Is it just me? Re:BLT comparisons

[WoodysRoundup]

Let me start off by saying that one year ago our family purchased pts. at AKV. This week, we became founding members at BLT.... I will never claim to be a DVC expert. I still have lots to learn. I do, however, frequent these boards (which I am grateful for) for many different reasons.

I just had to ask though......What is the reason for all the negative threads regarding BLT? I mean, there's always an opposing view. I take the positive and negative threads (mostly) with a grain of salt. However, across the DVC forums, there are ALOT of threads "trash talking" BLT.....from the MK view rooms, to the decor, to the walking to one park vs. two (like the EP DVC's)....the LIST goes on and on. I can't help but wonder....Are people just wanting to justify not purchasing? I don't know...what is it?

There are a few DVC resorts at WDW that are definitely not our cup of tea, but I don't feel the need to start threads to justify why I don't like them! I mean, why even start a thread? You're not buying, not your cup of tea, move on. I don't need justification on why you don't like it, and I don't want to argue back and forth on what the value is to our family (just an example).

No flames, please......just a legitimate question, IMHO.

[DVC Mike]

Let me start off by saying that one year ago our family purchased pts. at AKV. This week, we became founding members at BLT.... I will never claim to be a DVC expert. I still have lots to learn. I do, however, frequent these boards (which I am grateful for) for many different reasons.

I just had to ask though......What is the reason for all the negative threads regarding BLT? I mean, there's always an opposing view. I take the positive and negative threads (mostly) with a grain of salt. However, across the DVC forums, there are ALOT of threads "trash talking" BLT.....from the MK view rooms, to the decor, to the walking to one park vs. two (like the EP DVC's)....the LIST goes on and on. I can't help but wonder....Are people just wanting to justify not purchasing? I don't know...what is it?

There are a few DVC resorts at WDW that are definitely not our cup of tea, but I don't feel the need to start threads to justify why I don't like them! I mean, why even start a thread? You're not buying, not your cup of tea, move on. I don't need justification on why you don't like it, and I don't want to argue back and forth on what the value is to our family (just an example).

No flames, please......just a legitimate question, IMHO.

If you've been on these boards long enough, you'll find many threads dumping on each and every DVC resort (well, maybe a bit more of them for SSR).

Everyone has different preferences, and I have no problems with someone giving their opinion -- as long as it's done respectfully and without talking
"trash" about any particular resort.

I just ignore the trash talk. I know which resorts I like.

[WoodysRoundup]

If you've been on these boards long enough, you'll find many threads dumping on each and every DVC resort (well, maybe a bit more of them for SSR).

Everyone has different preferences, and I have no problems with someone giving their opinion -- as long as it's done respectfully and without talking
"trash" about any particular resort.

I just ignore the trash talk. I know which resorts I like.

Well said, Mike. :thumbsup2

I just would never think of saying "gee I'm glad I don't own there" when someone talks about any given resort. I'm not offended, I just don't see the point. It's different if someone is on the fence about buying in or not, then I can see the opinions and pros/cons.

[lowepg]

I've noticed a high correlation between BLT-trash talk and recent AK buyers (judging by posts and signatures). Hard to believe there's not more than a little bit of trying to rationalize their own purchases... Seems pretty normal....

[LIFERBABE]

These are reactions to what is currently being offered. Everyone needs to weigh out the pros and cons for themselves. No one has stayed there yet so all you can do is discuss and compare.

Alot of people dont like the decor of AKV or any other resort. The models at AKV and finished product were changed based on reaction and feedback.

This is a brand new resort under construction. It really doesnt belong to anyone yet although they are more than happy to take your money today. Everyone is trying to digest whether this resort fits them, whether they want to buy BLT or somewhere else, etc. Some people chew on things differently so the discussion is helpful both negative and positive. Im an SSR owner and some people never have anything nice to say about it, but we return year after year and enjoy all the things they don't. Im glad the things that bother them about SSR dont bother me.

So if you like BLT, congratulations, Im sure you will love it!:wizard:

It's a little too early for a BLT lovefest and since this is a discussion board where people come for information and opinions of experienced owners and new owners alike, everyone should feel comfortable sharing.:wizard:

[Terry S]

After you are on the boards for awhile you will notice that the newest resort get the most talk, a lot of the talk ends up being criticism. You will just have to take it with a grain of salt. I remember being a little defensive when I bought BCV and there was a lot of complaints here about it, i started wondering about my decision especially since it wasn't even built when i bought and I hadn't even seen a model. People were doing the same thing, comparing every little tiny piece of wood, paint, and carpet with other resorts and there is always the mine is better than yours mentality. I was beginning to think that size really did matter! :rotfl:

[5forDiz]

I've noticed a high correlation between BLT-trash talk and recent AK buyers (judging by posts and signatures). Hard to believe there's not more than a little bit of trying to rationalize their own purchases... Seems pretty normal....

Good point. Think its the normal should I have just held off a little longer for the next thing :confused3 ; kinda like when you decide to buy a new car.

Ultimately, I think everyone buys at the resort that fits them 'best' either because of timing, pricing, incentives offered, location, decor . . . any and all of the above. What I think about which DVC resort(s) to own I don't expect anyone else to agree with. It's making us :grouphug: happy and that is how it should be & I hope that is how everyone's decision makes them feel and I wish them the best.

[Dean]

Let me start off by saying that one year ago our family purchased pts. at AKV. This week, we became founding members at BLT.... I will never claim to be a DVC expert. I still have lots to learn. I do, however, frequent these boards (which I am grateful for) for many different reasons.

I just had to ask though......What is the reason for all the negative threads regarding BLT? I mean, there's always an opposing view. I take the positive and negative threads (mostly) with a grain of salt. However, across the DVC forums, there are ALOT of threads "trash talking" BLT.....from the MK view rooms, to the decor, to the walking to one park vs. two (like the EP DVC's)....the LIST goes on and on. I can't help but wonder....Are people just wanting to justify not purchasing? I don't know...what is it?

There are a few DVC resorts at WDW that are definitely not our cup of tea, but I don't feel the need to start threads to justify why I don't like them! I mean, why even start a thread? You're not buying, not your cup of tea, move on. I don't need justification on why you don't like it, and I don't want to argue back and forth on what the value is to our family (just an example).

No flames, please......just a legitimate question, IMHO.IMO, there is a lot more perception of resort bashing than true resort bashing. You can hate my resort for every reason you can think of and I don't care. The only way I'd push back would be if one were inaccurate. Saying one hates the resort, the decor, the size, the colors, the location, the staff, the parking, the restaurants, etc is not resort bashing but is an opinion. I'd also agree that those more likely to see opinion as resort bashing tend to be newer members who are somewhat overzealous.

[RichieGraciemom]

I've noticed a high correlation between BLT-trash talk and recent AK buyers (judging by posts and signatures). Hard to believe there's not more than a little bit of trying to rationalize their own purchases... Seems pretty normal....

I also have been waiting for blt. just added on today 100 points at akv. We honestly could not afford to buy 100 more at blt, but that is where my heart was. The add on incentive for animal kingdom was very good and maybe one day I will get a room at blt, I think it is beautiful and to me that section of the world is DISNEY. But off the Saratoga springs with our developer points in february and maybe one day i will win the lottery and be able to buy at blt. for now 360 points is good enought for us. Congrats to all blt owners!!!!!!!!!!!!

[pinnocchiosdad]

This is just my opinion, here is how I see it. 1st off congratulations to all of you who have purchased BLT. I wish all of you many happy vacations. BLT has been hyped on these boards for months. Its price has been speculated to be as high as $160 a point. It was anticipated like no other DVC property before. Who could ever imagine MK views and a monorail stop. Then there was the secrecy. we basicaly had no info other than rumors. we all know DVC guides were tight lipped and it was a "BIG SECRET" that every one kept. Then one day (this week), the sheet was pulled off BLT with no warning, no pomp and circumstance. I think many members who DIS (no pun intended) it are just a bit let down. Now that BLT is real, its just another hotel, about the same cost as any other DVC property (excluding resales), with lower than expected MF's. The shroud of secrecy has been lifted and I think many including me were expecting a bit more. They didn't WOW me on this one. I hope they try again with the Polynesian.

[liznboys]

Are people just wanting to justify not purchasing? I don't know...what is it?

There are a few DVC resorts at WDW that are definitely not our cup of tea, but I don't feel the need to start threads to justify why I don't like them! I mean, why even start a thread? You're not buying, not your cup of tea, move on. I don't need justification on why you don't like it, .


I just would never think of saying "gee I'm glad I don't own there" when someone talks about any given resort. I'm not offended, I just don't see the point. It's different if someone is on the fence about buying in or not, then I can see the opinions and pros/cons.

I am with you on the above, and I understand exactly what you mean. I don't get it either. :confused3

[vascubaguy]

Some folks have a bad experience and they vent on the boards by trashing the resort. I had one of those experiences at OKW and I posted reasons "I" didn't like it and wouldn't go back despite the lower points. It's a great resort, just not for me...

Of course, I think there is a pretty good balance... you get different opinions from a diverse group of people who express the good and bad of each resort. If I had listened a little more to some of the "negative" feedback about OKW and instead compared the opinions of why the person felt a certain way, I could have saved myself some time in buying and selling a contract at OKW. :confused3

One thing I've learned on these boards is that no one ever agrees. Don't believe me... go check the restaurant board!!!

[lowepg]

We just finished our last full day in the World (check out tomorrow) :confused:

The one thing I've really noticed is how many things there are to REALLY like about each of the different properties. Since I was planning to buy dvc on this trip (but then held off with blt annoucement), I took time while the girls were shopping to check out the couple of properties I wasnt familiar with.

some newer thoughts:

We're staying at BW:
Wow, love the promximity to DHS and EP. The kids loved the pool and the boardwalk in the evening hs been a whole new dimension to our Disney stay.

BC: Beautiful. Again, great location, had a great meal at the Cape May, cool pool, etc,

SSR: Much nicer than i thought. Not nearly as remote as i assumed from looking at it online/brochures.

AKV: After touring the model, have to say I really like the new decor.


Frankly, if BW or BC had another pullout bed in the 1 BR's, I'd be strongly considering resale there vs AK or BLT. But with 2 DD's (8 and 9), I can see a real need for seperate sleeping in the VERY near future.... I wonder if an update is somewhere in the stars?

So, this trip started with me pretty convinced with what to do.... now it seems there are too many good options :rotfl2:

[WoodysRoundup]

IMO, there is a lot more perception of resort bashing than true resort bashing. You can hate my resort for every reason you can think of and I don't care. The only way I'd push back would be if one were inaccurate. Saying one hates the resort, the decor, the size, the colors, the location, the staff, the parking, the restaurants, etc is not resort bashing but is an opinion. I'd also agree that those more likely to see opinion as resort bashing tend to be newer members who are somewhat overzealous.


The threads about BLT are not resort bashing. Nobody has even stayed there b/c it's not even open yet! The threads I'm speaking of are not the type on the resorts board where people are sharing their views on their resort stays. I'm talking about the sarcasm and the "You'd never get me over there" type threads. Again, if someone was asking for an opinion on whether to buy or not, I get it.

And, I may be a "newer member" but I'm a veteran to WDW and it's resorts for well over 30yrs. And "overzealous"? .....hardly. :rolleyes:

[BroganMc]

BLT suffers from "new kid in class syndrome". It's just getting it's fair share of picking apart. Some will love it, some won't. There's also a lot of folks who loved the idea of it far more than the actual product.

I think of it like a private school constantly adding new students. SSR were the kids from that new affordable housing division. AKV are the exchange students from a foreign nation. BLT are the rich kids from those million dollar homes. OKW were the earliest homesteaders who wondered why all these new people came into town, but they were here first and are happy as long as teacher doesn't complete forget them. They remember the good old days when it was just them and teacher, no uniforms, no set rules, just sitting around sharing lunch and feeling very family cozy. VWL has more of the same feel. It's really mostly the BCV and BWV ones that made the class more of a structured class.

[liznboys]

BroganMc, you just made my dh and I LOL! That was great!!!! :thumbsup2 :rotfl:

[WoodysRoundup]

BroganMc, you just made my dh and I LOL! That was great!!!! :thumbsup2 :rotfl:


Agreed! Really really clever!

Hey liznboys.....when will we find out if we get that plaque!!?? :goodvibes

[Laurabearz]

Let me start off by saying that one year ago our family purchased pts. at AKV. This week, we became founding members at BLT.... I will never claim to be a DVC expert. I still have lots to learn. I do, however, frequent these boards (which I am grateful for) for many different reasons.

I just had to ask though......What is the reason for all the negative threads regarding BLT? I mean, there's always an opposing view. I take the positive and negative threads (mostly) with a grain of salt. However, across the DVC forums, there are ALOT of threads "trash talking" BLT.....from the MK view rooms, to the decor, to the walking to one park vs. two (like the EP DVC's)....the LIST goes on and on. I can't help but wonder....Are people just wanting to justify not purchasing? I don't know...what is it?

There are a few DVC resorts at WDW that are definitely not our cup of tea, but I don't feel the need to start threads to justify why I don't like them! I mean, why even start a thread? You're not buying, not your cup of tea, move on. I don't need justification on why you don't like it, and I don't want to argue back and forth on what the value is to our family (just an example).

No flames, please......just a legitimate question, IMHO.

This is exactly how I feel about all the political threads over on the community board :lmao:

[liznboys]

Agreed! Really really clever!

Hey liznboys.....when will we find out if we get that plaque!!?? :goodvibes


Good question (and I did ask my guide about that but I can't remember exactly what she said so I won't try to post it). I realized that it's probably going to take some time though because not all of the first 1000 "buyers" will end up really buying for one reason or another. So they'll have to pull out all the ones who don't end up buying and shift people up. That's my thought anyway, we shall see! :)

[rutgers1]

I will admit that I have taken a negative stance or two on BLT. Here is why:
1) I will admit that part of it stems from the euphoria of some people over it. Perhaps subconsciously I am trying to temper the excitement.
2) Given the prime location, I was really expecting Disney to hit the ball out of the park. However, when I look at it and review what little I know about it, it seems like Disney is hoping that the location makes up for the lack of theming.
3) The Contemporary has long been my least favorite resort in all of Disney - including the All Star resorts. When I heard a DVC resort was going up next store, I was hoping and hoping that it would be a complete break from the Contemporary. But although BLT is shaped in a more "rounded" way, it apparently is still the younger sister of the Contemporary. I don't like that.
5) I want Disney to raise the bar with each new DVC hotel. In my mind, this isn't raising the bar at all.

[Dean]

The threads about BLT are not resort bashing. Nobody has even stayed there b/c it's not even open yet! The threads I'm speaking of are not the type on the resorts board where people are sharing their views on their resort stays. I'm talking about the sarcasm and the "You'd never get me over there" type threads. Again, if someone was asking for an opinion on whether to buy or not, I get it.

And, I may be a "newer member" but I'm a veteran to WDW and it's resorts for well over 30yrs. And "overzealous"? .....hardly. :rolleyes:I guess I don't see any harm in one expressing their honest views. And I certainly don't want an environment where people can only say positive things and not balance with honest negatives even if it's the minority opinion. People know the location, have seen the setup, decor and points charts, that's a lot of info. For anyone who's ever stayed at the CR or even any monorail resort, they've got almost all the info their going to get to formulate a reasonable opinion of their interest in the resort.

As for why specific thread's dedicated to BLT, it's the new resort. It's been talked about and anticipated for some time and now there's some real info to discuss,both positve and negative. I'll admit that the decor doesn't wow me, I don't especially like it, esp the furniture. And I'm not a big CR fan but I do like the location.

And while my reference to some newer members being overly sensitive in this area may not apply to you, it was a blanket statement related to your question which I stand by. But one could certainly extend the statement to a significant portion of DVC members in general being overly sensitive to negative opinions about their resorts and DVC in general. BTW, I'm not an optimist or a pessimist, I'm a realist.

[WoodysRoundup]

I certainly don't want an environment where people can only say positive things and not balance with honest negatives even if it's the minority opinion.

I certainly agree with you on that point.....just not on the topic of this thread. As far as BLT being the new kid on the block and prime for the most critiques, I get that. IMO, I don't get those type of threads for any DVC resort. If it's a comparison someone is requesting to help make a decision, than that's one thing. But, if it's a thread criticising just for the sake of criticising "glad I don't own there" stuff, I don't get it. Oh well, we could go on and on........

[Dean]

I certainly agree with you on that point.....just not on the topic of this thread. As far as BLT being the new kid on the block and prime for the most critiques, I get that. IMO, I don't get those type of threads for any DVC resort. If it's a comparison someone is requesting to help make a decision, than that's one thing. But, if it's a thread criticising just for the sake of criticising "glad I don't own there" stuff, I don't get it. Oh well, we could go on and on........It's OK to be honest, just not where the resorts are concerned, I get you. BLT is the new kid and it will get most of the threads both positive and negative, most I've seen were mostly to completely positive. IMO, if one doesn't like a resort or has a bad experience, they should feel free to post that information, everyone can skip the thread's that are not interested or offended in some way. I don't get the approach of trying to keep the skeleton's in the closet. OTOH, I'd say that a significant portion of the bad experiences I've seen posted over the years were based on things either not specific to a resort or based on unreasonable expectations or both. Kind of like the section on Deb Wills site where someone read about all the antics at Whispering Canyon and then were upset that ALL of those things didn't happen to them.

[edk35]

Let me start off by saying that one year ago our family purchased pts. at AKV. This week, we became founding members at BLT.... I will never claim to be a DVC expert. I still have lots to learn. I do, however, frequent these boards (which I am grateful for) for many different reasons.

I just had to ask though......What is the reason for all the negative threads regarding BLT? I mean, there's always an opposing view. I take the positive and negative threads (mostly) with a grain of salt. However, across the DVC forums, there are ALOT of threads "trash talking" BLT.....from the MK view rooms, to the decor, to the walking to one park vs. two (like the EP DVC's)....the LIST goes on and on. I can't help but wonder....Are people just wanting to justify not purchasing? I don't know...what is it?

There are a few DVC resorts at WDW that are definitely not our cup of tea, but I don't feel the need to start threads to justify why I don't like them! I mean, why even start a thread? You're not buying, not your cup of tea, move on. I don't need justification on why you don't like it, and I don't want to argue back and forth on what the value is to our family (just an example).

No flames, please......just a legitimate question, IMHO.

Since I was one of those "thread starters" let me give you my opinion since I did start a couple of threads. First of all there was so much hype about BLT for the past year or longer and finally when it was announced on Tuesday....well there did seem to be "lack of excitement on Dis". I was very curious as to why this was...... so it promted me to ask. PURE CURIOSITY......... I was in NO way negative PERIOD. This made me personally curious as to why that was. I was shocked at the lack of response. It made me think.....hmmmm what happened???:confused3 So I posted the threads. Now I have been a member of Dis for years and every time a new DVC resort is added....it is talked about, discussed, people inquire, because it is a public forum and that is what people do. Now I personally knew that we were not interested in BLT but it didn't mean we wouldn't stay there one day. HECK....I see us staying there more than once. :scared1: :rotfl: I just said we were not interested in buying and yet we are happy to have another DVC resort to stay at. Our DVC membership allows that......hmmmmm imagine that. Yes we as members aren't locked into just staying at our home resort which I think some forget on this board. That is why I said we plan on staying there at some point. Who knows we might love it and want to add on there or wish we had. I don't know but as of right now....it just doesn't seem like my cup of tea so to speak. Anyway.....SSR is my home resort too...and it has been bashed for a long time but it didn't stop me from buying in, or staying there. It was a personal decision by me to own there and I could care less what others think. They don't have to stay there. I am sure some people have "buyer's remorse" right now over their purchases elsewhere and maybe wish they had bought into BLT and that is why they posted the way they did....but NOT ME. SO by me posting three threads it was not because I felt I made a big mistake with my recent AKV add on. NOPE.....we all knew BLT was coming down the pike, some waited, some didn't and some bought elsewhere. So.......coming from a BLT thread starter.....it interested me as to why people weren't buying now or were buying and maybe thought they wouldn't. SO that is my two cents on why I posted and maybe why others did too. You are always going to have controversy on a public forum ....but how members that read/post react, take it to heart also determines the way the tone goes on a certain thread. It really shouldn't matter one bit if you are satisfied with your choice to purchase BLT. Just let it roll off your back....in the grand scheme of things.....it shouldn't really matter if you know what you did was what you wanted who cares what others think. People take things a little too personal on here at times. :confused3 So here are my two threads....and you can determine if I was IN THE WRONG by posting them. I was not negative.....just curious. I am also not saying you are accusing me personally....just trying to shed some light on why things are brought up. I am sorry if you were offended in them or anyone else.....but like I said. This is a public forum and you will get all sorts of answers on questions. If it bothers people...then maybe they should not read certain threads or be members if it affects them so. :idea:

http://www.disboards.com/showthread.php?t=1956936

http://www.disboards.com/showthread.php?t=1957194

[WoodysRoundup]

It's OK to be honest, just not where the resorts are concerned, I get you.

Not true. If you read what I wrote, I said I don't get those types of threads for any resort. And , no, you don't "get me" OR what point I was trying to make.. ....I give! .........You win! :)

[WoodysRoundup]

Since I was one of those "thread starters" let me give you my opinion since I did start a couple of threads. So here are my two threads....and you can determine if I was IN THE WRONG by posting them. I was not negative.....just curious. I am also not saying you are accusing me personally....just trying to shed some light on why things are brought up. I am sorry if you were offended in them or anyone else.....but like I said. This is a public forum and you will get all sorts of answers on questions. If it bothers people...then maybe they should not read certain threads or be members if it affects them so. :idea:

http://www.disboards.com/showthread.php?t=1956936

http://www.disboards.com/showthread.php?t=1957194

I NEVER once said I was offended by those threads. I said I didn't understand them. It's like the kid on the playground sticking their tongue out saying nah nah nah nah naaaaa nah! I also never said anyone was "IN THE WRONG". I simply questioned those types of threads. As I've already stated numerous times....If people were asking for a resort comparison or looking to buy and those opinions were expressed, perfect! But to start a thread like - Who's glad they don't own there? I don't get (for any resort)!!. As a matter of fact, it seems that those of you who are not interested in BLT are the ones starting the defensiveness here. My post questioned and was never presented in defensive tone. YOUR response is QUITE so. And saying "If it bothers people...then maybe they should not read certain threads or BE MEMBERS if it affects them so"...........Amazing to me! A little harsh, don't you think?

[bmalonef45]

While I don't understand why people feel the need to post negative about any resort I do agree with some of the previous posts. Really we're all part of the same family and one of the best things about DVC is that they have numerous resorts to fit everyone's needs. If you don't like a resort PLEASE don't buy there, heck don't stay there so some of the rest of us can.

We purchased points 3 years ago at SSR. As a family we've yet to stay there (I've stayed there once on a guys golf trip and was very happy) but we will in the future and I'm sure it will be fine. But when my wife and I made our trip to make our purchase we did go to every resort on property AND even drove down to VB to see what we were getting. IMHO the variety was the biggest selling point. We've stayed at most of them and plan to make them all in time.

I guess my point is that everyone has different needs and wants. Unless you go to a resort, have a bad experience and have suggestions for others how to avoid that same thing I see no need to take shots at another resort. I'm sure there are people that have been saving every penny to buy at BLT and I for one don't feel the need to rain on their parade. Getting off soap box to call DVC and see if my waitlist at VWL for thanksgiving night has came in Congrats to all the founding members of BLT can't wait to see all your names at OUR new resort!

[the who #3]

i have just purchased at blt and i am very excited about it. :yay: the incentive was not good at all, but being a small dvc i think it will sell out before they start giving really big incentive.

things i love......the monorail, each 1bdr has 2 full baths. the rooms will all sleep more people, and, yes, i love the mk view.:thumbsup2

this is my third home at wdw. vwl, akv, and now blt. i also will buy a resale at bcv someday. after that i should be set for my years of retirement travel.
the pts. can also be used for abd trips and they are worth every pt. or every dollar spent.::yes::

[Mississippian]

Let me start off by saying that one year ago our family purchased pts. at AKV. This week, we became founding members at BLT.... I will never claim to be a DVC expert. I still have lots to learn. I do, however, frequent these boards (which I am grateful for) for many different reasons.

I just had to ask though......What is the reason for all the negative threads regarding BLT? I mean, there's always an opposing view. I take the positive and negative threads (mostly) with a grain of salt. However, across the DVC forums, there are ALOT of threads "trash talking" BLT.....from the MK view rooms, to the decor, to the walking to one park vs. two (like the EP DVC's)....the LIST goes on and on. I can't help but wonder....Are people just wanting to justify not purchasing? I don't know...what is it?

There are a few DVC resorts at WDW that are definitely not our cup of tea, but I don't feel the need to start threads to justify why I don't like them! I mean, why even start a thread? You're not buying, not your cup of tea, move on. I don't need justification on why you don't like it, and I don't want to argue back and forth on what the value is to our family (just an example).

No flames, please......just a legitimate question, IMHO.
First of all, I am a big BLT fan. I think they've done it about right. I wish the point chart were a bit cheaper, but I think BLT is going to be more of a luxury experience.

You should be aware that every "bad" DVC resort -- and by "bad" I mean one that is out of sync with what the general DVC membership wants, or one that represents a loss of value compared to the other resorts -- has a negative effect on the good resorts. That's why you hear so much trash talking. DVC "took the money and ran" with SSR, and that's why you hear so much trash talking about it. Note that AKV, where you own, is new and while there may have been some criticism, for the most part it has been very well received. It offers a very welcome addition to the DVC family (even though I don't own there and probably never will).

In the case of BLT, I think there has been so much hype that there is bound to be a little bit of letdown. Certain things don't look the way people would like for them to be. There are worries about the lounge at the top (my thinking is that by placement alone it will always be open to DVC members, and that's good enough for me). It's going to be expensive, but I think the owners will love it. Sometimes after these early criticisms DVC ends up making some changes. In the end, the member services people will rarely hear people saying "anywhere but BLT" like they often do for another resort which shall remain nameless.

[kikiq]

I'm with you Woodysroundup. Expressing an opinion when someone asks about a resort and when you have a negative resort experience are posts that make sense to me. I want to know why posters that don't own that resort start threads to post their negative opinions and THEN make it seem that everyone feels that way.

I had recently read a SSR thread and found this statement that tjkraz wrote:

What continues to amaze me is that people so readily assume that their own personal perception / bias is somehow representative of the public as a whole.

Let me add my congrats to everyone who have been waiting for BLT and finally got their wish!!! I'm waiting for GCV.

[Robert H]

I agree, Woody. Its all in how something is said. Its like politics- there are some people with opposing views that you can have thoughtful discussions with and then there are others who try to drag you down. I also see no need to rain on anybody's parade or temper anybody's excitement.

I, for one, LOVE BLT! I love the location. I love the MK view. I love the idea of seeing fireworks from my room. I love walking to the MK. I even LOVE the decor! I even love the "big hotel" feel that puts some people off. We bought 113 points (strange number, I know, but that way we can stay in a 1-BR MK view every 3rd year with us staying at AKV the other years).

I don't really have much interest in THV's because we're a family of four and we don't really have the points (or the need) to stay at anything so big.....but I didn't start a thread to criticize them. I just thought it sounded pretty cool for people whose needs they would fit.

[Buckalew11]

I love them all. I'm doubting I will be bashing a resort. I might not be happy with some aspect of the service there or something but the DVC resorts are all wonderful to me!

We've going to add on in the near future but we're going to go resale somewhere else. I'll take my chances getting into BLT someday but I won't be heartbroken either way because 1) they are all beautiful and I feel lucky to be staying at any of them and 2) besides VB and HHI, I'm at WDW-does life get better than that??! ;)

BLT is decorated the way I like but I think it fits the place and I'm sure I'd enjoy it once there. For the people who bought and will enjoy their purchase, I really hope it is as great as it sounds. I'm sure it will be!!
I remember the first time I saw BCV. My heart melted. And it still melts! I wish the same for everyone concerning their DVC!

[Dean]

Not true. If you read what I wrote, I said I don't get those types of threads for any resort. And , no, you don't "get me" OR what point I was trying to make.. ....I give! .........You win! :)Sorry if I misunderstood your statementI certainly agree with you on that point.....just not on the topic of this thread.I read it as you saying people didn't have the right to post the types of posts your were complaining about. I apologize if that was not what you were saying.

[WilsonFlyer]

Yea. Everybody was having a fit about it a week ago, AND for the last 6 months. Now everybody's got cold feet. It is bizzare if you think about it.

Fine with me. Makes booking easier. :)

[DVC Mike]

I, for one, LOVE BLT! I love the location. I love the MK view. I love the idea of seeing fireworks from my room. I love walking to the MK. I even LOVE the decor! I even love the "big hotel" feel that puts some people off.

ITA! :thumbsup2

[honeymo78]

ITA! :thumbsup2

Ditto

[edk35]

This is just my opinion, here is how I see it. 1st off congratulations to all of you who have purchased BLT. I wish all of you many happy vacations. BLT has been hyped on these boards for months. Its price has been speculated to be as high as $160 a point. It was anticipated like no other DVC property before. Who could ever imagine MK views and a monorail stop. Then there was the secrecy. we basicaly had no info other than rumors. we all know DVC guides were tight lipped and it was a "BIG SECRET" that every one kept. Then one day (this week), the sheet was pulled off BLT with no warning, no pomp and circumstance. I think many members who DIS (no pun intended) it are just a bit let down. Now that BLT is real, its just another hotel, about the same cost as any other DVC property (excluding resales), with lower than expected MF's. The shroud of secrecy has been lifted and I think many including me were expecting a bit more. They didn't WOW me on this one. I hope they try again with the Polynesian.

:thumbsup2 :thumbsup2 And that is what prompted me to post those two threads. I really expected a huge excitement over the BLT and so I personally wanted to know what happened. I am on and off these boards...somtimes on them for weeks posting a lot and then off for weeks or months at a time depending on what is going on in our crazy lives. SO .....the BLT were finally revealed and it seem that no big excited threads were posted...which got me thinking "what happened?":confused: Did I miss something along the way. Being curious is not considered a valid reason apparently.

[DVC Mike]

SO .....the BLT were finally revealed and it seem that no big excited threads were posted...which got me thinking "what happened?"

I am very excited about BLT!

I added on the day it was first announced by DVC.

[edk35]

I NEVER once said I was offended by those threads. I said I didn't understand them. It's like the kid on the playground sticking their tongue out saying nah nah nah nah naaaaa nah! I also never said anyone was "IN THE WRONG". I simply questioned those types of threads. As I've already stated numerous times....If people were asking for a resort comparison or looking to buy and those opinions were expressed, perfect! But to start a thread like - Who's glad they don't own there? I don't get (for any resort)!!. As a matter of fact, it seems that those of you who are not interested in BLT are the ones starting the defensiveness here. My post questioned and was never presented in defensive tone. YOUR response is QUITE so. And saying "If it bothers people...then maybe they should not read certain threads or BE MEMBERS if it affects them so"...........Amazing to me! A little harsh, don't you think?

I just feel that you don't want (you said "understand"} people who don't like BLT or have an opinion about it....that isn't a positive one.... to voice their opinions. Sure ...I don't think people should start threads that say "BLT haters post here" "If you hate AKV post here". Maybe the way I worded my threads came across a certain way to sound negative ... but the replies I got didn't indicate that whatsoever. Nonetheless, because I don't own there and I want to talk about it .... because I am curious about something.....doesn't mean I shouldn't post a thread that wasn't even negative. There are far worst things being discussed on here at times. but this topic has really hit home apparently to a few now that BLT WAS ANNOUNCED. It appears from your comments on here...that you and maybe others too.. don't understand why other DVC owners want to discuss BLT that don't plan on staying or buying there ...why does it matter to us if we have no plans to buy or stay there. YES some have done so in a negative fashion, but others including ME have not. I have replied to many BLT threads in a very postive and happy manner. My entire reply to your post was to tell you why I personally started my threads. I know you didn't accuse me and I said that....but with the way your tone came across..I felt the need to explain. SO your tone made me feel that you think.... unless you like a certain resort.....we must remain mum on the topic???? Because I started two threads .....out of curiosity (because I wondered why there was a lack of excitement after all the time people were waiting for it) I apparently shouldn't have an opinion and if I do it is because I must be regretting my purchases at AKV or SSR or I am jealous and defensive for some reason I am not really revealing to myself or other dis'ers???? I guess I should keep my opinions to myself unless I can only talk positively about all resorts....OH BUT WAIT....I never said anything negative about BLT.

I didn't mean to sound harsh but if you feel so strongly about something and you know it is going to bother you.....then don't read the threads. Post on the happy and postive threads that make you feel good. Skip the ones that might bug you. We all have things in common on here...... we love Disney and we also have different opinions, but just remember that is a public forum and things will be said. I know that when SSR was always talked about....I just ignored that stuff. It didn't affect me in the least.

[edk35]

I am very excited about BLT!

I added on the day it was first announced by DVC.

YEAH DVC MIKE and I knew you were happy ...I am pretty sure I replied to one of your threads. I always knew you couldn't wait for it. CONGRATS!!!!!!!:thumbsup2

[WoodysRoundup]

I'm with you Woodysroundup. Expressing an opinion when someone asks about a resort and when you have a negative resort experience are posts that make sense to me. I want to know why posters that don't own that resort start threads to post their negative opinions and THEN make it seem that everyone feels that way.



Exactly! :thumbsup2

And Robert H also sums it up so nicely by saying "there are some people with opposing views that you can have thoughtful discussions with and then there are others who try to drag you down".

FWIW edk 35 deduced that my "tone made her feel that I think"......I'm lost already! There was no tone, no offense taken, and nowhere in there a comment about how people shouldn't post opposing threads. Sorry if it's unclear what I was posting about -after I've repeated it many times in this thread already. And here's where I will refer back to kikiq's thoughts again!

[edk35]

Exactly! :thumbsup2

And Robert H also sums it up so nicely by saying "there are some people with opposing views that you can have thoughtful discussions with and then there are others who try to drag you down".

FWIW edk 35 deduced that my "tone made her feel that I think"......I'm lost already! There was no tone, no offense taken, and nowhere in there a comment about how people shouldn't post opposing threads. Sorry if it's unclear what I was posting about -after I've repeated it many times in this thread already. And here's where I will refer back to kikiq's thoughts again!


:stir: You started this thread. When you posted it...did you think for a minute that it might get a bit heated??? Obviously it bugged you and a few others the direction the BLT announcement went on these boards. That much is correct. We probably agree on that. So who was stirring the pot on this thread. NOT ME!!! I didn't start it. You could have taken the other threads with a grain of salt like you said in your original post and let the other threads not bother you. You didn't.... you felt compelled to START A THREAD and comment on how you don't understand why others did make comments. So some may see you as stirring the pot a bit. It doesn't really matter why others did...they did it..you don't understand and it bothers you apparently, but others after these willl post stuff that will not be well tolerated by some. You just have to choose to not let it bother you and move on. That is the way life goes on these boards. So let's move on :grouphug: ......I promise I am not replying to anymore comments directed at me...so if you feel compelled...go for it. I am officially done. There are far more wonderful threads to be a subscriber to. :goodvibes

[WoodysRoundup]

:stir: You started this thread. When you posted it...did you think for a minute that it might get a bit heated??? Obviously it bugged you and a few others the direction the BLT announcement went on these boards. That much is correct. We probably agree on that. So who was stirring the pot on this thread. NOT ME!!! I didn't start it. You could have taken the other threads with a grain of salt like you said in your original post and let the other threads not bother you. You didn't.... you felt compelled to START A THREAD and comment on how you don't understand why others did make comments. So some may see you as stirring the pot a bit. It doesn't really matter why others did...they did it..you don't understand and it bothers you apparently, but others after these willl post stuff that will not be well tolerated by some. You just have to choose to not let it bother you and move on. That is the way life goes on these boards. So let's move on :grouphug: ......I promise I am not replying to anymore comments directed at me...so if you feel compelled...go for it. I am officially done. There are far more wonderful threads to be a subscriber to. :goodvibes

And for me, there is nothing to "move on" from.....I only replied to YOUR comments directed at me.....YOUR personalization of this - not mine.

You just don't get it!!!!! I've tried to explain and my head officially hurts from beating it against the wall.

I am also done replying to YOUR ruffled tail feathers and comments that "maybe I shouldn't even be a DVC member"? Have a GREAT night!:rolleyes: Thanks for changing the direction of this thread.

[Terry S]

Just wait until it actually opens. There will be a lot of "interesting" threads than.

[lowepg]

:thumbsup2 :thumbsup2 And that is what prompted me to post those two threads. I really expected a huge excitement over the BLT and so I personally wanted to know what happened. I am on and off these boards...somtimes on them for weeks posting a lot and then off for weeks or months at a time depending on what is going on in our crazy lives. SO .....the BLT were finally revealed and it seem that no big excited threads were posted...which got me thinking "what happened?":confused: Did I miss something along the way. Being curious is not considered a valid reason apparently.

I think you did miss something along the way... lol, I suspect that DISboards is not necessarily respective of ALL DVC members or those interested in buying.

I just got back from WDW (BWV- whew- awesome!!) and i can tell you there was HUGE excitement regarding BLT.... but then again, this was from just regular people- not ones versed in 6 months of speculative threads. :)

Our guide commented that they were swamped:
1. taking pre-orders
2. struggling to get through the huge list of pl on waiting lists for the final blt announcement
3. putting previously in-the-works AKV deals on hold so that ppl could wait and buy BLT instead.

They were also bracing for the feedback from the Travel Channel special which was just starting rotation this week. Add this to the fact that they were still trying to reach members to just get the word out. All in all- I'm betting on solid sales (and a blip up in resales for members wanting the monorail dvc).

Granted, an unscientific study of the situation, but no less than the ones being made by gauging a few days worth of threads....

But thank you for also helping prove my earlier observation about BLT critics :rolleyes1

[pogopossum]

BLT suffers from "new kid in class syndrome". It's just getting it's fair share of picking apart. Some will love it, some won't. There's also a lot of folks who loved the idea of it far more than the actual product.

I think of it like a private school constantly adding new students. SSR were the kids from that new affordable housing division. AKV are the exchange students from a foreign nation. BLT are the rich kids from those million dollar homes. OKW were the earliest homesteaders who wondered why all these new people came into town, but they were here first and are happy as long as teacher doesn't complete forget them. They remember the good old days when it was just them and teacher, no uniforms, no set rules, just sitting around sharing lunch and feeling very family cozy. VWL has more of the same feel. It's really mostly the BCV and BWV ones that made the class more of a structured class.

just wondering where do those of us that bought hhi and vb fit in the class?

or are we the tree top flyers of dvc? constantly avoiding the radar.

i don't quite know what to make of those that criticize the decision of others, especially when it comes to one's own money. we bought hhi originally and are very happy with the purchase, then added on at vb and are very happy with that purchase. akv came along at the right time and we did the add on, deciding that it would be nice to have wdw home resort. we have stayed at jambo house already and are getting ready to book kidani trip next year. this was the right decision for us and we love it. we have friends who love ssr and okw ownerships and if that is right for them then that's great, and i wouldn't criticize that ever. besides i happen to have never met a dvc resort that i didn't like, to paraphrase.

it is time to dvc and let dvc.

[Off-The-Deep-End]

Let me start off by saying that one year ago our family purchased pts. at AKV. This week, we became founding members at BLT.... I will never claim to be a DVC expert. I still have lots to learn. I do, however, frequent these boards (which I am grateful for) for many different reasons.

I just had to ask though......What is the reason for all the negative threads regarding BLT? I mean, there's always an opposing view. I take the positive and negative threads (mostly) with a grain of salt. However, across the DVC forums, there are ALOT of threads "trash talking" BLT.....from the MK view rooms, to the decor, to the walking to one park vs. two (like the EP DVC's)....the LIST goes on and on. I can't help but wonder....Are people just wanting to justify not purchasing? I don't know...what is it?

There are a few DVC resorts at WDW that are definitely not our cup of tea, but I don't feel the need to start threads to justify why I don't like them! I mean, why even start a thread? You're not buying, not your cup of tea, move on. I don't need justification on why you don't like it, and I don't want to argue back and forth on what the value is to our family (just an example).

No flames, please......just a legitimate question, IMHO.

All I can say is we SSR Owners are finally lifted from our burden, it took BLT to do it!

Seriously, the newest resort tends to get a lot of bashing at first, sort of a 'hazing' ritual here at the DIS!

[DVC Mike]

I think you did miss something along the way... lol, I suspect that DISboards is not necessarily respective of ALL DVC members or those interested in buying.

I just got back from WDW (BWV- whew- awesome!!) and i can tell you there was HUGE excitement regarding BLT.... but then again, this was from just regular people- not ones versed in 6 months of speculative threads. :)

Our guide commented that they were swamped:
1. taking pre-orders
2. struggling to get through the huge list of pl on waiting lists for the final blt announcement
3. putting previously in-the-works AKV deals on hold so that ppl could wait and buy BLT instead.

They were also bracing for the feedback from the Travel Channel special which was just starting rotation this week. Add this to the fact that they were still trying to reach members to just get the word out. All in all- I'm betting on solid sales (and a blip up in resales for members wanting the monorail dvc).

Granted, an unscientific study of the situation, but no less than the ones being made by gauging a few days worth of threads....



I think BLT will be extremely successful for DVC!

[Inkmahm]

Good point. Think its the normal should I have just held off a little longer for the next thing :confused3 ; kinda like when you decide to buy a new car.



Nope, I think it is more that those who bought AKV and like the animals and "wild" decor probably have different taste from those who love the "contemporary" style of the BLT. No buyer remorse at all on my part with AKV! Also no interest in owning BLT. And I have no problem with those who want to spend more to own and stay at BLT!

Before buying BWV/VWL/AKV, back in the days when we stayed in hotel rooms, we most often stayed at AKL. We did stay at the Contemporary once only because my husband wanted to see what the inside of the toaster was like as far at the rooms. I had no interest in anything other than a MK view even for that one trip. After that, they changed the rate structure to charge more for the MK view and we never went back at those prices.

I suspect the same will happen for BLT. We'll try it once with a MK view (some day) but likely won't spend the points to stay there and will stay at AKV more often instead in spring. Also VWL for Christmas and BWV for Food and Wine Festival. Somewhere in there we may throw in another large family vacation and for that, we'll consider the tree houses.

[Dean]

just wondering where do those of us that bought hhi and vb fit in the class?

or are we the tree top flyers of dvc? constantly avoiding the radar.

i don't quite know what to make of those that criticize the decision of others, especially when it comes to one's own money. we bought hhi originally and are very happy with the purchase, then added on at vb and are very happy with that purchase. akv came along at the right time and we did the add on, deciding that it would be nice to have wdw home resort. we have stayed at jambo house already and are getting ready to book kidani trip next year. this was the right decision for us and we love it. we have friends who love ssr and okw ownerships and if that is right for them then that's great, and i wouldn't criticize that ever. besides i happen to have never met a dvc resort that i didn't like, to paraphrase.

it is time to dvc and let dvc.I would hope no one would say, "you were stupid to make a given decision" and it's likely not a good idea to say "that was a stupid decision". OTOH, saying generically it's stupid to buy HH or VB would not be the same. Basically 3 differing levels ranging from personal to impersonal. BTW, I'm just making the point of how personal vs impersonal one can word it, I'm not calling anyone stupid.

Here's an example as it applies to your situation, to make the point of what I'D see as appropriate vs inappropriate. I've said a number of times "it's a poor choice to buy HH or VB with the intent of mainly using those points at WDW" but I feel confident in saying only in the context where one might be looking at buying rather than specifically telling someone that already bought that they made a poor choice. A generic impersonal statement that I stand behind. But if you made that choice and are reading that thread, you may still feel put off simply because someone feels that a given choice was a poor one and it was a choice you've already made. My guess is that where anyone stands on the appropriateness of this exact example is a good indication of how they'll respond on BBS in general, whether they will be analytical (factual) or emotional posters.

[the who #3]

all dvcs are different for a reason. the owner's personality will usually fit the personality of the dvc they like best. that is one of the things that makes the world (wdw) such a great place.;)

my first dvc was ssr. i sold it because it just was not in an area that we preferred staying in. it is very beautiful.

my next dvc was bwv. i sold that one because the general attitude of the resort was not one that made the entire family feel as tho they belonged there. it was extremely beautiful, clean and comfortable and being able to walk out the door and get right on the boat was a plus.

we had stayed at ak several times before we became members and always loved it. therefore, we are founding members at akv. the only draw back is the difficulty in getting to the other locations, but you have to give the animals a natural and peaceful place to live and that takes a lot of space. we do love the animals and feel very fortunate to have them at ak.:goodvibes

we stayed at vwl one time and every member of our family felt at home the minute we got there and have since.. for that reason we bought resale at vwl and are very pleased and proud to be owners there.:love:

i just bought blt and have the feeling that we will love it. if not it, like all other dvcs, will resale. thats the great thing about dvc. when the rest of the timeshares of the world will not sell, dvc will. we are excited about :dance3: number 3.

i don't think we would be happy with vb or hh because we really love the parks and the whole mickey mouse world.

we stayed at okw once and really did love it but there again it was so far from the parks. and the buses were on time but had a long road to travel.

we have stayed at bcv several times and just love it. we will buy there when the right re-sale comes along. then our home away from home will be complete.:goodvibes unless i get that old add-on sickness again.

we also love the poly and might consider that if they every build dvc there.
:thumbsup2
i don't know anything about he tree houses yet. hummmm. that one is probably pretty neat.;)

[the who #3]

i don't think the pictures that were posted of the rooms at blt are very pretty. in fact they were kind of ugly. i don't think it will matter in the long run. there are too many other things to love besides room decor.;)

[boettj]

For me, I am glad there is variety in the different DVC resorts. Other wise, it would be bland, and DVC members would only being choosing where to own/stay based on convenience rather than what a resort has to offer. For us, we purchased at SSR originally for price. I love it now because of what it offers. My DW is still not sold on it. She would rather be at BCV. Simply for the pool. However, for me the pool is a short term desire. Our kids will grow out of it BCV's pool long before our timeshare ends.


We disagree, but when it comes down to it, we are at Disney. The room is mainly there to put our heads down at night, and an odd off day. Later when the kids are older, then it will mean something different. When I can actually get out and golf, or enjoy the spa.


Cheers