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Donna
08-07-2008, 08:56 PM
ok, i'll admit life is good...i am sitting here eating a gingerbread man listening to the electrical water pageant music (300 loop) and wishes is about to start......BUT....... i hafta say, and i don't mean to complain or get flamed but what in the HECK is going on with the golf carts at the fort?????

just today ALONE, i have witnessed carts passing other carts in the opposite lane, 90% of the drivers are around 12-14 yrs old, two licensed motorcycles driving around the settlement area, carts without headlights barely visible at night, carts loaded up with 7-8 people and the worst BY FAR of all, a cart with 5 people, one of them a young mother holding a newborn in a car seat riding on the back. i cannot understand why disney isn't enforcing the rules more. i mean, what good are rules if they're not enforced? it is only a matter of time before something really serious happens. also, what is with the carts loaded with kids speeding through the loop well after dark (around 10:00) screaming at the top of their lungs!!! grrrr!!! the problem with the young drivers is they don't know the rules of the road, most of these incidents were with young drivers, notably the one crossing in to the opposite lane and also not using headlights. i know this just can't happening while i'm here, it is probably all the time. anyways, just had to vent cause i just couldn't believe what i was seeing, this has been since we got here, but it was especially bad tonight.

ok, wishes is going off, the music is blaring in the back of the 300 loop, how bad can things be right?

daddyscooltv
08-07-2008, 09:09 PM
I've seen alot of that also this week. Around 8:00 tonight there was something going on a couple of sites down from us there was a firetruck at one of the sites not sure if someone got sick or hurt. They left after about 15 min and no ambulance ever showed up.

We have been by your site a few times but havn't seen anyone outside. We are in site 1443 until Sunday morning. We have the cart with the big red Mickey head on the back of it.

Us3
08-07-2008, 09:21 PM
Ugh...we didn't see as many issues with carts this spring. I sure hope they simply enforce the rules they already have rather than making new ones because of this. I'd hate for a few to ruin it for the rest of us! :sad2:

Donna
08-07-2008, 09:22 PM
I've seen alot of that also this week. Around 8:00 tonight there was something going on a couple of sites down from us there was a firetruck at one of the sites not sure if someone got sick or hurt. They left after about 15 min and no ambulance ever showed up.

We have been by your site a few times but havn't seen anyone outside. We are in site 1443 until Sunday morning. We have the cart with the big red Mickey head on the back of it.

oh my gosh, i think i saw you! Were you heading in to the settlement area about 8:30 or so? then you passed our loop shortly after? We were walking back from crocketts tavern, we had nachos and mudslides, lol. we don't have a cart and after seeing the way its been this week so far, i am kind of glad. anyways, i LOVE your red mickey on your cart! now i am wondering what was going on down your way! we seem to have a wild bunch in our loop this week, kids beeping cart horns, tons of skateboarders too. it reminds me when they used to let 12 yr olds drive the water sprites, til people were getting hurt and they upped it to needing a drivers license. i wish there was a way to enforce this with the carts but you can't exactly follow everyone around; maybe they need more security policing the area, not sure but disney needs to do something before someone gets hurt or killed :scared1:

GOBA Mom Lynn
08-07-2008, 10:54 PM
Just wondering...
Does FW have security vehicles that drive around patrolling? The campground that we go to (Slippery Rock Camground Association) has patrol vehicles and will stop anyone doing anything wrong, and will check for licences. They give special cart licenses to kids 14-16, and will revoke them if they get caught going against the rules. Adults will get "yelled at" for having more that 4 on a cart, which has been a problem for some when 2 mothers with say 3 or 4 young kids between them want to go to the pool. Anyway, it seems like stricter enforcement is needed.

bradisgoofy
08-07-2008, 11:13 PM
.....Anyway, it seems like stricter enforcement is needed.Don't think that's going to happen anytime soon. :sad2:

stacktester
08-08-2008, 06:07 AM
I see carts being driven by young kids at places we go that allow carts. I have no problem with kids driving them as long as an adult is in the cart. You tell me you didn't like driving when you were that age and what a thrill it was. Unfortunately some parents will let a young teen drive off and the chances are they will drive reckless. I talked to someone during 4th of July who Disney did enforce on. The 1st day they were there they let their son drive the cart and Disney escorted him back and told them the rental had been revoked. Evidently he was caught driving it pretty crazy. She also told me it was rented for ten days and they didn't get a refund. She was working with the manager (Jens best friend) :rotfl: about getting her money back.

I personally would've ended the boys vacation and punished him accordingly, but they did let him on it and she admitted it was wrong.

This one place we go to (Ginnie Springs) has what they call a Ginnie Jail. If you're caught riding a golf cart, 4 wheeler after dark they take it away for the duration of your trip. They recently banned 4 wheelers because of idiots but they won't hesitate to throw you out with no refund for being stupid and breaking rules. If Disney operated like that the campground would have more empty spaces lol.

big kahuna1
08-08-2008, 06:50 AM
It's those dang gas carts. They should BAN them!

nessz79
08-08-2008, 07:06 AM
We were there at the beach watching Wishes Sunday night. After the fireworks, it was mayhem. We had 2 small children with us and we were almost run over by carts several times.

Donna
08-08-2008, 07:09 AM
i think the people that bring their own carts don't realize they have to follow disney's rules. i don't think it would be AS dangerous if there weren't real cars also on the road along with the carts. also, licensed motorcycles have no business whatsoever flying down the paths near the settlement, these were not scooters. they were noisy and smelly and going way too fast. on that straight away that is wider, they were just flying, no helmets, of course. i must be getting old, lol.;)

Pirate-Jeff
08-08-2008, 07:27 AM
Thats is why we only go in the off season (when school is in). On our last summer trip the kids on the rental carts were out of hand so bad Disney had the local police there to enforce the speed limits and licenses. There were a lot of unhappy campers that week (Aug 2006). They thought the RULES didn't apply to their kids. Disney confiscated their rental carts with no refund.

Gatordad
08-08-2008, 08:09 AM
i think the people that bring their own carts don't realize they have to follow disney's rules. i don't think it would be AS dangerous if there weren't real cars also on the road along with the carts. also, licensed motorcycles have no business whatsoever flying down the paths near the settlement, these were not scooters. they were noisy and smelly and going way too fast. on that straight away that is wider, they were just flying, no helmets, of course. i must be getting old, lol.;)

The problem is equally as bad with the rental people...... I would say the private cart owners are more responsible than the rentals.....

VAN
08-08-2008, 08:10 AM
Good for Disney!! You don't hear these enforcement stories enough!

Parents know exactly what the rules are and why the rules are in place - unfortunately, we seem to have a society that feels rules are meant to be broken (isn't it exciting to be a law-breaker!!) or are meant for someone else.

AuburnJen92
08-08-2008, 09:30 AM
Just wondering...
Does FW have security vehicles that drive around patrolling? The campground that we go to (Slippery Rock Camground Association) has patrol vehicles and will stop anyone doing anything wrong, and will check for licences. They give special cart licenses to kids 14-16, and will revoke them if they get caught going against the rules. Adults will get "yelled at" for having more that 4 on a cart, which has been a problem for some when 2 mothers with say 3 or 4 young kids between them want to go to the pool. Anyway, it seems like stricter enforcement is needed.

Yes they do. Yes we have been stopped before for our lights that went out. They got us before we got back.

I for one try to be more careful than others because we own our cart. If I wreck it, I have to put the work back into it to fix it. Now granted, old granny can't get out of her own way, but I certainly don't do things that would get me in trouble with the cart either.

Nahbois
08-08-2008, 10:30 AM
It is about enforcing the rules, I feel

Donna
08-08-2008, 10:54 AM
The problem is equally as bad with the rental people...... I would say the private cart owners are more responsible than the rentals.....

you're right; last night after i typed that and thought about it, i saw more rentals doing these things than any of them. i was thinking what i said only contributed to the problem, certainly not the entire problem and i didn't mean to come across that way. the bottom line is, disney has to start getting more strict with enforcement for any and all golf cart users.

Gatordad
08-08-2008, 11:36 AM
agreed, t hey need to enforce the rules across the board.

BigDaddyRog
08-08-2008, 12:07 PM
I definately think the people renting carts are much more careless...what do they care if Disney's cart gets a scratch on it or blows a tire. I worked hard to get a cart I could be somewhat proud of, and certainly dont want it messed up for anything that I could avoid.

This thread has brought a question to my mind, though....what if some moron in a rented cart were to damage my cart....does Disney pay to have mine repaired? Would the driver be held responsible for damage repair? Would I be out of line for grabbing a 12 yr old by the throat to use his head as a buffer to repair a scratch he may have made on my cart? Is it against Disneys policy to tie a bad teenager to the front of my cart and ram into a tree repeatedly?

big kahuna1
08-08-2008, 12:20 PM
Now granted, old granny can't get out of her own way, but I certainly don't do things that would get me in trouble with the cart either.


Your cart is the local tow cart!


what if some moron in a rented cart were to damage my cart....does Disney pay to have mine repaired? Would the driver be held responsible for damage repair?

No, Disney will not pay. Renters sign waivers when they rent. The renters homeowners will pay assuming they have a homeowners policy. Otherwise, your other suggestions may work.

daddyscooltv
08-08-2008, 12:32 PM
I definately think the people renting carts are much more careless...what do they care if Disney's cart gets a scratch on it or blows a tire. I worked hard to get a cart I could be somewhat proud of, and certainly dont want it messed up for anything that I could avoid.

This thread has brought a question to my mind, though....what if some moron in a rented cart were to damage my cart....does Disney pay to have mine repaired? Would the driver be held responsible for damage repair? Would I be out of line for grabbing a 12 yr old by the throat to use his head as a buffer to repair a scratch he may have made on my cart? Is it against Disneys policy to tie a bad teenager to the front of my cart and ram into a tree repeatedly?


I'm with you on this one Rog. I've got way to much of my time and money invested into my cart to be wreckless with it. I have watched many of rentals park next to my cart and wonder to myself if he hits my cart do I have enough inner strength to not kill the guy and then get into my cart and run over him and them back over him again. Do you think that I would be at fault if that happened:confused: And I'm just waiting for one of those rentals to do something stupid and try and run from me in a rental cart because I KNOW there is no rental cart at Disney that I can not catch :thumbsup2

OK I"m done for now.

Gatordad
08-08-2008, 01:20 PM
if you run over him in the forest and he doesn't make a sound, does it hurt?

big kahuna1
08-08-2008, 01:24 PM
if you run over him in the forest and he doesn't make a sound, does it hurt?


No, he's dead.:scared1:

tungpo1
08-08-2008, 02:16 PM
I definately think the people renting carts are much more careless...what do they care if Disney's cart gets a scratch on it or blows a tire. I worked hard to get a cart I could be somewhat proud of, and certainly dont want it messed up for anything that I could avoid.

This thread has brought a question to my mind, though....what if some moron in a rented cart were to damage my cart....does Disney pay to have mine repaired? Would the driver be held responsible for damage repair? Would I be out of line for grabbing a 12 yr old by the throat to use his head as a buffer to repair a scratch he may have made on my cart? Is it against Disneys policy to tie a bad teenager to the front of my cart and ram into a tree repeatedly?

I agree!!!! If they hit my cart the parents would have to take out a loan LOL I would just let the parents know they have to pay up, if not I will remove all the tires from their trailer:woohoo:

AuburnJen92
08-08-2008, 02:26 PM
If someone hits my cart, I am sending kahuna and the calvary to run them down like a pancake! I would never catch them!:lmao:

daddyscooltv
08-08-2008, 06:24 PM
if you run over him in the forest and he doesn't make a sound, does it hurt?

Won't hurt me!!!!!

dtum
08-08-2008, 06:47 PM
when we were at the fort in May I couldn't believe how many carts were just driving around. It was hard to go walking because there were carts every place. On the morning of the triathlon the little walkway between the road and trading post was blocked off and all golf carts had to park on the other side of the main road in front of settlement. Some guy had to be told several times by three different people that he had to park and walk the rest of the way! He was very mad that he couldn't drive all the way to TE. I started to feel like we took our fate into our hands when we went walking because, for some reason, the golf carters (not all, but a lot) seemed to feel they had the right-of-way to go any place they wanted. What ever happened to walking and taking your time going around the fort. Now it's like being at Indy. :confused3

Us3
08-08-2008, 08:11 PM
It's funny you mention that. I'm one of those people who always give the right of way to pedestrians when I'm driving. When we were at the Fort I'd see lots of folks look up with dirty looks like I wanted to run them over when all I was doing was waiving them to pass in front of us. They would smile and act surprised. :rotfl:

We even came up on a cart one night and the guy was waiving us on...when all we wanted to do was say hi! hehehe love ya Rog! :snail: ;)

Brer Bear
08-08-2008, 08:21 PM
When we were there in April, my 15 year old DS was miffed because I wouldn't let him drive. We had borrowed a friends carts that was highly modified and I wasn't about to let him drive. When he saw how we had to be very careful driving so close to folks walking and bicycling, he understood.

Next year may be a different story when he has his license and he KNOWS IT ALL!

des1954
08-08-2008, 08:26 PM
I have always been appalled at the parents who allow their underage kids to drive the golf carts. I guess the parents are okay with it as long as their kids are not bothering them.

A person I used to work with let her 14 year old son drive the GC they rented because she was too drunk to drive it herself. Well, he took a turn too fast and it threw her out of the cart & she broke her arm. When she told everyone the story, she was just laughing away - even though she was the one to get hurt. Her daughter was with them & holding her infant son in her lap. If the baby had been hurt would she still have laughed? My co-worker couldn't understand why I didn't find her tale humorous.

I don't blame Disney for charging $50+ a day to rent a cart. I've seen people really abuse them - including purposely driving one into the little pond by the Meadow pool!:sad2:

Donna
08-08-2008, 08:51 PM
It's funny you mention that. I'm one of those people who always give the right of way to pedestrians when I'm driving. When we were at the Fort I'd see lots of folks look up with dirty looks like I wanted to run them over when all I was doing was waiving them to pass in front of us. They would smile and act surprised. :rotfl:

We even came up on a cart one night and the guy was waiving us on...when all we wanted to do was say hi! hehehe love ya Rog! :snail: ;)

it's not just golf carts, i hate when the bikes creep up on you when you're walking and don't tell you they're behind you. i don't mind moving over, especially if we're walking side by side, but let me know you're there! some kids are so polite and say excuse me which is really nice.

the other day, right where the road meets the path back to the settlement, there was a car stopped there, a scooter with a lady on it, a golf cart and two ladies walking and me and husband on bikes. now meanwhile, i haven't been on a bike in over a year and my brakes are a little stiff. we come up on this traffic jam right as the road meets the path. i applied my brakes but they weren't working so i squeezed them harder and came to an abrupt stop. as this happened, i said, woooo...too many people in one place and this walking lady says to me "well, it's not like you didn't see us ahead of time"! i thought, well, aren't you the nice one! it's not that i didn't see them, i DID see them but just as i got up to them, they STOPPED walking which forced me to apply those brakes that didn't work at first. grrrrrr......:mad:

LONE-STAR
08-09-2008, 12:18 AM
When we are there we have never had a issue with people and there carts.
I say make sure you do whats right and don't worry about the rest. If what they are doing is that bad they will get caught sooner or later.

It's those dang gas carts. They should BAN them!

Leave the gas carts alone. Don't get mad because you have to plug in all the time. :lmao: Gas carts Rule!!!

The problem is equally as bad with the rental people...... I would say the private cart owners are more responsible than the rentals.....

You said it man:thumbsup2

Us3
08-09-2008, 08:14 AM
the other day, right where the road meets the path back to the settlement, there was a car stopped there, a scooter with a lady on it, a golf cart and two ladies walking and me and husband on bikes. now meanwhile, i haven't been on a bike in over a year and my brakes are a little stiff. we come up on this traffic jam right as the road meets the path. i applied my brakes but they weren't working so i squeezed them harder and came to an abrupt stop. as this happened, i said, woooo...too many people in one place and this walking lady says to me "well, it's not like you didn't see us ahead of time"! i thought, well, aren't you the nice one! it's not that i didn't see them, i DID see them but just as i got up to them, they STOPPED walking which forced me to apply those brakes that didn't work at first. grrrrrr......:mad:

Ugh, how rude!

You know, it basically comes down to common courtesy. I wish more people had it and more folks taught their kids this. Call me ol' fashion...but there is nothing better when you meet a friendly respectful kid.

bama_ed
08-09-2008, 08:36 AM
As Ron White says, "You can't fix 'stupid' ". :sad2:

The Fort makes a profit off the rentals I'm sure but I prefer to walk or bike. Or, as a dreaded last resort, take the bus :scared1:

Let's keep this high level before the Mods get another nickel for shutting down a golf cart thread :laughing:

Bama ED

PS - as in, "if I had a nickel for every golf cart thread I've locked up...."

BigDaddyRog
08-09-2008, 10:12 AM
.... i squeezed them harder and came to an abrupt stop. as this happened, i said, woooo...too many people in one place and this walking lady says to me "well, it's not like you didn't see us ahead of time"!......


I hate when people say "woooo"!!!! No, Im completely kidding....I dont understand how people can be rude when camping at the fort. I am in such a good mood, Im nicer to everyone, I pull over and let cars and busses..and faster carts pass me, I wave and say good morning to strangers, I never kick any animals, and never steal ice cream from children in strollers.

At home, I flip off little old ladies for turning on their blinker too early, I wish death upon crying children at the store...Im a mean old man at home, always on the edge of starting some kind of unnecessary drama with the "small and weak" or "maybe tougher but slower than me"....but at the fort...its allllll good. I kinda enter this "woodstock mentality". Why go on vacation If youre gonna be miserable anyway.....................thats it, Im gonna go paint a peace sign on my cart right now!!!

bigdisneydaddy
08-09-2008, 12:28 PM
Ugh, how rude!

You know, it basically comes down to common courtesy. I wish more people had it and more folks taught their kids this. Call me ol' fashion...but there is nothing better when you meet a friendly respectful kid.


Kinda refreshing isnt it.

AuburnJen92
08-09-2008, 12:49 PM
Ugh, how rude!

You know, it basically comes down to common courtesy. I wish more people had it and more folks taught their kids this. Call me ol' fashion...but there is nothing better when you meet a friendly respectful kid.

You don't know how true that it is in high school!:headache:

Born 2 Fish
08-09-2008, 03:07 PM
I dont understand how people can be rude when camping at the fort. I am in such a good mood, Im nicer to everyone, I pull over and let cars and busses..and faster carts pass me, I wave and say good morning to strangers,
at the fort...its allllll good. I kinda enter this "woodstock mentality". Why go on vacation If youre gonna be miserable anyway.....................thats it, Im gonna go paint a peace sign on my cart right now!!!


"Everthing is everything", quote from Dr.John :hippie:

"Happy thoughts, Happy thoughts", quotes from me, and what I'll be feel'n in bout 40 more dayz ! :thumbsup2

wrongagain
08-09-2008, 07:26 PM
Eventually someone will get very hurt.
Then the lawyers will step in and everyone is going down.
They are going to sue disney, the parents of the kid driving the cart, the guy who rented the cart to the parents, the company who maintains the carts, the company that made the cart, the guy who invented carts, etc.
And the only people who are going to lose everything are the parents of the kid.
Parents are responsible for the willful misconduct of children.
It doesnt matter that is was just this one time I let him or her because of the constant whinning about driving the cart.
It doesnt matter that you thought it was cute to watch a 4 year old drive grandpa around.
The rules say no kids drive, and that means no kids drive.
And as a parent you are going to burn for 10 minutes of fun.
I for one am not willing to lose my house to a lawsuit.
And if you think it cant happen, just think back a few years ago when a women won a $4 million dollar lawsuit against mcdonalds because her hot coffee was too hot.
And when the lawsuits end disney will no longer allow carts.

:rolleyes: Not that I have any opinions about this issue.:rolleyes:

ffpm63
08-09-2008, 08:48 PM
We just got back and my 10 yo son who allways drives at home and does quit well. Did not understand why he could not drive at Disney. The problem was solved on our first night when we seen a 12-14 Yo girl driving a rented cart with 4 other kids on it very recklasly through the settlement parking area. We told our son that is why Disney rules say he cannot drive because of other kids that are not as responsible as he his. We also seen one cart with a kid driving get stopped and at that time he was driving normal.

bigdisneydaddy
08-10-2008, 07:33 AM
Unfortunately issues like this usually take some type of tragedy before they will be addressed.
Look at the lack of common courtesy on the roads, where do you think these kids learn to behave like that ? Of course if anyone in authority confronts them the parents will say "my little Timmy would NEVER do that" as if the authority has nothing else to do than to drive around and wrongly accuse innocent kids so as to ruin their lives.
(sarcasm intentional)

bord1niowa
08-10-2008, 08:16 AM
It all goes back to not teaching responsibilty. It seems to be a lost trait with many of this generation. The few will ruin it for the many. After being on these boards for a long time, Disers are the exception to this.

loveDmouse
08-10-2008, 08:36 AM
We really haven't seen much trouble with the golf carts but I think that is because we go around the first couple of weeks in December and there aren't so many kids there.
Parents should use common sense. I agree with the last poster that parents need to teach responsibility and I'll add respect for others and their property. Kids (alot not all) have no respect for others property. They think they can just do whatever they want. They aren't made to work for things they just have things handed to them so it has no value to them. Not the way I was taught that is for sure.
I know I will not be a happy camper if some idiot hits our golf cart. Running them over in the cart sounds like a good idea. :idea: Maybe we can string them up and drag them around too.


We work hard for our toys and I sure don't want some jack### tearing them up.

Eventually these idiots will ruin it for us all when we aren't allowed to take our carts to the Fort and they don't rent any out. :mad:

Gatordad
08-10-2008, 09:45 AM
Eventually someone will get very hurt.
Then the lawyers will step in and everyone is going down.
They are going to sue disney, the parents of the kid driving the cart, the guy who rented the cart to the parents, the company who maintains the carts, the company that made the cart, the guy who invented carts, etc.
And the only people who are going to lose everything are the parents of the kid.
Parents are responsible for the willful misconduct of children.
It doesnt matter that is was just this one time I let him or her because of the constant whinning about driving the cart.
It doesnt matter that you thought it was cute to watch a 4 year old drive grandpa around.
The rules say no kids drive, and that means no kids drive.
And as a parent you are going to burn for 10 minutes of fun.
I for one am not willing to lose my house to a lawsuit.
And if you think it cant happen, just think back a few years ago when a women won a $4 million dollar lawsuit against mcdonalds because her hot coffee was too hot.
And when the lawsuits end disney will no longer allow carts.

:rolleyes: Not that I have any opinions about this issue.:rolleyes:


There was no winner of $4mm vs McDonalds.

wrongagain
08-10-2008, 09:54 AM
Liebeck v. McDonald's Restaurants,[1] also known as the “McDonald's coffee case,” is a well-known 1994 product liability lawsuit that became a flashpoint in the debate in the U.S. over tort reform after a jury awarded $2.86 million to a woman who burned herself with hot coffee. The trial judge reduced the total award to $640,000, and the parties settled for a confidential amount before an appeal was decided. The case entered popular understanding as an example of frivolous litigation;[2] ABC News calls the case “the poster child of excessive lawsuits

Gatordad
08-10-2008, 10:59 AM
Liebeck v. McDonald's Restaurants,[1] also known as the “McDonald's coffee case,” is a well-known 1994 product liability lawsuit that became a flashpoint in the debate in the U.S. over tort reform after a jury awarded $2.86 million to a woman who burned herself with hot coffee. The trial judge reduced the total award to $640,000, and the parties settled for a confidential amount before an appeal was decided. The case entered popular understanding as an example of frivolous litigation;[2] ABC News calls the case “the poster child of excessive lawsuits


Well, it wasn't $4mm, and it was excessive because McDonalds let it get that way. It wasn't her doing.

loveDmouse
08-10-2008, 01:25 PM
Well, it wasn't $4mm, and it was excessive because McDonalds let it get that way. It wasn't her doing.

Of course it was her doing. She is the one who filed the suit. What kinda moron sues because their coffee is too hot and they got burned? What kinda moron puts a cup of hot coffee between their legs before they drive off? You shouldn't be able to sue for your own stupidity.

DisneyBishops
08-10-2008, 01:57 PM
I have never seen trouble with the golf carts. I do know some of the kids do get a little crazy. But remember when we were kids we wanted to drive whenever we could. And yes we would get a little crazy also. But back in the day my dad would kick my butt if I got too crazy. My son drives now and I will kick his butt if he acts to crazy. Or if he is not courtesy. Now as we all know when some of us adults get a little tipsy, lets be honest we get a little crazy too. Heck the ft is about the only place you can drink and drive without going to jail. So lets give the kids a little break as long as they don't get drunk and as crazy as we do. LOL But they should be at least 16 with a dl. Even on a golf course you have to have a dl to drive a cart.

Lets just all relax and have fun at the fort.

Gatordad
08-10-2008, 02:12 PM
Of course it was her doing. She is the one who filed the suit. What kinda moron sues because their coffee is too hot and they got burned? What kinda moron puts a cup of hot coffee between their legs before they drive off? You shouldn't be able to sue for your own stupidity.

You need to read the case. McDonalds is the one at fault here.

Gatordad
08-10-2008, 02:14 PM
Liebeck v. McDonald's Restaurants,[1] also known as the “McDonald's coffee case,” is a well-known 1994 product liability lawsuit that became a flashpoint in the debate in the U.S. over tort reform after a jury awarded $2.86 million to a woman who burned herself with hot coffee. The trial judge reduced the total award to $640,000, and the parties settled for a confidential amount before an appeal was decided. The case entered popular understanding as an example of frivolous litigation;[2] ABC News calls the case “the poster child of excessive lawsuits

Wikipedia, while a start, is not to be used for any sort of factual information.

DANODANO
08-10-2008, 03:10 PM
Gatordad,you should be ok as long as Derek nor I ever drive your cart again.
We are not smart enoung to know it has moer than just 1 speed!

wrongagain
08-10-2008, 03:16 PM
Regardless of what kind of spin control you are trying to put on irresponsible parents and their spawn, if some kid goes tooling into the side of my bus in a golf cart there are going to be lawsuits of biblical proportion, I kid you not.
And all the self righteous chatter in the world wont change the fact that someones family is going to be in a state of financial ruin, all for the thrill of plowing a golf cart into someone, or something.
Afterwords you will be able to use wikipedia to research the case study, even if wikipedia isn't up to par for some.:rolleyes1

Gatordad
08-10-2008, 03:33 PM
It's not a matter of Wikipedia being up to par. It's that it is not a reliable news source. You wouldn't ask a 12 year old kid for facts on anything, and with user content editing, that's what you might be getting with wikipedia.

As for a biblical lawsuit,:rotfl2: , you would be entitled to damages caused by the cart, and I assure you, a FW cart wouldn't cause anything significant to a motorhome.

Gatordad
08-10-2008, 03:40 PM
Gatordad,you should be ok as long as Derek nor I ever drive your cart again.
We are not smart enoung to know it has moer than just 1 speed!

I usually keep it on max speed, but I think it drains the batteries when going fast all the time.

wrongagain
08-10-2008, 03:41 PM
I wish I knew everything.
It must be nice,...

Gatordad
08-10-2008, 03:42 PM
Me too, that's why I reseach things I don't know.

wrongagain
08-10-2008, 03:52 PM
Well then, the next time you are looking up stuff take a gander at what it takes to make the stainless on a bus shine.
That is not counting damage repair.
The total man hours to make the stainless on a prevost shine is about 110 hrs.
That info is from several places including marathon coach, now take the $100 an hour labor rates that bus places get and do the math.
And thats just to polish out the bus so it looks the same all around after the alleged golf cart incident.

des1954
08-10-2008, 03:53 PM
Anyone can sue anybody for anything. Just because you file a lawsuit is no guarantee that you'll get anything out of it.

If something happens to a guest that is clearly the fault of the guest - Disney doesn't lose a thing. In the past 2 years there have been (IIRC) 4 deaths in the theme parks. Very quickly it was proven that all 4 guests had an undiagnosed medical condition that was excellerated by riding particular attractions. Disney didn't contribute $.01 to the funerals. They didn't have to.

The same would most likely apply if someone was injured on or by a rental golf cart. It would be up to the injured party to prove Disney was negligent on some level. More than likely if the injuries or damage was caused by an inelligible driver or by reckless driving - the burden of proof would be on the renter of the cart that the cart failed somehow (brakes, motor, etc). Successful litigation against Disney would only happen if Disney rented someone a cart that they knew had a maintenance problem.

The rental rules regarding the carts are very clear and written in such a way that leaves no loop-holes allowing Disney to be sued. If you bring your own cart you are bound to the same rules as those who rent a cart from Disney.

Gatordad
08-10-2008, 03:59 PM
Well then, the next time you are looking up stuff take a gander at what it takes to make the stainless on a bus shine.
That is not counting damage repair.
The total man hours to make the stainless on a prevost shine is about 110 hrs.
That info is from several places including marathon coach, now take the $100 an hour labor rates that bus places get and do the math.
And thats just to polish out the bus so it looks the same all around after the alleged golf cart incident.


And if someone hit the coach, you'd receive compensation to cover the damages.
I still don't see a biblical proportions lawsuit.

Gatordad
08-10-2008, 04:02 PM
Anyone can sue anybody for anything. Just because you file a lawsuit is no guarantee that you'll get anything out of it.

If something happens to a guest that is clearly the fault of the guest - Disney doesn't lose a thing. In the past 2 years there have been (IIRC) 4 deaths in the theme parks. Very quickly it was proven that all 4 guests had an undiagnosed medical condition that was excellerated by riding particular attractions. Disney didn't contribute $.01 to the funerals. They didn't have to.

The same would most likely apply if someone was injured on or by a rental golf cart. It would be up to the injured party to prove Disney was negligent on some level. More than likely if the injuries or damage was caused by an inelligible driver or by reckless driving - the burden of proof would be on the renter of the cart that the cart failed somehow (brakes, motor, etc). Successful litigation against Disney would only happen if Disney rented someone a cart that they knew had a maintenance problem.

The rental rules regarding the carts are very clear and written in such a way that leaves no loop-holes allowing Disney to be sued. If you bring your own cart you are bound to the same rules as those who rent a cart from Disney.


There is a slight difference, in the fact that if you could prove that Disney was negligent in enforcing rules at the fort, then they'd bear some liability. And in a lawsuit, you go after the deepest pockets.

On the theme park deaths, no one from Disney was negligent in their duties. That's why I'm curious why they don't enforce the cart rules more.

des1954
08-10-2008, 04:06 PM
Well then, the next time you are looking up stuff take a gander at what it takes to make the stainless on a bus shine.
That is not counting damage repair.
The total man hours to make the stainless on a prevost shine is about 110 hrs.
That info is from several places including marathon coach, now take the $100 an hour labor rates that bus places get and do the math.
And thats just to polish out the bus so it looks the same all around after the alleged golf cart incident.

My 45' Travel Supreme Select took me just as long to wax - but it gave me something to do when I took early retirement.

If you're retired, you have a great hobby to keep you busy, give you some exercise, and save some $$$ to spend at FtW.:thumbsup2

Stainless steel bus vs. fiberglass golf cart. Hmmmmm.... I somehow think the stainless wins every time. I think I'd be more concerned about the kid on the cart being hurt (even if it was his/her fault) than my bus having a smudge of paint on it.

wrongagain
08-10-2008, 04:11 PM
First of all I dont want disneys money.
I would go out of my way to make sure disney "or anyone else" was not part of anyone elses problem.
Second, I guess alot of money to some is nothing to someone else.
I carry millions of dollars of insurance and umbrella polices on top of that, but not everyone does.
So I guess if you have the money, insurance, than let your kids drive the carts.
I could learn to live with a new $30-$50,000.00 paint job.
Otherwise it could be a very costly game.

des1954
08-10-2008, 04:13 PM
There is a slight difference, in the fact that if you could prove that Disney was negligent in enforcing rules at the fort, then they'd bear some liability. And in a lawsuit, you go after the deepest pockets.

On the theme park deaths, no one from Disney was negligent in their duties. That's why I'm curious why they don't enforce the cart rules more.

Ahhh.... therein lies the difference. You sign a waiver when you rent a cart that you acknowledge and will obey the rules. The fact that they can't be everywhere 24 hours a day being "big brother" bears out the liability issue. Disney's liability ends when you sign that form.

They do enforce the rules as much as they deem legally necessary. You've seen it and I've seen it. All Disney would have to do is produce CM's stating that they do enforce the rules. End of liability. I'm sure Perry Mason would even agree with that one!;)

I love these discussions, Pete!:goodvibes <smiley just to aggravate you - and I can't get points for that!>

wrongagain
08-10-2008, 04:15 PM
I would tend to agree.
No one wants someone to get hurt.
No one wants to sue or be sued.
But,...
I am bored and gatordad and I are in the middle of a game of who has the most time to waste.

Gatordad
08-10-2008, 04:16 PM
Waivers usually don't release the author of liability in such matters.

des1954
08-10-2008, 04:22 PM
First of all I dont want disneys money.
I would go out of my way to make sure disney "or anyone else" was not part of anyone elses problem.
Second, I guess alot of money to some is nothing to someone else.
I carry millions of dollars of insurance and umbrella polices on top of that, but not everyone does.
So I guess if you have the money, insurance, than let your kids drive the carts.
I could learn to live with a new $30-$50,000.00 paint job.
Otherwise it could be a very costly game.

Uh.... $30-50K for a custom paint job on a 45' MH?? I need to know where you shop!

Bottom line - FtW has been around since 1971. They've rented golf carts a long, long time. If no one has successfully sued them in all these years over the golf carts (and I'm sure people have tried - but we just don't hear about it) I doubt anything will change. Disney probably has a legal defense team that would make Johnny Cochran look like a novice lawyer. I doubt they have left themselves sitting ducks for frivolous lawsuits. If they had, WDW would be closed by now & we'd be even more inundated with cable stations and "frivolous" TV shows & movies.

Gatordad
08-10-2008, 04:25 PM
The reason they don't lose many, is because they have deeper pockets. The same reason McDonalds screwed themselves in the coffee case.

des1954
08-10-2008, 04:28 PM
McDonalds screwed themselves in the coffee case.

I've never been able to understand exactly how one does that?:rotfl2: :rotfl2:

wrongagain
08-10-2008, 04:33 PM
Your right the paint estimate was most likely low.
This is the guy that did the custom repaint that is currently on the bus.

http://www.stahrdesign.com/

bigdisneydaddy
08-10-2008, 07:08 PM
Post count being the main barometer, I think Gatordad has way more time on his hands than wrongagain.

loveDmouse
08-10-2008, 07:18 PM
You need to read the case. McDonalds is the one at fault here.

Someday if I have time on my hands and am reeeaaaalllllyyyyy board I will check it out. Until then I will take your word for it. :goodvibes :goodvibes

ftwildernessguy
08-10-2008, 07:23 PM
I just want Disney to comp my next trip, so I'm gonna jump in front of the first golf cart I see driven by a tween. Maybe I'll have a cup of McDonald's coffee in my hand just to seal the deal.

Gatordad
08-10-2008, 07:38 PM
If you were the woman and you were offered 20k for the coffee incident, would you take it?

ftwildernessguy
08-10-2008, 07:39 PM
If you were the woman and you were offered 20k for the coffee incident, would you take it?

heck yeah.

AuburnJen92
08-10-2008, 08:08 PM
.
Afterwords you will be able to use wikipedia to research the case study, even if wikipedia isn't up to par for some.:rolleyes1

I am a media specialist at a high school. You would be surprised how many times I say in a day "No, you cannot use Wikipedia as a source on your paper because it can be edited." And I always get, "Really?":confused3

BigDaddyRog
08-10-2008, 08:09 PM
Id douse my crotch with lighter fluid and let Gatordad shoot bottlerockets at me for $20k..but Im broke like that!!

Ok...Ib probably do it for free on a drunken dare.

Rhonda
08-10-2008, 08:10 PM
I am a media specialist at a high school. You would be surprised how many times I say in a day "No, you cannot use Wikipedia as a source on your paper because it can be edited." And I always get, "Really?":confused3

Really??

ftwildernessguy
08-10-2008, 08:10 PM
I am a media specialist at a high school. You would be surprised how many times I say in a day "No, you cannot use Wikipedia as a source on your paper because it can be edited." And I always get, "Really?":confused3

It is amazing how people think of wikipedia as an online encyclopedia. We recently had a scandal with a local politician seeking election who edited her wikipedia entry so it read like a TV campaign ad.

AuburnJen92
08-10-2008, 08:13 PM
Id douse my crotch with lighter fluid and let Gatordad shoot bottlerockets at me for $20k..but Im broke like that!!

Ok...Ib probably do it for free on a drunken dare.

Yep, I think you would Rog!

AuburnJen92
08-10-2008, 08:14 PM
Really??

Ok, I get to do this a week early...

Yes, really, people really do edit and put things that are not true on the internet, just to mess with your brain...:rolleyes1

ftwildernessguy
08-10-2008, 08:16 PM
Ok, I get to do this a week early...

Yes, really, people really do edit and put things that are not true on the internet, just to mess with your brain...:rolleyes1

Horrors! I've been discovered! Now the whole experiment has gone to crap.

loveDmouse
08-10-2008, 08:17 PM
If you were the woman and you were offered 20k for the coffee incident, would you take it?

You better believe I would!

AuburnJen92
08-10-2008, 08:19 PM
Horrors! I've been discovered! Now the whole experiment has gone to crap.

It is not just you, DH does it just to mess with people. I have actually seen a paper with a quote that he put on there from Wikipedia...it was the laugh of the staff a couple of years ago. A planned experiment none the less, but still funny.

Gatordad
08-10-2008, 08:27 PM
You better believe I would!

That's all she asked of McDonalds. They thumbed their noses at her, as they had been sued over 700 times for similar incidents. Their arrogance cost them every penny over $20k. Their spin makes people think the old woman was out for millions, when all she wanted was for them to cover her medical expenses.

AuburnJen92
08-10-2008, 08:36 PM
It always makes you shake your head and make it rattle when the truth comes out. We have a local case here where someone in the parking lot of Walmart helped the security people catch a thief that had quite a bit of electronic equipment on his person (like ipod type stuff) and was running to his car. If this guy had not stepped in and helped to tackle him, the guy would have certainly gotten away. In the scuffle, his arm got bent the wrong way, broke and required pins to be put back together. All the guy wants is for Walmart to help with his deductibles, but Walmart won't budge. He says he will help again though.

ftwildernessguy
08-10-2008, 08:43 PM
A couple years ago a drunk smashed his truck into my neighbor's parked truck in the middle of the night. I ran out to make sure he was still alive, which he was and was pretty hostile. My reward - the neighbor gave the police my name and I kept getting summons to appear in court, which I would cancel my day for only to be notified the night before that the attornies had rescheduled the hearing, and sorry but I would have to rearrange my schedule for another time. I did it 3 times and finally told them to go to hell and ignored the summons. Next time I roll over and go back to sleep.

wrongagain
08-10-2008, 08:52 PM
The point I was trying to make was that it does not matter in the slightest whether you are right, wrong, or indifferent you can be sued into the ground for absolutely nothing.
Baseless lawsuits are what this country's lawyers thrive on, you see the ads on TV all day, every day.
Have you been injured on the job, think you been injured, have an idea that someday you could be injured, well call us and we will work for you till you get paid.
It will cost you tens of thousands of dollars to defend yourself even if you are 100% in the right.
So even if you don't lose your lawsuit for running me down, its going to cost big money to prove little Timmy was in fact in control of the golf cart and it was my fault for not jumping out of the way.
And on the flip side no doubt your lawyer will most likely counter sue me for getting blood on your tires, and win.
Seems like a lot of drama, just because parents have no ability to tell their kids no.

big kahuna1
08-11-2008, 07:24 AM
For those on here who think Mcdonalds was in the wrong will not get their behinds served up on a platter this morning as I am just not in the mood. Consider yourselves lucky!:scared1:

big kahuna1
08-11-2008, 07:30 AM
Originally Posted by AuburnJen92
I am a media specialist at a high school. You would be surprised how many times I say in a day "No, you cannot use Wikipedia as a source on your paper because it can be edited." And I always get, "Really?"

Very true! Just take a look at the "Global Warming" issue on Wikipedia and you will not find any facts disputing this issue as the "censors" who read the edits being made by people will not let anyone place any.

Gatordad
08-11-2008, 08:30 AM
:snail: For those on here who think Mcdonalds was in the wrong will not get their behinds served up on a platter this morning as I am just not in the mood. Consider yourselves lucky!:scared1:

big kahuna1
08-11-2008, 10:44 AM
I eat snails/escargo for breakfast!:scared1:

Gatordad
08-11-2008, 10:46 AM
it shows.

tellnotails
08-11-2008, 11:16 AM
ok, i'll admit life is good...i am sitting here eating a gingerbread man listening to the electrical water pageant music (300 loop) and wishes is about to start......BUT....... i hafta say, and i don't mean to complain or get flamed but what in the HECK is going on with the golf carts at the fort?????

just today ALONE, i have witnessed carts passing other carts in the opposite lane, 90% of the drivers are around 12-14 yrs old, two licensed motorcycles driving around the settlement area, carts without headlights barely visible at night, carts loaded up with 7-8 people and the worst BY FAR of all, a cart with 5 people, one of them a young mother holding a newborn in a car seat riding on the back. i cannot understand why disney isn't enforcing the rules more. i mean, what good are rules if they're not enforced? it is only a matter of time before something really serious happens. also, what is with the carts loaded with kids speeding through the loop well after dark (around 10:00) screaming at the top of their lungs!!! grrrr!!! the problem with the young drivers is they don't know the rules of the road, most of these incidents were with young drivers, notably the one crossing in to the opposite lane and also not using headlights. i know this just can't happening while i'm here, it is probably all the time. anyways, just had to vent cause i just couldn't believe what i was seeing, this has been since we got here, but it was especially bad tonight.

ok, wishes is going off, the music is blaring in the back of the 300 loop, how bad can things be right?

The irony is last feb. while I was walking the 300 loop carts came whizzing by so I quickly stepped off the loop pavement only to step in a poo pile......

I believe the private cart days at the fort are numbered........why does the 300 loop campers refuse to clean up?????

Rhonda
08-11-2008, 11:45 AM
.why does the 300 loop campers refuse to clean up?????

That's a whole 'nother thread!!

bigdisneydaddy
08-11-2008, 12:32 PM
That's a whole 'nother thread!!

Maybe we could have the people that abuse the carts pick up the poo in the 300 loop as punishment ?

PolynesianPixie
08-11-2008, 12:35 PM
Marek said this thread could use a little pixie dust pixiedust: Since I'm PolyPixie....I thought I'd see what I could do...and try to keep the lovey-dovey, kumbaya-ness to a minimum so nobody looses their lunch.:laughing:

As I see it....a little bickering is healthy, nevertheless.....

It seems to me that what this whole thread boils down to is simple courtesy (and maybe a warning against the validity of wikopedia). Many people these days feel that they are above rules. They feel entitled, blameless. Kids drive golf carts recklessly and then parents get ticked when they are shown the rules and have to pay the consequences. Rules are made for a reason and if we all just respect them, we wouldn't have these issues. This is the same mentality that causes people to be sue happy! My sis-in-law is a realtor and she was sued recently for saying a house had forced heat (like the owners told her) instead of something else~craziness!

Yeah, FW should maybe do a better job enforcing....but they shouldn't have to.


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Treat others with respect; follow the Golden Rule • Be tolerant of differences • Use good manners, not bad language • Be considerate of the feelings of others • Don’t threaten, hit or hurt anyone • Deal peacefully with anger, insults and disagreements

Responsibility
Do what you are supposed to do • Persevere: keep on trying! • Always do your best • Use self-control • Be self-disciplined • Think before you act — consider the consequences • Be accountable for your choices

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Play by the rules • Take turns and share • Be open-minded; listen to others • Don’t take advantage of others • Don’t blame others carelessly

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Be kind • Be compassionate and show you care • Express gratitude • Forgive others • Help people in need

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Do your share to make your school and community better • Cooperate • Get involved in community affairs • Stay informed; vote • Be a good neighbor • Obey laws and rules • Respect authority • Protect the environment


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Gatordad
08-11-2008, 12:45 PM
John, please give me the puking smiley option, I'm going to need it.

PolynesianPixie
08-11-2008, 12:53 PM
:lmao:

bigdisneydaddy
08-11-2008, 01:02 PM
Unfortunately the very people that need to read those rules are never going to.

des1954
08-11-2008, 01:39 PM
I believe the private cart days at the fort are numbered

That rumor has been circulating for years. I'll believe it when I see it.

big kahuna1
08-11-2008, 01:41 PM
it shows.

That's not from the snails...but the sauce.



John, please give me the puking smiley option, I'm going to need it.

Here ya go!


http://fatdaddy.smugmug.com/photos/72784984_rSdQS-L.jpg

Donna
08-11-2008, 04:07 PM
Maybe we could have the people that abuse the carts pick up the poo in the 300 loop as punishment ?

well, i'm tellin ya, that would be welcome here cause the way it is now, all these little kids are walkin their dogs and LEAVING the poo right where it falls! my husband had to ask one child if he needed a bag for his dogs droppings, lol. the kid was like HUH? also, the dog park is FILLED with dog dirt just left there; the grass is sometimes high and its hard to see, so dog walkers, beware, the dog park is a dog doo-doo park, lol.;)


not complainin though, i'm happy as all heck to be here STILL! Tiggerinbama dropped by last night and we chatted for awhile, always great to see her!

auntie
08-11-2008, 04:07 PM
Eventually someone will get very hurt.
Then the lawyers will step in and everyone is going down.

And if you think it cant happen, just think back a few years ago when a women won a $4 million dollar lawsuit against mcdonalds because her hot coffee was too hot.
And when the lawsuits end disney will no longer allow carts.

:rolleyes: Not that I have any opinions about this issue.:rolleyes:



Ummm...regarding the McDonalds coffee.This was in the 90's. Did you know that they kept their coffee at an extremely high temperature, so as not to have to brew fresh coffee when a pot sat for a while. (I'm a coffe drinker..and that still sounds gross to me.) I do remember when a cup of McDonalds coffe was so hot you could not drink it or hold it in your hand. My kids were younger at the time, and I was always paranoid about one of them accidently bumping into me while drinking it. For this reason, I also had the common sense not to put it anywhere near my crotch. Which is where the woman who sued McDonalds spilled her coffee after purchasing it from the drive through window.:eek: (OUCH..guess she didn't have a cup holder..who knows:confused3 ) I have spilled coffee accidentally on my older son when he was 5..the mug handle broke off as I was walking to the table(maybe I should have sued the maker of the mug..but never thought about it:confused: ) The coffee did hit the table and splattered onto my son who was just wearing a tee shirt. He had second and thrid degree burns. I know McDonald's coffee was way hotter than what we brewed at home, so I can imagine the damage it could have done if allowed to be kept at that temperature to save a few bucks.
I'm just saying people always use this as an example of a frivolous law suit because of the way it sounds on the surface..but there was more to it.
Of course I'm sure there was plenty of money made by all those involved. Only you don't have to worry about burning your skin off when you order a cup of coffee at McDonalds anymore either.


Can you tell..I have a brother who's an attorney?...:laughing:

auntie
08-11-2008, 04:13 PM
well, i'm tellin ya, that would be welcome here cause the way it is now, all these little kids are walkin their dogs and LEAVING the poo right where it falls! my husband had to ask one child if he needed a bag for his dogs droppings, lol. the kid was like HUH? also, the dog park is FILLED with dog dirt just left there; the grass is sometimes high and its hard to see, so dog walkers, beware, the dog park is a dog doo-doo park, lol.;)


not complainin though, i'm happy as all heck to be here STILL! Tiggerinbama dropped by last night and we chatted for awhile, always great to see her!

300 was one of our favorite loops and we were gonna request it for our Sept. trip..but given that the dog park is there, I thought that might be an issue. (the poop left there and the aroma drifting):sad1:
We've had the same problem in the campground we've been seasonal in. Last year a big lab went right in front of our site. I offered the girl walking him with her friends a bag, because of course she didn't have one. This kid was gagging trying to pick it up. Obviously, she hadn't cleaned up after her dog before. Her friend actually had to do it for her. I'm sure if I wasn't there, she just would have left it. I mean, if it makes you gag...(which..I have a dog..and he can leave some gagger deposits himself:scared: )...but I wouldn't leave it for somebody else to clean.

Donna
08-11-2008, 04:37 PM
300 was one of our favorite loops and we were gonna request it for our Sept. trip..but given that the dog park is there, I thought that might be an issue. (the poop left there and the aroma drifting):sad1:
We've had the same problem in the campground we've been seasonal in. Last year a big lab went right in front of our site. I offered the girl walking him with her friends a bag, because of course she didn't have one. This kid was gagging trying to pick it up. Obviously, she hadn't cleaned up after her dog before. Her friend actually had to do it for her. I'm sure if I wasn't there, she just would have left it. I mean, if it makes you gag...(which..I have a dog..and he can leave some gagger deposits himself:scared: )...but I wouldn't leave it for somebody else to clean.


well, we are on the dog-park side of the loop and i can honestly tell you, there is no smell whatsoever. if you stand there at the park, you can't see poop just looking out, it is there buried in the higher grass. i wonder if some people even know the park is there, only see it being used every once in awhile. if my molly could talk, she would say how much she loves being able to go off leash there. she's met some real cuties in the past week, all pretty well behaved dogs too. its the OWNERS and their kids that need the training!;)

auntie
08-11-2008, 08:08 PM
well, we are on the dog-park side of the loop and i can honestly tell you, there is no smell whatsoever. if you stand there at the park, you can't see poop just looking out, it is there buried in the higher grass. i wonder if some people even know the park is there, only see it being used every once in awhile. if my molly could talk, she would say how much she loves being able to go off leash there. she's met some real cuties in the past week, all pretty well behaved dogs too. its the OWNERS and their kids that need the training!;)


I'm glad to hear this. "Molly"..cute name. ;) My mom's dog is named Molly also.

OK GRUMPY
08-11-2008, 08:57 PM
I've been in the 300 loop and the doggy doo smell was bad! My Maggie loves the Doggy park. It was the only time she was able to be loose and run. She's a Golden Reteiver too.

g8trmom1
08-11-2008, 09:40 PM
I'm glad to hear this. "Molly"..cute name. ;) My mom's dog is named Molly also.


One of our cat's name is Molly...I love it

RvUsa
08-11-2008, 09:48 PM
I saw a movie once with a girl in it whose name was molly! Wow, what a small world! :lmao: Sorry, I couldn't help myself! I am in a really bad mood and a TON of pain, and the drugs are making me loopy, but not helping. I am rambling on, I am going to leave now before I make a fool of myself, oops too late!

GOBA Mom Lynn
08-11-2008, 10:18 PM
Well, just to keep things going....
our beagle is named Molly, too!
Maybe we need to start a new club....:rotfl:
And just to keep this somewhat on topic, she loves riding around on the golf cart!

BigDaddyRog
08-11-2008, 10:41 PM
We had a black lab named Black Molly.

Gatordad
08-11-2008, 11:56 PM
*Laughs for other reasons.

terri01p
08-12-2008, 12:04 AM
Heehee boy how in the world did this thread go from golf carts out of control, to doggie poo to defending our family...gotta love the dis....and look at Gatordad all laughs because he's afraid he will have to shut down another thread for Rhonda..haha j/k :dance3:

terri01p
08-12-2008, 12:16 AM
I'll get this back on track for the morning crew :

Golf carts out of control...

People smelling and steping in dog poo at the fort...

Dogs named Molly...

Ok lets talk :chat:

stacktester
08-12-2008, 02:18 AM
Somehow or another these golf cart threads get turned into something like this lol. I've seen worse. Ok everybody walk 10 paces and turn around shootin. Mental illness is a really sad thing and I'd say thank the lord everyday you have your mind. Those of you that have handicapped relatives, I feel for you. The world is a mean place unfortunately to people like that and like someone said karma will come back.

Disney Campers
08-12-2008, 04:06 AM
Lets keep it on topic and be respectful to others, us the report post function rather than argue it out on the public forums. I'd hate to lock the thread.

auntie
08-12-2008, 08:01 AM
Ahhh.... therein lies the difference. You sign a waiver when you rent a cart that you acknowledge and will obey the rules. The fact that they can't be everywhere 24 hours a day being "big brother" bears out the liability issue. Disney's liability ends when you sign that form.

They do enforce the rules as much as they deem legally necessary. You've seen it and I've seen it. All Disney would have to do is produce CM's stating that they do enforce the rules. End of liability. I'm sure Perry Mason would even agree with that one!;)

I love these discussions, Pete!:goodvibes <smiley just to aggravate you - and I can't get points for that!>

Okay..now I'm caught up..I admit, I hadn't read the entire thread when I posted earlier, didn't realize the McDonalds thing had already been discussed. Johnny come lately, I am.
From what I've heard those waivers you sign aren't worth the paper they are printed on. I often wonder about this when you have to sign them when your kids participate in sports and things of that nature. It just my opinion that I'm pretty sure people have sued Disney regarding the carts...you just don't hear about it. These things almost never wind up in court, and they settle. It's a drop in the bucket to Disney.

Gatordad
08-12-2008, 09:03 AM
We had a black lab named Black Molly.

We had a black molly fish, named molly.

PolynesianPixie
08-12-2008, 09:32 AM
I saw a movie once with a girl in it whose name was molly! Wow, what a small world! :lmao: Sorry, I couldn't help myself! I am in a really bad mood and a TON of pain, and the drugs are making me loopy, but not helping. I am rambling on, I am going to leave now before I make a fool of myself, oops too late!

I hope you're feeling better!

This Molly?
http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff45/polynesianPixie/244_ringwald_molly_100506.jpg



I'm sure she likes Golf Carts at the fort and drives them responsibley. I'm also certain she cleans up after her pet when she stays in the 300 loop.

Gatordad
08-12-2008, 10:30 AM
Lets keep it on topic and be respectful to others, us the report post function rather than argue it out on the public forums. I'd hate to lock the thread.

Plus you can always put someone who you don't want to read their posts on "ignore".

Gatordad
08-12-2008, 10:31 AM
scwhiiiing molly ringwald.



I hope you're feeling better!

This Molly?
http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff45/polynesianPixie/244_ringwald_molly_100506.jpg



I'm sure she likes Golf Carts at the fort and drives them responsibley. I'm also certain she cleans up after her pet when she stays in the 300 loop.

auntie
08-12-2008, 09:23 PM
Plus you can always put someone who you don't want to read their posts on "ignore".

I hate to admit this..but that feature always made me want to read the posts more. I had to stop using it.:laughing:

Gatordad
08-12-2008, 10:24 PM
I have to let go.... that's why i put the flame there.

TheFlame
08-13-2008, 11:42 AM
I have to let go.... that's why i put the flame there.

I am sooooo honored! :goodvibes

Gatordad
08-13-2008, 05:00 PM
I hope you're feeling better!

This Molly?
http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff45/polynesianPixie/244_ringwald_molly_100506.jpg




I'm sure she likes Golf Carts at the fort and drives them responsibley. I'm also certain she cleans up after her pet when she stays in the 300 loop.

what did you do to Molly Ringwald????