Ever "forge" spouse's name on DVC documents?

[Simba's Mom]

I did this with DH's knowledge and agreement. Our paperwork came today for a 25 point add-on at VWL, after we've waited not so patiently for 2 weeks. But wouldn't you know DH is out of the country on a business trip. So when he called home tonight, he said to just forge his signature and send everything back, rather than wait for him. Fortunately, we paid cash and so don't need any Notarization. Should be OK, but I feel a little funny. But I'm so anxious to get this in-please tell me it's OK to do! If it matters, even the extra dues are coming out of my own bank account.

[Sunseeker]

I wouldn't worry about it if he approved of it. I sign my husband's name on the back of checks all the time. I am getting pretty good at it!

[drusba]

Forgery is the signing of a person's name without that person's knowledge and permission. If someone gives you permission to sign it is considered legally to be a valid and authorized signature of the person who gives permission. Many a legal documents have withstood challenges of invalidity when a person has signed for another with the other's permission.

[DVCDAVE]

Interesting DRUSBA, I didn't know that.

[DisneyCrazy]

I just had to post this: My sister has been signing her husband's name on his paycheck for 20+ years now - she always says that if he tried to cash his own check they would arrest him!

I think it's just one of those things married couples do...

[JudithM]

Do you by chance have a power of attorney for your husband while he is out of the country? A power of attorney comes in handy for issues such as this one. If you feel uncomfortable signing your husband's name, then call DVC & explain the situation. Maybe they will give you an extension for returning the documents.

[HeatherPage]

I did this with our documents (with his knowledge and insistence) since DVC was MY thing, he didn't want to be bothered with it. I can sign his name where he can't tell the difference.

[doubletrouble_vb]

I have actually signed a friends name for credit card charges at a hotel with her permission & the hotel being fully aware that this was the case. This goes back to the definition of forgery.

I would say sign your husbands name & send in the papers. Have him fax you a letter granting you permission to do it & keep it with your copies of the DVC material.

The power of attorney thing is a good idea in general too but if this would cost you the incentive then I wouldn't wait for it.

[AnnaS]

Do you try to match his signature? or just sign his name with your handwriting? I always sign my DH's check. I also always write for deposit only and then withdraw of course - I don't try to match it - it would take a lot of practicing.

[Gigashadow]

Call the WDWPD! LOL, has no one any shame? Now remember to tell your kids its dishonest to cheat/lie after they might read this public admittance one day ! hehe

;)

[sparkysfriends]

I actually did forge my husband's signature, by any definition. I purchased a 300 point OKW resale as a father's day/anniversary gift in 2000. I wanted his nameas well asmine to be on the deed, but didn't want to spoil the surprise. Needless to say, he was thrilled.:rolleyes:

[SINK]

You can make it more official by signing the spouse's name and underneath it, write by so and so. With a power of attorney, its done the same way (but typically) this raise unnecesary questions and sometimes the other party requires the notarized power of attorney to be filed as well.

[DVCajun]

It's not dishonest if you have that person's knowledge, Gigashadow. Just in case you're really worried about how you will justify it to your children. ;)

I didn't forge my DH's signature on the DVC docs, but I certainly endorse his paychecks all the time. If I ask him to do it he rolls his eyes, like he can't be bothered! Men!

I wonder if there are any GUYS out there who forge their wife's signature...? Bet there's not!

[SINK]

I do not "sign" for my wife. If I need to deposit checks made payable to her to our joint account, I would just print her name and "Deposit Only". When we executed our mortgage, she was out of the country, but we had executed a power of attorney filed with the escrow services, so I signed all the documents. Let me tell you, that was no fun at all. I had to sign her name (with my handwriting) then put in the spill "with power of attorney, by me", on every signiture line.

[Gigashadow]

DVCajun, I was trying to make light of a semi-serious subject - But I guess I'll clarify myself, Forgery of a document is a Crime. Yes the husband/wife check signing is petty and so is the mortgage issue - For People Like Us. Imagine a "innocent" Wife who decides after reading a wonderfuly open subject like this thinking "everyone does it", she calls DVC and requests a purchase of $12,000 in X amount of points to suprise her husband for their 5th anniversary ( she thinks it is affordable when it really wasnt ) and hands this "Done Deal" to him on the anniversary along with finacial note and dues. He is flabbergasted and calls to try and reverse the deal - "I'm sorry Mr. SoAndSo but you agreed and signed to the terms of this agreement". He calls his Laywer and all the Lawyer can say is "Sorry Mr. SoAndSo, but the only way to reverse this is to have your wife procecuted criminaly for Forgery - this is the only way to break the agreement legaly"

Now Mr. and Mrs. SoAndSo have to sell at a loss and carry the remainder of the loan possibly not able to afford it - mabye this finishes their marriage - who knows.

Sounds like a "Fairy Tale" ? Not where I live, the "petty stuff" is what ruins good people because of blisfull ignorance all around me.

Like I tried to imply earlier, Mabye I can "Get Away" with my things - But I wont be the one to teach someone else how to possibly destroy/marr their lives because they dont think 100% like me. I just didnt think it was a appropriate subject (especially here) and meant no anger/slighting to anyone.







http://www.courts.state.ny.us/cji/170-10.htm

[doubletrouble_vb]

There are guys out there who forge their wives signatures. And just as Gigashadow suggested forging a spouses signature puts the spouse in the unfortunate circumstance of either accepting the situation or prosecuting the offending spouse. For whatever reason the situation I have heard of most frequently for guys involves purchasing a car without the wife's knowledge.

That's why I suggested that the husband fax or fedex home a signed letter giving the wife permission to sign the papers for him.

[trishy]

I sign my dh name on EVERYTHING . He signs my name occasionally; like on taxes. One time he did it when he bought me a car for my birthday - of course, I didn't mind :p Just like if I purchased more DVC points with his signature, it would just make his day! I think it depends on the trust you have in your partner/marriage. I trust him 100% not to deceive me and obviously he feels the same about me. :D I wouldn't recommend it for someone relatively new in a relationship. I've been with dh for 20+ years (since I was 15) - married for 13 yrs. - with time comes trust.

[chris1gill]

I'm kind of confused with Gigashadows response to DVCcajun, but regardless... The OP was talking about her situation and signing her husbands name WITH HIS FULL KNOWLEDGE & his permission. I don't think the OP needs to worry about this at all. She had his permission, obviously they'd talked about their finances ahead of time... This seems like a perfectly legal situation. Recently we had the same problem. Our DVC BWV add on paperwork came in while my DH was away. Thankfully he was only gone two more days, but believe me I would have signed for him if I'd had to... again, we talked about it beforehand, he had full knowledge, so this was definitely not a case of forgery.

[jmminarik]

Originally posted by DVCajun
I didn't forge my DH's signature on the DVC docs, but I certainly endorse his paychecks all the time. If I ask him to do it he rolls his eyes, like he can't be bothered! Men!

I wonder if there are any GUYS out there who forge their wife's signature...? Bet there's not!

Hey...part of my reading of these boards is to escape from female venting! :p

I've never forged her signature. I've signed her checks, but since she's ok with it and would testify that my writing of her name represents her signature, it is ok. On all important documents, or things like checks we write that require both of our signatures, we both sign.

You must keep in mind, most of the common laws on signatures and seals stem from the days when most people were illiterate.

-Joe

[DVCajun]

Ooooh, Joe, sorry to intrude on your little sanctuary! ;)

[dianeschlicht]

When I sign DHs name to a check etc. I always initial with my initials as well.

[BigLou]

Your title has what is known as a "defect". Although it is not a "fatal defect", it could affect you and your husband if you ever divorce. It could also cause problems if you ever decide to sell it, but these problems will be the new buyers, not yours.

As someone else pointed out, there are three parts of forgery:

1. You forge a signature.
2. You pass or attempt to pass the forged signature as genuine.
3. Someone must be harmed by the forgery.

Although you have done 1 & 2, number 3 has not happened.

Yet.

[POOH&PIGLET]

Drubsa is right. I never really thought about this before so I looked it up.

The lowest level of Forgery in New York State is defined as "with intent to defraud, deceive, or injure another, he falsely makes, completes or alters a written instrument."

"Falsely make" and "falsely complete" have there own definitions but they involved doing something without proper authorization.

There is no intent to defraud, deceive, or injure another and Simba's Mom's husband authorized her to sign his name. That means there is no crime. I also doubt there is any title defect.

I have never forged/signed my wife's name and probably never will.

[Gigashadow]

I had thought this post would have died. My posts were clear on my opinion. I never said anyone here was in danger of proscution. I simply said the subject was hazy and didnt think it was appropriate ( Next time I will Mind My Own Business just like I do with everything that has nothing to do with me ). If you "read" my posts I referred to the possibility of a person becoming involved in a situation they might not have without the knowledge of reprocutions that could result in the mishandeling of what someone projects as completely innocent for the way thier life works for them. As I said in my previous post "I ment no anger/slighting to anyone" and I will avoid posts not related to DVC subjects.

Let he who cast the first stone be without sin - I dont cast stones

[HeatherPage]

Hey sometimes people like to continue discussions long after the original poster has left - I don't think you angered or slighted anyone it's just human nature, especially on forums like these.