Pure thoughts?

[wallyb]

http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f241/wallyb3/tofu2.jpg
I’m getting ready to do this 21Day
rid your body of toxins cleanse thingy-
Starting right after labor day-
No gluten
No sugar
No animal products
No diary
No caffeine
No alcohol
Anyone over here done this?
Any tales to tell/advice?

[Maxamuus]

No alcohol
:scared1: :scared1: :scared1:

[wallyb]

:scared1: :scared1: :scared1:

Not concerned with the booze-
The sugar, dairy and gluten will be the challenge.

[jackskellingtonsgirl]

Um, hello?
Caffeine, sugar, and dairy are the base of my entire life! Coffee with sugar and half & half. Every day. In mass quantity.

Good luck, Wally! I'll drink my coffee and observe! ;)

[wallyb]

Um, hello?
Caffeine, sugar, and dairy are the base of my entire life! Coffee with sugar and half & half. Every day. In mass quantity.

Good luck, Wally! I'll drink my coffee and observe! ;)
;)
Well it'll be an "adventure" I'm sure-
but it's only 21 days - I think I can do that.

[jamieandben]

;)
Well it'll be an "adventure" I'm sure-
but it's only 21 days - I think I can do that.

If you don't make it... Can I have the dog?

[rpmdfw]

No gluten
No sugar
No animal products
No diary
No caffeine
No alcohol


Sounds like "NO FUN" to me

[jackskellingtonsgirl]

So really, after all of those exclusions what CAN you have? Lettuce? :confused3

21 days that will feel like 21 years.

I'll be watching! :surfweb:

[wallyb]

If you don't make it... Can I have the dog?

Well - Paul's doing it too - so there is
the strong possibly we KILL each other-
So yeah - Stella can come live with
Auntie Jamie!
http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f241/wallyb3/princess.jpg
WARNING: She's super spoiled!

[wallyb]

So really, after all of those exclusions what CAN you have? Lettuce? :confused3
21 days that will feel like 21 years.
I'll be watching! :surfweb:

I not sensing confidence here. :rolleyes: :

What's left?-
All veg
All fruit
All beans
All soy stuff
Grains - just not wheat.
I think I can make it - no problem.
Anyone want in?

[Tony-NJ]

I not sensing confidence here. :rolleyes: :

What's left?-
All veg
All fruit
All beans
All soy stuff
Grains - just not wheat.
I think I can make it - no problem.
Anyone want in?


um NEVER! Looking forward to my Cosmo's Friday after work!

[wallyb]

um NEVER! Looking forward to my Cosmo's Friday after work!

See cosmo, martini, mojito etc. -
all way to much booze for me.

I like "girly" drinks - at least a third mixer -
need to keep my head about me.:flower3:

I'm going to be okay with the no "fire water" thing.

[wallyb]

If anyone has any good sources
for vegan recipes - hook me up. :flower3:

[rosiep]

This maybe a good thing for me and my chelation. I just don't know about no sugar.

[wallyb]

This maybe a good thing for me and my chelation. I just don't know about no sugar.

I've got 4 friends who finished already
and they're all reporting all these health benefits.
Or at least they believe it.

I'm going to try it - what ta hell.

No chocolate will kill.

[rosiep]

Are nuts and seeds ok? Gotta have my nuts :crazy:

[jamieandben]

Are nuts and seeds ok? Gotta have my nuts :crazy:

Don't we all :lmao:

[wallyb]

Are nuts and seeds ok? Gotta have my nuts :crazy:

Well I'm just learning it myself - but I think nuts and seed are fine.
I checked on dates - I like dates as a treat.
And there is a sweetener you can have agave- it just taste sweet-
no funny flavor to it - its near the honey in your store.

gluten is the hardest one to weed out.

[npmommie]

I not sensing confidence here. :rolleyes: :

What's left?-
All veg
All fruit
All beans
All soy stuff
Grains - just not wheat.
I think I can make it - no problem.
Anyone want in?

wally I have tons of Vegan cookbooks, if you need any inspiring recipes just ask.
my fav cookbook is Vegan with a Vengeance.
she has some recipes on her website
http://www.theppk.com/

[rosiep]

Well I'm just learning it myself - but I think nuts and seed are fine.
I checked on dates - I like dates as a treat.
And there is a sweetener you can have agave- it just taste sweet-
no funny flavor to it - its near the honey in your store.

gluten is the hardest one to weed out.

I have agave syrup already. It'll never replace sugar for me..but it's not bad at all.

Gluten: no bread, no pasta, no pizza of course..what else has gluten?

[npmommie]

Are nuts and seeds ok? Gotta have my nuts :crazy:
hehe, i will leave that alone! lol
Well I'm just learning it myself - but I think nuts and seed are fine.
I checked on dates - I like dates as a treat.
And there is a sweetener you can have agave- it just taste sweet-
no funny flavor to it - its near the honey in your store.

gluten is the hardest one to weed out.

i use agave, love it, i get it at stop and shop right next to the honey
i also use raw sugar, but if i do this 21 day thing i would have to give that up:scared1:

[wallyb]

wally I have tons of Vegan cookbooks, if you need any inspiring recipes just ask.
my fav cookbook is Vegan with a Vengeance.
she has some recipes on her website
http://www.theppk.com/

Great - cool - I'll check it out!
Thanks.

[wallyb]

I have agave syrup already. It'll never replace sugar for me..but it's not bad at all.

Gluten: no bread, no pasta, no pizza of course..what else has gluten?
If it's made from or has wheat flour in it - it's OUT!

[wallyb]

i use agave, love it, i get it at stop and shop right next to the honey
i also use raw sugar, but if i do this 21 day thing i would have to give that up:scared1:

I think it would be out - no fake sweetener either.
So - good bye diet soda - I think that leave water or tea with agave.

[rpmdfw]

Isn't agave the plant they use to make tequila? :confused3

[Maxamuus]

WARNING: She's super spoiled!

What gay man's pet isnt SUPER spoiled?

My cat is so spoiled not only will he ONLY sleep on the bed, there needs to be room on the pillow for his head too....

[jkCT]

Good for you Wally, all the power to ya! I've been doing a lot of reading on all of the crud that I put into my body and yikes...reading labels is a reality check. I decided to eliminate meat, soda, and refined sugar as a start, and on week three I'm not missing it too much. There's a lot out there that is dairy free, gluten free, etc. if you are not afraid to try something new!

Jen

[npmommie]

ok, im in...........without caffeine and sugar i will be hurting. but its time to give up the vices. i will miss my coffee with french vanilla creamer in the AM!!!
I will start after labor day too. :)

[wallyb]

ok, im in...........without caffeine and sugar i will be hurting. but its time to give up the vices. i will miss my coffee with french vanilla creamer in the AM!!!
I will start after labor day too. :)

WOW! :thumbsup2
I wasn't looking to convert anyone - but Soooo Cool!
Rosie seems to be on the cusp of joining in too.
We can be cranky together! :yay:

This is a place to start...
http://www.kathyfreston.com/blogs_by_kathy/01_famous_cleanse.html

I'm still figuring out what I'm going to eat myself.

[npmommie]

thanks for the link, i will check it out.
yes i am being converted........a year ago from last winter i went vegan after Eat to Live by joel fuhrman.......i felt soooo good following the program......but i fell off the wagon a bit and started eating more junk.........and i notice a difference in how i feel. energy wise. so i want to get back to eating way better.
i really noticed a difference the most after i took dairy out of my diet. but it snuck back in lately and i want it out again!!! LOL

come on Rosie, join in..........i will definitely be cranky without caffeine!! lol

[Timon-n-Pumbaa Fan]

Um, hello?
Caffeine, sugar, and dairy are the base of my entire life! Coffee with sugar and half & half. Every day. In mass quantity.

:lmao: OMG, you would get along so well with me and Corey! :coffee:

[Timon-n-Pumbaa Fan]

Are nuts and seeds ok? Gotta have my nuts :crazy:

Don't we all :lmao:

:rotfl: Um.....not all of us.

[Timon-n-Pumbaa Fan]

More power to you guys. I am still adapting to my own changing dietary limitations. I call it practice for gastric bypass. :laughing:

I have severely limited my fat intake. I have found that palm, sunflower, and vegetable oils cause me discomfort that requires a quick trip to the potty. So, olive oil and butter are being used in extreme moderation. I have decreased my beef intake. Lots of chicken, I should cluck. Even though Corey hates fish and is allergic to shellfish, I am trying to eat more of it, because I like it and in general, it's lower fat. I have increased my intake of beans. I have eaten lots of rice and backed potatoes. Whole grain bagels and lowfat cream cheese are my breakfast food of choice. I have found that a serving of juice goes a long way to help me make it to lunch without the urge to snack. Desserts have become limited to a few pieces of dried pineapple, some cherry flavored craisins, or some flavored pecans or walnuts. This is a big change for me.

I rarely eat out anymore unless it's "date night" with Corey and even then we are making different choices. Ted's Montana Grill serves buffalo. Buffalo is much lower in fat and it tastes really good, so while ungodly expensive, it's just once a month, so it's managable. We also have found some reasonable choices at a few other places close to home. Overall, any changes in diet make a difference.

I have lost 18 lbs in the past 3 weeks.

[OrlandoMike]

Can I switch to "baked" cheetos and bud light? :confused3

I mean, the wind has finally picked up, so officially I think we are in a tropical storm now! I need my energy!

[Timon-n-Pumbaa Fan]

LOL, I think that's healthy! :thumbsup2

I'm glad to hear that you are safe.

[TuckandStuiesMom]

Clean livin' n' self-denial :thumbsup2 -- it's how we sons n' daughters of Zion do it... (actually we don't really live all that long (deaths from green jello overdosing are a deep dark guilty secret) ; it just SEEMS that way)

[wallyb]

Clean livin' n' self-denial :thumbsup2 -- it's how we sons n' daughters of Zion do it... (actually we don't really live all that long (deaths from green jello overdosing are a deep dark guilty secret) ; it just SEEMS that way)

Ahhh .... what? :confused:
Is this some kind of coded message for a sleeper cell?

[wallyb]

Did a test run of this "Cleanse" thing for diner last night -
Seems totally doable so far-

I did a kind of "vegan lite" thing a while ago - for about 3 months -
that was no problem so I think I'll be fine -
only thing different is now - I go to the gym most everyday -
so I'm not sure how that will factor in.

[npmommie]

well today i decided in preparation i would only have one cup of tea or coffee........instead of my usual 2-3......and omg i have the caffeine withdrawal headache already.
i am going to be soooooo cranky 21 days with no caffeine!!!! LOL

i will be ok with the rules except will miss sugar and caffeine. :)

[jackskellingtonsgirl]

Wally,
When I got to work this morning I found that my boss has quinoa pasta in the pantry. Not sure who bought it or why, but there it was. Gluten free. Not sure if it has other forbidden ingredients, but you can look for it at your grocery if you are interested. :confused3 She bought it at Whole Foods.

[rosiep]

Wally,
When I got to work this morning I found that my boss has quinoa pasta in the pantry. Not sure who bought it or why, but there it was. Gluten free. Not sure if it has other forbidden ingredients, but you can look for it at your grocery if you are interested. :confused3 She bought it at Whole Foods.


I love quinoa. My daughter uses it in place of rice. Seasoned shrimp, sauted red pepper and onions served over quinoa..yum

[wallyb]

Wally,
When I got to work this morning I found that my boss has quinoa pasta in the pantry. Not sure who bought it or why, but there it was. Gluten free. Not sure if it has other forbidden ingredients, but you can look for it at your grocery if you are interested. :confused3 She bought it at Whole Foods.

I heard whole foods has a print out you can get (in store) of all the gluten free stuff they have and where to find it in the store - That should make it easer

[wallyb]

Rosie- Are you in on this Too?

[rosiep]

Maybe...
I'm undecided yet. Will it affect my sex life?

[hematite153]

When are you all planning to start?

[npmommie]

When are you all planning to start?

planning to start after labor day.:)

wally....... Trader Joes also has gluten free lists, as well as vegan too.........
heres a link
http://www.traderjoes.com/labels_and_lists.html

love love love trader joes ,its cheaper than WF :)

[wallyb]

Maybe...
I'm undecided yet. Will it affect my sex life?

I think it does - :eek:
James can come live with me while you're not eating meat. :laughing:

[wallyb]

planning to start after labor day.:)

wally....... Trader Joes also has gluten free lists, as well as vegan too.........
heres a link
http://www.traderjoes.com/labels_and_lists.html

love love love trader joes ,its cheaper than WF :)

I love Trader Joes too- and it a bit easer for me to get to- whole foods is a hike.
I think what we're going to do is make big batches of things (veg chilly,
curry based stew thing etc.) and freeze the extra for another day - that should make it easer.

Anyone ever try Tempeh - what's it like?
Any Morning Star products your recommend?

[Saxton]

Wow, I give you lots of credit. I could actually go with it for the most part since I love vegetables and can do without meat. I'm not into sweets so no sugar is ok. The problem that I have is that I travel a bit for work and sometimes the options in restaurants aren't the best. Also, I take care of my parents and Mom insists on feeding me sometimes ... she gets upset if I don't eat what she makes. Right now she can't understand why I don't eat the cookies and pastry that she pushes on me, somehow she doesn't get that no starches includes that stuff!

[wallyb]

Wow, I give you lots of credit. I could actually go with it for the most part since I love vegetables and can do without meat. I'm not into sweets so no sugar is ok. The problem that I have is that I travel a bit for work and sometimes the options in restaurants aren't the best. Also, I take care of my parents and Mom insists on feeding me sometimes ... she gets upset if I don't eat what she makes. Right now she can't understand why I don't eat the cookies and pastry that she pushes on me, somehow she doesn't get that no starches includes that stuff!

My mom is a bake-o-holic too - I'm going to need to lay down the law -
she'll get mad at me if she bakes me treats (she does every :eek: weekend) and I don't partake.

[npmommie]

I love Trader Joes too- and it a bit easer for me to get to- whole foods is a hike.
I think what we're going to do is make big batches of things (veg chilly,
curry based stew thing etc.) and freeze the extra for another day - that should make it easer.

Anyone ever try Tempeh - what's it like?
Any Morning Star products your recommend?

wally i love tempeh! you can find it at TJ's in the fridge section with all the other meatless stuff.
love morning star products too.
the meal starter " chicken " strips are soooo yummy and also the "beef" strips.
the "sausage" patties are really good too and the "ground beef"
my meat eater hubby loves the stuff.

oh i have a really good tempeh "bacon" recipe i will dig it out and post if for you!

[wallyb]

wally i love tempeh! you can find it at TJ's in the fridge section with all the other meatless stuff.
love morning star products too.
the meal starter " chicken " strips are soooo yummy and also the "beef" strips.
the "sausage" patties are really good too and the "ground beef"
my meat eater hubby loves the stuff.

oh i have a really good tempeh "bacon" recipe i will dig it out and post if for you!

Wow-
This is all really helpful - THANKS! ;)

This is sounding more and more doable. :yay:

[rosiep]

I think it does - :eek:
James can come live with me while you're not eating meat. :laughing:

:lmao: :lmao: :lmao:

Not on your life....keep your stinking paws off my Hubby!

[rosiep]

Everyone should know:

My goat doesn't eat meat, doesn't use sugar, doesn't partake of caffeine...and he really really stinks! :laughing:

[wallyb]

:lmao: :lmao: :lmao:

Not on your life....keep your stinking paws off my Hubby!

It was not my paws I was going to put on him.

[wallyb]

Everyone should know:

My goat doesn't eat meat, doesn't use sugar, doesn't partake of caffeine...and he really really stinks! :laughing:

Again - GOAT - in that other thread.
Not here.

[rosiep]

Are you saying my goat is not welcome??? He goes where I go!
And if not your paws...you don't mean....why...I...you!....eek!

[wallyb]

Are you saying my goat is not welcome??? He goes where I go!
And if not your paws...you don't mean....why...I...you!....eek!

I don't need to ues my hands dear-
I'm a freakin professional!

[rpmdfw]

I'm a freakin professional!

A professional freak? :scared:

[rosiep]

There you have it folks....Wally is a self proclaimed professional freak...

[wallyb]

There you have it folks....Wally is a self proclaimed professional freak...

Well I said "freakin" because I thought "frigin" would get edited-
and most of my friends say "freakin" anyway - BUT... you know what...
I'll take the "Freak" moniker and wear it proudly - thank you!:snooty:

Heck half my friends are freaks -
That last party I had looked like a "FREAKIN" Fellini film.

So yes lady - I be freaky- what of it?
Ya want a piece of this? :mad:

;)

[rpmdfw]

Ya want a piece of this?

Watch out! She bites!

[rosiep]

Watch out! She bites!

You say that like it's a bad thing!

[wallyb]

(Here's where hell freezes over)
Here me advocating getting back on topic...

Anyone find a gluten free / sugar free breakfast cereal?

[rosiep]

Brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr!

[wallyb]

Brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr!

That's sounds like an interesting cereal-
what's in it?

[rosiep]

Goat Nuggets :rolleyes1

[wallyb]

Goat - other thread. :headache:

[rosiep]

GOAT GOAT GOAT GOAT GOAT GOAT GOAT GOAT GOAT GOAT GOAT GOAT
GOAT GOAT GOAT GOAT GOAT GOAT GOAT GOAT

[rosiep]

Now someone talk to Wally about his diet before he passes a goat nugget...

[wallyb]

GOAT GOAT GOAT GOAT GOAT GOAT GOAT GOAT GOAT GOAT GOAT GOAT
GOAT GOAT GOAT GOAT GOAT GOAT GOAT GOAT

SEE - THE THREAD THAT SHALL NOT BE NAMED!

[Saxton]

Wally is talking about 'purification' and he's trying to keep a thread on track?! I feel like I've entered into a gay verson of the Twilight Zone.

[rosiep]

redeeming myself:

I seem to find sugar free or gluten free..but not both.

http://onlysometimesclever.wordpress.com/2007/03/16/two-gluten-free-breakfast-cereals-one-disgraceful-strike-out-and-one-home-run/

http://www.diabeticdirect.com/sugar-free-cereals-168-ctg.htm

[wallyb]

Wally is talking about 'purification' and he's trying to keep a thread on track?! I feel like I've entered into a gay verson of the Twilight Zone.

Please - I'm under no delusion that any thread will stay on topic.
But you can't blame a girl for trying. ;)

And - Hey! I'm pure - or I will be.:flower3:

[rosiep]

Please - I'm under no delusion that any thread will stay on topic.
But you can't blame a girl for trying. ;)

And - Hey! I'm pure - or I will be.:flower3:

You do know you can't bring PURE back....believe me, I've tried. They can always tell......

[hematite153]

wally i love tempeh!

On the other side, I can't stand the stuff and I've been vegetarian for more than 20 years.


love morning star products too.
the meal starter " chicken " strips are soooo yummy and also the "beef" strips.
the "sausage" patties are really good too and the "ground beef"
my meat eater hubby loves the stuff.


However, most of these products have wheat gluten.

Anyone find a gluten free / sugar free breakfast cereal?

Oatmeal!

It's simple, easy to make, can have fruit, nuts, etc. easily added for greater variety.

I've also previously made a vegan, wheat-free cookie with ground oats and garbanzo bean flour that gets rave reviews. I've never tried cooking with agave syrup so I'm not sure how it would change things, but, you can try suggesting this to your mother.

[wallyb]

You do know you can't bring PURE back....believe me, I've tried. They can always tell......

If you make enough noise - protest a bit - oh me oh my no no no ooh aaah yes -
and then turn all kitteny - a mini Taming of the Shrew - they fall for it -
every time - men are so easy. :rolleyes:

Sometimes you even get jewlery!::yes::

:rotfl:

[wallyb]

Oatmeal!
.

Hey thanks-
We're going to do the steel cut stuff -
But do you know if there is a dry kind of cereal as well?
Just for some variety

[hematite153]

But do you know if there is a dry kind of cereal as well?

Oatmeal! :teeth:

(Well, people often call it granola. Sure, many commercial granolas contain all kinds of things you won't be able to eat, but, you can make your own really easily.)

[npmommie]

However, most of these products have wheat gluten.





oh yeah, i forgot about the gluten aspect of this thing!!! ms does have wheat gluten.
well there is always quorn for a meat analog. they are really tasty too, just harder to find
http://www.quorn.us//cmpage.aspx?section=OurRange

[wallyb]

Oatmeal! :teeth:

(Well, people often call it granola. Sure, many commercial granolas contain all kinds of things you won't be able to eat, but, you can make your own really easily.)

I'll look up how to Make it.
Anything in the cereal Isle that you know of?
Kashi?

[rosiep]

I'm not sure how well agave syrup will toast..but I make a batch of granola every week for James.

I use 4 cups of oatmeal
3/4 cup to a whole cup of nuts or seeds
a dash of salt (can be omitted)
1/2 cup to 3/4 cup unsweetened coconut
You can add some ground flax seed, cinnamon..you get the idea..play with it.
I also add brown sugar and honey....you'll have to eyeball the amount of agave syrup to use- you don't want the mixture too wet.
and finally 2 tbls of oil...
Put all this in a large bowl and toss to coat.
spead out onto a rimmed cookie sheet and bake at 200 degrees. Usually about 40 minutes until dry. You'll want to stir this well every 10 minutes or so to ensure even browning. When it's done allow to air cool. You can add dried fruit at this point if you want too.
store in an airtight ziplock or tupperware

[hematite153]

Granola can also be sweetened with dried fruits (dates are a standard granola sweetener that we don't see often in other places, but, a variety of dried fruits tastes good too), so, if the agave syrup doesn't work so well you can just use fruit.

[wallyb]

I'm not sure how well agave syrup will toast..but I make a batch of granola every week for James.

I use 4 cups of oatmeal
3/4 cup to a whole cup of nuts or seeds
a dash of salt (can be omitted)
1/2 cup to 3/4 cup unsweetened coconut
You can add some ground flax seed, cinnamon..you get the idea..play with it.
I also add brown sugar and honey....you'll have to eyeball the amount of agave syrup to use- you don't want the mixture too wet.
and finally 2 tbls of oil...
Put all this in a large bowl and toss to coat.
spead out onto a rimmed cookie sheet and bake at 200 degrees. Usually about 40 minutes until dry. You'll want to stir this well every 10 minutes or so to ensure even browning. When it's done allow to air cool. You can add dried fruit at this point if you want too.
store in an airtight ziplock or tupperware

I'm going to ask the provable dumb question here-
dry oat meal - not cooked?
I can use the Steel cut kind?

[rosiep]

I'm going to ask the provable dumb question here-
dry oat meal - not cooked?
I can use the Steel cut kind?

Uncooked oatmeal. I use old fashioned..I don't see why you couldn't use the Steel cut kind. If you want you can halve the recipe and see how that turns out...

[wallyb]

Uncooked oatmeal. I use old fashioned..I don't see why you couldn't use the Steel cut kind. If you want you can halve the recipe and see how that turns out...

Thanks.
Will do.

[hematite153]

Steel cut oats will give you a slightly nuttier richer tasting granola. Quick cooking oats will give you clumpier granola. I've been known to mix varieties of oats to create textural variety.

[npmommie]

i am going to try this to kick the caffeine habit
www.teeccino.com

[hematite153]

Anything in the cereal Isle that you know of?
Kashi?

I'm pretty sure Kashi has wheat in it.

We used to eat puffed rice and puffed corn when I was a kid. I'm not much of a cereal aisle person though so I couldn't tell you who's making it these days. But, I suspect that if you go somewhere like Whole Foods or Trader Joe's they'll have something.

[npmommie]

I'm pretty sure Kashi has wheat in it.

We used to eat puffed rice and puffed corn when I was a kid. I'm not much of a cereal aisle person though so I couldn't tell you who's making it these days. But, I suspect that if you go somewhere like Whole Foods or Trader Joe's they'll have something.

enviro kids, gorilla munch......my kids eat it :)

[wallyb]

OMG Soy sauce is out!
Tamari is made with more soybeans than ordinary soy sauce, resulting in a smoother, more balanced, and complex flavor. In the 17th and 18th centuries, the manufacturing of soy sauce developed from a household art to a commercial industry. To increase production, the thick, whole soybean mixture was replaced with a mixture of half wheat and half soybean. The new liquid resulting from fermentation became known as Shoyu, the common type of soy sauce used today.

It's amazing the stuff they sneak gluten into! :sad2:

[rosiep]

So Wally? How's it going? More importantly: How are you going? Anything backing up? Loosening up? :rolleyes1

[hematite153]

OMG Soy sauce is out!
Tamari is made with more soybeans than ordinary soy sauce, resulting in a smoother, more balanced, and complex flavor. In the 17th and 18th centuries, the manufacturing of soy sauce developed from a household art to a commercial industry. To increase production, the thick, whole soybean mixture was replaced with a mixture of half wheat and half soybean. The new liquid resulting from fermentation became known as Shoyu, the common type of soy sauce used today.

It's amazing the stuff they sneak gluten into! :sad2:

Sorry, I wouldn't have figured it was really sneaking wheat into it given that most soy sauces are a mixture of soy and wheat definitionally.

But, your quote is about tamari. True tamari doesn't contain wheat and you should be able to find some wheat-free tamari if you look around. However, fair warning, tamari is much stronger than shoyu or chinese soy sauces and has a different flavour. Use less than you are used to and add water. You'll need to experiment to get the right combination for yourself.

[wallyb]

Sorry, I wouldn't have figured it was really sneaking wheat into it given that most soy sauces are a mixture of soy and wheat definitionally.

But, your quote is about tamari. True tamari doesn't contain wheat and you should be able to find some wheat-free tamari if you look around. However, fair warning, tamari is much stronger than shoyu or chinese soy sauces and has a different flavour. Use less than you are used to and add water. You'll need to experiment to get the right combination for yourself.

Yeah - that's why I posted it - Tamari - seems to be the way to go.
I never really knew SOYsause had wheat.
It just amazes me where they sneak it in.
Remember I just started this "read the labels" Diet.

[npmommie]

wally did you start yet, or are you waiting til after the weekend?
i am already freaking out about no caffeine and sugar........lol:rotfl:

[wallyb]

wally did you start yet, or are you waiting til after the weekend?
i am already freaking out about no caffeine and sugar........lol:rotfl:

Staring on Tuesday after this long weekend-
Getting all the alt food together this week-

I hear if you can get though the first 3 or 4 days
of 0 caffeine you're fine.

You do know you can have decaffe on this ...
life altering state of higher consciousness :laughing: we are about to embark on.

[PghLybrt]

I am so sorry for this, but I keep seeing this come up and I sit here thinking " Pure Thought" really? do we have any on this board? :rotfl2:

So I must say the title is soooooooo misleading! :laughing:

As for what it is really about, we eat very peculiar in our home. We try to do all local, fresh and whole.(My favorite thing is figuring out what to make for dinner from my garden!) Well expect maybe the alcohol (except beer) but that might change soon as we just got PA's first Vodka plant!!

[wallyb]

I am so sorry for this, but I keep seeing this come up and I sit here thinking " Pure Thought" really? do we have any on this board? :rotfl2:

So I must say the title is soooooooo misleading! :laughing:

As for what it is really about, we eat very peculiar in our home. We try to do all local, fresh and whole.(My favorite thing is figuring out what to make for dinner from my garden!) Well expect maybe the alcohol (except beer) but that might change soon as we just got PA's first Vodka plant!!

Now you've seen me around here - I'm nothing it not PURE! http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd222/Sh3rLyN18/angel.png
So what are you going on about MISSY?:snooty:

[rosiep]

When the subject of Wally comes up around our dinner table (and it would astound you how often that is)-the first thing everyone says is...St. Wally...Snow White Wally....Pure Wally....

So, yeah, I have no idea what PghLybrt is talking about either!

[PghLybrt]

Wow !!! sorry :worship: I must have slipped into some alternate universe and came back all confused......maybe some more beer will help me think straight.....wait straight? hmmmmmmm now I am soooooo confused!! :rotfl:


( Don't worry I am drinking Jines Root Beer at work )

[rosiep]

No, I'm sorry.
It's just my job to stir things up. :cutie:

[wallyb]

When the subject of Wally comes up around our dinner table (and it would astound you how often that is)-the first thing everyone says is...St. Wally...Snow White Wally....Pure Wally....

So, yeah, I have no idea what PghLybrt is talking about either!


See - Chaste Wally!
100% pure W Man! :yay:

[rpmdfw]

100% pure W Man! :yay:


At first glance I thought that said "100% pure Woman" :rotfl2: :lmao:

[PghLybrt]

No, I'm sorry.
It's just my job to stir things up. :cutie:

Never!;)



:flower3:

[PghLybrt]

At first glance I thought that said "100% pure Woman" :rotfl2: :lmao:

I thought so too!! I was like...hmmm there is more to this story than we know!!

[wallyb]

At first glance I thought that said "100% pure Woman" :rotfl2: :lmao:

So funny! :rotfl: funny.
AND NO! :mad:

[rosiep]

So funny! :rotfl: funny.
AND NO! :mad:

Are you sure? Those breasts are looking a little swollen....

[wallyb]

Are you sure? Those breasts are looking a little swollen....

Well see I was at the gym today and this guy couldn't get
the sauna door open - so I when over to help...
Well the swelling will go down - but the teeth marks might take a while.
The slightest abrasion will leave a mark.
I bruise so easily - creamy white skin and all - it's a curse.

[rosiep]

Well see I was at the gym today and this guy couldn't get
the sauna door open - so I when over to help...
Well the swelling will go down - but the teeth marks might take a while.
The slightest abrasion will leave a mark.
I bruise so easily - creamy white skin and all - it's a curse.

If you were bitten....and you swelled like that...what musta happened to me??????

http://i124.photobucket.com/albums/p21/rosiepik/DisneylandApril08/DisneylandApril2008038.jpg

[wallyb]

http://i124.photobucket.com/albums/p21/rosiepik/DisneylandApril08/DisneylandApril2008038.jpg
:scared1:
Another set of Mountains At WDW!

[rpmdfw]

:scared1:
Another set of Mountains At WDW!

Dude. That's Disneyland, not WDW

[wallyb]

Dude. That's Disneyland, not WDW

Well then - they have the Matterhorn too - right?
So that makes 6 with Rosie - right?

[rosiep]

There you go again...making mountains out of molehills.........No, wait, your right...they gigantic.

[PghLybrt]

And you two are telling me how pure you are! :rotfl2:

[rosiep]

And you two are telling me how pure you are! :rotfl2:

I'm pure...big and pure.

[hematite153]

Remember I just started this "read the labels" Diet.

Right! I've been reading labels for 20+ years, so, it's rather second nature for me and I forget that others just buy food and eat. I mean, I regularly re-read labels of food that I eat all the time, just in case they've changed their recipe because I have ended up getting sick when I forgot to do so. While you're reading those labels, just look at all the things they sneak chicken into--it actually seems to keep getting worse and is at the point where I rarely trust people who call food vegetarian unless they let me read the ingredients myself. I mean, there is even a professional catering company around here that widely advertises their vegetarian menu who puts chicken broth in their supposedly vegetarian rice. When I called them on it I was told that "it's just for flavour and doesn't make it non-vegetarian". Argh!!!

Btw, Tamari is a form of soy sauce and you can get it in the same section as all the others in my local grocery store.


I hear if you can get though the first 3 or 4 days
of 0 caffeine you're fine.


Yes, and, no.

If your addiction to caffeine is purely chemical and purely to caffeine, then, this is true. However, if your addiction is psychological as well (most are) then you'll need something to replace the "caffeine craving". So, when you really want the cup of coffee you make yourself a nice cup of warm organic peppermint/lemongrass tea, or, something similar. Also, if you are addicted to coffee, coffee actually contains a bunch of other oils that are even more addictive than caffeine and you may keep craving it for longer.

I'm wishing you luck.

I'm not going to join in for several reasons (not the least of which is that the animal products I eat are something I need to keep my body used to), but, I think I'm going to use it as incentive to truly cut out high-fructose corn syrup. I'm mostly good with this except when traveling in the US where all kinds of things seem to contain it--I couldn't believe it when I recently discovered that US Gatorade now has high-fructose corn syrup when their claim to fame used to be that they had balanced their product for optimum hydration usage whereas other sports drinks used HFCS. Argh!

Anyway, sorry for staying on-topic, but, I seem to recall Wally claiming that was his goal for this thread--despite the evidence to the contrary! I'm having fun listening in though. ;)

[PghLybrt]

I'm pure...big and pure.

:rotfl2: :rotfl: :lmao:

That was a good one!!!

I mean, what ? I don't get it :rolleyes1

[wallyb]

Anyway, sorry for staying on-topic,;)

Don't let it happen again. :mad:

[PghLybrt]

[QUOTE=hematite153;27193315]

If your addiction to caffeine is purely chemical and purely to caffeine, then, this is true. However, if your addiction is psychological as well (most are) then you'll need something to replace the "caffeine craving". So, when you really want the cup of coffee you make yourself a nice cup of warm organic peppermint/lemongrass tea, or, something similar. Also, if you are addicted to coffee, coffee actually contains a bunch of other oils that are even more addictive than caffeine and you may keep craving it for longer.


[QUOTE]

I see what you are saying with that line of thinking.

I am pretty good cutting out junk (most of it I just do not like meaning chocolate, peanut butter and coffee) but my problem comes with Coke. I simply just can't drink enough. I did switch from Diet to regular (because my BIL told me the product they use to make it sweet was developed to actually make cancer patients eat. That made sense because I could blow through an entire 12 pack no problem 1 day at work!!!!) Now with regular I only drink maybe 4 (I know it is still horrible!) Any suggestions on what would replace that in my head? Anyone? .:flower3:

[wallyb]

okay - all ready to start on Tuesday-
the house is full of veg fruit and :scared1: SOY!

Hope I don't get mean. :guilty:

Meaner.:lmao:

[rosiep]

okay - all ready to start on Tuesday-
the house is full of veg fruit and :scared1: SOY!

Hope I don't get mean. :guilty:

Meaner.:lmao:

I'm here for you bud...no, really. Right here eating my Cheetoes and Corn Dogs...

[wallyb]

I'm here for you bud...no, really. Right here eating my Cheetoes and Corn Dogs...

Could it be fudge frosting from the can? - the whole can!

[hematite153]

I am pretty good cutting out junk ... but my problem comes with Coke. ... Any suggestions on what would replace that in my head? Anyone? .:flower3:

I have a similar problem with Pepsi. I claim that I'm addicted to caffeine, and I am, but, the biggest issue is that I simply LIKE Pepsi. I've found that Mountain Dew (the Canadian non-caffeinated version) seems to fill the same taste desire for me. I'm not sure why it works, but, it does and since it doesn't include caffeine I drink less of it because it doesn't feed the chemical addiction.

Obviously Mountain Dew won't work for you unless you take a drive across the border or visit an import store, but, perhaps you can come up with something else to switch to and take it in steps. (I.e. Barqs has coke and root-beer flavour, then move to regular non-caffeinated root-beer, then to natural root-beer, then to juice, etc.)

[hematite153]

Don't let it happen again. :mad:

But....


Here me advocating getting back on topic...


You asked for it!!!

Make up your mind, already!?