Planning on seeing Twilight? Think again

[rpmdfw]

Check out this article (http://www.advocate.com/news_detail_ektid66939.asp) from the Advocate.com

Stephanie Meyer (the author of the Twilight series) has stated that 10% of everything she makes on the books and movies will be given to the Mormon Church.

We all know how the Mormon Church spends it's money.

[Chuck S]

Interesting. I haven't read any of the books, but I thought I may enjoy the movie. I don't want to see it that badly, though. I guess I'll skip it.

[lttlmc3]

I'v been so sick of all the Twilight hype, there is no way I'm going to see it. Yeck.

[Zspa<3ariel]

Yes, Im a twilight fan ( not as crazed as the majority, but I do enjoy it) talk about getting sick of the hype, Im tired of new boycotts being called everday because someone may be associated with the mormon church. You really dont realize the majority of the "gay community" is now just AS bad as these crazed bible-beaters. Why? Well this is exactly what they do, find something that may go against them, even in the smallest of ways and blow it out of proportion 10x bigger than what it is. Alot of religions wanted Harry Potter banned or not for people to see the films, because it had "magic in it". Alot of us said that was crazy. Now here you are, saying to boycott twilight because the author said 10% of her book earnings has to do with her faith. See there isnt much difference. Boycotting the Cinemark Cinemas because the CEO DONATED 10million$ to Prop.8. Yeah Im with you on that. But attacking an author who we have no idea what her real stance is on this? Nor do I believe that is her intention for the money Way to jump the gun, like I said, its sad when we see those fighting for equality slowly destroying it around them, by doing what their "enemy" did to them, single them out.

[Chuck S]

Yes, Im a twilight fan ( not as crazed as the majority, but I do enjoy it) talk about getting sick of the hype, Im tired of new boycotts being called everday because someone may be associated with the mormon church. You really dont realize the majority of the "gay community" is now just AS bad as these crazed bible-beaters. Why? Well this is exactly what they do, find something that may go against them, even in the smallest of ways and blow it out of proportion 10x bigger than what it is. Alot of religions wanted Harry Potter banned or not for people to see the films, because it had "magic in it". Alot of us said that was crazy. Now here you are, saying to boycott twilight because the author said 10% of her book earnings has to do with her faith. See there isnt much difference. Boycotting the Cinemark Cinemas because the CEO DONATED 10million$ to Prop.8. Yeah Im with you on that. But attacking an author who we have no idea what her real stance is on this? Nor do I believe that is her intention for the money Way to jump the gun, like I said, its sad when we see those fighting for equality slowly destroying it around them, by doing what their "enemy" did to them, single them out.

Sorry, but we are NOT donating millions of $$ to take away civil rights, we are responding to those institutions, and their supporters, that did so. 10% of the proceeds of the book and film rights could easily be as much, if not more, than the Mormon Church's financial involvement in rescinding civil rights.

I certainly see a difference between actively supporting rescinding civil rights and choosing not seeing a movie/buying a book. What civil rights are those not seeing the movie or not buying the book taking away from the author, or the church?

If she disagrees with the church's stance, why is she donating millions of dollars from the book/movie profits? We aren't talking against the content or storyline of the books/movies like those that opposed Harry Potter. We aren't calling for the banning of the material, like those that opposed Harry Potter. We simply are not supporting what the profits from the book & movie are going to be used for...thus simply not buying it.

If you knew 10% of any company's profits were going to a cause that worked to rescind your rights, would you support them by purchasing their products?

[OrlandoMike]

If you knew 10% of any company's profits were going to a cause that worked to rescind your rights, would you support them by purchasing their products?

Absolutely not! And the list of companies I don't patronize is pretty darn long!

[rpmdfw]

Absolutely not! And the list of companies I don't patronize is pretty darn long!

Mine, too!

[zulemara]

thank you for posting this Rob. I will make sure DBF and I do not view the movie

[jamieandben]

Funny at the bottom of this thread is an ad for the Twilight Quiz.

[rpmdfw]

Funny at the bottom of this thread is an ad for the Twilight Quiz.

Should we take it? :confused3

:rotfl2:

[jamieandben]

Should we take it? :confused3

:rotfl2:

:laughing:

[Zspa<3ariel]

I never thought I'd see the day when I was ashamed to be on the glbt boards here on wdwinfo. No im not happy about Prop 8. but it isnt the end of my world, it's a bump in the road yes, but Im not going to boycott every little thing that has any ties with it. Like I said some things like the CEO of Cinemark Cinemas, and the fact he donated 10million to prop.8. Yeah I will not be a Cinemark customer. But I dont know Stephanie Meyer personally, but I do not believe it is her intention to take away rights, her books are ABOUT people who are different, a whole family actually, who long for a day when they dont have to hide, when they can just be treated like those around them that are considered "normal".The way people are acting and all this boycotting reminds me of why I left PETA 4 years ago, they were so focused on their enemies they became a mirror image of the enemy with their radical ways. Our fights may be diferent, but methods are shockingly alike.

[Chuck S]

I never thought I'd see the day when I was ashamed to be on the glbt boards here on wdwinfo. No im not happy about Prop 8. but it isnt the end of my world, it's a bump in the road yes, but Im not going to boycott every little thing that has any ties with it. Like I said some things like the CEO of Cinemark Cinemas, and the fact he donated 10million to prop.8. Yeah I will not be a Cinemark customer. But I dont know Stephanie Meyer personally, but I do not believe it is her intention to take away rights, her books are ABOUT people who are different, a whole family actually, who long for a day when they dont have to hide, when they can just be treated like those around them that are considered "normal".The way people are acting and all this boycotting reminds me of why I left PETA 4 years ago, they were so focused on their enemies they became a mirror image of the enemy with their radical ways. Our fights may be diferent, but methods are shockingly alike.


Again, it is perfectly OK with you that 10% of the proceeds (potentially millions of $$) from this project is going to an organization that heavily financed and supported Prop 8? I guess we'll just need to disagree on this topic. If it is not the author's intention to support such causes, she could certainly make a public statement to the contrary, couldn't she?

Seems somewhat contradictive of you to not go to Cinemark theaters, but support this author. Both are supporting Prop 8 through their actions. After all, it was the CEO of Cinemark, not the company, that made the donation, just like, as you claim, it was the church not the author that supports Prop 8. And really, the author is the CEO of her own finances, isn't she?

[rpmdfw]

I'm not saying she's my "enemy". And I am not saying she shouldn't be able to live her life and do her job.

I'm saying that I WILL NOT BUY her products. Huge difference. She, herself, has said that 10% of her earnings from the books and movies will go to the Mormon church. Whether she agrees with how they use it or not is irrelevant. She's giving them the money, they're using it to oppress me. I'm not going to give her the money to pass on to them.

It's that simple.

I'm not calling for a "boycott", I'm asking people to "think again" before they spend their money on Twilight, knowing that a portion of those funds will be used to fight AGAINST gays and lesbians having full and equal rights.

It seems like a no-brainer to me.

[merryweather20]

I never thought I'd see the day when I was ashamed to be on the glbt boards here on wdwinfo. No im not happy about Prop 8. but it isnt the end of my world, it's a bump in the road yes, but Im not going to boycott every little thing that has any ties with it. Like I said some things like the CEO of Cinemark Cinemas, and the fact he donated 10million to prop.8. Yeah I will not be a Cinemark customer. But I dont know Stephanie Meyer personally, but I do not believe it is her intention to take away rights, her books are ABOUT people who are different, a whole family actually, who long for a day when they dont have to hide, when they can just be treated like those around them that are considered "normal".The way people are acting and all this boycotting reminds me of why I left PETA 4 years ago, they were so focused on their enemies they became a mirror image of the enemy with their radical ways. Our fights may be diferent, but methods are shockingly alike.

I don't understand where you are coming from. Its the same thing as the Cinemark deal. Both the CEO and the author give money to groups that vehemently oppose gay rights. Since I wouldn't ive money to any of these groups personally I wouldn't do it through Cinemark or Ms. Meyer either. The situations are identical :confused3

[OrlandoMike]

I work very hard for my money, and I choose not to spend it on people or things that in the long run try to opress my rights.

You can choose to do whatever you want with your money......:confused3

[Zspa<3ariel]

But LGBT moviegoers are faced with another tough decision this holiday season. Twilight, based on the best-selling novel by Stephanie Meyer, opened in theaters this weekend. And if Meyer is to be taken at her word, 10% of all monies she makes off the movie will go to the Mormon Church.

Meyer has made no public statement regarding her feelings on California's Prop. 8. (The Advocate)

Please get the facts straight, no money from the book earnings is going to the mormon church. And this isnt even a fact, it says "if Meyer is to be taken at her word" Also I've been looking for quite some time, and havent been able to find ANYTHING about her saying that, if someone can , please post it. It's easier to not debate when the facts are straight.

[OrlandoMike]

"Meyer, a Mormon....."

From just about every website on her I could find. Mormons typically tithe 10% to their church, if not more...

FYI, I dont even know what the Twilight thing is? :confused3

[Zspa<3ariel]

SO does that mean some of you want to basically boycott all mormons? lol I find that to be silly. Twilight is a very popular book series, and now huge movie. Its was made by an indie film company, and has made double+ its budjet.

[OrlandoMike]

SO does that mean some of you want to basically boycott all mormons?

Let's just say I'm not a real fan of the Mormon Church or it's members right now.

And how much a movie makes, has no impact on this discussion. Rush Limbaugh makes millions!

[rpmdfw]

SO does that mean some of you want to basically boycott all mormons? lol I find that to be silly. Twilight is a very popular book series, and now huge movie. Its was made by an indie film company, and has made double+ its budjet.

Boycott, no? Avoid knowingly spending my money on their products and in their stores, yes. As long as they're giving money to an organization that works to deny my right to equality as an American citizen. She has the right to give her money to her church, I have the right to not spend my money on her books, so that it doesn't end up in the church's hands, so they can donate it to the next hate-filled ballot initiative.

If they're not supporting the Mormon church, then I have no problem doing business with them.

And the books may be popular, and it may be a huge movie. Why should that play any part in my decision making? Popular doesn't always mean "good" or "right". The right thing for me is to not see the movie. And I'll be telling everyone I know why I refuse to see it.

[Zspa<3ariel]

I believe the right thing to do is to find out for sure, rather than jump on the "us against them" bandwagon, yes I know it's a very popular method of handling things at this time. Seriously though alot of gay people are becoming just as bad as these radical christians that are so "dangerous". I believe in fighting for whats right, but I also believe there are much bigger things you can be doing about Prop. 8 rather than an attempted slander/boycott at an author who MAY (someone please find this in writing so it can be cleared up) be donating money to her church. The advocate is becoming like the bible, not everyhting printed in it is fact, but when it favors anothers beliefs it becomes such a wonderful tool. . .for them. Ive attempted to find some information, regarding how true this is, but havent found anything. What I did find is how sad it is just because something is published in an online article, in this case the advocate, it is taken as truth. They (or any "gay-friendly" news publication) publish a new enemy and we're suppose to just add it to our "list"? :crazy2:

[merryweather20]

I believe the right thing to do is to find out for sure, rather than jump on the "us against them" bandwagon, yes I know it's a very popular method of handling things at this time. Seriously though alot of gay people are becoming just as bad as these radical christians that are so "dangerous". I believe in fighting for whats right, but I also believe there are much bigger things you can be doing about Prop. 8 rather than an attempted slander/boycott at an author who MAY (someone please find this in writing so it can be cleared up) be donating money to her church. The advocate is becoming like the bible, not everyhting printed in it is fact, but when it favors anothers beliefs it becomes such a wonderful tool. . .for them.

Are you kidding? I don't get it here, she is a serious practicing Mormon. Its not as though she grew up Mormon and no longer pracices. Yes she has admitted to periodically drinking cherry diet Pepsi, but that hardly puts a fork in her faith, heck, she links to the LDS web-site from her personal web-site (mormon.org if you want an explanation on what tithing is) and constantly reaffirms her allegiance in interviews (Do a quick google search she often discusses the Mormon church, she discusses it in more interviews than not). There is no doubting that she is Mormon and that she tithes.

This simply isn't a joke :confused3 There are many people myself included who would rather not pay a hate tax when they go to the Cinema. This is no different then Cinemark which you mentioned you were boycotting yourself. Both have given money to support hateful legislation. No difference, why do you have a problem with one and not the other?

[Zspa<3ariel]

Nobody is kidding in this matter, we all want that ban lifted, but some of us just arent going to extremist root. I still havent seen any article or interview where she states 10% of the movie ( as advocate stated) earnings that SHE gets, will go to the Mormon church. And have any of you read her books?

[merryweather20]

Nobody is kidding in this matter, we all want that ban lifted, but some of us just arent going to extremist root. I still havent seen any article or interview where she states 10% of the movie ( as advocate stated) earnings that SHE gets, will go to the Mormon church. And have any of you read her books?

This is part of the Mormon faith. Since she is Mormon she tithes. That tithing amount is 10% if you want more information on the Mormon faith you can use the site I mentioned earlier or link directly from her personal site.

This isn't an "extremist root" its one you said you'd participate in yourslef ie. not going to Cinemark. They both gave money in support of prop 8, so why would you give money to either of them? Why patronize one and not the other?

[Zspa<3ariel]

Because Merryweather, I'm having a hard time making sense of how Stephenie Meyer could have donated 10% of her earnings from the film ( as Advocate said, if true to her word) to the mormon church, which could've gone on to fund Prop.8, when ...Prop.8 was weeks ago, and Twilight hasnt even been open for a WEEK. The films earnings where just tallied/released sunday evening.

[wallyb]

And have any of you read her books?

Why? - What does that have to do with anything?

I think the topic here is - Is she benefiting from gays while donating money to take away our rights?

Not what her books are about - or if they are good, bad - or a trite over romanticized rehash.

[TuckandStuiesMom]

What the LDS Church REALLY need to get right on this issue is to have some prominent male (Sadly guys -- but it's the truth. When there's somebody actively stirring the wingnut morality pot, the hands on the paddle are often dirty guilty guy-paws ) members to face WHY they are so scared of equal marriage. It's NO SECRET that SOME NUMBER of those prominent members are driven by self-hatred and fear of their OWN sexuality. It would do a world of good, if those members would JUST COME OUT. NOW.
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don't tithe, cuss like a sailor, like a glass of wine every couple months or so, will probably never have a Temple Recommend (LOL!), and am HEARTSICK over the church's most recent horrible blunder on civil rights -- but am still a Mormon (inactive; but even so... :confused3 ). I know I am not alone on the last list-item, please try not to think we are all aligned with the church's position on this.

[DVCajun]

Because Merryweather, I'm having a hard time making sense of how Stephenie Meyer could have donated 10% of her earnings from the film ( as Advocate said, if true to her word) to the mormon church, which could've gone on to fund Prop.8, when ...Prop.8 was weeks ago, and Twilight hasnt even been open for a WEEK. The films earnings where just tallied/released sunday evening.

You keep underlining the fact that the article gives a disclaimer by saying *IF* she is to be taken at her word. The fact is that the author DOES say she tithes. I'm not particularly inclined to second guess her commitment to that decision.

You don't get the point. We (gays) are a minority, but we are still a rather large group of folks, and we spend our money every day in businesses that reap the rewards of our patronage. Let me tell you something -- if I KNOW that a particular enterprise is devoted to stripping me of my freaking CIVIL RIGHTS, I am NOT going to patronize their business anymore! Call me crazy, but I'd rather support the businesses that support me!

I'm disappointed to find out this information about Twilight, because it was on my list of movies to see, like NOW. I thought it looked incredibly good. I'm sure it IS incredibly good, just as I'm sure Ms. Meyer is a talented author. I'm making a *sacrifice* by deciding not to see this movie.

We don't have many tools at our disposal, but how and where we spend our money is definitely one of them.

I can live with sacrificing my enjoyment (and sometimes convenience) in order to make sure my own money isn't misused against me in the future.

And, don't be naive. Prop 8 is over, but the mormon church (and others who oppose gay rights) isn't done trying to stomp on your rights. This is a WAR -- Prop 8 was just one of the most recent battles.

[rpmdfw]

don't tithe, cuss like a sailor, like a glass of wine every couple months or so, will probably never have a Temple Recommend (LOL!), and am HEARTSICK over the church's most recent horrible blunder on civil rights -- but am still a Mormon (inactive; but even so... :confused3 ). I know I am not alone on the last list-item, please try not to think we are all aligned with the church's position on this.

T&SM, I totally realize that not all Mormon's agree with the church's position on this. That's why in one of my posts above, I specificly say that those Mormons who do not give their money to the church, will still have the chance to get my business.

And if any of my friends chose to tithe to their church (LDS or otherwise) I will not judge them or refuse to socialize with thiem. I simply won't patronize a business (and an author who profits from her writing is indeed a BUSINESS) that supporst organizations working to deny my civil rights.

It's funny. In addition to posting this here on the disboards, I emailed it to everyone on my email list.

The reaction from almost everyone was thanking me for pointing it out to them. The exceptions to that? The Twilight fans. They're all upset with me because they love Twilight and don't want to give it up (not that I ever asked them to, mind you).

Here's the deal. It's easy to say "I won't support businesses who donate to hateful causes" when it's a product you can live without. It's paying lip-service to our cause. When it becomes difficult, when a true sacrifice is involved, then people start to say "oh, why are we doing this silly boycott!" That's when it stops being lip service and becomes activism.

We're simply voting with our dollars. Dollars win elections. Dollars sway public opinion, and in this case, dollars took away our right to marry in California (and kept it from ever being possible here in the state where I live).

Bottom line is, if you spent your money at one of those businesses, YOU helped get the marriage bans passed. No matter how much you say "but I didn't MEAN to", you did.

A lot of us did.

The only thing to do now, is to make sure that my dollars don't ever get used against me again. That's what I'm doing.

It's personal now. No more Mister Nice Gay.

[OrlandoMike]

It's personal now. No more Mister Nice Gay.

This is a side of Rob I dont think I have seen before! :eek:

[jamieandben]

This is a side of Rob I dont think I have seen before! :eek:

I know I'm Feeling All Tingley on the Inside.:lmao:

[merryweather20]

Because Merryweather, I'm having a hard time making sense of how Stephenie Meyer could have donated 10% of her earnings from the film ( as Advocate said, if true to her word) to the mormon church, which could've gone on to fund Prop.8, when ...Prop.8 was weeks ago, and Twilight hasnt even been open for a WEEK. The films earnings where just tallied/released sunday evening.

Where do you think the tithing from her books went?

I don't get why you think the "If she's true to her word" is such a big deal. If she physically supports the Mormon church as she says she does, or just lies and says she does, but doesn't write the cheque, it isn't any better. She could also give the money to a fund to kick puppies but its not really relevant. She is currently a very vocal supporter of the Mormon church who spent an abhorrent amount of money taking away right that they themselves enjoy.

Why is this different then avoiding Cinemark, that you yourself said you'd avoid.

[wallyb]

No more Mister Nice Gay.

You were nice.
How did I miss that?
When did that happen?
:confused3

[Chuck S]

Just because the movie has just now opened, after Prop. 8, does not mean that the profit won't be used by the Church to fight gay marriage rights. Remember it is still in court, both sides are financing the legal challenges.

Nor does it mean that the tithe the author gives isn't simply replentishing what the church already spent against Prop 8. It also does not mean that those funds won't be used to finance similar campaigns for propositions and amendments in other states in a year or two. You know that CA, no matter which way the court rules, will have additional propositions in the futures, as well as other states that don't have any legislation one way or the other so far.

Personally, I think the Mormon church, and ALL churches and religious organizations that actively participate in any sort of public election should lose their tax exempt status for all property, nationwide, for a 5 year time period.

Zspa<3ariel you have not really answered the people who are asking you specifically what the difference is between you not going to a cinemark theater and other people not going to see a particular film. I really am curious how you think there is a big differece between the two. Also, how you do figure that the author that talks openly about her faith and who has direct links to Mormon websites is not tithing?

[rpmdfw]

Personally, I think the Mormon church, and ALL churches and religious organizations that actively participate in any sort of public election should lose their tax exempt status for all property, nationwide, for a 5 year time period.

Just 5 years? You're too nice. I say, they lose tax exempt status permanently.

[Chuck S]

Just 5 years? You're too nice. I say, they lose tax exempt status permanently.

Church leadership can change. They should have the opportunity to reapply, I think, after a specific time frame. A lot can change, whether it be a 5 year timeframe, 10 years, or whatever.

Look at the philosophical differences between Pope John Paul II and Pope Benedict XVI.

[rpmdfw]

Church leadership can change. They should have the opportunity to reapply, I think, after a specific time frame. A lot can change, whether it be a 5 year timeframe, 10 years, or whatever.

Look at the philosophical differences between Pope John Paul II and Pope Benedict XVI.

Ugh. I try not to think about Benny the Dict. :headache:

[RickinNYC]

Yes, Im a twilight fan ( not as crazed as the majority, but I do enjoy it) talk about getting sick of the hype, Im tired of new boycotts being called everday because someone may be associated with the mormon church. You really dont realize the majority of the "gay community" is now just AS bad as these crazed bible-beaters. Why? Well this is exactly what they do, find something that may go against them, even in the smallest of ways and blow it out of proportion 10x bigger than what it is. Alot of religions wanted Harry Potter banned or not for people to see the films, because it had "magic in it". Alot of us said that was crazy. Now here you are, saying to boycott twilight because the author said 10% of her book earnings has to do with her faith. See there isnt much difference. Boycotting the Cinemark Cinemas because the CEO DONATED 10million$ to Prop.8. Yeah Im with you on that. But attacking an author who we have no idea what her real stance is on this? Nor do I believe that is her intention for the money Way to jump the gun, like I said, its sad when we see those fighting for equality slowly destroying it around them, by doing what their "enemy" did to them, single them out.

Well, like any other community in the world, there will always be those that don't agree with the group as a whole. :thumbsup2 That's just the way it is and it's good to hear dissenting viewpoints. Personally, I disagree with you completely.

Once an author becomes internationally published and is a massive best seller like she is, and starts making millions, trust me when I tell you that they do indeed become a company unto themselves. Stephen King anyone? With that thought, when any company starts donating any money, considerable or otherwise, with the intent to support the denial of basic civil rights, I know I will do what is right for me and stop spending my own hard earned money on that company. And if that right directly impacts me, you can bet your butt I will do so and ask anyone I know to do the same.

Speaking first about religion in general terms, I have nothing but respect for one's right to choose to worship whomever you like, whenever you like, wherever you like. This country was founded on the freedom from religious persecution when the Mayflower first smacked into Plymouth Rock. My own personal belief in, and relationship with, God and Christ are very solid. However, I do NOT believe in a church going out of its way to spend millions of dollars, solely to support what it believes others should do. They are then stepping into forbidden territory by enforcing their belief systems on others who are NOT members of its congregation. What the Mormon "church" did was absolutely reprehensible and those that support it financially are as accountable as the establishment itself.

You said in another post that you were ashamed for the first time on the GLBT board. I'm sorry but I can say the same thing. Equating the gay community to a group of people who are actively trying to deny us equal rights AND historically have excommunicated members of their church for simply being gay is shameful.

There are things I enjoy in life but I will deny myself those small pleasures because by doing them, I support their ideologies.

[Zspa<3ariel]

Yeah, I've become ashamed with the LGBT community in general, not that I ever saw a LGBT community, mainly just people, thats how I prefer it. Mainly because their retaliation method in situation's like these is hate vs. hate. And people sometimes wonder why we arent given the "same" rights or viewed as equal, I believe our actions speak for that. A poster wants to boycott S. Meyer because he believes money is being used against gays. I've been boycotting gay days in wdw for the past 3 years, carefully planning my trips after june, because the way it's portrayed/handled gives gay's a tacky and slightly trashy look. To each their own, is all I can get out of this one for now.

Peace

[RickinNYC]

Yeah, I've become a bit ashamed in general with the LGBT community, nor that I ever saw a LGBT community, mainly just people, thats how I prefer it. Mainly because their retaliation method in situation's like these is hate vs. hate. And people sometimes wonder why we arent given the "same" rights or viewed as equal, I believe our actions speak for that. A poster wants to boycott S. Meyer because he believes she money is being used against gays. I''ve been boycotting gay days in wdw, carefully planning my trips after june, because I the way it's portrayed/handled gives gay's a tacky and slightly trashy look. To each their own, is all I can get out of this one for now.

Peace

Well, you're entitled to your opinion, and you are encouraged to post your counterpoint. Just be prepared to be disagreed with.

[Zspa<3ariel]

Well, you're entitled to your opinion, and you are encouraged to post your counterpoint. Just be prepared to be disagreed with

Yeah, I figured, but to be honest that's the least of my worries.

[Chuck S]

Yeah, I figured, but to be honest that's the least of my worries.


You still never answered the question of why not going to see this particular movie is fundamentally different from not seeing any movies at Cinemark.

[Zspa<3ariel]

You should look more closely Merryweather asked the same question, and I did answer her. But I suppose you want it in further blatent detail, for a lack of better term, it's petty, the way alot of gay people are acting. No Im not talking about this one situation, for a short time now I've grown to be very ashamed of how this situation (Prop. 8) has been handled by the "lgbt community". You make your list of enemies like that gives you some form of comfort, and that once you boycott all enemies big and small, eveything will be all-right? I just refuse to live under that sad delusion.

[Chuck S]

You should look more closely Merryweather asked the same question, and I did answer her. But I suppose you want it in further blatent detail, for a lack of better term it's petty. No Im not talking about this one situation, for a short time now I've grown to be very ashamed of how this situation (Prop 8) has been handled by the "lgbt community". You make your list of enemies like that gives you some form of comfort, and that once you boycott, eveything will be all-right. I just refuse to live under that sad delusion.


Again, you're boycotting Cinemark, that's not petty...but not seeing a particular movie is petty? I still don't see any fundamental differences between the two situations.

If you are avoiding Cinemark, isn't that just as petty as what you are accusing those of us that choose not to see Twilight? :confused3

I really don't see not supporting a movie where 10% of the profits will go to a Religious organization that fought hard, and is continuing to fight through support of Prop 8 through the courts, to rescind my marriage rights as petty.

[JohnZ46]

I wish I could say that I was boycotting Twilight.

But, to me, the series is the literary equivalent of Hanna Montana so there was no chance of me spending anything on it anyway.

As far as boycotts go, I'm not going to support people, businesses, or organizations that seek to oppress me. If that gets anyone's undies in a twist then so be it.

[Zspa<3ariel]

Again, you're boycotting Cinemark, that's not petty...but not seeing a particular movie is petty? I still don't see any fundamental differences between the two situations.

If you are avoiding Cinemark, isn't that just as petty as what you are accusing those of us that choose not to see Twilight? :confused3

I really don't see not supporting a movie where 10% of the profits will go to a Religious organization that fought hard, and is continuing to fight through support of Prop 8 through the courts, to rescind my marriage rights as petty.

Nobody has been able to find the article or interview where S. Meyer says this
I've looked, all last night. Seeing the film is the argument at hand, so until someone can find me proof, this is one bandwagon I'll gladly let pass by.

[Zspa<3ariel]

I wish I could say that I was boycotting Twilight.

But, to me, the series is the literary equivalent of Hanna Montana so there was no chance of me spending anything on it anyway.
As far as boycotts go, I'm not going to support people, businesses, or organizations that seek to oppress me. If that gets anyone's undies in a twist then so be it.

So have you, or have you not actually read them? I realize this post is about the film, but if your going to attack the books, Im curious if you just didnt find them enjoyable, or if your just throwing an ill attack to join the group.

[rpmdfw]

Nobody has been able to find the article or interview where S. Meyer says this
I've looked, all last night. Seeing the film is the argument at hand, so until someone can find me proof, this is one bandwagon I'll gladly let pass by.

Okay, just for clarification sake. It's not that 10% of the movie's profits that will be donated to the Mormon church, it's 10% of Stephenie Meyer's portion of the total profits that will be given as her TITHE to her church.

[RickinNYC]

Okay, just for clarification sake. It's not that 10% of the movie's profits that will be donated to the Mormon church, it's 10% of Stephenie Meyer's portion of the total profits that will be given as her TITHE to her church.

Exactly

[wallyb]

But, to me, the series is the literary equivalent of Hanna Montana so there was no chance of me spending anything on it anyway.


Wow I'm so glad you said this! :thumbsup2
I like to think of it as a - teen harlequin romance with fake fangs.

[Chuck S]

Did you check the article in the August issue of Time?

Aside from Mitt Romney, you seem to be the most popular Mormon right now in the U.S. Do you feel that you are a good representative of your religion? —Mary-Jean Corriss CENTRAL, ISLIP, N.Y.
Being Mormon is a big part of who I am, and I try very hard to live the right way, but I don't know that I'm an example. I hate to say, "Yes, look at me. I'm a good example of being Mormon." I want to be the best person I can be, so in that aspect, maybe I'm a good example.


If being Mormon is a "big part of who she is" she would be tithing 10% of her income, including the income from the books, movie, and future DVD sales, no?

[RickinNYC]

Wow I'm so glad you said this! :thumbsup2
I like to think of it as a - teen harlequin romance with fake fangs.

Joe had picked up a copy of this to possibly bring it in to his classroom. From his perspective, it's very much written for the junior high/high school population. I didn't read that stuff when I was that age so I have no interest in doing so now. Nevertheless, I'm a huge fan of any book that gets kids to put down the video game controls, turn off the TV and READ that I do have very mixed feelings about Ms. Meyer.

[wallyb]

Joe had picked up a copy of this to possibly bring it in to his classroom. From his perspective, it's very much written for the junior high/high school population. I didn't read that stuff when I was that age so I have no interest in doing so now. Nevertheless, I'm a huge fan of any book that gets kids to put down the video game controls, turn off the TV and READ that I do have very mixed feelings about Ms. Meyer.

I agree the reading part is good.
Too bad the impetus of her idea was not so derivative.

[merryweather20]

You should look more closely Merryweather asked the same question, and I did answer her. But I suppose you want it in further blatent detail, for a lack of better term, it's petty, the way alot of gay people are acting. No Im not talking about this one situation, for a short time now I've grown to be very ashamed of how this situation (Prop. 8) has been handled by the "lgbt community". You make your list of enemies like that gives you some form of comfort, and that once you boycott all enemies big and small, eveything will be all-right? I just refuse to live under that sad delusion.

I was asking repeatedly because I didn't see your answer. I still don't see an answer, and I don't see any clues in the post that I quoted.

Its the same as the Cinemark situation which you said you didn't have a problem with and in fact would participate in. I would certainly try to boycott enemies! Why keep company or do business with enemies, at worst it could be dangerous! Why is this "petty" as you said, and not the Cinemark deal.

I'm not local by any means, but I was very impressed by how the lgbt community handled the hate and violence from the other side, even though they eventually lost the prop 8 battle :sad1: It further affirmed my theory, that the group in the right always handles their fight with class and dignity and never resorts to acts of violence.

No one is advocating censorship here.

No is advocating book burning.

Some people would simply not give there money to people who actively work to take away the rights of other people.

There's no dillusion here, just a couple of people who won't be buying a movie ticket.

Maybe I come at it from a different perspective, because usually when I feel discrimination its because of a real physical barrier. The Pizza Pizza near my apartment spent $250,000 (:scared1: ) renovating the front of their store, and didn't include a ramp. I wrote and asked them why, and they said that the structural changes weren't significant enough that they were required to add one. That wasn't the point, though. For $250,000 they could have incorporated a great ramp into the front of their store, they didn't even have to spend any extra money. I feel like they should have wanted me and other patrons who used wheelchairs and walkers to visit their store. But through dislike or indifference, they decided not to. I don't visit Pizza Pizza because their lack of consideration means I physically cannot. Its not a "petty" punitive boycott.

Likewise with the Cinemark and Meyer deals they could have made different choices, ones that did not work against a specific group (in this case to inact hateful legislation). There is no physical barrier here, but it doesn't make the environment any more hospitable. Once you're in you are doing business with someone that works against you.

[JohnZ46]

So have you, or have you not actually read them? I realize this post is about the film, but if your going to attack the books, Im curious if you just didnt find them enjoyable, or if your just throwing an ill attack to join the group.


I tried the first book. A girl that I work with really likes this series so she loaned the book to me to try. I'll admit that I only read a couple of chapters.

I found the characters to be two dementional. They're either all perfect or all evil. They fall in love forever instantly. It just seems to be written in an overly dramatic manner aimed at teenage girls.


if your just throwing an ill attack to join the group.

You got me. I posted my "attack" because I'm afraid that Rick and Wally will beat me up after school. Seriously:rotfl:

[Zspa<3ariel]

Yeah, you missed the point on that one

[rpmdfw]

Yeah, you missed the point on that one

Wait a minute. You asked if he'd read the books. He said that he had tried but couldn't get through the first one.

He's entitled to his opinion, just as you're entitled to yours. No one has attacked you because you like the books, don't belittle him for not liking them.

Having not tried reading them myself, I offered no opinions on how good they are, because I agree with you. A person should at least give it a try before saying it's good or bad.

I don't care if they're good or bad, I'm not buying them for purely financial reasons.

[Zspa<3ariel]

My response wasnt about his opinion of the books. But the "bandwagon" remark. Nobody is trying to belittle anybody.

[rpmdfw]

My response wasnt about his opinion of the books. But the "bandwagon" remark. Nobody is trying to belittle anybody.

Sorry. It looked like you were bashing him for not liking the book.

My bad.

[TuckandStuiesMom]

Quote: Aside from Mitt Romney, you seem to be the most popular Mormon right now in the U.S. Do you feel that you are a good representative of your religion? —Mary-Jean Corriss CENTRAL, ISLIP, N.Y.
"Being Mormon is a big part of who I am, and I try very hard to live the right way, but I don't know that I'm an example. I hate to say, "Yes, look at me. I'm a good example of being Mormon." I want to be the best person I can be, so in that aspect, maybe I'm a good example."

I don't know this woman from Adam and have never read any of her books (chick-lit is usually not my thing; my daughter is way too old and my grand-daughters are way too young). I read this quote a little differently. She says being Mormon is a big part of her life. She is right on that part -- being a Mormon is not like being a member of some other faiths: you can't slip it on or off like a sweater. It's always with you, for better or worse, warts and all. Then she says that she wants to be the "best person" she can be. GOOD FOR HER -- I say. Realizing that means different things to different people, we should all get up in the morning and give that a try every day IMHO.

You don't have to roll over and take it. You don't have to be mad at all Mormons (OK -- even if it IS only the dumb wingnut ones; we all feel kinda tarred by the same brush). There is a third way -- constructive engagement.

I think I wrote on another one of these threads not all that long ago: to a large degree, gay people are invisible to a large segment of Middle America. There's Jack from Will and Grace and maybe... remotely... possibly... Robin Williams and Nathan Lane from La Cage. Those people are SO not you guys -- not accountants, not teachers, not lawyers (OK -- Will was a lawyer but how often didja ever see him doing lawyer stuff?) You folks are AWESOME. I wish you knew how often I quote something I read here on this board to others because it's wise, or it's insightful, or it's a window into something I previously knew very little about. If they knew you better, they would far less likely to say and do dumb stuff (like vote for those frickin' *** not allowed to post profanity *** propositions)

The opposite is also true -- 99 and 44/00% of the members of the LDS church are also pretty darn awesome -- kind, salt-of-the earth, optimistic people who just wanna be the "best people" they can. They know something about discrimination too; stories of hideous deprivation and persecution that their great-great-grandparents faced are still very much living family history for many members. You would be surprised at all the commonalities that exist.

I am sure that the church leadership -- no matter what official spokespeople might or might not say -- is feeling a lot of pressure right now. That is GOOD. IT IS HIGH TIME. At an individual level, we all should be talking more TO each other and less ABOUT each other. :grouphug: Every moment of interaction is potentially a teachable moment.

Hugs in particular for :grouphug: Zspa<3ariel :grouphug: cuz yall have ganged up on him & I think he might be feeling misunderstood and generally peed on at this point. Not to mention -- he's cute.

[OrlandoMike]

The opposite is also true -- 99 and 44/00% of the members of the LDS church are also pretty darn awesome -- kind, salt-of-the earth, optimistic people who just wanna be the "best people" they can.

I can understand this, but what I cant understand is how people can just blindly continue to give so much cash to an organization that does so much harm with that cash. This problem is not just with the LDS church. I worked with a guy who constantly had money issues, the repo man literally came by once a month. But every week, he wrote that check out to the church!

[TuckandStuiesMom]

I can understand this, but what I cant understand is how people can just blindly continue to give so much cash to an organization that does so much harm with that cash. This problem is not just with the LDS church. I worked with a guy who constantly had money issues, the repo man literally came by once a month. But every week, he wrote that check out to the church!

I agree. Heartbreaking -- really. :sad1:

[rpmdfw]

Hugs in particular for :grouphug: Zspa<3ariel :grouphug: cuz yall have ganged up on him & I think he might be feeling misunderstood and generally peed on at this point. Not to mention -- he's cute.

Okay, speaking for myself, I don't feel like we ganged up on Zspa<3ariel. I feel like he engaged us in conversation (a bit confrontationally -- demanding that we supply him with facts) and that we responded. I don't see that any of us were disrespectful to him or his opinions (any more or less than he was of ours, anyway), and no one told him that he had to agree with us or that he had to stop enjoying the Twilight books and movies. We simply said that we would not be doing so.

I respect that he has voiced his opinion. Mine differs, but that's not the first time that my opinion is different. And I applaud him sticking to his guns.

As for you finding bits of wisdom here on the GLBTQ forum, T&SM, well on that count, I've got to thank you, because quite often the bits of wisdom I take away from here are yours.

Thank you for giving us further insight into this issue. I appreciate it.

[TuckandStuiesMom]

:grouphug: Hugs for you, Rob. :grouphug:

[wallyb]

Okay, speaking for myself, I don't feel like we ganged up on Zspa<3ariel. I feel like he engaged us in conversation (a bit confrontationally -- demanding that we supply him with facts) and that we responded. I don't see that any of us were disrespectful to him or his opinions (any more or less than he was of ours, anyway), and no one told him that he had to agree with us or that he had to stop enjoying the Twilight books and movies. We simply said that we would not be doing so.

I respect that he has voiced his opinion. Mine differs, but that's not the first time that my opinion is different. And I applaud him sticking to his guns.

As for you finding bits of wisdom here on the GLBTQ forum, T&SM, well on that count, I've got to thank you, because quite often the bits of wisdom I take away from here are yours.

Thank you for giving us further insight into this issue. I appreciate it.

Uuuuuuuum - Rob took my answer :rolleyes:

[rpmdfw]

:grouphug: Hugs for you, Rob. :grouphug:

:hug:

And right back atcha! :thumbsup2

[rpmdfw]

Uuuuuuuum - Rob took my answer :rolleyes:

Copy cat!

[TuckandStuiesMom]

Copy cat!

You guys! -- I was kinda joshin' about the ganging up part. (now -- why does that sound sorta dirty?)

[JohnZ46]

My response wasnt about his opinion of the books. But the "bandwagon" remark. Nobody is trying to belittle anybody.

My remark was in response to your suggestion that I was basing my opinion on peer pressure. It seemed to have the condescending tone frequently found in high school.

Please enlighten me. What was the point you were trying to make when you wrote:

or if your just throwing an ill attack to join the group.

[Zspa<3ariel]

Sorry for the delay, a group of us went late last night to actually see it (Twilight)again, although we didnt really discuss this topic I have made note to hear what my friends opinions may be. On another note,I don't feel ganged up on, not in the slightlest. It seemed to have the condescending tone frequently found in high school. Correction, I may have just turned 20 a month ago, but I will actually be a Jr. in college next year.

And what I meant was everybody but me has the same opinion on this matter, so for a moment there it (agreeing with the "masses") seemed like the popular thing to do. That was all I meant.

[wallyb]

Trust me - I for one try never to go with the flow if I can help it.
;)

[RickinNYC]

Sorry for the delay, a group of us went late last night to actually see it (Twilight)again, although we didnt really discuss this topic I have made note to hear what my friends opinions may be. On another note,I don't feel ganged up on, not in the slightlest. Correction, I may have just turned 20 a month ago, but I will actually be a Jr. in college next year.

And what I meant was everybody but me has the same opinion on this matter, so for a moment there it (agreeing with the "masses") seemed like the popular thing to do. That was all I meant.

Popularity had nothing to do with most everyone disagreeing with your stance. To say so diminishes an otherwise serious topic that is important to the majority.