BCV Prices

[lumiereguy]

Since the WLV are selling fast, what does everyone feel the BCV price per point will start at?

[Richyams]

$85 pp...it should probably even be higher. It should be high enough so that they don't have to make the point schedule even higher then VWL.

That would make too much sense and basically they would never sell another VB point again.

I am sorry for bringing VB into it again, but I really believe that VB's existance is going to have a very serious effect on the pricing. I believe it did on VWL, I think it will be even more dramatic on BCV.

"From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs", Karl Marx, pretty sick, huh?

[lumiereguy]

Richyams, do you feel that the point schedule will go higher when BCV arrives?

[dvcdudes]

I think by the time BCV opens the price per point will be higher than it is now but I would think somewhere around the high $70 range. $85 seems kind of high but DVC is very popular and you never know. Rich, Just curious as to what you mean by <BLOCKQUOTE><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> VB's existance is going to have a very serious effect on the pricing. [/quote]
I don't understand this. I get everything else you say about VB but this one has me puzzled.

DVCDUDES
Owner BWV Feb 2000

[Dean]

I am certain that the BCV point schedule will be higher than BW preferred and WLV, how much remains to be seen. I think you'll see a combination of price increases and increased points. My guess is that BCV will be about 10-15% higher points and that the price will be around $75-80 pp depending on WLV sales. I feel they will purposefully work the numbers so that BCV will be higher points.

Dean

[kem330]

I concur with Rich's point that they won't be able to raise the $cost too much or it will price out Vero and Hilton Head. Also it will have less use time. I believe the points will be high for several reasons: newest property, choice location (close to action like BWV but a lot quieter), and smaller quantity of rooms. As a BC lover, I have high hopes for this property, but at the same time worry about point costs and how well they will landscape it- considering it is on the former tennis court, valet parking lot with virtually no views and limited space. Time will tell...

P.S. If you read previous posts most people think it will cost around $75-80/point

[Richyams]

In my worthless, stupid opinion( how was that DOC?), VB still has lots of points to sell. People weren't buying VB points in the $60s. They used the cost of construction to justify the point schedule at VWL....in reality they should have raised the price per point and had the point schedule between that of OKW and BWV, really, it should have been about the same as OKW...see my "value of a point spent" argument.

They couldn't do the proper thing and raise the upfront cost and put the schedule where it should have been. All the VB points that they have to sell kept them from doing that....then some will say "they could have just made a better MB program just for VB"...well they did that, and it would have had to be even more wild if the opeining proce for VWL was $77 per point as it should have been.

Now we get to BCV....even higher construction costs. Not only that, but now they have the "BCV is a more upscale resort" excuse. They need more for it, they can get more for it. To keep the value of a point spent at the resort constant, the point schedule would have to be the same as BWV or very slightly higher. In order to do that, they will need the price per point to be in the mid $80's.

VB points still being available will not allow them to do that. The can't start selling VB points at $85, they couldn't sell them at $65, why is anybody going to pay $85 for them?

So, I think that my $85 is higher then it will be, but the point schedule is going to be so much higher that it is going to make the eleven month window at OKW and BWV more important then it ever was.

Of course not everyone will stop buying VB, not everyone will shy away from spending the points at BCV when they can get the same sized unit in the same location as BWV for much less points, not everyone is going to stay at OKW with its much larger units and only have to spend a fraction of the points......but I think most will.

I think the eleven month window is going to be VERY important. I think that owners who bought at HH and VB planning to stay at WDW had better get used to staying at HH and VB.

Of course, these are only my uninformed, delerious, dopey and worthless opinions. I really have no idea what I am talking about and my opinions aren't even worth dirt.

How was that for a disclaimer????

"From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs", Karl Marx, pretty sick, huh?

[kem330]

Rich, your opinions certainly are not dopey! Jeez what would we do without you? You add a little spark to the conversation! However, I was surprised you aren't glued to the tv like my DH watching W and all the analysis of his speech?

[waltfan]

Makes sense to me!

[Sam60]

Here is more worthless speculation.

Talking to DVC employees, I came away with the distinct impression that "Pool Priviliges" at other Disney hotels are in danger of being canceled. Stormalong Bay in particular seemed on the endangered pool list because of the large number of DVC guests (BW guests in particular) using it. The feeling was that guests of BC and YC were being crowded out from their own pool.

Suppose after BCV is completed, they decide to limit access to Stormalong Bay to guests of the BC, YC, and BCV. It could be used to justify a higher point cost/room, as several people have suggested might happain.

Just a thought.

[Caskbill]

Rich....

What an attitude change. Doc must have really given you a stern talk. Anyway, you're right on with this one. Disney is going to be caught between a rock and a hard place when BCV's go on line. They can only push the MB stuff at VB so far and if BCV's go on sale for what they would need to be dollar wise, then VB sales would absolutely drop dead. Their only chance is to sell out VB in the next year and a half, but this isn't going to happen without some BIG incentives right now, and I don't see that happening.

We can all second guess, but won't really know for some time. When it's announced, there'll be a lot of I told you so's, or a lot of Who would have thought they'd do that. (We could probably make a list a mile long at this point).

If WLV sells out in a year, they will have some time with no WDW resorts available, and may try to entice new buyers into VB being the only resort available. (Or HH). That could be a problem.

Like Rich, let me just say this is all just IMHO.

Caskbill

[eva]

I think that Rich is right. DVC is going to have a lot of troubles when BCV comes up for sell. I can't believe that they could raise the points that much over BWV even with Stormalong Bay, but I bet they will. And that 11 month window will become very important by then. I guess that Vero and HH owners will likely be spending a lot of time at their home resorts or at the BCV where the points are likely going to be much higher.

[ocdb8r]

Do you think there is any chance they will keep the point schedule equal to that of BWV for the simple fact the RTU is only 40 years? Not that Disney has any fairness in mind, but paying over $80/pt., only 40 years RTU and having a higher point schedule really makes BCV an unattractive resort. Unfortunately the market will probably bear it....meaning it's not that likely.

I'd also be interested to hear if DVC has considered extending the RTU on BCV......if they keep building resorts they're going to have to do something like that eventually? Right?

[pharmlivin]

Maybe instead of raising the price per point for BCV they might institute much higher yearly dues ($5,$6,$7,per point for the "upscale property".) I don't want to give them ideas but I can see that happening. That might be away around the Vero/BCV price problem. Although things seem to be selling like hotcakes...who knows what this economy might bring.

[Richyams]

No, increased dues does nothing to solve the problem.

We are talking about getting a certain price for selling the resort. They can either have more points in a year, therefore more points per night, or raise the price per point.

I expect a combination.

Dues have nothing to do with the money DVC makes off the property. Dues are simply the cost of running the resort. DVC or Disney makes no profit on dues.

"From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs", Karl Marx, pretty sick, huh?

[Lisa F]

does it have to cost the same per point to buy into all of the DVC resorts? Why can't they just sell Vero at a more reasonable price per point and price new WDW resorts coming on line at prices appropriate to their construction costs?

Lisa

"You employ stone, wood, and concrete, and with these materials you build house and palaces. That is construction. Ingenuity is at work. But suddenly, you touch my heart, you do me good. I am happy and I say 'This is beautiful.' That is architecture. Art enters in."
-Le Corbusier

[Richyams]

Because then people will just buy VB points to use at WDW. Why would anyone spend $85 pp on BCV when VB is selling for $67?

Even though to most of us, its obviously going to be much wiser to buy on property for the higher cost, DVC sales staff will have a field day selling VB points, BCV won't sell at all.

"From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs", Karl Marx, pretty sick, huh?

[dianeschlicht]

Why would increased dues not be an option? I would think that would be a good way to raise revenue.

Disneydiane http://members.aol.com/_ht_a/vltdisney/mickey36.gif

[Richyams]

I just said:

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> No, increased dues does nothing to solve the problem.
We are talking about getting a certain price for selling the resort. They can either have more points in a year, therefore more points per night, or raise the price per point.

I expect a combination.

Dues have nothing to do with the money DVC makes off the property. Dues are simply the cost of running the resort. DVC or Disney makes no profit on dues.

[/quote]

Dues have nothing to do with raising revenue for the DVC or Disney. Dues pay to run the resort. Income from sold points is the only place they can get profit.

The only way to increase that money is to raise the number of points or raise the price per point.

I expect a combination.

"From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs", Karl Marx, pretty sick, huh?

[PamOKW]

Why should the price per point or the amount of points per night be a concern to anyone not purchasing at the resort? It is very clear that each and every resort built by DVD does not even necessarily have to be become part of the DVC. As a business, DVC has no obligation to make their new resort affordable to everyone or to past customers. They can charge what they feel the market will bear. Vero sales seem to have picked up dramatically with the MB offering. Possibly they've reached a point where Disney isn't that concerned about additional sales there but will use the rental component until it finally does sell-out. I think the greater concern is for them to keep the buy-in number around $10,000 for the time being. That seems to work for getting the majority of people interested. As soon as you hit $74 per point you hit $11,000+. By the time BCV opens there may not be many direct from Disney options available and maybe they'll either reduce the number of points needed or go ahead and market this resort as more upscale and therefore worth more than $10,000 to buy-in. At $80 per point it would start at $12,000. If they make the minimum 125 points they'll still be at the $10,000 buy-in. They may not feel the need to do this though since the resort will be small and they have had unexpected success with WLV. $80-$85 per point and staying at 150 points may be very likely.

As long as we're guessing about things...maybe they are downplaying BCV because they aren't sure what will happen. Maybe it will become the first in a new series of DVC-type resorts rather than just a new DVC. We've heard talk of another OKW-like resort at one of the golf courses. Maybe they'll be a second group of DVC's. BCV-Golf Course-AKL with OKW-BWV-WL being the original group. This is just a wild guess on my part.

[This message was edited by PamOKW on 03-02-01 at 08:13 AM.]

[kewlteacher]

why should I, as a VB owner, be less entitled to stay anywhere I want? So what that I bought there and paid less per points?? My points are the same as you and everyone else and yes, I have to wait until 7 months to make a ressie somewhere at WDW, but so does everyone who doesn't own at a particular place. Your comments make us VB/HH people feel like our points are not worthy. We do go to VB and also stay at the WDW resorts and yes, we must be flexible in our travel plans but that doesn't make us any diiferent from people owning at WVL or anywhere else. Just because the MB promotion at VB made us able to buy DVC doesn't make us "lowly" DVCers..

Melissa & Brian
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[This message was edited by kewlteacher on 03-02-01 at 10:50 AM.]

[Richyams]

I don't have any problem at all with people buying VB points to use mostly at WDW DVC resorts. I would hope that they are aware of the limitations of such a purchase.

I have a problem with DVC sales lying to people and telling them that buying at VB is actually wiser then buying at a WDW DVC resort because they can save money upfront and will have no problem getting any reservation they want.

If DVC sales told people that VB can get them in for less money, but they are going to have to be flexible with their reservations and its possible they will be locked out of certain units or certain times of year, I would have no problem with that.

DVC sales lies and commits fraud when they tell people that staying at WDW DVC resorts on VB points using the seven month window is never a problem.

I believe that in the future, the eleven month window is going to become more and more important. I think the BCV point schedule and the VWL point schedule is going to make stays at BWV and OKW harder and harder to get at the seven month window.

I believe the price per point is a difficult thing for DVC because there are still so many VB points for sale.

I hope PamOKW is right and VB sales are going well, this may allow a more reasonable point schedule at BCV and that would help the problems I am afraid of.

"From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs", Karl Marx, pretty sick, huh?

[kewlteacher]

You said this last reply in a much better way (thank you)...and I do understand your point. I think there are several (ours included) that "led" us to believe we could buy VB and stay anywhere in WDW. But, the MB made it worthwhile and we want to stay at VB each year in addition to WDW. People keep forgetting that this is indeed a business that has a bottom line. They need to do what it takes to make it 1) easy to entice new buyers and 2) make money and while we all would love to believe that Mickey and Minnie are sitting around the board room making heartfelt decisions, it isn't happening. We bought Vero b/c it made money sense. Did we fully recognize the significance of the 7 mo? Probably not. But we are flexible, can never stay in Nov. and Dec. (teacher) and look forward to addding points later in our lives. We should all understand that not one resort is any better than another and ultimately, it comes down to personal reasons.

Melissa & Brianhttp://www.peyros.com/kewlteacher/snow.gif

[kem330]

Re comments of how Disney will price BCV. I think it's a valid and important point that Disney keep the membership point cost at a level playing field. That is DVC itself cannot be at an elitist level. If they overprice points, that will only hurt DVD and help the resale market. The only way to differentiate levels of individual resorts is to charge more points to stay there, that way members have the option of how and where to use their points just as resort guests do. However, this is not as objective a choice.While resort rates directly correlate to quality,It appears many feel OKW has a better value without sacficing quality. So then you could quantify by location and easy access. Of course, then why are VWL the same as BWV? Disney does not appear to follow any logical pattern re DVC. Yes, they are faced with increased building costs that must be recouped someplace but unless they make BCV a whole lot nicer than BW et al it will be hard to justify a higher point usuage cost.(resulting, as Rich stated, in very difficult ability to book in any of the other more reasonable resorts) And they can't price the other available resorts out of the market. Seems like they're between a rock and a hard place. Of course Disney's idea may be that people buying into BCV don't care and are buying strictly to be there, which will in itself create another tier of DVC.

[DVCHHTN]

I am not sure I follow the arguments about why BC should not have higher points per night. Since unlike most Timeshares, Disney allows for no charge trades between resorts they lose the ability to actually charge more money per use night for properties that have higher cost/value like BWV or BC.
By raising the price per point, they are in effect making new members pay the increasing cost of new construction while the existing members with much lower point costs get the advantage of staying at new properties for less.
While I understand the 7mo. window and all, it is still a deal for those of us with less expensive points.
If Disney simply charged more points per use night at the new resorts I believe a fair result would occur.
1. A new buyer would buy more points, paying more money in effect per use night, to be able to get a reasonable stay.
2. Old members would, by using more points, be paying more for the new/better resort making for a fairer sharing of the cost.
This would also help the great VB debate. They could simply reduce point cost per use night, allowing you to buy in cheaper but not have enough points to get an extended stay at a higher cost (WDW) resort.

[mattsdad]

VB owners don't worry. be flexible and you won't have problems with the 7 month window at WDW resorts

[kem330]

Good points DVCHHN
Conclusions:
The more I think about it the more confused I get!
But these seem to be true:
1. DVC points will go higher
2. BCV points will most likely be higher than other DVC resorts
I guess you could say earlier members will have an advantage because their points cost them less- but won't they want to get the best value/point?
It seems that VB will have to have some pretty attractive incentives attached if DVC points go up a lot. BCV buyers will either buy there and not care about cost, or after becoming members, decide they can get a whole lot more for their points at the other resorts. This is speculation of course and there are alot of ways to look at it. But I believe Rich is right the 11 month window is more important than ever (for those of us who are set on where and when we want to visit)

[WebmasterDoc]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Why would anyone spend $85 pp on BCV when VB is selling for $67? [/quote]

Not sure I follow the logic here..... Why would anyone spend $72 pp on VWL when VB is selling for $59?????

DVC will have no problem "pricing" VB wherever they feel it will sell- just by manipulating the MB program. They could even have MB available only for VB and not at VWL or BCV.
As for the effect on the importance of the 11 month priority, I think the importance will continue to be dependent on those who can/will travel to WDW (or HH or VB) ONLY at a specific time each year. For anyone else who can be more flexible, the 7 month window will continue to work well- just as it does right now.

It also seems reasonable to remember that not every DVC Vacation Guide even tells people that home resort has no importance. ( I even suspect these are a small minority.) Yet some here continue to paint the entire program with the same brush- over and over and over and over.....

[Dean]

You are less entitled to stay at any other resort for the same reason that I am less entitled to stay anywhere except OKW; because you don't own at the other resorts. Members tend to forget that they own a specific resort(s) and are included in the "CLUB" by the grace of Disney with no guarantee that this will continue. This is an important point. I realize that DVC has tried to make this as seemless as possible for a number of reasons with the top reason being sales, but the fact remains that the owners at any resort are the first priority, as they should be. DVC has no obligation with the newer resort to include it in DVC or to keep the points level to be fair. Although I previously suspected they would change the home priority window to a shorter differential, I no longer believe that to be likely. While I don't expect the club to go away, I do believe that the all for one and one for all concept is dwindling.

While I think DVC will keep the minimum at 150, I don't see how they could go any lower, I do expect the per point price to go up on a steady basis. How fast and how high will depend on WLV sales as well as to a certain extent VB and possibly HH sales.

Dean

[kem330]

Doc if you look at my post i did qualify that 11 mos is imortant to those of us who care when and where they want to visit. I just believe as a new member myself, that people need to understand this point clearly. Absolutely, the system works at 7 mos IF you are flexible on dates and location. And you are right at least where my guide was concerned, she was very forthright about the ability to make ressies.I also mentionned that they will probably have incentives at VB to counter the increased price at BCV. I am only coming from the perspective at this point in my life,as others may be, of needing to vacation at peak times due to kids and spouses vacations times and also having a specific desire to stay only at BWV (my family refuses to stay anywhere else)Of course this may someday change. Rich may be a bit of a doomsayer, but hey this is all speculation anyway- no one has a crystal ball. ;)

[dvcdudes]

It says BCV prices will be $78pp with a 150 point minimum. They will have MB (just 1/2 point total). Point schedule will be SLIGHTLY more than VWL. BCV will sell out in L/T 6 months.

OK so these are only my opinions. Let me explain. They just raised prices quite a bit before VWL opened and I think they will remain stable until right before BCV opens. Then they will raise them 2 or 3 dollars at a time 2 or 3 times. This will bring the price to $78-80pp. I think they wil keep MB because I thik DVC makes money off this by renting out points at rack rate. I think VB & HH will be near sold out so it will be a non issue (VWL will be gone). I can't imagine the point schedule being that far out of line with VWL and BWV. If points are at a ridiculous differential then this will create a major problem. If what I say comes true, these points will be in great demand as add ons as well as new memberships. I didn't think VWL would do so well but the sales seem to be brisk. I think DVC will continue the trend of small DVC areas added on to popular WDW resorts and I hope the next one is at the Poly.
JMHO
Just one more thing on price... The years of membership are going down so eventually (if they keep adding locations) they will have to stop increasing price or make a new expiration date for new resorts. Like someone said (DVC II), I just hope we have access to these resorts.

DVCDUDES
Owner BWV Feb 2000

[PamOKW]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Members tend to forget that they own a specific resort(s) and are included in the "CLUB" by the grace of Disney with no guarantee that this will continue. [/quote]

Unlike the World of Resorts, once a resort is made part of the DVC it will not be taken away unless something drastic were to occur (damage so severe it can't be rebuilt). The home resort advantage is only guaranteed to be at least one month.

[Dean]

Pam, I realize that the Club is unlikely to go away but there is no guarantee that any one resort and therefore it's members will continue in the club. The real point was that one does not buy into the club, they buy a specific resort and that is all they are guaranteed.

Dean

[kem330]

DVC Dudes: I LIKE your crystal Ball! ;) Seems very logical to me

[Gail Reale]

PamOKW, you mentioned in an earlier post something about a "DVC-like resort" being built elsewhere on property. Along that line, we were just in Naples and rumor there has it that Disney has bought a huge amount of land and is clearing it for a resort (non-theme park) in Estero, Fla. The person who told us this is actually in the construction trade (owns own business). Anyone else hear anything like this? <IMG SRC="/infopop/emoticons/icon_confused.gif" alt="confused">

[Ivy]

First I want to say that my family is NOT wealthy or foolish with our finaces. AND, if there are any DVC sales reps lurking about, I forbid you from reading the rest of this post.

That said, The bottom line is that when BCV goes on sell, my husband and I will be on the first plane to Orlando to close the deal, no matter the point price.

Why is this?

We love WDW and we go there annually. We're both cops and need this vacation experiance to balance our daily lives. I don't have to do some of the extensive math I've seen prepared in defense of the DVC cost. We spent over $10,000 this year on WDW trips. It is our best value.

Why not WLV?

We live in a mountain community. We're log and antlered out. I understand the importance the 11 month home resort booking will have in the future.

Why not resale?

We're not thrilled about the transportation options at OKW. We might consider BWV, but we like the quiet BC area. Don't bring up buying one and staying at another, as stated above, I think in the future it will be difficult to get reservations outside of your home resort.

What does this come down to?

We want BCV because of

1. Location
2. Themeing
3. Transportation-walk to EPCOT and other resorts.
4. Overall vacation value

My point is this. I'm sure they will raise the point cost over $80 and change the point scale. Because they know that there are people like me out there waiting to buy.

Scary I know.

Ivy

[kem330]

Not scary, just reality! Disney is no dummy and I'm sure is well aware that all the BC fans will be lining up outside the door as soon as it goes for sale. Even at higher prices, it's still cheaper than booking hotel rooms there. Absolutley no offense intended to anyone but we didn't even consider looking at DVC till we saw the BCV under construction. We got ants in our pants and bought BWV resale just to try out DVC but know we'll buy BCV also when available. (and I'm sure we will find a time when we will love all the other resorts after we have a chance to try them) Can I ask another question? Are there any DVC members who don't like OKW? I've never heard any negatives, other than transportation issues.

[PamOKW]

Gail that's the first I've heard. If true, it would indicate that there might be hope for offsite options! I think what would really have put Vero and HHI on the fast track would have been including an on-site golf course. Maybe that's the plan for Naples.

[PamOKW]

Ivy I think there are lots of folks like you. They want a DVC at "X" resort and the price/point difference isn't going to be the major concern. The value they receive versus staying in that same or similar hotel room at that resort is the more important factor.

FYI -- From the beginning DVC has been a popular option for law enforcement folk to recharge.

[Dean]

I don't recall any DVC members stating they didn't like OKW but have heard from a couple of exchangers that were less than impressed. It seems that DVC charging the $95 exchange fee and the member only benefits are a big negative to some. Many on this board have stated they like BW (or whatever resort) better, but that's not to say they truly didn't like OKW. Obviously the transportation is an issue but to a certain extent it is for any WDW resort.

Dean

[Dumbo]

Rich wrote:

>>>I believe that in the future, the eleven month window is going to become more and more important.<<<
-------------------------------------------------

Rich,

I agree. You are right on the mark with this one. My compliments to you.

Let me use Boardwalk Villas as an example for my arguement. Presently Boardwalk Villas seems to be the hardest DVC resort to book at the 7 month window. Who is trying to book BWV at the 7 month window? Presently those DVC owners at OKW, HH, VB, and the remaining BWV owners who have yet to book at the 11 month window. So right now there is sort of a fixed number of possible owners trying to book BWV at the 7 month window. What is gonna happen when the Villas at Wilderness Lodge sells out. Now how many people are gonna try and book BWV at the 7 month window. The available number just went up. What happens when Beach Club Villas sells out. Now how many people are trying to book BWV. Everytime DVC opens another DVC resort, no matter where it is located, it adds more competition to anyone trying to book a particular DVC resort at the 7 month window. Wait till WLV and BCV sells out and eveyone on this board tells them how great Hilton Head is in the summer. Can you imagine how many people are gonna try and book Hilton Head in the summer?

Rich, again I congratulate you. It's a matter of simple math. Why are some people having a hard time understanding that?

Dumbo

[This message was edited by Dumbo on 03-03-01 at 09:28 PM.]

[PamOKW]

It's a matter of simple math if everyone is trying to stay at BWV. That isn't the case. Each new resort not only adds more members but also adds more rooms. The majority of DVC members are interested in WDW and have chosen a home resort. So far, the system of being able to interchange resorts is working. More WDW members, more rooms. I was concerned when BWV first opened that there would be increased demand at OKW. So far, there hasn't been a noticeable increase in difficulty of obtaining a reservation.

I agree that there may be difficulty at Vero and HHI since these two resorts are not "growing" but the pool of potential DVC members wanting to book there is. HHI has the added problem of more limited "choice" times to visit.

[LauraS]

I read one post about the BCV being more quiet than the BWV. Well, personally, I certainly wouldn't spend the extra $10 per point to buy at BCV for the quiet surroundings. Remember where BCV is going to be located. It's right on the pathway between Epcot and the Swan/Dolphin/BWV/BWI/Y&B. Everyone going to one of those resorts will pass the BCV while Epcot is open and up until an hour or so after. I think that there would be quite a bit of traffic in that area for the majority of the day up until 10pm at night. For all the talk of how loud it is at BWV, even with a BW view, I just don't find it any louder than the nights we spent with a Stormalong Bay View. If I was a potential new DVC buyer I would certainly look at a BWV resale before a BCV sale through Disney....especially if the points per night stay is higher!! You'll save tons of money, pay less in dues and most likely get more nights for your points. There's almost zero advantage.

Laura

[WebmasterDoc]

Just for clarification, the BCV- currently under construction- is on the opposite side of the BC from Stormalong Bay and the walkway. It appears that it won't even be connected to BC- except by a covered walkway- similar to the WL/VWL configuration.
BCV will not be on any common walkway to other resorts or Epcot.
It certainly remains to be seen what the cost per point will be and also what the nightly charges will be for BCV. Speculation is certainly interesting, but time will tell.

Doc
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[dvcdudes]

As I stated earlier, I think the 11 month window will be a major problem if BCV has a ridiculously higher point schedule. The resort this will most greatly effect is BWV. If you have the choice of staying in the same general area but using say 20 points per night or using 32 points per night, where would you stay? This is why it is already hard to get a standard view BWV room if not at the 11 months. I really can't see the points for BCV being any more than VWL. I would much rather see a higher buyin price and the same points as VWL. This would make BCV, VWL, & BWV equal and therefore give people the opportunity to book at the 7 month window at any of these resorts. I'm looking at this through rose colored glasses. DVC will probably mess it up and raise the points for BCV and whenever someone from OKW, VWL, VB, or HH wants to stay in the EPCOT area, they will undoubtedly look to stay at BWV making it impossible to book anything at BWV LT 7 months. I could be entirely off base with this. OKW'ers who could stay at there home resort for far fewer points, still elect to spend the higher points at BWV and I know after taking a drive through OKW, I will be looking to stay there in the future because of how nice it is and the point savings will be just a bonus to me. Perhaps as more options become available to us, we will all switch from time to time and this will make all things equal in the end... There go those rose colored glasses again. ;)

DVCDUDES
Owner BWV Feb 2000

[Dean]

dvcdudes, I think you're right in your thinking. I suspect you were using the points amounts for comparison to make a point because not even I think the difference will be that much, LOL. I do suspect that BW will be most affected by BCV regardless of the point differential. OKW will likely be OK because it's older, you really need a car, many more rooms and farther away from the action. WL will likely be the second most affected resort, especially if it's sold out when BCV is early in sales.

The one thing I somewhat disagree on, and directly related to a point I've tried to make, is that DVC does not owe members at other resorts anything when it comes to building a new resort. Now I suspect they will take previous members usage into account, both from a positive and negative standpoint. Lets assume I were an executive in charge of setting up the points and cost per points for the new and selling resorts, must be a scary thought for some of you. My first action would be to hire Rich, sorry, couldn't resist. Seriously, I'd slowly but steadily raise the cost per point over time. How much and how rapidly would depend on how fast things were selling compared to goal and projected. As for points at a new resort, I'd try to have them minimally to moderately higher than a similar resort that was a few years older. I could also keep the cost per points lower and have a still higher points total at the newer resort depending on my estimation of how it would sell related to other resorts still selling (ex. VB and HH).

Dean

[IslandHap]

I'm buying at least 300 points at BCV as soon as they go on sale. :D

Just got back from Disney Land. California Adventure is great!!! ;)

[dianeschlicht]

After re-reading this thread, I think Dean is closest to the correct scenario. I think they will assume that BCV is an upscale property and will have an imediate following because of the popularity of YC and BC. I think that idea has merit by all the talk we hear on this board about people "waiting for" BCV. I don't think there is any doubt that the point cost will see a substancial increase and that the points will be higher than anywhere else. I also think they would need to have a lower per point cost at VB to keep from killing sales there.

Isn't all this speculation fun! :D

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