but I think I remember some people only being a short time out from their trip. Thank goodness we didn't switch to the Grand!!

[kaytieeldr]

Making an announcement would overload their call centers. Everyone would call in a panic at once to find out about their reservation and that would be a nightmare.
Well, I don't see how. I mean, Disney has closed resorts for relatively extended periods of time in the past; that information is provided to, at least, Travel Agents. Sites like this one and allears get their information from Travel Agents. Then they provide that information to us.

It's not as if Disney is going to start running tv ads stating that a resort will be closed for whatever reason, or even print ads.

They would stop taking new reservations, they would inform Travel Agents so those people/entities would stop offering that resort as an option, and they would have a plan in place to notify Guests who would be directly affected, i.e. the people with existing reservations after the closing date, and they would have alternatives in place for those Guests.

[NMW]

I disagree.

Making an announcement would overload their call centers. Everyone would call in a panic at once to find out about their reservation and that would be a nightmare.

As I remember after 9/11, the first official word we had here at the DIS was from guests who started to get telephone calls that their lodging was being changed as they shut down POFQ.


I would hate to see it but I think they might consider shuttering a Delux. We have noticed (on the castmember site) that the values and moderates do not always have the availability that DVC and the Deluxe's have. Perhaps people are trying to save a Disney holiday by stepping down the hotel expense by dropping into a Moderate vs a Delux.....just my opinion, however.

I don't think they would close a deluxe resort, ever. They simply make too much money per night. Pop and Allstars are dirt cheap (for a nights stay). You are talking about rooms that go for $400++ a night vs. rooms that cost what, $100 a night? Disney booking 1 MK view room at the POLY at close to $600 a night...they'd have to book 6 rooms at POP to make that much.

Plus, bad economy or not the people that can still afford to stay in deluxes, will still book them. We booked the POLY 6 mos out for May 09 and could not get MK view, it was all booked. So "someone" is booking these rooms. ;)

[CanadianGuy]

We booked the POLY 6 mos out for May 09 and could not get MK view, it was all booked. So "someone" is booking these rooms.

Or... some buildings and their full complement of rooms have already been removed from inventory and therefore are not available for booking. This has been done before and could be an easy explanation for your experience.

Those MK view rooms are at a premium any time of year, just like Savannah view rooms at AKL, or whatever.

Reducing the available inventory and shuttering individual buildings is definitely happening *right now* at Disney. It's one way to keep a resort that is running at less than optimal booking status... profitable.

[Mouseaholic!!!]

Or... some buildings and their full complement of rooms have already been removed from inventory and therefore are not available for booking. This has been done before and could be an easy explanation for your experience.

Those MK view rooms are at a premium any time of year, just like Savannah view rooms at AKL, or whatever.

Reducing the available inventory and shuttering individual buildings is definitely happening *right now* at Disney. It's one way to keep a resort that is running at less than optimal booking status... profitable.


You are RIGHT!

I remember one side of AKL was closed for the longest time. I guess that's why they could give away part of the hotel to DVC. If the cash guests had kept it full, I doubt they would have done that.

We stayed at the Grand Cali in DL in September on the Briza Courtyard (love it by the way). Anyway, for most of our stay the wing across from our room was dark - no one home.

[lucytootsie]

Okay I will not panic here. I am however staying at POP 2/28-3/7. I would prefer a mod I really did not like the looks of the all stars. This is our 1st trip so I need a little help. If I am unable to grab a mod which allstar would you guys suggest. This slow time/bad economy is starting to make this a difficult trip between trying to plan on spectro and fantasmic only showing a couple of times. HELP!!

[Peter Pirate 2]

Deluxe hotels will be shuttered when demand for them decreases below profitability levels.

Talking to a friend the other day and was told that the Universal Hotels were operating with as low as 15% occupancy this fall!!! This is stunning and while WDW probably hasn't hit those lows yet, just wait until Jan.
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[LuvOrlando]

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[TSMAMI]

:sad1: this is sad news.

[mickeystoontown]

A friend of mine, who's sister works @ Disney, told me they might be closing a mod and a value resort until attendance picks up. Yikes! :scared1:

Disclaimer!(Take it for what it's worth, but she was also the one who told me about the 4/3 deal and P&PP cancellations before the DIS.)

Are you able to provide any update from your friend's sister?

[cmash95]

may is a huge time of year for asian travels. surprisingly it's one of the hardest months to book. as far as closers go, disney wont shutter an entire deluxe hotel but they will do refurb. there is actually more demand for those rooms than the moderates or value. the cbr just got refurbed so I doubt they would shutter that one. they could close half of Port orleans, maybe even riverside to "refurb" the resort like they did with cbr in 2002. if they shuttered a value i would figure it would be pop century because they house all the bands and cheerleaders and such at all stars. and the cheerleading competitions are what keep the studios full in feb.

[Tink's Tormentor]

I am still not convinced Disney will be shutting down an entire resort... Like someone said, maybe a block here and there, and then refurb the rooms while they are not available... But, an entire resort?? I am not so sure things are that drastic yet...

[lisadr]

Deluxe hotels will be shuttered when demand for them decreases below profitability levels.

Talking to a friend the other day and was told that the Universal Hotels were operating with as low as 15% occupancy this fall!!! This is stunning and while WDW probably hasn't hit those lows yet, just wait until Jan.
pirate:

Are you talking about this past fall or the upcoming 2009? If you're talking about 2008-I think Disney crushed them with Free Dining. The fact that they extended it into Oct. & Nov. probably hurt the other resorts/hotels quite a bit.

[Peter Pirate 2]

I am talking 2008 and yes free dining has some impact but still 15%? Also, the fact that WDW has ramped up the free dining indicates they were having occupancy concerns even further back than this recent discussion.
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[aurora23]

I really hope these rumors are not true. My fiancee and I are booked at POP in September for our Honeymoon. It was not our first choice but I just graduated from my Masters program and my fiancee lost his job so it was allwe could afford right now. I can't imagine staying in another value resort. Please let this not be true.

[Tink's Tormentor]

I am talking 2008 and yes free dining has some impact but still 15%? Also, the fact that WDW has ramped up the free dining indicates they were having occupancy concerns even further back than this recent discussion.
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What are the occupancy percentages of Universal Resort area hotels usually??

[Peter Pirate 2]

What are the occupancy percentages of Universal Resort area hotels usually??

This I do not know, hopefully someone out there does, but they are Loews Hotels so I'm sure 15% isn't commonplace or acceptable although I'm also sure their general occupancy rates are well below the numbers WDW hotels have grown accustomed to.

But I DO know they really put the hammer down as far as layoffs of the poeple who can least afford it, valets, bell service, housekeeping, etc. SO it doesn't sound like thy're very optimistic either.
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[Tink's Tormentor]

This I do not know, hopefully someone out there does, but they are Loews Hotels so I'm sure 15% isn't commonplace or acceptable although I'm also sure their general occupancy rates are well below the numbers WDW hotels have grown accustomed to.

But I DO know they really put the hammer down as far as layoffs of the poeple who can least afford it, valets, bell service, housekeeping, etc. SO it doesn't sound like thy're very optimistic either.
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15% is very low and unacceptable... I am sure their hotels are on the same level occupancy wise as Disney's...

[englishrose47]

All of this is just RUMOR remember that !! I remember all the Rumors about the new dining plan for 2008 ,most of the rumors were wrong!! I'm going in May and Sept and while Pop is my value of choice, my September trip will prolly be at AllStars as that'swhere the friends we are going with want to stay !!So if Pop closes and I am moved to AllStars I will have a preview !!and if AlStars is closed I'll get my POP!! Wherever I am as long as its Disney I'llbe Happy!!

[RescueRanger]

I really hope these rumors are not true. My fiancee and I are booked at POP in September for our Honeymoon. It was not our first choice but I just graduated from my Masters program and my fiancee lost his job so it was allwe could afford right now. I can't imagine staying in another value resort. Please let this not be true.


First of all, congratulations on your upcoming marriage. As far as POP closing, don't worry. If they do close it, they will usually offer you some great upgrades. We were booked when POFQ was closed. We were only paying $89 a night discounted rate. They first offered to move us to another moderate. I said that I didn't want another moderate. They ended up offering us POLY for only $35 a night more. So, this could end up working in your favor. We have ressies for POR in March. I hope if they close a resort its POR, I wouldn't mind a nice upgrade.:thumbsup2

[EEyorelover22]

We were also booked at POFQ when they closed and they offered us CBR and I said no. We were paying $74 per night and we were moved to AKL Sav. View for $94 per night. We have never gone back from AKL/V. I'm glad I didn't take the Grand;)

[disneybridetobe]

Well, I have April booked, and I just can't bring myself to cancel our December trip. Both are for Pop. If they close it, I won't be heartbroken, but I'll do whatever I can to not get stuck at an All Stars... we went to AS SP last year, and well, never doing that again!

[disneybridetobe]

Oh, and I may be crazy, but didn't they close POFQ or POR in the early 90's, around 1993? I remember being there and "half" of the resort was closed. My memory is fuzzy since I was 12... but I distinctly remember one of the Port Orleans resorts being closed.

[EEyorelover22]

Oh, and I may be crazy, but didn't they close POFQ or POR in the early 90's, around 1993? I remember being there and "half" of the resort was closed. My memory is fuzzy since I was 12... but I distinctly remember one of the Port Orleans resorts being closed.

It was after 9/11 that I remember. It was our second trip to Disney in 2003. That's when they closed all of POFQ. Not sure about earlier closures though.

[huge mickey fan]

I know people are saying they would never close a deluxe but I think the deluxes are at just as much of a risk. For example if Pop is consistantly at a 80-90% booking rate and one of the deluxes is at a 30-40% booking rate I would think they may be on the temporary closing block. I was just at CBR and ALL Star Movies in Oct and I doubt either of these would be closing. CBR is in the middle of a refurb and All Star Movies is very popular and so is Pop. POR is one of the few places a family of 5 can stay and All Star Music has the family suites. My guess would be All Star Sports, and POFQ. It would be easy to close access to All Star Sports by closing up the main building and putting up a wall around the pools. But before they completely close any resort I would think they would just shut down some of the sections. CBR has many "villiages" and closing one section would be easy. Same with the All Stars. I would even think this would be done at Poly and GF.

[TSMAMI]

I posted this on another thread, I talked to a CM to change part of my reservation today and we started talking about POP Century. I told her of the rumor that I had heard about it closing or shutting down some buildings, and she told me that it is not closing, she stated that she heard they were going to expand it. I am assuming she means finishing Legendary Years. I feel a little better now.:confused3

[Karlzmom]

I know people are saying they would never close a deluxe but I think the deluxes are at just as much of a risk. For example if Pop is consistantly at a 80-90% booking rate and one of the deluxes is at a 30-40% booking rate I would think they may be on the temporary closing block. I was just at CBR and ALL Star Movies in Oct and I doubt either of these would be closing. CBR is in the middle of a refurb and All Star Movies is very popular and so is Pop. POR is one of the few places a family of 5 can stay and All Star Music has the family suites. My guess would be All Star Sports, and POFQ. It would be easy to close access to All Star Sports by closing up the main building and putting up a wall around the pools. But before they completely close any resort I would think they would just shut down some of the sections. CBR has many "villiages" and closing one section would be easy. Same with the All Stars. I would even think this would be done at Poly and GF.


Ah, but people at the value won't complain about an "upgrade" to a deluxe..any deluxe. You take a CL paying guest at a deluxe and tell them that they either have to move to another hotel or, heaven forbid, downgrade and watch the feathers fly!

[Clotho]

Ah, but people at the value won't complain about an "upgrade" to a deluxe..any deluxe. You take a CL paying guest at a deluxe and tell them that they either have to move to another hotel or, heaven forbid, downgrade and watch the feathers fly!

Just what I was going to say. They can discount a deluxe and keep everyone happy. But try to move deluxers to a value, and you will lose business.

[tinkbyday]

Just what I was going to say. They can discount a deluxe and keep everyone happy. But try to move deluxers to a value, and you will lose business.


Absolutely - I would not go if I had to stay at a value. I prefer the deluxe accomodations and all that goes with it (indoor corridors, theming, TS restaurants, etc).

I'm getting a negative feeling from a couple of posts and I'm not sure why the "us vs them" mentality has to be brought into this thread.

[Misty89]

i do not believe the rumor.
we are traveling to Orlando in Feb, and the first two weeks of the Month, all values and Poly are sold out........who knows about the rest.
Disney is not being affected by the economy, at all! if anything -
it is trhiving! offering all the deals they are keeping the parks full, too full - in IMHO
obvisoulsy if resorts are booked solid in the #@$%^&* slow time.
i am Not a happy camper, i can never catch a break no matter what time of the year i go to WDW.

[rantnnravin]

i do not believe the rumor.
we are traveling to Orlando in Feb, and the first two weeks of the Month, all values and Poly are sold out........who knows about the rest.
Disney is not being affected by the economy, at all! if anything -
it is trhiving! offering all the deals they are keeping the parks full, too full - in IMHO
obvisoulsy if resorts are booked solid in the #@$%^&* slow time.
i am Not a happy camper, i can never catch a break no matter what time of the year i go to WDW.

There really is no telling if the resort is "booked solid". It may seem that way if the values and poly appear to be sold out. But all it takes to make them appear that way is to limit bookings to a certain percentage of rooms/buildings/sections.

[EEyorelover22]

We were there Dec 20-25 and although the parks were very busy, WL was not and there were standard rooms available for the 26th and 27th...long story, but I checked for two additional nights close to our departure.

I assume this means that people are staying off site because it costs less. Perhaps the values and mods were full although POR was not when I called in late Nov and I could still get a room with a public code less than 30 days out. I was also able to use a public code for a standard room at WL which I think always sells out fast.

[chuckml]

We just booked POFQ two weeks ago with the 4/3 deal, and now I'm reading alot of rumors that it may be on the chopping block. Anybody have any more info on this? For what its worth, we booked for 2/28-3/07, so it is only like six weeks out, an even with the 4/3 promo, we basically had our choice of resorts and room levels to choose from. I like the way it sounds for crowd levels, but it doesn't seem to be very encouraging as far resort closings would go. Thanks in advance for any info on this

[mitros]

We just booked POFQ two weeks ago with the 4/3 deal, and now I'm reading alot of rumors that it may be on the chopping block. Anybody have any more info on this? For what its worth, we booked for 2/28-3/07, so it is only like six weeks out, an even with the 4/3 promo, we basically had our choice of resorts and room levels to choose from. I like the way it sounds for crowd levels, but it doesn't seem to be very encouraging as far resort closings would go. Thanks in advance for any info on this

I don't know what you heard about crowd levels, but they will be high with all the offers Disney is putting out there. Generally, crowds will be high all year. Spoke to a reservationist on the phone a few days ago, and she said they are doing land office business. Seems like everyone is going to Disney........................bum economy???:confused3 :sad2: I don't think so, at least not as far as WDW is concerned.

[RescueRanger]

I don't know what you heard about crowd levels, but they will be high with all the offers Disney is putting out there. Generally, crowds will be high all year. Spoke to a reservationist on the phone a few days ago, and she said they are doing land office business. Seems like everyone is going to Disney........................bum economy???:confused3 :sad2: I don't think so, at least not as far as WDW is concerned.


Mitros...what is your angle? You comment on just about every thread that involves Disney, the economy, and attendance. You try to contradict everything that others state. If someone tells you that they went for the week and it was dead, you come back with NOOO! I went one day and it was mobbed. Really? You went one day in a week and it was mobbed? Are you making assumptions that it was mobbed all week in all parks because it was mobbed that one day? Was it mobbed in every park on that "ONE" day that you went or did you just go to one park? Did it ever occur to you that maybe you are just picking the wrong parks on the wrong days? If you would just take a step back and realize how foolish you are sounding, you might realize that there are others who may actually know more than you. People have given you facts about the lower attendance and decreased reservations but you still ignore them. Even Disney itself has said that it has been hurt by the recession, but yet you still ignore the facts. Disney has been hurt and will continue to be hurt by the recession, and you hiding your head in the sand will not change that. Sorry to others for the long rant, but the constant contradictions by mitros has gotten beyond annoying.

[LVSWL]

Maybe he thinks that if we are worried about the crowd levels then maybe we won't go. NOT!:rotfl: I really do welcome all of the info on this thread.

[RescueRanger]

Maybe he thinks that if we are worried about the crowd levels then maybe we won't go. NOT!:rotfl:


Maybe you're right. Makes perfect sense now.:rotfl2: :rotfl2:

[chuckml]

Thanks guys. I know I'm a newbie on this site, but I have been to Disney 11 times in my 36 years, and I have never seen so many incentives being offered to visit. I checked Disney's website again last night, and still nearly every resort at every room level is still available at the 4/3 rate. I can't imagine the crowd levels are what Disney is used to having. Thanks again in advance for any info you guys may have.

[Uncleromulus]

For what (little) this is worth, friends of ours just got back from WDW (7 nights) on Sunday. They said it was VERY crowded, with lines at all the major attractions. All the restaurants were full (Signature spots mostly).
I often hear all kinds of talk on the decline of restaurant business. Yet the last 4 times we went out (around here), it was SRO and at two of them we couldn't get anywhere near the bar to get our usual seats!!
So if the country is dying, it certainly isn't dead yet!
As to what the future holds for WDW, who knows? It may be possible to keep the parks etc looking full with all the special offers, but that would certainly cut into any profits. Good or bad business idea? I don't know.
PS: Our friends are repeat WDW visitors--they have a good idea what a crowd is.

[NMW]

I know 2 families that just booked Disney trips with the buy 4/get 3 deal (one BC and the other BWI) and another one that is going to do it once they find out their sons lacrosse schedule this week. We were not planning on going to Disney this year because we have a fairly expensive vacation planned in June. However, the buy4/get3 deal was too good for us to pass up.

I had booked the POLY Theme Park View and DH convinced me just last night to switch to YC water view. We always stay at the Epcot resorts and I wanted to try something new...long story short I drank a bottle of wine and agreed to switch. Don't get me wrong, I love the BC/YC resorts and know it will be a great trip. However, this morning I went on WDW's website to see if the POLY was still available with the buy4/get3 deal, and it is not. Nor is the GF, and I think the CR only had bay lake view. Then I thought I'd upgrade to club level water view at the YC. This was on the website as available with the deal yesterday. Today only garden club is available. since we have the deluxe dining plan, I stuck with the better view.

My point is that not all resorts are still available with the deal. So, people are booking them. The other families I know are taking previously unplanned trips to WDW in the Spring because of the deals. How many other families in the country do you think will too? I really doubt Disney is going to be dead in May. I bet it will be mostly like last May, maybe slightly less crowded because of the economy. I would love lighter crowds. :goodvibes

[Minnie Lor]

I really doubt Disney is going to be dead in May. I bet it will be mostly like last May, maybe slightly less crowded because of the economy. I would love lighter crowds. :goodvibes

I agree. Disney is a business that has to worry about a 5% or a 10% decline in park attendence. Afterall, that'll hurt their stockholders and the boards huge bonuses.

I don't want to see Disney hurting but I am thrilled they are offering good deals. I also will be happy to see 5% - 10% fewer people in the parks.

[CanadianGuy]

Anecdotal crowd information is and always will be.. highly subjective.

Not the least of which is because rides and shows operate at various capacity levels. Run everything at half capacity and shorten the park hours (which Disney has done) and by gosh darn it - a half empty park will look full.

But it's not.

I've consistently reported the "actual" way way below usual occupancy %'s and nobody wants to believe me. Fine, don't believe me. The mere fact alone that the buy 4 get 3 offer hasn't sold out.. (it wasn't on ALL room inventory .. just a select # of rooms..) is a very key indicator that all is not rosy in Orlando.

Yes vacation times will still be very busy. Yes, spring break, Easter and the Fourth of July will be nuts.

But let's see about the first week of May.. or the last week of February. And not anecdotal, but actual occupancy numbers.. Right now, neither is look very pretty.

Like Ripley said "Believe it, or not." - Either way, it's true.

Now.. having said that.. I don't think any resorts will be shuttering in the next 90 days.. but in the next 12 months?

I dunno.. maybe.

If I knew the answer to what the economy was going to do, I sure wouldn't be posting it on the DIS! :)

Knox

[chuckml]

I know 2 families that just booked Disney trips with the buy 4/get 3 deal (one BC and the other BWI) and another one that is going to do it once they find out their sons lacrosse schedule this week. We were not planning on going to Disney this year because we have a fairly expensive vacation planned in June. However, the buy4/get3 deal was too good for us to pass up.

I had booked the POLY Theme Park View and DH convinced me just last night to switch to YC water view. We always stay at the Epcot resorts and I wanted to try something new...long story short I drank a bottle of wine and agreed to switch. Don't get me wrong, I love the BC/YC resorts and know it will be a great trip. However, this morning I went on WDW's website to see if the POLY was still available with the buy4/get3 deal, and it is not. Nor is the GF, and I think the CR only had bay lake view. Then I thought I'd upgrade to club level water view at the YC. This was on the website as available with the deal yesterday. Today only garden club is available. since we have the deluxe dining plan, I stuck with the better view.

My point is that not all resorts are still available with the deal. So, people are booking them. The other families I know are taking previously unplanned trips to WDW in the Spring because of the deals. How many other families in the country do you think will too? I really doubt Disney is going to be dead in May. I bet it will be mostly like last May, maybe slightly less crowded because of the economy. I would love lighter crowds. :goodvibes

When I said that nearly all the resorts and room levels were still available, I was talking about 2/28-3/07. The Poly had all room types available, GF had everything but theme park view (including club level), WL and AK had your choice of rooms, and all the values and moderates had availability as far as I can remember. Don't get me wrong, I'm sure it will not be dead no matter when you go, I was just concerned about the POFQ possibly being temporarily shut down since I have ressies there for that week, and I've seen a mess of rumors floating around the web that it was a possibility that they would close one or more of the resorts

[DC7800]

I've consistently reported the "actual" way way below usual occupancy %'s and nobody wants to believe me.

Keep the numbers coming, please. Some of us not only believe you (if anything, the numbers weren't as bad as I'd feared), but I also appreciate what you have been able to share in this case.

My assumption, for what little it's worth, is that resort closures will happen or not based on how soon the economy shows increasing signs of either bottoming out or else continuing decline. If anyone really knew where the economy was going, Disney (and other corporations) could respond accordingly.

[CanadianGuy]

Keep the numbers coming, please. Some of us not only believe you (if anything, the numbers weren't as bad as I'd feared), but I also appreciate what you have been able to share in this case.

My assumption, for what little it's worth, is that resort closures will happen or not based on how soon the economy shows increasing signs of either bottoming out or else continuing decline. If anyone really knew where the economy was going, Disney (and other corporations) could respond accordingly.

Well.. the next sign of 'things not going well'... could well be yet another extension of the 4/3 offer.. or a similar type offer to replace it coming out in 7 to 14 days.

Knox

[mickeystoontown]

Well.. the next sign of 'things not going well'... could well be yet another extension of the 4/3 offer.. or a similar type offer to replace it coming out in 7 to 14 days.

Knox

Are you able to give us more info on this similar offer? Wondering if it is better than the buy 4/get 3 free deal and the dates of the offer.

[CanadianGuy]

Are you able to give us more info on this similar offer? Wondering if it is better than the buy 4/get 3 free deal and the dates of the offer.

I don't even know that there WILL be such an offer. I'm merely saying that is the thing to watch for to know "how Disney is doing"

[mickeystoontown]

I don't even know that there WILL be such an offer. I'm merely saying that is the thing to watch for to know "how Disney is doing"

Oh, I get it now....forgive me, it's been a long hard day at the office.:)

[CanadianGuy]

Oh, I get it now....forgive me, it's been a long hard day at the office.:)

No worries - Hakuna Matata.. :)

http://www.kadinsky.com/product_images/6517Hakuna%20Matata.jpg

[RescueRanger]

Anecdotal crowd information is and always will be.. highly subjective.

Not the least of which is because rides and shows operate at various capacity levels. Run everything at half capacity and shorten the park hours (which Disney has done) and by gosh darn it - a half empty park will look full.

But it's not.

I've consistently reported the "actual" way way below usual occupancy %'s and nobody wants to believe me. Fine, don't believe me. The mere fact alone that the buy 4 get 3 offer hasn't sold out.. (it wasn't on ALL room inventory .. just a select # of rooms..) is a very key indicator that all is not rosy in Orlando.

Yes vacation times will still be very busy. Yes, spring break, Easter and the Fourth of July will be nuts.

But let's see about the first week of May.. or the last week of February. And not anecdotal, but actual occupancy numbers.. Right now, neither is look very pretty.

Like Ripley said "Believe it, or not." - Either way, it's true.

Now.. having said that.. I don't think any resorts will be shuttering in the next 90 days.. but in the next 12 months?

I dunno.. maybe.

If I knew the answer to what the economy was going to do, I sure wouldn't be posting it on the DIS! :)

Knox


I believe you Knox!!::yes:: ::yes::

You are one of the few people on the boards who consistently has credible information. I always look forward to your take on speculation or rumors becuase you seem to have pretty good sources. Even if posters like mitros don't want to hear the truth, the rest of us do. Keep that info coming.:thumbsup2

[Joeguitar]

I believe you Knox!!::yes:: ::yes::

You are one of the few people on the boards who consistently has credible information. I always look forward to your take on speculation or rumors becuase you seem to have pretty good sources. Even if posters like mitros don't want to hear the truth, the rest of us do. Keep that info coming.:thumbsup2

+1:thumbsup2

[MinnieLove]

A couple days ago I had an interesting conversation with CM answering calls for the reservation line. The computer ressie program was taking forever to find our info. I asked how busy they had been? CM - we are working a mandatory 10 hrs overtime each week. ME- Really. CM - So busy since 4/3 specials and new pins given. ME- Have they reduced head count in your dept? CM- of course but now working overtime. And callers are getting frustrated. I had called to see what the nightly rate was for SSR for 2 bd villa on current ressie, almost $900 night for early March. We cancelled ressie but are still going to WDW. CM said had received quite a few cancellations lately.

They are reducing head count in all areas and reducing hours and shows. But raising resort prices or limiting number of rooms available for specials.

[dizfan]

Here's a sign that things are not going well at the parks/resorts.

Disney offering buyouts to execs.

http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story/Disney-offering-buyouts-600-execs/story.aspx?guid={6866FE73-B54C-4969-93EC-85368210BF39}

[crazy4wdw]

Well.. the next sign of 'things not going well'... could well be yet another extension of the 4/3 offer.. or a similar type offer to replace it coming out in 7 to 14 days.

There're a few rumors on other Disney fan sites that indicate the 4/3 offer is going to be extended through March. There's a possibilty that the offer may be extended past the 6/27/09 booking window. It'll be interesting to see what develops over the next few days.

[CanadianGuy]

There're a few rumors on other Disney fan sites that indicate the 4/3 offer is going to be extended through March. There's a possibilty that the offer may be extended past the 6/27/09 booking window. It'll be interesting to see what develops over the next few days.

Yeah.. I won't be surprised unfortunately.

[RescueRanger]

Yeah.. I won't be surprised unfortunately.


It's official. The booking deadline has been extended to March 29.:hourglass

[mickeystoontown]

It's official. The booking deadline has been extended to March 29.:hourglass

I saw that on the Disney World website, Special Offers page, too.

[timmac]

Along the same vein of "special offers", I got a pin code via e-mail today, for booking in (if I recall correctly) the May timeframe, where I'd get a "free" $500 gift card. Honestly, I've never seen anything even close to that previously.

[disneybridetobe]

Along the same vein of "special offers", I got a pin code via e-mail today, for booking in (if I recall correctly) the May timeframe, where I'd get a "free" $500 gift card. Honestly, I've never seen anything even close to that previously.

Yeah, I got one of those last November. NOT a deal! I mean great if you're going on those dates anyway, but it just wasn't a bargain by any stretch.

[CanadianGuy]

It's official. The booking deadline has been extended to March 29.:hourglass

Good for people planning to go.. but unfortunately.. not good news for Disney.

[LVSWL]

Knox rocks!:thumbsup2

[doconeill]

Last week I called CRO to book a couple of days at the POP for SWW (surprise for DD#1 - don't tell her... :) ). He asked if I had a PIN code, and I said I've never gotten one, but that I was a DVC/AP person so if there were any discounts available there I was eligible (I knew AP discounts had only gone as far as April 2nd).

He seemed to "find" a PIN code on my account, getting me two weekend nights at $75 each instead of the listed $125...40% off. Didn't say anything about a $500 gift card though :)

I asked him to recheck the two nights we are at POR for our April stay, and that we were flexible on the resort, but apparent that was during a "blackout" on that code and no other discount was available yet, so my dream of a couple cheap nights at the Poly has been delayed... :(

I don't know the deal on PIN codes (I hear people get them in the mail - I've never gotten one), so I don't know if this was a "regular" 40% off deal, or they are already starting to discount rooms further out.

But they are still booking the Poly for June...

[redrosesix]

As for a value... my guess is Pop. Since the All Stars share a food court and bus service, closing one will not make much difference in terms of expense. By closing Pop, they can cut back buses, food court, store, etc.

#1 The All Stars do not share anything except buses, and each one gets its own when they are very busy.

#2 There are reports that Pop is going to resume construction, to build more family suites.

#3 It doesn't make sense to close a value when times are tough, since more tourists are likely to use them, especially first time visitors. But Disney doesn't always do what makes sense. Maybe they will close one of the All Stars for "refurbishment" - not ASMusic, since that was just done recently.

[lewdyan1]

For what it's worth (probably not much) I was just at POP and there were big construction like trucks over near the unfinished buildings. I saw a few people over there, but no mass construction happening. :)

[mickeystoontown]

Did the original poster ever come back and update the "rumor"? Just wondering?

[DisneyBugs]

If they want attendance up, I'd think it would be smart to consider keeping things affordable -- so why focus the close on value or mod? why not shut down a block of rooms at GF, BW, WL, etc?
I'd be less apt to go on vacation there if all the remaining value and mods were booked up, than pay top dollar to stay at one of the more expensive resorts. All we do is shower and sleep there, so we like to stay on property at the lower cost locations.

[CanadianGuy]

For what it's worth (probably not much) I was just at POP and there were big construction like trucks over near the unfinished buildings. I saw a few people over there, but no mass construction happening. :)

My sources say construction is moving ahead this spring... for once my sources and Jim Hill'sa agree.

I'm scared.

[jfinke]

My sources say construction is moving ahead this spring... for once my sources and Jim Hill'sa agree.

I'm scared.

Now you have done it. There is a break in the space time continuum. :hourglass

[CanadianGuy]

Now you have done it. There is a break in the space time continuum. :hourglass

But will I need 1.21 Gigawatts and Delorean to make things right? Cuz that's a whole other set of themeparks.. or at least used to be.

:thumbsup2

[doconeill]

But will I need 1.21 Gigawatts and Delorean to make things right? Cuz that's a whole other set of themeparks.. or at least used to be.

:thumbsup2

If I go back in time and stop Jim Hill from being born, will there be a paradox? Or will the number of posts on Disney forums around the world drop by an order of magnitude? :)

[lewdyan1]

http://images.photo2.walgreens.com/232323232%7Ffp5324%3A%3Enu%3D3238%3E%3A82%3E%3A7%3 B%3EWSNRCG%3D32343542989%3A6nu0mrj

These were in the parking lot this weekend. Maybe work is starting soon.:)

[jfinke]

But will I need 1.21 Gigawatts and Delorean to make things right? Cuz that's a whole other set of themeparks.. or at least used to be.

:thumbsup2

Ellen could help out here as well. Or maybe Mrs. Hukstable. Take out Jim Hill's ancestor dinosaur.

[CanadianGuy]

http://images.photo2.walgreens.com/232323232%7Ffp5324%3A%3Enu%3D3238%3E%3A82%3E%3A7%3 B%3EWSNRCG%3D32343542989%3A6nu0mrj

These were in the parking lot this weekend. Maybe work is starting soon.:)

Thanks for the pic!

Those are I think - trucks containing new mattresses for Pop Century existing rooms.

They are in the process of replacing them I'm told. It's been an ongoing process since mid-late December and the trucks have been there since then.

[redrosesix]

Thanks for the pic!

Those are I think - trucks containing new mattresses for Pop Century existing rooms.

They are in the process of replacing them I'm told. It's been an ongoing process since mid-late December and the trucks have been there since then.

To me, this is just more proof that Disney isn't as efficient as it could be. Wonder if they've ever heard of Just-in-time inventory control? Time is money. They could do way better at controlling costs in some areas, but choose to reduce park hours, etc. to save money.

[CanadianGuy]

To me, this is just more proof that Disney isn't as efficient as it could be. Wonder if they've ever heard of Just-in-time inventory control? Time is money. They could do way better at controlling costs in some areas, but choose to reduce park hours, etc. to save money.

I don't imagine that the extra costs associated with this are relevant or substantial in the way you are thinking.

They need trucks to haul away the old mattresses.. so it makes sense to park the trailers, do the mattress swaps .. (remember, almost 1900 rooms.. it doesn't happen overnight..) and then have the same trailers haul away the old mattresses.

And it would cost way more to ship the mattress a few at a time.. as less-than-load shipments.. and then where do they store them etc? Not mention, you're gonna get a better price buying all 1900 at ONCE vs buying 200 at a time and paying to ship 200 at a time.

I think your complaint on this one is mis-placed. Sorry.

Knox

[mana_liz]

Thanks for the pic!

Those are I think - trucks containing new mattresses for Pop Century existing rooms.

They are in the process of replacing them I'm told. It's been an ongoing process since mid-late December and the trucks have been there since then.


Actually mattress replacement started earlier than December...we just got home Sunday and our mattress was replaced in July.

[CanadianGuy]

Actually mattress replacement started earlier than December...we just got home Sunday and our mattress was replaced in July.

Well I'd love to speculate the trucks contain furniture for the new rooms.. but I doubt THAT could be true. :)

I can't believe mattress replacement would take that long.. but then who knows I guess.

[doconeill]

Well I'd love to speculate the trucks contain furniture for the new rooms.. but I doubt THAT could be true. :)

I can't believe mattress replacement would take that long.. but then who knows I guess.

I suppose these trailers could contain stuff for OTHER areas as well, and this is just a storage area right now. BCV is getting some work done, I believe YC is soon. It could be trackage for Space Mountain...

Just pointing out that trucks there do not mean much, unless you see what they are doing with them.

[Joeguitar]

I don't imagine that the extra costs associated with this are relevant or substantial in the way you are thinking.

They need trucks to haul away the old mattresses.. so it makes sense to park the trailers, do the mattress swaps .. (remember, almost 1900 rooms.. it doesn't happen overnight..) and then have the same trailers haul away the old mattresses.

And it would cost way more to ship the mattress a few at a time.. as less-than-load shipments.. and then where do they store them etc? Not mention, you're gonna get a better price buying all 1900 at ONCE vs buying 200 at a time and paying to ship 200 at a time.

I think your complaint on this one is mis-placed. Sorry.

Knox

+1
This is a much more logical way to preform such a large task and on inventory that they are not going to receive a direct financial return on.

[CanadianGuy]

I suppose these trailers could contain stuff for OTHER areas as well, and this is just a storage area right now. BCV is getting some work done, I believe YC is soon. It could be trackage for Space Mountain...

Just pointing out that trucks there do not mean much, unless you see what they are doing with them.

True on all points.. but there are 'non public' staging areas much closer to all those other work areas.

At the end of the day, they maybe just needed a place to park a bunch of trailers. :)

[Joeguitar]

True on all points.. but there are 'non public' staging areas much closer to all those other work areas.

At the end of the day, they maybe just needed a place to park a bunch of trailers. :)

HAHA!

But isn't speculation just more fun?!?

[redrosesix]

At the end of the day, they maybe just needed a place to park a bunch of trailers. :)

:rotfl2: :rotfl2: :rotfl2:

I love how a bunch of trailers can cause such a stir on the Dis boards.

[Joeguitar]

:rotfl2: :rotfl2: :rotfl2:

I love how a bunch of trailers can cause such a stir on the Dis boards.

EXACTLY!!!

I read on Jim Hill's blog that there are parts for a 5th park in there! :rotfl:

[dreajoyanne]

My mom and stepdad are at POR right now and she was talking to a Guest Services Employee. He said that they were at 60% capacity for January which was good..... BUT he then admitted that 2 of the mansions are closed because of low attendance and to cut costs.....

I'm not sure if anyone else said this earlier, but I thought it was interesting.

[redrosesix]

While we're on the topic of people cancelling, operating below capacity, etc., thought I should add that many Canadians I know canceled their trip to WDW because of the exchange rate (we're paying about 20 percent more than we did last year). Even with the special offers, the exchange rate difference means we're just getting the same price as last year when you look at all the costs. Of the 25 girls who were supposed to be traveling with us to Twirlmania, there are now only 8, and of these we are the only ones still staying at WDW. But when I add in the number of people we know outside the baton club who have instead decided to go to Cuba or somewhere else this year...

It's a huge number of people! I actually only know 2 other families that are staying in WDW this year.

[CanadianGuy]

While we're on the topic of people cancelling, operating below capacity, etc., thought I should add that many Canadians I know canceled their trip to WDW because of the exchange rate (we're paying about 20 percent more than we did last year). Even with the special offers, the exchange rate difference means we're just getting the same price as last year when you look at all the costs. Of the 25 girls who were supposed to be traveling with us to Twirlmania, there are now only 8, and of these we are the only ones still staying at WDW. But when I add in the number of people we know outside the baton club who have instead decided to go to Cuba or somewhere else this year...

It's a huge number of people! I actually only know 2 other families that are staying in WDW this year.

I'm teetering on the edge of cancellation myself.. and in years past I was good for anywhere from 2 to 4 trips per year. This year.. looking like maybe 1 or zero.

[Peter Pirate 2]

My mom and stepdad are at POR right now and she was talking to a Guest Services Employee. He said that they were at 60% capacity for January which was good..... BUT he then admitted that 2 of the mansions are closed because of low attendance and to cut costs.....

I'm not sure if anyone else said this earlier, but I thought it was interesting.

Very interesting.

But I don't believe 60% occupancy with two mansions closed could be considered good by any historical WDW standard.
pirate:

[Joeguitar]

Very interesting.

But I don't believe 60% occupancy with two mansions closed could be considered good by any historical WDW standard.
pirate:

I wouldn't think so either.

[doconeill]

I'd need more context as to what the "60%" meant (including or excluding the closed buildings), and "good" (good in relation to late January historical numbers? Or good in relation to expected numbers due to the downturn?)

[dreajoyanne]

From what my mom said, it sounded like he was just trying to convince her that everything was still at the typical occupancy. BUT the 60% was not including those mansions that they had closed.

Although, I spoke with my mom this morning and she said that although the parks aren't packed, they aren't desolate either.


However, she did say that a lot of the snack carts and counter service restaurants are closed for "refurbishment." Although there isn't anything visibly happening inside of them.

[redrosesix]

Although, I spoke with my mom this morning and she said that although the parks aren't packed, they aren't desolate either.



I think there are a lot of people staying outside WDW this year -- not just the Canadians that I know. The special offers at WDW are great, but some of our group are paying $39 per night, with complimentary breakfast and a kitchenette (the hotel doesn't usually charge that rate, it's just a very deep discount) Wondering why we're staying at WDW when we could pay that rate? My daughter has asthma, and since she didn't have any problems at ASMusic last year I'm going with what I know -- small price to pay to avoid an asthma attack.

So this might account for that many people visiting the parks.

[M-I-C-K-E-Y]

My mom and stepdad are at POR right now and she was talking to a Guest Services Employee. He said that they were at 60% capacity for January which was good..... BUT he then admitted that 2 of the mansions are closed because of low attendance and to cut costs.....

I'm not sure if anyone else said this earlier, but I thought it was interesting.

I am left to wonder what the "profit point" (for lack of a better term) might be for the resorts? Is it worth their while to take 50% of rack rate for a room, just to fill it (and get folks to the parks, shopping, dining...)? How about 25%? Less? I keep thinking that there must be a dollar amount that they could justify, that would benefit their bottom-line.

In addition to offering a deep discount on room rates, they might also consider offering DVC members a discount at non-DVC resorts, to lure them in, so to speak. Right now, it costs 16 points for a weeknight at POR, but only 8 points at OKW (studio). They could fill a huge number of rooms by offering DVC members "specials" or deals - perhaps as low as 5 points per night at POR or other "slow" resorts. Why not - and why not offer such deals "on the fly," to fill those rooms? Once again, it gets folks in the gates, spending money...it's at least worth a try, instead of closing buildings at resorts.

Surely there's execs at Disney who ponder such things...? :thumbsup2

[doconeill]

I don't think you'll see them discounting rooms for DVC members at all. Unless the DVC resorts become popular enough for CRO to rent out the resulting rooms at their premium price in exchange for the non-DVC room given to the DVC member, its a total loss on the room income (other than the $95 fee, and we don't know where that goes).

I'm sure they have a LOT of data on how much guests spend on things OUTSIDE the resort (thanks to KTTW cards) that I'm sure they have a zero-point in mind for discounting the rooms already. They may be willing to take a slight loss on the resort side in order to make up the income on the ticket/merch/food side.

[redrosesix]

This discussion made me think about whether there are lower costs associated with having repeat guests ie. people who know the ropes and arrive at WDW with their ADRs made etc. Maybe one of the reasons why WDW offers the bounce back offers.

When I think about how much more I know now compared to the first time I checked into a Disney resort (like how to get to MK from the resort), I realize that there must be a lot more labour cost associated with first time guests.

As for the number of guests needed to keep the hotel running, I think it is basic first year economics: they have to cover all of the variable costs (housekeeping, power, etc) as well as some of the fixed costs (pool heating, landscaping, etc.) in order to keep a resort open.

[Chuck S]

I am left to wonder what the "profit point" (for lack of a better term) might be for the resorts? Is it worth their while to take 50% of rack rate for a room, just to fill it (and get folks to the parks, shopping, dining...)? How about 25%? Less? I keep thinking that there must be a dollar amount that they could justify, that would benefit their bottom-line.

In addition to offering a deep discount on room rates, they might also consider offering DVC members a discount at non-DVC resorts, to lure them in, so to speak. Right now, it costs 16 points for a weeknight at POR, but only 8 points at OKW (studio). They could fill a huge number of rooms by offering DVC members "specials" or deals - perhaps as low as 5 points per night at POR or other "slow" resorts. Why not - and why not offer such deals "on the fly," to fill those rooms? Once again, it gets folks in the gates, spending money...it's at least worth a try, instead of closing buildings at resorts.

Surely there's execs at Disney who ponder such things...? :thumbsup2

There would be no point in offering DVC Members a discount - at least on a point stay - at a non-DVC resort. Points legally have no cash value. DVC would have to rent a DVC resort room for cash to pay WDW Resort Operations for the room. In theory, though it works invisibly to members, you are reserving a DVC Room with your points, DVC then turns that room over to CRO to rent to offset the cost of the non-DVC room. If they can't fill POR rooms with cash discounts, we'd also have to believe that they wouldn't be able to rent the DVC room for cash to recoup the cost.

They could offer DVCers a cash discount to stay at POR, but I would expect them to exhaust every other discount opportunity first, like FL residents and AP holders.

[M-I-C-K-E-Y]

Whatever it is that they're doing doesn't seem to be working. Florida residents don't seem to be filling those rooms... Perhaps they need to think outside the box. :)

[CanadianGuy]

Very interesting.

But I don't believe 60% occupancy with two mansions closed could be considered good by any historical WDW standard.
pirate:

It is not. No matter how you do the math... including or excluding the closed rooms.. 60% is well, well, WELL below the norm at Disney.

I wouldn't think so either.

And that sir is why you are a smart guy! ;)

[doconeill]

They could offer DVCers a cash discount to stay at POR, but I would expect them to exhaust every other discount opportunity first, like FL residents and AP holders.

Since DVC usually negotiates those discounts, and they just reworked the points to try and keep DVC members in the rooms on weekends, I don't see any discounts for non-DVC rooms on the horizon - why make it easier to conserve points with cash stays when you are trying to keep your own rooms full?

[Chuck S]

Since DVC usually negotiates those discounts, and they just reworked the points to try and keep DVC members in the rooms on weekends, I don't see any discounts for non-DVC rooms on the horizon - why make it easier to conserve points with cash stays when you are trying to keep your own rooms full?

I didn't say they would, or even should. I was replying to a post about offering non-DVC resorts at greatly discounted points per night. The point of the post was that they could offer a cash discount, though unlikely, but basically they could not offer a point discount because the cost for the non-DVC room must be recovered by DVC.

[andrewilley]

I am left to wonder what the "profit point" (for lack of a better term) might be for the resorts? Is it worth their while to take 50% of rack rate for a room, just to fill it (and get folks to the parks, shopping, dining...)?

It's not just a case whether an individual resort is profitable per se, but the wider picture of how to get more people into the parks paying admittance, buying food & merchandise, etc.

Andre

[M-I-C-K-E-Y]

It's not just a case whether an individual resort is profitable per se, but the wider picture of how to get more people into the parks paying admittance, buying food & merchandise, etc.

Andre

Exactly! :thumbsup2

[doconeill]

I didn't say they would, or even should. I was replying to a post about offering non-DVC resorts at greatly discounted points per night. The point of the post was that they could offer a cash discount, though unlikely, but basically they could not offer a point discount because the cost for the non-DVC room must be recovered by DVC.

I wasn't questioning what you said - it was a rhetorical question. I agree with what you said. I was just pointing out that giving DVC members cash discounts on non-DVC rooms (the second part of your post) is very unlikely at this point.

[Mouseaholic!!!]

It's not just a case whether an individual resort is profitable per se, but the wider picture of how to get more people into the parks paying admittance, buying food & merchandise, etc.

Andre



You are absolutely correct. Disney announced that spending in the parks was down 40% the last quarter of 2008. It's true for us --- DH and I stayed in a Villa --- only ate one meal outside the room because of the kitchen.....and shopping was less than in years past......and were shocked at the low crowds in early December....and nobody bringing Disney shopping bags out of the parks in the evenings.

[manning]

We just got back and one thing my wife notice was the stores were empty. Everyone was leaving the park without shopping.

[eeyorepixie]

last trip we never even went into the stores. We went one day at DTD shopping and spent under 100.and my girls spent their B-day money. This is what we had to do, to be able to afford going to DW and my kids understood that. I actually bought my souvies for family on e-bay, before the trip. With free dining we spent about 500. out of pocket(tips) for expenses for 10 days.

If other families are like ours, I can see why Disney is hurting.
I am keeping an eye on this thread, because we booked bounceback at POR. I would love it to close for an upgrade for a family of 5.

However, I highly doubt this will happen.

[EEyorelover22]

I noticed the same thing and we were there the 20th-25th of Dec when almost everything was 40%. Not many bags in the parks at all. 40% off their items brings them down to more reasonable prices, but still more than something bought at an outlet or a discount store.

[mom2val]

We were at WDW Nov 8 -14, 2008. I commented several times to my husband that very few people were shopping. We had a notepad and wrote down the stuff we wanted and at what stores it was at. We did not shop until the last 2 days. Our previous trip in October 2005- we shopped the whole trip. We definately were more thrifty this last trip.

[Chuck S]

I noticed the stores were pretty empty in early December, too. We didn't buy as much as we often do, either. It was a combination of factors for us. The fact that we flew instead of drove, so were limited in space this trip; we were being a little "pickier" because of the economy; and really, not as many items appealed to us this trip. Sometimes we'll go and find a ton of t-shirts we like. This year the colors and designs just weren't "there" for us.

I'm sure the combination of the economy and the airline baggage charges are like a double whammy to souvenir sales. We did have one small purchase shipped.

[anthony2k7]

Im sure the Amercan visitors are shopping a little less, but you can be sure international visitors are shopping a lot less! We all have a double hit of the recession and strong dollar restricting out shopping!

So whilst bookings might be ok because many trips were paid for in advance, when it comes to being there the money just aint in our pockets to shop.

[jgates]

You also have this little issue (unless it was mentioned in the middle of this thread somewhere) that the airlines are now charging for all your bags. Consequently we can no longer do a bag in a bag & then bring home souv. in it when we return - have to pay $$ for that extra bag.

[DisFlan]

You also have this little issue (unless it was mentioned in the middle of this thread somewhere) that the airlines are now charging for all your bags. Consequently we can no longer do a bag in a bag & then bring home souv. in it when we return - have to pay $$ for that extra bag.

We always did "the extra bag in a bag" thing, too. Sometimes two! We've stopped doing this. Over the last few trips, I've passed up quite a few items I would have bought in past years.


DisFlan

[doconeill]

We always did "the extra bag in a bag" thing, too. Sometimes two! We've stopped doing this. Over the last few trips, I've passed up quite a few items I would have bought in past years.

We've done this in the past, and we still did it in October, but only because we didn't need 4 bags for the 4 of us going down. But that isn't likely to be true in April.

I wonder if Disney has been considering this on the impact of merch sales. They should cut the price of shipping, or even offer free shipping over a certain amount at places like WoD...might alleviate some of the crunch.

Or perhaps negotiate with the airlines that have remote checkins at the resorts to forgive the extra bag fees...

[JDinCO]

We were not charged any bag fees when we checked our bags at the resort in Nov. But were charged at the airport flying to MCO.

[Chuck S]

We were not charged any bag fees when we checked our bags at the resort in Nov. But were charged at the airport flying to MCO.


We flew on Delta in December, during the time that Delta was starting the fees. We were asked when we checked our luggage at the resort if Delta had charged us for the flight down, the fee did not apply to us in either direction because we had booked our flight way before the fees were announced.

[JoanneNC]

I admit that we have taken advantage of the military exclusion with added bag fees. We hope that they continue to make this allowance. At least American Airlines did for us as recently as November.

As for Disney specifically goes, we drive so that leaves us plenty of space :)

[DisFlan]

I wonder if Disney has been considering this on the impact of merch sales. They should cut the price of shipping, or even offer free shipping over a certain amount at places like WoD...might alleviate some of the crunch.

I'm sure the effect of bag fees has occurred to Disney at this point. I like your idea of "free shipping with a minimum purchase". Yup - I'd make a list and hit WoD. We'd buy more stuff.

DisFlan

[disneybridetobe]

I'm sure the effect of bag fees has occurred to Disney at this point. I like your idea of "free shipping with a minimum purchase". Yup - I'd make a list and hit WoD. We'd buy more stuff.

DisFlan

I'd take advantage of that!

[daisyduck123]

We were at WDW Nov 8 -14, 2008. I commented several times to my husband that very few people were shopping. We had a notepad and wrote down the stuff we wanted and at what stores it was at. We did not shop until the last 2 days. Our previous trip in October 2005- we shopped the whole trip. We definately were more thrifty this last trip.

I saw plenty of people spending in WOD on SuperBowl Sunday.

Heck, DD14 & I spent over $400.00 there (and that was after the 20% discount I got for being an AP holder) that day! We got lots of great stuff!:yay:

[redrosesix]

I just returned from there -- we were there for a baton twirling competition. I know there are a lot of negative comments about big groups competing at WDW, especially the cheerleaders. But they do put a lot of heads in the beds and girls in the stores. However, since we are part of a group, I can tell you that these trips to WDW are planned pretty much a year in advance -- group routine participants picked, choreography, etc.

But...after speaking with people from other groups at the twirling competitions, as well as many people from cheerleading groups (our reservations overlap theirs) I can tell you many people are not planning to return next year. Maybe people won't be so quick to criticize having these groups at WDW when they realize how many beds they filled.

We are hoping to go back again, but we realize that the economy will hit everybody hard in the next year, and fundraising and sponsorships will not be able to fill the gaps. I'm sure other groups who were planning to compete later this year are rethinking their options as we speak.

[mitros]

I just returned from there -- we were there for a baton twirling competition. I know there are a lot of negative comments about big groups competing at WDW, especially the cheerleaders. But they do put a lot of heads in the beds and girls in the stores. However, since we are part of a group, I can tell you that these trips to WDW are planned pretty much a year in advance -- group routine participants picked, choreography, etc.

But...after speaking with people from other groups at the twirling competitions, as well as many people from cheerleading groups (our reservations overlap theirs) I can tell you many people are not planning to return next year. Maybe people won't be so quick to criticize having these groups at WDW when they realize how many beds they filled.

We are hoping to go back again, but we realize that the economy will hit everybody hard in the next year, and fundraising and sponsorships will not be able to fill the gaps. I'm sure other groups who were planning to compete later this year are rethinking their options as we speak.

The only one that will be complaining about beds not being filled will be Disney

[doconeill]

The only one that will be complaining about beds not being filled will be Disney

Well, and the people Disney will lay off because of it...

I've already heard of one cheerleading group that doesn't plan on going this year.

[mitros]

Well, and the people Disney will lay off because of it...

I've already heard of one cheerleading group that doesn't plan on going this year.

Sorry, but I'm still waiting for the crowds to fall off. We have made nine day trips since January 5th, and the parks and restaurants are STILL crowded. I'm still waiting for this "slacking-off" they keep talking about. :confused3

[redrosesix]

Well, and the people Disney will lay off because of it...



Exactly! I know the rest of our group decided to stay off-site this year for the first time ever (39.95 per night including a kitchenette and comp. breakfast -- who can blame them?) but the twirlers still booked up most of the Broadway section at ASMusic for a week -- plus many others stayed at other resorts.

We're the only ones I know that are planning to return at all. Sure, you'll still get the ones that are vying for scholarships and those who have a chance at the big titles. But this has to cut into the bottom line at some point. And I can't imagine families whose kids do other sports having it any better this year.

[jfinke]

Wait times I have observed so far this week are : 110 minutes (TS, which I understand being new), 90 minutes (RR, with the fast pass line stretching beyond the fast pass machines), 70 minutes (ToT), 40 min (Chester and whatever), 20 minutes to get CS across the board (this seems to be really inefficient, wonder if cutbacks are at the restaurant CMs).

Soarin is ridiculous as usual. Mission:Space was 70 min. TT was was 100 minutes with single rider at 40.

There have also been crowd levels so thick you can barely walk through the walkways. Don't know if I keep ending up in the wrong place at the wrong time. For example, World Showcase was pretty empty last night at 7:30. But, other stuff is packed.

Like I mentioned earlier, CS seems to be really disappointing. I can't tell if it is just because of the DDP and people not understanding, or if it is also because of the lack of trained CMs. It took me 25 mins to get two items at the boardwalk bakery and I was fifth in line. We got our food quicker at Spoodles the previous morning.

[mickeystoontown]

Wait times I have observed so far this week are : 110 minutes (TS, which I understand being new), 90 minutes (RR, with the fast pass line stretching beyond the fast pass machines), 70 minutes (ToT), 40 min (Chester and whatever), 20 minutes to get CS across the board (this seems to be really inefficient, wonder if cutbacks are at the restaurant CMs).

Soarin is ridiculous as usual. Mission:Space was 70 min. TT was was 100 minutes with single rider at 40.

There have also been crowd levels so thick you can barely walk through the walkways. Don't know if I keep ending up in the wrong place at the wrong time. For example, World Showcase was pretty empty last night at 7:30. But, other stuff is packed.

Like I mentioned earlier, CS seems to be really disappointing. I can't tell if it is just because of the DDP and people not understanding, or if it is also because of the lack of trained CMs. It took me 25 mins to get two items at the boardwalk bakery and I was fifth in line. We got our food quicker at Spoodles the previous morning.

Those wait times sound like the ones we usually encounter in late May.

[Kallista]

I just returned from there -- we were there for a baton twirling competition. I know there are a lot of negative comments about big groups competing at WDW, especially the cheerleaders. But they do put a lot of heads in the beds and girls in the stores. However, since we are part of a group, I can tell you that these trips to WDW are planned pretty much a year in advance -- group routine participants picked, choreography, etc.


I've been at WDW during a big competition and all of the girls I met were very nice young ladies. They were well behaved. Don't let it get you down.

[redrosesix]

I've been at WDW during a big competition and all of the girls I met were very nice young ladies. They were well behaved. Don't let it get you down.

That was our experience too. The cheerleaders were doing their nationals when we arrived -- they were awesome with my DD. They also encouraged the little kids to participate in the pool activities at ASMusic by playing along, dancing, participating themselves -- I guess that's the cheerleader thing to do.

[wdw4us2]

Whatever it is that they're doing doesn't seem to be working. Florida residents don't seem to be filling those rooms... Perhaps they need to think outside the box. :)

The reason Florida residents are not filling the resort rooms is mainly because of the discount structure that is currently in place. When things were at a low point in 2001-2003, rooms were discounted every day of the week rather than Sunday - Thursday nights only. As Florida residents we always plan weekend trips so that our kids don't have to miss school.

Disney can't be too concerned about their bottom line if they are still placing restrictions on discounted stays, buffet prices, etc.

[clint999]

I would be surprised if POFQ was the mod to close up, being that it is the most popular mod. But I am sure it will be based on capacity, and perhaps POFQ being lower capacity would put it in that category...

[Backstage_Gal]

I would be surprised if POFQ was the mod to close up, being that it is the most popular mod. But I am sure it will be based on capacity, and perhaps POFQ being lower capacity would put it in that category...

POFQ has been closed twice twice before. Logistically, it is the easiest, because you can shut down the whole operation.