Who's got your vote? Obama or McCain

[Timon-n-Pumbaa Fan]

Just curious.

The results are private, but feel free to share, if you wish.

[SanFranciscan]

I really don't like either McCain or Obama.

I think McCain is a moderate republican so my beef is more with Sarah Palin. McCain may have thought that selecting a woman would help his cause, but I notice that people who really like Clinton and felt that they could live with McCain do not like Sarah Palin.

I really think that Obama would run this country far Left. I am a moderate politically so I believe in equal opportunity and see the difference between equal opportunity and equal outcome. I support workers' rights, and how the employees are treated makes a difference in where I choose to shop. However, I am uneasy with Obama's desire to "redistribute" wealth. Sure there are people out there who have gotten their wealth riding the backs of other people, but I don't think that there is anything noble about poverty. There are plenty of low-income people who don't care how they survive as long as it doesn't require any effort on their part. I am uneasy that such people are expecting an absolute bounty from Obama. I suspect their attitude would be "We voted for you, where is our free money?"

[zulemara]

I really don't like either McCain or Obama.

I think McCain is a moderate republican so my beef is more with Sarah Palin. McCain may have thought that selecting a woman would help his cause, but I notice that people who really like Clinton and felt that they could live with McCain do not like Sarah Palin.

I really think that Obama would run this country far Left. I am a moderate politically so I believe in equal opportunity and see the difference between equal opportunity and equal outcome. I support workers' rights, and how the employees are treated makes a difference in where I choose to shop. However, I am uneasy with Obama's desire to "redistribute" wealth. Sure there are people out there who have gotten their wealth riding the backs of other people, but I don't think that there is anything noble about poverty. There are plenty of low-income people who don't care how they survive as long as it doesn't require any effort on their part. I am uneasy that such people are expecting an absolute bounty from Obama. I suspect their attitude would be "We voted for you, where is our free money?"

There will always be people out there willing to cheat the system and get money for nothing. I have an example in my own family I'm sad to say.

The issue here is either we offer tax cuts to the wealthy so they can "pass it down" to the middle and lower class, or we can give tax breaks to the people who aren't cheating the system. The ones working 2 jobs to pay the basic bills and buy groceries.

So what does it really come down to? Greed! I believe most people will use whatever tax credits they get to help pay their bills or maybe even take a vacation. You might say they shouldn't take a vacation, but if they come to WDW, then WDW does better as a corporation and can produce more jobs, more hours for current CMs, and provide a better guest experience. The same applies to the retail outlets, the car industry, it all applies.

Now, if you give Bob Iger or even the Disney corporation some sort of tax cut, do you think they're going to pass that on to their workers by raising wages or providing better bennefits?? Of course not! They are gonna save that money and give bigger bonuses to their execs.

The best example of this is the game show deal or no deal. I have become absolutely fascinated with this show because it shows the greed people have so openly. If I handed you 60k dollars, you'd be happy right? I saw someone turn down 62k dollars because he MIGHT get 250k. 62k just wasn't enough! That is the kind of greed that exists in its worst form at the upper levels of society.

One last example is the music industry. So Itunes offers .99 cent songs. This benefits the consumer because we can choose only 1 or 2 songs rather than buying an entire album when we only like a couple songs on the album. It's easier on our pocketbooks and encourages legal downloads rather than illegal. YET there are music industry execs and artists complaining they had to..I don't know, sell their second pool because of reduced revenue.

We are not talking about taking the rich and making them poor. Is an extra 2 or 3k dollars off a 250k salary really going to make a person poor? I guess you'll just have to fly regular class this year. This is not a major redistribution of wealth, it is giving relief to the people who can only dream of first class or a pool. Some of them only dream of having a car. Some of them(like me) dream of being debt free and having a second shot on the financial side of life. Is it really such a bad thing that we give an extra 1k dollars to the people struggling to buy groceries?

edit: and all this aside, I will NEVER vote against my own rights no matter my taxes or income. A vote for McCain is a vote for 2nd class citizens unable to get the basic legal protections for the one they love because of the belief in a book written 2k years ago that seems to find itself in our laws all too frequently

[npmommie]

Nader

[SanFranciscan]

For the first time since I first registered to vote, I am considering not voting for a President. Voting on the propositions, yes, but not for any of the presidential candidates.

I have got beefs with McCain and Palin and their faults. I am not impressed with the media's love affair with Obama though as if he didn't have any faults. It is suspicious.

[jackskellingtonsgirl]

The thing I have been mulling over is this:

Say I am a corporation. McCain lowers my taxes. Why would I turn around and hire more people if I am able to accomplish my goals with my current payroll? What is the incentive to do that? I don't understand. :confused3 Lowering the tax liability of a corporation would absolutely boost their profits but I fail to see why any corporation would hire people they don't need.

It is the most literal interpretation of "creating" jobs. Would some business actually create some unnecessary position with the sole intent of hiring somebody who needs a job? That just seems completely ridiculous. It's not like companies would be required to swear that they will use their surplus to hire more workers. They can use that money to do whatever.

I also would never vote for someone who doesn't believe in equality for GLBT Americans, especially when that same person doesn't believe I should have the right to an abortion if *I* decide I need one. My chances of needing an abortion are probably slimmer than my chances of being hit by lightning, but that's not the point.

[Mackey Mouse]

I voted what I thought was the lesser of two evils.. sorry, but neither candidate wowed me and right after we voted we changed our party affiliation to independent.. Both parties are to blame for what is happening in our country right now... You might not agree, but living with someone who worked in the stock market for 36 years, I believe him when he tells me that it is not Wall Street that dropped the ball.......they did not do it all on their own. He feels that everyone had a hand in what is happening now.. including those who manipulate the market for their own gain. So... I alread voted, and I hope we all survive the next 4 years relatively safe, healthy and not in the poor house..

JMO...

[kingLouiethe1]

I am so upset this election I may just skip the presidential vote.

I am so mad at the democrats for not speaking up for our rights, and for taking this whole just stay at the back of the bus and we promise to let you up front when we win attitude. I can't believe the gays keep falling for it.

I don't expect the republican party to speak up for my equal rights, so I'm much less mad at them because they have met my relatively low expectations.

[mickeem]

OK, so those of you who are saying you are not voting, why waste your opinion????

The problem here is you have to opponents, and sides, and you really need to vote for the lesser of two evils... (As Mackey Mouse said earlier...)

If you don't, then the side that is "more evil", has that much more of a chance to win this...

Out of 8 people that responded to this question, 2 of you thought you may not vote.. When it comes to the entire country, that's a lot that may not vote...

I don't agree with much either has to say, but I will choose the lesser of 2 evils in this race.... :confused3

Eh, just my opinion..... :rolleyes:

[zulemara]

I am so upset this election I may just skip the presidential vote.

I am so mad at the democrats for not speaking up for our rights, and for taking this whole just stay at the back of the bus and we promise to let you up front when we win attitude. I can't believe the gays keep falling for it.

I don't expect the republican party to speak up for my equal rights, so I'm much less mad at them because they have met my relatively low expectations.
the dems passed the matthew shepard act, but bush vetoed it. They only have like a 1 person majority in congress and with Bush around to veto everything that even remotely resembles gay rights, how can you expect progress?

Remember you're voting for the president and congress here. If you have an issue with the dems gay rights record, then vote for more of them so they have more power! The WORST thing you can do is not vote and risk letting republicans gain ground(I speak only about gay rights here in which I believe there is NO argument that dems are more for our rights than the GOP)

Also remember perhaps the single most important issue in this election is that this next president will most likely nominate 1 if not 2 supreme court justices. When it comes to gay rights, there is a CLEAR choice here.

[hematite153]

I voted what I thought was the lesser of two evils..

I'm glad you voted, Mackey.

I always worry when people say they aren't voting because as minor as it seems, your vote is your power to effect change. The options may not be great, but, they won't change simply because one chooses to ignore the options.

[npmommie]

For those of you who don't want to vote for either the Dem or the Rep on the ticket why not one of the other choices?
there are other choices, even though they will not win, why not vote for someone who does stand for what you want and believe in in a President?
You don't HAVE to choose the "lesser of two evils", there are other choices.

[kingLouiethe1]

For those of you who don't want to vote for either the Dem or the Rep on the ticket why not one of the other choices?
there are other choices, even though they will not win, why not vote for someone who does stand for what you want and believe in in a President?
You don't HAVE to choose the "lesser of two evils", there are other choices.

When I say I am not voting, I mean I may not make a choice for president. there are too many important things on the ballot in California to not go to the polls.

Also I may consider a 3rd party candidate. I voted for Nader when he "lost" the election for Gore. I was so mad when people said he cost Gore all those votes.

As far as all the great things Democrats do for us, there are lots of equally great republican acts out there. Gay marriage is legal in California because of a republican majority supreme court. There are some really great republicans out there that think the government should stay out of people's lives, period. If the democratic party is going to court our vote, they need to stick up for marriage equality period, instead of throwing us anti-discrimination scraps.

[DVCajun]

The responses on this thread are interesting, particularly the "I'm not voting" responses.

As a lesbian, I feel that I *must* vote Democrat. I know the party has faults. And, to quote Ellen, "I like my politics like I like my .... men." ;) But when it comes to this election, the issue of most interest to me is gay rights. Yeah. It even tops the economy for me. I've obviously got an interest in the economy, but :confused3 my life and liberty are even more important than my pocketbook. I'm frankly frightened at the prospect of Republicans being in control of this country. The whole "values" thing gives me hives. I don't think most people have a clue what the word even *means,* let alone what it means for that to guide their vote. Last time I checked my values were a part of my heart and soul. Since when can a politician protect them??? :confused:

So, yeah. I voted Democrat. Because I wanted my vote to count for ME.

[npmommie]

I voted for Nader when he "lost" the election for Gore. I was so mad when people said he cost Gore all those votes.



Yep, I voted for him then too. people still say those things about voting for a 3rd party candidate.
It irks me to no end that they are not allowed into the debates. I think every person on the ballot should be seen and heard,not only the dems and repubs.
a lot of people don't even know there are any other choices at all, which is a frightening thing by itself, to be that unaware of the whole process.

[Timon-n-Pumbaa Fan]

the dems passed the matthew shepard act, but bush vetoed it. They only have like a 1 person majority in congress and with Bush around to veto everything that even remotely resembles gay rights, how can you expect progress?

Remember you're voting for the president and congress here. If you have an issue with the dems gay rights record, then vote for more of them so they have more power! The WORST thing you can do is not vote and risk letting republicans gain ground(I speak only about gay rights here in which I believe there is NO argument that dems are more for our rights than the GOP)

Also remember perhaps the single most important issue in this election is that this next president will most likely nominate 1 if not 2 supreme court justices. When it comes to gay rights, there is a CLEAR choice here.


ITA and the part that is in bold type is the Number 1 reason why I voted for Obama.

[DVCajun]

I voted for Nader when he "lost" the election for Gore. I was so mad when people said he cost Gore all those votes.


Are you made cuz they said it or cuz it was true? :confused3 Who would you have voted for had you not voted for Nader? Who won?

I'm sorry that the world isn't a perfect place, the political world in particular. But if there is a time to get in touch with reality, it's at the voting booth.

There *are* good Republicans out there. But as a whole? I've received their party mailings, and in BOLD PRINT is their initiative to "protect the sanctity of marriage." And they ain't talking about *your* marriage, pal.

[jackskellingtonsgirl]

In a state that is almost exclusively Republican I am not going to pretend my vote for Obama will matter in the end. BUT my vote for our incumbent sheriff (a Hispanic lesbian, as a matter of fact) might help her retain her position. My vote might oust some of the other Republican "good old boys" from state seats. And my vote for President shows that not every TX resident is a Republican. ;)

I was really hoping to be voting for Clinton, but that didn't work out. :rolleyes1

[SanFranciscan]

I own my vote. If I want to go into the polls and vote Charlie Brown for President, that is my right.

I am a believer in equal rights for gays so I will be voting against Prop 8. I think the churches who are teaching hatred for gays are the real abomination. I could never believe in a God who would punish someone for loving someone else and, for the record, I am married to a man.

However, I find the hate I have heard spewed from Obama's church equally abominable. Knowing that Obama spent 20 years worshiping among those whom evidently hate this country and then is now running against someone who spent two years in a tiger cage for this country just makes my blood run cold about Obama. Can a man who supposedly held so little sway in his own church unite this country? Yet I have reservations about McCain that have nothing to do with the fact that he is a republican. If the republican nominee had been Guliani (spelling?), I could quite easily pull the lever on his behalf.

Since abortion has already been brought up here, I will say that I am voting against Prop 4 because we all know what happens when women are denied legal abortion. As much as I wish the whole issue would go away, I want abortion to be safe whether or not it is legal. If an abortion underground makes things difficult for the respect-life-or-we'll- kill-you terrorists to continue with their violence, that is more important to me than having abortion be legal but impossible to obtain safely. On that note, I am tired of being held hostage to Roe vs. Wade while the republicans downright need the abortion issue anyway. Without abortion and gay marriage, what would they campaign on?

My grievance with McCain is indeed workers' concerns. Yet I have mixed feelings about the "labor movement" as I think labor organizations just don't have the same concern for their members as they do their membership. I have seen union "leaders" treat those whose interests they are paid to represent with contempt, making concession after concession and docking the workers' pay without ever once just admitting that they cannot help the workers, or won't, as long as they themselves are making their bucks.

I don't think that advocates for gays, women, labor, or anyone else can let any political party take these votes for granted. You own your vote. Make sure it is courted. That is when you will see real change. I have always thought that my vote was my voice. I am now wondering whether the power to withold that vote doesn't speak truth to power. I don't know. I consider myself a moderate politically, and I don't think far Left vs. far Right to be much of a choice.

[DVCajun]

Without abortion and gay marriage, what would they campaign on?


Wow. You are so right!!! Except there's also the "family values" ticket, but maybe that's losing momentum. :confused3 I don't know, tho -- I drove past a church this afternoon whose sign appealed the public to "pray about the election and vote for their values."

I wonder how they would feel if someone were trying to vote against *their* values? That's the problem with a government that supports one religious value system over another -- at any time YOU can become the minority.

[zulemara]

As far as all the great things Democrats do for us, there are lots of equally great republican acts out there. Gay marriage is legal in California because of a republican majority supreme court. There are some really great republicans out there that think the government should stay out of people's lives, period. If the democratic party is going to court our vote, they need to stick up for marriage equality period, instead of throwing us anti-discrimination scraps.

California is a very messed up state politically. At its core, the Republican party is against big government, yes. Unfortunately that just doesn't play out on a national scale. When was the last time the evangelical vote got a democrat into office? My point is although the core values of the GOP might actually be ok with us, they have gone far right and now want to make laws based on religion.

We have to realize it will take time for the Democrats to make the kind of changes to our rights that we need. We can start with repealing DODT, DOMA, and passing the Matthew Shepard act.

Obama is willing to give the same legal benefits of marriage. Yes, it is a second class citizen, but eventually people will see that gay marriage has NO effect on anyone else! As the numbers really start to pour in from MA, we can see there is no effect on health care, no strain on businesses, and the only people unhappy are the ones who are "offended" by the fact that XX miles away, two people of the same gender are able to "marry" each other.

When people see this, they will change. Of course the south won't change until they are forced to because that's how they are. That's exactly why we need legislation on a federal level for our rights. Hopefully the people in CA will see that the only change gay marriage has brought is a boom to their bottom dollar. if only the public valued the "bottom dollar" the way Disney does, they would quickly change their tune!:lmao:

So back to my original argument, although some GOP members might understand and represent their core principles, John McCain does not. He will cater to the religious zealouts the same way Bush did, and that is a vote against my rights and even worse, it's a vote for conservative supreme court justices who will serve for many many years. If the LGBT community wants to set back our fight, vote for John McCain.

[npmommie]

Are you made cuz they said it or cuz it was true? :confused3 Who would you have voted for had you not voted for Nader? Who won?



I can answer why it irked ME. Because I don't believe anyone has the right to tell anyone who they should or should not vote for. As another poster said, if I want to write in charlie brown I can do that!
By saying anyone voting for nader cost gore votes is unfair because I voted for nader because I wanted to, i did NOT want to vote for gore so i didn't.
i don't think all of these what ifs should go into anything, I think we all vote for the candidate that most matches what we want in a president.

It really doesn't matter in my state, because the Dem candidate will get the electoral votes.

[EWR2AUS]

I'm an infrequent poster, but this post interests me greatly. First off - full disclosure, I'm an Obama supporter and am in Florida now working on voter protection.

The great thing about this country is that everyone gets a vote - and I certainly appreciate that. However, I also happen to think that, once in every couple of generations, one political party does something so egregious that those who are the victims should generally be united against that party.

In 2004, the republican party (Karl Rove and his minions) won a presidential election, in large part, by spewing hate against our community. They sought ballot initiatives in key states to "outlaw" gay marriage and motivate the religious zealot middle class to vote against their own interests (really, how many of us need to worry about the estate tax) because they were told to be frightened by us. Let's be honest - when is the last time that a political party, in any western country, won an election by preaching hate against a group of its citizens.

That, my friends (have to get a McCain dig in here) was enough for me to never vote for another republican until they eschewed the evangelical christian base as being the primary leaders of the party. And I HAVE voted for republicans in the past (gasp).

So, for those of you upset that the democrats haven't done a better job of pro actively standing up for our rights, I ask you, would you prefer a republican party to be in power for 4 more years that:

1) Engineered an election by generating hate against us
2) STILL want to amend the US constitution to write discrimination into it
3) Are STILL pushing ballot initiatives in states to ban not only same sex marriage but also domestic partnerships
4) Support and run very negative Prop 8 campaign in California
5) Work to ban us from adopting children in their states
6) Etc...

And for those of you in California, you must realize that California republicans are not US republicans. In the rest of the country, republicans are still the republicans from the 1950s - older white people that literally hate us.

Also, for those of you upset by Obama's minister... here's a key difference you MUST recognize. Republicans want to merge their religious views and the government - this is what is driving their hate against us and other "non-believers". Democrats, including Obama, recognize that religious views should be respected for what they are, but do not have a role in governing the country.

That's it, that's my pitch.

Regardless, hope you all vote!

[bubie2.5]

This is one of the few chances I get to do something to protect my family's rights, so I voted for Obama. Just my two cents, but IF i had voted for McCain that would have been a vote against my family; and by not voting I would had basically given one to the Republican Party.

[I<3EvilQueen]

I am so upset this election I may just skip the presidential vote.



One should always vote, remember that the President has selection power for the Supreme Court, and the judges there have more sway over laws for many more years.

[SkyMedik]

I am so mad at the democrats for not speaking up for our rights, and for taking this whole just stay at the back of the bus and we promise to let you up front when we win attitude. I can't believe the gays keep falling for it.

I don't expect the republican party to speak up for my equal rights, so I'm much less mad at them because they have met my relatively low expectations.

Amen....well put........:thumbsup2 That's kind of how I feel. But like zulemara said, we have to give the Dems the power (ie: super-majority, which probably won't happen this time around). All said and done, I can't imagine myself voting for someone who openly opposes my rights....I'm not quite a one-issue voter, but probably close...

[OrlandoMike]

Well I just got back from voting! :thumbsup2

Drove past two polling places with lines out the door to get to my place....had me worried. But at my location...NO WAIT! :cool1:

I got down to the end of the ballot, and there was some guy for tax collector or something and his "middle" name was "Peanut"!

He got my vote!;)

[MonorailMan]

I voted just before 7 this morning and there was only a handful of people at the polling place (school), which concerned me a bit. I just got back from the store and when I passed the school again there was a line out the door. :scared1:

[jackskellingtonsgirl]

I voted last week. When I drove past our polling place this morning it was deserted. DS's school is also a polling place and other than a few cars parked in the carpool drive (where parking is NOT allowed) I didn't notice any crowds.

[I<3EvilQueen]

This was my second Presidental election where I tried to vote early but each time the lines were 3 to 4 hour waits. So I usually just wait to vote on Election day at my usual polling station.

I got in line this morning at 6:40 (as I was on my way to work). The line was from the front door of the church, to the back of the large parking lot and all the way down the block. WOW... So I thought oh well. I have my book and my Ipod, and I have ready visited the bathroom, I should be good to go.

When the church doors opened at 7, they were quick and well trained. The very old woman that runs it is a taskmaster :-) The long line was moving quick and I was done voting in just over an hour, and that was the longest I have ever waited to vote.

So that is why I don't vote early :-)

[Tony-NJ]

took us 25ish minutes this morning up the street. Tootsie checked us in :lmao:

[bubie2.5]

Good to see that my candidate is winning at least one poll here on the Dis. :cloud9:

[rpmdfw]

Good to see that my candidate is winning at least one poll here on the Dis. :cloud9:

I just wonder how many people had to sneak over here from the CB to get McCain up to 19 votes on the GLBT board. :rotfl2:

[bubie2.5]

I just wonder how many people had to sneak over here from the CB to get McCain up to 19 votes on the GLBT board. :rotfl2:

Hey, SOME of those McCain votes are legit!

[rpmdfw]

Hey, SOME of those McCain votes are legit!

I didn't say that NONE of them were from folks on the LGBT board, but it seems a bit high to me.

[bubie2.5]

I didn't say that NONE of them were from folks on the LGBT board, but it seems a bit high to me.
It does, maybe Mary Cheney is lurking here. :wave2:

[Saxton]

It does, maybe Mary Cheney is lurking here. :wave2:

Or Condoleza Rice ... she doesn't strike me as a Disney fan though.

[bubie2.5]

Or Condoleza Rice ... she doesn't strike me as a Disney fan though.

Condi? Really? Who knew. :lmao:

[rpmdfw]

Condi? Really? Who knew. :lmao:

Um . . . pretty much everybody. :rolleyes:



:rotfl2:

[bubie2.5]

Um . . . pretty much everybody. :rolleyes:



:rotfl2:

:rotfl2:

[jackskellingtonsgirl]

Condi? Really? Who knew. :lmao:

I suck at this game! :headache: I didn't know that.

[OrlandoMike]

I suck at this game! :headache: I didn't know that.

Are you kidding? :lmao:

My gaydar has been known to be on the fritz, but lets just say....I spotted her Home Depot frequent shopper card a mile away! :rotfl2:

Of course she owns that home in CA with another woman just for an investment! ;) (And thats a Palin wink for ya!)

[rpmdfw]

Of course she owns that home in CA with another woman just for an investment! ;) (And thats a Palin wink for ya!)

It's a good thing Palin "tolerates" her, doncha think?

[OrlandoMike]

It's a good thing Palin "tolerates" her, doncha think?

Oh I'd pay to see Palin in a room with Mary Cheney! :worship:

[bubie2.5]

Are you kidding? Of course she owns that home in CA with another woman just for an investment! ;) (And thats a Palin wink for ya!)

Maybe they're just like Ruth and Naomi (Ruth 1:16-17).

[OrlandoMike]

Have you ever looked at the way Cindi McCain looks at Palin, it's quite funny.

I can only imagine their first meeting, as Cindi grabs Sara's wedding band and says "Oh sweetie, isn't that cute!" :lmao:

[bubie2.5]

Have you ever looked at the way Cindi McCain looks at Palin, it's quite funny.

I can only imagine their first meeting, as Cindi grabs Sara's wedding band and says "Oh sweetie, isn't that cute!" :lmao:

Cindy freaks me out, but Sarah is HOT!

[Saxton]

Cindy freaks me out, but Sarah is HOT!

As long as she doesn't talk! :rotfl2:

[bubie2.5]

As long as she doesn't talk! :rotfl2:

Specially with Sarkozy.

[TuckandStuiesMom]

As long as she doesn't talk! :rotfl2:

I've known cute guys who up and ruin EVERYTHING with the first words outa their mouths -- I'm thinkin' it's the same thing with Mrs. Palin... Oh and there was actually a line at the place where I voted this am. First time I have ever seen a line.

[SanFranciscan]

I just wonder how many people had to sneak over here from the CB to get McCain up to 19 votes on the GLBT board. :rotfl2:

Are you not familiar with Log Cabin Republicans? I suspect gay and republican just means that that gay republican has a lot of money though.

Obama and McCain are both promising change. How many of us are like that man who blinks a lot on Saturday Night Live and states all of the things that he thinks need to be fixed and that when he wakes up in the morning they had better be fixed? Neither McCain nor Obama have a magic wand, and that is why we needed Tinkerbell on the ballot. That is right. Tinkerbell for President so that when we wake up the morning after she has been sworn in everything can be fixed.

[SkyMedik]

The following areas are now dead to me due to their anti-gay stance:
(1) The State of Arkansas (2) The State of Florida, excepting WDW.

Jury's still out in California...only 20% of ballots counted so far on Prop 8....but Yes is winning 55 to 45% at this second :sad2: :sad2:

[TuckandStuiesMom]

The following areas are now dead to me due to their anti-gay stance:
(1) Arkansas (2) The State of Florida, excepting WDW.

Jury's still out in California...only 20% of ballots counted on Prop 8....but so far Yes is winning 55 to 45% :sad2: :sad2: :sad2:

Looks bad here in AZ too. Even so -- I am confident that in time, this too shall pass.

[SkyMedik]

Switching to the election thread, but yeah I just saw that :( *signs AZ death-to-me certificate*

[bubie2.5]

I just had an intense night, first there were tears of joy, elation, celebration; an African American had become President! for a secont I was hopeful... it did not last long.

It took AA people a hundred years to come to this moment in our country, finally they're equals... I hope to see the same for us, but I can't wait a hundred years.

[MonorailMan]

I'm going to use Ohio as an example here, since I live there and because I know there are several other states out there with similar situations. (If I offend anyone, I apologize. That's not my intention.)

In the heavily populated counties of Ohio (there are really only 5 or 6 of them) the majority of the votes went to blue. However........Ohio consists of tons of counties which voted red. The red counties are areas where liberal views just scare people. I've been to several of these counties, and most of them have no sense of culture, modern technology or even a decent source of education. We're talkin' cow folk here, people......where one's nearest neighbor can literally be about 7 miles down the road. My ex grew up in one of these counties, and the word "gay" was considered almost an obscenity. It's just something they don't discuss. As I'm sure we all know, lack of discussion tends to lead to an overwhelming lack of knowledge. I know it's a somewhat similar situation in places like Texas, for example, where there's either an abundance of upper-middle and upper class, or just people who choose to live a life on the prarie where old values tend to be set in stone.

Luckily all these red counties in Ohio don't have as many people as the few counties who voted blue. Sorry, that's just my opinion.