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ftwildernessguy
07-31-2008, 11:00 AM
Ever wonder what happens to these homes after ABC leaves?

http://www.usnews.com/blogs/the-home-front/2008/07/29/extreme-makeover-home-in-foreclosure.html

VACAMPER
07-31-2008, 11:11 AM
I would not do that if someone wants to build me a new home.;)

Seriously, they've really taken away from their children.

ftwildernessguy
07-31-2008, 11:15 AM
I have often watched that show thinking "man, there is no way these people will be able to pay the utilities or maintain this house they're building." Not to mention doing something stupid with it, like these people did. Maybe ABC should do follow ups on these homes to see what they look like 2 or 3 years down the road. Now that would be some good TV.

VACAMPER
07-31-2008, 11:18 AM
They actually did one of these homes in our area.(blacksburg,VA) Single mom with MS. She had been a dancer. My sister has MS so i was glad this lady was chosen. It's no easy disease.

des1954
07-31-2008, 11:20 AM
Ever since the inception of this show I thought it was a very grandiose piece of showmanship with no forethought as to how these homes would actually impact the recipients. Most of these people can't afford the monthly utility bills on these monster homes, let alone the upkeep and taxes!

ABC thinks they're being so humanitarian by their actions. They would be more humanitarian if they donated their production costs to Habitat For Humanity so more homes of modest but nice means could be built for more people. Yeah....like THAT'S gonna happen.

ftwildernessguy
07-31-2008, 11:23 AM
Ever since the inception of this show I thought it was a very grandiose piece of showmanship with no forethought as to how these homes would actually impact the recipients. Most of these people can't afford the monthly utility bills on these monster homes, let alone the upkeep and taxes!

ABC thinks they're being so humanitarian by their actions. They would be more humanitarian if they donated their production costs to Habitat For Humanity so more homes of modest but nice means could be built for more people. Yeah....like THAT'S gonna happen.

You hit the nail on the head with that, Deb. But how many people would want to see a bunch of volunteers helping the working poor build a 3 bedroom, 1200 sq ft home for themselves?

RvUsa
07-31-2008, 11:26 AM
I actually like the show, but have always said they are way over the top for most of the people. They should take the money they spend on one of the mansions, and build 3 normal houses.

One thing that the show does, that is not always apparent, they bring a lot of causes to light, such as MS etc. They probably generate huge increases in revenues for these causes just by focusing on them for 1 hr.

It is on tv, so it has to be all grandiose, or it wouldn't still be on tv....

Shannone1
07-31-2008, 11:31 AM
I watched the show the first season when they actually did MAKEOVER's....not rebuild new homes for everyone. I enjoyed watching how they were going to figure out how to add on to an existing home. They did additions and added second levels. They were still wonderful homes...but they fit in a little better in their neighborhoods. I think it was more realistic and gave people ideas for what they may be able to do in their own homes.

DisneyBishops
07-31-2008, 11:36 AM
It is always the same. If you give some alot of money they will blow it fast. Even some of our athletes. They sign huge contracts and then are broke in a couple of years after they are done playing. We even had a family sue Florida Power and Light, for a down wire that killed a family member. They got like 50 million. Bought a big house and within a few months the elect. was shut off for no payment. Only saving grace here is that they didn't get all the money at once. Money just can't change some people.

Just goes to show you that you can take a pig out of the mud, give him a clean house, but he will still be a pig.

ftwildernessguy
07-31-2008, 11:42 AM
I watched the show the first season when they actually did MAKEOVER's....not rebuild new homes for everyone. I enjoyed watching how they were going to figure out how to add on to an existing home. They did additions and added second levels. They were still wonderful homes...but they fit in a little better in their neighborhoods. I think it was more realistic and gave people ideas for what they may be able to do in their own homes.

I remember those days, too. I wonder now about the quality going into these houses, too. Everything is just going up way too fast. And how come if I do something to my house, the work stops for a week while we wait for the inspector to come and okay things, but things fly for ABC and Disney?

Colson39
07-31-2008, 11:46 AM
Great show, but I agree, these people couldn't afford this lifestyle before, what makes them think 5 years down the road they will be able to.

Colson39
07-31-2008, 11:47 AM
I remember those days, too. I wonder now about the quality going into these houses, too. Everything is just going up way too fast. And how come if I do something to my house, the work stops for a week while we wait for the inspector to come and okay things, but things fly for ABC and Disney?

That's just editing. I doubt the houses go up nearly as fast as they make you think, or even tell you.

loveDmouse
07-31-2008, 11:48 AM
I love the show. It is one of my favorites.

People should really learn how to better manage their money then maybe there wouldn't be these issues. A lot of times their mortgages are paid off amoung other things. Some people just make bad choices. It is sad that they are given a great chance to start over and they mess it up.

Colson39
07-31-2008, 11:49 AM
People should really learn how to better manage their money then maybe there wouldn't be these issues.

100% agreed.

ftwildernessguy
07-31-2008, 11:51 AM
That's just editing. I doubt the houses go up nearly as fast as they make you think, or even tell you.

I'm thinking that, too. Also, I don't believe for a minute that they "surprise" the families when they show up and that clown Ty is screaming at them through the bullhorn. If he came to my house like that, I'd meet him at the door in my underwear with a 12 ga.

Colson39
07-31-2008, 11:56 AM
Yea, it's funny how when they come running out it's like they were all just sitting at the door waiting for them to show up...lol.

VACAMPER
07-31-2008, 11:56 AM
Most of the building is done prior to the show. The walls and such are put together in big warehouses off site.

loveDmouse
07-31-2008, 11:59 AM
Also, I don't believe for a minute that they "surprise" the families when they show up and that clown Ty is screaming at them through the bullhorn. If he came to my house like that, I'd meet him at the door in my underwear with a 12 ga.

:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

I wonder about that suprising stuff too. They just all run out all ready to go. Nobody in their pjs??? :confused3

PanFanAL
07-31-2008, 01:25 PM
I used to enjoy the show but it got to where some of the families didn't seem to deserving. Also, most of the time they either pay off the mortgage or give them money to help with the bills. So there is some forethought, but the problem is people like this that take out another mortgage on the home. I didn't read the article but that was my understanding of the situation. People like this that have no concept of good spending habits, you can't help them out of debt. Because they fall right back in it. My former boss was an elderly man who had been in business for himself for years told me the most important thing to remember when dealing with finances is "you can't buy yourself a profit, and you can't borrow yourself out of debt!"

LONE-STAR
07-31-2008, 01:50 PM
That's just editing. I doubt the houses go up nearly as fast as they make you think, or even tell you.

I have seen one go up it took 7 days. They find local builders that need a tax break and donate the house. Or at least thats how the one I saw went up. So I was told. To me show is kind of boring. Sad story and tears, send family to WDW and tears(never enough footage of WDW) tear down house and more tears, build a new house people see house and more tears the end.

RvUsa
07-31-2008, 01:53 PM
They built one about 20 miles from me, in youngstown oh, the guys wife died, and he was left with 2 or 3 kids, It is a beautiful house, (blue one with an angel in the top window with a ribbon going down the the kids bedroom windows) it looks really out of place, it is about 4 times the size of all the other houses in the area.

But it was built in a week or so. I didn't go, but it was in the papers, on the news etc, and they had it done FAST!!!

As an ex contractor, I hear ya on the permits/inspections, but when you have an unlimited budget and the power of a huge network and at least one local tv station owned by the show, you can make all kinds of things happen....

Call to local building code office....

Official: Hello smalltown bulding offical, how can I help you?

ABC: Yes this is ABC we ARE building a huge house in your town and you WILL give us the permits. You WILL have an inspector ready to be there at the drop of a hat, and you WILL NOT give us any problems.

Official: Well that is not how it works sir...

ABC: Well then I will call (insert local abc affiliate here) and they will show all the footage of you sleeping in your car on public time.

Official: What time did you say you wanted me to approve your plans?

auntie
07-31-2008, 02:01 PM
We had one built here on Long Island..and then the family couldn't afford the additional taxes. The school and general taxes here on Long Island are outrageous to begin with. It's pretty much the norm to be spending upwards of $8,000-10.000.00 year on taxes(school and general) for a normal size home...in more affluent communities you are looking at twice that. Then add in .. your mortgage:sad2: . This is why our kids can't afford to stay here..or our elderly can't afford to retire here. Anyway... when the new BIG house went up..so did their tax bill. How is that helping someone? I mean..if someone is in need..then helping out is the right thing to do. But to move them into a beautiful home that they couldn't possibly afford to financialy maintain, was no favor.:rolleyes:

Shannone1
07-31-2008, 02:30 PM
Here is another thing I don't get. Aside from permits...how do they make things work FASTER on tv ?? Example...we had a garage foundation laid and it took 5 days for the cement to harden enough drive a car on !! And we've had our home professionally painted and they tell you to wait at least a week before hanging pictures and such up on the walls.

So what I am wondering is what these homes look like after the tv cameras go home. If you check the little details are they still as nice as they appear on tv ?? Are the pictures stuck to the walls because they were put up too soon ?? How in the heck do they get the cement to dry so quickly ??

ftwildernessguy
07-31-2008, 02:34 PM
There are accelerators which can be added to cement to speed the set, but I'm not sure what this does to the overall strength. From my engineering days, I know that in general, the slower the set, the stronger the cement. That's why you will often see sprinklers on roads and bridges - they are slowing the set of the cement by keeping it wet and cool.

RvUsa
07-31-2008, 02:40 PM
The cement thing, you can order different types of mix, as well as additives, you could have fiberglass put in it to stop cracks, accelerators to make it cure faster... etc. That I get.

The paint I never thought of, I do know that they stay after the "reveal" to fix and repair and finish the little details. If you have ever seen the show "overhaulin" on tv, it's about doing the same thing to a car, and they keep the car for 30 days after the reveal, to actually hook up all the things they didn't need to show on tv. So I am sure it is the same on this show. Wow that is a nice sink, yep just don't try to use it yet, it's not hooked up.


Now what I can't understand is how the heck they can get 40 different trades working in 1 building and not have a war over who should be there first, and why did he do that, and who unplugged my extension. I have seen fist fights over an extension cord..... LOL trust me, its not pretty.

Disney Campers
07-31-2008, 02:46 PM
I think in this case the family had 2+ million in a maintenance fund on top of a paid for house, sad but I think greed took over in this case by taking out taht mortgage

2goofycampers
07-31-2008, 03:09 PM
Here is another thing I don't get. Aside from permits...how do they make things work FASTER on tv ?? Example...we had a garage foundation laid and it took 5 days for the cement to harden enough drive a car on !! And we've had our home professionally painted and they tell you to wait at least a week before hanging pictures and such up on the walls.

So what I am wondering is what these homes look like after the tv cameras go home. If you check the little details are they still as nice as they appear on tv ?? Are the pictures stuck to the walls because they were put up too soon ?? How in the heck do they get the cement to dry so quickly ??

Once in a while there will be a close shot of the walls. Normal drywall finishing has 3 coats to it, their walls look like they have had 1 and 2 coats to them.

I've wondered if when the TV crew is done, do they stay and do things right, or are you left with a slop job?

big kahuna1
07-31-2008, 03:14 PM
GOOD NEWS! We are gonna bail em' out now with this Mortgage bill they just passed so they will get to keep the house after all. Ain't that just wonderful? Our hard earned dollars get to pay their mortgage. Man, don't you just love our congress critters for asking us if we would like to pay our mortgages and pay theirs also.

Shannone1
07-31-2008, 03:27 PM
GOOD NEWS! We are gonna bail em' out now with this Mortgage bill they just passed so they will get to keep the house after all. Ain't that just wonderful? Our hard earned dollars get to pay their mortgage. Man, don't you just love our congress critters for asking us if we would like to pay our mortgages and pay theirs also.

To be fair, not everyone going into foreclosure is doing so because they were irresponsible or reckless. I know two families it is happening to. The first is a woman who just lost her husband. If she also just hadn't been laid off she may have been able to save the house. But now she is on her own with two kids and no job. It is VERY hard to find a job in Michigan right now. Even the part time fast food jobs are hard to get.

The other family has a small business that just went under. They tried very hard to keep it open, but they lost it anyway. Now they are losing their home too. It wasn't a huge house or anything...they didn't get it over their heads. The economy is horrible and people aren't spending the money they used to so it is hard to keep small businesses running :sad2:

I am glad the government is trying to do something to help. I don't know what the right answer is...I just know something has to be done. I don't think there is a quick fix :headache:

2goofycampers
07-31-2008, 03:28 PM
GOOD NEWS! We are gonna bail em' out now with this Mortgage bill they just passed so they will get to keep the house after all. Ain't that just wonderful? Our hard earned dollars get to pay their mortgage. Man, don't you just love our congress critters for asking us if we would like to pay our mortgages and pay theirs also.

I guess we need to look for a second job, to pay THEIR mortgages.

ftwildernessguy
07-31-2008, 03:32 PM
To be fair, not everyone going into foreclosure is doing so because they were irresponsible or reckless. I know two families it is happening to. The first is a woman who just lost her husband. If she also just hadn't been laid off she may have been able to save the house. But now she is on her own with two kids and no job. It is VERY hard to find a job in Michigan right now. Even the part time fast food jobs are hard to get.

The other family has a small business that just went under. They tried very hard to keep it open, but they lost it anyway. Now they are losing their home too. It wasn't a huge house or anything...they didn't get it over their heads. The economy is horrible and people aren't spending the money they used to so it is hard to keep small businesses running :sad2:

I am glad the government is trying to do something to help. I don't know what the right answer is...I just know something has to be done. I don't think there is a quick fix :headache:

Unfortuneately, the proposed bill probably won't do anything for these people. It is designed to assist people who shouldn't have qualified for mortgages in the first place, and were given high risk loans. The reality is, the only reason the government is getting involved is that the lenders who made these risky loans are HUGE. If I, as an individual business person, cannot pay my mortgage due to the crappy economy, the government could care less.

RvUsa
07-31-2008, 06:30 PM
OMG!!! Don't get me started in "We are NOT going to bail them out.... pssst hey fanny want a couple BILLION dollars? ITS NOT A BAIL OUT MY ***!!!

I am sorry, if you were so shortsighted as to take an ARM and not read that hey, in 3 yrs your payment will TRIPLE, you need to loose your house. There is a difference between having unexpected circumstances threaten your home ownership, and just being greedy.


Did anyone just see the Exxon just posted an 11 BILLION dollar quarterly profit today, the largest quarterly profit EVER posted by a company in the US.

AuburnJen92
07-31-2008, 06:51 PM
My wish for the Extreme show is what they do for the extremely obese in the Big Medicine show. Not only do they give them the surgery they need to get the weight off, they have a full staff of psychologists, psychiatrists, social work teams and such to help the people transition from a life of eating and thinking to a different way of life of eating and thinking. Now, if a person has been poor his whole life and someone walks on their doorstep and says, "Here is a new house, free mortgage and all this money to send your kiddies to college and pay the utilities so you don't have to worry!", I find it hard to believe these people have the life skills to cope with this. IF the show gave a damn, they would have a social team to stay with the family to teach them how to manage this new found wealth to be able to keep it to pass along to their children, to which it was meant for in the first place. It seems that most of the time, they pick families where 1)there are children, and 2)children are in dire need. These people have been working in survival mode for so long that they have no life skills to deal with any thought of the responsibilities of wealth, much less the barrage of relatives that will be on their doorstep once the bus leaves and the cameras are packed up.

Ok, the teacher will get off her soapbox.:teacher:

lawnspecialties
07-31-2008, 06:59 PM
There have been multiple Habitat for Humanity homes with a very similar situation. Habitat homeowners receive an extremely low or even 0% loan to finance the home they've received at a very low cost. Then quite often, the homeowner receives an offer in the mail pushing refinancing and drawing cash out of their home. They get cash, a hugely higher interest rate, and subsequently higher payment. Next thing you know, they're out.

This statement certainly doesn't apply to everyone but "most people are in the financial situation they're in due to their own doing". So often, the rich do get richer and the poor do get poorer because of the decisions they make, period.

ntsammy5
07-31-2008, 08:34 PM
This was predictable. It's not only about poor decisions, it's also about lack of a work ethic, lack of common sense, lack of a lot of things. I don't watch any of these shows - I want to be entertained not revulsed when I watch TV.

I watched a news show the other night and listened to a couple who had flipped several houses over the last few years and ended up with a $1.5 million McMansion that they couldn't afford. They were critical of the government because, they deserved a 3% mortgage rate and a moratorium on making payments and couldn't get either. DESERVED? Of course it was the government's fault, not theirs. The entitlement mentality annoys me.

lawnspecialties
07-31-2008, 08:38 PM
This was predictable. It's not only about poor decisions, it's also about lack of a work ethic, lack of common sense, lack of a lot of things. I don't watch any of these shows - I want to be entertained not revulsed when I watch TV.

I watched a news show the other night and listened to a couple who had flipped several houses over the last few years and ended up with a $1.5 million McMansion that they couldn't afford. They were critical of the government because, they deserved a 3% mortgage rate and a moratorium on making payments and couldn't get either. DESERVED? Of course it was the government's fault, not theirs. The entitlement mentality annoys me.

Every word in this post was extremely well put.

RvUsa
07-31-2008, 09:16 PM
Every word in this post was extremely well put.

:thumbsup2:thumbsup2:thumbsup2

Bailing these mortgage companies out just chaps my goat!! The money is going to the companies, some of it may trickle down to the smoe who bought the mcmansion that was way out of their range, but in the end it is just shoring up companies that used greed instead of good business practices to guide their business. :mad::mad::mad:

ftwildernessguy
07-31-2008, 09:20 PM
Personally, I think there are a bunch of employees of these mortgage companies who should be in jail. It is unbelievable how people can pull crap like this that essentially has devastated the American economy and nothing happens to them. And was all this mortgage mess really unpredictable? I figured this was going to happen years ago. I'm actually surprised it took this long for the crap to hit the fan.

RvUsa
07-31-2008, 09:28 PM
Yeah, I saw this one coming a mile away too, I just never thought about what it was going to do to the rest of us. I just figured that I could buy a couple of foreclosed houses cheap, fix em up and make a buck. Well I was wrong, I can buy 100's of houses near here for less than 10k, but they are worth 9k... LOL

PolynesianPixie
07-31-2008, 10:24 PM
They actually did one of these homes in our area.(blacksburg,VA) Single mom with MS. She had been a dancer. My sister has MS so i was glad this lady was chosen. It's no easy disease.

I drive by that house every now and then just to check on it. It still looks picture perfect! The dance studio they did for her is another story. It was actually rental property that they fixed up and the landlord didn't keep the roof up so the whole thing leaked and did a whole bunch of damage. They aren't using it for the studio now, despite all the incredible stuff they put into it~maybe they will never use it again.

YodaGirl
08-01-2008, 12:19 AM
Another example of how money can't fix money problems. It's a shame that the parents were so short-sighted that they risked (and lost) such a huge opportunity for their children.

I have wondered several times how people can afford to keep the homes. I believe one person had to sell his because he couldn't afford the taxes. This past season, it seemed as though they were building relatively smaller homes.

As for the government bail out, I think it's a load of crap. If we're going to help anyone, it should be the people who honestly tried, but lost their jobs or whatever. I don't tend to have much sympathy for people who were just trying to keep up with the Jones' and got a house that they knew darn good and well that they couldn't afford. Not my fault. Shouldn't be my problem.

loveDmouse
08-01-2008, 02:43 PM
As for the government bail out, I think it's a load of crap. If we're going to help anyone, it should be the people who honestly tried, but lost their jobs or whatever. I don't tend to have much sympathy for people who were just trying to keep up with the Jones' and got a house that they knew darn good and well that they couldn't afford. Not my fault. Shouldn't be my problem.

I feel the same way!

ntsammy5
08-01-2008, 02:45 PM
just chaps my goat!!

:lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: