Want to "trade up" to a TT but not sure what a 3/4 ton tow vehicle means

[musicmama]

You've heard from me before - and provided some terrific answers - so I'm reaching out to you camping gurus yet again.

DH, DD and I want to go from our 29' no slide Class C to a Travel trailer, so that DD can have her own "room" and so that I don't have to drive separately when we go camping or rent a car when we're there. Our MH really doesn't have the best setup to try towing the car, although the previous owners left their hitch (which we had removed because we couldn't pull out of the yard with it on) and had apparently towed once or twice with it.

So -- went to the Hershey, PA RV show yesterday (it'll be on Travel Channel or one of those in a few weeks as it's a pretty big show) and found 3 TTs and configurations we really liked. All of them seem to require "3/4 ton" to tow as they are 30' - 36' trailers and 7000 - 8500lb.

Here's my question - what is a "3/4 ton vehicle"? Is it a big truck? Is it a big honkin' SUV? (I know it's not my Santa Fe.) Do those of you with TTs have a special tow vehicle?

Any and all info provided will be very much appreciated. Chances are, we'll be looking into a used version of whatever we need. But we need to know what to look for without walking into a dealer or checking Craigslist and getting taken advantage of.

[2goofycampers]

With a TT of that weight, you will need a 2500 diesel truck to pull it well.

[bigdisneydaddy]

I have a 32 ft double slide outback that weighs almost 9000# when loaded. I tow with a 2500HD crew cab diesel chevy.

You will absolutely need a 3/4 ton truck when pulling a trailer that big. IMHO anything over 27 foot with any slides is not safe with a 1/2 ton.

The cost of s 3/4 ton can be considerable. In any cab configuration they are expensive to buy and keep fueled. If it is neccesary to drive it as a daily commute vehicle it will start to add up. I am lucky that I have another, older 1/2 ton that I use for communting. Although me diesel gets the same mileage as the 1/2 ton the fuel is more expensive and it would cost me more to insure the 3/4 if I drove it to work regularly.

A lot depends on your situation and how much you would need to use the truck to commute, my wife doesnt like driving mine because of the size and manueverability, its not easy to park a truck this big.

If you are serious, go drive a couple different ones and see what you think.

Personally I wont tow with anything other than a diesel anymore. All of the big 3 make a gas engine that is suitable for towing that big, I just like the power of the diesel and the economy when towing.

Happy hunting

[bigdisneydaddy]

I think that the 09 Chevy 2500 has a new 6.2 gas that can be coupled to a 6 speed and is probably the closest to the driveability of a diesel while still staying with a gasser.

[medic9016]

3/4 ton trucks are usually in the 250 series, Dodge 2500, Ford F250, Chevrolet/GMC 2500. The differences are axles (front/rear), tranfer case, tranny(if V8/V10/diesel),springs, frame hieght. It is a little more heavy duty than a 1/2 ton. The body style and interiors are pretty much the same.

[vick]

Here's my question - what is a "3/4 ton vehicle"? Is it a big truck? Is it a big honkin' SUV? (I know it's not my Santa Fe.) Do those of you with TTs have a special tow vehicle?


A 3/4 ton is referencing a Ford F250, or Chevy 2500 pickup trucks. And whatever the Dodge equilivant is. I agree, get diesel. The 2500 gassers use too much gas and don't have the power of diesel.

[musicmama]

Wow - you guys sure are quick! Thanks. Those are definitely big vehicles - especially compared to DH's Sentra and my Santa Fe.

Given that DH and I both drive 100mi + per day, this would NOT be a regular use vehicle. So it will be a pretty big step for us - the trade-in on the MH will pretty much cover the trailer cost, so we would really need to finance the tow. Or, the trade-in on the MH would have to cover at least half of the tow and we'd need a really good rate on the trailer. I know that it's not the most practical idea to buy a tow that doesn't get used often, but our commutes would cost a fortune with what you're talking about.

Diesel vehicles have "more power" but use more fuel (and diesel is more $$ than gas), right?

[medic9016]

Diesel vehicles have "more power" but use more fuel (and diesel is more $$ than gas), right?

I get better MPG with my Dodge 2500 Diesel 20.5 mpg as compared to my previous Dodge 1500 V8 17.0 mpg. I commute 84 mile round trip om 4 lane highway and very little city driving. My diesel is pretty much stock except for the cold air intake and K&N air filter.

[2goofycampers]

Diesel vehicles have "more power" but use more fuel (and diesel is more $$ than gas), right?

Yes diesl has more power, but get better fuel mileage than gas especially when towing.
We resisted buying a diesel truck for many years. Wish now we hadn't been so bullheaded. The difference is amazing.

[the5coops]

You've heard from me before - and provided some terrific answers - so I'm reaching out to you camping gurus yet again.

DH, DD and I want to go from our 29' no slide Class C to a Travel trailer, so that DD can have her own "room" and so that I don't have to drive separately when we go camping or rent a car when we're there. Our MH really doesn't have the best setup to try towing the car, although the previous owners left their hitch (which we had removed because we couldn't pull out of the yard with it on) and had apparently towed once or twice with it.

So -- went to the Hershey, PA RV show yesterday (it'll be on Travel Channel or one of those in a few weeks as it's a pretty big show) and found 3 TTs and configurations we really liked. All of them seem to require "3/4 ton" to tow as they are 30' - 36' trailers and 7000 - 8500lb.

Here's my question - what is a "3/4 ton vehicle"? Is it a big truck? Is it a big honkin' SUV? (I know it's not my Santa Fe.) Do those of you with TTs have a special tow vehicle?

Any and all info provided will be very much appreciated. Chances are, we'll be looking into a used version of whatever we need. But we need to know what to look for without walking into a dealer or checking Craigslist and getting taken advantage of.


We were looking into a truck when buying our 3/4 ton vehicle. We decided on a 3/4 ton Suburban instead and a smaller camper with a rear slide (which makes it 30 ft). We also got the 4.10 rear gears. DH uses the Suburban as his daily car. It would be nice to have a diesel however Chevy doesn't make a diesel Suburban.

Shelley

[LONE-STAR]

If looking for a diesel truck I have a 05 1 ton ford diesel 6.0 4x4 good truck. But my mpg is never more then 12 mpg tank avg. My DW drives a 05 4x4 3/4 ton dodge diesel 5.9 and she gets 19mpg tank avg and her dodge will out pull my ford but my ford is more comfortable.

[vick]

Diesel gets quite a bit better mpg than a gasser. We spent more money on gas driving a 2500 gas truck 2 years ago for our trip to Disney than we did driving a 3500 dually diesel this August. And, gas prices were quite a bit cheaper 2 years ago.

[njcamper95]

I would weigh it out the one thing no one has mentioned yet ie the price difference most diesels are going to be 6000-9000 more on the price tag also thats alot of gas just looked at a dodge the other day 6100 for the diesel alone thats a lot of gas right know i have a dodge 1/2 ton pulling my camper yeah it only gets about 14 mpg around town but pulling my 32 ft camper to disney it got 9 mpg my campers dry weight is only 6040 so its pretty lite max gvwr is 9000 trucks max is 8500 and it pulls it easy yeah the diesel in the 3/4ton will pull it easier but if you are looking to cut cost you may want to buy a gas motor plus they start in cold weather easier and with the short trip i make to work 10 min it barely warms up which i thought was not good on a diesel they were made to be run and that short trips weren't good and sitting wasn't good either so to spend extra for a vechicle to sit doesn't seem to make sense if you are gong to use it daily on longer trips so it's not just a tow vechicle then it may pay off

[njcamper95]

Best bet is get some paper work from dealers and decide what your budget is and what options are needed and what aren't

[stacktester]

I have a 32 ft double slide outback that weighs almost 9000# when loaded. I tow with a 2500HD crew cab diesel chevy.

You will absolutely need a 3/4 ton truck when pulling a trailer that big. IMHO anything over 27 foot with any slides is not safe with a 1/2 ton.

Personally I wont tow with anything other than a diesel anymore. All of the big 3 make a gas engine that is suitable for towing that big, I just like the power of the diesel and the economy when towing.


The above poster has done tons of homework on your question and he will be glad to give you advice in the future when the time comes.

I pull with the same truck except mine is 2WD rather than 4WD. No matter what combo you go with it's going to cost more than previous years to operate because Diesel has gone up so much. Right now it's a buyers market because of the economy. My neighbor sells for Suncoast and he tells me of some really amazing sales his dealer has done just to sell a unit. Trucks are the same way. You can name your price and walk away, and the dealer will call you and try anything to work a deal. Be careful not to fall in the oh heck yeah that truck will pull it. You never want a truck in front of a camper it cannot control on the highway. I hear people all the time say but I got the towing package and we're having a brake controller installed.

[bigdisneydaddy]

I would weigh it out the one thing no one has mentioned yet ie the price difference most diesels are going to be 6000-9000 more on the price tag also thats alot of gas just looked at a dodge the other day 6100 for the diesel alone thats a lot of gas right know i have a dodge 1/2 ton pulling my camper yeah it only gets about 14 mpg around town but pulling my 32 ft camper to disney it got 9 mpg my campers dry weight is only 6040 so its pretty lite max gvwr is 9000 trucks max is 8500 and it pulls it easy yeah the diesel in the 3/4ton will pull it easier but if you are looking to cut cost you may want to buy a gas motor plus they start in cold weather easier and with the short trip i make to work 10 min it barely warms up which i thought was not good on a diesel they were made to be run and that short trips weren't good and sitting wasn't good either so to spend extra for a vechicle to sit doesn't seem to make sense if you are gong to use it daily on longer trips so it's not just a tow vechicle then it may pay off


My Duramax starts every single time without fail and we had a pretty severe winter last year. The only time a modern diesel engine will have trouble is if its not maintained and or operating properly.

[bigdisneydaddy]

some of the major differences between 1/2 ton and 3/4 ton would be:
(note 3/4 is always bigger)

brakes
axles
axle bearings
differentials
springs
frame
weight capacity of tires
suspension and some steering parts


Physically a 2500HD chevy will be taller than a standard 2500 or a 1500 (1/2 ton) the HD series is built to accomodate the Allison transmission and must have the body mounted up higher so that the larger transmission will not hit the floor of the truck.

Do you have any brand loyalty ? anything you are considering more than others ?

While some 1/2 tons will have ratings that go upwards of 8000 lbs, my personal opinion is that the manufacturers have pushed these ratings to an un realistic range

[musicmama]

Do you have any brand loyalty ? anything you are considering more than others ?

While some 1/2 tons will have ratings that go upwards of 8000 lbs, my personal opinion is that the manufacturers have pushed these ratings to an un realistic range

Brand loyalty -- well, I've owned Chevy, Dodge, Jeep (before it was Dodge) and Hyundai (since 2003). DH has owned Ford, Dodge, Mitsubishi and Nissan. Our Class C is a Ford (E-250) and it is very reliable. These days, I'm loyal to price first. The TTs are Jayco Jay Flight, Wilderness, Denali and maybe Sandpiper. As far as tow vehicle, I was kinda hoping that somebody would suggest the big honkin' SUV only because I think I could handle that better than the truck - and it would have a back seat, which we need for DD and our Bella puppy. I'm only 5' but DH is 6'1, so he wouldn't have trouble with the size, but I'm pretty sure that the 2500HDs you've referred to are a little taller than I am!

One of the salesguys yesterday admitted that the one 32' TT we looked at was advertised as 1/2 ton but realistically needed the bigger vehicle. We were surprised with his honesty. DH and I are not knowledgeable about any of the things you listed, which is what brought me to this board. The knowledge here far outweighs any of our friends, and I'm not ready to get my DBIL and DBro involved right now (both are mechanics, but if I ask one and not the other, somebody will take offense). Besides, DBro is a very bad negotiator and DBIL will only 'buy the best and damn the cost'.

We're at the investigation stage right now, most likely we won't be able to do much before next year unless we win the lottery. But I like to plan and if I know what we're looking for, then I can start saving accordingly. Our current MH is paid for, so whatever we are offered is all downpayment.

Let me ask this -- is there anybody here who rents their tow vehicle when they go camping? Or is that a dumb question? (feel free to be honest)

[stacktester]

Never saw a rented TV. The big rental company's don't put hitches on trucks because they don't want them towing for at least 2 reasons. One is because of liability from people towing who don't know what they're doing. 2nd is because the damage it could cause to the vehicle if it's not rated to pull.

You can always go with an Expedition, Excursion (Diesel) preferably or a Suburban if you like the closed back feeling better. Right now is a great time to buy a truck like that because dealers have plenty of new and used one nobody wants lol.

[Us3]

We use to tow with a K2500 GMC Suburban (gas w/big block 454 engine) and I really loved having room in the cab! :thumbsup2 I love having a lot of comfortable room for us, the kids and the dogs if they are with us. On the negative side, that means anything you take with you will have to go in the camper or in the TV. So if you like to take bikes, you may want to consider getting a trailer with a large door to put the bikes in etc. We also like to take a fire pit with us and I wouldn't want it in the trailer or the TV. :scared:

Have fun researching and good luck!

[bigdisneydaddy]

You could pull the 32 ft with a gas Suburban 2500 or a Ford Excursion, you may find a decent deal on the Ford and still be able to get the diesel.

[musicmama]

Wow, there really are a lot of choices out there. I think the only other area I have to explore is the hitch, and I'm not quite ready for that.

I've got lots of stuff to look at (truck, SUV, diesel, gas, HD or not, transmissions, etc.) and that's what I needed. Now I get to go price shopping and start my vehicle savings fund.

It's true - be careful what you wish for - I wished for info and I got it in spades. Y'all are THE BEST!

Guess I can finish planning for the non-camping vacation now.

[LONE-STAR]

If you are buying used and want a SUV then I would get a 2000 to a 2003 Excursion with a 7.3 diesel. Some 2003 and newer will have a 6.0. The 7.3 is a much better motor with less problems. I have had both motors and would love to have my 7.3 back. But if a truck will do nothing will pull like a dodge with a 5.9 diesel and get as good mpg. If you want more room in a truck then go for a 2006 or a 2007 mega cab.(in 2007 only the trucks made through March had a 5.9)

[LarryJ]

You've heard from me before - and provided some terrific answers - so I'm reaching out to you camping gurus yet again.

DH, DD and I want to go from our 29' no slide Class C to a Travel trailer, so that DD can have her own "room" and so that I don't have to drive separately when we go camping or rent a car when we're there. Our MH really doesn't have the best setup to try towing the car, although the previous owners left their hitch (which we had removed because we couldn't pull out of the yard with it on) and had apparently towed once or twice with it.

So -- went to the Hershey, PA RV show yesterday (it'll be on Travel Channel or one of those in a few weeks as it's a pretty big show) and found 3 TTs and configurations we really liked. All of them seem to require "3/4 ton" to tow as they are 30' - 36' trailers and 7000 - 8500lb.

Here's my question - what is a "3/4 ton vehicle"? Is it a big truck? Is it a big honkin' SUV? (I know it's not my Santa Fe.) Do those of you with TTs have a special tow vehicle?

Any and all info provided will be very much appreciated. Chances are, we'll be looking into a used version of whatever we need. But we need to know what to look for without walking into a dealer or checking Craigslist and getting taken advantage of.

I won't get into the TVs yet, but you mentioned 3 TTs which were 30' - 36' trailers and 7000 - 8500lbs. Often those wts are "dry wts" which are basically meaningless and a marketing ploy to show unrealistic low wts for trailers. I'm betting that these will weigh anywhere from 9000 to 10,000+ and have tongue wts well north of 1,000lbs. For starters can you give use the actual make and model of the trailers you liked?

If my above guess is correct with a few exceptions you're into the older 8.1 big block Chevy/GMC and the Ford V10 for gassers or many flavors of the diesels. The new Ford 6.4L diesel gets terrible fuel mileage.

There are many, many factors in matching a TV to a particular TT and I would recommend you start lurking and reading as much as you can on something like RV.NET where the breath of experience and knowledge base is considerably larger than here.

Just remember the old say about TT or Car salesmen when talking about towing .... "if their lips are moving they're lying" :sad2:

Larry

[stacktester]

I don't think it's going to take a rocket scientist to set you up with a tow vehicle to pull a trailer. One important thing to mention too is, what is your budget?

[disney4dan]

Let me ask this -- is there anybody here who rents their tow vehicle when they go camping? Or is that a dumb question? (feel free to be honest)

Yes, there is at least one outfit I know of that rents Dodge 3/4 ton trucks with the Cummins diesel engine and will set it up for towing with an electric brake controller. That is how Nancy and I got into this, and I still wish I could afford the diesel package. We rented a 29 foot TT and towed it from Salt Lake City, UT through the Grand Tetons to Yellowstone National Park in 2006. The cost for the Dodge rental was around $500 for 9 days and included 200 miles per day. The trailer was about $880 for 9 days (insurance and daily use items like bedding and dishes were extra). It was a great way to start, but I caution you, I had experience towing before this trip and knew how to handle this combo. I just wish the people at the RV rental place had adjusted the trailer ball height correctly (it was set too high).

The truck rental place - http://www.ruggedrental.com
The trailer rental place - http://www.accessrv.com

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To answer the other questions, 3/4 ton is the "listed" weight for what the truck can carry in the bed, but you will find huge ranges for each truck, even with the same manufacturer. Some 3/4 ton trucks can carry more than others, check the door post on the drivers side. A 3/4 ton should be able to carry 1,500 pounds in the bed in theory. That does not account for passengers, optional equipment, yadda yadda yadda. If you are seriously looking at trailers in the size you mentioned, I would recommend a 1 ton truck and get the 8 foot long bed and 4 door cab for the added wheelbase. Will be very stable on the highway. Won't be fun in a parking lot, but...

[bigdisneydaddy]

Wow, there really are a lot of choices out there. I think the only other area I have to explore is the hitch, and I'm not quite ready for that.

I've got lots of stuff to look at (truck, SUV, diesel, gas, HD or not, transmissions, etc.) and that's what I needed. Now I get to go price shopping and start my vehicle savings fund.

It's true - be careful what you wish for - I wished for info and I got it in spades. Y'all are THE BEST!

Guess I can finish planning for the non-camping vacation now.

The hitch isnt all that complicated, alomost any truck in this size range will already have an adequate receiver for that size trailer. Unless you have a very large budget you will end up with a Reese dual cam or an Equalizer, both are weight distributing hitches that also provide sway control. The vast majority of RVers use these two brands.

[musicmama]

The TTs are Jayco Jay Flight, Wilderness LE and LA and Denali (and maybe Sandpiper). They are all bunkhouse models with the loft/sofa type setup. We're still learning about this - I have lurked at RV.net also, and this board has been the easiest to understand (for me, at least). I can see "loaded weight" on the specs, but I don't understand what "tongue weight" is that LarryJ mentioned. Is that the weight of the hitch?

I do not have a really large budget - our MH is valued at around $16k, so that's the TV trade as it appears I'm looking somewhere north of $40k for that - hopefully less if we can get a good deal or used, based on the suggestions so far.

I admit we know very little in this area, other than we'd like to trade up because of the "room issue" and the "extra vehicle issue", but we're trying to learn. We were lucky enough to be able to purchase our 1996 Class C outright, which gives us the freedom to consider the switch. DBILs and DSis felt we'd be much safer with a single vehicle (less to go wrong) and for DH to be able to learn how to drive something bigger than a car. He's done pretty well, but we know there's a big difference between a handling a Class C and towing a trailer.

I am immensely grateful for the patience and honesty that the members of this board have shown. It's clear that you all love camping and are willing to help others.

[jugman]

You can get a new TV for alot less than 40k, unless you want every option that is available. If you look you can pick up a used one for under 30k. Go to myrvtalk.com and look. They have both TV's and trailers for sale by owners.

[musicmama]

You can get a new TV for alot less than 40k, unless you want every option that is available. If you look you can pick up a used one for under 30k. Go to myrvtalk.com and look. They have both TV's and trailers for sale by owners.

Thanks. That's a site I've never heard of. Will check it out.

[LarryJ]

I don't think it's going to take a rocket scientist to set you up with a tow vehicle to pull a trailer. One important thing to mention too is, what is your budget?

Maybe not a rocket scientist, but IMHO a lot more diverse input from more than 10 or so of us here that tow TTs (a lot have MH and 5ers) than we can give her here with our limited resources.

I think I will wait till she posts over on something like RV.NET with her questions/concerns.

Larry

[bigdisneydaddy]

Maybe not a rocket scientist, but IMHO a lot more diverse input from more than 10 or so of us here that tow TTs (a lot have MH and 5ers) than we can give her here with our limited resources.

I think I will wait till she posts over on something like RV.NET with her questions/concerns.

Larry


What are we Larry ? chopped liver ?
I think you are selling us a little short.

[BigDaddyRog]

Yes...chopped liver! Not prime rib, like Larry.....who has refused his expert input until her question is asked on some other website, directing web traffic away from the DISBOARDS!!!!


I have learned as much, if not more than the OP from this thread....I thank everyone who wasnt too stuck up to lend their honest opinions and knowledge by way of experience. You guys rock!.....well, most of you rock, Im just not in the mood to go to other websites for stale, cut quick, sterile answers.

[bigdisneydaddy]

Considering that part of my job includes managing a fleet of 22 vehicles with a replacement value over $3 million dollars, including 3 large trailers I think I have a little something to offer. ;)

Heck, even Donnie thinks I know what I am talking about.....

[BigDaddyRog]

Sounds like a worthy source to me.

[Gatordad]

Thanks. That's a site I've never heard of. Will check it out.

Considering that part of my job includes managing a fleet of 22 vehicles with a replacement value over $3 million dollars, including 3 large trailers I think I have a little something to offer. ;)

Heck, even Donnie thinks I know what I am talking about.....

Not good enough for some people, who are too cool for the community board..... I trust you Scott, I just ignore you.

[bigdisneydaddy]

thats okay Pete, I am getting used to it. ;)

[Gatordad]

Maybe you should change your name to stupendous disney daddy.

[des1954]

Not good enough for some people, who are too cool for the community board..... I trust you Scott, I just ignore you.

I, for one, trust Donnie completely. I've seen him back a 5'er into a FtW site in record time!! In conversing with Donnie, he has a lot of knowledge and experience with all sorts of large trucks, trailers, etc. (Now, he stinks with a blender - but that's another subject :rotfl2: )

I also trust Scott. I don't know why I do, but it's my intuition! He seems to have the right answer when he chimes in. Otherwise, I don't see him post anything if he doesn't have something worthy to say. :thumbsup2

I've also seen some pretty questionable "do it yourself" fixes published in Trailer Life and Motor Home magazine. Just 'cause it's published in a national magazine, doesn't make it true or good.

AND... NEVER, EVER trust what a salesman tells you about vehicle tow rating. Most of them have never towed a kid's Radio Flyer, let alone a TT or 5'er. The same goes for RV salesmen. They are there at the dealership for one thing only, and that is a commission! I know. My DH worked for 2 car dealers & an RV dealership. Dealers need sales people - and not necessarily educated sale people. At most car & RV dealerships the average sales person stays 6-8 months before moving to the next job. That's how long it takes them to realize they are getting screwed on commission by the dealership owners. (Lazy Days may be the one & only exception to this. They seem to keep sales people.)

Always check the owner's manual for the tow rating. If you can, weigh your TT or MH when it's fully loaded before going any distance to make sure you're not over-loaded.

[jugman]

I have another site that sells repo's, www.commonwealthboatbrokers.com. They had a nice TT on there ealier today. The banks will take your offer and consider it. As far as the TV the diesel will pull better, but if you are not going to use it much then I might go with the gas.

[g8trmom1]

Heck, I think the people here know a ton about this! RVnet is nice but I agree with Rog about that site.

As far as a trailer...I would look into a fifth wheel as opposed to a trailer. They handle better when you are driving, or so my DH says.

[LONE-STAR]

As far as a trailer...I would look into a fifth wheel as opposed to a trailer. They handle better when you are driving, or so my DH says.

We have had both types of trailers. We had a 5er but we went to a a TT toyhauler because I wanted the bed of my truck back. That being said my 5er did tow a little better but it was smaller. From bumper to hitch my TT is 36' long weighs 12000 loaded 8000 empty and 1300 pounds of tongue weight. I have a single wheel 1 ton ford 4x4 which handles the weight with no problem using a 14000 pound Equilizer hitch.

[disney4dan]

We have had both types of trailers. We had a 5er but we went to a a TT toyhauler because I wanted the bed of my truck back. That being said my 5er did tow a little better but it was smaller. From bumper to hitch my TT is 36' long weighs 12000 loaded 8000 empty and 1300 pounds of tongue weight. I have a single wheel 1 ton ford 4x4 which handles the weight with no problem using a 14000 pound Equilizer hitch.

I've heard this from a few folks about wanting to have the bed of the truck for storage, including folks who would want to come over and check out the rental Dodge diesel we used in Yellowstone. Funny, nobody wants to come over and check out the Tundra! (Anyone who's spent time on the RV.net boards knows how sensitive a subject that can be). Back to the subject of having the truck bed for storage, I like the idea of keeping things like Coleman fuel and firewood away from the trailer. Also - nice to have the tool box for things like a heavy duty jack, tools, and spare parts you might need along the road.

If I had a little more "disposable income", I probably would have chosen a diesel tow vehicle, and was seriously considering the Dodge Cummins. The 2006 that we rented was getting over 22 mpg travelling around Yellowstone when not towing the trailer, and was getting 14 mpg towing the trailer through the mountains. I kept running the numbers day in and day out and it was a close call on the extra $$ for the diesel vs. the fuel cost at the time. My parents have owned a fair amount of Ford diesels, and they have averaged around 16 to 18 mpg daily driving, and also get 14 towing large loads. They are thinking about the new Ford diesel, but we've heard horror stories on low fuel economy.

[MadFF]

A lot of advice here, so I'll just throw in some more.

"80% rule". This is a "rule of thumb" that many use when considering tow vehicles and trailers. Don't go over 80% of the tow vehicles tow rating. If your TV can tow 10,000lbs, don't get a trailer that has a loaded, or gross, weight of over 8,000lbs. This will give you plenty of "cushion" with your TV, for the weight of passengers and stuff in the bed of the truck (like firewood!), weight can add up quick. Yes, you certainly can get a trailer that weighs in right at the limit of your TV, but the truck will be working hard.

Engine size. In general, even with today's smaller engines that are rated for more power, the bigger the engine the BETTER the fuel mileage you will get towing. Yes, big engines get lower fuel mileage driving around town empty, but when towing, you still can't beat cubic inches (showing my age... I guess I should say liters!). Diesels are expensive, but wonderful for towing, and get great fuel mileage while towing compared to gas. If you are trying to figure out costs and value for the dollar, it will take years to "pay off" the cost of a diesel engine. If you tow a lot, diesel IS certainly worth it. A big gas engine, like a Ford V-10, will get better fuel mileage while towing than a smaller gas engine (it may not make sense, but I've found this to be true time and time again). That may be something to think about if you are not towing a lot... get a big gas engine.

Crew Cab. If you need the seating room, look at pickup truck Crew Cabs! LOTS of room, and you still have the bed of the truck to put bicycles and firewood in. That is why we just got a 2008 F250 CrewCab with a short bed... I needed seating room for my family -- and the "short bed" on a full size pickup truck is still pretty big. Someone else mentioned getting a CrewCab with a full size, or 8 foot, bed. That is a BIG truck. Same with Dodge MegaCab -- BIG truck, but the cab has SOOO much room! The rear seats even recline!! You have lots to look at and think about.

The Suburbans and Expeditions are very capable vehicles, just make sure they have the "tow package". Pickup trucks usually have stronger and stiffer suspensions, which make them arguably better as tow vehicles, but the big SUVs work fine.

New trucks... You can get a brand new 3/4 ton CrewCab pickup for under $30,000. Go into a dealership, planning on NOT signing papers that day. Don't worry, trucks will still be available the next day (lol). Dealers really want to get these trucks off their lots, be stubborn, the price will keep falling for you. Scrutinize the manufacturer's websites, I found a couple things that my dealer "didn't know about", that further lowered the price of my truck.

Also, I really think that the present "slump" in truck sales is going to turn around, maybe starting next summer. Just guessing here. This is a good time to buy new. Something else to think about -- My previous truck I bought used, in excellent condition, at a great price.... but... 3 years later, I still owed payments on it, and I had an 8 (eight) year old truck when I went to trade it in. I know you can get used trucks for a great price, but just remember that in a few years, you will have an old truck.

You have a lot of information here to think about, and a lot of information available to you on the internet to peruse. Try to take your time, and don't get yourself too worked up.

Hope this helps some, and good luck!

[musicmama]

So, I disappear for a day because of limited internet, and I miss all the fuss. How lucky I am??

I sincerely hope that you terrific DISers realize that you were my first source of info. You always are. Between all of you, I've learned lots - especially that I know even less than I originally thought! Actually, that was a little depressing. (So even if I say thank you about other sites to view, I'll come here first!)

To recap --
1. We looked at 5ers, too. The ones that had "an extra room" for DD were waaaaaaay out of our price range. They were lovely, but didn't answer our specific needs. If it was just me and DH, I'd think about it (especially the ones with the lovely glass showers). But DD is still just 15 and we've got awhile to be camping with her and her friends. TT with bunkhouse answers all our needs.
2. I really didn't know that much about trucks other than they come in different sizes and capacities. That's why I asked the good people here. We know what TT we want, it's a question of what makes a tow vehicle.
3. I've lurked on a couple of sites, but I know that I will get good, quick, easy-to-understand info from this forum. I've watched you help each other out. I like this group, I kinda know some of you, and I'm really really shy about joining new groups. (RVnet intimidated me.)

Please do not fight amongst yourselves on my behalf....

[musicmama]

Deleted as double post.

[LarryJ]

What are we Larry ? chopped liver ?
I think you are selling us a little short.

Hey you need to re-read my post where I said "MORE DIVERSE" and if you think the expertise here equals that available on RV.NET then I think you're sadly mistakened.

My intent is to get a person what I consider the best and most comprehensive input available and not blindly adhere to one or another website.

There are many, many variables when matching a TT with a TV and I don't even see the experience here in the consideration variations for the popular Suburban as the new models are significantly different than earlier ones just as another popular TV the Excursion is. I'm the only full sized Van here that posts and that leaves out all the Van options such as the V10 or older 8.1L Chevy/GMC. Unless you get a person to that knowledge base you're not IMHO giving them the best all around advice on what to consider. This is what I meant by the limited resources here and not that anyone wasn't knowledgeable as you implied, which I did not say.

Larry

[LarryJ]

Yes...chopped liver! Not prime rib, like Larry.....who has refused his expert input until her question is asked on some other website, directing web traffic away from the DISBOARDS!!!!


I have learned as much, if not more than the OP from this thread....I thank everyone who wasnt too stuck up to lend their honest opinions and knowledge by way of experience. You guys rock!.....well, most of you rock, Im just not in the mood to go to other websites for stale, cut quick, sterile answers.

That's a very narrow view and it has nothing to do with being "STUCK UP", or accusing anyone of giving ones honest opinions, knowledge, or questioning their experience. My "EXPERT" experience if it exists is very limited as most others here and to give a person a "FULL RANGE" of options this is just not the venue to accomplish that.

If you have "learned more" as much if not more than the OP from this thread then you will be amazed at what you might learn for a dedicated RV/Towing website like RV.NET.

If I have a question on my particular TT I sure wouldn't come here but go to the dedicated R-Vision Camping Club website since R-Vision is who actually made our trailer. Again it's about the depth and variety of experience available.

Some of you IMHO need to take a chill pill and relax a little and maybe check to be sure you don't have a wedgie :lmao:

Larry

[LarryJ]

Not good enough for some people, who are too cool for the community board..... I trust you Scott, I just ignore you.

Again, somebody making assumptions. It's not about being cool or not since that's not important to me. It's about getting the best and most complete and accurate information to a person looking to learn.

All you attackers need to go back and carefully read my posts. I never said anyone did know what they were talking about, my only point was the resources here are limited and not a diverse or complete like on the one I have linked to. If you don't think that's important they I just don't understand.

Larry

[LarryJ]

So, I disappear for a day because of limited internet, and I miss all the fuss. How lucky I am??

I sincerely hope that you terrific DISers realize that you were my first source of info. You always are. Between all of you, I've learned lots - especially that I know even less than I originally thought! Actually, that was a little depressing. (So even if I say thank you about other sites to view, I'll come here first!)

To recap --
1. We looked at 5ers, too. The ones that had "an extra room" for DD were waaaaaaay out of our price range. They were lovely, but didn't answer our specific needs. If it was just me and DH, I'd think about it (especially the ones with the lovely glass showers). But DD is still just 15 and we've got awhile to be camping with her and her friends. TT with bunkhouse answers all our needs.
2. I really didn't know that much about trucks other than they come in different sizes and capacities. That's why I asked the good people here. We know what TT we want, it's a question of what makes a tow vehicle.
3. I've lurked on a couple of sites, but I know that I will get good, quick, easy-to-understand info from this forum. I've watched you help each other out. I like this group, I kinda know some of you, and I'm really really shy about joining new groups. (RVnet intimidated me.)

All I can say is you have to dig in and be willing to listen and learn. There are no "good, quick, easy-to-understand" info on this RV/Towing thing. Don't be shy and just do it and let me know since I'm a fairly active member on RV.NET and will try and support you there.

Please do not fight amongst yourselves on my behalf....

What you are seeing is not about you, it's me and my views which some take more offense than they should IMHO

Larry

[jugman]

If you have decided what TT you want then post the weights and make/model for it. I would also post it on rvnet.com also. Just be sure to post it in the TT section. The chances are pretty good somebody, on one of the forums, will have the same type camper that your looking at and post their comments on their TV.

[bigdisneydaddy]

Larry, I understand what your intent was, I viewed it just the way you say you intended it. As you can see I have tried to give the OP the info that they were looking for without overwhelming them. There are many options and the discussion had just gotten started IMHO. The point you raise about changes in all the trucks is relevant and I intended to move in that direction as the discussion progressed.
I have viewed RV.net over the years but honestly dont frequent it because of the tone of the posts and the condesending tone that a lot of them take. Do I think the OP will get the same number of people replying on the DIS... No I dont. Do I think the OP will get information from people who have a genuine desire to assist... absolutely. Do I think that the OP will learn as much here... probably and with a lot less grief.
I just think the DIS is a much nicer place and much more sociable than RV.net

Hakuna mutata

[stacktester]

Larry, I understand what your intent was, I viewed it just the way you say you intended it. As you can see I have tried to give the OP the info that they were looking for without overwhelming them. There are many options and the discussion had just gotten started IMHO. The point you raise about changes in all the trucks is relevant and I intended to move in that direction as the discussion progressed.
I have viewed RV.net over the years but honestly dont frequent it because of the tone of the posts and the condesending tone that a lot of them take. Do I think the OP will get the same number of people replying on the DIS... No I dont. Do I think the OP will get information from people who have a genuine desire to assist... absolutely. Do I think that the OP will learn as much here... probably and with a lot less grief.
I just think the DIS is a much nicer place and much more sociable than RV.net

Hakuna mutata


Very well said. I lurk on rv.net ocassionally but it's just not for me. Especially the threads about FW. We need to get those people over here.

[Gatordad]

Again, somebody making assumptions. It's not about being cool or not since that's not important to me. It's about getting the best and most complete and accurate information to a person looking to learn.

All you attackers need to go back and carefully read my posts. I never said anyone did know what they were talking about, my only point was the resources here are limited and not a diverse or complete like on the one I have linked to. If you don't think that's important they I just don't understand.

Larry

and over there you have 1000 people with 1000 opinions which may or may not be based on any kinds of facts....... I used to go over there, until every post there was a message by the weight police, and 80% blah blah blah...... I have no time to "carefully" read your posts, your holier than thou attitude makes them unreadable.

[LONE-STAR]

I've heard this from a few folks about wanting to have the bed of the truck for storage, including folks who would want to come over and check out the rental Dodge diesel we used in Yellowstone. Funny, nobody wants to come over and check out the Tundra! (Anyone who's spent time on the RV.net boards knows how sensitive a subject that can be). Back to the subject of having the truck bed for storage, I like the idea of keeping things like Coleman fuel and firewood away from the trailer. Also - nice to have the tool box for things like a heavy duty jack, tools, and spare parts you might need along the road.

If I had a little more "disposable income", I probably would have chosen a diesel tow vehicle, and was seriously considering the Dodge Cummins. The 2006 that we rented was getting over 22 mpg travelling around Yellowstone when not towing the trailer, and was getting 14 mpg towing the trailer through the mountains. I kept running the numbers day in and day out and it was a close call on the extra $$ for the diesel vs. the fuel cost at the time. My parents have owned a fair amount of Ford diesels, and they have averaged around 16 to 18 mpg daily driving, and also get 14 towing large loads. They are thinking about the new Ford diesel, but we've heard horror stories on low fuel economy.

Fuel economy is down in all new diesels. The fed's made them add alot of emission crap to all 2007 and newer diesels(with the exception of a few early built dodges that still had the 5.9) and they have to do a particulate filter burn off every so many miles which is rumored to burn about 2 gallons of diesel every time. This also brought Ultra Low Sulfur Diesel instead of Low Sulfur Diesel. With less sulfur in the diesel even the older diesels have lost a mile or 2 per gallon. Thank the EPA for diesels going the way of the muscle car.:sad2:

[disney4dan]

I would just say, that the RV.net forums will provide you with a huge amount of opinions, some followed by facts and links to prove the point. It was on the RV.net forums that I learned some 1/2 ton trucks built for better gas mileage just won't tow much at all (gear ratios and horsepower issues) and how you need to check the door pillar or the manufacturers website for the individual truck to know what it is rated for. There were some interesting threads showing the ratings for everything from a half ton through one ton in the same brand (think it was Chevy) with some "heavy duty" half ton versions just as capable as 3/4 ton trucks.

You will learn how to refine your search with key words and get lots of information. Some good, some bad. Asking some people about their trucks or brand loyalty is like asking them about family.

But, like Larry J said, if you have a specific question, it's a great place to go. I was unable to find a locking hitch pin that would fit in my truck (thicker receiver tube). I posted a question and by that afternoon had at least 6 responses with links to places I could get one. I had gone to two separate RV stores and nobody had any or could explain why the steel tube on the Tundra would be thicker than the receiver on a one-ton Ford rated for a lot more towing capacity.

[vick]

"There is so much erronous information being given to beginnning RV'ers there, that I felt I should try to help these beginners with my experiences. Well,,, Today does it for me. I have removed any links to that out-of-control website and will not visit, nor refer anyone to it again."


That is a quote from someone on another RV forum. The website he is referencing is RV.net.

[LarryJ]

and over there you have 1000 people with 1000 opinions which may or may not be based on any kinds of facts....... I used to go over there, until every post there was a message by the weight police, and 80% blah blah blah...... I have no time to "carefully" read your posts, your holier than thou attitude makes them unreadable.

1. It's true that you will get a wide range of opinions and anytime you use the internet you are responsible to sort out the wheat from the caff which is true on DIS here also.

2. Well your 80% comment is interesting since we have already had a post on that and no one questioned it ... interesting:confused3

3. If you don't have "TIME" to carefully read my posts then maybe you shouldn't quote them, respond to them, or take issue with them nor judge me as being "holier than thou" and I am sorry for my lack of the ability to communicate with you which I don't have a problem with others. If you're going to "LEAP TO CONCLUSIONS" w/o consideration or actually reading "CAREFULLY" the post, I would suggest you not reply to that particular post.

Larry

[LarryJ]

"There is so much erronous information being given to beginnning RV'ers there, that I felt I should try to help these beginners with my experiences. Well,,, Today does it for me. I have removed any links to that out-of-control website and will not visit, nor refer anyone to it again."


That is a quote from someone on another RV forum. The website he is referencing is RV.net.

That's just one or two person's opinion and just like any website is true and the reader is responsible as in my previous post sort out the wheat from the chaff. Yes there is erronous information there just as there is here at times, but again one has to sort that out and appreciate if you have 10 opinions like here and 500 on RV.NET the number of erronous posts will be more in the later than the former.

Larry

[LarryJ]

Nothing against the OP and thru no fault of their own maybe the best thing is to close this down and allow the OP if he/she desires to repost and I will stay out of that thread. It's gotten way off track but not IMHO due to what I posted, but others .... However, I will not sit still and let folks attack me like they did in this thread or any other for that fact.

Peace to All,

Larry

[bigdisneydaddy]

I think now that the thread has refocused itself the discussion should continue, I for one looked forward to continuing.

[bigdisneydaddy]

There is an interesting discussion on outbackers.com on a thread started by a hotshotter that hauls new RV's for a living. He stated that he is seeing more and more gas engine trucks with the new 6 spd auto trans being used for professional full time haulers. The reality is that the new trans allows the engine more economy and power by maximizing RPM's for a particular load and grade. The initial cost of the diesel as well as the increased maintenance and higher fuel is not offset by the increase in mileage of diesel vs gas.

[Shan-man]

Scott, since we are back OT... I was looking seriously at a Toyota Tundra as a second vehicle that could also be a tow vehicle. I was surprised to see a rating of over 10,000# on it. That seems plenty for a medium 5er, but what do I know. I was wondering your opinion as to whether this is a suitable tv? Thanks in advance.

[AuburnJen92]

Shan, we had an '05 Tundra and it was not the bigger version they have out now, but it was all we needed with our former TT. We never had a problem with it. All we did was change the oil, fill 'er up, and change the tires and belts. We traded down to a Tacoma when we got the MH because we just didn't need that much truck. It was a really great truck.

[bigdisneydaddy]

Scott, since we are back OT... I was looking seriously at a Toyota Tundra as a second vehicle that could also be a tow vehicle. I was surprised to see a rating of over 10,000# on it. That seems plenty for a medium 5er, but what do I know. I was wondering your opinion as to whether this is a suitable tv? Thanks in advance.


Unfortunately I have no experience or product knowledge for the Toyota, I live in the heart of GM country, its sacriligious to use the "T" word around here :lmao:

[MadFF]

Scott, since we are back OT... I was looking seriously at a Toyota Tundra as a second vehicle that could also be a tow vehicle. I was surprised to see a rating of over 10,000# on it. That seems plenty for a medium 5er, but what do I know. I was wondering your opinion as to whether this is a suitable tv? Thanks in advance.

Double check the bed weight capacity of the Tundra. It may be rated to tow 10,000lbs, but it may not be rated high enough to handle the hitch weight of a 5er when it is hooked up.

Similar to what was posted earlier, the towing capacities that are coming out for the newest 1/2 tons are very high. It just seems odd when a 1/2 ton is basically rated the same as a 3/4 ton.

[AuburnJen92]

I wouldn't use the Tundra for a 5'er. A TT, yes, 5er, no.

[musicmama]

OP here. Another busy day at work followed by DD's Irish dance class, and what do I find? (A bunch of adults who ultimately manage to play well together in the sandbox, and who have some interesting viewpoints. Wish my family was more like that. Thank goodness we're not discussing politics.)

I'm a little confused about this, though - for those who have TTs, is the reason that you put stuff in the TV "trunk" (or bed or whatever) to avoid going over the maximum rating for your TV? What kind of "stuff" do you not put in the trailer? And why? Does this make a difference as to why you picked your specific TV?

Thanks for putting the discussion back on track as far as vehicles and not getting derailed. I chose this group for my info source, and I think it was a good choice.

--Pat

[Gatordad]

1. It's true that you will get a wide range of opinions and anytime you use the internet you are responsible to sort out the wheat from the caff which is true on DIS here also.

2. Well your 80% comment is interesting since we have already had a post on that and no one questioned it ... interesting:confused3

3. If you don't have "TIME" to carefully read my posts then maybe you shouldn't quote them, respond to them, or take issue with them nor judge me as being "holier than thou" and I am sorry for my lack of the ability to communicate with you which I don't have a problem with others. If you're going to "LEAP TO CONCLUSIONS" w/o consideration or actually reading "CAREFULLY" the post, I would suggest you not reply to that particular post.

Larry


whatever, go stay on the fort board, remember this side is beneath you.

[Gatordad]

Scott, since we are back OT... I was looking seriously at a Toyota Tundra as a second vehicle that could also be a tow vehicle. I was surprised to see a rating of over 10,000# on it. That seems plenty for a medium 5er, but what do I know. I was wondering your opinion as to whether this is a suitable tv? Thanks in advance.

as a former Nissan owner that "pulled" 9500lbs and dropped the transmission, take extra care.

[LONE-STAR]

OP here. Another busy day at work followed by DD's Irish dance class, and what do I find? (A bunch of adults who ultimately manage to play well together in the sandbox, and who have some interesting viewpoints. Wish my family was more like that. Thank goodness we're not discussing politics.)

I'm a little confused about this, though - for those who have TTs, is the reason that you put stuff in the TV "trunk" (or bed or whatever) to avoid going over the maximum rating for your TV? What kind of "stuff" do you not put in the trailer? And why? Does this make a difference as to why you picked your specific TV?

Thanks for putting the discussion back on track as far as vehicles and not getting derailed. I chose this group for my info source, and I think it was a good choice.

--Pat

Having the bed of my truck to put stuff in just makes it easier to haul stuff that you don't want in your TT. I have always drove 3/4 and 1 ton trucks since I was a teenager. So now I always buy 1 ton diesels so I can haul what I want, and my trailer can haul 4 thousand pounds of cargo. So I don't worry about overloading either. Some stuff when we go camping after 2 weeks its dirty so I would rather throw it in the bed of the truck then the trailer. Also my travel trailer is a toy hauler and it will hold both of my golf carts inside. But if I need more room inside the trailer I can put one in the bed of the truck.(another good reason for a long bed)

Some stuff I put in the bed of the truck. Coolers ,fire wood, propane fireplace, propane,tools, charcoal, those big out door mats for under the awning, bikes. There is more but that some of the stuff I have taken on trips at one time or another.

[MadFF]

I'm a little confused about this, though - for those who have TTs, is the reason that you put stuff in the TV "trunk" (or bed or whatever) to avoid going over the maximum rating for your TV? What kind of "stuff" do you not put in the trailer? And why? Does this make a difference as to why you picked your specific TV?


We use the bed of the truck mostly for bicycles and firewood. When we dry camp at our local state park, we also add an outdoor fireplace (campground doesn't have firepits) and extra water hoses (to reach faucets). When we camp with friends we usually add a cooler or two full of ice. This is mostly all big, bulky, and many times dirty stuff!

[bigdisneydaddy]

The floor plan limitations of a 5er (bedroom upstairs and bathroom IN the bedroom) were the limiting factors in out price range. In a perfect world I would be able to pull a 5th wheel while still using all of my bed and have a bathroom near the living area, unfortunately the REAL world gets in my way.

As others have said, I use the bed of the truck for bikes, firewood, my dutch oven, grill, cleaning supplies and bucket, leaf blower etc. I really wouldnt want most of that stuff in my trailer.... although some of the basement compartments on the 5ers are pretty spacious. Isnt it funny that with RV's everything has an "except if you do this" ;)

[2goofycampers]

OP here. Another busy day at work followed by DD's Irish dance class, and what do I find? (A bunch of adults who ultimately manage to play well together in the sandbox, and who have some interesting viewpoints. Wish my family was more like that. Thank goodness we're not discussing politics.)

I'm a little confused about this, though - for those who have TTs, is the reason that you put stuff in the TV "trunk" (or bed or whatever) to avoid going over the maximum rating for your TV? What kind of "stuff" do you not put in the trailer? And why? Does this make a difference as to why you picked your specific TV?

Thanks for putting the discussion back on track as far as vehicles and not getting derailed. I chose this group for my info source, and I think it was a good choice.

--Pat

We haul golf cart and ramps, jon boat & motor, big grill, firewood, bikes, elec. scooters, coolers, leveling planks and hitch wood box thingy. Tho not all at the same time. LOL

[musicmama]

The floor plan limitations of a 5er (bedroom upstairs and bathroom IN the bedroom) were the limiting factors in out price range. In a perfect world I would be able to pull a 5th wheel while still using all of my bed and have a bathroom near the living area, unfortunately the REAL world gets in my way.

As others have said, I use the bed of the truck for bikes, firewood, my dutch oven, grill, cleaning supplies and bucket, leaf blower etc. I really wouldnt want most of that stuff in my trailer.... although some of the basement compartments on the 5ers are pretty spacious. Isnt it funny that with RV's everything has an "except if you do this" ;)

Scott -- we saw an incredible 5er on Saturday with a loft and bunkhouse as well as master bedroom setup that DD loved. It's price was also incredible -- $81k regular, $51k show special. No way, DD!! We didn't see the TT make that you have, but the configuration of the ones we liked are very very similar (I finally googled yours last night).

Does it make me less of a camper if I admit that my "grill" is a George Foreman, not a big gas grill, so putting it in the truck vs the camper wouldn't be a problem? Well, I do have a Thermos GrillnGo too, but it fits in the little bin under the MH right now. We usually buy firewood where we camp and the only bike we have is DD's, which is on a bike rack on the back of the MH right now. I can see putting that in the TV, because I'm pretty sure you can't put a bike rack on a trailer, but am I otherwise missing something here?

I'm a little confused by the cleaning supplies and hoses and stuff like that - do you mean like windex and stuff - don't they just go in the bathroom area? Wouldn't that blow out of the TV if you've got an open bed truck? Most of the rest of what you all take is way more than we use. Does that make me a slacker? :sad1: (please tell me I'm not a slacker)

[bigdisneydaddy]

I meant cleaning supplies for the truck and trailer, things like my wash brush and bucket, towels and stuff like that. I like my stuff to look nice and my wife only allows me to wash the truck once per vacation :)

The only way you could be "less of a camper" is if you stay in the cabins at FW, rumor has it that they arent really considered campers.

[Gatordad]

I meant cleaning supplies for the truck and trailer, things like my wash brush and bucket, towels and stuff like that. I like my stuff to look nice and my wife only allows me to wash the truck once per vacation :)

The only way you could be "less of a camper" is if you stay in the cabins at FW, rumor has it that they arent really considered campers.

A Harris poll of likely voters confirmed your suspicions.... 89% of those polled agreed that cabin people aren't campers.

[des1954]

Does it make me less of a camper if I admit that my "grill" is a George Foreman

Absolutely not!!! It's a George Foreman grill!!!


I'm pretty sure you can't put a bike rack on a trailer

Sure you can put a bike rack on a trailer. We had one on our 1987 Coachman TT. No problem at all!

IF I could convince DH to go back to a trailer vs. a motor home, it would probably be a 5'er. I love the lay-out's and room 5'er's offer over a TT. Also, I'm told that towing a 5'er is more stable than towing a TT. I know that when we had the Coachman, I HATED when any large vehicle went past me. It made the trailer sway, even though we had all the correct towing gear and stabilizer bars. Talk about "white knuckle fever"!!! YIKES!!

[TheFlame]

So glad this thread got back on track...Thanks Larry!:thumbsup2 (for putting the gator back in the swamp!;) )

:rotfl2:

Good luck OP with your choice! I think 5th wheels pull better than TT in all instances no matter the tow vehicle, but it is up to you to research where you choose and see what is best for your family!:)

[disney4dan]

Scott, since we are back OT... I was looking seriously at a Toyota Tundra as a second vehicle that could also be a tow vehicle. I was surprised to see a rating of over 10,000# on it. That seems plenty for a medium 5er, but what do I know. I was wondering your opinion as to whether this is a suitable tv? Thanks in advance.

I own an '07 Tundra with 10,200# towing capacity, but would not feel comfortable with a fifth wheel in that bed. It could certainly tow some of the smaller ones, but there is still a noticeable drop if I connect the trailer without weight distribution. I've loaded firewood in the back (fresh cut white oak) and it will do better than my '02 Tundra, but I would own a true 3/4 ton or 1 ton for a fifth wheel.

Don't get me wrong, it has the engine and braking capacity, but I think they keep the suspension soft for the smooth ride that most of us would want for a daily driver.

[LarryJ]

whatever, go stay on the fort board, remember this side is beneath you.

Gessh what an inappropriate post and I will just ignore it since there is a post that is germane that the OP made that I need to respond to. As I said if you dont' want to contribute constructively don't post.

P.S. AND I and NOT YOU will decide where I post.

Larry

[LarryJ]

OP here. Another busy day at work followed by DD's Irish dance class, and what do I find? (A bunch of adults who ultimately manage to play well together in the sandbox, and who have some interesting viewpoints. Wish my family was more like that. Thank goodness we're not discussing politics.)

I'm a little confused about this, though - for those who have TTs, is the reason that you put stuff in the TV "trunk" (or bed or whatever) to avoid going over the maximum rating for your TV? What kind of "stuff" do you not put in the trailer? And why? Does this make a difference as to why you picked your specific TV?

Thanks for putting the discussion back on track as far as vehicles and not getting derailed. I chose this group for my info source, and I think it was a good choice.

--Pat

As far as what I put where, we often load up for a month or two on the road and have like 10 to 15 wine boxes full of seltzer or canned goods along with about 500lbs of tools, spare parts, etc. and I carry almost 60gal of fuel at times in the TV so I try and keep the wt carried in the TT to the minimum and just load up the TV which in my case is not an issue.

Most often I see folks can pack their trailer sparely, but once they load up their TV they can be over the TV GVWR or worse yet the AWR or tire ratings. With a Van like I have that is not an issue as my Van is rated for a 9500 GVWR, 20K GCWR and a 10K tow rating. When loaded for bear I'm close to 9200 on the TV and 7K on the TT axles for anywhere between 16 and 17K GCWR.

My rear GAWR is 6084 and one time after getting all the fuel onboard weighed in at 6200 on the rear axle and I took it easy for the next several hundred miles till I figured the fuel lowered that and didn't do that again.

Larry

[musicmama]

As far as what I put where, we often load up for a month or two on the road and have like 10 to 15 wine boxes full of seltzer or canned goods along with about 500lbs of tools, spare parts, etc. and I carry almost 60gal of fuel at times in the TV so I try and keep the wt carried in the TT to the minimum and just load up the TV which in my case is not an issue.
Larry

So, if I understand correctly, you are using a commercial grade van that seems like it has been further upgraded as your TV?? (The van is the same model that is the basis for my Class C.)

A month or 2 on the road is well beyond what we need to prepare for or would most likely be "towing" - and even what we anticipate needing if we ever get to retire. I confess I'd also be concerned about carrying that much fuel around, given the careless drivers I have been encountering lately just getting DD to school. I can see that it could be practical, especially when there are/have been fuel shortages let alone the roller coaster that is the benchmark barrel price. Just not sure we'd ever be likely in the same kind of circumstances. Although the idea of a van is intriguing, I get the impression that it might not be practical for more than 2 people - it seems as though you have removed the seats in order to pack the van so completely?

[clkelley]

Although I'm in a totally different class than most of the big boys, the reason I load a lot of stuff in my truck vs. the camper is twofold.

1) My CCC on my T@B is insanely low. My dry weight is 1710, my gross weight on the T@B is 1939, so that only leaves just over 200 lbs that I can add to the camper.

2) My second reason is I like to leave my T@B ready to sleep in, and loading a bunch of stuff inside won't accomplish that. If it's sleep ready all I have to do is pull or back into a site, plug in the electric and go to bed. This is good if I'm just overnighting on the road, or if the weather is nasty when I pull in.

Like I said my little camper is unique. My truck has a 5,000lb tow capacity, and a 9600lb GCVW, so I have no trouble carrying what I need.

[musicmama]

Although I'm in a totally different class than most of the big boys, the reason I load a lot of stuff in my truck vs. the camper is twofold.Like I said my little camper is unique. My truck has a 5,000lb tow capacity, and a 9600lb GCVW, so I have no trouble carrying what I need.

We saw a T@B like yours at Hershey last week. Really cute, but I have claustrophobia issues and just walking inside was a challenge! DD and I have seen your pix and we just "had" to go in. DH asked why would you look at something you'll never buy and we said "we saw one like this on the DIS, but that one was MUCH cuter!" I could absolutely see why you would load your tow rather than the T@B.

[Gatordad]

Although I'm in a totally different class than most of the big boys, the reason I load a lot of stuff in my truck vs. the camper is twofold.

1) My CCC on my T@B is insanely low. My dry weight is 1710, my gross weight on the T@B is 1939, so that only leaves just over 200 lbs that I can add to the camper.

2) My second reason is I like to leave my T@B ready to sleep in, and loading a bunch of stuff inside won't accomplish that. If it's sleep ready all I have to do is pull or back into a site, plug in the electric and go to bed. This is good if I'm just overnighting on the road, or if the weather is nasty when I pull in.

Like I said my little camper is unique. My truck has a 5,000lb tow capacity, and a 9600lb GCVW, so I have no trouble carrying what I need.


can you carry all of Rick's beer?

[clkelley]

can you carry all of Rick's beer?

Yep, in the truck :-) But I usually make a Wally World run once I get to the Fort for beer, water, wine coolers and sodas.

[njcamper95]

I agree a 5 er is probably the best for towing but you lose some of your truck bed also due to the hitch which if you want to someday think about a cart you will have to think about a 5 er that is a toy hauler also which means you may need to re think the tow vechicle also now you are looking at a bigger 5 er to fit the family and cart if you like the floor plan of the 5 er's you can check out the tt's also i have a cougar that is a 5er in a tt body it has the front bed room the middle bath with the big angle shower then the kitchen/living room with the pair of chairs in the rear with the bg picture window
my camper has a dry weight of 6040# with a max of 9100#
just a thought if you get a chance look at all your options it would be a shame to buy something then wish you got a different one later

[Shan-man]

Thanks Jen, Pete, et al for the input on the Tundra... I would never have thought the bed and suspension wouldn't be up to the task though the engine and brakes are. Between the gas prices and having just dropped $3500 on the MoHo rear-end means we will likely stick with our current rig for a while anyhow!

[Gatordad]

Gessh what an inappropriate post and I will just ignore it since there is a post that is germane that the OP made that I need to respond to. As I said if you dont' want to contribute constructively don't post.

P.S. AND I and NOT YOU will decide where I post.

Larry

Wearing the big boy underpants today I see. Congrats.

[Gatordad]

Thanks Jen, Pete, et al for the input on the Tundra... I would never have thought the bed and suspension wouldn't be up to the task though the engine and brakes are. Between the gas prices and having just dropped $3500 on the MoHo rear-end means we will likely stick with our current rig for a while anyhow!

Toyota is probably better made than the Titan, but I wouldn't test the 1/2 tons any more than I had to.

[bigdisneydaddy]

I pulled a 27ft TT that weighed 6400# fully loaded ready to camp, with my 1/2 ton Avalanche. Although it was within all of the weight limits it just always felt like I was beating the truck up or asking too much of it. I had an exhaust and intake improvements and that helped a little.

[Gatordad]

that's because you loaded the trailer full of beer and made your family take greyhound.

[BigDaddyRog]

Go Greyhound, and leave the drinking to us!!!


I bought a new F150 Friday night...I need to find a place to install a tow package because Ford wanted an extra $700+, and I heard you guys talking about having them installed in the $3-400 range. Should I look for something specific about where to have one installed?

[BRDof3]

Go Greyhound, and leave the drinking to us!!!


I bought a new F150 Friday night...I need to find a place to install a tow package because Ford wanted an extra $700+, and I heard you guys talking about having them installed in the $3-400 range. Should I look for something specific about where to have one installed?

My SUV had the package installed, but I did have to get the brake controller and the WD hitch and sway bar installed when we bought the TT. I'd look for a Hitches Plus (usu with U-Haul) or look for a sizable RV dealer. They probably have a place nearby that does their hitch work, and you might get a deal on the tow package. Between those 2 places I got the controller and hardware installed a lot cheaper than Toyota was quoting me.

[BRDof3]

Congrats on the truck, btw. Took Ford a couple of decades to design a truck that I like. Now they are tied with Toyota as far as design, I think.

Enjoy it, and let us know when you get to put that tow package to use! :cool1:

[big kahuna1]

Somebody was jerking your chain when they told you that. Now I may be wrong but a Tow package is much more than just the hitch. It generally includes a heavy duty alternator & cooling system, heavy duty suspension components, transmission cooler, 10,000lb hitch, wiring harness, a minimum of 3.73 gearing and possibly more. I don't think you is puttin' this stuff on for $700.00. Hate to say this but there are some people you should listen to and some you shouldn't. It is ALWAYS cheaper to get a Tow Package from the factory.

[BRDof3]

Somebody was jerking your chain when they told you that. Now I may be wrong but a Tow package is much more than just the hitch. It generally includes a heavy duty alternator & cooling system, heavy duty suspension components, transmission cooler, 10,000lb hitch, wiring harness, a minimum of 3.73 gearing and possibly more. I don't think you is puttin' this stuff on for $700.00. Hate to say this but there are some people you should listen to and some you shouldn't. It is ALWAYS cheaper to get a Tow Package from the factory.

OK, red-faced. I guess I was just thinking about the receiver, and forgot the rest of the wonderful-ness that has to come with it. In our case the receiver came with the tow package from the factory, and I was pricing out the controller and hitch work. That's what I get for answering without thinking it all the way through. :confused:

[ftwildernessguy]

Go Greyhound, and leave the drinking to us!!!


I bought a new F150 Friday night...I need to find a place to install a tow package because Ford wanted an extra $700+, and I heard you guys talking about having them installed in the $3-400 range. Should I look for something specific about where to have one installed?

I'm betting your truck has most of what it needs, Roger. If Ford is talking 700 bucks, it sounds like they are talking about the receiver only. I'm surprised it didn't come with it, since my dealership doesn't have an F150 on the lot that doesn't include the tow package. Generally speaking, the Ford receiver will fit better than any after market one and gives a nice, clean look with only the actual receiver exposed - the frame of it tucks nicely into the truck frame. Be sure to check the rear axle ratio and also look for a tranny cooler - once again, I would be surprised if it didn't already have one. Carol was going to have one installed on her SportTrac and I convinced her to check under the hood - sure enough, there was already one on board. If indeed you don't have the package, you will be limited by that rear axle ratio as to what you can safely and comfortably pull. I do like my F150 alot and have minimal problems over the past 3 years with it. It tows my hybrid effortlessly.

[LarryJ]

So, if I understand correctly, you are using a commercial grade van that seems like it has been further upgraded as your TV?? (The van is the same model that is the basis for my Class C.)

A month or 2 on the road is well beyond what we need to prepare for or would most likely be "towing" - and even what we anticipate needing if we ever get to retire. I confess I'd also be concerned about carrying that much fuel around, given the careless drivers I have been encountering lately just getting DD to school. I can see that it could be practical, especially when there are/have been fuel shortages let alone the roller coaster that is the benchmark barrel price. Just not sure we'd ever be likely in the same kind of circumstances. Although the idea of a van is intriguing, I get the impression that it might not be practical for more than 2 people - it seems as though you have removed the seats in order to pack the van so completely?

Several points:

1. The Van is a cargo van and considered commercial, but except for the interior trim behind the A-pillar and windows it's basically the same as a passenger van. When I ordered it I had every option you could get on a passenger van except the seats, windows (I only opted for the rear and sliding door). The only option for the passenger vans that I could not get was the CD/tape player. The only two passenger van option I choose not to get were the rear heater/AC along with the aluminum wheels. Also, on my Van going the way I did I got real tow mirrors like you see on a lot of ambulances which are stainless and swing out when towing. I finished it off my self to my needs for under $1500. Back in 2001 the total cost after just the mods to the van itself was less than $33,000 and that including taxes, tags, delivery fees etc.

2. Doing what I did is probably not a first time DIY type thing, but I had owned a Van since 1979 similar to this one and knew what it takes and knew exactly what I wanted. You can see the Van mods if you go to my main webshots page in my signature.

3. My van is a single RWD and most Class C's are dualies and the frame is different than what I have.

4. As far as the fuel your concern is somewhat well founded, but diesel is pretty safe and not like gas. I would never think to carry 20gal of gas inside my van when traveling. Also, it's now just the two of us, no kids so the DW and I have assume this extra risk and if something happens I'm more concerned about that 8,000 lb thing behind us running us over, over a little diesel here or there that probably won't ignite for like a day or two of traveling. I do the extra fuel just to beat the higher prices for a short time and extend my range when on a longer trip. With 60gal of fuel I'm good towing for well over 600 miles which is nice.

5. As far as persons my Van is exactly setup like my 1978 which we made multiple trips across country with our two sons from when they were born until they went to college. We had and still have the same sofa bed in the rear and when they were growing up, it was made into a large double bed and they two of them along with one or two of our dogs road back there. There were no seatbelts and back in the 1970's and early 1980's the use of seatbelts is not like it is today.

6. A full sized Van in the 1T variety in the passenger flavor is probably the most capable and spacious TV you can find. Even in the non extended version it even puts the monsterous Ford Excursion to shame in the people and cargo carrying capacity.

7. On down side is that they're not cool looking :laughing:


Larry

[LarryJ]

Somebody was jerking your chain when they told you that. Now I may be wrong but a Tow package is much more than just the hitch. It generally includes a heavy duty alternator & cooling system, heavy duty suspension components, transmission cooler, 10,000lb hitch, wiring harness, a minimum of 3.73 gearing and possibly more. I don't think you is puttin' this stuff on for $700.00. Hate to say this but there are some people you should listen to and some you shouldn't. It is ALWAYS cheaper to get a Tow Package from the factory.

That sort of depends if you are buying a grocery getter and trying to tow with it or something used for work like a 3/4 T and up. The former needs extras, but the latter has most of everything except maybe for the receiver and wiring. The gearing can also be a major item. I could have gotten the 3.55, but opted for the 4.10 which was a lifesaver for my particular vehicle. The equlivant F-series had the 3.73 as standard and the 4.10 as an option.

Larry

[Gatordad]

http://i173.photobucket.com/albums/w66/n880ep/funny-pictures-orange-cat-consoles-.jpgGessh what an inappropriate post and I will just ignore it since there is a post that is germane that the OP made that I need to respond to. As I said if you dont' want to contribute constructively don't post.

P.S. AND I and NOT YOU will decide where I post.

Larry

[keylime359]

A Harris poll of likely voters confirmed your suspicions.... 89% of those polled agreed that cabin people aren't campers.

NOT nice! We are going to be in the cabins in Oct so I can let DH fall in love with the idea of a TT. Then it will be HIS idea(to buy a TT) and being the good wifey I will agree to it.:thumbsup2 Anyway, without the cabins we would end up somewhere very sad like say All stars!

[clkelley]

I'm betting your truck has most of what it needs, Roger. If Ford is talking 700 bucks, it sounds like they are talking about the receiver only. I'm surprised it didn't come with it, since my dealership doesn't have an F150 on the lot that doesn't include the tow package. Generally speaking, the Ford receiver will fit better than any after market one and gives a nice, clean look with only the actual receiver exposed - the frame of it tucks nicely into the truck frame. Be sure to check the rear axle ratio and also look for a tranny cooler - once again, I would be surprised if it didn't already have one. Carol was going to have one installed on her SportTrac and I convinced her to check under the hood - sure enough, there was already one on board. If indeed you don't have the package, you will be limited by that rear axle ratio as to what you can safely and comfortably pull. I do like my F150 alot and have minimal problems over the past 3 years with it. It tows my hybrid effortlessly.

Here is the history of adding my tow package, although obviously I would never haul what an F-150 could haul.

My truck came with the 4-pin connector, transmission cooler (didn't know it at the time), and a hole in the bumper to mount a hitch ball. I needed to haul a little bitty trailer oh about 4 years ago, so Rick bought a 2" receiver direct from Ford for less than $200, and had the guys at his shop install it.
Right before I got my T@B, dad and myself installed the 7-pin and some wiring to charge the camper battery.

Another place you might check is if you have an ARE Truck Cap dealer in your area, those types of places also tend to install hitches. The one in our area is H&H. They sell truck caps, truck shells, tonneau covers, and install hitches.

[BigDaddyRog]

I'm betting your truck has most of what it needs, Roger. If Ford is talking 700 bucks, it sounds like they are talking about the receiver only. I'm surprised it didn't come with it, since my dealership doesn't have an F150 on the lot that doesn't include the tow package. Generally speaking, the Ford receiver will fit better than any after market one and gives a nice, clean look with only the actual receiver exposed - the frame of it tucks nicely into the truck frame. Be sure to check the rear axle ratio and also look for a tranny cooler - once again, I would be surprised if it didn't already have one. Carol was going to have one installed on her SportTrac and I convinced her to check under the hood - sure enough, there was already one on board. If indeed you don't have the package, you will be limited by that rear axle ratio as to what you can safely and comfortably pull. I do like my F150 alot and have minimal problems over the past 3 years with it. It tows my hybrid effortlessly.


Jim, thanks for bringing this up...I checked and Im pretty sure this is a transmission cooler, can anyone veryfy this?.....
http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t296/dj_bigdaddyrog/100_5881.jpghttp://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t296/dj_bigdaddyrog/100_5882.jpghttp://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t296/dj_bigdaddyrog/100_5883.jpg

I checked the widow sticker, and it DOES say 6700# GVWR PACKAGE = NO CHARGE, so apparently it IS installed...
http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t296/dj_bigdaddyrog/100_5889.jpg

with this...all I need to have installed is the actual hitch(is that the same as a "reciever"?) and wiring harness, is this correct????

So, I should be ok hauling my cart in the bed, and pulling a pop up with my family and gear?

Thanks guys.....I find that the information I get from ya'll is PLENTY dependable, I trust ya'lls input.


OH.....WAIT...just double checked again....it says "4 PIN TRAILER WIRING" on the sticker also...is that the wiring harness? Or is that what I connect the harness to?

[Gatordad]

good luck with the new wheels.

[BigDaddyRog]

Thanks Carol..you answered some of my questions as I was posting that.

[clkelley]

If you have a 4-pin, then you need to get the following:

http://www.jcwhitney.com/autoparts/ProductBrowse?storeId=10101&Pr=p_Product.CATENTRY_ID%3A2013484&productId=2013484&catalogId=10101&N=111%2B10201%2B600002466&rlid=group_listing

I got mine at AutoZone. It plugs into your existing 4-pin flat, and has the extra wires for charge line, brake controller, and backup lights.

Then to install the charge line do the following:

BATTERY CHARGE RELAY INSTALLATION June 2, 2006
Tools needed:
Wire strippers
Wire cutters
Wire connector crimp tool
20 or so 3" or longer tie wraps
Parts necessary from
http://www.radioshack.com/category/index.jsp?categoryId=2032058 :
1 ea. # 275-226 12VDC/30A SPST Automotive Relay, $6.29
1 roll #278-569 35-ft 10-Gauge Hookup WireBlack, $13.99
1 pkg #270-1084 25A Blade-Type Automotive Fuses, $1.49
1 ea. #270-1234 30-Amp Inline Blade-Type Fuse Holder, $2.39
A NOTE ON FUSES - a 20A fuse can blow if the trailer battery is
extremely low and the fridge is set to run on 12V DC. Also, a #270-1085
30-Amp fuse can be used if the 25A is not sufficient. The relay is
rated at 30A and these are fast-blow fuses. However if the 25A proves
sufficient, it is better to use a fuse that blows before reaching the
maximum current rating of the relay.
1 pkg #278-1632 4" Nylon Wire Ties, $1.99
1 pkg #64-3111 12-10 Gauge Shrink Butt Connectors, $1.99
1 pkg #64-3140 Low-voltage Tap-Ins, $1.69
1 pkg #64-3120 Insulated Ring Connectors, $1.69
2 pkg #64-3137 1/4" Crimp-On Quick Disconnects, $1.69
Installation:
If your vehicle already has a trailer battery charge wire routed from
the 7-pin connector to the engine compartment, you can skip steps 1-5.
1. Disconnect the negative cable at the battery.
2. Jack up vehicle and support using stands.
3. Connect 10 gauge wire to "Battery Charge" pin of 7-pin connector.
4. Route the 10 gauge wire under the vehicle to the engine compartment.
Use tie wraps to secure the wire and keep it away from heat and
mechanical hazards.
5. Bring the 10 gauge wire up into the engine compartment near the
battery.
6. Mount the 30A relay near the battery using an existing screw, or
drill a hole for mounting.
7. Cut a 6" length of wire off the end of the 10 gauge wire.
8. Crimp a quick disconnect "female" connector to one end of the 6"
wire.
9. Crimp an ring connector to the other end of the 6" wire using a ring
with a hole large enough for the relay mounting screw to pass through.
10. Put the relay mounting screw through the ring connector on the 6"
wire and mount the relay.
11. Slide the quick disconnect connector onto the low current "ground"
lug of the 30A relay.
12. Locate the positive terminal of your battery.
13. Determine if the positive battery cable already has an unused 10-12
gauge auxiliary wire. If so, simply insert one lead on the 30A fuse
holder into the butt connector provided and crimp it. Skip to step 22.
14. Otherwise if there is no visible auxiliary wire, determine if the
battery uses top mount stud or side mount cables.
15. If it is a top mount stud, select a ring connector with a hole
large
enough to clear the batter cable tightening bolt.
16. Crimp the ring connector on one lead on the 30A fuse holder.
17. Put the ring connector over the battery cable clamp bolt, reinstall
the nut, and tighten sufficiently. Skip to step 22.
18. Otherwise if the battery uses side mount cables, follow the cable
to
the starter solenoid. Disconnect the battery cable from the solenoid.
19. Select a ring connector with a hole large enough to clear the
batter
cable stud on the solenoid.
20. Crimp the ring connector on one lead on the 30A fuse holder.
21. Put the ring connector over the solenoid stud, re-install the
battery cable and nut, and tighten sufficiently.
22. Cut a length of wire off the end of the 10 gauge wire long enough
to
reach from the fuse holder to the relay. Leave enough to secure the
wire with ties.
33. Connect one end of the wire to the fuse hold using a "butt"
connector.
34. Crimp a "female" quick disconnect to the other end of the wire.
35. Slide the quick disconnect connector onto the high current +12V lug
of the 30A relay.
36. Route the 10-gauge wire from the 7-pin connector to the relay and
cut off leaving enough length to secure with tie wraps.
37. Crimp a "female" quick disconnect to the end of the wire from the
7-pin connector.
38. Slide the quick disconnect connector onto the high current negative
lug of the 30A relay (opposite side).
39. Crimp a "female" quick disconnect to one end of the remaining loose
10-gauge wire.
40. Slide the quick disconnect connector onto the low current positive
lug of the 30A relay (opposite the ground lug).
Now you have done the easy part ;-).
41. Locate a source of +12V switched by the ignition key (i.e. only
"hot" when the key engine is running). For older cars you may find
that
another terminal at the starter solenoid will meet this requirement.
For newer cars you can call a local automotive electrical shop, or
possibly get a wiring diagram from the library or a purchased manual.
42. Use the "Low-voltage Tapin" to connect the other end of the low
current positive wire from the 30A relay to the source of switched 12V
power.

[njcamper95]

did you get the long bed or the short just asking because cart may or may not fit in truck with gate up which you may need up to hook a trailer to your hitch my dodge short bed won't work can take trailer but not cart but your ford may be a little longer try it and see if you can put your gate up or if it goes up pretty close at least, mine didn't make it half way so when i would turn it would hit my gas tanks well looks like i will be getting a new truck also

[LONE-STAR]

Rog congrats on the new truck. Just in case the cart dose not fit in the bed of the truck don't worry. They have pop up campers with decks on the front to haul 1 or 2 carts and the price is not that bad. Here is a link http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Other-Vehicles-Trailers_RVs-Campers__BR28TS-C-Brand-Name-Toy-Hauler-Fold-Down-NEW-MUST-SEE_W0QQitemZ180287819061QQddnZOtherQ20VehiclesQ20 Q26Q20TrailersQQadnZRVsQ20Q26Q20CampersQQddiZ2828Q QadiZ2799QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item180287819061&_trkparms=72%3A727%7C39%3A1%7C65%3A12%7C240%3A1308&_trksid=p4506.c0.m245

[big kahuna1]

I did not mean to hurt anyone's feelings with my post regarding tow packages but I do not consider a hitch a tow package. If I would have read the posts a page or two back I would have worded my post diiferenly knowing that the tow package being discussed was considered the hitch and wiring harness. So I apologize.

Rog,

That does look like a tranny cooler. I still believe you would have been far better off buying the tow package but that is neither here nor there at this point. You need to take the truck to a hitch place and have them install a Class III hitch and the wiring harness. Sometimes the truck will be prewired for a simple plug in wiring harness for both the tail lights and the brake controller if one is necessary. Good Luck!

[bigdisneydaddy]

Rog, that looks like a trans cooler to me. To be 100% sure you would need to find the options code plate (usually in the glovebox) that gives the option codes that were installed from the factory. Your dealer should be able to print one out based on the VIN and tell you exactly what that truck has on it.
What are you planning on towing with it ? either I missed it or you didnt say.

The brake controller and charge line for the trailer battery MAY already have some of the wiring in the original harness to the back, quite often they are taped into the harness and just not connected. As far as adding them yourself, I would avoid that unless you are familiar with 12V automotive wiring. You could cause yourself considerable grief if the wire isnt connected and routed properly. Any wire you add to the truck should be shielded in wire loom if you are running it underneath.
You may get some advertisements once the DMV sells your new truck info (they do it up here) so check your mail for possible places that can do this work for you.
If you lived a little closer I could hook you up but I doubt some free wiring would be worth the drive. :lmao:

[stacktester]

In 1993 I bought a brand new Chevy dually single cab. I'm quite sure it had the towing package lol. What happens is, the person at the dealer who orders these trucks leaves things off and I ended up having to put a dang hitch on it. What did they think I was going to do with it, lower it and put a boom box in it lol.

[DisneyBishops]

Rog congrats on the new wheels. Glad we talked you into a Ford. If you got longbed then gc should fit fine.

[BRDof3]

Rog, before you buy any wiring harnesses, check the glove box of the truck. When I installed the brake controller I discovered that the plug-in harness for the controller was in the glove box, saved me from having to buy one. You might find what you need there.

Good luck, enjoy the wheels, and make sure you brag about them a little! :cool1:

[musicmama]

Congrats on the new wheels, Roger (and wow - look at all the info you got!). I'm jealous, but nowhere ready to buy. I think I might be replacing - as in completely - the brakes in my Santa Fe before October inspection. :sad2:

[BigDaddyRog]

good luck with the new wheels.

Thanks, Pete!!

Wow Carol...talk about informative!!!!:thumbsup2

I did not mean to hurt anyone's feelings with my post regarding tow packages but I do not consider a hitch a tow package.

Oh PLEASE....I need ALL the info....Ive never owned an actual truck before(tons of cars & motorcycles, a few vans and a couple of SUVs)...I dont know anything about trucks except for the obvious, and need all the info I can get!!!



Congrats on the new wheels, Roger (and wow - look at all the info you got!). I'm jealous, but nowhere ready to buy. I think I might be replacing - as in completely - the brakes in my Santa Fe before October inspection. :sad2:

musicmama, I honestly didnt mean to hijack your thread!!! Im really sorry about that.:)

[clkelley]

Thanks, Pete!!

Wow Carol...talk about informative!!!!:thumbsup2





Oh by the way Rog, until you DO get your camper, if you want to tow a small utility trailer with your golf cart on it, all you really need to do is put a hitch ball in that hole in the bumper and connect the 4-pin as is for lights/brakes/turn signals. However, if you go ahead and install the hitch receiver, you'll be able to control the height of the utility trailer by purchasing an appropriate hitch bar with the necessary drop to make the utility trailer level.

[MadFF]

musicmama, I honestly didnt mean to hijack your thread!!! Im really sorry about that.:)

I don't know about "hijacking", as it is more info about trucks!

As to tow packages... I'm kinda surprised your truck doesn't have a "tow package", as it is almost standard equipment these days. If you can, have a Ford mechanic look over the truck and find info on it if he can. You may very well have most of a "tow package" already "pre-installed".

Most trucks today have "plug -n- play" wiring harnesses -- if you need any kind of plug at the bumper, a local auto parts store (I use NAPA) will probably have what you need that just plugs into the existing wiring behind the bumper, and mounts on the bumper. If you already have a 4-pin trailer plug, you may be all set for a utility trailer or small popup. If you are thinking of a trailer with electric brakes then you have to look into a brake controller mounted under/in the dashboard and probably a full size round "RV" plug (in which case, as previously mentioned, you may want an experienced mechanic install that).

I would suggest getting a receiver hitch mounted on your truck. That way you can hook up all different variations of trailers (with different ball sizes) just by sliding in a new hitch. And you don't have to worry about damaging your bumper. Most bumpers, unless it is heavy duty / commercial / aftermarket, just aren't all that heavy duty and don't have very high trailer ratings. And... from the looks of that window sticker, if it is a nice looking custom bumper you don't want to be messing it up!

Do you have any pictures of the new truck? It "reads" like a good looking vehicle!

[musicmama]

Hey Roger, don't feel bad. It's not hijacking if there's info that will help me out too! As I said awhile ago, I wasn't even thinking about the hitch - but given the nature of the recent posts, that needs to be an important part of the list too.

I need to go back and find out what kind of new truck and what you're towing. That price sticker was a lot smaller than I expected. Every time DH and I went TV-hunting, the first digit was between 3 and 5 and if the first digit was a 3, the second digit was between 5 and 9. :scared1: Your sticker price is much less than that!

[PanFanAL]

Congrats Rog, I love my F150, I'm sure you will love yours. I am on my third one. And honestly if you are only going to haul a pop-up you may not need a different wiring harness. The pop-up I had just had the 4 pin. And that looks just like my transmission cooler so I would say that is what it is. You should be able to carry your cart, passengers, and a pup no problem. Shoot, when we had our pup, we towed it with our Pontiac Aztek a few times, and it has 3.4 v6 and a 3500# tow rating.

[BigDaddyRog]

That price sticker was a lot smaller than I expected. Every time DH and I went TV-hunting, the first digit was between 3 and 5 and if the first digit was a 3, the second digit was between 5 and 9. :scared1: Your sticker price is much less than that!

Good news musicmama.....I didnt pay anywhere near what that sticker says!!! My total, with tax, title and plate was just over $19k!!! They are cutting some unbelievable deals right now.

http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t296/dj_bigdaddyrog/100_5890.jpg

http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t296/dj_bigdaddyrog/100_5892.jpg

[MadFF]

Ooooooooooooooooohhhhhhhhhh............... Nice!

[clkelley]

Beautiful truck Rog!!!

Oh, FYI Musicmama, an F-150 like Rog bought is a 1/2 ton, you are looking at 3/4 ton trucks, which is an F-250, (or whatever number on the other brand trucks) that's probably why you are seeing higher sticker prices, but you shouldn't be paying sticker price at any rate!!!

[BRDof3]

Nice truck, Rog. :cool1:

[LONE-STAR]

Nice truck Rog.:thumbsup2 Now you just need to put green flames on it so it will look like your cart.

[LONE-STAR]

Hey Roger, don't feel bad. It's not hijacking if there's info that will help me out too! As I said awhile ago, I wasn't even thinking about the hitch - but given the nature of the recent posts, that needs to be an important part of the list too.

I need to go back and find out what kind of new truck and what you're towing. That price sticker was a lot smaller than I expected. Every time DH and I went TV-hunting, the first digit was between 3 and 5 and if the first digit was a 3, the second digit was between 5 and 9. :scared1: Your sticker price is much less than that!

My friend just bought a 2008 dodge 1 ton dually diesel crew cab 4x4 for $32,000

[disney4dan]

Nice ride, Rog. Here's to many happy trips to the Fort in that. Where's the first camping trip?

[disney4dan]

My friend just bought a 2008 dodge 1 ton dually diesel crew cab 4x4 for $32,000

I knew I should have waited! Story of my life. Oh well, this truck will do fine for camping with the trailer we have, and I'll be able to afford more trips.

[VACAMPER]

Hot truck Rog. Enjoy it until you get the payment book.

[ftwildernessguy]

You are right about the deals you can get on trucks now, Rog. When I bought my F150 in 2005, Ford had their deal going where you got the employee discount like they have going on now. It was the easy deal I ever made - the salesman kept knocking off stuff - cheap financing, employee pricing, discount for the military, discount for having my own business, and finally, and this was the best part, I got a FREE Weber gas grill!!!!

I have the super cab, too. I like it and the bed is 6 inches longer than the crew cab. You might think about taking down that tree before it falls on that new truck!

[bigdisneydaddy]

When I bought my diesel in 05 I would have had to turn it down (I ordered it exactly the way I wanted) if it hadnt been for the 0 % financing.

[clkelley]

I've heard this from a few folks about wanting to have the bed of the truck for storage, including folks who would want to come over and check out the rental Dodge diesel we used in Yellowstone. Funny, nobody wants to come over and check out the Tundra! (Anyone who's spent time on the RV.net boards knows how sensitive a subject that can be). Back to the subject of having the truck bed for storage, I like the idea of keeping things like Coleman fuel and firewood away from the trailer. Also - nice to have the tool box for things like a heavy duty jack, tools, and spare parts you might need along the road.

If I had a little more "disposable income", I probably would have chosen a diesel tow vehicle, and was seriously considering the Dodge Cummins. The 2006 that we rented was getting over 22 mpg travelling around Yellowstone when not towing the trailer, and was getting 14 mpg towing the trailer through the mountains. I kept running the numbers day in and day out and it was a close call on the extra $$ for the diesel vs. the fuel cost at the time. My parents have owned a fair amount of Ford diesels, and they have averaged around 16 to 18 mpg daily driving, and also get 14 towing large loads. They are thinking about the new Ford diesel, but we've heard horror stories on low fuel economy.

I'm not sure where you are from, but it might have been the higher altitude that was giving you the great mileage on that rental. My parents took their F-150 5.4 Triton (gas) and small 5th wheel cross country. They got incredible mileage bothing towing and empty once they got in the higher elevations. They get back here to the Southeast and the mileage goes back to crap.

[des1954]

http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t296/dj_bigdaddyrog/100_5890.jpg

SWEET RIDE, ROG!!

[MadFF]

I'm not sure where you are from, but it might have been the higher altitude that was giving you the great mileage on that rental. My parents took their F-150 5.4 Triton (gas) and small 5th wheel cross country. They got incredible mileage bothing towing and empty once they got in the higher elevations. They get back here to the Southeast and the mileage goes back to crap.

I kinda thought it was the other way around... at sea level vehicles get better mileage? Or am I thinking of older vehicles that need to have their carberators adjusted for different elevations?

Or am I just remembering old "myths"?