OKW, Opinions

[Cosmic_Charlie]

I am thinking of styaing at OKW but several people have told me that, compared to the GF or Boardwalk Villas, OKW is a cesspool. Any opinions?

[Dean]

That's BS. True, the GF and BW are slightly, and I mean slightly, more upscale; OKW is a Deluxe resort in it's own right. Some like one resort over another but there are many, including myself, that far prefer OKW. The rooms are larger, it's laid back and you can park at your front door. I'd not do OKW without a car though. Good luck, I'm sure you'll get more feedback. OK Rich, go get him.

[ceejay13]

We took our last trip the end of February. The first night we splurged and paid cash for a one night stay at the GF, as it was our anniversary and had never stayed there before. Then we moved to a 1 bdr at OKW for the other 5 nights. I posted this same thing when we returned, but our room at OKW was MUCH nicer. Of course the GF resort is gorgeous and the room was very nice, but the 1 and 2 bdrs at OKW cannot even compare. We have not experienced the studios or GV. I don't even think we are biased as our home resort is the BWV. The OKW rooms really are like being "home". The full kitchen, huge jacuzzi, laundry facilities, and lets not forget the wonderful balconies off both the living room and bedroom, all make for a wonderfully relaxing vacation. I don't think you will be dissapointed in any way.

[ncligs]

I think you are going to open up a "can of worms" with this topic .:D. All of the resorts are "1st class", Each has its positives and negatives. We have stayed at all of them except VWL. We prefer OKW......but have no problem staying at any of them...;)
Let the debate .......I mean discussion;) begin..........

[rbuzzotta]

I LOVE my little "cesspool"!!! LOL!!

[Cosmic_Charlie]

didnt mean to offend anyone that likes OKW, I have never been there and it sounded cool but when I told him he laughed at me and gave me his opinion of OKW. Obviously the dude was wrong.

[sgtdisney]

I wouldn't call OKW a cess pool. It is as much a deluxe resort as the other two that you mention. They all have a different character and a different feel. It depends on what you are looking for. GF is very elegant and formal. Bear in mind there that you are getting a hotel room basically, in a luxury resort. BWV and OKW are similar in many ways and different in many others. OKW has larger rooms, but does not have the location of the BW. It is really up to you as to what you want, but remember that they are all top notch resorts. You shouldn't be disapointed in any of them.

[Richyams]

OKW is the finest resort on property. It has the largest rooms and you can even park in front of your unit.

BWV has a lot to be said for it in the name of convinience. You can walk in the door, hang up your coat, put your groceries down in the kitchen, put a snack out on the dining room table for the kids and even turn on the TV without taking a second step. You can actually even get by with just two dishes and a party of eight in the two bedroom. Since only two people can site at the dining room table at one time, you just rotate the plates and wash between eaters. I really like the fact that you can clean the whole kitchen and dining area with one paper towel.

You do pay a price though. The dues are 25% higher, the rooms are 25% smaller, and the points per night are 25-100% higher, this translates into paying 75% higher dues per sq ft per night.

[ncligs]

Rich,

That has to be one of your BEST!!!!!!!!!!!!:D :D

P.S. I hope you are not a Yankee fan, since you are from NY....:(

[Richyams]

I was always a Met fan. Back when the teams were relatively the same year after year and you could really get to know the players and their quirks, baseball was a great game to watch. Now that we have such a wild turnover in the rosters every year, its hard for me to really be interested in a team.

I was at opening day for the new Yankee stadium.

[lyndon1]

Wow. Someone calling OKW a cesspool would be like calling UPS a branch of the US Postal Service.

My family and I just returned from our first Disney vacation as DVC members and we happened to stay at Old Key West. We also invited our best friends to join us on vacation. Put them up in their own 1 bedroom in building 38 near the Turtle Pond bus stop and they had a blast. It was their first time to Disney and they commented that they now have a new annual vacation home.

All of us were made to feel at home during the entire 8 nights. Everything was just about perfect and we cannot imagine wanting to stay anywhere else for a extended vacation. Cannot wait for the 7 night western cruise in August just to get my Disney fix again.

The Girvins

[dougmatt]

I loved OKW.... Until I stayed there. Back in 99 we stayed there for 5 nights, and by the 3rd day I could barely walk. The beds were EXTREMELY hard (I sleep on a waterbed normally). I have never had trouble in any hotel (travel quite a bit), but we all (DW, DD, and DS) had back issues that trip. Each morning we woke up hardly refreshed and every night dreaded going back to the bed.

Has anyone else experienced this or was it just us? BTW VWL is my personal on-property FAV. Love the relaxation! Like camping, but with a 5 star resort nearby :). Very nice. Wish I owned points there.... :(

[Niagara2]

Fancy hotels are great and GF is one of the best but OKW is home!!! I go on vacation to relax and OKW is best for this IMHO! I get to stay in fancy hotels all the time for work and I rather be at OKW everytime.

[KNWVIKING]

..DW and I have had a waterbed for last 15 yrs. DW has the same problem you talked about but it never bothered me. But to be fair to OKW,the beds at BWV and VWL feel exactly the same to us. I imagine WDW gets all their mattress' from the same hardware store.

[SalandJeff]

We stayed at OKW before joining DVC. It's beautiful, just a different atmosphere than BWV or GF. More laid back and out of the way. We joined at BWV because that's the resort that was being sold at the time we joined, and we love it, but I wouldn't hesitate to stay at OKW again. I also like the fact that the two bedroom villas are really 2 bedrooms and not just a one bedroom & studio that are next to each other.

[DeeP]

Cosmic Charlie,
I can certainly understand why your friend spoke so highly of BWV. It is one of the best resorts on WDW property. It is in an excellent location, it is a deluxe resort with fantastic amenities that throughly spoil you and give you a thorough top notch vacation experience. You will have someone to park your car, carry your luggage and bring your meals to your room(if you so desire), while you sit on your balcony and enjoy the most beautiful scenery at WDW, Illumination fireworks and even parts of Fantasmic fireworks! BWV is located within walking distance to 2 parks and numerous wonderful restaurants and shops, it has a wonderfully themed pool with a water slide that most children love.
True, OKW does not have any of the deluxe resort amenitities that BWV & GF offer but they do have large rooms and you can park your own car outside of your unit, this is especially convenient for when you have to unload your luggage & groceries or are coming back to your unit with tired children. OKW is located in a remote location compared to the superior locations of BWV and GF but it is certainly NOT a cesspool!

[wdw4us2]

I personally hope more people read the first post and follow it -- then it will be easier for us to book OKW!:D Seriously, resorts are always a matter of opinion. Our opinion is definitely the same as Richyams when it comes to the OKW/BWV comparison. Once at BWV was enough for us! I can't comment about the Grand Floridian, it's the only resort we haven't stayed in yet. I have been there a few times, though, and I can't say the cesspool comparison is accurate.

Lisa

[nezy]

WOW!! I think calling OKW was a ploy to keep others from booking up OKW!!

Let's not try to convince everyone to stay at Old Key --it will only make it more difficult for those of us who love OKW and always stay ther even though their home resort is not OKW!
I have yet to stay at my HOME resort of BWV. We prefer OKW and even my children ages 7, 6, and 4 ask to stay at OKW.

I would not waste the extra points neede to stay at the GF and at the same time have to give up the conveniences and comforts of being HOME. Besides isn't being able to enjoy the amenities of the resorts a benefit of beign a DVC member? We always visit the GF, especially at night for the view of the Magic Kingdom and the Watr parade for example. We love it--but we are always happy to go back HOME to OKW.

Nezy

P.S. Yankees are to baseball what Mickey is to Walt Disney World!

Youngstown Ohio--would that be a Cleveland Indians territory? We'll see you in the playoffs!

[baileybrad]

anyone who would refer to the OKW resort as a "cesspool" even in a comparison with the GF is full of "cess". I would not be able to take this person's opinion seriously. I would take a 2 bedroom condo at any DVC resort over a couple of rooms at the GF any day.

[madcoco]

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Agree with you 100%The guy probably didn't even stay there.We have paid close to 1G/nite for 2 rooms at the GF and not putting down the GF.It is beautiful. We will take a 1 or 2BDR at OKW any day as well.

[Cris]

Well I guess I love my cesspool *home* :rolleyes: And Rich you had me laughing so hard!!!

[ncligs]

nezy,

Yes, we are Cleveland Indian fans ;) , but I have to admit the Yankees are the best team "MONEY" can buy!!!!!!!!!:D

[DaveH]

Cosmic_Charlie I am sitting here laughing at some people who do not understand OKW. I was one of them. We joined DVC last May. For our first trip home in Nov we were orignally not able to get our home VWL. We were concerned about OKW because it is the oldest of DVC resorts and my DW has allergies. I asked all kinds of questions here and DVCReg answered our questions. I took pics of the OKW studio and 1 bedroom which we stayed in both. All I can say is I will stay in that cesspool over alot of places I have been before. It is not a hotel. It reminds me of as a kid we use to rent a floor of homes at the New Jersey shore. Full kitchens and all in 1 and 2 bedrooms. So here are my pics of the cesspools. Just having fun with the name.;)

Studio size cesspool

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[KNWVIKING]

...Opinions are like Butts...... Everybody has one,but they usually both stink.

I'd hate to hear your buddies opinion of an All-Star resort, it must be down right pornographic.

[Granny]

DaveH.....awesome rebuttal to the cesspool allegation!

That ought to put this one to bed. :cool:

[Cosmic_Charlie]

Again, I am sorry, I didnt mean to offend anybody with this post. Its just that my associates and I are used to 5 star resorts with world class services. I just think that they were looking for something a little less homey. To them, it is not a world class property without concierge service etc. I thought the pictures made it look great. It remindes me of an apartment or Condo. You all have been VERY helpful as always. P.S. Its not a cesspool IMHO

Charlie :jester: :jester: :jester: :jester:

[madcoco]

http://www.grillsportverein.de/smilies/contrib/anym/hal.gif and KNWVIKINGhttp://www.theunholytrinity.org/cracks_smileys/contrib/blackeye/lol.gif That was great!

[AnnK]

Charlie,
You are exactly right about OKW. That is why we don't enjoy staying there either. It's not that it's bad, it's just that it's a do-it-yourself vacation. Park your own car, haul your own luggage, make your own coffee ( because the closest cup of coffee is a ten minute walk, in the elements, too much work for me. I enjoy staying at a hotel when I am away, I like BWV, because it gives me that extra space,large jacuzzi tub, but it's still a hotel. It is a 5 star resort.

[DaveH]

Charlie I never took it personal and did not mean it that way. Every since I have visited here there is a strong I like BWV versus I like OKW and it is old. I was having more fun at the whole thing is silly to me. If you want to be waited on hand and foot DVC is not right for them.

[AnnK]

"If you want to be waited on hand and foot DVC is not right for them."

Dave ,
Why do you feel that way? There is no reason that you cannot feel like you are being waited on hand and foot while staying at BWV, VWL and I would expect BCV. All are "hotel" atmosphere, all offer the usual full service amenties of the "Deluxe" resorts at Disney. It has been my experience that the very reasons I enjoy BWV are the reasons other's don't enjoy it, and that's just fine with me.

[DaveH]

Ann I am sorry I did not say it right. I think everyone should love where they go. I am tired of running down the other resorts that goes on here. I have stayed at OKW and VWL(my home) and I am looking forward on trying BWV. I am more tired of the tearing down of others. I see advantages to each resort over the others. Most of the differences seems to be location more than anything else.

[Peterd]

"OKW is the finest resort on property. It has the largest rooms and you can even park in front of your unit. "

Man what were you smoking when you wrote that?
MR. Hyms:
Of course we wouldn't deny you your opinion, even as ridiculous it may sound. Yes SOME feel Okw is better than the All-Stars, but not ALL of the moderate resorts. SOME feel It is better than the campgrounds, but not Wilderness lodge, SOME feel The Grand Floridian Blows it away, and you can't compare the Boardwalk and the Yacht and Beach club to Okw because they are completely different types of vacations. SOME feel that Okw is like a vistana type, out of the parks atmosphere, and the others are IN Disney. SOME feel, If you want to have a laid back, larger room, you can also stay at Vistana and the Orange Lake Country club, (which we prefer to Okw). YOU of all people should know by now, that size isn't everything! That's why the resorts outside of Disney, (like Okw, just kidding), don't advertise, "Hey, we have the largest rooms, we're better than the Disney resorts". People know.
Update for my Nov. trip, BW still sold out, okw wide open. I'm on a waiting list for a few more standard rooms.
SOME people believe what you do, it's their opinion, so it's right for them. Opinions are great, everyone has them, they're only right for them. Yours as funny as they come across are correct for YOU and Okw lovers, not everyone.

"You do pay a price though. The dues are 25% higher, the rooms are 25% smaller, and the points per night are 25-100% higher, this translates into paying 75% higher dues per sq ft per night"

You bring this up every month, some have said you have this either saved on your hard drive or tatooed on your body someplace. If someone has the time to actually come up with these type of figures I would think the person should say to themselves at least once in awhile, " Why did I actually take the time out of my life to do this math, why do I feel I have to tell People my timeshare is bigger than theirs, and finally
Do I have a Life?":D

[Richyams]

Are you saying its not true?

Or that my opinion isn't valid?

I get confused easily.....ever since the incident that I don't like to talk about....

[Dean]

Originally posted by Cosmic_Charlie
Again, I am sorry, I didnt mean to offend anybody with this post. Its just that my associates and I are used to 5 star resorts with world class services. I just think that they were looking for something a little less homey. To them, it is not a world class property without concierge service etc. I thought the pictures made it look great. It remindes me of an apartment or Condo. You all have been VERY helpful as always. P.S. Its not a cesspool IMHOIf you want the Ritz, better buy there. I can't think of any timeshare except maybe the Ritz that will meet the true 5* concierge, hotel expectations and that includes the Four Seasons, DVC, Marriott and Royals. You said it yourself, DVC, as are most timeshare are condos. They are designed to give more space, home type amenities and the like. Most do not offer daily maid service, many have no maid service at all, even if you're willing to pay extra. To me, the luxury a condo offers IS DIFFERENT but far outwieghs that of a concierge situation, at least for my family of 4. If the family size increases, the benefits increase as well. There are timeshares out there that offer more amenties than others including significant variation within DVC as well.

Actually, I didn't read your original note as you though OKW was bad, simply that others had told you it was and you wanted clarification.

[Peterd]

"Are you saying its not true?

Or that my opinion isn't valid?

I get confused easily.....ever since the incident that I don't like to talk about...."
Mr. hyms"
Do you know how many times you have actually posted this fine retort?
This is awesome! We're getting all the famous quotes of the DIS site in one night.
Was this tatooed on the OTHER arm?, and yes like people have told you before, ....your' opinion IS valid, even crazy people have opinions, and they should be validated too. Like I said earlier, my daughter says chuckie cheese is the best, the adults know to her it is, but to the adults, we know otherwise.

Is the Liberal quote next? or you don't feel like taking your pants down to check the tatoo on your leg?

[nezy]

Sounds like a cat fight!

Anyway, isn't that reason we all joined DVC, because there are alot of choices and opportunities to stay in both the "homey" type resort w/ full kitchens and washer dryers or you can opt to stay in a "concierge" type of setting.
There are so many possibilities and options with being a member.I could never compalin about any of the accomadations that we have ever experienced.

It sounds as if some people are getting spoiled or jaded and should try booking a reservation at some other location. I recently stayed at Radisson resorts in both Kissimmee and Palm Beach and found them to be very inconsistent. I was longing for any DVC!! It Was then that my husband said to me," You did just buy MORE points didn't you?-Thank God!"

I have also been very satisfied w/ any concierge collection hotels where we have stayed.

It is a matter of opinion and fortunately we have choices.

Hey Cleveland it is true. The Yankees have the money, but not everyone can make it in the " House that Ruth Built". It really is THE place for baseball, although there are many other great stadiums as well. Its a gret game!

[PKK/MJK]

Peterd

I know that many people don't appreciate Richyams straightforward language when he expresses his opinions, however I find your comment inferring that he is a crazy person, truly offensive!!! Just because he does not agree with your opinion, does not mean that he is crazy!! Hopefully, you did not mean that as a personal attack on Richyams!!

....your' opinion IS valid, even crazy people have opinions...

[Peterd]

PKK

"Just because he does not agree with your opinion, does not mean that he is crazy!!"

There are a lot of people that don't agree with my opinions on some things (wife sometimes, teenage son and daughters most of the time), and I don't think they're crazy. If you are a crazy person, I'm sorry I offended you.

My quote:
"Was this tatooed on the OTHER arm?, and yes like people have told you before, ....your' opinion IS valid, even crazy people have opinions, and they should be validated too."

Sorry, didn't mean to infur that he was crazy. To those crazy people out there, I'm sorry someone thought I lumped you in with Mr. Hms.
:D When I say crazy, I mean silly, funny, nutty, etc... Not insane, so don't read too much into it.

No personal attack here, but come on. How 'bout we ask the moderaters to post the famous quote every first of the month:

"You do pay a price though. The dues are 25% higher, the rooms are 25% smaller, and the points per night are 25-100% higher, this translates into paying 75% higher dues per sq ft per night"

I think if they did, we could help clear some space on some people's hard drives, and save precious space for more tatoos.

[TigrLvsPooh]

I just have a comment about some earlier posts....

I have stayed at the GF a couple of times... the only time you get 5 star service is when you stay in the main building. The outer buildings are a different story. We were in Sago Cay last October and we did NOT feel like we were in a luxury hotel at all. In fact, it wasn't much different than our stay at CBR. It took 30 minutes for someone from the front desk to even come to our room! If you're looking for luxury and 5 star accomodations, you'll feel much more "pampered" in the RPC. (Royal Palm Club - GF main building)

When you have kids, especially more than one, a villa is the way to go. :) At the GF, with our 2 kids, we felt like prisoners. We had to tip toe around the room, couldn't watch TV, and had to just stay in bed and whisper to each other. Not fun. There was nowhere to park our double stroller, and we were in one of the largest rooms (lodge tower). The DVC was designed for families... parents who would like to have some privacy... be able to watch TV, have a few drinks, talk, take a jacuzzi, etc., while the kids sleep soundly in the other bedroom. Also we want to be able to fix snacks, warm baby bottles, wash clothes, and other things that parents do. We don't give one crap about concierge... we just want to relax!!

Whoever said OKW was a "cesspool" probably wasn't traveling with kids. If I was still single, or childless, I'd probably stick with resorts like the GF... but they just don't work for our family now.

So, in summary, the GF is not that great for families of 4 or more, and OKW is definitely NOT a cesspool. :)

[TigrLvsPooh]

Sorry, didn't mean to infur that he was crazy. To those crazy people out there, I'm sorry someone thought I lumped you in with Mr. Hms.
When I say crazy, I mean silly, funny, nutty, etc... Not retarded, so don't read too much into it.


Sorry, I just had to post again. I take great offense to your use of the word "retarded" Peterd. Hopefully a moderator will edit or remove your post. Obviously you have very little education or class. My sister is mentally handicapped so this type of comment really upsets me.

[~Magical Princess~]

I can't believe it actually took 3 pages before the cat claws came out!!! Always makes for enjoyable saturday morning reading ....

RichYams ... LOVED the posts!! Absolutely LOVED em!!! :)

Bottom line: OKW rooms ARE bigger no matter WHAT anyone says - PERIOD! And as far as I'm concerned they are A LOT bigger! So true about the "one paper towel to clean the whole kitchen and dining room at BW or WL or BC etc.,!!! ;)

They are all fine resorts don't get me wrong - but to me that's another huge plus for OKW is parking your car in front of your unit instead of in a parking lot at the BW where you have to walk two miles to just reach the hotel and then we won't talk about the long walks to the room itself!!!

Hey to each his own - that's why I enjoy "renting" points as I absolutely hate the fact that you pay all this money, plus dues and you don't even get housekeeping! Now to me that is ridiculous - just ludicrous! I know when you have "regular" timeshares you don't get housekeeping either but comeon' -- this is DISNEY and I expect Disney to have a little higher standards, after all they don't mind charging an absolutely MUCH higher price than the normal timeshares ya know??

Anyway, let the bickerin' continue! I can see most people thrive on it!!! LOL ANd the truth is, it's not going to matter one way or another and hey - let's try and keep our secret of oKW being the best so it doesn't start bookin up like crazy!!! :)

[RweTHEREyet]

to kmviking

Opinions are like Butts...... Everybody has one, but they usually both stink.

My hubby says you have just cleared it up for this family, that he has not been farting all these years, just expressing his opinion.

:)

We have all apologized for giving him so much grief and will try and be more tolerant. Thank for for this assessment.

[Peterd]

Sorry if I offended, I moderated the "bad" word myself. I can't keep up with which words you're not allowed to say anymore. I'll write that one down so I remember. As for lack of class, ouch! Saying a word thats not politically correct because I missed the last meeting on which ones we're no longer allowed to say, shouldn't make me classless. I'll have my kids proof read my next posts .Sorry again.

[DeeP]

Cosmic Charlie,
If you want a 5 star resort then BWV is definitley what you are looking for. BWV has fantastic amenities, you will feel spoiled and pampered to the fullest.
You are correct OKW is a condo resort with no amenities. But it is a fact that they have large rooms and you can park at your door. Once you have parked your own car and you get yourself and all your luggage & groceries that you have carried yourself into the large room, then you are on your own. You will certainlly not be bothered by anyone such as room service, valet parking, luggage services, you will not have to deal with the horrors of restaurants, counter service stands, clubs, shops and entertainment right outside your door. You also will not have to endure those pesky parks that are within walking distance from your villa and you will not have to put up with a themed pool and the sounds of happy children using the pool slide or the horrible sights and sounds of Illuminations fireworks, boardwalk midway games or those awful tourists strolling the boardwalk. You will have to put up with watching golfers though if you decide to sit on your spacious balcony and in the morning, if you are lucky, you can even watch them clean/prep the sand traps! Also don't forget extra rolls of paper towels that you will need to clean your large kitchen, you can get these from housekeeping but with such a large unit you might want to have extras on hand!

[AnnK]

Dave,
"I think everyone should love where they go. I am tired of running down the other resorts that goes on here. "

Agreed!!


Magical Princess,
Since you "rent" points I would think you would be able to pay for the daily maid service, or you can take the extra paper towels, as per DeeP"s suggestion,( thanks DeeP),and spend the EXTRA time cleaning your LARGER rooms. Disney does in fact have high standards, it's just that many members don't care to have daily housekeeping and don't want to pay for something that isn't necessary. I do like the service, I am willing to pay for it, and don't resent other members NOT paying higher dues just for me. I am happy that I have the option to have the daily cleanings.

DeeP
Nice Post;)

[sjjdbatch]

OK a newcomer to break up the discussion... We have a 1 bedroom at OKW in June for 5 days then to ASMO(the kids will love it) for 2 days. Do we really need a car at OKW??????
We plan on taking a cab for any special dinner outings, but will be at the parks each am, back to rest, then out again each pm. Advice greatly needed and much appreciated 2 boys 4 & 5 with us!:Pinkbounc

[WebmasterDoc]

We always enjoy using the bus transportation when at OKW (or any other resort for that matter). It can take a little adjustment to figure out a practical schedule (ask any bus driver- they are always happy to assist) for each park, but the buses do work well. We think of them as just another attraction- usually with a much shorter wait then those in the parks! ;)

Have a great stay at OKW!

Enjoy!

[WebmasterDoc]

Its just that my associates and I are used to 5 star resorts with world class services. I just think that they were looking for something a little less homey. To them, it is not a world class property without concierge service etc.

If your friend's definition of world class is concierge service, then none of the DVC resorts will satisfy them, as none offer concierge.

As for the "homey" feel, all of the DVC villas are essentially the same layout as the pictures you saw of OKW. They each have different decor and sizes vary a little, but all have kitchens and washer/dryers and the amenities seen in the photo. That's why Disney classes all of the DVC resorts as "Home Away From Home".

All onsite DVC resorts besides OKW have interior hallways, but even OKW offers Bell Service for those unable to carry luggage to their room. That service is NOT exclusive to the other resorts.

None of the DVC resorts have a restaurant inside the hotel. You must go outside in order to enter a restaurant, but BWV and VWL do offer room service.

I hope you find your stay enjoyable, wherever you decide to go! There are no bad options, just different! ;)

Enjoy!

[trishy]

We bought into BWV and stayed there last July (going again this June). We love BWV. It's where the party is. The rooms are great, the property is great. We love it. However, we stayed at OKW in December for the first time and loved it there too. The rooms were very nice, the property very nice (more walking though - the internal buses are few and far between) We felt the biggest difference was the atmosphere. OKW was very laid back and relaxing. At BWV, there's more to do - but it's louder. I would never consider OKW a cesspool, though. The property is lovely. My kids really enjoyed the pool area, too. GF is just not an option for us - this family of 5 likes the spacious rooms of the Home away from Home resorts. It was a beautiful place to visit, though.