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AuburnJen92
07-20-2008, 05:35 PM
This is not going to stop me from going, but I about spit coke all over the computer screen and the phone when I was talking to the ressie line and they told me that not only did they ONLY have JUST premium sites available for next July (I know, I know, they aren't all available yet), but that they are $98 freaking dollars a night! Come on! I don't need their stinkin cable! I was about to tell them that my MH was going to dry camp in the 2000 loop. They had better have some darn tootin good AAA discounts soon!

ntsammy5
07-20-2008, 05:42 PM
You can get a value room for that. I guess Disney is trying to push the price envelope as far as they can.

LarryJ
07-20-2008, 05:50 PM
This is not going to stop me from going, but I about spit coke all over the computer screen and the phone when I was talking to the ressie line and they told me that not only did they ONLY have JUST premium sites available for next July (I know, I know, they aren't all available yet), but that they are $98 freaking dollars a night! Come on! I don't need their stinkin cable! I was about to tell them that my MH was going to dry camp in the 2000 loop. They had better have some darn tootin good AAA discounts soon!

I paid close to $100 during peak/holiday season back in 2007 for just a full hook up. That included taxes and $5/day pet fee.

This Oct/Nov with the AAA discount we're down to around $38 before taxes and doggie fee.

Larry

RNmomnFL
07-20-2008, 06:12 PM
That's what it's costing us for April, 2009 nightly...$98. Yikes. Hoping when the actual rates come out in Aug. it's better...also had to do a premium site versus preferred. Don't expect any AP discount or FL resident discount to be applicable due to that time of the year (spring/Easter).
I'm holding off until the Aug. rate release to book our week in June '09. Plus, I prefer to reserve via the internet which can't be done yet. Wonder if I should just bite the bullet and do it now as so many are having trouble getting accomodations (full 14 months out per other threads?)

Gatordad
07-20-2008, 06:18 PM
I got two words for disney..................

RNmomnFL
07-20-2008, 06:59 PM
racking brain (dangerous I know) but I decided the two words must be...bite me!?

AuburnJen92
07-20-2008, 07:03 PM
racking brain (dangerous I know) but I decided the two words must be...bite me!?

you're close...

I wanted to get my foot in the door so to speak because of the renovations and such, but man, l might just have to go to a state park or something else if I can't find a discount of some kind...

I was kvetching about this year's rates and got close to $300 off our stay from AAA when their discount kicked in, but geesh, those rates are what they are charging for the holiday season this year! I just think it is getting out of hand. They have paid for FW over and over again so many times you can't count that high...I guess they want to make their renovation money back in one year...:confused:

RNmomnFL
07-20-2008, 07:20 PM
The gal on the reservation line did say that the $98 nightly rate could only go down after they announced the official rate in Aug. I almost responded with a timely "well, duh" but I just left it alone. I think I'll call tomorrow and get my June dates, for like you I want to get my foot in the door.

AuburnJen92
07-20-2008, 07:24 PM
The gal on the reservation line did say that the $98 nightly rate could only go down after they announced the official rate in Aug. I almost responded with a timely "well, duh" but I just left it alone. I think I'll call tomorrow and get my June dates, for like you I want to get my foot in the door.

I have a hard time believing that honestly, however, if they want to keep those rates, the 4th of July '09 GG is going elsewhere.

BigDaddyRog
07-20-2008, 08:04 PM
I got two words for disney..................

Thank you??

AuburnJen92
07-20-2008, 08:23 PM
I paid close to $100 during peak/holiday season back in 2007 for just a full hook up. That included taxes and $5/day pet fee.

This Oct/Nov with the AAA discount we're down to around $38 before taxes and doggie fee.

Larry

Yes, I understand paying that during the holiday season, but I just stayed in FW for the 4th and paid close to $40 cheaper per night. Cable just isn't worth that.

Donna
07-20-2008, 08:40 PM
Wow, at this rate, it will be more economical to use my DVC points to stay there instead of cash. Disney needs a good kick in the butt and for people to cancel. they need to experience hard times before they're going to do anything. I can get a value with an AP rate and fly cheaper than staying at the fort and paying the gas to get there. i am wondering if they're going to increase pass prices. did you see universal's 7 day pass for $89? any nice campgrounds around universal?

AuburnJen92
07-20-2008, 09:59 PM
did you see universal's 7 day pass for $89? any nice campgrounds around universal?

It would be really worth it if I could stand universal for more than one day...:confused3

Gatordad
07-20-2008, 10:01 PM
Thank you??

close.

Born 2 Fish
07-21-2008, 05:43 AM
People can think what they will about the way M. Eisner ran Disney, and I sure don't agree with some of the things he did. But he spent his duration at Disney (for the most part) building Disney up to where it is today. Granted, he did stick it to us on the $$. But it shore-nuff looks to me like B. Iger to trying take Disney apart very hard and quickly.And I'm talk'n everything Disney, not just the Fort. Seems he can't take things away from us fast enough or raise the $$ high enough.
I really see NO logic in his madness an methods.

MHOOBY

terri01p
07-21-2008, 06:04 AM
I had to pay a deposit of 101.something for the end of April 2009, go figure :rolleyes: And it says on my res. that the price may go up...this was for a prefered site not premium, and it was not during any type of holiday. :mad:

Not to mention 5.00 extra a day for the dog...how greedy is that really.

This was a res. for three people, that is just plain nuts. :rolleyes2

AuburnJen92
07-21-2008, 07:38 AM
I know what you mean. For the first time in my son's life, they put him as an adult...now we go several times a year...he is in their system everywhere as a child. They tacked on 2 extra dollars a day for him, which I pitched a fit about. I actually said to the guy, "Unless you know how a 4 year old can age 14 years in one calendar year, you had better take that off!" He, of course, apologized, but still, I had to fork over 110 dollars for the deposit. I guess I am going to go and bend the manager of FW's ear some more when I am there during the LDGG.

stky6
07-21-2008, 07:42 AM
You all need to do a protest convoy up to Kellys Island for a week, $37.00 a night full hookup and you can go cartin' around the whole island :banana: great beach (no sharks :rotfl: ) and some awsome fishing. Take the Jet Express over to Put in Bay for the block long bar.

terri01p
07-21-2008, 07:52 AM
I personally think that the campground price should be for a family of lets say 6 regardless of age, charging extra for an extra adult is nuts in my book, people may say it's just two dollars but if you want to stay two or three weeks it really adds up :chat:

Gatordad
07-21-2008, 08:28 AM
They charge more if you have kids..... for $111 that's not all inclusive.

I have 2 more words for disney.

Tent Camping Mom
07-21-2008, 11:35 AM
I'll give two words too...THAT STINKS!

And their computer system stinks too. It doesn't surprise me that they aged your son 14 years. About five years ago we took DS's friend with us to WDW and they added her to our family. Until recently, every time I called, they always tried to put her on the ressie. The strange thing about it is they still had her listed as 7 years old and DS 12. At the time we all went, they were both 7. I've asked them many times if they can remove her because she was just a guest once. They keep saying "sorry, we can't do that." Yes, they can do it....they just choose not too. Finally, last year, they either removed her or don't even ask. I think it had to do with the fact after so many calls, I made my voice a little shaky with a sniffle or two and said, "I'm sorry, when I hear her name, it makes me so sad because she's no longer with us. Is there anyway you can remove her from your system? This happens every time I call." The rep apologized and said, "No problem, I'll take care of it." Sad that I had to resort to such a lame act...but it's the truth, they moved from our neighborhood about 2 years ago, if the rep interpreted it in any other way, that's his problem.:laughing: It worked, I've called 3 times since then and no mention of her name.

des1954
07-21-2008, 12:00 PM
What really gets me is this.... people who set up SKADS of decorations on their sites use tons more electricity than I do when I put up a psaltry string of lights on my awning. (Yes, I am thinking Disney Donna & others - you've all seen them). I also know some winter people who let water run thru their black tank continuously their whole stay just so they don't have to dump once or twice a week. Yet...they pay the same $$ for a site as I do. Where's the sanity in that??

loveDmouse
07-21-2008, 12:48 PM
You all need to do a protest convoy up to Kellys Island for a week, $37.00 a night full hookup and you can go cartin' around the whole island :banana: great beach (no sharks :rotfl: ) and some awsome fishing. Take the Jet Express over to Put in Bay for the block long bar.


Where is that located????? Sounds nice. Do they have a website?
Thanks.


*Never mind I found it.*

mrsscooter
07-21-2008, 02:30 PM
I keep telling my hubby we should have went last year before everything went through the roof.....I just called for Oct09 ressies, and they are booked for premium sites.......but I was told they are 110.0 a night.......at a campground......for a cement pad. I know its Disney, and I know its a great place, we are still going dont get me wrong.......LOL........but its hard to pay that much a night to CAMP when its the same price around here for the whole WEEKEND!!! Ok I am done. Thank you. (for that price, they should at least supply a big pitcher of Kungoloosh....)

AuburnJen92
07-21-2008, 02:33 PM
I keep telling my hubby we should have went last year before everything went through the roof.....I just called for Oct09 ressies, and they are booked for premium sites.......but I was told they are 110.0 a night.......at a campground......for a cement pad. I know its Disney, and I know its a great place, we are still going dont get me wrong.......LOL........but its hard to pay that much a night to CAMP when its the same price around here for the whole WEEKEND!!! Ok I am done. Thank you. (for that price, they should at least supply a big pitcher of Kungoloosh....)

Put a fork in me, I'm done at that price...

loveDmouse
07-21-2008, 02:48 PM
For those prices you sure shouldn't have to pay an additional fee for your dog. Nor should you have to pay for internet. :headache: :headache: :headache:

Vijoge
07-21-2008, 02:54 PM
You all need to do a protest convoy up to Kellys Island for a week, $37.00 a night full hookup and you can go cartin' around the whole island :banana: great beach (no sharks :rotfl: ) and some awsome fishing. Take the Jet Express over to Put in Bay for the block long bar.


This sounds like fun. I'm going to check it out.

ntsammy5
07-21-2008, 03:00 PM
I think Disney may have to revise their price structure - there is no indication that the economy is adversely affecting them yet - all the announcements about cutting fireworks etc show Disney is concerned. Add to that the cost of transportation is going through the roof - if we bought airfare for November now rather than 2 months ago it would have doubled - airlines are cutting flights into Orlando a LOT. The reduced choices will also have an adverse affect. People won't have as much to spend even if they do make it to the Mouse!

I don't think Disney can continue to raise prices, reduce services and expect to have people continue to come to the parks in droves. Somethings got to give.

Gatordad
07-21-2008, 03:05 PM
I give, I give.

rapriebe
07-21-2008, 09:18 PM
We have just decided to not stay at the Fort next winter. The prices are out of sight and I can't afford to pay over $100 a night for an extended stay. We are going to do a long term stay this winter but this will be our one and only time to do it. I'm going to start checking into off-site places that offer monthly rates. Several people have mentioned ones that they have stayed at that are west of Disney and they seem real nice. If anyone has any recommendations for nice RV resorts that offer monthly stays, please let me know. Thanks.

kiteri
07-21-2008, 09:31 PM
I was complaining to my BFF that people keep abusing the campsites.

I have seen posts about possibly putting a rented trailer on a campsite to house dogs instead of paying for the kennel.

I have seen posts about reserving a site at the Fort for the 4 nights required stay to get a Disney wedding (but not actually camping).

I have seen posts about renting a campsite while staying offsite and registering the campsite for 10 people just to get them the onsite perks for all 10 people.

He says to me, "Well, Disney needs to raise the prices to not make that feasible."

I don't want the prices to go up... because I actually want to stay at the Fort!!!

But, if nothing else, the high 2009 "advertised" price may prevent these abuses.

Donna
07-21-2008, 09:33 PM
I think Disney may have to revise their price structure - there is no indication that the economy is adversely affecting them yet - all the announcements about cutting fireworks etc show Disney is concerned. Add to that the cost of transportation is going through the roof - if we bought airfare for November now rather than 2 months ago it would have doubled - airlines are cutting flights into Orlando a LOT. The reduced choices will also have an adverse affect. People won't have as much to spend even if they do make it to the Mouse!

I don't think Disney can continue to raise prices, reduce services and expect to have people continue to come to the parks in droves. Somethings got to give.


what makes me mad is, instead of making it easier for guests to visit (cut costs of rooms, don't raise pass prices), they are taking it out on the guest by offering LESS shows and amenities. Instead of finding ways to bring us there, they're finding ways to make us stay away???? it doesn't make sense, who is running this mickey mouse operation anyways? :confused3

drafthorsecrazy
07-22-2008, 09:19 AM
Let me start off by saying I love WDW and FW. Just something special about heading to Fla. and staying with the mouse during Jan and Feb. to avoid cold northern Ohio. For the last several months I have been crunching the numbers and found that I can stay at several state parks for 2 months for the same cost as staying at Disney for 2 wks. For now, I'm holding onto my ressies for Jan. & Feb. and hoping Disney will fit into our budget. If not, we will go the state park route--the plus side of this is--they are already paid in full.
Our back up Plan:
Jan. 09. One wk Myrtle Beach SP. on the way south.
Two wks. Fort Clinch SP.
Two wks. Anastasia SP
Two wks. Wekiwa SP
One wk Huntington SP (Myrtle beach area) on way home
Yea, its not Disney, but we'll get in a lot of great beaches and if the weather is cool, its still better than snow in Ohio.

DISNEY--- are you paying attention? High rates are driving many people to other choices.

Us3
07-22-2008, 10:02 AM
This really bites. We choose to stay at FW because camping is something my family really enjoys. But looking at the cost for a family of 5 to have AP's, pay for a campsite, tow to FW 3-4 times a year, meals etc....we could be traveling abroad for the same amount! :rolleyes:

As much as we enjoy Disney and FW...it may be time to start looking at other travel destinations! :guilty:

Thumper_ehhhhh
07-22-2008, 11:28 AM
YES way overpriced. We were thinking of towing down from The Great White North. Forget it now with those prices. The cost of fuel alone is hard to swallow. Wake up Disney your pushing ppl away. We might just goto Myrtle Beach instead.

Gatordad
07-22-2008, 11:50 AM
The summer Holiday GG's have all been told to prepare for mobilization. We won't get to see good people like Dean and Monica or the MillerMousketeers, but the savings will help the pocketbook.

ntsammy5
07-22-2008, 12:05 PM
We were thinking of towing down from The Great White North. Forget it now with those prices. The cost of fuel alone is hard to swallow.

Just throw that sucker on your back and carry it down! Take off your skates first though! :lmao: :lmao: :lmao:

ftwildernessguy
07-22-2008, 12:22 PM
Bobby Iger was over to the house last night and we started talking about the whole pricing at the fort deal. He let me in on a little secret. The plan is the Mouse will raise prices of campsites to an astronomical amount so even the millionaires will be going to other campgrounds. To cinch the deal, the quality of TE will continue to drop until no one will eat there (in fact, they have recently hired a management team from Chi Chi's to ensure it's demise). When there is no longer any demand, Disney will be able to safely reclaim this prime land and build more DVC resorts, which only foreign visitors will be able to purchase. This idea came about as a result of a survey Disney did - it seems WDW guests want more DVC properties, less campers who clutter up the boats to MK and take up valuable pool space, and fewer good places to eat. You see, Disney is just giving us what we want! Keep this quiet, please. It was told to me in the strictest confidence.

Minnie's Mate
07-22-2008, 12:49 PM
You can get a value room for that. I guess Disney is trying to push the price envelope as far as they can.Think about this for a minute.

At a value resort you get a room...with A/C, maid service, a shower in a tub that you can actually turn around in, and a real toilet!

For the same price at Ft. Wilderness you get...

to tow/drive your RV from your home at great expense so you can furnish your own accommodations!

Did the management at Ft. Wilderness really think this out?:confused3

Live4FW
07-22-2008, 12:58 PM
Bobby Iger was over to the house last night and we started talking about the whole pricing at the fort deal. He let me in on a little secret. The plan is the Mouse will raise prices of campsites to an astronomical amount so even the millionaires will be going to other campgrounds. To cinch the deal, the quality of TE will continue to drop until no one will eat there (in fact, they have recently hired a management team from Chi Chi's to ensure it's demise). When there is no longer any demand, Disney will be able to safely reclaim this prime land and build more DVC resorts, which only foreign visitors will be able to purchase. This idea came about as a result of a survey Disney did - it seems WDW guests want more DVC properties, less campers who clutter up the boats to MK and take up valuable pool space, and fewer good places to eat. You see, Disney is just giving us what we want! Keep this quiet, please. It was told to me in the strictest confidence.

You know...this has a ring of truth in it.

TheFlame
07-22-2008, 02:20 PM
Think about this for a minute.

At a value resort you get a room...with A/C, maid service, a shower in a tub that you can actually turn around in, and a real toilet!

For the same price at Ft. Wilderness you get...

to tow/drive your RV from your home at great expense so you can furnish your own accommodations!

Did the management at Ft. Wilderness really think this out?:confused3


But just think, at a Value(AND all other resorts/hotels but FW) you ALSO GET...

Bed Bugs(***watch Verminator's lately???***):scared1:
Other people's body fluids and such in your bed and just for good measure dirty glassware(***See Dateline NBC***):scared1: :scared1:

You also get dirty floors that will turn your socks black and hair in your shower that doesn't belong to you or your family!:scared1: :scared1: :scared1:

Carry on, and PLEASE enjoy!:thumbsup2

We will use our retarded gas guzzling camper and love EVERY minute of it!:love: :banana:

Minnie's Mate
07-22-2008, 02:37 PM
But just think, at a Value(AND all other resorts/hotels but FW) you ALSO GET...

Bed Bugs(***watch Verminator's lately???***):scared1:
Other people's body fluids and such in your bed and just for good measure dirty glassware(***See Dateline NBC***):scared1: :scared1:

You also get dirty floors that will turn your socks black and hair in your shower that doesn't belong to you or your family!:scared1: :scared1: :scared1:

Carry on, and PLEASE enjoy!:thumbsup2

We will use our retarded gas guzzling camper and love EVERY minute of it!:love: :banana:
I didn't say this was the better option, just that you pay the same amount and furnish the accommodations, the sheets, clean the room and the facilities, and the only thing that Ft. Wilderness management can say is that for an EXTRA $5/night they will let you bring your pet.

And as for the extra adult vs. child charge, my adolescent son uses more shower water than my 70 year old mom, but I had to pay extra when she went with us, but I guess I could have taken six more minor children with us without paying extra!

Oh, and something else that burnt my toast. We were put in an overflow pet loop at Memorial Day and charged the pet charge...there were no poop bags in that loop (not even poop bag stations). What was I paying $5/night for?:confused: I still had to clean up after him, but I had to furnish the plastic bags (zip-loc). One of the cast members told me I could go over to one of the pet loops and get one...I don't think so!:mad:

2goofycampers
07-22-2008, 02:41 PM
I didn't say this was the better option, just that you pay the same amount and furnish the accommodations, the sheets, clean the room and the facilities, and the only thing that Ft. Wilderness management can say is that for an EXTRA $5/night they will let you bring your pet.

And as for the extra adult vs. child charge, my adolescent son uses more shower water than my 70 year old mom, but I had to pay extra when she went with us, but I guess I could have taken six more minor children with us without paying extra!

Oh, and something else that burnt my toast. We were put in an overflow pet loop at Memorial Day and charged the pet charge...there were no poop bags in that loop (not even poop bag stations). What was I paying $5/night for?:confused: I still had to clean up after him, but I had to furnish the plastic bags (zip-loc). One of the cast members told me I could go over to one of the pet loops and get one...I don't think so!:mad:

I wish they would just make the whole C/G pet friendly, it would be alot easier for the ressie system and poop bags.

TheFlame
07-22-2008, 02:42 PM
That is why the only pets that go anywhere with me are my husband and two kids!:lmao:

Why would I want to go to all that trouble on vacation anyway?:confused3

We also compared the price of a value vs FW camping for our Jan. 08 trip and when you factor in the cost of food, camping won out by far even though the Value was cheaper. And, lets not forget the bed bugs to consider...JUST COULDN'T DO IT!!!!:laughing:

ftwildernessguy
07-22-2008, 02:44 PM
At Kungaloosh World, every camper will get a supply of poop bags and a 4L box of wine upon check in!

TheFlame
07-22-2008, 02:48 PM
At Kungaloosh World, every camper will get a supply of poop bags and a 4L box of wine upon check in!

Jim- Can I get an extra large one for the husband(poop bag that is!!!)? He could fill a weeks worth in one day....;) you know, we must think about the enviroment...all those plastic bags!:scared1:

RNmomnFL
07-22-2008, 02:54 PM
Jim- Can I get an extra large one for the husband(poop bag that is!!!)? He could fill a weeks worth in one day....;) you know, we must think about the enviroment...all those plastic bags!:scared1:

OMG ROFL! I just love this thread. Too funny!

AuburnJen92
07-22-2008, 07:09 PM
Bobby Iger was over to the house last night and we started talking about the whole pricing at the fort deal. He let me in on a little secret. The plan is the Mouse will raise prices of campsites to an astronomical amount so even the millionaires will be going to other campgrounds. To cinch the deal, the quality of TE will continue to drop until no one will eat there (in fact, they have recently hired a management team from Chi Chi's to ensure it's demise). When there is no longer any demand, Disney will be able to safely reclaim this prime land and build more DVC resorts, which only foreign visitors will be able to purchase. This idea came about as a result of a survey Disney did - it seems WDW guests want more DVC properties, less campers who clutter up the boats to MK and take up valuable pool space, and fewer good places to eat. You see, Disney is just giving us what we want! Keep this quiet, please. It was told to me in the strictest confidence.

Now you are name dropping too? Geesh!:sad2:

AuburnJen92
07-22-2008, 07:11 PM
That is why the only pets that go anywhere with me are my husband and two kids!:lmao:


Now come on Flame, you LIVE on a farm...you don't want to take the farm with you on vacation...:lmao:

bama_ed
07-23-2008, 06:45 PM
I've had to give the Mouse a little space for a while. Not being a local, we came about once a year for 7 years from northern Alabama. Back when we started, gas was cheap, the camp sites were affordable, and the kids could all buy off the kid's menus in the restaurants.

Fast forward to now where gas is $4+ a gallon, the campsites are over $100/night, the kids are all "grown-ups" <over 10> and eat like horses. It costs us nearly $375 a day to visit one park a day (5 adults) unless I take out a home mortgage to get the 10-day No Expiration tickets (no wait, my equity vanished).

The parks cut hours, cut fireworks and night shows, hell, they even quit putting out the Country Bears Jamboree Christmas show a couple years ago (that really chaps me - I love CBJ). It's a good thing I have the mp3 files of all the Disney theme park music. Then they're going to slam the doors on the Adventurer's Club so they can sell more JUNK 24x7 that a week after I get home the kids don't want anymore.

Everyone can make their own decisions but I've made mine which is to stay away from the Mouse and the Fort for a few years. This year's big family trip is to Washington DC (all the museums are free). Next year I've got some ideas that don't include Orlando. Our state park down on the coast is $25/night and I can walk to the beach and relax (only 5 hours drive not 9 to the Fort). Loved my spring mornings at the Fort; loved the campfires with Ms. Sundee; loved the HDDR and the petting farm (when it was there) and the Haunted Hayride from several years ago.

Love the Fort then but now I refuse to be used and abused. :3dglasses

Bama ED

ntsammy5
07-23-2008, 06:49 PM
This year's big family trip is to Washington DC (all the museums are free).

That's funny, we were just talking about the sme thing for next year. We will still go to Disney once though. It's just two of us now though.

RF536
07-23-2008, 08:26 PM
They must think things are really going to pick up for next July, we were at the Fort for the week before and after the 4th and except for the long weekend around the the 4th the 1900 loop was almost vacant. For most of the time it was us and maybe 4-5 other campers in the loop.

clkelley
07-23-2008, 09:08 PM
Jen may have the right idea. I've been to other "friends" gatherings with my teardrop and tabtrailers groups, and it's NOT about the campground, it's about meeting with friends, touring each other's campers, and enjoying each other's company. There are MANY wonderful campgrounds around this big ole USA.

Having said that though, I'm pretty sure that once they settle out the renovation schedule (one way or the other) and release the 2009 rates, that except for the premium sites over Christmas week, most sites will drop in price over the entire year, and more availability will show up as they know more about which sites/loops will have the work completed (or not done at all).

AuburnJen92
07-24-2008, 07:06 AM
I just talked to a friend of mine yesterday that her DD works for Disney on the college program. They are very close and tell each other EVERYTHING, so I always get good info from her. Apparently, WDW has been having all kinds of staff meetings talking about cutting full timers' hours and how they expect the parks to plummet as far as % of capacity after Labor Day. It seems that up until Labor Day, everything is mostly paid for by guests (I guess they never look at my reservation?:lmao: ). After that date, the pendulum swings completely in the opposite direction with most of the vacations being paid for with only deposits, with many being canceled every day. If they aren't seeing the writing on the wall and want to be this greedy, they are going to lose my business and at least 5 others in our area that have annual passes, go often, and 2 of them have been banking DVC points instead of going. I know it is not just us.

ntsammy5
07-24-2008, 07:46 AM
I put this on another thread but it bears repeating; things are not as rosy as some may believe in the land of the mouse:

I've posted this elsewhere.. but I think this answers the OP's question pretty resoundingly..

WDW Resort attendance which is usually at LEAST around 87% for the first three weeks of July (and sometimes in the 92-95% range.. ) ... is hovering around 65% occupancy for the first three weeks of July.

Normally certain resorts are sold out this time of year and for the past three weeks, they haven't even been using all the available buildings .. Now the sources I have who are very well placed to know these numbers do indicate that the attendance picks up a bit next week.. but still doesn't crack the 80% occupancy level.

For this time of year.. that's bad... bordering on disastrous. June & July are Disney's 'bread and butter' months to a large degree and the guests are just not there.

And when you add to that significant drop in attendance, Disney is paying almost TWICE as much in fuel costs to run all those DME buses, almost twice to run the intra-park/resort buses, almost twice to run the parking lot trams ... than they were in August of 2007.

Then.. factor in that the costs for raw ingredients for the restaurants have been on a steady climb, fed mostly by increased transportation costs; and resort laundry and other areas of the parks are facing increased energy usage costs.

Disney got slammed in 2008 with all the increased costs that are directly attributable to the price of oil.. and no way to recoup those hard costs beyond raising stroller rentals and the 'holiday' dining surcharge.

And remember that a 22% to 30% drop in resort bookings can mean a MUCH larger drop in park purchases and food bills ... in part because those who do bother to make the trip are much most price sensitive and consider carefully every expenditure; often forgoing a TS meal or a souvenir that they might have otherwise bought if their own personal budget wasn't also under many of the same strains as above.

Just something to think about... especially as we near August 1st and what is very likely to be a major ticket structure realignment.. and yes, at the very least.. probably a price increase for comparable entitlements...

To sum up - Yeah, it's affecting Disney big time.

Knox

2goofycampers
07-24-2008, 08:07 AM
I know things are costing Disney more because of fuel prices, but I can't feel sorry for them after they been sticking it to us for YEARS.

Donna
07-24-2008, 08:38 AM
I know things are costing Disney more because of fuel prices, but I can't feel sorry for them after they been sticking it to us for YEARS.

i couldn't agree more. so their profits won't be as high, join the club, no one has the spending money they once had. i can't believe they can't see that raising things and eliminating things to keep their profits way high , isn't the way to bring/keep their guests returning. They are going to lose the new guests more than anything; people won't be able to take that once-in-a-lifetime vacation. If it gets really bad, the die-hards like us will trim our trips from 4 a year to 1. Thats got to hurt over all but they've been riding a high wave for so long, this is NOTHING to them but its everything to us, the guests.

Gatordad
07-24-2008, 09:12 AM
The GG 2009 will be more of a tour, than a show.

ftwildernessguy
07-24-2008, 09:47 AM
I put this on another thread but it bears repeating; things are not as rosy as some may believe in the land of the mouse:

maybe those stats are average for the resorts, but my buddy over at OKW says on a board in their work area the occupancy rate is over 90%. He says right now they are operating on vacations made over 1 year ago when the economy was good, but are hunkering down for the end of the year when they expect things to drop off.

Donna
07-24-2008, 11:16 AM
maybe those stats are average for the resorts, but my buddy over at OKW says on a board in their work area the occupancy rate is over 90%. He says right now they are operating on vacations made over 1 year ago when the economy was good, but are hunkering down for the end of the year when they expect things to drop off.


is that cash inventory or points inventory? i don't think you can compare a dvc point inventory with the general occupancy rate of non dvc resorts. It seems like DVC is always going to have a slightly higher occ. rate since there's no immediate cash outlay with using points. well, except for getting there, but the hotel is usually the highest thing to pay for.

ntsammy5
07-24-2008, 11:20 AM
Yeah, I'm not sure where DVC fits in - Bobby don't talk to me. :lmao:


I'm not even sure if that report is accurate - I think Disney is feeling it though.

ftwildernessguy
07-24-2008, 01:58 PM
Gee, maybe we'll go back to the days when Disney appreciated repeat guests instead of taking them for granted.

Gatordad
07-24-2008, 02:06 PM
when was that? 1932?

bama_ed
07-24-2008, 06:48 PM
I don't feel a bit sorry for the bean counters at Disney. :mad:

I found a two-day admission pass from our October 2003 trip here in the desk drawer where the computer is. No park hopping, etc, just a plain ol' 2-day pass. It was $99 plus tax. Today that same ticket costs me $139 plus tax (a 40.4% increase for those of you scoring at home).

The Consumer Price Index, which is a general measure of inflation, went up 18% over the same time period. So the dweebs in the Marketing Department or the Finance Department (and trust me, working for the size company I do, I know the type of dweebs in Marketing and Finance) have been jacking up prices more than twice as fast.

I don't believe that Disney will cut any prices in tickets, rooms, or dining REALLY. Let's face it, the DDP/"Free Dining" program has been the death of quality meal experiences across the board at WDW. Now it's simply feeding the masses some bland food....

The best I can realistically hope for is smaller annual price increases (or no price increases) for tickets, rooms, and dining for the next few years to bring prices more in line.

Disney has been sticking it to us in good times little by little but when the bottom drops out a little will they follow? To ftwilderness guy/Jim's point, they had an opportunity to build (even more) loyalty to frequent guests through a variety of means and chose instead to skip that in favor of higher profits.

Actions have consequences and elephants have long memories (Roll Tide Roll)! pirate:

Bama ED

Minnie's Mate
07-25-2008, 08:31 AM
If Ft. Wilderness remains at $98 plus tax for next July 4th week I am seriously thinking of changing our plans. I was planning on spending the entire week at Ft. Wilderness as we did this year, but if the prices don't settle back down to more reasonable rates, then I will fall back on plan "B" an combine a trip to Disney with another trip I was planning for next year and take the family to Washington D.C. for a few days prior to the 4th and then swing by home to pick up the golf cart and head down to Ft. Wilderness for an extended weekend instead of the entire week. I'd rather save $50/night and put that toward a trip to the Nation's Capital and give the kids an educational experience than "waste" it at the Ft.

Michael Eisner where are you!

2goofycampers
07-26-2008, 10:26 AM
Check out these prices and increases.

http://www.allearsnet.com/tix/tixincrease.htm

Us3
07-26-2008, 10:37 AM
Check out these prices and increases.

http://www.allearsnet.com/tix/tixincrease.htm

Wow, thanks for that link Denise. That is AMAZING to look at the price increase from the first time we went until now!!!

AuburnJen92
07-26-2008, 11:50 AM
That just makes my brain hurt worse.

2goofycampers
07-26-2008, 01:23 PM
So by these prices is 1981 when they quit the paper tickets for each ride?

Gatordad
07-26-2008, 01:25 PM
That just makes my brain hurt worse.

what brain? i thought you went to Auburn and didn't need one....:lmao:

Millermouseketeers
07-26-2008, 01:40 PM
Very interesting! What a change! and we were just discussing renewing our AP's. a $100 for an AP!

AuburnJen92
07-26-2008, 05:21 PM
what brain? i thought you went to Auburn and didn't need one....:lmao:

HA HA, when you get your MBA, you can use your diploma for a handicapped parking space!

2goofycampers
07-29-2008, 03:37 PM
WE have a DISboards name for Bobby.

Born 2 Rob all goofy campers :lmao:

ftwildernessguy
07-29-2008, 03:46 PM
WE have a DISboards name for Bobby.

Born 2 Rob all goofy campers :lmao:

Now, don't be hatin'.

Gatordad
07-29-2008, 04:06 PM
HA HA, when you get your MBA, you can use your diploma for a handicapped parking space!

I'm fat, I don't need a tag.

Colson39
07-29-2008, 04:15 PM
I don't like that they up the prices, but everyone in the world ups their prices. I'll just live with it, deal with it, and if I don't like it enough, I won't go. Can't spend too much time fretting over it, I'm not going to change anything.

Gas is higher, food is higher, electricity is higher, campsites are higher, everything is higher. And it always will be, prices don't go down, they go up (for most services). The Fort is still very similar in price to most other campgrounds in Orlando. This isn't like camping at your local state park campground, you're paying for much more then just a small plot of land, realistically.

I understand that every year we have a thread talking about prices when the new prices come out(I remember the one's from the last two years), but it's not going to change. So like I said, if it bothers me enough, I won't go I just don't fret over stuff like this, maybe it's me being stupid, young, and idealistic, I have no idea...lol. I spent enough of my 20's worrying about stuff, no more ;)

That doesn't mean I don't care about those that can't make the trip, trust me, I've had to cut short plenty of trips because I couldn't afford it, and it's the worst. If this were an ideal world, I guess prices would never go up, wouldn't that be great!

g8trmom1
07-29-2008, 04:17 PM
I don't like that they up the prices, but everyone in the world ups their prices. I'll just live with it, deal with it, and if I don't like it enough, I won't go. Can't spend too much time fretting over it, I'm not going to change anything.

Gas is higher, food is higher, electricity is higher, campsites are higher, everything is higher. And it always will be, prices don't go down, they go up (for most services). The Fort is still very similar in price to most other campgrounds in Orlando. This isn't like camping at your local state park campground, you're paying for much more then just a small plot of land, realistically.

I understand that every year we have a thread talking about prices when the new prices come out(I remember the one's from the last two years), but it's not going to change. So like I said, if it bothers me enough, I won't go, but honestly, it doesn't bother me that much right now. I just don't fret over stuff like this, maybe it's me being stupid, young, and idealistic, I have no idea...lol. I spent enough of my 20's worrying about stuff, no more ;)

How often do you camp at the fort? Just wondering.

Donna
07-29-2008, 04:21 PM
How often do you camp at the fort? Just wondering.

not only how often but do you have plane or long distance driving expenses? i think alot of people add it all up and everyone is pretty much sick and tired of everything going up and up and services and amenities going down and down. If i lived in FL, i probably wouldn't be as concerned since MOST of my expense in getting to the fort is in driving. also, what type of vehicle are you using to get to the fort, what do you stay in? that affects what it costs to get there too. there are alot of factors that vary that people have to consider when vacationing there. it's not that anyone worries or loses sleep over this kind of stuff, you simply modify your vacation plans.

i was just thinking, maybe you will change your tune when the little one needs a ticket, lol. ;)

Gatordad
07-29-2008, 04:27 PM
Laughs for other reasons.

BigDaddyRog
07-29-2008, 04:30 PM
Donna is one eloquently spoken lady.

Born 2 Fish
07-29-2008, 04:33 PM
Aaawwww who cares about prices ! I'm so stink'n wealthy I could buy Disney over and over !!!
Ooopps, wait a minute,,thats not me , thats Bill Gates.



Guess I do havta worry about prices.

Colson39
07-29-2008, 04:38 PM
I probably have less money and toys than most of the people in this thread. I don't even own a car anymore. I'm not rich, I just don't worry about money. Go figure.

I have a differing opinion it seems from most people on the forum when it comes to this topic, but that's exactly what it is, my opinion. If you don't like it, I'm sorry. I think it's a waste of time to spend what little time we have on this earth worrying about stuff like this. If I can't afford something, I don't do it.

i was just thinking, maybe you will change your tune when the little one needs a ticket, lol.

I will do what I can for my child. And I will hopefully teach him that spending time worrying about money and material things will end to an endless cycle of worry. Why? Because prices don't go down, prices go up. This is how the world works, this is how it always has worked.

AuburnJen92
07-29-2008, 04:47 PM
I don't like that they up the prices, but everyone in the world ups their prices. I'll just live with it, deal with it, and if I don't like it enough, I won't go. Can't spend too much time fretting over it, I'm not going to change anything.

Gas is higher, food is higher, electricity is higher, campsites are higher, everything is higher. And it always will be, prices don't go down, they go up (for most services). The Fort is still very similar in price to most other campgrounds in Orlando. This isn't like camping at your local state park campground, you're paying for much more then just a small plot of land, realistically.

I understand that every year we have a thread talking about prices when the new prices come out(I remember the one's from the last two years), but it's not going to change. So like I said, if it bothers me enough, I won't go I just don't fret over stuff like this, maybe it's me being stupid, young, and idealistic, I have no idea...lol. I spent enough of my 20's worrying about stuff, no more ;)

That doesn't mean I don't care about those that can't make the trip, trust me, I've had to cut short plenty of trips because I couldn't afford it, and it's the worst. If this were an ideal world, I guess prices would never go up, wouldn't that be great!

For you to bark like this is ignorant. This thread was started because the Fort increased their prices 68% from this July to next July. Now, I know, as well as you that prices are increasing, however, for a price to increase, without the 15 dollars per night in taxes, 68% in a recession is absurd at best and greed at the least. For the bean counters at the Fort to think that people are going to keep reservations based on this ridiculous calculation is ludicrous. I, like you, don't have to drive as far to Disney, but many people do, and these calculations are a huge part of their budget going to Disney for a trip. The fort is NOT similar to many campgrounds in Orlando, it is more expensive than all of them. It is, up until now, worth it. I, unlike you, feel that it will change things to talk about it because we as a camping forum, do get things changed. For instance, there was a tremendous problem with the boat and long lines to the MK and the WL people always taking all the seats. This was remedied by the many letters written by people, including myself, to the management asking for two routes. Many of these letters specifically mentioned the DIS boards and the forums and threads that mentioned this problem. How do I know this? I asked. I asked managers. I talked to the manager of Fort Wilderness himself. So, for you to go and make a blanket statement about how talking on this forum will not make a difference and how things will not change. They will change if people will take the time to get the Fort management to understand that their bottom line will change. There are enough people on this board who are upset about the pricing that it will make a bottom line change. I really feel you have belittled many people and their increasing difficulty with Disney's pricing increases at 60+% a year.

Shannone1
07-29-2008, 04:48 PM
not only how often but do you have plane or long distance driving expenses? i think alot of people add it all up and everyone is pretty much sick and tired of everything going up and up and services and amenities going down and down. If i lived in FL, i probably wouldn't be as concerned since MOST of my expense in getting to the fort is in driving. also, what type of vehicle are you using to get to the fort, what do you stay in? that affects what it costs to get there too. there are alot of factors that vary that people have to consider when vacationing there. it's not that anyone worries or loses sleep over this kind of stuff, you simply modify your vacation plans.

i was just thinking, maybe you will change your tune when the little one needs a ticket, lol. ;)


I know that's true for us. If we only lived a couple of hours away it wouldn't be such a big deal. We'd have AP's and go hang out at the Fort just because we could. But coming from Michigan in a motorhome with a family of five....the cost of a WDW trip is REALLY high right now !! Especially since age 10 = adult in WDW :mad: Everything is going up....campsites, gas, ticket prices, groceries, etc. Prices are way up, but the money we are bringing in is a LOT less than it was two years ago. :sad2: It is going to cost us about $7000 for our 12 night stay in December and that is before they raised the ticket prices.

Does anyone know if once you book a trip/package your ticket prices are fixed ?? Or are they subject to change ?? :confused3

Colson39
07-29-2008, 04:50 PM
For you to bark like this is ignorant. This thread was started because the Fort increased their prices 68% from this July to next July. Now, I know, as well as you that prices are increasing, however, for a price to increase, without the 15 dollars per night in taxes, 68% in a recession is absurd at best and greed at the least. For the bean counters at the Fort to think that people are going to keep reservations based on this ridiculous calculation is ludicrous. I, like you, don't have to drive as far to Disney, but many people do, and these calculations are a huge part of their budget going to Disney for a trip. The fort is NOT similar to many campgrounds in Orlando, it is more expensive than all of them. It is, up until now, worth it. I, unlike you, feel that it will change things to talk about it because we as a camping forum, do get things changed. For instance, there was a tremendous problem with the boat and long lines to the MK and the WL people always taking all the seats. This was remedied by the many letters written by people, including myself, to the management asking for two routes. Many of these letters specifically mentioned the DIS boards and the forums and threads that mentioned this problem. How do I know this? I asked. I asked managers. I talked to the manager of Fort Wilderness himself. So, for you to go and make a blanket statement about how talking on this forum will not make a difference and how things will not change. They will change if people will take the time to get the Fort management to understand that their bottom line will change. There are enough people on this board who are upset about the pricing that it will make a bottom line change. I really feel you have belittled many people and their increasing difficulty with Disney's pricing increases at 60+% a year.

I didn't belittle anyone. Also, I don't appreciate your personal insult, I didn't insult you. I was stating my opinion, I even posted that I do feel for those that can't afford to extend trips, it happens to me as well. I never once belittled anyone, or even meant to.

I also don't think there are enough people on this board to make any change, the amount of people that visit the fort is way more than what is on this forum. We are a very small amount of who goes to the Fort.

You don't think I have problems with the increases as well? I had to already cancel one trip because of price increases, it's not like it doesn't affect me.

AuburnJen92
07-29-2008, 05:04 PM
I certainly believe you did belittle people, otherwise you wouldn't have received the responses you did, including mine. I also believe you underestimate the power of the people on this board. You might think there is a small number of people on this board that do nothing but sit here and chat, but there are many that lurk and those people speak their mind with their wallets. That will speak to Disney. Based on your original sarcastic post, I have no idea if you like the increases at all. I just found it very disappointing.

Colson39
07-29-2008, 05:08 PM
Jen, I never meant to belittle anyone. And I don't count two responses as everyone, although I personally apologize if you took it that way.

And my original post was not sarcastic at all. I really think you took my post the entirely wrong way, I'm sorry about that. Why would I "like" the increase, that would be crazy...lol. I have stated that I don't like them, I'm just like you guys on that one, sometimes I just feel like we go overboard with all the talk about what's wrong.

This is also an apology to anyone else that took it the wrong way, probably should have just stayed out of this thread. There has just been so much "this is what is wrong with the Fort" lately, I guess I was over it. My bad on that one.

g8trmom1
07-29-2008, 05:14 PM
not only how often but do you have plane or long distance driving expenses? i think alot of people add it all up and everyone is pretty much sick and tired of everything going up and up and services and amenities going down and down. If i lived in FL, i probably wouldn't be as concerned since MOST of my expense in getting to the fort is in driving. also, what type of vehicle are you using to get to the fort, what do you stay in? that affects what it costs to get there too. there are alot of factors that vary that people have to consider when vacationing there. it's not that anyone worries or loses sleep over this kind of stuff, you simply modify your vacation plans.

i was just thinking, maybe you will change your tune when the little one needs a ticket, lol. ;)

I don't believe he camps in anything of his, per se, I believe he shacks up with his parents when they go. 'Nuff said. This is a fact, based on his posts, not a personal attack.

Rhonda
07-29-2008, 05:17 PM
I think everyone needs to step away and take a breather. The economy is affecting everybody right now, and tensions get high quickly.

This topic is closed. Let's move on to something more pleasant. :)