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Tonya2426
07-23-2008, 04:41 PM
I am joining Pete on his mission to eliminate the lake swimming at WDW. Just this past Friday evening we were on our way to the MK via boat from the GF and while docking at the Poly I snapped this picture.

http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w98/Tonya2426/Disney%207-2008/Disney7-2008038.jpg

Of course seeing these people in the lake led me to give a 5 minute dissertation to my family about swimming in the lakes in Florida and DYING - I didn't even go in to the alligators!!! :eek:

You go Pete!!!! And let me know where I can sign up to be "Norma Rae". :rolleyes1

MenashaCorp
07-23-2008, 05:02 PM
FYI-From the Gub'mint's mouth:

read here about Brain Amoebas (http://www.doh.state.fl.us/Environment/community/foodsurveillance/PAM-Naegleria_fowleri_summary.pdf)

DVCsince02
07-23-2008, 05:27 PM
This is way worse than bed bugs....

drakethib
07-23-2008, 05:30 PM
I havent heard the podcast yet but what is the big deal about swimming in the lake?

Maybe that is the cajun coming out of me, but I would rather a lake then the ocean on anyday

MenashaCorp
07-23-2008, 05:34 PM
I havent heard the podcast yet but what is the big deal about swimming in the lake?

Maybe that is the cajun coming out of me, but I would rather a lake then the ocean on anyday

1) Gators - I think you cajuns can take 'em, though. ;)
2) Naegleria fowleri - amoebas in Florida freshwater that go up your nose and eat your brain like an Outer Limits or Twilight Zone episode... :scared1:

disneyholic family
07-23-2008, 05:37 PM
i friend of mine wants me to participate in the triathlon (swimming, biking, running)..
does anyone know where the swimming portion of the race is held?

when she told me there's a triathlon at WDW, my first thought was amoebas....

catycatcat4
07-23-2008, 05:38 PM
I was at the park one day there was this lake these retards where thorwing stuff at gators.

Disney should like stop them from like swimming there.

Alicnwondrln
07-23-2008, 05:41 PM
There are signs are everywhere not to swim in the lakes.
Wow

ericafny
07-23-2008, 07:05 PM
I honestly don't know how someone could swim in the lake when there is a sign posted that they shouldn't. Obv Disney has posted the signs for a good reason. I am def with you Pete - people do not swim in the lake!!!!

And the brain ameobas or whatever they are totally freak me out :scared1:

disneygirl 17
07-23-2008, 07:16 PM
After watching the fishing video that was posted and seeing that snake...I am not swimming in any lakes in FL.

catycatcat4
07-23-2008, 07:33 PM
There is alot of places where ppl live around lakes and go in them all the time.

Like the bizz party every summer at a lake we go tubbing in it no one ever sees any thing in it other than fish and birds.

parrotheadlois
07-23-2008, 07:36 PM
I am joining Pete on his mission to eliminate the lake swimming at WDW. Just this past Friday evening we were on our way to the MK via boat from the GF and while docking at the Poly I snapped this picture.

http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w98/Tonya2426/Disney%207-2008/Disney7-2008038.jpg

Of course seeing these people in the lake led me to give a 5 minute dissertation to my family about swimming in the lakes in Florida and DYING - I didn't even go in to the alligators!!! :eek:

You go Pete!!!! And let me know where I can sign up to be "Norma Rae". :rolleyes1


Survival of the fittest. Reduction in the earth's population. Lake swimmers - swim away!

catycatcat4
07-23-2008, 08:21 PM
Survival of the fittest. Reduction in the earth's population. Lake swimmers - swim away!

yup what i was thinking but i get killed wiht flames when say stuff like that.

Code
07-23-2008, 09:23 PM
3% survival rate in a clinical setting once infected.. that is terrifying!

Wikipedia entry on Naegleria Fowleri (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naegleria)

UKMark
07-24-2008, 03:15 AM
:scared1: It killed 23 people in the US from 1995 to 2004, and has killed six in 2007 (3 in Florida, 2 in Texas, and 1 in Arizona).Maybe they should put that on the signs :rotfl:

jbucci
07-24-2008, 06:17 AM
Speaking of critters in the lake does anyone know if otters live in there too. I was at downtown Disney a few years back and swear an otter crawled out of the water and ran in front of me :scared1: My only witness was a sleeping one year old in a stroller but I know I saw something just can't figure out what it might have been.

luna99
07-24-2008, 06:50 AM
I honestly don't know how someone could swim in the lake when there is a sign posted that they shouldn't.

Unfortunately I really believe that at least 95% of all accidents and/or deaths at theme parks (disney or otherwise) occur when people aren't doing what they are supposed to. Like the kid who was killed at the theme park what was that? a month ago or so? and I remember hearing about a guy who "died" (or was badly injured and then died OFF DISNEY PROPERTY) on splash mountain sometime in 2001 or so.

me personally, I would never swim in one of the lakes... mainly because there are awesome pools just for that purpose and if I see a sign that says "don't swim"... well, I don't swim! :confused3

does anyone know... are the signs well posted? like all over the place? where there is no excuse for anyone.. or is there like one or two signs that could be easily not seen? (I'm guessing Disney would have them plastered everywhere!) I've never been out to the lake by the Poly.

ericafny
07-24-2008, 07:12 AM
Survival of the fittest. Reduction in the earth's population. Lake swimmers - swim away!

:lmao: :lmao: :lmao:

Regina
07-24-2008, 07:51 AM
I remember when a young boy died after swimming at River Country. It was traced to a parasite in the water. River Country was closed permanently shortly after that terrible incident.

I've seen otters, I've also seen alligators and big honkin' snapping turtles in the waters around WDW. It drives me crazy when I see anyone in the lakes. :sad2:

ADP
07-24-2008, 08:15 AM
Hi Tonya,

Funny you should post that picture because I have a similar picture from the pool side of the Poly last Sunday (swimmers in the background).

http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb190/cdpa4d/Picture233-1-2.jpg

When I posted this photo in our live trip report I believe it was Mindy (Ursalashadow) who saw the swimming in the background and commented on it. You can see the brown sign to the right of the photo telling guest "No Swimming".

FireDancer
07-24-2008, 08:18 AM
I wonder how Disney holds triathlons in their lakes if they know of these problems. The Athletes for a Cure Triathlon is at Fort Wilderness Campground in September and the swim is most likely in Bay Lake.

LilGMom
07-24-2008, 08:31 AM
Heck, I don't even like swimming in the Gulf if I can't see the bottom. Rivers around my part of FL, like Blackwater River, I will not swim in because, well, the water is black and there is no telling who or what you are swimming with.

I think some of the resorts have not only signs but floating ropes just a few feet off the shore, I know WL does.

luna99
07-24-2008, 08:49 AM
I think some of the resorts have not only signs but floating ropes just a few feet off the shore, I know WL does.

I could be totally off base about this.. but wouldn't some people think the floating ropes might be a sign that it's OK to swim in the more shallow areas and that disney is roping it off in order to say "don't go past this certain part"?

I just am thinking about our trip to Aruba and how they had an area roped off that we could not go past when swimming in the ocean... granted, it was a lot further away than a few feet from the shore. :confused3

LilGMom
07-24-2008, 09:42 AM
I could be totally off base about this.. but wouldn't some people think the floating ropes might be a sign that it's OK to swim in the more shallow areas and that disney is roping it off in order to say "don't go past this certain part"?

People might think that but at WL the ropes are maybe 3-5 feet from the shoreline and there are still signs about not swimming in the area. People will see the signs, see the ropes and still do what they want regardless because some people tend to think those warnings don't apply to them because they are 'special'. Kinda like people stepping over barriers to stand near a lion enclosure at the zoo, sticking their fingers in the enclosure and then wonder why they got attacked. :confused3

Minnie Lor
07-24-2008, 02:48 PM
So tell me, how do you respond when you see someone doing something dangerous. Do you turn the other way? Mubble real loud under your breath about people being morons that can't read or do you point out the error of their ways? I've always been curious how others react. I feel like I should mind my own business but I can't help saying something.

What do you do?

luna99
07-24-2008, 02:55 PM
So tell me, how do you respond when you see someone doing something dangerous

this is a great question because DH and I had an incident like this happen this weekend. We were hiking around some waterfalls and there was a woman with her infant baby posing for a picture on a bridge over a BIG drop that lead to a gorge.... the woman thought it would be a cute idea to sit her baby on the edge of the bridge, hold the hands of the baby, and then crouch down behind the wall of the bridge so her husband could take a picture and it would look like the baby was sitting alone on the bridge. Ummm...what?!? :eek:

I didn't say anything.. but come on! all it would have taken was a small slip and if she let go of the baby's tiny hands... it would have fallen down into the gorge! It was literally the scariest thing I had seen in a long time..but what could I do? She more than likely would get angry at me for telling her what to do with her child... and it's not like the baby actually fell... but still! :sad2: DH and I walked away and before I could say a word to him he said "never do something like that with our child". lol.

FireDancer
07-24-2008, 03:25 PM
Based on the new signs I’ve seen around the Disney Lakes it would appear that they are finally getting pro-active about the problem:

http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g219/frankjosephc/DIS%20Boards/NoSwimming.jpg

tlbwriter
07-24-2008, 03:33 PM
does anyone know... are the signs well posted? like all over the place? where there is no excuse for anyone.. or is there like one or two signs that could be easily not seen? (I'm guessing Disney would have them plastered everywhere!) I've never been out to the lake by the Poly.

I don't remember seeing signs at all when we stayed at the GF. And if I saw signs that said "no swimming," I would have assumed they meant exactly that - no swimming. As in, "don't go swimming or you'll get eaten by an alligator or a boat will run over you." I would have assumed wading along the beach was safe - in fact, I did assume just that, and let my daughter do it (cringing over that now, of course). If the water itself is unsafe, the signs need to say more than "no swimming." They need to say "stay out of the water."

Kaler131
07-24-2008, 03:37 PM
Great sign Firedancer! :lmao: :lmao: :thumbsup2

disneyholic family
07-24-2008, 03:39 PM
I wonder how Disney holds triathlons in their lakes if they know of these problems. The Athletes for a Cure Triathlon is at Fort Wilderness Campground in September and the swim is most likely in Bay Lake.

i posted a question earlier in this post about the triathlon..
a friend of mine asked if i would participate in the triathlon with her...
when she mentioned triathlon, the thought of amoebas immediately popped into my head...i couldn't imagine they swim in the lake...do they????
if so, i'm definitely not joining in the "fun" :confused3

lady danger
07-24-2008, 03:48 PM
Even before Pete explained the dangers of swimming in Florida lakes, I was surprised anyone wanted to swim in the ones at Disney. I've always thought they looked pretty gross (at least where it's shallow). I grew up swimming in lakes so I'm not normally opposed to it, but they didn't look inviting to me at all!

mommyceratops
07-24-2008, 03:51 PM
http://i199.photobucket.com/albums/aa272/kdreino/Pete-shirt.jpg

http://i199.photobucket.com/albums/aa272/kdreino/Pete-shirt.jpg

Justish
07-24-2008, 04:32 PM
I knew there was a reason why I wear this nose plug besides the
fabulous fashion statement it makes...

(It's GREEN! ^_^)

Not that I'd EVER swim in bay lake... but you never know what could be in
tha water! don't want my nosey getting ickified! *shudders*

~Ally

pwdebbie
07-24-2008, 08:33 PM
In the pictures, the people are not swimming, they are wading. Two different things. Perhaps the signs should say No Swimming or Wading.

Deb
POFQ, Oct. 2007

MenashaCorp
07-24-2008, 09:00 PM
In the pictures, the people are not swimming, they are wading. Two different things. Perhaps the signs should say No Swimming or Wading.

Deb
POFQ, Oct. 2007


Two Diseases... No Wading ;)

Tissa
07-24-2008, 09:59 PM
i friend of mine wants me to participate in the triathlon (swimming, biking, running)..
does anyone know where the swimming portion of the race is held?

when she told me there's a triathlon at WDW, my first thought was amoebas....


They do swim in the lake. I found this on a blog.

I was happy to be in the first wave and get going first thing. I wore a noseclip for the first time in a triathlon swim since there was some possibility of toxic amoebas in the 84-degree water. It was also my first non-wetsuit swim in a triathlon.

Jennygt
07-24-2008, 10:01 PM
I also saw small kids in the water at the poly last year and I was afraid something was going to happen to them. I was just watching the planning dvd tonight the "just for kids section" and they show the kids IN bay lake water ski, tubing. I was surprised that they let the kids in the water like that for all of the reasons that Pete said. I think that better signs are needed. I have seen threads of all the photos of "wildlife" in the water around wdw:scared1:

VonBaroketch
07-25-2008, 12:03 AM
As a native Floridian growing up in the water skiing capital of the world, I have seen too many gators and water moccasins to ever step into a Florida lake (granted, I do have an irrational fear of snakes - I blame Sunday School). I remember as a child living across the street from a lake when we would find gators in our yard. I was at the Polynesian tonight watching the fireworks, and even after dark there were still kids playing in the lake water on the beach between the Poly and the wedding chapel. It just looked like a bad situation waiting to happen.

disneyholic family
07-25-2008, 01:36 AM
They do swim in the lake. I found this on a blog.

thanks for posting...

that's truly disgusting.......why would i want to compete in a triathlon that could make me sick?

do noseclips prevent you from catching the amoebas?

Cool-Beans
07-25-2008, 01:43 AM
I waded many times at the Poly and never even thought about alligators. The closest I ever came was the movie. :)

A (former) DISer told me I was being an idiot and should always remember that in Florida...where there is water, there could be alligators. Then I stopped.

They should put pictures of alligators crawling out of water on those signs. ;) But there is the argument that if you're as dumb as I was, you deserve to get eaten by an alligator.

SamIAm21
07-25-2008, 08:52 AM
I think Walter explained that the water had to be over 80 degrees for the amoebas to become active in the water. So, possibly, the water temperature is lower than that at the time of the triathalon thereby reducing that risk. However, gators are cold blooded and it wouldn't matter how cold the water was, they'd still be there!

dmccarty
07-25-2008, 09:34 AM
This cracks me up.

People are afraid to swim in FLA lakes because of gators and bug that might get into their brains. :confused3

I'm a native Floridian who spent almost everyday in the summer swimming in FLA lakes. They pulled gators out of the lake we used to swim. Course we used to have muck fights too. Who knows what wee nasty things were in the muck scooped up from the bottom of the lake. :rotfl:

If you look at the number of people who have actually gotten the bug its a pretty small risk. We had a greater risk of drowning that getting killed by a brain burrowing water bug. Or getting bit by a poisonous snake getting to the lake. Want the hear the story about almost stepping on a huge copperhead sleeping at the end of the walkway? In bare feet? :eek:

About the time I moved away from FLA there were three attacks on people by gators. In two cases the people bitten eventually admitted they were messing with the gator. In the third case a boy died.

We happened to kayak down the spring fed river where the attack happened. When we were putting the kayaks in the water the trapper was about to head downstream and get the gator. Somewhere I have a very fuzzy picture of the gator that was about to be take out by the trapper. There is NO WAY that the boy could have been killed by a gator that was unseen by the family unless they were blind. The water in this section of river is crystal clear. We have 16 and 17 foot kayaks that had trouble taking the curves in the river because the river is so narrow in this section.

The odds are that family was feeding or harrassing the gator and the kid got killed. The reports at them time mentioned the family splashing in the water. Just no way you could not see this gator.

Most people attacked by gators are harassing or feeding the gators. People don't realize that gators can move real fast for short distances. But they will try to feed them or get close to gators to show their kids. I once saw a mom with two little kids a couple of feet from the water pointing at a gator. Based on the size of the gator's head it was 8-10 feet long. The gator was 2-3 feet from the mother and children. I did have a talk to her about how large the gator was and how fast it could move. She moved.

Swimming in daytime is one thing. Swimming at night is a new ball game. The place the mother was offering her children up as gator food is full of gators. Its Holiday Park west of Ft. Lauderdale. You will not see many gators during the daytime. Go at night and shine a light and you will see hundreds and hundred of red eyes in the water. Those eyes ain't from frogs. :) I would not swim there in daytime or night time. :lmao:

Having said all of this but your chances of getting killed in the car going to WDW is higher than getting bit by a gator/snake or getting the bug while swimming in a FLA lake.

And I'm sure WDW signs against swimming are to minimize lawsuits if someone does go swimming and something happens. Though with the beaches and lines/floats in the water it sure looks like a place to go swim. The term attractive nuisance would seem to apply.

I'm not swimming the lakes at WDW cause I like clean water to swim in. I'm getting soft in my old age. :lmao:

I don't like swimming in the ocean either but its not because a shark might get me either. :rotfl:

Later,
Dan

DisneyKevin
07-25-2008, 09:52 AM
From CNN last year;

http://www.cnn.com/2007/HEALTH/09/18/zarrella.killerlakes/index.html

This might not happen to you or your loved ones....but why would you take that risk?

lilmrsellis
07-25-2008, 09:56 AM
This cracks me up.
Me too actually. :lmao: :lmao: Every summer as a kid we visited my Granny in Salt Springs and spent half the time on either Lake Kerr or Lake George. Actually, last year when we went to WDW we went to Lake Kerr with my uncle. Any lake in the US will have hazards other than just drowning. The culture of fear here in the US can be so infuriating sometimes. I mean there are rattlesnakes in the mountains in WV and TN, but that doesn't stop people from seeing our beautiful mountains. That being said, I would not swim in Disney's lakes. Why? Because they ask you not to. Simple as that. I respect their request, whether I like it or not.;)

ericafny
07-25-2008, 10:10 AM
I agree with Kevin - why WOULD you take the risk? CNN is a pretty respected news source so I definitly think the story has some credibility.

However, to those people that 'grew up' swimming in the lakes then continue to swim...but I don't want to have to say 'I told you so'..

soupy11
07-25-2008, 10:13 AM
good post....people just have to be scared of stuff. It makes us good little consumers...


This cracks me up.

People are afraid to swim in FLA lakes because of gators and bug that might get into their brains. :confused3

I'm a native Floridian who spent almost everyday in the summer swimming in FLA lakes. They pulled gators out of the lake we used to swim. Course we used to have muck fights too. Who knows what wee nasty things were in the muck scooped up from the bottom of the lake. :rotfl:

If you look at the number of people who have actually gotten the bug its a pretty small risk. We had a greater risk of drowning that getting killed by a brain burrowing water bug. Or getting bit by a poisonous snake getting to the lake. Want the hear the story about almost stepping on a huge copperhead sleeping at the end of the walkway? In bare feet? :eek:

About the time I moved away from FLA there were three attacks on people by gators. In two cases the people bitten eventually admitted they were messing with the gator. In the third case a boy died.

We happened to kayak down the spring fed river where the attack happened. When we were putting the kayaks in the water the trapper was about to head downstream and get the gator. Somewhere I have a very fuzzy picture of the gator that was about to be take out by the trapper. There is NO WAY that the boy could have been killed by a gator that was unseen by the family unless they were blind. The water in this section of river is crystal clear. We have 16 and 17 foot kayaks that had trouble taking the curves in the river because the river is so narrow in this section.

The odds are that family was feeding or harrassing the gator and the kid got killed. The reports at them time mentioned the family splashing in the water. Just no way you could not see this gator.

Most people attacked by gators are harassing or feeding the gators. People don't realize that gators can move real fast for short distances. But they will try to feed them or get close to gators to show their kids. I once saw a mom with two little kids a couple of feet from the water pointing at a gator. Based on the size of the gator's head it was 8-10 feet long. The gator was 2-3 feet from the mother and children. I did have a talk to her about how large the gator was and how fast it could move. She moved.

Swimming in daytime is one thing. Swimming at night is a new ball game. The place the mother was offering her children up as gator food is full of gators. Its Holiday Park west of Ft. Lauderdale. You will not see many gators during the daytime. Go at night and shine a light and you will see hundreds and hundred of red eyes in the water. Those eyes ain't from frogs. :) I would not swim there in daytime or night time. :lmao:

Having said all of this but your chances of getting killed in the car going to WDW is higher than getting bit by a gator/snake or getting the bug while swimming in a FLA lake.

And I'm sure WDW signs against swimming are to minimize lawsuits if someone does go swimming and something happens. Though with the beaches and lines/floats in the water it sure looks like a place to go swim. The term attractive nuisance would seem to apply.

I'm not swimming the lakes at WDW cause I like clean water to swim in. I'm getting soft in my old age. :lmao:

I don't like swimming in the ocean either but its not because a shark might get me either. :rotfl:

Later,
Dan

SamIAm21
07-25-2008, 10:55 AM
I just like to rely on the adage...

Better safe, than sorry.

I'll stay out of the lakes, but then again, I don't think I've ever been in a Florida lake.

soupy11
07-25-2008, 11:00 AM
I just like to rely on the adage...

Better safe, than sorry.

I'll stay out of the lakes, but then again, I don't think I've ever been in a Florida lake.

Yeah, in this case I think that's a safe bet, based on sheer unpleasantness of the water - not due to some one in a million chance at a brain eating critter or a man-eating alligator!

dmccarty
07-25-2008, 11:26 AM
From CNN last year;

http://www.cnn.com/2007/HEALTH/09/18/zarrella.killerlakes/index.html

This might not happen to you or your loved ones....but why would you take that risk?

The article said, "That is because the amoeba is very rare. The Centers for Disease Control in Atlanta, Georgia, has documented 24 cases in the United States since 1989."

How many people drowned in swimming pools since 1989? I bet alot more then 24 people in 9 years.

For fear of getting this amoeba nobody should water ski or swim in a FLA lake? Life is risk that has to be managed. There is far more danger driving down I4 to get to WDW than going swimming in FLA lake.

I guess I am a huge risk taker.... :)

I once went swimming....

Down the BLACK River in North FLA. :lmao:

I am off to do something really risky. I'm going to go use a chainsaw to cut down some dead trees.

If I survive....

I'll be back....

:thumbsup2

I'm sure I'll be back. I minimize my risk by kinda knowing what I'm doing and wearing safety equipment.

Later,
Dan

mommyceratops
07-25-2008, 11:57 AM
I was telling DH about this in last night and he goes...

"I used to fish with the gators when I lived in Flordia" I left it at that...DS8 who is a huge animal planet fan lectured on wild animals and I ended it thinking about daring him to swim in Bay Lake next time we are down there. :confused3

No worries the ameobas would starv to death if they lived off brain tissue! :lmao:

DisneyKevin
07-25-2008, 12:12 PM
The article said, "That is because the amoeba is very rare. The Centers for Disease Control in Atlanta, Georgia, has documented 24 cases in the United States since 1989."

How many people drowned in swimming pools since 1989? I bet alot more then 24 people in 9 years.

For fear of getting this amoeba nobody should water ski or swim in a FLA lake? Life is risk that has to be managed. There is far more danger driving down I4 to get to WDW than going swimming in FLA lake.

1989 was actually 19 years ago....so the statistics are even greater that this might not happen to you, but it happened 4 times last year. Could it be that this has become more prevalent? Who knows?

But I bet the parents of those four kids wish they hadn't let their kid swim in a lake.

No one (other Disney...and they own the property) is telling you CAN'T swim in lakes, we're suggesting that you shouldn't.

There are varying degrees of risk associated with everything in life, but we try to take precautions to avoid those risks.

Kids now wear bike helmets.

Seat belts are LAW in most places.

Sun block is advisable when going outdoors.

Can kids ride bikes withouth helmets...sure, but they are safer when wearing them. The same is true of the seat belts and the sun block. You might not get in a car accident and you might not get skin cancer from the sun, but then again...you might and you are safer taking precautions.

Thats all this is....a set of precautions to lower your risk.

I come from the northeast and swimming in a lake during the summer was a yearly ritual., but the lakes in the northeast freeze in the winter and rarely , if ever, reach 84 degrees.

People coming to central Florida might not know that there is a risk involved in swimming in a Florida lake and no matter how minor you feel the risk may be.....we feel that they should know that the risk is there, just as we feel that Cinderella's Royal Table is a rip off or that an attraction is undergoing a rehab. It helps people plan their vacation and having some facts might make it a safer vacation.

If this is an acceptable risk to you....go for it, but at the very least, you now have the information to make an informed decision.

safetymom
07-25-2008, 12:34 PM
Amen!!!

I can't tell you the number of excuses I heard from people when I told them they needed to wear seat belts or bike helmets.

There is a documented risk of an amoeba in Florida lakes. When a loved one dies because they didn't heed the warnings is that really the way you want to remember your vacation?

The more people that hear about the amoeba danger the more people can make an informed decision.

If Pete hadn't brought up this topic how many people on the DIS knew this? Now that you do be responsible and do the right thing. Stay out of the fresh water lakes in FL.

rlduvall
07-25-2008, 12:56 PM
I live in Oklahoma and a couple of years ago two young boys playing together died from water amoeba(s). It was a City water splash pad and they were playing in water that had stagnated to the side of the splash pad. That same year, a few other children in our area died from the same thing, but from swimming in lakes. :sad1:

LilGMom
07-25-2008, 01:42 PM
I was telling DH about this in last night and he goes...

"I used to fish with the gators when I lived in Flordia" I left it at that...DS8 who is a huge animal planet fan lectured on wild animals and I ended it thinking about daring him to swim in Bay Lake next time we are down there. :confused3

No worries the ameobas would starv to death if they lived off brain tissue! :lmao:


:lmao: :lmao: :lmao: Too funny and so nicely put!

catycatcat4
07-25-2008, 02:25 PM
don't walk arond with out shoes on you never know whats crawling around on the ground.

disneydude91
07-25-2008, 02:27 PM
Couldn't you just wear nose plugs to avoid the amoebas?:confused3

SamIAm21
07-25-2008, 02:34 PM
The article said, "That is because the amoeba is very rare. The Centers for Disease Control in Atlanta, Georgia, has documented 24 cases in the United States since 1989."

How many people drowned in swimming pools since 1989? I bet alot more then 24 people in 9 years.

For fear of getting this amoeba nobody should water ski or swim in a FLA lake? Life is risk that has to be managed. There is far more danger driving down I4 to get to WDW than going swimming in FLA lake.

I guess I am a huge risk taker.... :)

I once went swimming....

Down the BLACK River in North FLA. :lmao:

I am off to do something really risky. I'm going to go use a chainsaw to cut down some dead trees.

If I survive....

I'll be back....

:thumbsup2

I'm sure I'll be back. I minimize my risk by kinda knowing what I'm doing and wearing safety equipment.

Later,
Dan

I don't really know about anyone else, and I speak for myself here, but I really don't enjoy being talked down to or patronized. I think the Podcast Crew has done a good job of putting a "prescient warning" out there for everyone. They are doing it out of the care and concern they have for their listeners and nothing more. You want to swim in the waters, fine, no one is really stopping you (even Disney apparently), but these types of posts are not necessary, in my humble opinion.

I, being an Illinois resident, had never even heard of these amoebas until yesterday. So, at least they did their job and informed me of a possible danger. For that, I thank them.

lugnut33
07-25-2008, 02:42 PM
I would have no problem swimming in the lakes around WDW, however there are signs asking me not to. Besides, Disney has provided us with lots of really nice crystal clear heated pools to swim in.

pigletfan122
07-25-2008, 02:45 PM
Kevin i totally agree with everything you said on this matter.Right now i live in the northeast and you are right the lakes here never reach 84 degrees. i am movin to the area in jan and this info is very valuable to me. i won't be swimming in any lakes in the area. Thanks again for the info!!!

DizMom11
07-25-2008, 03:11 PM
Last year at this time my kids did an hour of tubing with the Sammy Duvall Watersport at the CR. The man driving the boat encouraged them to swim in Bay lake if the fell of the tubes. They spent alot of time swimming in the lake, jumping of the boat into the lake and such. It was completely sanctioned by the man operating the boat. This is in the middle of the lake, not the shore. Does that make a difference in terms of ameoba/gaters/snakes and such? They also were of course completely soaked from being on the tubes alone. They had such a great time that that is all they want to do when we go back next month. Would Parasailing and the waverunners be safer? Thanks:wizard:
PS
I am completely addicted to the Podcast!!!!!!!!

safetymom
07-25-2008, 03:42 PM
Yes parasailing and waverunners would be safer. I sure wouldn't want to be swimming with the gators and the snakes in deeper water. The ameoba is usually found closer to shore.

Cool-Beans
07-25-2008, 04:24 PM
The way I see it, why go swimming in a place that has a really good chance of not having deadly amoebae and alligators when you could go swimming in a place that has zero chance of those things?

Hello, swimming pool. Let's be friends. :)

I was thankful when it was pointed out to me.

When I parasailed I never even touched the water.

UrsulasShadow
07-25-2008, 04:31 PM
I don't usually mind snakes, but aggressive, poisonous water snakes are something I'd try to avoid.
I don't usually mind lizards, but really big, sharp-toothed hungry lizards that could eat me are another story.
I don't mind catching a cold, but brain-eating amoebas are a different beast altogether (I don't think I'd want EEE or West Nile, either, so I wear DEET around here).
You take precautions. With driving, not so many options available...to get from point A to point B, you do have to get on a road most times...but you do take precautions.
For swimming...there are POOLS. Nice, clean (mostly), non-lethal, lifeguarded POOLS. Why risk it swimming in a stinky, dieselly, microbe/lizard/snake infested lake?

DizMom11
07-25-2008, 06:03 PM
Thank you all! It is obvious that is unsafe to swim in the lake. Yes the pools are much nicer, but being in Bay lake, tubing while having such fantastic views was wonderful. It felt like we had the lake to ourselves. (now I know why) I was unfamiliar with the dangers until now, and believe that Sammy Duvall should have known better than to encourage my children to swim in Bay Lake if it was unsafe. I hope they read this and change their practices. I will also be contacting them directly! I hope the Podacasts can do a review of Sammy Duval's in the future. Thanks:thumbsup2

disneyholic family
07-26-2008, 02:38 AM
Thank you all! It is obvious that is unsafe to swim in the lake. Yes the pools are much nicer, but being in Bay lake, tubing while having such fantastic views was wonderful. It felt like we had the lake to ourselves. (now I know why) I was unfamiliar with the dangers until now, and believe that Sammy Duvall should have known better than to encourage my children to swim in Bay Lake if it was unsafe. I hope they read this and change their practices. I will also be contacting them directly! I hope the Podacasts can do a review of Sammy Duval's in the future. Thanks:thumbsup2

i've wondered about this - i haven't done any of the parasailing/tubing etc because i thought the water wasn't safe.....but how does disney permit them to operate if it's unsafe?
so i assumed it must actually be safe, but since i tend to worry about everything anyway, i've passed on these activities over the years...
but i'm still wondering whether it's safe or not out in deeper water...

also, now that i think about it.....when you're out boating in those mice boats, you get sprayed with tons of water.....we always are soaked by the time we get back in......is that dangerous?

soupy11
07-26-2008, 10:04 AM
also, now that i think about it.....when you're out boating in those mice boats, you get sprayed with tons of water.....we always are soaked by the time we get back in......is that dangerous?


Considering the odds, I would say you are 100% safe. Or at least 99.99999999%. You probably have a better chance of scraping your leg on the boat and contracting a flesh eating virus. But then again, you could do that on the monorail.

soupy11
07-26-2008, 10:11 AM
I don't usually mind snakes, but aggressive, poisonous water snakes are something I'd try to avoid.
I don't usually mind lizards, but really big, sharp-toothed hungry lizards that could eat me are another story.
I don't mind catching a cold, but brain-eating amoebas are a different beast altogether (I don't think I'd want EEE or West Nile, either, so I wear DEET around here).
You take precautions. With driving, not so many options available...to get from point A to point B, you do have to get on a road most times...but you do take precautions.
For swimming...there are POOLS. Nice, clean (mostly), non-lethal, lifeguarded POOLS. Why risk it swimming in a stinky, dieselly, microbe/lizard/snake infested lake?


Actually there are cases of this amoeba in pools.

So stay out of the spray pads, and fountains, and other sources of standing water.

Guys, this is really a non issue. If there was a serious and potential threat, ie. the water temp was high enough, testing shows a possibility, etc. then I think Disney would close the water ways. There are way more instances of contracting Streptococcus pyogenes (Flesh eating bacteria) and you don't even have to swim to get that.

But if it makes you feel safer to stay out of the water then by all means, the info has been posted and we can make informed choices. But to start fearing tube rides, splash pads, etc is really a bit of an over reaction.

catycatcat4
07-26-2008, 10:36 AM
Yeah, in this case I think that's a safe bet, based on sheer unpleasantness of the water - not due to some one in a million chance at a brain eating critter or a man-eating alligator!

i hate swimming in lakes ive gone tubing a million timse but very rarely your in the wter during that unless you fall off.

ericafny
07-26-2008, 05:00 PM
Actually there are cases of this amoeba in pools.

So stay out of the spray pads, and fountains, and other sources of standing water.

Guys, this is really a non issue. If there was a serious and potential threat, ie. the water temp was high enough, testing shows a possibility, etc. then I think Disney would close the water ways. There are way more instances of contracting Streptococcus pyogenes (Flesh eating bacteria) and you don't even have to swim to get that.

But if it makes you feel safer to stay out of the water then by all means, the info has been posted and we can make informed choices. But to start fearing tube rides, splash pads, etc is really a bit of an over reaction.

I'm really curious - what makes you an expert on this? How do you know this is a 'non-issue'. It seems as if you live in Canada, so how would you know about the lakes in Florida? If you are some sort of marine biologist or scientist then I can understand you knowing more than the average person on this subject...

safetymom
07-26-2008, 05:08 PM
I wouldn't call it a non issue. Several people died in the Orlando area last year from this. Yes no one died at Disney. All Pete and others here are doing are warning of the danger. If people decide to take the risk then it falls on them if something happens.

sandyh67
07-27-2008, 11:11 AM
All I have to say is eeewwwwww:scared1:
After listening to the podcast I had to go and google it
We plan to move to florida in about 2-5 years I have been admiring a house online that is on a small lake and has a dock- ok, yuk.
Not discouraging me from moving though- not one bit.

soupy11
07-27-2008, 11:26 AM
I'm really curious - what makes you an expert on this? How do you know this is a 'non-issue'. It seems as if you live in Canada, so how would you know about the lakes in Florida? If you are some sort of marine biologist or scientist then I can understand you knowing more than the average person on this subject...

Yes, biology is my field, mostly fresh water stuff, and we do get fresh water amoebas up north here! I also don't live in China but I know they eat rice! :) Knowledge can be had from a distance....

Sorry, when I say non-issue, I just meant that there are way more vicious bugs out there that are more of a threat than this....Like I said in my post, its good to have this info out but I just don't think people should put that much attention on it.....at least to the point where it causes stress....for example, do you know that they find this amoeba in drinking water supplies? It is rare that the amoeba latches on to a human as it is not a part of the natural cycle of it's life.

All in all, I am just putting some counterpoints to the issue to allay some fears as it really isn't something that should impact your stay....watch out for flesh eating bacteria though as it is 200 times more likely to impact your visit.....on average 1200 cases per year of flesh eating bacteria versus 121 cases of these amoebas (Since 1937!) To directly compare - 84,000 versus 121. Which bug would you put your dough on?

I love Pete and think he is a great broadcaster and a really interesting guy so please don't think I am being a jerk! I just feel a bit differently on this issue then he does. Would I swim in these lakes? Probably. Would I recommend others do the same? No way. It's all about comfort level.

newtodis
07-27-2008, 11:53 AM
I was telling DH about this in last night and he goes...

"I used to fish with the gators when I lived in Flordia" I left it at that...DS8 who is a huge animal planet fan lectured on wild animals and I ended it thinking about daring him to swim in Bay Lake next time we are down there. :confused3

No worries the ameobas would starv to death if they lived off brain tissue! :lmao:

:lmao: :rotfl2:

I'm pretty much a lurker here on this board but was intrigued by this thread. This post made me wake up my DS4 from napping! He wanted to know what was so funny!

We just moved from MI to SC and I've been reading some amazing things about what "might" be in the water. The house we're renting right now has a lagoon in our back yard and across the street. On the "main" road into the subdivision (aka plantation here), there's a large lagoon. We've seen huge alligators in each of these places. One of the people who lived on our street before we moved in had the mentality that if she fed the gators, they'd leave her alone because they were full. Are you kidding me????:scared1: Thank goodness she's not here-we'd have some problems. The funny thing is that people let their kids into these lagoons to swim! :scared1: Seriously, you didn't see Jeff (DS4 has named the gator [he doesn't really realize that there's more than one yet] Jeff) was just in there???

There is no way in anyplace that I would get into a freakin lake here!

Another "legend" (and good reason to stay out of the lakes) is this:http://lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/monkeywire/2005-May/000757.html

As for Disney, I won't be going into any areas that look even remotely unsafe for me or anyone in our group. Yes I'm a little parinoid but I'm ok with that. If we all come home safely, I'm good with being a little parinoid.

People - if you have common sense, please use it! My DS4 knows enough about the ways of the World to tell you that you're making a bad choice!

dmccarty
07-27-2008, 12:24 PM
Sorry I had a typeo on 9 vs 19. Nor should someone take that I'm talking down to someone. I'm not. But the risk of this bug killing some one is pretty close to zero. More people are killed in FLA every year from lightning. My cutting down dead trees is far more dangerous and risking than catching this bug.

I agree that people should know the risk but the bigger risk is swimming not the bug that one might catch from swimming. Far more people die of drowning than are killed by this bug. At least three people have already drowned this season in the lake near my house.

Later,
Dan

catycatcat4
07-27-2008, 12:30 PM
Thinking about it yall are flipping out way to much.

Its not like many people swim in lakes they are just plain gross all that icky mud

But you have a bigger chance of having a car wrek next time you leave your house. or a car slamming into your house well your on the disboards

Nothing on the planet is safe.

DisneyKevin
07-27-2008, 01:00 PM
But the risk of this bug killing some one is pretty close to zero.

I'm not trying to nit pick here but 4 kids died LAST YEAR from this.

More people are killed in FLA every year from lightning. My cutting down dead trees is far more dangerous and risking than catching this bug.

Our main goal is to help people coming to Disney have a happy and safe vacation. We have warned folks about the dangers of lightning and thunderstorms. They can be deadly and with the proper precautions....you will be much safe.

That is all we are doing...offering the proper precautions.

I'm not sure about actual statistics, but I'm guessing that very few Disney guests are cutting down dead trees, so I dont thing we need to offer any precautions, but I am betting that precautions are taken prior to your tree cutting.

I agree that people should know the risk but the bigger risk is swimming not the bug that one might catch from swimming. Far more people die of drowning than are killed by this bug. At least three people have already drowned this season in the lake near my house.

People all over the world know that there is a possibility of drowning while swimming. Drowning accidents happen world wide. We dont offer warnings about drowning for that reason.

Lightning is dangerous anywhere in the world, but with 1000's of lighning strikes PER HOUR during a rough Florida thunderstorm, it is especially dangerous to people unaware of that fact. This is our reason for letting folks know that the threat is there. Are we suggesting that everyone in Disney will be struck by lightning....obviously not....but the possibility exists and being armed with information allows you to make an educated choice.

I've lived in Florida since 1994 and live between two fairly large central Florida lakes. Even on the very hottest days, you can drive by either of these lakes and there is not one single person swimming. You might see jet skiers or wake boarders, but no swimmers.

On the off chance that you do see someone in the lake, it is invariably a tourist who assumes that "like the lakes back home" these are safe for swimming. All it usually takes is someone to point out that there might be alligators in the lake to get them back on dry land.

In addition, both lakes have posted no swimming signs.

As for the statistics on these fresh water amoebas....there were 4 children who died last year from swimming in a lake containing amoebas. As I dont have a number to offer of people who swam in FL lakes last year, I have no way offering statistical analysis or percentage of occurence, but four is too high a number if it could be prevented.

I guess I dont see a reason to make a comparison to something even deadlier in order to understand that there is a risk involved in swimming in FL lakes.

Might more people die from something else....yes....but if you know that there is a risk....and the people that own the property have posted signs asking you not to do it....why anyone would continue to do it is beyond me, especially with the number of options available.

And yes....I understand that you have a greater chance of drowning at Blizzard Beach than catching amoebas in Bay Lake, but we've already talked about that.

alebisi
07-27-2008, 01:19 PM
I'm not trying to nit pick here but 4 kids died LAST YEAR from this.



Our main goal is to help people coming to Disney have a happy and safe vacation. We have warned folks about the dangers of lightning and thunderstorms. They can be deadly and with the proper precautions....you will be much safe.

That is all we are doing...offering the proper precautions.

I'm not sure about actual statistics, but I'm guessing that very few Disney guests are cutting down dead trees, so I dont thing we need to offer any precautions, but I am betting that precautions are taken prior to your tree cutting.



People all over the world know that there is a possibility of drowning while swimming. Drowning accidents happen world wide. We dont offer warnings about drowning for that reason.

Lightning is dangerous anywhere in the world, but with 1000's of lighning strikes PER HOUR during a rough Florida thunderstorm, it is especially dangerous to people unaware of that fact. This is our reason for letting folks know that the threat is there. Are we suggesting that everyone in Disney will be struck by lightning....obviously not....but the possibility exists and being armed with information allows you to make an educated choice.

I've lived in Florida since 1994 and live between two fairly large central Florida lakes. Even on the very hottest days, you can drive by either of these lakes and there is not one single person swimming. You might see jet skiers or wake boarders, but no swimmers.

On the off chance that you do see someone in the lake, it is invariably a tourist who assumes that "like the lakes back home" these are safe for swimming. All it usually takes is someone to point out that there might be alligators in the lake to get them back on dry land.

In addition, both lakes have posted no swimming signs.

As for the statistics on these fresh water amoebas....there were 4 children who died last year from swimming in a lake containing amoebas. As I dont have a number to offer of people who swam in FL lakes last year, I have no way offering statistical analysis or percentage of occurence, but four is too high a number if it could be prevented.

I guess I dont see a reason to make a comparison to something even deadlier in order to understand that there is a risk involved in swimming in FL lakes.

Might more people die from something else....yes....but if you know that there is a risk....and the people that own the property have posted signs asking you not to do it....why anyone would continue to do it is beyond me, especially with the number of options available.

And yes....I understand that you have a greater chance of drowning at Blizzard Beach than catching amoebas in Bay Lake, but we've already talked about that.

Kevin, I just wanted to thank guys for warning us. I come from another country and even if I've been to WDW more that 5 times I didn't know this. I've never swam on the lakes because the signs told not to, but I didn't know why. Now I know and I wanted to thank you, I am warning everyone I know that might be going to Disney because you never know. And as another people mentioned why going to the danger if we can swim in the pools of the Hotel. I just wanted to thank you guys, maybe someone on the USA may know this, but we don't so thanks for the info and for taking care of us. That means you love us :goodvibes

soupy11
07-27-2008, 01:25 PM
I'm not trying to nit pick here but 4 kids died LAST YEAR from this.



Our main goal is to help people coming to Disney have a happy and safe vacation. We have warned folks about the dangers of lightning and thunderstorms. They can be deadly and with the proper precautions....you will be much safe.

That is all we are doing...offering the proper precautions.

I'm not sure about actual statistics, but I'm guessing that very few Disney guests are cutting down dead trees, so I dont thing we need to offer any precautions, but I am betting that precautions are taken prior to your tree cutting.



People all over the world know that there is a possibility of drowning while swimming. Drowning accidents happen world wide. We dont offer warnings about drowning for that reason.

Lightning is dangerous anywhere in the world, but with 1000's of lighning strikes PER HOUR during a rough Florida thunderstorm, it is especially dangerous to people unaware of that fact. This is our reason for letting folks know that the threat is there. Are we suggesting that everyone in Disney will be struck by lightning....obviously not....but the possibility exists and being armed with information allows you to make an educated choice.

I've lived in Florida since 1994 and live between two fairly large central Florida lakes. Even on the very hottest days, you can drive by either of these lakes and there is not one single person swimming. You might see jet skiers or wake boarders, but no swimmers.

On the off chance that you do see someone in the lake, it is invariably a tourist who assumes that "like the lakes back home" these are safe for swimming. All it usually takes is someone to point out that there might be alligators in the lake to get them back on dry land.

In addition, both lakes have posted no swimming signs.

As for the statistics on these fresh water amoebas....there were 4 children who died last year from swimming in a lake containing amoebas. As I dont have a number to offer of people who swam in FL lakes last year, I have no way offering statistical analysis or percentage of occurence, but four is too high a number if it could be prevented.

I guess I dont see a reason to make a comparison to something even deadlier in order to understand that there is a risk involved in swimming in FL lakes.

Might more people die from something else....yes....but if you know that there is a risk....and the people that own the property have posted signs asking you not to do it....why anyone would continue to do it is beyond me, especially with the number of options available.

And yes....I understand that you have a greater chance of drowning at Blizzard Beach than catching amoebas in Bay Lake, but we've already talked about that.

I think everyone understands that Kevin, but isn't it important to have a bit of balance? Seriously, 121 people have died from this since 1937. That is such a small figure in "cause of death" statistics that it is almost not worth a mention. 6 people died last year, but according to the CDC this was an anomaly and zero have died this year so far.


It is just putting things in perspective. Are you noticing people actually swimming in the Disney lakes? A few waders, sure, but actual swimmers?


I would just say, "there's Gators and snakes out there, don't swim." That will curtail 99% of would be bathers. No need to panic people with a bug that is literally a one in a billion shot. Not saying your trying to panic people, but when things get put out there, they take on a life of their own.

Anyways, my nerdiness and love of bacteria and bugs is showing...I feel a bit protective! LOL

PS. LOVED YOUR REVIEW OF CRT. HOLY CRAP THAT MADE MY LAST HALF OF MY RUN DIFFICULT TO SAY THE LEAST!!!!!!!!!!!Its hard to run double over in laughter......

MenashaCorp
07-27-2008, 02:35 PM
As one responsible for people's health, I must err on the side of being "protective" of people.

From the Florida dept of health:

Prior to 2008, primary amebic meningoencephalitis was not a reportable disease in
Florida. However, 30 cases have been documented from 1962 through 2007. Of the
30 cases, 19 were from Central Florida, (3 in Orange County in 2007); the other cases
were from the following counties: Baker, Brevard, Broward, Citrus, Lee, Miami-Dade,
Orange, Pasco, Pinellas, Polk, Putnam, Seminole and 3 unknown counties. All cases
died from the disease.
Editorial Note:
Recreational water users should assume that there is always a low level of risk
associated with entering all warm fresh water in southern tier states. Because the
location and number of ameba in the water can vary a lot over time, posting signs is
unlikely to be an effective way to prevent infections. In addition, posting signs on only
some fresh water bodies might create a misconception that bodies of water that are not
posted are Naegleria-free.

Full document, including CDC links with legitimate stats and info linked here:

http://www.doh.state.fl.us/Environment/community/foodsurveillance/PAM-Naegleria_fowleri_summary.pdf


As Kevin said, even for something extremely rare, one death is too many if preventable, which this is.

Prevention requires awareness. There is such a thing as healthy paranoia.
What's the harm? The horror of having to wear noseplugs? Swimming where risk is lower?

Not meant as a flame; these boards are meant to be fun (particularly this forum). I just don't get what is gained from downplaying the DIS's attempts to be helpful and informative.

LilGMom
07-27-2008, 03:13 PM
"30 cases have been documented from 1962 through 2007" I have also read (of course now I can't find the site) that it is very possible that many cases do not go reported as the brain eating ameoba so the actual deaths from it could be much higher.

I believe in erring on the side of caution to a certain degree on everything. I might like to ride on a motorcycle without a helment because the helment can be very hot (especially in the FL sun) and I like the wind in my hair, but I want my noggin protected should it come into contact with the ground.

People should do as the signs say and not get into the lakes, plain and simple.

soupy11
07-27-2008, 03:46 PM
As one responsible for people's health, I must err on the side of being "protective" of people.


Not meant as a flame; these boards are meant to be fun (particularly this forum). I just don't get what is gained from downplaying the DIS's attempts to be helpful and informative.

I agree with you on the whole fun aspect of the boards..and I am finding the thread enjoyable and informative at the same time. I am not downplaying the risk at all, I am simply showing how rare and non-threatening it is when looked at as a statistic. I guess I get a bit worked up at times, but I certainly respect the intent of the Dis crew. :thumbsup2 They do an awesome service for travellers and are highly respectable.

GinnyFavers
07-28-2008, 12:22 PM
It's perfectly safe to jump off a boat in the middle of a Florida fresh water lake and float and swim around gently. It's perfectly safe to wade up to your neck if you don't have open cuts, and wash your hands with soap and hot water before you eat or touch your eyes or inside your nose or mouth.

A total ban on things that are only dangerous in part or in particular circumstances assumes that people can't be responsible for deciding for themselves what's right and wrong for them.

Frankly, I think the new culture wars in this country aren't between liberals and conservatives anymore, it's a clash between people who want a new rule about everything and people who are really sick of it.

I'm probably pretty far on the sick of it side.

safetymom
07-28-2008, 01:05 PM
If you don't mind the snakes and gators I guess you are safe. :)

MenashaCorp
07-28-2008, 01:15 PM
A total ban on things that are only dangerous in part or in particular circumstances assumes that people can't be responsible for deciding for themselves what's right and wrong for them.

Frankly, I think the new culture wars in this country aren't between liberals and conservatives anymore, it's a clash between people who want a new rule about everything and people who are really sick of it.

I'm probably pretty far on the sick of it side.

I agree. I'm for personal accountability; inform people of risk, then let them deal with the consequences if ignored. Making more laws is silly.

popcorn::

tlbwriter
07-28-2008, 04:01 PM
Thinking about it yall are flipping out way to much.

Its not like many people swim in lakes they are just plain gross all that icky mud

But you have a bigger chance of having a car wrek next time you leave your house. or a car slamming into your house well your on the disboards

Nothing on the planet is safe.


Yes, but I minimize risks when I can. I wear my seatbelt and I picked out a car with good safety ratings. Those are easy to do. It's also easy to choose not to swim in a lake. So why not? Why is it "flipping out" to make an informed decision and decide that the benefit is not worth the risk?

DisneyKevin
07-28-2008, 04:51 PM
It's perfectly safe to jump off a boat in the middle of a Florida fresh water lake and float and swim around gently. It's perfectly safe to wade up to your neck if you don't have open cuts, and wash your hands with soap and hot water before you eat or touch your eyes or inside your nose or mouth.

A total ban on things that are only dangerous in part or in particular circumstances assumes that people can't be responsible for deciding for themselves what's right and wrong for them.

Frankly, I think the new culture wars in this country aren't between liberals and conservatives anymore, it's a clash between people who want a new rule about everything and people who are really sick of it.

I'm probably pretty far on the sick of it side.

Please understand that no one here is making rules or suggesting that you cant swim in any Florida lake any more than we are making rules that you cant eat at Cinderella's Royal Table or O'hana.

We are simply providing information that people may or may not know and giving opinions, which is what we do....

Should you feel that all of this is an acceptable risk and wish to swim in Bay Lake or the Seven Seas Lagoon (or any other body of fresh water in FL), far it be it from me or anyone on the Podcast to stop you. Disney has posted signage suggesting that it's not allowed and, as the owners of the property, they have the right to do that, but they will probably not stop you.

We feel that we have given you the information as we know it....it's been discussed...so you are free to make any decision that you feel is best for you.

Cool-Beans
07-28-2008, 05:06 PM
It's perfectly safe to jump off a boat in the middle of a Florida fresh water lake and float and swim around gently. It's perfectly safe to wade up to your neck if you don't have open cuts, and wash your hands with soap and hot water before you eat or touch your eyes or inside your nose or mouth.

A total ban on things that are only dangerous in part or in particular circumstances assumes that people can't be responsible for deciding for themselves what's right and wrong for them.

Frankly, I think the new culture wars in this country aren't between liberals and conservatives anymore, it's a clash between people who want a new rule about everything and people who are really sick of it.

I'm probably pretty far on the sick of it side.Oh, for Pete's sake. It isn't like the podcast crew is DEMANDING that nobody ever wade and patrolling the beaches to shoot the offenders. :faint:

They are simply pointing out that there are certain dangers associated with it. If you want to ignore the dangers (small as they may be), you can. The podcasters give their advice and opinions. You're free to pick and choose which parts you want to use/follow.

If, on the other hand, you a person like me who just never thought about the Alligator Issue, you might be grateful when someone reminds you of it.

I was really glad that someone told me to assume that where there was water, there could be alligators. I knew Florida had them. I knew Disney was in Florida. But I never thought about it on vacation.

I don't want to to wade and take the small risk. I'm sure there are others who don't either.

I think it was worth mentioning and that probably more than one doofus like me appreciated the information.

backinoz
07-28-2008, 06:29 PM
Please understand that no one here is making rules or suggesting that you cant swim in any Florida lake any more than we are making rules that you cant eat at Cinderella's Royal Table or O'hana.

We are simply providing information that people may or may not know and giving opinions, which is what we do....

I do appreciate the info about swimming in the lake (as we also come from o/seas and wouldn't have known otherwise), but Kevin... please, please tell me that a meal at CRT won't be life threatening!!! :eek: I can just imagine the conversation with my DDs:

"Sorry girls, we won't be having dinner at the castle. In got a bad review on the podcast - we eat there at our own risk, it could be lethal".

DisneyKevin
07-28-2008, 09:41 PM
patrolling the beaches to shoot the offenders.


are we allowed to do that?:woohoo:

Minnie Lor
07-28-2008, 10:03 PM
are we allowed to do that?:woohoo:

Go for it, expecially if you recognize them as over zealous DISers. :lmao:

timmac
07-29-2008, 10:42 AM
thanks for posting...

that's truly disgusting.......why would i want to compete in a triathlon that could make me sick?

do noseclips prevent you from catching the amoebas?

I think this topic has come up in conversation before, not sure if it was on the podcast, or another source, but my understanding was that the amoeba in question was really something that lived in the sediments at the bottom of the lake; thus it's warm conditions and shallow water areas where it is likely to get stirred up. Things like water skiing and the like take place in much deeper waters where this isn't really an issue; ditto for triathlon swimming. But yes, the nose clips would clearly reduce the likelihood of getting water up the nose.

I'm offering this without citing a source, other than memory, of course, so take it for what it's worth.