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ynottony99
12-02-2008, 03:31 PM
TCD suggested an awesome thread a while back. He and I have discussed some ideas and feel sure many of you will have some often memories to share.
While Fort Wilderness has remained a favorite destination for some 35 years, it has seen many changes, even in recent months. So share with us some of your photos from 'then', including a 'now' picture if you have one. Photos and/or memories of attractions and events, your family then and now, how your camping gear has changed.............so many possibilities.

2goofycampers
12-02-2008, 03:38 PM
http://i282.photobucket.com/albums/kk276/CampnDenise/Christiana026.jpg

ynottony99
12-02-2008, 03:45 PM
I thought I would get started by comparing a photo taken at the OutPost. I can not take credit for the picture, and I don't know when it was taken. But it is clear it was back a few years.

http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m133/ynottony99/1225083705_6a58a94dcc.jpg

On my recent visit, I took this photo.
http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m133/ynottony99/November2008173.jpg

There have been many changes.

I first thought the old picture was looking from the inside out toward everyone waiting to check in. Not the case. According to a CM, everyone use to have to check out and pay on departure. I can only imagine how long that line must have gotten.

Of course the tree has grown a little too.

The Reception and check in has grown to include this building too.

http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m133/ynottony99/November2008189.jpg

There is more, but dinner is on the table, so feel free to add your thoughts too!!!!!

stacktester
12-02-2008, 05:39 PM
This pic was from last year Thanksgiving Weekend. Site 301. Unfortunately we all know it will never look the same again so I thought I'd put a pic of it here. My lame photography doesn't do it any justice.
http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s193/stacktester/Thanksgiving2007/100_0382.jpg

ynottony99
12-02-2008, 08:30 PM
This pic was from last year Thanksgiving Weekend. Site 301. Unfortunately we all know it will never look the same again so I thought I'd put a pic of it here. My lame photography doesn't do it any justice.
http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s193/stacktester/Thanksgiving2007/100_0382.jpg

I was thinking about these folks when we over there last. I am glad you shared this.:thumbsup2

ynottony99
12-02-2008, 08:32 PM
From a while ago.
http://i282.photobucket.com/albums/kk276/CampnDenise/Christiana026.jpg

Very nice. I don't think I have any photos of the peacocks.

TheFlame
12-02-2008, 10:12 PM
We saw this motor home and site last week and remembered something had happened to the couple here. Weren't they on the tv special and one of them passed away shortly thereafter? I also noticed a for sale sign in the window of the motor home. It looked really sad and lonely there. Just wondering, I couldn't remember the details of what happened.

stacktester
12-03-2008, 01:05 AM
We saw this motor home and site last week and remembered something had happened to the couple here. Weren't they on the tv special and one of them passed away shortly thereafter? I also noticed a for sale sign in the window of the motor home. It looked really sad and lonely there. Just wondering, I couldn't remember the details of what happened.

That setup belonged to Jay and Donna Howard. She passed away from breast cancer on Christmas Day after Samantha Brown interviewed her for a Trevel Channel segment about Disney decorating. It was very short and didn't do the fort or the Howards any justice. They flipped around so much it was confusing.

They stayed quite a few months beginning around Halloween. I remember them having the site decorated for different ocassions they were there so long. The pic I took was early in their decorating stage and it wasn't even complete.

Tri-circle-D
12-03-2008, 09:06 AM
Tony-

Thank you for starting this thread.

I hope that it leads to some great old photos of the Fort.

Here is my first contribution.

I found this old photo of the Fort Wilderness Railroad on line. (This is my "then" photo):

http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn76/Tri-Circle-D/3atstation.jpg

The structure that you can see in the background to the right is the Gateway Depot. This is the current location of the Outpost bus stop.

The small building just behind the water tower still stands on site. These are my "now" photos:

http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn76/Tri-Circle-D/FWHalloween2008060.jpg

http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn76/Tri-Circle-D/FWHalloween2008061.jpg

I read somewhere that this building housed a water treatment system to try to take the minerals out of the water that was used for the steam engines. Apparently, the natural Florida water was pretty hard on the engines, so they treated it before pumping it in.

If you look in the window on this little building, you can see the remnants of some of the equipment.

Now you know what that little building used to be.

TCD

Shan-man
12-03-2008, 10:33 AM
Very cool (and rather sad)! Hope you don't mind but I tweaked the "before" picture.

http://i523.photobucket.com/albums/w359/SLSettles/3atstation.jpg

Tri-circle-D
12-03-2008, 11:46 AM
How about some River Country photos?

River Country then:

http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn76/Tri-Circle-D/rivercountrypool.jpg


River Country now:

http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn76/Tri-Circle-D/FWHalloween2008233.jpg

http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn76/Tri-Circle-D/FWHalloween2008232.jpg


:(

TCD

ynottony99
12-03-2008, 12:16 PM
Very cool (and rather sad)! Hope you don't mind but I tweaked the "before" picture.

http://i523.photobucket.com/albums/w359/SLSettles/3atstation.jpg

Nice job.:thumbsup2

ynottony99
12-03-2008, 12:18 PM
How about some River Country photos?

River Country then:

http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn76/Tri-Circle-D/rivercountrypool.jpg


River Country now:

http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn76/Tri-Circle-D/FWHalloween2008233.jpg

http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn76/Tri-Circle-D/FWHalloween2008232.jpg


:(

TCD

I say we break in there and go down the slides 1 more time!!!!!!

stacktester
12-03-2008, 12:47 PM
Not in that water Tony. There's no telling how many feet of pine needles in the bottom.

ynottony99
12-03-2008, 04:12 PM
Aw come on. Wouldn't it be worth it for the notoriety?!?! Especially if we get photos:3dglasses

ynottony99
12-03-2008, 04:22 PM
I tried to pay a visit to the 'roundhouse'.

http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m133/ynottony99/TrainBarn.jpg

I talked to a couple of CMs about getting in to see it. Of course it is in a 'secured' area, and the public really isn't suppose to be back there. Had TCD been on the prowl he would have made it anyway,(and for all I know he did and has photos to share!!) I stopped short of the security gate and snapped this photo, which pretty much tells the story.
http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m133/ynottony99/November2008146.jpg

The building is now used by Mousekeeping. I was told that the tracks are still in the floor inside, with something put down over them to walk on.

Born 2 Fish
12-03-2008, 04:36 PM
Now this is the kind of stuff Disney should put as a tour,,I'd love to see this kinda stuff ! :thumbsup2

stacktester
12-03-2008, 05:52 PM
Aw come on. Wouldn't it be worth it for the notoriety?!?! Especially if we get photos:3dglasses

OK, how bout at the next 4th of July GG I'll drink a couple pitchers of Kungaloosh and we'll head on over to River Country and do it.

ynottony99
12-04-2008, 07:45 AM
OK, how bout at the next 4th of July GG I'll drink a couple pitchers of Kungaloosh and we'll head on over to River Country and do it.

Well, you know someone has to take the picture, so I'll let you have all glory while I capture it for the record.:)

ynottony99
12-05-2008, 02:54 PM
Some of us noticed that in these vintage photos, the 'street' in front of Pioneer Hall seemed to be dirt.

http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m133/ynottony99/res-fort-1.jpg

http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m133/ynottony99/0120D-2.jpg

Of course, that is not the case now.

http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m133/ynottony99/WDWFeb07898.jpg

http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m133/ynottony99/WDWFeb07904.jpg

During breakfast at TE one recent morning, I decided to ask Ken about this. He said that FW was opened with this area unpaved and as best he could recall, it was that way until the early 80's. He said it wasn't really a dirt street, describing it more like a small gravel with sand. There are of course other changes that can be noted. There have been changes to landscaping, signs, and the original wooden shingles have been replaced with a more durable composite.

2goofycampers
12-05-2008, 04:42 PM
http://i282.photobucket.com/albums/kk276/CampnDenise/minnie-moo002.jpg

The date stamp is incorrect.

FlaFortCampster
12-05-2008, 06:47 PM
I recently found a few interesting items from the 1980's and will post as soon as:
A. I get my allotted number of posts :yay:
B. Some kind soul reminds me how you post pictures. :rolleyes1
Wish I had keep notes......

ynottony99
12-06-2008, 03:50 AM
http://i282.photobucket.com/albums/kk276/CampnDenise/minnie-moo002.jpg

The date stamp is incorrect.

So if that was then, would this be the now photo????

http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m133/ynottony99/800px-Cheeseburger.jpg

Born 2 Fish
12-06-2008, 05:28 AM
:lmao: :lmao: :lmao:

2goofycampers
12-06-2008, 08:31 AM
So if that was then, would this be the now photo????

http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m133/ynottony99/800px-Cheeseburger.jpg

Or, pushing up :daisy: :daisy: :daisy:

LuckyinGa
12-06-2008, 09:54 AM
:rotfl2: That's a good one :rotfl2:

kesharn81
12-07-2008, 03:49 AM
:love: :hippie: :worship: :rotfl2: :thumbsup2

:banana:
thanks for the info - useful thread...

this seems useful information...thanks for

sharing...

see ya...
:) :hug: :rolleyes1 :dance3: :laundy: :love:

:hippie: :cool1:

Tri-circle-D
12-09-2008, 07:58 AM
I think it was some time in 2007 that the famous lawnmower tree died. I believe that Disboard member Stacktester was actually there when they cut the top part of the tree off. Here is what it looked like then:

http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn76/Tri-Circle-D/lawntreeFull.jpg

(I found the photo posted above here on the Disboards-I believe that it was originally posted by Lisa8200).

On my visit in October, I could have sworn that the remaining portion of the lawnmower tree looked shorter. On my November visit, I snapped this photo, which indeed shows that this Fort icon is disappearing :(

http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn76/Tri-Circle-D/ThanksgivingFW2008216.jpg

TCD

Tri-circle-D
12-17-2008, 11:42 AM
Well, the "then" in this group of photos was just a few months ago, but these photos still qualify because they illustrate a pretty big change in the way things look at the Fort back in the 1600-1900 loop area.

As many of you will remember, the 1800 and 1900 loops were built in a very swampy area. Some of the sites were right next to very low areas that were filled with water whenever it rained, and stayed wet for a long time thereafter.

Well, back in September or so, they started filling in these low areas.

Here are some photos that I took just outside the 1800 loop in October, 2008.

http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn76/Tri-Circle-D/FWPHOTOS008.jpg

http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn76/Tri-Circle-D/FWPHOTOS009.jpg

http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn76/Tri-Circle-D/FWPHOTOS010.jpg

http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn76/Tri-Circle-D/FWPHOTOS020.jpg

http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn76/Tri-Circle-D/FWPHOTOS019.jpg

http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn76/Tri-Circle-D/FWPHOTOS018.jpg

Here are some photos taken the day after the above photos were taken:

http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn76/Tri-Circle-D/FW10308011.jpg

http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn76/Tri-Circle-D/FW10308012.jpg

http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn76/Tri-Circle-D/FW10308013.jpg

http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn76/Tri-Circle-D/FW10308014.jpg

http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn76/Tri-Circle-D/FW10308015.jpg

http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn76/Tri-Circle-D/FW10308016.jpg


And, here are the "now" photos, taken at end of November, 2008:

http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn76/Tri-Circle-D/ThanksgivingFW2008118.jpg
http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn76/Tri-Circle-D/ThanksgivingFW2008119.jpg

As you can see, this particular "swamp" just disappeared.


TCD

Tri-circle-D
12-19-2008, 10:01 AM
For as long as I have been going to the Fort, this old wagon has sat next to the playground by the Marina:

http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn76/Tri-Circle-D/1226563767_622c8d24c7_o.jpg

http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn76/Tri-Circle-D/rcwagon.jpg

As you can see, it used to be painted to promote River Country. Notice the Musket Mickey logo on the end.

The wagon still sits in the same spot, but is no longer painted with any reference to River Country:

http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn76/Tri-Circle-D/UFvCitadel112208001.jpg

http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn76/Tri-Circle-D/UFvCitadel112208002.jpg

TCD

stacktester
12-19-2008, 10:16 AM
It's as though River Country is a bad little secret Disney doesn't want anyone to remember.

LONE-STAR
12-19-2008, 11:33 AM
:sad2:

TxTink :)
12-19-2008, 11:46 AM
Great pics and very interesting information. Thanks:banana:

ynottony99
12-20-2008, 08:11 AM
Staying with the RC theme......

http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m133/ynottony99/rivercountrya.jpg


http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m133/ynottony99/November2008020-1.jpg

BradyBz12
12-20-2008, 04:46 PM
http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m133/ynottony99/November2008020-1.jpg

Loving this thread, btw. :thumbsup2
DH visited FW as a kid, but I'm a newbie, although a quick convert with 4 trips in the last 5 years (this one 3 weeks ...and still not long enough!)

We're actually on the road heading back north from the Fort (boooo) but wanted to mention that on our last loop around on the golf cart just 2 days ago (Thurs 12/18), this water tower was no longer there. Unfortunately I don't have a pic, but there was all sorts of "stuff" going on in this area that day.

DaveInTN
12-20-2008, 09:19 PM
We're actually on the road heading back north from the Fort (boooo) but wanted to mention that on our last loop around on the golf cart just 2 days ago (Thurs 12/18), this water tower was no longer there. Unfortunately I don't have a pic, but there was all sorts of "stuff" going on in this area that day.
Maybe they've dismantled the water tower to use in the pool renovations?? That would be too cool!!! :cool1:

BradyBz12
12-21-2008, 06:01 PM
Maybe they've dismantled the water tower to use in the pool renovations?? That would be too cool!!! :cool1:

That's been the rumor - I guess we'll just have to wait and see.popcorn::

ynottony99
12-21-2008, 06:34 PM
Wow!! Let's see who can get the first photo of the area with no water tower and get it posted!!!!

ynottony99
12-22-2008, 04:54 PM
Staying with RC and this area. Someone else maybe able to share just when these changes were made. The then photos are from Feb. '06 and the now were in Nov. '08.
The Pavilion sign location is in front of the pavilion as you face it by the pony ride.
http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m133/ynottony99/FirstPhotosCanon280.jpg

The RC entrance is unused and blocked off.
http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m133/ynottony99/FirstPhotosCanon285-1.jpg

The sign is now gone.
http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m133/ynottony99/November2008036.jpg


Sign relocated and now at least the RC entrance area is getting some use once again for the Backyard BBQ, and the Segway Tour. We still need a new photo with the water tower removed. Maybe some spy work to see if there is any sign of near the pool????
http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m133/ynottony99/November2008018.jpg

Tri-circle-D
12-23-2008, 08:37 AM
Following up on Tony's last post, immediately above, I also have some then and now photos of the River Country entrance area.

These first photos were taken some time in 2007, but they represent the way that the River Country entrance looked from about 2002 through September, 2008:


http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a145/arodnite/Picture048.jpg

These next two shots are what you could see if you peeked around the plywood barricade that was erected in front of the ticket booth. These are bait tanks that were used by the recreation department for fishing excursions. Also, note that the ticket prices were still posted on the concealed ticket booth.

http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a145/arodnite/Picture049.jpg

http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a145/arodnite/Picture050.jpg

http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a145/arodnite/Picture051.jpg

This sign was moved September, 2008:

http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn76/Tri-Circle-D/FW10308107.jpg

The old ticket booth has been cleaned up, and the plywood wall has been removed, as has the bait tanks and other stuff formerly being used by the fishing guides:

http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn76/Tri-Circle-D/FW10308108.jpg

http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn76/Tri-Circle-D/FW10308109.jpg

This little building has been cleaned up, too. This display used to promote Discovery Island. Back in the day, there used to be a little burrowing owl that lived here. He is not back (yet). The cage is empty, but it is still there:

http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn76/Tri-Circle-D/FW10308110.jpg

These benches are also new to this area. The back of the sign is the same, but this is a new location, as already mentioned:

http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn76/Tri-Circle-D/FW10308111.jpg

Here is what the water tower looked like in October, 2008. Now, the word is that it has been removed:

http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn76/Tri-Circle-D/FW10308112.jpg

http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn76/Tri-Circle-D/FW10308113.jpg

Here is what the view was when you looked back toward the entry area:

http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn76/Tri-Circle-D/FW10308114.jpg


http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn76/Tri-Circle-D/FW10308115.jpg


Here is a shot of the back of the old River Country ticket booth, on the way out of this area:

http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn76/Tri-Circle-D/FW10308116.jpg

clkelley
12-23-2008, 10:06 AM
As of December 8th, the tower was still there:

http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l169/clkelley564/100_0014_00.jpg

clkelley
12-23-2008, 10:12 AM
Here is a Then and Now - Site 1205 - the Cabin - (Borrowed Picture from Jeff Spencers Website)

http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l169/clkelley564/jeff7.jpg

Now - The Cabin

http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l169/clkelley564/100_0009_00.jpg

Shan-man
12-23-2008, 12:13 PM
I've never seen this before. What is a cabin doing on 1200? I knew about the orphaned twins on 100, but never knew about this loner. What is it used for now?

clkelley
12-23-2008, 12:34 PM
This is basically a KOA Kamping Kabin. It had two sets of bunk beds inside (twin over twin, and twin over double), a fan, and electric lights. No heat, no air, had to use the comfort station facilities. They placed it on 1205 as an experiment. You could rent it for $15 over the cost of a partial hookup site. This was probably about 10 years ago. Apparently the experiment failed and they moved it out to an area near the old swamp trail to use as an "interpretive cabin" for the YES series of youth education programs. Now it is just for storage and reportedly has speakers that can be fired up to hear wishes from for the buggy rides.

From Jeff Spencer's site:

What is this I hear about a real cabin at Fort Wilderness?
There was a single real cabin on site 1205 that was available for guest booking. Unfortunately, it has been dismantled and moved to another location within the campground where it serves as an interpretive center and is no longer available for guest reservation. It was a small cabin, I estimate maybe 12 by 15 feet, which contained two sets of bunk beds. One set was a twin over a full size bed, the second was a twin over twin; therefore, the cabin slept 5. There was electricity and a fan but no heat or air-conditioning. There was no sink or toilet in the cabin. Guests had to use the comfort station. There was no maid service and guests had to bring their own linens. The rate for the cabin was $15 over the going rate for a partial hookup site. Guests that stayed there all seemed to like it but I guess Disney didn't consider the test a success.

Tri-circle-D
12-23-2008, 01:13 PM
Good post, Carol.

I actually remember when the cabin was in the 1200 loop. It was definitely within the past ten years, but I don't think that it was there for very long, and it has been moved for quite a while now.

Look at how wooded the site looks in the "then" photo. If my memory is correct, that site backed up to the main road. If it wasn't one of the former pull through sites, it was right near those. In this photo, you can't even tell that the site backs up to the road. Now, you can not only see the road, but clear into the 1100 loop!

TCD

2goofycampers
12-24-2008, 09:25 AM
http://i282.photobucket.com/albums/kk276/CampnDenise/Christiana002-3.jpg

stacktester
12-24-2008, 09:57 AM
I thought you were supposed to get better looking with age. What happened Frank? :lmao: :lmao: :lmao:

ynottony99
01-03-2009, 11:18 AM
I am a relative newcomer to Fort Wilderness. Some of you remember the early days when the train provided transportation from the Outpost Depot back to the Settlement Depot.
http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m133/ynottony99/phbw300.jpg

http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m133/ynottony99/fwtrain-3.jpg

After the train was shut down in the early 80's, it seems that trams were used to provide transportation. I don't know if this was strictly between the Outpost and Settlement, or if other stops were made along the way.

http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m133/ynottony99/fw_tram_88-2.jpg

I am not sure if the tram continued to run after the buses began to be used or not. My earliest FW trips were when the buses were in use. There were Chip, Dale, Boone, and Crockett. These were replaced in time, and today we have the Yellow, Orange and Purple (I am not sure where the Meadows fits into the Orange or Purple route at this point) , along with buses to Wilderness Lodge, Downtown Disney and the Theme parks.

http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m133/ynottony99/FWJuly08369.jpg

http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m133/ynottony99/FWVacApril08362.jpg

Please feel free to add to or correct this brief history of Fort Wilderness Transportation.:thumbsup2

luckybug618
01-03-2009, 06:55 PM
Just wanted to add that the River Country ticket window is now used for the Segway tour. We went on Christmas Day this year and they opened the plywood to reveal a tv and dvd player for us to watch about safety. We also used the entrance area almost right up to the green gates to practice. We sneaked a peek and the pool is cleaned out except a lone plastic lawn chair and a little dirt rain water. The slides were still dirty and no apparent renovations yet.... Also we got to use the bathrooms. But I'm sure those are used for Mickey's BBQ. Supposedly the ticket center and some other areas are used for preparation of the BBQ.


Boy do I miss RC. I grew up going there and I thought it was the best waterpark ever, then we'd switch between TL and RC.

LONE-STAR
01-03-2009, 11:08 PM
I remember the trams as a kid I liked them a lot better then the bus.

lisa8200
01-04-2009, 06:39 AM
In the late 70's, Dad bought a VW Camper van. The first trip we took was to Fort Wilderness. My brother and I spent most of our time just riding the trams around. We rode the busses once and a while ( so they did have both ) but, the trams were our favorite. Funny that with all the things I can't remember, I do remember that we stayed on Spanish Moss Lane,,,Wish I could remember the site number:lmao: .
I've been meaning to ask everyone, Unless my memory is wrong ( which I'm finding out I saw things different as a kid ). I thought I remembered that the trails end ( I think ) used to have more of a gameroom and a big screen that showed the words to disney songs as they played. Is this the way it used to be set up or, did the magic of Dsney make it seem bigger and different though my eyes.We only went once around that time and it was around 30 yrs ago so, my memory isn't quite clear.

PPFDDisneyLover
01-04-2009, 06:58 AM
I remember as a kid, being able to hear the trams from a distance so we knew when we had to hustle out to the stop. There was always someone on the rear calling out the different loops w/ some colorful distinction. Also when we sat at our sites, we could hear the announcements, definately a memroy that is stuck in my head!

Lisa, I think your memory is right. I do remember the game room being much bigger. I also remember the bar area at Trails end being more of a bar and not an addition of the restaurant.

Earlier in the post somone mentioned that it wasn't paved near the Settlement Post, and that is right too. My brother thinkns he is still picking stones out from his knee 30 years later!

This memory posting i great. I'm gonna have to dig out my parents photos from our trips in the 70's and 80's. We just stayed there last month for the first time in 20 years and it really has changed. I miss the old feelings!

Shan-man
01-04-2009, 07:21 AM
...There was always someone on the rear calling out the different loops w/ some colorful distinction. Also when we sat at our sites, we could hear the announcements, definately a memroy that is stuck in my head!

That 'sounds' like a great memory from the Fort. Though your 'then' sounds are a little more romantic, my 'now' auditory memories cause my heart to glow warm as well. The clop-clop of horse's hooves carting carriage-ride passengers around, the distant echo of the launch's horn, the tumult of Wishes, and the calliope-like strains of the water pageant. I was listening to the DIS live podcast from the Swan last week and in the background I heard the alarm you hear when the bus kneels... I got goosebumps! I think I have to record a "day at the Fort" next time we are there: everything from the first launch of the morning right up until the last echoing strains of the water pageant at night. Then I can play it all day, every day as the soundtrack of my life when away from my favorite place!

lisa8200
01-04-2009, 07:33 AM
That would be awesome. I had never thought of it but, when you posted I thought abut my digital recorder and that I can record like 24 hrs with it. If for no other reason, it would be interesting to listen to a few years down the road.

Shan-man
01-04-2009, 07:36 AM
Ok Mike, if you make it there before me, you do the deed, and burn me an MP3 cd. If I'm first, I'll do the same for you.

lisa8200
01-04-2009, 08:02 AM
Sounds like a plan to me,,,,Then again, if the day I choose happens to coincide with the Oct. 09 GG, I might have to destroy the evidence:lmao:

Tri-circle-D
01-06-2009, 11:13 AM
Wow!! Let's see who can get the first photo of the area with no water tower and get it posted!!!!


I got you covered, Tony.

Here are my photos from October 2008:
http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn76/Tri-Circle-D/FW10308112.jpg

http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn76/Tri-Circle-D/FW10308113.jpg

And, here are photos of the same area, taken on January 2, 2009:

http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn76/Tri-Circle-D/ThanksgivingFW2008344.jpg

http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn76/Tri-Circle-D/ThanksgivingFW2008345.jpg

http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn76/Tri-Circle-D/ThanksgivingFW2008346.jpg

http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn76/Tri-Circle-D/ThanksgivingFW2008347.jpg

So, there you go. The tower is gone. And, the holes it left have been patched.

A castmember who claims to have worked at the Fort for 30 years was working on some of the landscaping in this area, and confirmed that the water tower has been removed for use in the pool renovation.

TCD

RvUsa
01-06-2009, 11:52 AM
Mike and Shan, whoever makes it, let me know, I will give it it's own page on my site, and post the file so we can all sit and chat here and on my site and listen to the fort.... That would be awesome!


TCD as usual, you are the one and only source for the best, and most up to date info on the fort!!!

ynottony99
01-06-2009, 12:25 PM
TCD, that is awesome! Thanks for sharing these. Now, did you by any chance do some snooping and find where this water tower is being kept?

Tri-circle-D
01-06-2009, 12:39 PM
TCD, that is awesome! Thanks for sharing these. Now, did you by any chance do some snooping and find where this water tower is being kept?


But of course!

I used the TCD spy bike to head down the service road that you come to as you head from the Outpost area toward the campground. As I was pedaling nonchalantly into the work area, a Security truck pulled up next to me. The fellow in the truck rolled down his window, and said: "Excuse me, but are you a cast member?" I thought that was a pretty good line. I wanted to say, "Yes, but I am just riding this old bike around in my civilian clothes while I am on break. Now, give me your badge number so I can include it in my report!" But, I played it cool and just told the fellow that I must have made a wrong turn, sorry for the inconvenience, and then headed on out of there. For what it is worth, I got a good look around the area- just the same old dilapidated picnic tables, trash cans, etc.

I expect that the water tower is in some type of shop somewhere, and not out in the open.


I did do some other snooping, and have some new behind the scenes info- look for my new trip report on the main board.

TCD

BradyBz12
01-06-2009, 04:01 PM
The clop-clop of horse's hooves carting carriage-ride passengers around, the distant echo of the launch's horn, the tumult of Wishes, and the calliope-like strains of the water pageant.

So great! This is the first time we've stayed so long at one time (almost 3 weeks). We were in the 300 loop and these things practically became embedded in my brain... in a GOOD way.

Gotta say it would be far more pleasant if when my alarm went off in the morning, it sounded like the launch to MK! :goodvibes

BradyBz12
01-06-2009, 04:04 PM
So, there you go. The tower is gone.

TCD wins - no suprise there! :thumbsup2

A castmember who claims to have worked at the Fort for 30 years was working on some of the landscaping in this area, and confirmed that the water tower has been removed for use in the pool renovation.

Very cool indeed! Can't wait to see... popcorn::

Shan-man
01-06-2009, 08:53 PM
Gotta say it would be far more pleasant if when my alarm went off in the morning, it sounded like the launch to MK! :goodvibes

That is EXACTLY what I had in mind!

KeepSwimmingDory
01-06-2009, 09:21 PM
Enjoying all the photos.

http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s117/melissavmk/oldsign.jpg

http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s117/melissavmk/ftwildernessisgn-1.jpg

BradyBz12
01-06-2009, 09:35 PM
http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s117/melissavmk/oldsign.jpg

LOVE the old sign - I never saw it in person. :sad1:

I wonder what lucky soul got their hands on that when it was taken down...

I just managed to snap up a tire cover with "Musket Mickey" on it on eBay. I don't think the person selling it realized it might actually be worth something - I paid less than what the new ones cost now, and it had never been used...

http://www.****************/_CLIENTS/WDW/photos/CampsiteLights03.jpg

Still waiting for the days when the few remaining trash cans with the old logo on it show up on eBay. I found a few on our recent trip...

http://www.****************/_CLIENTS/WDW/photos/FW-MusketMickey.jpg

KeepSwimmingDory
01-06-2009, 09:44 PM
I miss it too. Our first trip was in 2000 but I can't remember which year it came down. Memory is too much like Dory's. :rotfl:

Great find on the tire cover. :thumbsup2

I miss this sign and the totems too. Miss my cute little boys--they are all big guys now! :sad2:

http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s117/melissavmk/signkids.jpg

BradyBz12
01-06-2009, 10:13 PM
Aw... that's such a great shot! :goodvibes

ynottony99
01-07-2009, 03:38 PM
I miss it too. Our first trip was in 2000 but I can't remember which year it came down. Memory is too much like Dory's. :rotfl:

Great find on the tire cover. :thumbsup2

I miss this sign and the totems too. Miss my cute little boys--they are all big guys now! :sad2:

http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s117/melissavmk/signkids.jpg

Great photo! I am still trying to figure out just where this sign and the totem poles were, in relation to the present sign.

KeepSwimmingDory
01-07-2009, 04:01 PM
Thanks:goodvibes

To the best of my memory and ability to give directions :lmao:

this sign and totem poles were in an area that is now just open grass that would be to the right of where you drive to check in an RV or to the left of where you drive to go past the little security building.

Does that make any sense? Maybe someone else with better direction giving ability can chime in? I am directionally-challenged to say the least.

ynottony99
01-07-2009, 05:59 PM
I found these 'then' photos on line, so I don't have any info. about them. But I am betting some of you all do!


Then
http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m133/ynottony99/FW_bear.jpg

http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m133/ynottony99/FW_sign4.jpg

Now
http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m133/ynottony99/FirstPhotosCanon297.jpg

http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m133/ynottony99/September07Day182.jpg

KeepSwimmingDory
01-07-2009, 08:07 PM
I love those pictures from Settlement Trading Post. I honestly don't remember for sure, but I think the bear and totems might have been there on our first few trips. Don't think I have any pictures from that area back then.

Here's one of our first Ft. Wilderness cabin which I think is referred to as a Wilderness Home.

http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s117/melissavmk/wildernesshome.jpg

Then a photo from allears.net of a current cabin.

http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s117/melissavmk/ftw36.jpg

ynottony99
01-08-2009, 07:19 AM
The 'Retired' Musket Mickey sign was sold on Ebay, I believe Mousesurplus sold it. I snagged these photos from the auction description. I don't recall for sure, but I think it fetched around $1300.

http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m133/ynottony99/fortwildsign1-1.jpg

http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m133/ynottony99/fortwildsign2.jpg

http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m133/ynottony99/fortwildsign3.jpg

http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m133/ynottony99/fortwildsign4.jpg

http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m133/ynottony99/fortwildsign5.jpg

http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m133/ynottony99/fortwildsign6.jpg

http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m133/ynottony99/fortwildsign7-1.jpg

http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m133/ynottony99/fortwildsign8.jpg

Tri-circle-D
01-08-2009, 07:39 AM
I miss it too. Our first trip was in 2000 but I can't remember which year it came down. Memory is too much like Dory's. :rotfl:

Great find on the tire cover. :thumbsup2

I miss this sign and the totems too. Miss my cute little boys--they are all big guys now! :sad2:

http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s117/melissavmk/signkids.jpg


Great photo!

Thanks for sharing.

I do not recall this sign being there during my earliest visits to the Fort, in the mid 90's, but I guess I just must not have been paying attention!

TCD

Tri-circle-D
01-08-2009, 07:41 AM
I found these 'then' photos on line, so I don't have any info. about them. But I am betting some of you all do!



Tony- Nice job on the totem pictures. I don't remember the bear totem at all!

TCD

BradyBz12
01-08-2009, 07:57 AM
Should have known Mouse Surplus snagged that sign. We actually went there for the first time last month - cool place! I was tempted to re-furnish my entire house - and could have done so VERY reasonably.

They currently have a plane from Killimanjaro Safari. Would have looked very cool on my front lawn, but we couldn't figure out how to get it home... :rotfl2:

Tri-circle-D
01-08-2009, 09:12 AM
Since we are talking about the totem poles that used to be in front of the Settlement Trading Post, here is my then photo:

http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn76/Tri-Circle-D/20.jpg

That is my oldest DD in the photo, she is now 17. I think she was four when this photo was taken- so let's say it was 13 or so years ago- 1996?

Here is my now photo- same place- from the Settlement Trading Post porch, looking toward Trails End:

http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn76/Tri-Circle-D/ThanksgivingFW2008369.jpg

The totem poles are long gone, now we have a covered wagon.

And here is a shot I took right after:

http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn76/Tri-Circle-D/ThanksgivingFW2008370.jpg

I see from Tony's photos above that these wheels have hung here for quite a while. Now that I think about it, I don't think that there are any of these wheels hanging on the Meadow Trading Post. Are there?

And, while we are talking totem- take a look at this photo. It was posted a while back on another thread here on the Disboards:

http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn76/Tri-Circle-D/tikipolesap2.jpg

Is this someplace in Fort Wilderness?

I recall talk some time back from folks who remember back to the times before the Wilderness Lodge was built, and possibly a path that went all the way to over by the Contemporary Resort. Is this display something that was out that way? Anybody have a clue?

TCD

KeepSwimmingDory
01-08-2009, 09:22 AM
Great photo! I love that she is holding her Pluto too. Great thread.

Shan-man
01-08-2009, 10:45 AM
I don't have any certainty on this, but I would suspect that this is not Fort Wilderness. The hills are too large for central Florida, especially the rocky one on the right... these would require a lot of earthmoving. And, there is a railroad crossing arm in the background, vertical on the far right, and a railroad buck, between the "v" shaped totem pieces... neither of which I suspect were on FW property.

Hope you don't mind, I did a little restoration work:
http://i523.photobucket.com/albums/w359/SLSettles/Web%20Graphics/tikipolesap2.jpg

Tri-circle-D
01-08-2009, 11:04 AM
I don't have any certainty on this, but I would suspect that this is not Fort Wilderness. The hills are too large for central Florida, especially the rocky one on the right... these would require a lot of earthmoving. And, there is a railroad crossing arm in the background, vertical on the far right, and a railroad buck, between the "v" shaped totem pieces... neither of which I suspect were on FW property.

Hope you don't mind, I did a little restoration work:
http://i523.photobucket.com/albums/w359/SLSettles/Web%20Graphics/tikipolesap2.jpg


Shannon- Thanks for the restoration work. I didn't notice that railroad crossing arm, but I see it now.

So, what is a railroad buck? It looks like a piece of concrete with three poles sticking out of it. This seems vaguely familiar, but heck if I know what one of these might be. There also appears to be something horizontal here, but I can't figure out what that is.

This photo was originally posted on a thread in the Theme Parks Attractions and Strategies board. I will need to go back and look for the original post, as the other photos taken on that same roll of film were definitely taken at Disney World. There are some small hills in the Fort. There is one right near the entrance to the maintenance building that you can see off to the right as you drive toward the camping loops at the Fort. So, I am not ruling out that this photo is of someplace on WDW property. It looks like Florida to me.

Could this possibly be somewhere around the Magic Kingdom's railroad? There are fake Indian props along the track there. Could these be an earlier version?

I do admit that this does not look like a typical WDW area, especially one from the early 70's. The landscaping looks kind of unkempt, so you could be right that this isn't even anywhere on WDW property.

Maybe someone will see this photo, and it will jog a memory.

TCD

Tri-circle-D
01-08-2009, 12:44 PM
OK, Shannon-

Here is the original post that had the mysterious totem poles photo in it:

:goodvibes OK Here we go (finally!)

My Favorite Shot

http://img101.imageshack.us/img101/3456/castleqf7.jpg

I'm in mom's arms (too scared of Pluto!)

http://img504.imageshack.us/img504/3920/picwithplutowa9.jpg

The Castle Across the Water (not sure what water this is?)

http://img134.imageshack.us/img134/3848/castleacrosswaterag0.jpg

Front Entry to the MK

http://img134.imageshack.us/img134/5687/frontentryls7.jpg

Ahh - Main Street USA

http://img134.imageshack.us/img134/7569/mainstreetky7.jpg

The Skyway in Fantasyland

http://img381.imageshack.us/img381/7761/skywaypz0.jpg

Steamship

http://img381.imageshack.us/img381/7914/steamshipza8.jpg

Another Steamship

http://img381.imageshack.us/img381/816/steamship2cq0.jpg

Where were these at???

http://img381.imageshack.us/img381/7483/tikipolesap2.jpg

In the tiki tiki tiki tiki tikiroom!

http://img504.imageshack.us/img504/4813/tikiroominsidedh6.jpg

Fourth of July Parade (I think)
http://img381.imageshack.us/img381/2356/bandep0.jpg

Photo shop

http://img134.imageshack.us/img134/5827/cornerstoremainstreetdn9.jpg

Ahh the topiaries

http://img134.imageshack.us/img134/5108/topiariesbj7.jpg

Coming up to the happiest place on earth!

http://img134.imageshack.us/img134/9473/walkwayoutsidemknb2.jpg

So- I it seems like there is a good chance that these were somewhere on WDW property.

TCD

stacktester
01-08-2009, 01:05 PM
Could this be up at check in around the outpost area? I'll have to print this pic and show it to Josephine at Trails End. She may know.

ORLCampers
01-08-2009, 02:33 PM
Could those have been at the "Indian Settlement" along the WDW Railroad track around the MK? That would help explain the RR crossing arm as there are a number of cast access roads back there. That hill in the back does look rather large though.

Shan-man
01-08-2009, 05:53 PM
A crossing buck is just two boards that cross and usually say "railroad crossing" in an 'X'. It is rather confounding that this pic occurs in the middle of Disney pics. Is it possible yall left for the afternoon and caught some other 'tourista' attractions? I find it hard to believe these could even be in the MK RR loop.

Tri-circle-D
01-09-2009, 08:36 AM
A crossing buck is just two boards that cross and usually say "railroad crossing" in an 'X'. It is rather confounding that this pic occurs in the middle of Disney pics. Is it possible yall left for the afternoon and caught some other 'tourista' attractions? I find it hard to believe these could even be in the MK RR loop.

Shannon- I agree with you. This is confusing. There is no reason to assume, based on the photos that surround the one in question, that the photographer left the Magic Kingdom and travelled to Fort Wilderness, but I still think there is a possibility that this photo was taken some place at WDW.

Enough on that photo, I have another "then" photo (but not a "now" one to correspond with it).

I found this photo on-line.

From what I have heard, there used to be a truck that went around the camping loops at Fort Wilderness selling fresh produce. I think this is it:

http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn76/Tri-Circle-D/1226034962_81741a51a2_o.jpg

(note that the man in the cowboy hat definitely seems to be wearing a castmember costume and name tag)

I think this service stopped before I made my first visit to the Fort.

But, I do remember the ice cream wagon. This was a small wagon, pulled by one horse, that would travel the camping loops on occasion. The driver of this wagon sold ice cream bars. I have a clear recollection of buying Mickey Mouse premium bars for the whole family on one trip when we were camping in the 1400 loop. The horse had the same name as Mrs. TCD, so we all had a good chuckle over that. I would say this was at least 10 years ago, and it probably has been that long since I last saw the ice cream wagon.

TCD

2goofycampers
01-09-2009, 09:16 AM
Loving all the pix, keep them coming.:thumbsup2


I'm thinking I remember the totem poles on the train ride at the MK first visit my family ever made. Frank went opening year I'll ask him if he remembers it.

SunshineCamper
01-09-2009, 10:44 AM
Could the totem poles be at MK -Frontierland between the McDonald's fries cart and Splash Mt. or in Splash Mts. area? It's just been covered (by the years growing trees) and remodeling due to Splash Mt. and Big Thunder Mt. (which weren't there July 1972).
I took at shot at it...:confused3

FlaFortCampster
01-09-2009, 11:47 AM
Agreed with SunshineCamper, I think that shot is where Big Thunder Mt. ended up going. Some of the Indian theme still remains.

Tri-circle-D
01-09-2009, 12:07 PM
Could the totem poles be at MK -Frontierland between the McDonald's fries cart and Splash Mt. or in Splash Mts. area? It's just been covered (by the years growing trees) and remodeling due to Splash Mt. and Big Thunder Mt. (which weren't there July 1972).
I took at shot at it...:confused3

Agreed with SunshineCamper, I think that shot is where Big Thunder Mt. ended up going. Some of the Indian theme still remains.

You both might be right about this. The rock border in the lower corner of the photo seems familiar. Aren't there still rocks like this around there? Same with the rail fence. And, that would be consistent with the location of the rest of the photos in this group.

Possibly the crossing arm relates to the MK train, which loops behind this area?

TCD

FlaFortCampster
01-09-2009, 01:00 PM
Recently went thru my picture albums and here are the only photos from the early 70's I could find. The first trip was in 1973. We were in I believe Jack Rabbit Run, loop 800.
I know we went on a shoe string budget, not even a stove, just pup tents and a flashlight. How things have changed!

http://i365.photobucket.com/albums/oo96/ppp8815/Fw1sttrip1972.jpg
Just 2 pup tents. Note the thick vegetation.

http://i365.photobucket.com/albums/oo96/ppp8815/Fw1sttripswamptrail.jpg
Friends on the old Wilderness Swamp Trail. How the landscape has changed in this area. Check out those clothes! Hey, it use to be cool.

http://i365.photobucket.com/albums/oo96/ppp8815/Fw1sttrip20000leagues.jpg
Shot from the Skyway, a ride long gone, 20,000 Leagues which is also gone. Note the monorail track in the back. Switching station is back there.

Its seems as though there haven't been at lot of changes, but I guess there has been quite a few.
The Marshmellow Marsh is gone, no more trams in the campgrounds and the biggest heartbreak, no more Fort Wilderness Railroad.

BradyBz12
01-09-2009, 01:05 PM
Great photos! 20,000 Leagues... now that brings back memories (although mostly of standing in line for hours!)

DH remembers the ice cream wagon fondly. :cloud9:

ynottony99
01-11-2009, 10:42 AM
Over on the Disney Railroad Board, someone shared this link. These folks have shared some really great photos of Fort Wilderness and WDW.

http://members.shaw.ca/jackie_frampton/Disneyscrapbook/fortwildtrain.htm

LONE-STAR
01-11-2009, 01:47 PM
Over on the Disney Railroad Board, someone shared this link. These folks have shared some really great photos of Fort Wilderness and WDW.

http://members.shaw.ca/jackie_frampton/Disneyscrapbook/fortwildtrain.htm

Very cool thanks for the link.

lisa8200
01-11-2009, 02:39 PM
Over on the Disney Railroad Board, someone shared this link. These folks have shared some really great photos of Fort Wilderness and WDW.

http://members.shaw.ca/jackie_frampton/Disneyscrapbook/fortwildtrain.htm
That was awesome, Thanks for sharing the link

cyberdeb
01-11-2009, 03:44 PM
Shannon- I agree with you. This is confusing. There is no reason to assume, based on the photos that surround the one in question, that the photographer left the Magic Kingdom and travelled to Fort Wilderness, but I still think there is a possibility that this photo was taken some place at WDW.

Enough on that photo, I have another "then" photo (but not a "now" one to correspond with it).

I found this photo on-line.

From what I have heard, there used to be a truck that went around the camping loops at Fort Wilderness selling fresh produce. I think this is it:

http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn76/Tri-Circle-D/1226034962_81741a51a2_o.jpg

(note that the man in the cowboy hat definitely seems to be wearing a castmember costume and name tag)

I think this service stopped before I made my first visit to the Fort.

But, I do remember the ice cream wagon. This was a small wagon, pulled by one horse, that would travel the camping loops on occasion. The driver of this wagon sold ice cream bars. I have a clear recollection of buying Mickey Mouse premium bars for the whole family on one trip when we were camping in the 1400 loop. The horse had the same name as Mrs. TCD, so we all had a good chuckle over that. I would say this was at least 10 years ago, and it probably has been that long since I last saw the ice cream wagon.

TCD

I remember that cart. It was in the 70's at some point. Well I was there in the early 70's and i think 76. My dad was a photographer and has some slides that have my brother and sister buying something from that cart.

Tri-circle-D
01-12-2009, 08:02 AM
Tony-

Thanks for posting the link to the photos of the FW Railroad.

For those interested, here is a link to a Youtube video that shows a trip on the railroad. The video begins at what was the Settlement Depot. This is the area near the Settlement bus stop that is currently a golf cart parking lot. The Depot building stood there until just a couple of years ago. You can still see the old railroad ties adjacent to this area.

Fort Wilderness Railroad Video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n633qZJJgJc)

If you watch this video, you will see that from the Settlement Depot, the train headed into the campground, and crossed the entrances to both the 400 and 500 loops. There are railroad bucks (thanks Shan-man for teaching me the name of these signs) that you can see as the train crosses these loops. I believe that there may have also been crossing arms at these loops too, but I do not see them in the video.

I tried a couple of screen shots from the video.

This is the train crossing in front of the 400 loop. You can see the railroad buck in the screen shot. Also, in the video, you can also clearly read the sign in front of the loop, which identifies it as Whispering Pine Way- the same name it has today:

http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn76/Tri-Circle-D/FWRailroad.jpg

As the train travels along, you can also get a good look at the playground next to the 300 loop. There are totem poles and teepees here:

http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn76/Tri-Circle-D/FWPlaygound.jpg

I swiped these photos from the site at the link provided by Tony. They also show the train crossing what appears to be a loop entrance:


http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn76/Tri-Circle-D/16train.jpg

http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn76/Tri-Circle-D/11train.jpg

http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn76/Tri-Circle-D/12train.jpg

So, is there any evidence of the train crossings at the 400 and 500 loop entrances?

Check out my "now" photos:

http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn76/Tri-Circle-D/FWNewYear2009357.jpg

http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn76/Tri-Circle-D/FWNewYear2009356.jpg

http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn76/Tri-Circle-D/FWNewYear2009359.jpg

http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn76/Tri-Circle-D/FWNewYear2009358.jpg

I think these concrete remnants might be related to the railroad.

And, one more photo from the link Tony provided. Here is a photo of what appears to me to be the Meadow Trading Post. I think the train used to stop there:

http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn76/Tri-Circle-D/14train.jpg

If you ever notice, there is a side walk that travels from the Meadow Trading Post out to the 600 loop entrance. I think this is poured on the old rail-bed. This same sidewalk continues in the other direction, out to the area of the 1200/1300 loop entrance, and crosses the road over by the 1100 loop. I think this sidewalk is also poured over the old rail-bed. In fact, over near the 1200/1300 loop, you can still see the gravel that the ties were set upon.

TCD

DaveInTN
01-12-2009, 09:33 AM
I've had some fun looking for remnants of the train on our last 2 trips. If I'm not mistaken, you will notice in the dog park near the 300 loop playground that there is a "ridge" running from the road toward the canal, right through the middle of the dog park. I think that was the old train bed. On our last trip we rented canoes and did the canal loop, and noticed the concrete supports of an old railroad bridge on each side of the canal in back of the dogpark. Pretty cool.

Tri-circle-D
01-12-2009, 10:48 AM
I've had some fun looking for remnants of the train on our last 2 trips. If I'm not mistaken, you will notice in the dog park near the 300 loop playground that there is a "ridge" running from the road toward the canal, right through the middle of the dog park. I think that was the old train bed. On our last trip we rented canoes and did the canal loop, and noticed the concrete supports of an old railroad bridge on each side of the canal in back of the dogpark. Pretty cool.

Dave- Here is a photo of the ridge that you mentioned:

http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn76/Tri-Circle-D/FW10308029.jpg

If you walk toward the fence in the background of this photo, you will be able to see the concrete supports that held the train trestle that has since been removed.

I think this is a photo of the bridge, when it existed:

http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn76/Tri-Circle-D/TrainOnBridgeTN.jpg

TCD

DaveInTN
01-12-2009, 10:54 AM
Yes! I should have known you'd have a picture of the ridge. That's awesome. You should have seen me on that canoe trip excitedly pointing out the bridge supports to my family. I think I was the only one that found them cool, as my daughters were like "yeah, neat Daddy...whatever".

BradyBz12
01-12-2009, 11:05 AM
Our dog Bz loved that ridge in the dog park. She generally likes to perch herself on the highest spot she can find. She kept retrieving her Jolly Ball and bringing it back up there to drop it for DH (regardless of where he was).

Tri-circle-D
01-23-2009, 08:06 AM
This is an old rate sheet that has been previously published at other places on this Board:

http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn76/Tri-Circle-D/1972PricesandActivities.jpg

This is supposedly from 1972. It appears that all campsites were priced at the same $11.00 per night rate. No premium, preferred, full or partial distinction. Back at that time, there was no cable TV or swimming pool, and there was only one park to transport the campers to.

This is a rate sheet that I picked up on my last visit (it shows 2008 rates):


http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn76/Tri-Circle-D/ratesheet2.jpg

So, are these prices outrageous?

According to this inflation calculator (this is a screen capture from www.usinflationcalculator.com), the prices for the partial hook up sites appear to be comparable, after adjusting for inflation, with what was charged for a basic site in 1972:

http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn76/Tri-Circle-D/inflationcalculator.jpg

TCD

ynottony99
01-23-2009, 08:34 AM
So I wonder how much a state park campground charged in 1972? I have reservations for Wekiwa Springs in Feb. and the rate before tax is $20. So at the same rate of inflation I am guessing back then it would have been about $4 a night. If so, I imagine that $11 seemed quite steep for FW.

Shan-man
01-23-2009, 08:35 AM
What really strikes me about the rate sheet is that NO PETS were allowed, whatsoever. Sure, the kennel was only $1 per day, but you couldn't even let you furry children visit the campsite. Glad that's changed, or we'd be at Encore or Turkey Lake!

Live4FW
01-23-2009, 10:39 AM
When I was 13 we moved back to FL from Cali and had been avid RV'ers out there. My FW bug didn't start until my late 30's.

I always wondered why we didn't stay there from '78 - '83???? :scratchin

AHA, It was the no pets issue. We had a dog that always went camping with us.

I then remembered we went to the fort in '93 staying in our pop-up that we only had for a year or two. We had to leave my dog with my parents at the time.

Sure glad they changed this policy! One of the good things that has come to the fort over the years instead of going away:thumbsup2

BTW, I also like the fact that there are loops for dogs and loops for no dogs. Hope that stays.

ynottony99
01-23-2009, 11:03 AM
I am sure that some of you have seen this page before, but thought it was worth listing on this thread. It is a great collection of Disney Postcards. Chapter 4, pages 7,14,15 are FW/RC related, but there is a lot more worth checking out.:)

http://www.bigbrian-nc.com/pctoc.htm

ynottony99
01-26-2009, 12:27 PM
Here are a couple of photos I found out there on that Inter-Web. I don't have any now photos as comparison, but things have changed a bit.

http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m133/ynottony99/FW1081-031981.jpg

http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m133/ynottony99/FW1081-01.jpg

HLUVZWDW
01-26-2009, 06:16 PM
http://i644.photobucket.com/albums/uu168/HLUVZWDW/4-1517.jpg

Remember the sign

ynottony99
01-30-2009, 11:07 AM
Sticking with the Marina photo from HLUVZWDW, I found these from someones vacation album. Pictures appear to be from the 70's.

http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m133/ynottony99/19772.jpg

http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m133/ynottony99/19773.jpg

http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m133/ynottony99/1977.jpg

Shan-man
01-30-2009, 12:03 PM
MAN! Look at that line for the boats! Love the "Tom Sawyer'esque" sign to MK.

bigdisneydaddy
01-30-2009, 03:17 PM
MAN! Look at that line for the boats! Love the "Tom Sawyer'esque" sign to MK.

All I see is tourists getting in my way.....:lmao:

I look at those old pics and wonder how old those folks are and how many aren't with us anymore. My family has such good memories of our trips that they will last a lifetime, my kids are only 18 and 15 and they already talk about previous trips. My twin brother is going to be a grandfather in June and he is really stoked about building memories with the new child.

Tri-circle-D
03-19-2009, 08:38 AM
Thanks to Dis member Doggmeat, I have a lot more material to use for this thread now.

Here is a copy of the old rules sheet circa 1981 (courtesy of Doggmeat), with a couple of things starred. Note that there used to be three kinds of poisonous snakes at the Fort, and no motorcycles were allowed (also no pets allowed):

http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn76/Tri-Circle-D/OldFWRules-1.jpg

Here is a copy of the rules from a 2009 Fort Wilderness Gazette. Note that there are now four kinds of poisonous snakes, and motorcycles are OK:

http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn76/Tri-Circle-D/FWScan-1.jpg

There are a lot of other, smaller differences.

Interesting stuff!

TCD