What a dlrp do you hate? not including other people

[stonfiesta]

So......if theres anything you can take out of the park and never to return.......not including people, or peoples habits.

i would probably say get rid of the windmill ride(sorry for lack of proper name).....have never seen it move.......maybe another well suited ride could go there instead? although it is quite scenic....but i just think whats the point.

[torsie24]

Indiana jones, and put a splash mountain there!!

Also HISTA to be replaced by something good and great looking too!

[davewasbaloo]

Hmmmm, I would reduce the number of rubberheads and replace it with more theme specific streetmousphere, bands, stuntmen etc. (Same with shopping and dining choices).

I would get rid of all the cheap funfair stuff in the Village.

I would also get rid of the dining options in Discoveryland and start over adding quality options.

[Tillybud]

Indiana jones, and put a splash mountain there!!



I'm with you on that one, it would be amazing :)

[torsie24]

Hmmmm, I would reduce the number of rubberheads and replace it with more theme specific streetmousphere, bands, stuntmen etc. (Same with shopping and dining choices).

I would get rid of all the cheap funfair stuff in the Village.

I would also get rid of the dining options in Discoveryland and start over adding quality options.
Oh yeah! That ugly carosel outside the rainforest cafe. Angered me so much!

[luke7059]

I wouldn't say i hate it, but I've never really seen anybody in the Pocahontas Indian Village or Critter Corral. If you have kids, they probably love these areas, but I would love to see this area become Splash Mountain! A boy can dream...!

[davewasbaloo]

I would seriously reduce the number of stupid buffets returning at least the Parkside Diner and Hunter's Grill to their former glory (as well as Manhatten)

[thelittlemermaid83]

Oh yeah! That ugly carosel outside the rainforest cafe. Angered me so much!

LOL Kyra actually went on that, the guy tried to charge me for standing next to her on the horse to make sure she didnt fall off...i told him where to stick it :rotfl:

There isnt anything id like in particular to go but there are a lot of things i would love to see added.

Also agree with Dave about a band in Mainstreet, the ones i seen at WDW are fab.

[Bolanette87]

So......if theres anything you can take out of the park and never to return.......not including people, or peoples habits.

i would probably say get rid of the windmill ride(sorry for lack of proper name).....have never seen it move.......maybe another well suited ride could go there instead? although it is quite scenic....but i just think whats the point.

I don't think it works at all anymore... Which is a shame 'cause I loved it as a kid....

I would personally revamp the whole of Discoveryland.... I think all of the lands but Fantasyland could do with a few more rides, and they need a few more in the Studios, but theres plenty of time for that!!

Having said that, I love it dearly and wouldn't mind if it didn't change a lot... :hug:

Bob xoxoxox

[ukstitch]

So......if theres anything you can take out of the park and never to return.......not including people, or peoples habits.

i would probably say get rid of the windmill ride(sorry for lack of proper name).....have never seen it move.......maybe another well suited ride could go there instead? although it is quite scenic....but i just think whats the point.


You can't get rid of the windmill, that's an important piece of theming at Christmas time :rotfl:

As mentioned above, I'd lose the funfair stuff in the village and the banner / scaffolding in front of Studio 1 (I know it's not been replaced with a banner looking like the front of studio 1, but what's wrong with the real front of studio 1?!).

I might also be tempted (controversial I know, so don't hate me here!) to lose the tram tour or at least shorten it. The tram tour takes up a huge amount of space for one attraction and I just think that the space could be better used to build a whole new land / area, the sum of which would hopefully be better than the single tram tour.

[britchic4]

My kids love Pocohontas Indian Village and its a nice way of just doing something different and not standing in queues which is really hard for little ones. So would definitely keep that. Hmm. I'd do something about the tram tour as well not get rid of it but I think there's a lot of wasted space round there.

[hildasmuriel]

Oooh, that's a good point about the Tram Tour. Surely all we are interested in is the Catastrophe Canyon bit and the Reign of Fire set. The rest is just padding.

[Dianetigger]

Nothing further to add but just thought I'd post a picture of a band that was playing a few times on Main Street last week, they even got some people dancing!

http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f271/di1959uk/bandonmainstreet.jpg

[gemmybear83]

I would replace or re theme the santa fe - I know this is a controverisal choice with santa fe fans but I don't like the theming on the outside of the hotel....I even find umm ugly ?!! (Sorry!!!!!)

The rooms themselves look great, but I don't think the theming is as good as the other hotels

[giuly09]

Also HISTA to be replaced by something good and great looking too!

I hated it when it ha just opened and hate it even more now lol
It needs to be changed with something better :thumbsup2

[thelittlemermaid83]

Nothing further to add but just thought I'd post a picture of a band that was playing a few times on Main Street last week, they even got some people dancing!

http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f271/di1959uk/bandonmainstreet.jpg


I would so love to see the band on Mainstreet.

[tennisfan]

For me it has to be HISTA, which was ok when it first opened but has done its time.

I also hate IASW, the ride is just torture. When my dad & I did a day trip in November a few years back it was quiet & they ask if we wanted to stay on the ride. I couldn't get off it quick enough:lmao: I would also like to see the teacups be replaced with something else.

The Village needs a bit of a revamp, which is in the plans so we shall see how that works out:)

[thelittlemermaid83]

I also hate IASW, the ride is just torture. When my dad I did a day trip in November a few years back it was quiet & they ask if we wanted to stay on the ride. I couldn't get off it quick enough:lmao:



:rotfl: :rotfl:

[davewasbaloo]

I also hate IASW, the ride is just torture. When my dad & I did a day trip in November a few years back it was quiet & they ask if we wanted to stay on the ride. I couldn't get off it quick enough:lmao: I would also like to see the teacups be replaced with something else.



:scared1: :scared1: :scared1: NO WAY. my record on IASW is 14 trips without getting off. Record on teacups is 10 times.

IASW is my wife's fav (and one of the reasons I did my bachelors in International Relations I think), and the tea cups are my son's fav.

[A Small World]

I also hate IASW

:sad1: :sad1: :sad2: :sad2: :sad1: :sad1:

[torsie24]

:sad1: :sad1: :sad2: :sad2: :sad1: :sad1:
This is how hearing things against my beloved IASW makes me feel too!

Love love love this ride, although I was dissappointed that the ceiling is so obvious at the paris one, makes me feel too much like I'm in a big warehouse.

Looking at my DLCa photos the ceiling is completely hidden....a lot more magical!

[tennisfan]

Sorry for hating IASW, once is my limit, otherwise the song will get stuck in my head for the rest of the day:lmao:

[ukstitch]

Sorry for hating IASW, once is my limit, otherwise the song will get stuck in my head for the rest of the day:lmao:

Agreed! Great ride but with an annoyingly addictive song! Once in a row is enough for me, although I'll gladly take another trip round on a different day.

See just, reading this thread has got that song back in my head :rotfl2:

[davewasbaloo]

Agreed! Great ride but with an annoyingly addictive song! Once in a row is enough for me, although I'll gladly take another trip round on a different day.

See just, reading this thread has got that song back in my head :rotfl2:

Sign of great writing!!!

Some antedotes include other inspired Sherman numbers such as:

Great Big Beautiful Tomorrow
One Little Spark
Supercalifragilisticexpealodocious

[cap'njack.]

I would so love to see the band on Mainstreet.

This sort of quote makes me sad. Back in the early to late 1990's you couldn't walk down Main Street WITHOUT seeing a band (not always the same one either)

It's one of the things that I personally miss the most but that I guess most guests don't even know happened.

My wife didn't believe the amount of stuff that has been removed from the park until I dug out old photo's.

In terms of what to take out I'd get rid of Autopia and use a new E ticket ride there to spark Discoveryland back into its former glory (and as an excuse to get the flames back!!)

[markpsych]

Hmmmm, I would reduce the number of rubberheads and replace it with more theme specific streetmousphere, bands, stuntmen etc. (Same with shopping and dining choices).

I would get rid of all the cheap funfair stuff in the Village.

I would also get rid of the dining options in Discoveryland and start over adding quality options.

Spot on Dave :thumbsup2

I'd also put a little variety/quality back into the shops.

Sort out the Pirates ride so you don't end up in a queue of boats at the end of the ride. It's okay the first few times as it gives you an opportunity to look at some of the last sets up close....but kills the atmosphere for me now.

The indian village and pirate play areas are important, but they're just too small for Disney's scale (I've seen larger play areas in local parks), and lack sufficient seating for us 'older kids'.

How many trains are there, one or two? As much as I love it ride around the park, the queue is just too long most of the time.

I quite like HISTA (when all the effects are working), but the pre-show must go!

The Space Mountain 2 coaster needs replacing with one that doesn't kill so many brain cells.

[davewasbaloo]

I am very sad by everything we have lost because of the financial woes, or the concentration on toons. It is heartbreaking because at one time DLP was the finest Disney park on the planet. Sadly, those who are new visitors or were children when they first went, don't recognise and don't know any better. Compared to the other Disney resorts around the globe, our entertainment offerings are well behind (though we have the best quality stage shows!!!!).

As for Autopia, I cannot agree. And once your little one is 4 or 5 you will probably ome over to my side. The pure glee my son has chauffering his dad (and cracking up when I tell him I am too young to die). Autopia and the tea cups are totally in his top 10.

[davewasbaloo]

Spot on Dave :thumbsup2

How many trains are there, one or two? As much as I love it ride around the park, the queue is just too long most of the time.


There are 4, it is designed so the max wait should be about 10 minutes. Sadly ops never seem to run them to capacity (and nor do they tend to run all day either :confused:

[cap'njack.]

As for Autopia, I cannot agree. And once your little one is 4 or 5 you will probably ome over to my side. The pure glee my son has chauffering his dad (and cracking up when I tell him I am too young to die). Autopia and the tea cups are totally in his top 10.

My main gripe with Autopia is that whenever I go it is not open!. For me it represents a waste of space, a ride that could be excellent but that just doesn't seem to operate enough to make it worthwhile.

[markpsych]

Sorry, I forgot about this, and I know it won't be a popular choice but....I HATE the Character Express :eek:

I'm not a huge character fan anyway, and the Express makes an appearance so frequently, it just kills the Main St atmosphere for me.

....and that dreadful song :headache:

[DLPdaft]

Oh Mark - I love that song - I'm usually already waiting somewhere along Main St just to hear the first strains of that song - then I'm dancing and going "whoo - whoo" long before Casey Jnr can be seen :cool1: :cool1: !

I'm not that fussed about the characters on it though, and apart from the first time we saw it, we haven't joined the scrum once for autographs/photos.

Elaine

[thelittlemermaid83]

Sorry, I forgot about this, and I know it won't be a popular choice but....I HATE the Character Express :eek:

I'm not a huge character fan anyway, and the Express makes an appearance so frequently, it just kills the Main St atmosphere for me.

....and that dreadful song :headache:

:eek: How can you say that??:lmao:

I love the Character Express the song is sooo catchy!!

[markpsych]

Sorry girls :flower3:

[Emergency Kitten]

Its ok Markpsych (took me three attempts to spell that) - I am not a big fan either. Not particularly character-fussed, and the train seems pretty frequent. I don't mind the song, but the train does rather jam up Main street.

I'd probably lose IASW too, have ridden it precisely once in god knows how many trips, i hate it; Autopia is NEVER open, so that can go; Nautilus - is it even still open? Dull.

That's it though - I don't hate anything except those hundreds of singing dolls, in truth.

And as I seem to be saying quite frequently at the moment, wouldn't it be boring if everyone was all the same?

I am sure when we have kids we'll like completely different things, and appreciate the childrens rides for the sheer joy of the kids themselves, not the rides. Until them I am a grown up in her 30's who loves disney and loves big thrill rides....

[tennisfan]

Its ok Markpsych (took me three attempts to spell that) - I am not a big fan either. Not particularly character-fussed, and the train seems pretty frequent. I don't mind the song, but the train does rather jam up Main street.

I'd probably lose IASW too, have ridden it precisely once in god knows how many trips, i hate it; Autopia is NEVER open, so that can go; Nautilus - is it even still open? Dull.

That's it though - I don't hate anything except those hundreds of singing dolls, in truth.

And as I seem to be saying quite frequently at the moment, wouldn't it be boring if everyone was all the same?

I am sure when we have kids we'll like completely different things, and appreciate the childrens rides for the sheer joy of the kids themselves, not the rides. Until them I am a grown up in her 30's who loves disney and loves big thrill rides....

Yay someone agrees with me about IASW:yay: ;)

[marcus.ka]

Sorry, I forgot about this, and I know it won't be a popular choice but....I HATE the Character Express :eek:


I do hate this one too. I love almost every song at DLRP but this one is awful (only "Happy, happy, happy, happy Halloween" is more awful!)

If we only heared the "uh uh" at the beginning we escaped further to the park or went to the Studios. We only saw the Character Express once. :headache:

[markpsych]

I am sure when we have kids we'll like completely different things, and appreciate the childrens rides for the sheer joy of the kids themselves, not the rides. Until them I am a grown up in her 30's who loves disney and loves big thrill rides....

That's it exactly, IASW is one of the few rides that you can easily take your youngest children on. Before they're old enough to walk they'll love this ride, and you'll spend most of the ride just watching them enjoy themselves :cloud9:

I have to admit I'm quite fond of the ride anyway. It's obviously a Disney classic, one of the originals, and very kitsch! I always find it quite a surreal experience where you can just loose yourself for the duration of the ride pixiedust:

[davewasbaloo]

It was riding IASW that I felt I had to propose to my now wife. No kids involved. But then I grew up with the original since I was a baby.

And yes, I would get rid of character express. Frankly I would get rid of most of the characters outside Fantasyland or the Studios (where they belong).

[torsie24]

It was riding IASW that I felt I had to propose to my now wife. No kids involved. But then I grew up with the original since I was a baby.

And yes, I would get rid of character express. Frankly I would get rid of most of the characters outside Fantasyland or the Studios (where they belong).
That is so sweet! *tear*

[torsie24]

Just was reminded of this on another thread.

The top 10 things to do at DLRP on the TV.

None of the others nation's offerings are any better either.

[tigger300686]

:eek: How can you say that??:lmao:

I love the Character Express the song is sooo catchy!!

:rotfl: Me 2, I always sing along

[ukstitch]

I don't mind the character express itself, but what i do hate about it is the rugby scrum that comes with it. It makes it difficult to see the characters and it's also difficult to get round the scrum if you don't want to see the characters, so you can't win either way.

[davewasbaloo]

The Character express song was bad when it was Party Express in Tokyo, and it's bad now. and people dis IASW....rather hear It's a Small world anyday. could be worse, Toon Circus was the worst Disney song ever (as well as Need Magic)

[k-herm]

I hate that there's no fastpass for Crush.

2 days in a row we arrived at 9am and didn't ride for 80/90 minutes. It's madness :confused3 - Before the 10am opening, the queue was back to Studio 1 and circling in on itself. Why on earth the flying carpets can have FP but Crush can't still doesn't make sense to me.

Also I hate that the Village looks so cheap. Anyone who's been to Downtown Disney in Florida will know what I'm on about - that is smart and clean and slick and impressive, whereas the Village looks like a run down seaside resort.

I also hate it that lots of the French/Italian/Spanish women who visit DLP are incredibly beautiful and I'm already married :mad: .

[markpsych]

I also hate it that lots of the French/Italian/Spanish women who visit DLP are incredibly beautiful and I'm already married :mad: .

Just joking Mrs Herm ;)

[davewasbaloo]

I hate that there's no fastpass for Crush.

2 days in a row we arrived at 9am and didn't ride for 80/90 minutes. It's madness :confused3 - Before the 10am opening, the queue was back to Studio 1 and circling in on itself. Why on earth the flying carpets can have FP but Crush can't still doesn't make sense to me.



It's a capacity issue, fastpass won't solve that. Instead you would queue for ages to get a fastpass, and you would have to be there first thing in the morning before they sell out, then the park would be mega crowded with all the people not in the queue.

I'm sorry, but Fastpass may seem convenient, but for park ops, they actually really diminish the park experience over all.

[ukstitch]

It's a capacity issue, fastpass won't solve that. Instead you would queue for ages to get a fastpass, and you would have to be there first thing in the morning before they sell out, then the park would be mega crowded with all the people not in the queue.

I'm sorry, but Fastpass may seem convenient, but for park ops, they actually really diminish the park experience over all.

Very true. I think a better solution would be a single rider queue, although fitting it in may be tricky. That way, they can fill all the empty seats which go spare, which seemed to be happening quite a lot when we went last month.

[torsie24]

Has anyone noticed how they aren't smart with ToT either?

We queued for over 45 minutes for it, and were then in a lift that was half empty....

[k-herm]

I hate that there's no fastpass for Crush.

2 days in a row we arrived at 9am and didn't ride for 80/90 minutes. It's madness :confused3

It's a capacity issue...

Sorry dave...I don't quite understand what you mean.

Why should fastpass on crush work any different from Thunder Mountain [the was a 15 minute scrum for f/p tickets on that last week] or say, Soarin' in WDW [f/p ran out by midday every day last time we went]? If f/p is available for them, why not crush?

[ukstitch]

Sorry dave...I don't quite understand what you mean.

Why should fastpass on crush work any different from Thunder Mountain [the was a 15 minute scrum for f/p tickets on that last week] or say, Soarin' in WDW [f/p ran out by midday every day last time we went]? If f/p is available for them, why not crush?

I have to admit that I'm not an authority on this, but I think I understand why crush is a bad candidate for fastpass. Maybe somebody can add to / correct this if I miss something or I'm just plain wrong...

There's a very interesting article about this on DLRP Mgic (http://www.dlrpmagic.com/today/2008/07/30/fastpass-and-crush-unworkable-or-inevitable/), but I've attempted to explain it below as well (although DLRP Magic cover points that I've missed).

Crush has a low throughput (people per hour) which is partially due to the small cars and partially due to the fact that there is only one platform for both loading and offloading. Big thunder on the other hand, has a fairly high throughput, as do a lot of the other rides with fastpass.

When you add fastpass to an attraction, all it does is move a certain number of lucky people from one line to another (i.e. from the normal queue to the fastpass queue). This also has the effect that the new, slightly shorter traditional queue now takes longer than the old queue of the same length. It doesn't actually alter the number of people trying to ride the ride in any way.

Care must be taken not to give out too many fastpass tickets, otherwise people will be complaining about both the length of the fastpass queue and how long the traditional queue now takes, despite its short length. Essentially, the lower the throughput of the ride, the less the number of fastpass tickets you can give out before people start complaining.

Bearing in mind what I said about the throughput of crush being low, this basically means that you won't get many tickets given out. When people realise this, they all rush to get the tickets, which are then sold out very early on because crush is still very popular.

Once they're sold out, everybody then piles into the traditional queue as normal, which gets very long again, perhaps longer than before because CMs now have to handle people from 2 queues and not one. Even worse is when people use their fastpass to attempt to grab a quick, second ride, which means that the same number of people are going through the traditional queue, plus people with fastpasses are now going for a second ride, which they wouldn't have done before.

The final result of all this is that the main queue is now longer than it was before.

[davewasbaloo]

Sorry dave...I don't quite understand what you mean.

Why should fastpass on crush work any different from Thunder Mountain [the was a 15 minute scrum for f/p tickets on that last week] or say, Soarin' in WDW [f/p ran out by midday every day last time we went]? If f/p is available for them, why not crush?


There is a big difference between BTM and Crush. The capacity of Big Thunder Mountain has two trains and 2 queues. The hourly throughput for BTM is around 1800 passengers per hour compared to Crush's 800 (and loading 4 people at a time). So it means stand by would got to 3-4 hours. Also, there is more to do to soak up people in Frontierland than WDSP - places to sit, shop and dine.

Similarly with Soarin' at DCA and Epcot - they run 2 theatres at a time and the throughput is mammoth. They also are built in parks that can soak up more people.

Crush has exceedingly low capacity. Primeval Whirl in WDW has two coasters side by side to help deal with the issue. At WDSP, having fastpass would lead to a scrum to get tickets, even worse standby times, and an unbearable crowded park instead of people being in lines.

[k-herm]

Thanks for the replies and information dave and stitch...it makes more sense now :thumbsup2 .

[NETGURU]

<<I might also be tempted (controversial I know, so don't hate me here!) to lose the tram tour or at least shorten it>>

Yeah I find the DLRP tram tour just a bit too gimmicky. I mean it's not a real studio like Florida or Hollywood and you can just feel that when you're shown relics from Dinotopia lol. The Reign Of Fire set is cool and so is catastrophe canyon but I didn't like Dinotopia and showing me the whole darn wardrobe won't make me :rotfl:

tom