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blessedby3
09-18-2008, 06:22 PM
I am looking to remove dairy from my DD's (just about to turn 1) diet. She has had various issues (reflux, special hypoallergenic formula) and I have long wondered if she may have a milk allergy. One of the main concerns is that she never sleeps well and is up every night at least once and most times more. When I posted about helping her sleep I got some responses that people had kids with the same symptoms and their kids had a milk allergy. We are so exhausted and sleep deprived, including DD, that I wanted to see if removing dairy would make a difference.
All that said, my main question is what can and what cant I feed her. I know that if a label says it contains milk then obviously I cant give her that, but what other key words on the labels would be the same thing?
Also, what are some things she can snack on? She loves Ritz- are these okay? What about cereals? I am so overwhelmed. I did buy some rice milk today for her. She took one bottle of it earlier, but hasnt wanted anything to do with it since. Just sipped on it or refused it altogether. Thanks for any help and advice.

Ellester
09-18-2008, 06:38 PM
I know dairy hides under many labels. You may want to post over at the DIS-abilities board. I know many over there deal with food allergies/sensitivities. Good luck!

donac
09-18-2008, 06:58 PM
THere are a couple of websites out there that will tell you what to look on the label. Mynephew can't have dairy.

KirstenB
09-18-2008, 07:15 PM
I found Silk Soymilk in the Very Vanilla flavor to be an easy transition for our dd. If you don't mind her drinking something a little sweet, that might work. I haven't taken our dd totally off of dairy, rather I try to restrict it.

slo
09-18-2008, 07:17 PM
I feel your pain - my DD who's 5 still can't have a lot of dairy:sad2:

When I had to take my DD totally off dairy, I had to eliminate milk, anything with cheese, yogart, ice cream, frozen yogart, pudding, custard, and stuff like that. I did continue to give her items that were made with milk, like cake, bread, and stuff like that. My DD's problem is that to much dairy makes her very constipated - it's terrible!!!!!

Good luck, and talk to your Pediatrician, hopefully they can give you some much needed answers.

Oh.....I almost forgot, I give my DD Soy Milk. She seems to like it okay, but at the same time to, she has nothing to compare it too. Take care!!!:wizard:

Edited to add......
I reread your post, and you mentioned about reflux - does she have powerful spit-ups? My DD used to have projectiling spit-ups - it was crazy!!!!! Anyway, she was allergy tested, and she came out normal. So what my pediatrician said is that she's not allergic to dairy, but she has a very difficult time digesting dairy (this is better than allergic, because I know she's not going to have a fatal attack if she ingests it, she'll just be uncomfortable). Anyway, ask your pediatrician about this, and see what they say.

pweyl36
09-18-2008, 07:20 PM
You should talk with your childs ped,before you stop giving her dairy. Young children need the fat in milk also calcium.

Miss LD
09-18-2008, 07:22 PM
We took DS off dairy for quite awhile (we've re-introduced it slowly).
I can't totally remember what age you introduce all foods - we're just starting. But, some of the things that we had to cut included: chicken nuggets, and pretty much anything breaded because a lot of stuff is rolled in milk, many soups, cake, pancakes, waffles, some breads.
Also most sherbet has milk but sorbet doesn't.
I just started making tons of stuff at home because it's kind of easier.
If you can find a copy of the Whole Foods Allergy cookbook it's great because they have some really yummy recipes in there that don't use dairy.
The nice thing is that your baby is young enough that you can introduce/change the diet fairly easily still since she's not used to it.
My niece loves rice cheese/soy milk, etc because she never knew the alternative.

Jennia
09-18-2008, 08:46 PM
We also have a dd who is lactose intolerant. I talked to our ped about needing to give her a supplement since she wouldn't be receiving the fat contained in milk, and was told that she's also eating many solid foods that it wasn't too much of a concern (though I do give her some fatty food throughout the day just in case).
We use Silk Soymilk's Very Vanilla flavor which is fortified for children and she loves it, but she hated the Plain flavor and wouldn't drink it. For our dd, if she even drinks a few sips of real milk, she's a vomiting mess and is out of sorts for a few hours (cranky, acts like her tummy is hurting, etc).
There are many cheeses, spreads, and yogurts that are made lactose free. Look in the produce section by the veggie burgers and hotdogs.

princessmom29
09-18-2008, 09:03 PM
You really should talk to your ped before you remove all dairy. My DD had a lot of the same symptoms so we tried the no dairy thing and it didn't help. It was actually a malformation of the eustation tubes in her ears and not the dairy causing her poor sleeping habits. Once we took her off a bottle and gave her a sippy at a year it got MUCH better.

Pinkee77
09-18-2008, 09:16 PM
The Food Allergy and Anaphylaxis Network is a great resource. You can try this link ...... http://www.foodallergy.org/allergens/milk.html

When my daughter (now 8) was a year old I began to suspect she had a milk allergy. We went through the process of eliminating dairy (it's not as easy as it sounds). Just read the labels on everythng and in addition to things that say "milk" watch for ingredients like casein, caseinate, and whey - they are all milk by-products.

My daughter also like the Silk Very Vanilla soy milk. And she prefers the Silk brand of soy yogurt. You can also find recipes at their website: http://www.silksoymilk.com/AppetiteAppeal/Recipes.aspx

Hope this helps. Feel free to pm me if you want to know more about our experience with milk allergy.

jacksmomma
09-18-2008, 09:23 PM
Get yourself to a natural foods store! Places like Wild Oats and Trader Joe's are full of options for people who are LI or have a Dairy Allergy. My son is LI. He has soy milk, yogurt, and ice cream. He is fine with cheese and milk in cooked foods. When I was breastfeeding I had to watch my dairy intake too.

Also look at vegan cookbooks or websites. You will find TONS of recipes that will be great for your daughter! (Vegans do not consume any meat, dairy products, or eggs.) www.vegweb.com www.veganchef.com www.veganlunchbox.com Are all some good ones.

As far as it being bad for your daughter to not consume dairy, it is perfectly fine as long as she eats a balanced diet otherwise. Talk to your child's doctor, but all of the things she gets from milk can be found in other sources. (for example: Calcium can be found in dark greens and fortified juices, cereals, and soy milk; fats can be found in olive oil and avacado)

Good Luck! It seems daunting at first, but really cutting out dairy is pretty easy. :goodvibes

fortheluvofpooh
09-18-2008, 10:09 PM
for milk, you could also try rice milk, it is sweet. Not to sure on the rest though. good luck

Mouse House Mama
09-18-2008, 10:19 PM
I found Silk Soymilk in the Very Vanilla flavor to be an easy transition for our dd. If you don't mind her drinking something a little sweet, that might work. I haven't taken our dd totally off of dairy, rather I try to restrict it.


Be careful with soy and girls. Too much can elevate estrogen levels and that
is not good for girls. This is one of the main reasons we use Rice Milk instead.

You should talk with your childs ped,before you stop giving her dairy. Young children need the fat in milk also calcium.

This is actually partially false. Young children do need fat and calcium. However they do not need to get it from milk. There are many foods that are calcium rich. Your body has to use so much energy to process cow milk that the calcium that it actually absorbs is minimal.

You really should talk to your ped before you remove all dairy. My DD had a lot of the same symptoms so we tried the no dairy thing and it didn't help. It was actually a malformation of the eustation tubes in her ears and not the dairy causing her poor sleeping habits. Once we took her off a bottle and gave her a sippy at a year it got MUCH better.

I am glad that your DD is feeling better!
The Food Allergy and Anaphylaxis Network is a great resource. You can try this link ...... http://www.foodallergy.org/allergens/milk.html

When my daughter (now 8) was a year old I began to suspect she had a milk allergy. We went through the process of eliminating dairy (it's not as easy as it sounds). Just read the labels on everythng and in addition to things that say "milk" watch for ingredients like casein, caseinate, and whey - they are all milk by-products.

My daughter also like the Silk Very Vanilla soy milk. And she prefers the Silk brand of soy yogurt. You can also find recipes at their website: http://www.silksoymilk.com/AppetiteAppeal/Recipes.aspx

Hope this helps. Feel free to pm me if you want to know more about our experience with milk allergy.


Again- while soy is great - and we do eat some, you do have to not overdo it because too much is not good for girls.



OP- there are plenty of cereals out there that are good but have no dairy in them. I know you are probably overwhelmed right now but I can promise you that after a month you will be a pro at knowing exactly what you can and cannot feed her. There are so many great foods out there. You are doing a great job trying to help your child.:cutie:

SylviaL
09-18-2008, 10:49 PM
My oldest son was allergic to milk (he would get horrible hives). He drank goat's milk and ate goat's cheese until he grew out of it at age 4. Good luck.

czycropper
09-19-2008, 08:25 AM
That happened to my DD (now 8 1/2) and since I'm lactose intolerant the peds were not surprised, she's also allergic to egg whites.

I gave her rice milk and Lactaid and it really helped her. But please make sure that you discuss with your ped. She also had tubes in her ears at 10 months and then again at 20 months.

Good luck but it does get better! She's now a healthy 8 1/2 year old that knows NOT to drink regular milk, she has outgrown the egg whites allergy somewhat but I'm still very careful and limit her egg intake.

DISNEYFOS
09-19-2008, 09:42 AM
My oldest daughter was on Soy milk until she was about 3. Its calcium fortified.

My youngest (the one who had the sleep problems) really just didn't like the taste of soy...She's a little more opinionated about things so we didn't push it. We've switched to the Similac Toddler formula -Go and Grow. Its a powder that you mix with water. I met with my ped last week for her 14 month appt. and he said if the infant formula was cheaper we could do that instead..nutritionally its fine for their age. We are even doing the milk based one...He said that there are different amounts of milk proteins and lactose in cows milk vs milk-based formulas...So she could just not be ready for it. We are going to revisit again at 18 months.

She is still able to tolerate yogurt, cheese etc. So its really just the amount of proteins/lactose in Cows milk.

Good luck

blessedby3
09-19-2008, 09:59 AM
Thanks for the replies. We are going in for DD's 1 yr checkup in less than 2 weeks and I will be talking with the ped then. I figured I would do this "test" by taking out dairy and then we would have more to talk about at the visit as to how she did. I am not too concerned about doing this without the peds advice at this point since it is a very short time.
I did buy her the rice milk-as I have heard the same stories about soy and little girls and puberty early, etc.- but she only took one bottle yesterday and then wouldnt have anything to do with it. I did get her to take an 8oz bottle of the rice milk this morning so I guess I will just keep trying.
She has silent reflux and does not vomit as a PP asked. Lucky for us I guess. The restless sleep is the huge issue in our house. We had an even worse night last night for some reason. We havent slept through the night in a year now and DH and I are just walking in our sleep during the day. We have 3 other kids to take care of and DH works long hours at his job. I just need to figure out why DD cant sleep at night without waking so much and being so constantly restless. I truely dont think that people realize how little we actually sleep. People keep saying "this will pass", but its been a year and they arent living my life!!
Sorry for the rant- Im going on a couple (maybe) hours of sleep:scared1:

Mouse House Mama
09-19-2008, 10:38 AM
Keep in mind that it can take 2 weeks for the milk/dairy to leave her body. So you may not see results immediately. I also wouldn't worry about her not taking a bottle. As long as she is drinking and eating well it is not a problem. Good luck!

blessedby3
09-19-2008, 01:37 PM
Keep in mind that it can take 2 weeks for the milk/dairy to leave her body. So you may not see results immediately. I also wouldn't worry about her not taking a bottle. As long as she is drinking and eating well it is not a problem. Good luck!


Thanks, I figured it may take a bit. She is not a good eater, though. She is tiny- always in the 5%-8%. She was just shy of 17 pounds when I had her in for strep throat this past Sunday. She never eats much food at a sitting but I keep trying to get her to eat more. This should be an intresting 1 year check up. LOTS of questions and problems!! I better write down everything because Im so sleep deprived that I may forget!

Mouse House Mama
09-19-2008, 02:58 PM
Thanks, I figured it may take a bit. She is not a good eater, though. She is tiny- always in the 5%-8%. She was just shy of 17 pounds when I had her in for strep throat this past Sunday. She never eats much food at a sitting but I keep trying to get her to eat more. This should be an intresting 1 year check up. LOTS of questions and problems!! I better write down everything because Im so sleep deprived that I may forget!

Maybe this will change ger eating. It's possible that she feels yucky therefore doesn't really have an appetite. KWIM? I hope it all works out.:cutie:

bumbershoot
09-19-2008, 04:29 PM
OP, honestly I'd bypass the ped on this one. S/he isn't a nutrition expert. If you want info, GOOD info, on foods, get to a nutritionist/registered dietician with extra training in kids and who knows about avoiding dairy. Not all RDs have knowledge in avoiding dairy, so you'll want to vet them on the phone.

Casein, sodium caseinate (that last one is in Dole Whips by the way, so much for them being dairy free!) are both dairy byproducts. I have gone vegan a couple times, and I remember one time, I had finally gotten to a month. I had dropped weight (not that your daughter will, but it's MY problem with dairy) and had NO environmental allergies whatsoever, and one day I sat down to eat organic chips with a black bean dip, also organic. While munching, I started massively sneezing! I was shocked! Finally I got myself together and was able to read the label, and there was casein in it. So for me, once I rid myself of dairy, I get super-sensitive to the byproducts. Something to watch for.

Check out mothering dot com's discussion boards for their health/allergies section. There are many kids (and nursing moms) on elimination diets, and they can tell you all the things to watch for.


And don't worry about calcium. She'll probably have more calcium in her body once she dumps the dairy. Dairy takes more Ca to digest than it has in it, so is it any wonder that the dairy-eating countries have such high rates of osteoporosis? We eat something FOR the Ca that's actually leeching Ca from our bones! Crazy. :)

Also, some people with dairy issues have soy issues too. So soy isn't always an answer. And rice milk is practically junk food (I also hate it b/c I'm allergic to it, it makes my throat itch), so that might be out as well. But really, no one NEEDS a milk other than their own species' milk during the nursing years, so it's OK to have a child not drinking any sort of milk-like substance. :goodvibes

DISNEYFOS
09-19-2008, 04:43 PM
Thanks for the replies. We are going in for DD's 1 yr checkup in less than 2 weeks and I will be talking with the ped then. I figured I would do this "test" by taking out dairy and then we would have more to talk about at the visit as to how she did. I am not too concerned about doing this without the peds advice at this point since it is a very short time.
I did buy her the rice milk-as I have heard the same stories about soy and little girls and puberty early, etc.- but she only took one bottle yesterday and then wouldnt have anything to do with it. I did get her to take an 8oz bottle of the rice milk this morning so I guess I will just keep trying.
She has silent reflux and does not vomit as a PP asked. Lucky for us I guess. The restless sleep is the huge issue in our house. We had an even worse night last night for some reason. We havent slept through the night in a year now and DH and I are just walking in our sleep during the day. We have 3 other kids to take care of and DH works long hours at his job. I just need to figure out why DD cant sleep at night without waking so much and being so constantly restless. I truely dont think that people realize how little we actually sleep. People keep saying "this will pass", but its been a year and they arent living my life!!
Sorry for the rant- Im going on a couple (maybe) hours of sleep:scared1:

I so know where you are right now. We were at the same point. It was a year without sleep..We were at the end of our rope.

Its just my Ped's opinion but he aways said Cow's milk was overrated..there are many other good sources of Calcium...So I would just make sure she's getting it other ways if shes not doing to many bottles.
Good Luck!

happymommy
09-19-2008, 04:57 PM
My DS (now 11) was first diagnosed with dairy allergy (and egg, sesame, and peanut) at 8 months. Okay, he hadn't had any peanut or sesame, that had come through in breastmilk very early on. But anyway, he had an anaphylactic reaction to a teaspoon of milk in his cereal (I was going to try to introduce milk, he was on soy formula due to fussiness early on when I stopped nursing). I was so scared! He was swelling head to toe, vomiting, covered literally head to toe in hives! Thank God for the paramedics.

My DD had a different type of milk allergy, and had similar symptoms as your baby. She had reflux (and also bad messy poops), and I nursed her very long (and had to watch to not eat any dairy while doing so or I'd face the consequences). She was also very small, less than 20 pounds at one year old. She outgrew her allergy by age two (thank God!).

I would immediately go get a good allergist, and order a RAST test. It is a blood test, that will indicate with fair accuracy not only a yes or no to an allergy, but a number that can indicate to some degree the severity of it. My son still gets this done annually at Johns Hopkins.

Also, I'm not sure about soy. Kids in Asia (my DH is Korean) drink tons of soy milk, and they start puberty later than some cultures. My kids have been drinking soy milk (and we do as well) for 9 years. I guess I'm not saying it's good or bad, just whatever you decide. I know for me, it's good for my digestion, and the soy is good for my heart and for premenopausal symptoms. It's really recommended for women in their 40's (yikes, that's me!). Oh God I'm old!!!!!!!

I would do this before eliminating anything in the diet. You really need some clear answers first from a good pediatric allergist.

If you would like any more info on our experience, feel free to PM me. This is a big part of our lives, and we are grateful for two things. Only about 5% of kids outgrow peanut and sesame - my son did! Also, I am grateful for Disney - once we took him to WDW and saw how wonderful they were with his food allergies (now just milk and egg), I don't want to go anywhere else!

Also, I am grateful for the allergists at Johns Hopkins. My son was in a research study last year, and now can consume about 6 ounces of milk (only needing some benedryl) where before that would have probably been fatal to him. We're still working on it; he was only one of the two in the study that weren't potentially cured. He's just taking longer.

I also recommend the book his doctor wrote "Food Allergies for Dummies" by Dr. Robert Wood.

Mouse House Mama
09-19-2008, 07:52 PM
Also, some people with dairy issues have soy issues too. So soy isn't always an answer. And rice milk is practically junk food (I also hate it b/c I'm allergic to it, it makes my throat itch), so that might be out as well. But really, no one NEEDS a milk other than their own species' milk during the nursing years, so it's OK to have a child not drinking any sort of milk-like substance. :goodvibes


I am sorry but you are wrong. You have an issue with it but it is not junk food. It is also a dairy free food. Trust me, we have a dairy free house and if you are allergic to it, it could be something else in it. Not all rice milks are the same however they do not have dairy in them so you might want to look into what it is that you are allergic to. Not to flame and all but rice milk is not practically junk food. I do agree with you in that we do not NEED (cow etc.) milk at all. The reason many have an issue with soy is that soy breaks down much in the same way that milk does.

gr8leg8
09-19-2008, 11:29 PM
could someone please say more about soy?
DD is a Silk drinker,

I am a little concerned now...

if there are sources I could follow up with...

GoofyG
09-19-2008, 11:45 PM
I see a lot of people have posted. If you are interested, just P.M. me! I have a now 2 yr old that is allergic to milk. it's been a yr since we took her off milk. At a yr she weighed 15lbs. REFLUX! Among other things. She doesn't eat ANY food with milk in it.
I will second that DIsney is GREAT for the food allergy. I feel at peace when we eat there.:thumbsup2
Just let me know if you're interested. It is overwhelming ate first.

Oh, they just took my DS who is 4mos off milk. So no milk for me, and soy formula!

disneymomof2boyz
09-20-2008, 12:04 AM
My son (3) has a sensitivity to cow's milk, whenever he drinks it his nose runs, and he wheezes. So I have taken everyone in our family off cow's milk, and we currently drink almond milk. It's a little pricier than rice and soy, but I felt more at peace about it b/c of the nutrients and vitamins in it. I don't like rice milk simply b/c it's kinda chalky, and it also has very little nutrients and protien. Soy is not good for boys, I read somewhere that an 8oz glass of soy has the equivalent estrogen (in a different form) in 1 birth control pill. :scared: So, no soy for our boys!

Miss LD
09-20-2008, 06:31 AM
My son (3) has a sensitivity to cow's milk, whenever he drinks it his nose runs, and he wheezes. So I have taken everyone in our family off cow's milk, and we currently drink almond milk. It's a little pricier than rice and soy, but I felt more at peace about it b/c of the nutrients and vitamins in it. I don't like rice milk simply b/c it's kinda chalky, and it also has very little nutrients and protien. Soy is not good for boys, I read somewhere that an 8oz glass of soy has the equivalent estrogen (in a different form) in 1 birth control pill. :scared: So, no soy for our boys!

My son is allowed some dairy, but I'm not keen on overdoing it.
We tried rice and soy milk, but he hated them. So, we tried the Almond Milk and he loves it.
We put it in smoothies all the time.
But ... recently in our local grocery stores they have put soy, rice & almond milk all at the same price point. So, maybe you will see the price lowering as well. I was pleasantly surprised.
I was also trying to go organic (which we've done pretty well with) and I've noticed that in the last few months the organics are often the same price or only slightly more than the non-organic.

Mouse House Mama
09-20-2008, 08:25 AM
could someone please say more about soy?
DD is a Silk drinker,

I am a little concerned now...

if there are sources I could follow up with...
I tried to find you some links but to be honest there are so many out there I didn't know which to chose. It is bad for boys too so girls are not the only ones who have to watch. I think in moderation it can be fine. Our kids just don't like many soy products. I still limit it though. You can google "soy bad for kids" and you will get many doctors findings. From what I have read it can cause early puberty in girls and infertility in boys. Once source state that an infant on soy formula was getting the estrogen equivalent of 5 birth control pills a day. :scared1: Now I am not giving scare tactics so please don't take it that way. I am just saying that you have to read through it and make a decision based on all of it. Some of the stuff I have read seems a little ooky at best but some of it is consistent in every single doctor's findings. So look through the info and see where you fall in. Also, not every ped is updated on this info so sometimes talking to your ped is not very helpful. Ours are wonderful but they never picked up on our child's dairy issue. I was the one who figured it out. So remember, you know your child best. Good luck!

Mouse House Mama
09-20-2008, 08:27 AM
My son is allowed some dairy, but I'm not keen on overdoing it.
We tried rice and soy milk, but he hated them. So, we tried the Almond Milk and he loves it.
We put it in smoothies all the time.
But ... recently in our local grocery stores they have put soy, rice & almond milk all at the same price point. So, maybe you will see the price lowering as well. I was pleasantly surprised.
I was also trying to go organic (which we've done pretty well with) and I've noticed that in the last few months the organics are often the same price or only slightly more than the non-organic.

We do organic too and I have noticed the prices coming down. I personally think that we are just buying the food that we ate as kids except now it is organic because everything else has so much junk in it!:rolleyes:

Elmo888
09-20-2008, 09:12 PM
Ugh. I just did a quick search on "soy milk girls" and found lots of negative stuff.

DD8 seems to be lactose intolerent, so we give her soy milk. She still has dairy, but just in moderation. If she wants to drink milk or have cereal, it is soy. If she wants yogurt or cheese, it is dairy. This just started in the spring because of stomach problems.

Now, I wonder. I know that you can prove anything with the internet, but it does bother me.

After the ads, these were the first two articles. And I didn't search on anything negative.

http://www.mothering.com/articles/growing_child/food/soy_story.html

http://westonaprice.org/soy/onewoman.html

Ugh. Again.

happymommy
09-21-2008, 06:47 AM
could someone please say more about soy?
DD is a Silk drinker,

I am a little concerned now...

if there are sources I could follow up with...

There is no evidence that soy does any harm. Some folks worry about it, but if you look at Asian countries, they consume lots of soy, and have much less menopause symptoms, longer life span (Japan) and they don't start puberty any earlier.

Be careful of the sources of what you are reading, especially on the internet. There are many websites that have misinformation.

laughinplace199
09-21-2008, 10:29 AM
I haven't read all of the responses, but I would suggest checking out FAAN's website - I think it's www.foodallergy.org. They'll have info on how to read labels for milk ingredients.

When my youngest DS was an infant, we suspected a milk allergy. His pediatrician said that 40% of kids who are allergic to milk are also allergic to soy, so he put him on Nutramigen. When his first birthday came, we had him allergy tested for milk and soy, and they both came back negative. So, if your little one does have an allergy, hopefully she will outgrow it.

npmommie
09-21-2008, 11:54 AM
There is no evidence that soy does any harm. Some folks worry about it, but if you look at Asian countries, they consume lots of soy, and have much less menopause symptoms, longer life span (Japan) and they don't start puberty any earlier.

Be careful of the sources of what you are reading, especially on the internet. There are many websites that have misinformation.

asian countries are not taking in large amounts of processed soy ( like soy milk, soy burgers ,etc) they primarily use fermented soy products.

my kids love almond milk and rice milk.
almond milk is more creamy. the blue diamond brand is good and reasonable priced at trader joes.

disneymomof2boyz
09-21-2008, 10:49 PM
asian countries are not taking in large amounts of processed soy ( like soy milk, soy burgers ,etc) they primarily use fermented soy products.

my kids love almond milk and rice milk.
almond milk is more creamy. the blue diamond brand is good and reasonable priced at trader joes.

Completely agree...Asian countries are not eating soy like we are. There are plenty of studies out there, and my opinion is that even if there aren't negative reports we have to be careful....now, when there are more than 1 or 2 negative reports saying the same thing.....STAY AWAY:scared: